2025 FFPC Pros Vs. Joes Red Hot Chili Peppers Division #3 Live Draft Coverage

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What team is gonna put all others on tilt this evening?
Where will Brandon I You get selected? And will value
be nonexistent in tonight's selection process? Follow along with the
live draft board, watch our pick by pick analysis as
we call the action from the twenty twenty five f
FPC Pros Versus Joe's Red Hot Chili Pepper's Division number

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three to see who's goin gonna win a twenty twenty
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host Tonight, Ladies and gentlemen, the Man, the Myth, the Legend,
the turp. He is Dave Tripoli. Dave, Welcome in man.

(02:51):
How you doing.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm doing well. Just got done a jaff with JD.
We get a little bestball all stream. This should be
coming up here soon. Definitely, definitely was fund. We had
a great draft. It went really really well, so excited
to get this started and see if this is any
different than last night.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
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We have tonight from the one spot Mike Shop. I'll
just bring this up right now, sir, and bring up
the draft boards so everybody can see it. Mike Shop
and Adam Krautwurz from the d Ben Fantasy Football Podcast
drafted Jamar Chase number one. Tonight, the Miscelli tandem Drew
and Josh Miscelli drafting number two. They go Brock Bauers
first tight end off the board at the one o two.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Tonight.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
John Dagel from Established the mun goes b John Robinson
at the one o three. John Zeleski hitting cleanup Tonight
he drafts Jamiir Gibbs at the one oh four. Saquon
Barkley goes to Fantasy and Frames and Player Profiler Stacey Perez.
She gets Barkley there, Jefferson and Lamb respectively to Rob Vieira,
one of the more successful FFPC Joe's around. I've done

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a ton of shows them. Very knowledgeable guy and an
excellent pickleball player as well on pickleball coach. Interesting, yes,
very interesting. Ceede. Lamb goes to Fantasy Lives Dwayne McFarlane
at the one oh seven. Ashton Genty goes to Don Barani,
Nick Costantino, and Shawn Stutsman. Tonight, the go Bills former
FFPC Main Event back to back champs. They go with
Genty at the one aweight Malik Neighbors to the Stealing

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bananas guy. That's guys, excuse me, that's Sean Siegel from
row is Ben Gretch from Stealing Signals. And then you
have the Hooks that is Ben and Randall hook FFPC.
Joe's that draft Trey McBride at the one ten Christian
McCaffrey to Matt Schlf That is Mattchelf from Draft sharks
dot Com, one of the more successful pros. I'll bring
up the leaderboard here in a second with what we

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have all time for the pros versus Joe's. But I
think Matt's like top fifteen all time, He's right up there.
And then a mon ros Saint Brown to Dana Motto
at the one twelve, the final Joe for the evening.
So number one Sean Green wants to note, TERP, what
jersey is?

Speaker 5 (05:33):
That?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Is that DeShawn Jackson that you're rocking tonight.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's a specialty jersey. Why thirteen years ago? Sad story,
but my mom passed away. She was a diehard Eagles fan,
so her name the nickname that we caught her as
on the back here, it's just the number thirteen, which
was her birthday.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Ah got it, got it so cut that you can't
even get this anywhere. Don't even try.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's like the can't people think it's Nelson Aguilar and
it's not Nelson Aguilar, so please don't put that in
your brain. Is not Nelson Aguila.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
So we're we're through the first round tonight, turp I
wanted to bring this up. Darren Rmani posted this on
X earlier this afternoon. He thought that this was the
most talented group of Joe's in this year's In this
year's contest, you have the Miscelis, who obviously uh play
a lot of the higher stakes leagues, the fives five
K leagues out at the Vegas Live events at Paris Casino.

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John Zeleski, who's been in this I believe he's been
in pros versus Joe's before. He's another really good best
ball player. I already told you about. Rob Vieira, Constantino,
Stuftsman and Baranyi are.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
The only they're not they're definitely not Joe's.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, only ones ever to do it. And then you
have the hooks with Ben and Randall, and then Dana
Motto who's a very accomplished player as well. This is
I mean, like, I think the pros already understand, they
know what they're getting in for, and it's not gonna
be easy. But like I'm not trying to be hyperbolic,
this is a really from top to bottom. All six
of these Joe's teams super talented.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
One hundred percent. This is extremely tough draft. Looking at
all the things when they came out, I definitely picked
this one as just murderers row. I mean, there's no
easy spots in here where you're getting any value. This
is pretty much go get your guy type of thing
and then just hope it works out.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Turp, what do you? Let's talk about the first round here,
brock Bauers at the one oh two. This is earlier
than he normally goes. Again, for anybody who's watching this,
this is a tight end premium format, so tight ends
go a little bit earlier. There's no kickers, no defenses,
best ball, so it's set it and forget it. The
lineup will be one quarterback, two running backs, two receivers,
a tight end, and two flexes. So you could start
up to three tight ends, and again you don't start them.

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This is what the what the scoring system automatically decides
after the week is over for optimized lineups. But what
do you make of brock Bowers at the one oh
two over guys like Robinson, Gibbs, Barkley at Jefferson and Lamb.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's not for me. I'm definitely taking Robinson, you know, Gibbs, Barkley, Jefferson,
Lamb and maybe maybe McCaffrey over over Bowers. I'm not
going to sit here and say I won't have some
of ours, but not that high. I just feel like
that's a little bit of a reach overall compared to
some of the guys just went directly after him, Like,
there's no way I'm taking Bowers, Verijon Robinson.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
You know, the people think there's a big drop off
a tight end this year after the top three, and
there is based off you know, a lot of things
that are out there when it comes to andrews Kelsey, Laporta, Hockinson,
guys like that they're not as sexy as the top three.
But I just feel like, you know, Jefferson, Lamb, Robinson, Gibbs, Barkley,
you know, and a couple other guys. I probably would
take over Bowers because I don't think the advantage is

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there as much as people think there is, and I
really just believe that the running backs there, especially when
you're picking at the beginning. I feel like if you
could secure Robinson a Gibbs a Barkley type of start,
it gives you so much roster flexibility going through the
next couple of rounds that you know, if Kittle comes
back to you, kit'll make sense. And if Kittle doesn't
make that you literally can just pound receiver and running

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back for a while and still have you know, solid
tight end options, especially in the best ball format.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
You know, we got Bradley le Salvia chiming in on
YouTube right now. While to see Boers moving up like
he is. Love to see that people are buying into
him on paper. He has the potential to keep bawling
out and I think that that's a great point. He
obviously could. I think about how close he and McBride
were last year. Uh, Turp and McBride just could not
find the the worst.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Runout in the world, the worst I mean when it
comes to Trey McBride. You can't for as good as
season as he had, because he had great season. You
had a couple more touchdowns in here, and you're talking
about Trey McBride going next to Jamar Chies. People are
you know, is there really a difference between both. I
don't think so. I will take the cheaper guy in
any way downgrading Bowers his talent or any of that stuff.

(09:44):
I'm just you know, based off roster construction and all
that stuff. I feel like taking Bowers there just kind
of puts you a little bit behind the eight ball.
I mean, it worked out for him because aj Brown
fell in the second round, so that just like you know,
you know, gets things a little you know, going a
little bit more. But Jay Brown usually doesn't fall to
that spot, so you know, it usually won't work out
like that, and you're gonna looking at guys that maybe

(10:07):
don't excite you as much.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Turp. I want to bring on our the third part
of our trio here tonight. He is the definitive commissioner
in fantasy football.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
You can't wait to.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Hear wisely, they cannot wait why Wisely?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
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is the incomparable Farrell Elliott and he joins us tonight, Farrel,
good Tuesday evening to you. How you doing, my friends, gentlemen,
I apologize, I am sorry, I am late ter, especially
when you know Bunky and I becomes old hat we're
a duo.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Then he understands the flow of some of my poor attendants.
You know, my my schedule was thwarted by an amorous
cocktail waitress at a happy hour.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
But I have it happens everywhere. It happens every once
in a while. She probably saw your hair.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I have moved on, and then of course I've had
I've had a lot of sock work to do.

Speaker 6 (10:58):
Uh second place, second place people are depending. I'm working
on a lot of socks. I've got socks here, Farrell.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'll tell you that I had a meeting, an f
FPC meeting today and unprompted, FFPC co founder Alex Kaganofsky
brought it up because he was watching one of the streams.
He thinks the socks for second place are an excellent idea.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
It's all extens its excellent that I have had one
moment of shared greatness in my life, and I will
strive to share the next one.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
So speaking of shared greatness, what about John Daegel here,
this is, this is the buzz in the in the
chat room right now with what he did in the
second round. He gets Bijon Robinson obviously at at the
at the one o three tonight, but then he goes
and gets Amari and Hampton tonight at the two ten
Omari and Hampton's ADP and the f FPC Bestball Tournament,

(11:54):
which by the way, you can register for now at
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FFPC dot com. The ADP and that for Hampton is
all the way down at running back fifteen at the
four oh two. Dagel says, screw that, I'm taking him

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as running back nine at the two oh two two
full rounds earlier, Pharrell, this is a guy who is
getting his guys.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
In John Dagele tonight, he punched the wrong player, and
you know, we all make mistakes, swimmers sometimes working so
that's exactly what he did. He punched the wrong player. Interp.
I joined Turp, and I'm listening to Interp. Everything you
said about the other tight ends and correct. Everything you
said about brock Bauers is wrong. Brock Bauers should continue
to shoot up the boards because brock Bauers and I've

(12:45):
had some some I want to give you a number.
I've had four NFL players tell me, unrelated and across
different spectrums of activity, that brock Bauers is the best
football player they've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I love Black brock Bower.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yeah, well I love him too. I won't draft him
at one, but I love him at two. And anyone
that is in business with brock Bauers is in business
with a difference maker. But everything else you said about
those other tight ends that are going to catch fifty
or sixty passes are correct. That's a classic case of overpaying.
And you know what, it guarantees that you get talked
about by Bulky and that's something that's very valuable, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I just I'll put a put a bow on the
Bowers versus McBride conversation.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Is that any different than putting a pin in it?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, well, technically I'll be putting a pin in it
because I feel like this is not the last conversation
we're gonna have about Bowers.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
US won't get this year.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I'll just say this, guys, it may just come down
to if you're drafting in the top four or top five,
you're gonna take Bowers if you want to take an
early round tight end. If you're drafting in the back
half of the first round and you want to take
an early round tight end, then mcride makes the most
sense there, unless you want to try for Kittle on
the way back too. The other thing you do is
if you're in the top five spots, technically you could
skip Bowers and then try to get George Kittle in

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the second or third.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
That could happen. But he's been moving. He's been moving.
I mean, he doesn't make it. If you're in the
top five in this draft, he doesn't make it back
like that's true.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, that's true. He did not tonight. He did not tonight,
So you are he's definitely.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
He's definitely a guy that I feel like, you know,
if Jennings has some holdout issues, if Pearsall is not
one hundred percent, I haven't feeling the Kittle by the
time we drafted at Paris in Vegas, I got a
feeling that Kittle can continue to move up because like
lad McConkie Thomas. I'm not saying they're stale right now,
but like they're not like the names that are getting
moved up draft boards right now.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
What do you think Kittle so much in his performance
this year? I am willing to learn and listen.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't really have that much George Kittle personally. I
like the receivers that are being drafted around this range
over him. I'm more of a weight on wait a
little bit down the road tight That was.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Not the question. The question was what do you love
about George Kittle to make me I like him?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
He's probably my favorite football player than yeah Non Eagle.
I mean, the guy is an absolute warrior play.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, he was a warrior, but he is not a
He's not.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Blocks too much. Injuries are a question, but I mean
you can paint the picture that he's tight end won
this year.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
We have some of the now we have some of
the greatest forty nine er fans ever in the history
of football. In one Drew Masselli participating Where's it, Where's
Drew drafting bookan.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Sean Green where he took powers in the two spots,
so he was the Bowery.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Well see, I didn't even know that. And and but
when we examined the forty nine ers and we look
at what happened last year, it was great between the twenties,
and it was terrible in the red zone, even with Kittle.
It's a situation. I mean, even the kicker, God forbid,
he gets outside forty yards, he misses everything. This is
not the same team it was. Is Kittle going to

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lead this team? And who else is going to bring
them back? Who else is going to bring them back?
For the kind of of five is that we need
to have out of all that fantasy value that exists
in the forty nine er lineup, I think all of
it is a bit overpriced. Sadly, I have to say
the same thing about Kittle. Turp am I ridiculously wrong.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I don't have that much Kittle early on. I'm not.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
What I want to know is if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't think you're wrong at all. I mean, I'll
click the button. I'm not afraid to click the button
because I do see the path where he gets there.
But I won't click the button over some of these
receivers and probably like a player like definitely not ever
eteen and definitely probably not ever Bucky Airby.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Guys, I want to I want to add some flavor
from John Dagel on his x account and he posted
this about five hours before he drafted Omari and Hampton
at the two UH at the two ten tonight. This
is from John Dagel at Nacha Dagel on X Omari
and Hampton is inevitably going to Skyrocket and ADP after
Jim Harbaugh stated to day he doesn't know if Nag

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Harris will be back for training camp. This is interesting,
Uh that that that Harbaugh said this today, and I
think we see the reason why Dangel goes and grabs
his guy in hand. He could be right, And honestly,
when people see this watching the stream say wow, Dangel
took Hampton at the two ten tonight. Dagel could be

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partially responsible for USPIKE an ADP in the f f
PC with l Mari and Hampton, Dagel and and UH
and obviously Jim Harbaugh as well. So I think that's
we're connecting the dots here and finding out what happened,
uh with with that selection tonight. Let's let's go back, guys.
I want to go back to that Brian Thomas pick.
I think it was Scott Hoyt in the f f

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PC YouTube chat said that was good value for the
Go Bills guys, getting Brian Thomas to pair with Ashton
Genty there tonight. Brian Thomas normally goes at the two
oh four, so it's slightly below a d p Uh,
But turp, what do you make of Brian Thomas now
contending for targets in that Jacksonville offense? Although Liam Cohen
will be the OC there this year? What do you

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make of him contending for targets with Travis Hunter, the
guy that they gave up a boatload for to trade
up to draft in this year's NFL draft.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
It's definitely a little bit of a worry. But I
love Brian Thomas. I mean, Coachery came out, you know,
saying a lot of positive things, how the offense is
gonna run through him. I believe that, you know, I
know they traded a bunch of Travis Huner, but there's
so much unknown with Travis Hunter right now, Like, do
I ever see him being the outfit in that offense.
I don't Bryan Thomas is that guy. You know obviously,
you know you have a little bit of a worry

(18:33):
about injury risk with Brian Thomas, But I don't worry
about that stuff. The talent's there. He's one of my
I probably would draft Brian Thomas right after Ceedee Lamb personally,
that's how much I like him. I love that offense.
I love Trevor Lawrence. I've been very outspoken on Trevor
Lawrence this offseason. I really think the Jaguars take that
next step, you know, where Lawrence really gets to that
potential that most people thought he was gonna have when

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he came out Liam Cohen, I thought it was a
slam dunk higher. You do worry, you know, you've seen
it all over you know where these guys get hired
after big years as offensive coordinators and they fall flat.
So it's definitely in the range of possibilities where it's
a possibility, but I don't.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
See it Lawrence. With Lawrence is if not now, when
and you've you've got it.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
If it's not. If it's not now, I mean, he
has tons of weapons and when it comes to you know,
a young running back in two and Etn is still there.
You know Brown, they just brought in, obviously, Travis Hunter, Obviously,
Brian Thomas Strange is a solid tight end. You know,
the Jaguars have plenty of weapons to get there. And
it all starts with Trevor Lawrence and it is going.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
To turn that back. Maybe it's got to be twenty
twenty two again.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
If it's not now for Trevor Lawrence, he's probably on
his way out and he might get another year, but
that's probably it.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
When it comes to Oh my god, if he changed
locations and went somewhere else and blossomed into what he
could be, wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
That be a I mean, anything's possible. I mean, Baker
Mayfield different, different type of situation, but I mean, look
how it worked out for him in Tampa Bay. It did.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Look it did work out nicely. Hey, Donky, have you
talked about my girl Stacey Perez tonight?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I was just about to because Steph Miller chimed in
on her spot getting t Higgins at three oh five.
I thought that was nice value too. Higgins is kind
of a conundrum because we know when he's at his best,
he could be the best number two wide receiver in
the league. Obviously, Jamar Chase is the number one there

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in Sincy, but we know he's gonna miss games too.
What's crazy is he missed games last year and he
still was like a top twenty five receiver. He missed
like four or five games, which is crazy. And I
like what Stacy did here too, Like you're you're talking
about winning first place, You're talking about winning you know, Listen,
we could all use a pair of socks, obviously, but
she's getting her guys here and to get T Higgins.

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And I don't even know if Stacy likes T Higgins.
I shouldn't say that, but I know that that she
recognizes the upside of Higgins here, so getting him at
the three oh five tonight represents a huge boon and
trying to win first place. So I like that pick
for sure. What do you make the rest of her
team with Barkley in London and she's about to be on.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
The clock, Farrell, That's what I would have done early
with Barkley. I would have pulled the trigger there. Turt
probably wouldn't, but I would. And we had commentators last
night that came in that were drafting, and one of
the gentlemen said that he viewed Drake London as some
of the best talent in the league and for this draft.
And if you're ever gonna you know, he's in the
Trevor Lawrence turt rule. If you have not now win,

(21:25):
you know. She cut her teeth. Her first high stakes
fantasy football event was when she came to the KFFSC
in Cincinnati. And you know, for full disclosure, Stacey somewhere.
I mean, you know, we're related to my mother's niece
and a great need I don't know, but she's a
lovely person, and she's a talented person, and she's run

(21:45):
with this sh She's run with this fantasy football hobby
as quickly and as far as a girl can. And
I'll be damned, she just stacked it up. I'm liking
it more all the time.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, Joe burn On the fourth to go with t
Higgins here. To be interesting to see what she does.
She could get a I mean, obviously it's not gonna
get Chaser or Chase Brown, but it'd be interesting to
see what she does with a certain tight end or
maybe another receiver here later on in the draft that
really get that Bengal Stack.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Going, Hey, Terr Rubio came in with something and Rubio says,
Trevor Lawrence is a coach killer. I think the coach
is Trevor's, right, I believe before the Trevor Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's it's definitely, you know, Trevor Lawrence like this year
is like so so important for the rest of his
career because the talent's there. That they did everything possible
to get Travis Hunter, and they traded probably too much
to get him. Brian Thomas coming off a big time
year pretty much without Trevor Lawrence playing. I mean, he
doesn't have any more excuses built in anymore. Those are
those are done. So I think Trevor Lawrence is a

(22:46):
great pick this year. But it's it's possible if he
doesn't figure it out above you know, the brain cells,
if it all them click talents there, it's just Kenny
Kenny figure out the rest of the game. And that's
where the question, that's the same question I have with
Caleb Williams, same time situation.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
This guy I must be the Trevor Lawrence fan in
in this in this show tonight because last year he
gets hurt. But the two years before that, he threw
for twenty plus touchdowns, which crand isn't awesome, but it
was four thousand yards both those years. And he gets
Liam Cohen this year. I if you look at and
I don't have this in front of me, and you
guys are gonna call me out and say, Bulk, you're

(23:22):
making this up. I'm not making this up. You would
be surprised how often he finished as a top twelve
quarterback in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. I
don't twenty twenty one obviously, that was I believe that
was his rookie year, right, and uh, and he was
not good.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Then you're on a hundred percent, right. I love Trevor
Lawrence this year. He's one of my highest quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Okay, So that's my pointterp is like I feel like this,
this belief that he's not been good is is because
we view number one overall picks as having this higher
bar to get over and Lawrence has not been able
to ascend to that bar. Well, now you're talking about
like because people believe that, and myself included over the
past couple of years. This year not so quarterback eighteen guys,

(24:03):
he is the eighteenth quarterback going right now. I just
feel like fantastic value for him. Herbert May, McCarthy, goff
are all going in front of him. He's just ahead
of Love, He's just ahead of Stroud. I'm a fan
of Lawrence this year, and I think he gets it.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
You can't go wrong at eighteen. Bonkey, do you think
that it's a bit out of character and a bit
off of center? The URF is so agreeable this year
because it last night he wore some sort of piece
neck sweatshirt and you know, he's very, very agreeable.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
And that's not always true. I might be agreeable on this,
but I was just on a stream with j D
drafted a Beastball draft, and I said on the stream
that the team that picked directly next to us was
the worst basketball team I ever seen drafted. When that airs,
that guy is probably gonna see it and be like.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
You know, they're going to say, you pay for me.
But in reality, they played.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Your final war with Keon Coleman as your wide receiver.
To hey, maybe you know more than the rest of
the world, but.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
How many besides after Coleman, URP, how many receivers did
that guy drive I.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Don't think he took another one to like the thirteenth
or fourteenth round, so you can picture some of the
drek he was putting together. It was, it was. It
helped us because we were picking two.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
But it was the first running back in the fifth
round for team too.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, we got the Miscellies, Drew and Josh Miscelli. Right now,
skip running back until the fifth round where they get
Chewba Hubbard to go with Lamar Jackson, brock Bauers, A J.
Brown and Terry McLaurin Pharaoh. What do you make about
Terry McLaurin not reporting today? Is this a non story?
They're going to figure it out?

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Please get it done? And yes, I hope so. And
that's that's a general manager that's got to deliver that deal.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
So this this has to happen. It needs to happen soon.
You got to figure it out. I mean, they have
a quarterback that's free right now. I mean you gotta
do it everything possible to get as many weapons around
him as possible.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Maybe it's more about language than money. I don't know.
I said I was gonna make some phone calls, like
I didn't get a chance to. I'll make more phone calls,
and we'll have more of an answer next week. But
by then it's probably not to be a non story
because you probably.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Already real quick before. We keep going so far through
five rounds, and I've looked at all the drafts that
we've done so far, there's one team here that I
think is clear cut above any team that's been drafted
so far through five rounds, oh of any of any
of the pros versus Joe so far, I really, really,
you know, a great value that fell to him all

(26:36):
things considered, based off where he's going, and just an
overall well drafted team so far.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
A lot of draft left well, didn't spill it.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Team one, the Boys, the defense, Yeah, Marvin Harrison far
up falling where he fell. You know, Tech McMillan has
been going consistently. We just took him in the fourth
round three hours ago, so he's starting to move up
the draft boards to get him where he fell. I
don't know how you could say anything now neative about
Team one so far. I mean Gary Wilson, who should
get nine thousand targets, and Jonathan Taylor with Daniel Jones,

(27:06):
you know, and obviously Jamar Chase I love their start.
I mean, obviously, you know they're friends of mine, so
I'm a little biased, but it's really really hard to
have to love what they've done so far.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Marvin Harrison goes normally at the three twelve in the FFPC.
I mean, it is a full round of value. We had,
we had. Steph Miller already chime in that that was
a nice turn for Mike Chop and Adam Krauhorz there,
Chase Wilson, Harrison, McMillan, JT is the running back there.
We'll see what happens and how they build it going forward. Guys,
I want to bring us back. I know we're in

(27:38):
the fifth round. I'm gonna go back to the fourth
round here real quick, parallel. I'll pitch this to you
and Turp, I want you to weigh in on this.
The Achievers posted on YouTube that they were surprised that
Ben Gretch and Sean Siegel the stealing Bananas guys drafting
from the nine hole tonight. They're surprised that they did
not take Xavier Worthy. And I know Sean is a
big Xavier Worthy fan and they eschew him. They let

(28:02):
him go to the go Bills guys, and they take JSN.
Steph Miller said, if JSN wasn't there, Worthy would have
been the pick, at least for her pharaoh. What would
you have done faced with a JSN versus Exavier Worthy
conundrum here tonight like the stealing bananas guys were at
four oh four.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision. Yeah,
and you know next week they would do it differently,
and I understand the choice. And let's see how they
build the team. It looks like we're it looks like
we're stacking up some Seattle's like that this format. So yeah,

(28:44):
there's nothing there's certainly nothing wrong with that pickover Worthy.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Worthy might be a little more exciting to watch, Yes,
and that's my point too, well, not my point, but
I think that goes with what I'm about to say here, Turp.
I think with the return of Rockie Rice and I
think it was Scott Hoyt was asking us to to
weigh in on how long the suspension is going to be.
I really have no idea.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
I don't know what the the crystal ball. I've got
a crystal over there, so I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Know what's going to happen. But I do know for
the majority of the season, as long as Rice is healthy,
he's gonna be playing for Kansas City. I'm worried that
Xavier Worthy goes back to a traditional uh lidlifter UH.
He joins Hollywood Brown as the field flippers with Rashie
Rice and Travis Kelcey taking care of the possession stuff
in the first ten yards past the line of scrimmage.
And if that's the case, I don't know if I

(29:34):
would take him when I have a guy in Smith
and Jigba who crushed it last year. Granted with Ryan
Grubb who they got rid of because he passed too much,
you know, they want to run more this year. I
still think Smith and Jigba is going to be a
huge focus of that offense. So I would still go
JSN over Xavier Worthy there if that's the choice for me. Terp,
you want to make it a clean sweep? Is that
how you would do it as well?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah? Slightly, though I don't think it's it's easily like
an easy pick. I think I would take both of
them and be happy about it. Slightly towards JSN just
because he's pretty much the only guy there. And yeah,
they are going to run the ball up, but they're
not a good team. I don't trust Sam Darnold, so
at the end of the day, I feel like the
coaching staff smart enough to figure out a way to
get JSM the ball all over the field. Hopefully that's

(30:17):
out of the slot. I've heard some rumors of him
moving outside a little bit, and people think that's that
could work out for him. But the guy in the slot,
that's where he's the best at. I know Cooper cups.
There is kind of you know, money everything up but
it's JSM. But it's not anything convincingly. I'm a Worthy fan.
I think that Andy Reid's smart enough to realize that
he is an extremely talented player and he's going to

(30:37):
get him the ball as much as possible, especially if
Rice misses four games, you know, even if it's two games,
whatever it is. I feel like Worthy last year was
just a rookie. He didn't really know everything. He's more of,
like you said, like a field stretcher type of thing.
I don't think it's going to be the same player
this year. I feel like he's going to take the
next step as a wide receiver and really, really really
could take off, but it's still jsm by a little

(30:58):
bit for me, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Uh. And Sean Green posted on YouTube tonight, of course,
Sean Green a guy who was in this competition last year.
He says, I want to believe Kansas City actually takes
the top off this season. Didn't? Wasn't it? Was it
Worthy or Rice or somebody said, maybe there is actually Hollywood.
Brown said that Andy Reid told him get your hamstrings
ready because they want to throw the ball down the

(31:20):
field this year, and they're going to have two guys
who are healthy right now to be able to do
that as well. And the healthy quarterback and a healthy quarterback. Now,
how how he's kept up right along that line? I know,
were you talking about this with me? With Josh Simmons,
the left tackle that they drafted that's going to help.
They did trade Toney to the Bears, so we'll see
what happens there. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I forget the running game, that's extremely questionable. I mean,
there's a bunch of guys nobody really knows who's going
to be the guy that Jecko's being drafted as the guy.
Hed Smith is the sexy name. You got Mitchell there,
you got Kareem Hunt there. You know, there's a lot
of questions the running back position. But my thing is
always the fear with the Chiefs is if they open
it up, all these guys are just gonna be smash

(32:03):
ridiculous values.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
As a good question, how'd k C get better?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
They got healthy, They got healthy, and also they always
have the plan to figure it out. It always works
out for them doing what they do. They don't have
to open it up. We all want them to open
it up. Why would they change what they're doing. They're always,
you know, almost a super Bowl team every year, so
why would they start opening up and throwing the ball
around the field when they don't have to.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Somebody said that about Philadelphia's running game.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
You know, Tom Brady for years in New England would
just live on this intermediate stuff and he never really
had to throw down field. So it can be done.
And you know, I'm not comparing Tom Brady to Patrick
Mahomes here, but plenty of other people are, so I'll
just leave it at that. Guys, Rubio and I can't
remember who the other. I think when Sean Green said that, Terp,
you end up liking these receiver heavy squads, do you

(32:56):
feel like you have a blind spot with that, where
like anybody who's drafting early receivers, you tend to like
those squads early.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yes, I mean, I just really like the structure of
certain teams when they have like these top notch receivers.
Because yeah, there's some receivers that you know, I like
and everybody else likes in these seventh day, ninth rounds.
But I feel like that's a better place, a better
pocket where you could pick up running backs. You know,
guys like you know RJ. Harvey, who's falling. You know,
there's a bunch of other guys they're going to come

(33:24):
off a board here, like the Traveon Hendersons of the world,
the Hubbards of the world. I love those picks. You know,
they all make a ton of sense, you know, based
off structures. But you know, when it comes to the structures,
I love. You know, receivers are especially early ones because
all those guys that he picked are all clear cut
number ones on their team. You know, Trading Bride's there.
I get it, I get it, I get all that,
But Marvin Harrison should get a ton more. Look, I mean,

(33:48):
Kyler Murray is the question.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Can you have just been in love with that Marvin Harrison,
and I think you should be taking it way too
far out there. You've got to cat you.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I won't quit it.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
I will Who asked the question about Turp and the
receivers Sean Green, and Green should know because you know
he's a confident of everyone here.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Really, the reason that you like the receiver teams, Turp
is that you were made for Kentucky rules. You just
refuse to embrace your destiny. And that's the problem with
you that you've got to work out on your own
sometime this decade. But that's why you like all the
yellow on the board.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
You're a little I can't respond. I can't respond to that.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
You have been exposed discovered.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
And I usually have always had something to say back.
I have nothing to.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Uh tetero. At McMillan, Sean wants to know what what
kind of numbers were predicting for him this year. McMillan
was the five oh one pick for for the deep
end guys who are coming back on the clock here shortly.
What do you project for him? Year one in the
NFL with a guy in Bryce Young throwing to him,
who really came into his own at the in the
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Bryce Young look good at the end of the season.
I obviously trust the coach, you know, you know, he's
a very very good pedigree. When it comes to number
one receivers. They really like the tet. They really his
last name is I always butcher his first name. I'm
not even gonna try that, So they always love tat McMillan.
You know, they drafted him extremely high. They put a
lot of draft capital into him, and realistically, there's nobody

(35:22):
else there, so I could easily see it a double
digit touchdown season for him, you know, a big target share.
I mean, there's really nobody else there. Like you know,
he was able to get Adam Feeling guys like that
that are serviceable, but you know, tight end position. Nothing
is he capable of being a number one receiver. You
could say the jury is still out there, but I

(35:43):
got to feel in they're and to give him every
chance to be that guy. And where he's being drafted,
he could be a league winner of Carolina and Bryce
Young take that next step.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Sean to answer that question, at least my answer, I'd
say seventy five catches, nine hundred yards seven touchdowns. That's
what i'd look for McMillan this year. Okay, guys, where
did I want to go with? Oh? So Turt? I
think you brought up a good point and we'll see
what the deep end guys do here. But regarding the
types of receivers that they took, Chase Wilson, Harrison, Ted McMillan,

(36:14):
Teteroa McMillan, excuse me, all expected to be the number
one receivers on their team. Now, if you look at
the Hooks which has Ben and Randall hook the f FPC,
Joe's at the ten spot, and you look at Matt
Schaff at the eleven. They also went receiver heavy in
their first in the first part of their draft. But
look at who Hooks took. Collins, who's the number one guy?

(36:35):
Adams probably the number two, Jamison Williams number two receiver,
Zay Flowers number one receiver. But you still have Mark
Andrews there as well, kind of gumming up the works.
Maybe I'm cheating when I say that, but I'll just
bring that up. And then you look at Schaff number
one in Nakua, Rashie Rice, is he the number one?
Maybe not to start the season maybe becomes it. Mike

(36:55):
Evans is the number one, DeVonta Smith is the number two.
So I guess like for the those squads, I guess
you could make the case that look I like the
deep ense better because they have all these number one
receivers Jerry Judy included who they just took right here
at the six twelve where these other guys are littered
with number two. Are not all number one options right
hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I mean I like Team ten's receivers over Team eleven's
receivers personally, Jameson Williams, I love this year. DeVonta Adams.
I get he's the number two, but he can easily
be the number one. There Nico Collins, you know that
we don't really say much about him, and obviously getting
the tight end position with Trey McBride helps team Team eleven.
I don't hate the guys that DeVonta Smith is just

(37:37):
I love the player, but you gotta believe in Eagles
passing game for him to you know, really warrant where
he's being drafted. And Mike Evans, one of these years
he's got to go down, right, No, he doesn't, he doesn't, right,
that's why you know, he's not a sexy pick. He's
not a people like people are pounding the table for.
But he always gets it done well.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
It sure is fun and sexy when he catches forty
yard touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
When you need it, and he loves that one yard
touchdown just tweaks people like myself because you always have
the shot. The one yard Baker Mayfield Mike Evans touchdown
if you don't own him, is one of the most
tilting things in fantasy football. I don't know if anybody
agrees with that, but you think it's always going to
be a running back. Usually receivers are never on the field.
Then Mike Evans does that or four weeks.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Times a week. There's a first for everything. I'll agree
with you, guys. Number one team number one. Now, I
think Crow Orson and Mike are just just showing off.
There's a shot nothing that.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Number one receiver and Mark Andrews number one receiver.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah, but you know you've got to put up some
points of running back and do you guys believe I'd
like to understand what Jonathan Taylor is gonna do this year.
I'd like to see some numbers.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'm not a numbers guy. People always ask me for numbers.
I'm not a numbers guy.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Well, you gotta be termed, because that's how you need
to decide who you're gonna draft. That hill now, the
way they look and move and all that part of it.
But you know, if you're if you're gonna take a
running back over another running back, Like we were talking
jsn and Worthy, it's a toss up. It's about style, and.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Nathan Taylor is a wildcard because if Anthony Risus is
a quarterback, I don't, I don't. I'll draft zero of
Jonathan Taylor. That's why it's hard to like.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Well, I got a feeling that he will be the
quarter That's what I'm saying. These guys could use a
green sticker. I don't care who it is.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
They definitely could use a green sticker. But there's no
way I'm taking Jared. I'm taking Isaiah Pachecho over Judy
or Mark Andrews andret maybe maybe, but I'll feel like
the upside trying to win with Judy and Andrews is higher.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
I think Team Too got a real gift when Checko
became available, and I like him better than Aaron Jones
now I am in the minority there, but I like
him better.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Guys join me in the middle of the draft board here,
Rob Vieira's team at the sixth hole. He just added
his second receiver in Jordan Addison. What's what does Jordan
Addison having? And with the first receiver that Rob drafted,
it's justin Jefferson, Jefferson and Addison. I believe that. And
Rob he may not be watching this right now. I'm
sure he'll go back and watch it later. I could

(40:10):
be wrong. I think Rob is a Vikings fan. Don't
quote me on that. But before we get into that,
what do you make of we talked about all these
other teams drafting receivers early. Vierra is just stacking up Kittle, Ngram,
Chase Brown, and James Connor. He gets Jalen Hurts in
there as well. What do you make Farrell of the
of the approach of letting everybody else take receivers in

(40:33):
the first six rounds while he stacks up not one
but two tight ends and gets a couple of potentially
monsters at running back there as far as their workload
goes this year.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Now we're talking about team six.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Team six? Correct? I HM?

Speaker 4 (40:48):
The quarterback question eliminates with Jefferson, but it lives with Addison.
And that's why I don't think I would have done that.
You know, you know, he must know some receivers that
he likes and they're still out there. And I like
him too, and I would defer until we get into

(41:11):
the double digit rounds to see who he puts on
this team. But I'm a little I'm a little baffled
by it.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Turf, let me bring this up regarding Hurts and I'll
let you weigh in on this. The pick for Rob
Vieria tonight the FFPC Joe at the four h seven
as the fourth quarterback off the board. Last year, Hurts
ended up throwing for just twenty nine hundred yards, which
is extremely low. Disgusting, Yeah, it was disgusting. He did, however,

(41:42):
top six hundred yards rushing, and he got into the
end zone fourteen times. That is his fourth consecutive year
with double digit rushing touchdowns. Last year, as far as
touchdowns through the air, he only threw eighteen of them.
If we are to believe that the Eagles ground game
is either going to keep up what they did last
year or they're going to take a step back and

(42:04):
let passing become more prevalent with Philly, with with Brown
and Smith and Goddard. Isn't Jalen Hurts the one guy
that wins no matter what the scenario is for the
Eagles this year?

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yes, but Turpy was the I think this is right, Balky,
and you might have just back check me on this,
but he was number nine in Fantasy points last year
amongst FFPC quarterbacks, and I don't if he improves, he's
he's not moving past a lot of these other guys
because they've got a chance to improve as well. That's

(42:38):
all I'm saying. Would you rather have than Hurts?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I mean, I'm only drafting Joe Burrow if I have
Jamar Chaser tiggainst Okay.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
But but okay, So that's that's a question.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
If you're saying one one versus one, Yes, I'm probably
taking Burrow.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, I would go Hurts. I would go Hurts over Burrow.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I don't think it's I don't think it's like a
I mean, I love it.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
I think is a bigger commentary on what the Misselis
did in round two, because you know, Turp just said it.
Garrett Wilson and then there's Tyreek Hill and then there's T. Higgins,
and I'm like, oh, those guys better than J.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
A J.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Brown.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
A J.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Brown is a fantastic football players. Twenty nine hundred yards
in that passing attack, a ten percent bump, a twenty
percent bump, we get the thirty five hundred yards. It's
still very ordinary.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Farrell, I have Jalen Hurts his quarterback six in the FFPC.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
I stand corrected.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Okay. So the thing is with Burrow and how you
treat him. At the point I would be looking at
drafting him, I'm going to know whether I have Chase.
I'm gonna know whether I have Higgins, and that will
affect how I draft him. Now, I can't speak for Stacy,
but if she did not have T. Higgins there, I

(43:51):
wonder if she lets Burrow go to somebody else. No,
I don't know. I mean, I have no idea. So
so that's the thing is, we always try to get
in the minds of these drafters, and and maybe one
or two of themill join us.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
None of them are calling in, Balky, did you not
share the number?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
I did? But here's the thing. And I said this
last night, and and Turk and I talked about this
at the top of the show. This is this is
as talented AH pros and Joe's. I mean this, I
said this last night tonight was going to be a
blood bath. There's just there's no there's no weaknesses here
there it's twelve sharks, and really it's more than that

(44:28):
because we have multiple sharks running multiple teams here, and
the pros in this in this.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Event all lay down their money to play fantasy football
and that that's that makes them Joe's, which makes them dangerous.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
It is crazy how all these drafts are all different
and none of them are there all. You know, you
just see like guys being drafted around two rounds different
and all these drafts. You know, we talked about Marvin
Harrison earlier, like he hasn't fell this far in any
draft I've seen the last two months, you know, so
to get a value like this, a draft like this

(45:00):
that we thought was going to be extremely hard, clearly
all these other people don't like Marvin Harrison either, Like
all these people who took you know that that Xavier Worthies,
the DK Metcalf, the DJ Moore's, all these quarterbacks, all
these running backs, Like it's it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
I have a question for all you guys fire away
for I like questions. There's two of you, Christian McCaffrey.
Is he on the don't draft list? Or is he
on the draft list? And if you draft him in
front of Henry, you're you're thinking that you're gonna get
McCaffrey for what he's supposed to be the full season

(45:38):
of receptions, that you're going to basically turn back the clock.
But as McCaffrey balky, you're drafting maximum teams down here,
terpill will tear it up at the f f PC
at Paris and Las Vegas. How many McCaffrey teams are
you guys going to have?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Well, here's the thing I do. I'm glad you asked this,
because this is talking about this is probably gonna help
me make up my mind on this. I've drafted him
a couple of times so far. I have drafted mostly
from the front end of drafts, so I haven't really
had the opportunity to take him in a whole lot
of spots. I have said on these airwaves multiple times

(46:17):
at the NFL, it's a young man's game. The older
you get, the more difficult that it becomes to be successful.
And a lot of times when I take a chance
on these veterans and it doesn't pay off because they
get hurt. And McCaffrey obviously coming off a big time
loss season last year, I'm just kicking myself. Why did
I do this? Why did I do this to myself
to draft a guy who was already having injury problems

(46:39):
when he was younger, and now he's a year older,
and I take him again at the one two turn.
I don't I'm gonna attribute this to Ben Gretch. I
don't know if he said this. I think it was him,
and I think he was talking about McCaffrey and he said,
you know, sometimes when you're playing in these in these tournaments,
and obviously you're just trying to beat eleven people here,
but you do get the overall title. Bet else if

(47:00):
you beat everybody. But for a lot of people watching,
they are playing in the Big Gorilla, they're playing in
the KFFFC main Event, they're playing in the FFPC main Event.
They're playing in the FFPC Bestball Tournaments, tournaments where you
have to beat out hundreds, if not thousands of people
right to win. And I think Ben Gretch said this
with the idea in mind of drafting McCaffrey in a

(47:21):
big tournament. Sometimes you shouldn't be asking yourself, well, what
happens if this guy gets hurt? You should be asking yourself, well,
what happens if this guy doesn't get hurt? And I
think that changes the conversation about McCaffrey, because if he
doesn't get hurt, you're tough. Where was Barkley going last year?
Early second round?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yes, he was in the third round.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
So this is my point, Like, I'm not saying McCaffrey
is going to be this year is Barkley, But I'm
just saying, like, for a guy who has shown us
enough in fantasy football over the course of his career
where he was the de facto one oh one multiple
times over, and you can get him at the end
of the first for the early second what happens if
he stays healthy all year? And and that's and that's

(48:05):
sort of the thing that I'm kind of talking through
in my head right now. When when I'm on the
clock and McCaffrey is available at the one eleven or
the two O two or the two O.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Three, Damn, I should ask more questions you can't top that, just.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
That everything Ben said, everything Bulky said. I draft as
much Christian McCaffrey as I can pretty much for that
exact reason. I don't really worry about the injury stuff.
I know we talk about it every once in a while,
but I know what Christian McCaffrey can do, and if
he stays healthy, he will do that. There's really no way,

(48:40):
there's there's really no way around that.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Did Bill Hollywood just came in here with something very
very good?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
You could always you could always handcuff him. You can
always the Grendo's, the James, anybody, anybody there is fine
to pick up. You saw what happened last years.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
If you want to look at an injury history, go
look at Grindo and then you'll say, oh my god,
I got to back him up. I got a handcuff Grinda.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Everybody's taking Ashton Genty over Christian McCaffrey, and that's a
popular like we will pocket right there. To me, it's
Christian McCaffrey almost of the time. I don't and I
don't hate ash Genty at all. But what we're talking
about a Raiders offense that you know, yeah, Gino's there,
chip Kelly's there. I get all that stuff, but you know,

(49:27):
there's too many questions there. And obviously outside of injuries
for Christian McCaffrey, if he stays healthy for seventeen games,
let's say fifteen games, whatever, give me all the Christian
McCaffrey I can get and and wheels up. If it
doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. But you know,
in these in these tournament settings where you're trying to
win a million dollars, you're trying to win your league,
there's not many players like Christian McCaffrey that are sitting

(49:48):
at the end of the first round, in the second
round in some of these drafts.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Would you rather have Darrick Henry or McCaffrey McCaffrey. Is
there is there a first round running back that you
like Henry better than.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
For me, no, no, maybe, but that's probably about it.
But that I don't I probably take gent in it.
I would take a Chane over everybody. I mean, I
would probably take devon Ah Chane over everybody but b
Jon Robinson. And that might be the end of the end.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Just regarding what I said earlier with Ben Gretch and
this is gonna be hilarious if Ben never said this
or wrote this. Because we're attributing, we're.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Giving them all the credit for it, so it's out
there now.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
But but Teag Orgman and Tege I think I'm getting
your name right. I could be wrong on this. He says,
Gretch's right should be playing very aggressively in the main
event or Big Gorilla. And how would Teague know this
because Tigue was the guy that dethroned the go bills
guys after two consecutive years by twenty twenty three, f
FPC Main Event. Awesome that we get f f PC
Royalty hanging out more f FPC roads watching the broadcast,

(50:58):
and I thanks for hopping aboard team Team nine. Let's
talk about them right now. This is the Stealing Banana squad.
They're on the clock right now. People were talking on
the in the chat room not understanding the strategy, and
obviously on the next time that these guys hook up
on a Stealing Bananas podcast. I'm sure they'll talk about
this here. But you look at what they've done at
tight end Farrell Hockinson in the fifth and now back

(51:20):
to back tight ends, they went Tyler Warren and Tucker
Craft at the seven to eight they only have the
two receivers Neighbors and Smith and Jig, but which, granted,
could be target monsters. Nobody else is zigging. Everybody else
is zagging, and they're zigging here tight Ends, Hockinson, Warren
and Craft. I could see it working. And if you're
trying to be different, you're trying to win first, there

(51:41):
certainly is a path here. But even I'm kind of
scratching my head in the tight End Premium League that
you want to have three of them by the end
of round eight. Farrell, I love tight Ends, but these
are three of the same guys and the tight End
Whisper debunked a little bit of the Tucker Craft last night,
and you know, we've had a series of podcasts on

(52:01):
Friday Night.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
That we can't get anyone that joins me in the
I Hate Tucker Craft club and but I love Yeah.
See there you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
You want it, you want to, you want to, you
wanna yeah, don't got for me?

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Tell me, tell me. Uh, I'm gonna look at all
your teams to see how much Tucker Craft you've got.
But you take those end for me right now.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
These guys need a receiver and hold on, hold on,
I gotta stop you for I'm sorry. Did you say
Tucker Craft is a top three tight end for you?
He said, yeah, exposure, exposure. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I miss.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
He was saying. He was saying a lot of things,
and that don't correct well.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
But that's listen. I'm probably in the minority on this,
I know. I just feel that.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Worries me because I know you're not a big Tucker
Craft guy.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
It's not. I think he's a fantastic football player. Farrel
and I were talking about this on Friday's got a
smoking hot wife. Uh, he's doing He's living life the
right way right now. But I just worry about even
with the Packers, you know, coming back and regressing a
little bit to being more of a passing team this year.

(53:14):
You add Golden saving on Williams two in the draft.
I don't think Nicole Hardin makes the team, but they
still went out and got him as well. I just
don't know, like I don't know. I mean to Tucker
Craft and best ball, Okay, I get it, like, you know,
he's going to have those spike games, But for anybody
in like a managed league, we are drafting as as

(53:35):
like a tight end twelve or tight end thirteen. I mean,
I don't know when I'm gon for him or Tyler
Warren and draft and drafted.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Ride behind him was Khalil Shakira and after Terps learned
words last night, I've rode back Shakira to ninety four catches.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
All right, hold on, so few things from the chat
room right now.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Fare what's going on over there?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Scott White, Balky always plays Switzerland, always the play. I
think for the most part that's true. It's not always true. Uh,
we got Joe King. I only draft guys with hot wives,
but then Bill Hollywood, I try to draft people who
aren't married. So listen, we're getting some next level analysis.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
From the YouTube analysis.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
This is this is good stuff. Joe King also said
a three tight end start and managed just signing up
for coin flips. I'm with him on that this is bestball,
so these guys don't have to worry about it. But
with Joe, I'm totally with you, this would be a
nightmare trying to figure this out now. Tight End premium
and double flex obviously if you plan on flexing these
guys out every week. Okay, that's fine. I get that's tough,

(54:39):
but yeah, it's it's not an easy thing.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Is more of a best ball guy than he is
a redraft guy.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Matt Schoff is on the clock right now. I'm gonna
try to scroll up to it right now if I
can find it, and I may not be able to
find it on the on the YouTube chat right now,
if I can get Yeah, sorry about that, guys, if
I can get back up to it. Here, there was
a comment on Shou's team. Yeah, Corey Walters had it here.
I got it up. I'm not feeling Team eleven between

(55:08):
guys being able to stay healthy and suspensions and being old.
Maybe a stack can help him. And he's referring to
Draft Sharks Matchoff, who, by the way, twentieth all time
on the all time FFPC prosers of Joe's leader board,
so he's gotten a lot of stuff right over the years.
Speaking of stacks, he just added one here with Hollywood
Brown to go with Patrick Mahomes, who he got in

(55:30):
the seventh round. Yeah, I mean McCaffrey and NICOUA certainly
injury risks, but again you're going for first place here.
Rice with the suspension, I think the suspension is I
don't know, guys, I keep coming back to it in
my head. It's gonna be like three games. And if
I'm without Rice for three games, I can deal with it.
Evans and Mixon not the youngest guys in the world.
I like DeVonta Smith, Jake Ferguson. I think there is

(55:51):
a positive report by one of the Beat writers taking
in training camp today about Ferguson. You have Travis etn
At a good value here too. There's question marks, but
there's I mean, I could see this working out too,
and Schoff obviously knows what he's doing. Turf, I'll let
you wigin and Pharalleh, I want you to give your
commentary on this squad too. But what do you think
of Matt Schaw's team at team at Spot eleven tonight.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I don't necessarily agree with all the players, but the
structure of the team is perfect. I mean, there's really
nothing negative to say about the overall structure. I mean,
Jenny McCaffrey, we talked about him, Hookah, who's kind of
stale right now in drafts. Nobody really loves them. Everybody's
afraid of Devonte Adams. Are they afraid you know, is
the Rams going to pass the ball enough to warn't
both guys where they're being drafted, you know, right suspension,

(56:33):
it doesn't scare me away. I mean, if it's four games,
I'm still fine. You know, if it's six, then then
we're in trouble. But I don't think it's going to
be that long. And you know, Joe Mixon is not
a guy I'm pumping the table for, but you know,
he's still a guy that always produces. And then Mike Evans,
you know, we talked about Jake Ferguson's the guy that
I've been targeting a lot at the tight m position.

(56:54):
I just really love that Dallas passing game between Dickens,
Dak and Jake Ferguson. Obviously lamb etns. You know, I'm
an ETN stand so I went to draft them as
much as possible. And then getting the stack with Brown
to offset Rice being out. You know, it makes a
ton of sense for this kind of context because you're
not really losing anything when Brown is going to be
in there. Obviously Rice is a better player, but I

(57:17):
would browns no slouts. So say it's four games, you're
getting four games and Mahomes and Brown, and then you're
getting you know, the rest of Mahomes, Brown and your
fourth round pick Rice, so, third round pick Rice. So
I think it's a very very well structured team. He
clearly knows what he's doing. I mean again, I might
I don't necessarily agree on some of the players that
he drafted, but it doesn't really matter the structure of

(57:38):
it's perfect Pharaoh.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
What do you make of shout squad here? I think
makes a good point about getting Hollywood Brown here to
kind of offset a potential right suspension, and then it's
a wheels up after that.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
What do you make of that?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
And the rest of the squad there.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
When Casey Steingele was in front of the Senate SOB
Committee on the Anti Trust zoom and they talk and
he went on and on and on, and Mickey Mantle's
response when they asked Mickey Mantle, he said, well, just
what Casey said, and also just what Turp said. But
I will say this, he's drafting old school names, and

(58:15):
I love it. He's drafting an old school lineup. He
must not be a dynasty player because he doesn't know
the rookies. He doesn't engage with the rookies. He needs
more tight in. Fifty nine catches and zero touchdowns won't
get it done. Ferguson will do better for him, but
he needs more tight in in this format, and I'll
be curious to see where that's coming from. But these

(58:37):
are some old school cats in here. I'm looking for
Tyler Lockett to join this team. I'm looking for Flacco
as a backup quarterback. This is an old school team.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah. I mean we could see Drew Bennett join the
squad as well. Of course, you think of Keith Byers
would be an excellent nineteenth twentieth round pick, right tur
Keith Byers.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Every time you start talking about these hot wives you
know and well, but you're not conscious of it. You're
actually going back to moneyball, and I would say, you know, yeah,
I will say, Balky, you are money and you don't
even know it.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yeah. No, I I kid about the hot wives thing.
I think everybody. I shouldn't say everybody. I think a
lot of people just assume you know anybody from the
upper Midwest, Like because Tucker Crafts is South Dakota guy,
they just assume we're all married to swamp monsters up here.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
And Gary Morgan just says, Stacy's mom has got it
going on.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah, that's true. Does he does have it going on?
Stacy's mom has got to going on.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
At number five one were different, You're fine?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Yeah, so so guys. The other conversation we had tonight,
Nicky Banks points this out on YouTube, the conversation that's
going on on the stream right now. Shocking to see
Chris Godwin go before and Mecca Abuka after today's news.
They should be swapped. So tonight in the draft we
saw a Mecha Buka rise up about a four round

(01:00:00):
where he normally goes. According to ADP that Go Bills
Franchise with Barani, Costantino and Stutsman grab him at the
nine oh eight. But this was after Chris Godwin went
to the Miscellies as wide receiver forty four at the
eight to eleven. And I believe the news on Godwin today,
and I'm I'm gonna look it up just so I'm

(01:00:21):
not misquoting it, but I believe that the reporter said
he had a second ankle surgery and they don't know
if if he is going to participate in camp. Like
this is another thing too with with with Harris I'm
reading it right now. I'm trying to find it here, guys. Okay,

(01:00:44):
well I find it. I'll let you weigh in on it, Pharah,
were you surprised to see Godwin go that much earlier
than Aguca given what we found out today from the Buccaneers.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Early news from training camp is always a little bit puffery,
But Godwin is Godwin is finding that I are that
one game injured, that that medical team on the sidelines
a little too often for me. I'm not saying I
would have turned to the other Tampa receiver, but I

(01:01:16):
think maybe I would go shopping somewhere else for Godwin.
That really hurts my heart because it's one of one
of the players I'm most admired in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Okay, so Godwin gets placed on the pup list. Today's
ur underwent the second procedure on his ankle. Jenna Lane,
who covers the Buccaneers, said that that was more of
a clean up procedure and that he's doing well right now.
But I think we have to look at this and understand,
like there's a probability here, there's a lot of different

(01:01:46):
outcomes here, and at this point, like I kind of
went away from drafting Chris Godwin, who was my favorite
player last year to draft, And I started off drafting
season back in the winter, you know, January, February, March
or whatever it was, and I was drafting again as
my number three receiver because I believe that he was
going to be healthy at the start of the season.
And dude, now I'm not so sure I've been I've
been avoiding him and he might still be an avoid

(01:02:08):
until I see him back on the field.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Yeah, go ahead, Chris Godwin, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Will have zero percent Chris Godwin and that won't change.
I said that since the beginning. I don't think I
could take him at all. I mean maybe tenth round,
eleventh round, something, double digits. I might think about it,
but I mean he had the thing about Chris Godwin
is obviously we know about the injury stuff, but it's

(01:02:36):
not he has scrubs behind him. Guys can easily take
this job, you know, Jaylem McMillan, you know Mecca, you
know guys like that, they're not they're not scrubs. And
this offense is still gonna throw the ball a ton
And obviously Mike Evans isn't coming off the field so
you know, if they start you know, getting you know,
getting more acclimated with that offense, and they start, you

(01:02:57):
know really you know, as the season starts on, they
start really really pressing and they do well. I think
Chris Gowin could be an afterthought.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
They take advantage of their opportunity for us in San's It's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
The same sance I have on Brandon Nyuk. I will
have a zero percent Brandon Ayuk number one. Brandon Ayuk
wasn't good last year before he got hurt. He was
awful out there. You know, he got paid and then
stunk and yeah, I know he had injuries and all
this cool stuff and I get that. But then once
he got hurt, people were like Kyle Shana Henry came out.
There's no timetable today. Guys like that. They beat me.

(01:03:33):
They beat me. Yeah, I know you could say, well,
they're they're being drafted at a value. They could help
you down the season. But to me in a best
ball format, I'm totally out. In a redraft, maybe you know,
with the with the potential that could hold a roster
spot form to when they become valuable. But Chris Godwin
and Brandon Ayuk, I will not own this year.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
He's gonna stay up that Niners thing. So would you
have the same kind of bump with Jennings's I love
one of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
My favorite players.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
You know, I'm not sure we've seen the best Jennings.
It could possibly be no Balky. You talked about god
Within missing camp and how that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I yeah, By the way, by the way, just to
real quick, I think I misspoke on that. I think
it was I Shanahan said he wasn't sure like when
he be playing in camp. We have not heard that
from from the Buccaneers and Godwin. Just so everybody's clear
on that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
All right, Well, you know camp is not what camp
used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
No, it's just you know, Williams is star. You saw
that piece today that came out that the video of
him running through guys with with no pads on Tavonte.
Williams is gonna be the next He's gonna start rising
in draft boards. Good luck.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
You know a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
A lot of what happens in camp, and we I've
said this many times, the the superstars are actually the
training staff, the medical staff, what they're doing with the
players and what happens with the players in the film
room and installing the systems and understanding the James. It's
not so much on the field about camp anymore so

(01:05:04):
just kind.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Of preseason traps are there, and they're there every year.
You're gonna see it as as training camp really starts
opening and you start seeing these guys, you know, team
scrimmages and stuff like that. You're gonna see these guys
that are getting drafted into thirteenth, fourteenth round getting moved
up because they broke away from guys without pads on ye. Look,
it's it's you can't say it any better. And we

(01:05:26):
see it every year, from Marquise Callaway to Terrace Marshall
and we can go down the list of names that
just rows up draft boards after like preseason, you know,
pieces of how great they were gonna be and they
were just complete flops.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Well, my favorite preseason draft board adjustment was on Jamar Chase, who,
for yeah, people thought that he can no longer catch
the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Couldn't catch the ball, remember last year, Carson Steele.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
On TV.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
It happens every year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
It does work the yeah, I mean like Chase Chases example.
It works the other way too, I mean like Phuka
Nakua we we We. That was another guy that really
gained steam positive reporting done on him in training camp
in preseason. James Robinson a few years back as well as.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
It was James Robinson versus I forget the other guy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Divine oh uh, divine Ozigbo.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeah, it was like up until like up until like
that we drafted in Vegas, like there was a question
of who the guy was going to be. And you
took James Robinson, you were printing money. If you took
the other dude, you were drawn dead. And that's really
what it comes down through, these like ambiguous backfields that
are like totally you know, unknown at this point, and
there's a ton out There's a ton out there right now.

(01:06:39):
I mean you look at Jacksonville, you look at Dallas,
you look at Chicago. In some eyes, you know New York,
the Giants even like the Jets with are they going
to do it? You know, Jami or Gibbs, Dave Montgomery
type of situation with Breest Hall and Braylan Allen. There's
just a ton of backfields out there that are very
very very questionable. Washington like nobody knows, like they hate

(01:07:01):
Brian Robinson, right but he's still going to be the
guy Austin Eckler, and then you got you know some
you know rookie buzz. That's definitely stuff you got to
start paying attention to because you always try to get
as many of these guys as possible, because if you
get the right one, you're you're well ahead of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Lagam Team four's quarterback Sex Farrell.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
I want to we are going to get to that.
I promise you get two things I want to get
to before we move on. Number one Mac Nova, a
former ESPN researcher to the stars. He said, Reikwell Armstead
and Devin Ozigbowl and James Robinson. It was like a
three way, which made it even more confusing for us
in Las Vegas. I'm going to present the timeline for
Chris Godwin here without context, and maybe this is related.

(01:07:45):
Maybe it's not. Week seven of the twenty twenty four season.
Hertz his ankle on Thursday Night Football. He's out for
the year. March tenth of twenty twenty five. He is
rewarded with a brand spanking new contract three years, sixty
six million, forty four million in guaranteed money. That was
March tenth April twenty fourth, which is basically six and

(01:08:09):
a half weeks later, the Buccaneers use a first round
pick on an egg Mecha ag Buka. Some would say
that these are conflicting signals, right, or I guess conflicting signals.
Others would say, look what happened, like, look in the
order of these things happening, and that will point you
to a Mecca ag Buka. Haven't made up my mind
on it, but I'm kind of with the majority of

(01:08:30):
the YouTube chat tonight. I think I'm sort of looking
at team eg Buka over Team Godwin at this point
until I see something from Chris Godwin.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Oh he Jalen McMillan is no slouch either, and he's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Yeah, Jalen mcmill is another guy that will have to
be looking He really looked.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Good last year. Everybody's like pretty much ignoring him and
pretty much saying he's an afterthought. And I'm not sitting
here saying that there. I'm right in some regard. But
if something's out with Godwin, like Baker Mayfield has to
rapport with McMillan, and you know, if if a Mecca
always said what's his last name? Mecca Boca bok at
Buka at buka close enough whatever. I'm terrible pronunciation, that's okay,

(01:09:07):
you don't have to pronounce it. He has to draft
it if he hits the wall. And I have a
ton of him because he was one of my favorite
receivers coming out. Why not don K Millan Jalen mill
is going like the fifteen sixteen, seventeenth round of some
of these drafts, like why not?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
JJ Zacher reason talks about this all the time, where
you have these rookie receivers that often start out slow,
but then the second half of the season they really
come on. McMillan really came on at the end of
the year. And and I'll say this too, Remember he
was part of that trio of Washington receivers that got
drafted in twenty twenty four. Obviously Odoonsay was the guy
who was a top ten pick. But when it came
to McMillan versus Jalen Polk, Jalen Polk's stats, I think

(01:09:45):
we're inflated because McMillan got hurt, he wasn't on the field.
McMillan was keeping Polk, you know, almost irrelevant on that
offense while he was healthy, and then McMillan gets hurt
and people penalize him for that, and then people penalize
him for the start of the season last year, which
was not great. Actually, I think he caught a touchdown
in the first game, in the first two games or
something like that, and then he basically disappeared to like

(01:10:07):
week twelve or week thirteen or whatever it was, and
then he really came on. Farrell. Uh, we want to
get back to you here. You had a point to
make about John Zeleski squad nine rounds. He goes without
drafting a signal caller and now he can't stop picking up.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
And you know, based on the way we like these players,
that's a good mix. That really is a good mix.
And I'm I'm curious about Team two when we're gonna
see some more tight ends, when we're going to see
some more quarterbacks. I thought they would have pulled the
trigger there. I think, I, oh, no, let their their
favorite quarterback is gone. But yeah, I I you know,

(01:10:43):
Mayfield and Williams and Lawrence, they've got a threat to
hit big numbers every week, and they're gonna it's gonna
be difficult to predict who it is but you know,
at the end of the season, each one of them
may have maybe five, they may have five for six
games each one of them that has provided the scoring

(01:11:04):
quarterback position. So I have no problems with this, uh term.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Barney Newkirk, who is watching us on Facebook tonight, no
doubt what a keystone light in his hand, wants to
know what you're dropping tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
No alcohol tonight, Just water, just water.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Okay, there disappointment.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Girl's got his bourbon going. I'm assuming right, I had.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
The most delicious old fashioned tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I love old fashions, love old fashions.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Before making my way over here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Love love a good old fashion.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
You guys gotta you gotta try the Wisconsin Old Fashion.
Sometimes beach curds. No, there's no You could probably get
cheese curds in it. I had a beer a couple
of years ago that had cheese curds in the beer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
And let me tell you that taste not good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Is the Wisconsin Old Fashion made with rye? What what
makes what?

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Okay? So the Wisconsin Old Fashion, the majority of everybody
gets them a little bit differently, right. I think most
people still get whiskey soury. You get whiskey suite you
can get. We have a big German heritage here, so
I always like paying homage to my German heritage by
getting a Brandy suite, which I get made fun of.
But but the mix is it's much less potent. They

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go down like candy. Whereas you go to Kentucky, you
go anywhere else you go to like a really nice
cocktail bar on the coast or Chicago or whatever, you
get in an old fashion that will knock you on
your rear end. The Wisconsin ol fashion is designed to,
you know, have three or four of them before your
fish fry on Friday, and then maybe one afterwards as well.
You can't do that with like the traditional old.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Fashion Irish whiskey. And eighty proof is your Friend book.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I'll tell you who else is my friend and and
I'm gonna bring him on right now, really guest, Yes,
we have a guest here and I want to bring
him on. I didn't know if he was gonna hop
a board, but he is hopping a board right now.
He is drafting from the one spot tonight along with
Adam Krautwurzt. He You can hear him on WGR five
point fifty in Buffalo. Of course, the Odyssey app you

(01:12:59):
can listen to as well Monday through Friday three to
seven pm Eastern Time. You've also seen his mug on
Ship Chasing, Purple Insider, and of course the Deep End
Fantasy Football podcast. You follow him on the X at
Chop Talk. Please welcome in one half of the Deep
End Fantasy Guys. He is Mike Schop Mike, Welcome aboard
tonight man.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Somebody said something about what it's like to drink in Kentucky,
so I had to jump on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I figured out it was like a calling card for
you on that one. So you and Adam are drafting
from the one spot tonight. We talked about your team fairly, extensively, terperally.
Liked your start here, and you have filled in the
cracks at all the other positions. After pounding receiver early,
my friend, we have to you know, land.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
The plane so to speak, right, I mean, tight end
went to the right quarterback. I think maybe we got
away with it running back so far.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
I'm okay.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
When you get to past like round ten, all the
tight ends feel like they're the same. So our thinking
is to try to draft four or even five of
them by the end and cross our fingers, but couldn't
resist the receiver thirst early.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Do you feel like you're done at any position right now, Mike,
or do you think you're going to add at all
four of them?

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
No, I'd like I mean, I don't know what Adam
is thinking. I left him to his popcorn for those
time being, but I think we'll probably want at least
one receiver, maybe to put with May. We still don't
really have anybody for Prescott either, and I'd like one
more quarterback too. I think there are some interesting options there,
but it can't come at the expense of other positions

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where we are in more trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Mike. The conversation we had earlier about Jonathan Taylor, we
were trying to figure out what he's going to do
this year, and sort of the consensus that we came
to it kind of depends upon who the quarterback is
when you and Adam decided to make him your first
pick of the third round, that you guys have made
up in your mind, like who you think it's going
to be, and that's why Taylor was the pick there?
Or is it still kind of a nebulous situation for you?

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
No, We didn't talk about that, and maybe we should have,
but we were both going to shock the world and
pick o'mary and Hampton at three oh one, and then
Dagel went and did it. And then I'm texting him
with him all day because he wants to know what
we're doing at one and we went back and forth
on that, and then I said we were going to
pick Hampton. He said I was going to pick Kittle,

(01:15:23):
but he he shouldn't have expected to get Kittle.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Right, Yeah, a tough get.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
We were to get Hampton.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Yeah, Okay, that's what's wild. So but so, Mike, I mean,
you do a ton of drafts like this. Is this
going to be the new normal for Hampton back into
the second round?

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
That's what people are saying. I don't know different And
until we get some sort of real information on Najie
Harris that isn't just his coach saying I'm praying for
him and that we don't have him back by the
end of training camp. And you know what was interesting
about that story is, you know, like Schefter and Rappaport

(01:16:02):
and Tom Pelsaro, they all come out with the big
news all within seconds of each other. Because they're all
given it. They're not really reporting, they're just handed the
news and it's you know, choreographed.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
This one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
They didn't have it for like two weeks. They didn't
even know that Harris had been hurt. So it's been
weird from the beginning. I think until we find out
if we do that Najee Harris is actually okay, then
that slows the steam down a little bit on Hampton.
But it doesn't have to slow it down that much.
I mean, he's still a first round pick. Harris isn't good,

(01:16:38):
So I feel like Hampton is probably at his floor
right now. I think that would probably guess.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
When I want to get back to your two receivers here,
Jerry Judy, we talked about the ambiguous situation, the ambiguous
quarterback room in Indianapolis. Well that Cleveland says, hold my beer,
because they got four guys that we just don't know
what the heck's going on there. Is Judy the type
of guy that you could pick at the end of
the sixth round and feel pretty good no matter who

(01:17:05):
the quarterback is there, or is there a little trepidation
of like, oh god, what if it's Dylan Gabriel or
something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
I mean even in his career already it has gone
sideways a little bit. But last year he's so spiked
in targets, and I don't know, like Flacco will feed receivers.
He's their number one easily, and maybe he's a trade
target if they're oh to seven or something like that.
I mean, he's a former first round pick. So I

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thought it was worth the gamble there. I mean we
were already pretty good at receiver. I would have liked
Olave I think the most in that sixth round, but
I thought he was worth it, and there really is
no I don't think I have the stomach for a
stack Brown's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I don't think anybody does.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Well, it would be.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Picket for me. I think probably, but I don't think
bull up there.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Options.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Mike, you're about to be on the clock. Do you
have to confer with Adam on this?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
No matter what I told him, I was going to
talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
So he's going to take this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Can you let us? Can you let us behind the
curtain like the guys that you had talked about. Do
you do you think you have a handle on who
he's taking here?

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
I would guess he takes at least one more tight end.
There are still a handful of them that who knows.
And after that, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
I don't think unpredictable crowd. Worst is you could always
been on after you spend how many hours preparing for
this with him, He's still unpredicted. He's good, though, he's
good though, great. You'll be collecting trophies in Kentucky. And
you know what, Bulky, he's got a running buddy coming
with him to help him carry him home. But it's

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somebody else in this poor person been.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
My first time my grandparents. My grandparents are Kentucky. I've
spent very little time there in my life, so I'm
eager to get there. And I've heard great things about
the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. Mike,
You're gonna love it, you absolutely love it. So the
picks are in here, Marshawn Lloyd, who I actually I
like both these picks quite a bit. Marshon Lyden in
the fourteenth round, and Elijah Royle. Let's talk about Lloyd
first here, Mike, this is a player that I think
everything that could go wrong went wrong. His nickname in
Green Bay was Murphy's Law last year, because it's just

(01:19:29):
it was awful, you know, with with having appendicitis and
the ankle injury. And I'm making that up a little
bit when I say Murphy's law. Nobody called them that,
but it just was bad. It was a bad Mulligan
rookie year for Marshaon Lloyd. And now this year, I
don't think that the Packers are gonna lean on Josh
Jacobs as much as they did last year. I think
they're gonna go with what should have been plan A

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last year was more of a tandem between Jacobs and Lloyd,
with Jacobs maybe you know, making it like a sixty
five thirty five, a sixty five and then five for
Emanuel Wilson, Chris Brooks or whatever. I think we're gonna
see a lot of Marshall Lloyd this year. If Jacobs
was were to go down, We're gonna see a lot
of Lloyd. So I think that pick is really good.

(01:20:11):
I'll get to the Arroyo thing in a second, but listen,
I think Adam did you right here with Marshall Lloyd.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
I woke up one day in the middle of June
and he was my most own player on underdog, like
I don't know, that's just how that happened. But usually
you want to bet on the so called mystery box
of the rookies, but the Packers really didn't add one,
or they did. It was it was leader, and I
liked Lloyd a lot last year, so he's kind of free.

(01:20:40):
I feel like I'm in very special territory here being
able to comment on my own draft without having actually
picked the players.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
So that's exciting. The tiny in selection of Arroyo based
on the news that we're having in regards to him
out of c I would have expected an earlier dress
spot in the fifteenth round, and I think you guys
have got to steal there. This player can line up
at a variety of wide receiver positions. I'll rock Bauers

(01:21:13):
and he's He's great size and good movement skills and
a great pass catcher, and people people love him more
the more they see him. I can't wait for preseason
to watch what this player does on the field. Congratulations
on that choice.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
I hope that Seattle's offense is stable enough to pay
that off for us like this, what's happening to our team, Farrell,
I think is why you pick Bowers and at the beginning,
because like this is really a scramble and it's a
lot of guessing as to which one of these which
ones of these guys are going to pay off. I

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would rather not get too like rookie tight end to
have heavily invested in that, you know, one like not
in a dynasty, but in a best ball or redrafting.
But I'm gonna you might have a quicker pipeline to
add them than I do. I think I'm gonna want
one more tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Least I think you might get him. And we talked
about four tight ends being part of the build last night.
And you know, you take your thirteenth round THEO Johnson,
and I would say that this year or two for
THEO Johnson is a continuation of his rookie year. Maybe
bok thanks same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Well, you know, let me just say this real quick
about that the Seattle thing. When when fant got cut
by the Seattle Seahawks, there were two releases in the
Pacific North Forest, two releases by Seattle. One was the
release of Noah Fan the other was the release of
the Beast in Elijah Arroyo that is going to run roughshot.

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Now for that Seattle offense.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
We'll see building it up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
You see what I was just telling you about it,
Like there is a beast there when you're talking now,
ADP could kill that beast. I mean if he ascends,
you know, to round elevel or whatever, then yeah, it's
not great. But round fifteen, yeah for sure. And I
think that's a great pick for you guys. You also
I liked the Theo Johnson pick as well. This is
sort of a burying the lead a little bit, Mike.

(01:23:11):
But I have to go back to round four. How
surprised were you that Marvin Harrison was staring you in
the face at the ports well, the full round after
he normally goes in the FFPC Best Ball Tournament.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
That was exciting. When we were tracking that round, we
were hoping that the quarterbacks would go. I think we
would have been open to Hertz and a DeVante Smith
kind of thing there, but I think we got away
with it. And I'm not a DJ More fan, so
I was happy to see him go. Worthy was never
coming down. I was happy to see McLaurin go, and

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then it was Harrison, and then it was between McMillan
and Hunter for us, So, yeah, that was nice value.
And by the way, on THEO Johnson, so if you
don't mind, this morning on ADP Chasing, we went through
some team pictures like the workout pictures and the won't
the Giants like THEO Johnson is the proximity to the

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quarterback seems to like maybe be there a correlation there
for value, and THEO Johnson was like right in there.
So that probably subconsciously helped me want to pick him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
It's wild because normally when we cover these drafts on
this on this YouTube channel and then a lot of
the KFFSC drafts I've been drafting, Steven Rgalos ends up
getting THEO Johnson in every single draft, and I hadn't
seen him in the chat at all tonight, and then
as soon as we start talking about THEO Johnson, he
just he's like, yeah, I just finished my first home

(01:24:41):
league of the season. It took forever, and then you
still made the THEO Johnson selection tonight, Steven, So congratulations
on that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Well you guys, I mean, I'll see you in Kentucky.
There are how many Buffalo Rochester players in this draft
from Rochester? Adam and me go bills like we're all
over this.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
Thing, so you here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
It's it's crazy the the imprint that that that the
state of New York has made on what I think
is is the blood bath draft so far pros versus shows.
There's just there's no weak spots here tonight. And I
think that you guys have done an excellent job of
cobbling together a team that not only is going to
be competitive, but but could really run pure at the

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end of the season. And you might take this thing,
and you might take the whole thing. Turp always likes
to make his predictions on on who you know is
uh is going to win the whole thing when we're
covering these live, and he did say after five rounds
that you guys, and I don't know how he felt
about the rest of your draft, but he did say
that through five rounds, you guys had the best draft

(01:25:43):
of anybody in the first three programs.

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
Wow, Well, it's so hard to it's so hard to win.
I mean, these are confined leagues, right, I mean you're
sort of playing against what's that I would watch. I've
watched the show the last two nights and tried to
use that as useful information but you're still, you know,
only playing against these eleven people, and they're all beasts.
So Diggle and Gretch by the way, I want to

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be Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Everyone is, especially in the fall, everyone is well. You know,
Turp was right, if you recall Bulky back during COVID,
Turp was right. He was right so often on picking winners.
Not much since then he had a mask on. Sometimes
I didn't think it was him, but all in all
he was right. A few times he was. It was
just five years ago. Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
I'm gonna let you get back to Adam in a
second here. The last thing I want to ask you
is just for anybody who wants to hear more from you,
wants to consume Mike more Mike Show contents obviously w
g R five point fifty. But what from the fantasy
football standpoint, what are you guys doing?

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
So ADP Chasing is every Tuesday morning at ten Eastern.
That's a great group. Pat Range, Jacob Sanderson, Davis Maddock.
I'll be starting up again with Purple Insider with Matthew
Coller Wednesday mornings in the first week of August, which
I'm excited about, sponsored by FanDuel. And then everything I
can get with you guys. You know I love being
part of any of this. It feels like a you know,

(01:27:08):
a weird fantasy, so to speak, come true. I'm on
WGR in Buffalo three to seven every afternoon, have been
since two thousand and two. And then Bill's post game
when they're not playing at night. Because I'm too old, you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
Go upstairs fix some popcorn just so I can melt
the butter.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
You know, Mike, I guess like me, you've you've been
doing it the better part of two decades, but you
just have the clout where you're like, yeah, guys, I'll
do the Bills post game show. But if they're playing
at night, find somebody else.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
Night games.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
I'm out.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Yeah, night games, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Good for you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
I've earned that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
It's the one thing I've earned in my career.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
At chop Talk on X is where to follow. I
might get back after it. Enjoy the rest of the draft.
Don't be a stranger, and we'll see in Louisville.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Thanks for having me. Can't wait. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Mike Show at Choke Talk on X joining the program tonight.
Good stuff from him. He's drafting from the one spot
except for rounds fourteen and fifteen when Adam Karutwroz drafted
Marshawn Lloyd and Elijah Royal for him as well. So
that's good that we know when when we could check
out Mike's viewpoints on fantasy football. Yeah, Turp has has

(01:28:20):
some youngins at home, so I'm sure he had to
take care of that. It happens to the best of us.
It's happened to me before too. We're coming up on
the home stretch here of the pros versus Joe's Night
three draft. And I be remiss if I didn't mention
dynasty leagues at the FFPC. We'd had two thousand of
them over the course of fifteen years and none have

(01:28:41):
ever folded. So if you want to play in a
dynasty league and you want to play it and you
don't want to have to worry about it folding or
getting out of it, my f FPC dot com is
where to go for that. You can register for the
startups we have going on right now throughout the rest
of the summer. Again, my f FPC dot com. Parah,
let's look at some of the picks here. Jalen mcmill
we talked about a little bit earlier. Interesting that he

(01:29:03):
falls tonight to wide receiver sixty seven. Maybe it's just
a case of the Godwin news hasn't sunk in to
everybody yet. I'd have to go back and look at
the drafts I commissioned earlier tonight for the FFPC Big
Gorilla to see where these guys are going. But Godwin
in the eighth, ag Buka in the ninth, and then
McMillan not until the sixteenth round. That's something that we'll
be watching as well. What do you make of these

(01:29:25):
two running backs that went before McMillan in the sixteenth round,
Jarquez Hunter to stealing Bananas. I know Sean Siegel is
a big fan of him, and then Taj Brooks to
the gold Bills guys. Brooks the ostensible backup to Chase
Brown in Cincinnati with Zach Moss getting placed on preseason
pup today, Hunter and Brooks Ferrell. Your thoughts on those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
I like Brokes better, although because of the situation. Hunter
is a player that I really want to get a
feel for during the preseason. He's on my want to
watch list, and you know, I think it's very important.
It's one of the lessons I learned in fantasy football
from our old pal Chads Roder. Chaz Roders told me,

(01:30:09):
despite all the baseball work he does, he watches every
minute of preseason football, and I think that's important because
I'm a big scout with my eyes guys and Cola
A player moves, So that's what i want to make
my decision on Hunter. But I'm all in them Brooks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
There, Yeah, Brooks is a really interesting guy at sixteen.
I don't you know, He's not going to be the
guy if Brown goes down, but he's going to be
an integral part. And you know that there's potential shootouts
with Cincinnati. I'm not sure that they've fixed their defense yet.
It's wild because you know, two of the cogs that
I thought would help that Bengals defense be better this

(01:30:45):
year is Trey Hendrickson, and we don't know exactly when,
when or if he's going to be signed. And then
Shamar Stewart, who is working out in College Station Texas
right now, still unsigned there as well. I don't know
what's going to happen there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
If you look at the names of the green stickers
that have gone on the board since the thirteenth round.
This is why I like to draft running backs early,
because when you compare them to the wide receivers, you
can make much much better cases for these wide receivers
scoring for you. Then you can some of these running
backs and that you know, we've got a wide receiver
here in the fourteenth round. They called ninety plus balls

(01:31:19):
last year. You've already stated your case for McMillan DeLand.
We love the way he played towards the end of
the year last year. There's all things about these receivers.
Josh Palmer, although I don't agree, Chirp thinks that he
could be a big contributor this year in that offense.
So and people like Kyle Williams. What I'm saying is

(01:31:40):
I would be much more comfortable putting these running backs
on my draft board earlier and picking up these receivers later.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
I want to bring up two more receivers here that
I think are compelling to talk about. Actually three more
receivers that are compelling to talk about. That went and
rounds fourteen and fifteen to Mario Douglas goes one pick
before Kyle Williams. And if you remember when Kyle Williams

(01:32:09):
got drafted by New England. This was at a time
where we didn't know what Diggs status was going to be.
You know, he was coming off the torn acl he
was on a boat with some sort of substance and yeah,
it was wild, right, and so Kyle Williams got pumped up.
Darren ARMANI put this tweet out at Fantasy Mojo on
x that tomorrow. Douglas is one of the highest risers

(01:32:31):
over the last couple of months in the FFPC Big Gorilla.
People are really starting to like him and how he
fits into this offense. And quite frankly, I think that
I'm down with the drafting Digs and I'm down with
drafting Douglas, and I'm kind of pushing Kyle Williams to
the side. Now, Williams could turn it on at the
end of this coming year, but I think the majority

(01:32:51):
of the season it's going to be Douglas and it's
going to be Diggs as of right now. Reserved the
right to change my mind based on more training camp
that I see. Marvin Mims in round fifteen to John Zeleski,
this is a player I don't think i'd ever draft
in a manage league unless I really screwed up my receivers.
But in a Best Ball league, knowing how they want
to use this guy, knowing how explosive he is, knowing

(01:33:12):
I never have to worry about starting him hashtag better
in Best Ball. I love that pick for John Zeleski there,
and I think he needs some help at receiver. I mean,
this is a this is a team that I mean,
he didn't take a receiver until round four, so he's
got more Dj Moore, Courtland Sutton, Jacoby Myers, Jayden Higgins
and then that's it until round fifteen when he takes Mims.
So I think Mims is really going to help him

(01:33:32):
out there, sort of the INENI and Yang, because then
the next pick he took one Dale Robinson, the guy
that doesn't have very many spike weeks, but he'll give
you eleven to twelve points seemingly every single ye, every
single week. And then the final receiver I wanted to
talk about in the fifteenth round, Quentin Johnston going to
Rob Vieira, who he takes Kyle Williams in the fourteenth.
He takes Quentin Johnson in the fifteenth. Say what you

(01:33:54):
will about Quinton Johnston. But Mike Williams is no longer
a Charger. You got Lad McConkie, you got Trey Harris,
who I guess is making plays, and Justin Herbert talked
about him, but I think it was Jim Harbaugh. It
was either Jim Harball. I think it was Jim Harbaugh
that listed all the receivers that they're gonna have to
count on with Mike Williams not being there anymore. And

(01:34:15):
maybe this is nothing. Maybe it's something Trey harrisy listed
like fifth. So there's that. So say what you about
Quentin Johnston, but I think that that could pay off
in round fifteen as well. He's had a nose for
the end zone this past season that could continue this year.
So that little pocket of receivers that we see Mems, Douglas, Johnston,
I really like those three right there.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Farrell, And remember all the talk about Jalen Kocher last
year is Xavier Legette. The talent of these players hasn't
gone anywhere, and they contributed in their first year in
more difficult situations than we perhaps imagined when they first started.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
But I.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Think that's tremendous value as we go, even into the
seventeenth round.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
The tight end election has been interesting. Tonight we talked
about the deep end with Andrews, Theo, Johnson, and Arroyo.
We also see three tight ends for Zeleski in Ndjoku, Aughton,
and Waller. You look at Dwayne McFarland, who we haven't
talked about his team. We should really talk about his
team coming up here pretty quick Coastland, Loveland, Mason Taylor,
and Juwan Johnson. I think that'll be the jumping off

(01:35:20):
point here. So he waits until round eight. And by
the way, Dwayne McFarland, who is a huge fantasy star
at Fantasy Life right now. He got his start on
the High Stakes Fantasy Football Our podcast like a decade
or so ago when we had him on to talk FFPC,
and you can just tell this guy was a brilliant
guy from the get go and he's been crushing with

(01:35:40):
Fantasy Life Loveland, Taylor and Juan Johnson. Farrell waiting until
round eight to draft this first one and then rating
until waiting until round fourteen to draft the second one.
And oh, by the way, his top two tight ends
are rookies. Maybe this is a pick to win strategy
one of these guys, and maybe both of them could
pop off this year for Dwayne, I.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Neither one.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
No, I don't think so. I don't think that's a
strategy that you can that you can utilize to work
through these eleven competitors that you have. I could be wrong.
I would like to see what was the where was
the value added by punting tied in to this point.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
Well, he pounded receivers early on with with Lamb mcmcconkie,
Hunter and Olave.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
That's great, that's great advantage really and that helps.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Now, now I'll say this too, Let's look at his
running backs. He's got Bryce Hall and he's got Caleb
Johnson as his top two CAYLEB Johnson. I'm more down
on Johnson. I think I'd rather have Jalen Warren at
cost rather than than Caleb Johnson. This year, he gets
quin Shawn Judkins in the tenth. Now he does back
that up with Dylan Sampson in the twelve. If you're

(01:36:53):
taking quin Shawn Judkins in the tenth knowing how you know,
undecided his situation is right now legally, do you think
drafting Sampson in the twelfth is enough? Or do you
think you need Ford. How would you handle that if
you're taking Judkins Ferrell.

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
We had a commentary earlier about a Cleveland Brown stack,
and that's how I would handle that. Okay, always stay
away from it. But I see Titians here, and I
see titiands that he could have possibly gotten later, like
likely who has a terrific upside in case anything happens
with Andrews. Henry, who sixty eight catches last year, should

(01:37:32):
see more end zone this year. The aforementioned THEO Joe.
There's just a lot of guys that I like better
than what he did at this position.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Dana Motto's team, we have not talked about his squad
as well tonight. Let's talk about it right now, because
Sean Green says on YouTube he's not sure he's a
fan of it. Steph Miller also said that her least
favorite team in this draft to night is indeed Dana
Motto's team. I can't show the whole board on here,
but I can tell you right now the running backs

(01:38:03):
are Derrick Henry, James Cook, Alvin Kamara, Javonte Williams, Jerome Ford,
Zach Boss. I have no problems with that backfield that
that's pretty strong. The receivers a mon Ross, damp Brown,
George Pickens, Stefan Diggs, Cooper Cupp and Joshua Palmer a
little bit weak there, tight ends Travis Kelcey, Dalton k
and Kate Hunter Henry. I think that's fine. The quarterbacks,
he's going volume here, Jared Goff's DJ Stroud, Aaron Rodgers,

(01:38:26):
Russell Wilson. I think the Russell Wilson pick might have
been overkilled. I think he might have been fine with
with those three quarterbacks. I think this team lives and
dies with the receivers. Pharreh Saint. Brown is coming off
that offseason knee surgery, which we think is at least
I think it's gonna be fine. Pickens is now the
number two option, maybe the number three option in Dallas

(01:38:49):
as opposed to being, you know, the number one in Pittsburgh.
Diggs is still coming off that acl Cooper Cupp looked
like dust towards the end of last season. So and
Joshua Palmer late. I mean, I I don't know that
sort of a wild card there. But when you talk
about the receivers here on this team, I'm not worried
about any other position for Dana model as much as

(01:39:09):
I am about these white ups.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
Yeah, but these are some of the better names of
fantasy football over the last few years, and Dan probably
thinks that in his twelfth position here that they are
falling to him. These are some of the guys that
he has previously drafted and lived with, and he feels
successful with them. I'm probably higher on golf than you

(01:39:33):
and terp are, especially in this format, because I love
I think golf scores big when he's at home.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
I can see why some of the drafters don't or
some of the chat room players don't necessarily engage with
this team because there's a lot a lot not a
lot of newness in it. However, I think all of
these players still got a lot of game left in the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Other squad I wanted to talk about here, I thought
that we were done and I'm gonna get to the
Go Bills guys.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
In a second.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
I thought we were done at tight end with Gretchen
Stiegel here at the ninth spot, after Hockins and Warren
and Craft went to him in the first eight rounds.
All three of those guys. They've added Harold Fannon in
the eighteenth round. Faralll a guy that I like adding
in my KFFFC Best Balls late as a number three
tight end. Yeah, maybe he's nothing. Maybe it's a red

(01:40:31):
shirt ear for him be playing behind David and Joku,
But man, I just I look at what those young
quarterbacks might be doing, if it's Gabriel or if it's Sanders,
and how they might lock on to a player like
Fannon who was drafted with him, who might be working
with them right now. As you know, with the second
unit in training camp, there's a familiarity there. I don't

(01:40:53):
know if I would have done it with Siegel and
Gretch's team here, but Harold fannin Late is definitely somebody
I can get on board with this in a best
ball format.

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
I agree with you, Baggie. I love Harold fans athleticisms.
I don't know if we can call Bowling Green that
much of a smaller college. I don't know how we
via the MAC, but scouts seem to love the players
that come out of there, and yeah, he's he's got
some classic tight end skills that could translate to the field.

(01:41:22):
Nothing wrong with this pick in this format, especially Helly
just couldn't decide who else he wanted, so why not.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
We talked about Barani, Constantino and Constantino and Stutsman's Gold
Bills franchise, the former back to back winners in twenty
twenty one and twenty twenty two of the FFPC main event.
We talked about their draft early gent Brian Thomas, Josh
allen Worthy, and they've added Treveion Henderson, David Montgomery, Jalen Wright,
todgebrooks Keaton Mitchell to that backfield, Ridley Khalil, shakir At Guka. Obviously,

(01:41:53):
we talked about Trey Harris. I think was a little
bit early for my liking, but I represent I recognize that,
Excuse me, I recognize the upside that Trey Harris is
going to have there. They have not gone back to
the receiver. Well since then, we'll see what they're going
to do here in the nineteenth maybe they add somebody here,
but they've been pounding tight ends the second half of
the draft, barrel none in the first nine rounds and

(01:42:14):
then they get your new smith Brenton Strange, Da Chavian
Sanders and Dalton Schultz. If you are going to avoid
tight ends in the top nine rounds, do you feel
like you have the draft four of.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
Them here, well, then you overpay for it. And these
guys are not going to put up Smith possibly, but
these guys are generally not going to put up the
kind of numbers. And Schultz Shil's career is declining in Houston.
I admire the player a lot. He had some drop
issues last year. No, this is why you don't avoid

(01:42:49):
tidy end in the first half of the draft, because
you've spent four spots on it to the expense of
some of the other positions, and they're not They're not
gonna get enough points out at least guys.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
I'm just looking at this right now? Am I seeing
this right? I think I am. They have nineteen players
on their roster, Farrell. Twelve of those nineteen are either
rookies or second year players on this squad. So what
did what did Sammy Hagar say? Youth is king and

(01:43:27):
it certainly was here in for the Go Bills franchise
ja Cory Krossky Merrit by the way, joining him, and
Sean Green said, that's a great pick. I don't know
what to think about Krossky Merrit. Have you made up
your mind on what this guy is? I I've drafted
Austin Eckler a few times, Brian Robinson a few times.
I don't know how Crosskey Merritt fits in in year one,

(01:43:47):
unless I mean, maybe he fits in if one of
those guys goes down. I just I haven't been getting
a whole lot of JCM so far.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
I've drafted him early. It's a wait and see approach.
I like the skill set, and that's about all I
can say about it. I'm still in the same place
that I was pre draft and post draft with it.
It's neither. It's neither plus or minus. It's not someone
I'm targeting. He kind of falls in the He kind

(01:44:16):
of falls in the place with me. With the young
running back down that Houston what's his name, Marx, Yeah,
May mar These are guys I like for no particular
reason other than their makeup and the teams that like them.
I admire the scouting staffs that draft them, and they're
not the only scouting staffs that would have so all

(01:44:37):
in all, I think that's uh. I see nothing wrong
with this pick. You know, what's our old friend that's
talked about the double digit drafts, the draft picks. There
are no bad draft picks U after. I think they
fall into that category.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
So we have not talked about, in my opinion, enough
about the Hooks squad from round ten to night, and
I do want to focus in on that for a
minute or two. Ben and Randall hook were drafting from
the ten hole and they kick things off with Trey
McBride and then they got a lot of pass catchers
after that, Farrell Collins, Adams, Jameson Williams, Flowers, Jaden Reid.

(01:45:20):
What I want to focus on here is not this
good group of receivers, which I think they have. I
don't want to focus necessarily on McBride, and likely they're
only two tight ends. They're on the clock with their
final pick here. We'll see if they add a third
tight end or not. Even if they don't, I think
they're okay. I like the quarterbacks and Murray Love and Shook.
What I want to focus in on here is something

(01:45:41):
you said earlier in the broadcast where you like drafting
running backs early because they dry up. Kyron Williams in
the third, Tony Pollard in the seventh. That was it
for them until round twelve, and then they pound Eckler,
Ray Davis, Ric O'dowdell brayln Allen, Devin Neil. I know
you don't necessarily like those guys. Can that strategy work

(01:46:06):
drafting volume with running backs in the second half of
the draft in the best ball format, even if you
only have Kyen Williams and Tony Poler to count on.
I feel like you're either too like that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
That's why I don't like it. However, Davis and Eckler,
and it's it's hard to figure what Eckler's year is
going to look like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
I think they made the best of it if that
was their strategy, and so I applaud them for that.
Not for me, it's just, uh, that's just one of
the things that I just don't want to do. And
I love these receivers. I probably one of the problems
is personally, if I don't go more running backs in

(01:46:45):
the top ten rounds, I'm going to find so many
receivers that I love that I'm going to start the
season with not enough running backs and just yeah, you
know that will be my problem because I can't take
a Devin Neil when some of these wide receivers are
still available.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Uh farrel Earlier, when we were talking about Stacey Perez's
team from the from the five spot. Can't him ill?
She said, listen, this is you got to focus in on. Mike.
Schope was the only one who didn't. That was because
he could turn his draft over to his co manager.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
Stacey took Higgins in the third, Joe Burrow in the fourth.
And I said, you know the other thing that that
opens yourself up to grabbing Burrow and already having Higgins
is you can add another Bengals player later on. And
I was thinking maybe Jermaine Burton or Mike is SICKI well,
she fooled me and she got Yoshavas in in the
nineteenth round. So she does have this Bengals stack here

(01:47:39):
of Higgins, Burrow and Yoshavas. Will that carrier in the
first place in this league. That's not for me to say.
I just I think that was interesting, uh, that that
she capped off a really solid draft with Yoshavas and
then and then Sean Tucker in the twentieth round here too.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
Well, she has red hair and she's stubborn, but that's
that's that's part of it. I did you know look
at her time. Those are some interesting cast right. Yeah. Yeah,
she's a bit of a homer down there in Florida.
So she know she's she's got quiet and tuck her
and and you know she she's truly drafting in the

(01:48:13):
second part of this draft. Her guys, if she had
called in, I would have asked her if she would
have taken Pittman over Downs, and then we would have
thought about it. But all in all, I think she
did a very, very solid, and they'll beyond solid, a
very very competitive job of drafting tonight. I applaud her efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
It's very good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
This this draft definitely did not let me down. It
lived up to the hype for sure. We have a
lot of strong teams. We saw some things that I
did not expect from some of the pros. We saw
some things that quite frankly, I didn't expect from some
of the Joe's and I think that was part of
a result of having so much talent in one draft.
And this is the perfect way to end week one

(01:48:55):
of the pros versus Joe's competition. We'll be back next
week and I'll tell you more about that in a second,
But before I do, Ferrell, I want to give you
the opportunity here KFFSC dot com. We are coming up
on Northern Kentucky here in less than a month. We
are coming up on Louisville in about a month or so,
and we got plenty of online stuff going on at
KFFSC dot com as well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
We do and the response has been very, very strong
from the listeners and a number of new players coming in.
We've talked to a couple of the old guys this
year that have actually chosen to retire. We're gonna miss
them terribly. But the thing that keeps our group together
is the continuity of the people that play in the league.
Every year. It's a celebration of having them here. And

(01:49:39):
you know, we just Michael joined based on the krowdworsh
referral and that's what it's about. And we'd like to
invite you know, Scott Fritz, who has joined us on
the show, picked out two teams this week and he's
coming up just for one day, but we have a
three day activity there at Caesar Southern Indiana, which is

(01:50:00):
our Louisville home for drafting, and we have the Sunday
previous to that in Northern Kentucky at the Cincinnati Airport Marriott,
and we've got spaces still available. We'll find a way
to get you in live where you can be part
of this. We've opened up the Big Paybag Bulky at
four point thirty Eastern time on Sunday afternoon. We've opened

(01:50:21):
that up for some virtual drafters. And the difference of
drafting online while the other members are drafting live is
that you will get to bid for your draft spot
along with the live players. So if you want that
Jamar Chase, you can stand up and use your fab
money to get in.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
One of the things we don't talk about enough in Kentucky.
You could use your fab money to buy whatever draft
slot you want. It's each each slot is auction off.
It's a lot of fun. You can join us live
or online KFFS dot com. See in Northern Kentucky, See
in Louisville. Hopefully you're there. Mike schop will be in
Louisville this year, which I'm looking forward to seeing him
as well. Farrell another great show tonight. We will continue

(01:51:00):
to check out everything in all the leagues at KFFFC
dot com. You and I will reconvene this Friday with
Rob Thomasino, who drafted in the Sunday Night draft this
year on the High Snakes Fantasy Footballer. I will talk
to you then my friend see you. That is Ferrell Elliott,
the definitive Commissioner of Fantasy Football ladies and gentlemen, and
that will complete our broadcast tonight of pros Versus Joe's

(01:51:21):
Number three. Wow, so much fun. I want to thank
so many people, Mike Shop, Darren Armani, Dave Tripoli, Farrel Elliott,
the FFPC, our producer and mutual friend Rob or audio engineer,
my best friend Bryce, and of course all of you
viewers and listeners checking this out. Now, here's what's going
on the rest of the week. So Thursday, pros Versus

(01:51:41):
Joe's is going to take a respite until Sunday. Tell
you more about that in a second Insider Access presented
by the FFPC on the Better Sports Network is going
to air seven o'clock until nine o'clock this Thursday night.
I'll be hosting along with Ryan Kramer from the Sports
Gambling podcast. Ryan Kramer will be drafting in pros Versus
Joes next week, so we'll get early preview what he's
thinking there as well as how he's taking in all

(01:52:03):
this news from training camp. So that is this Thursday
and then Friday. As I said, Rob Tomasino, multiple time
FFPC League champ, he joins us as our guest on
the High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour at ten pm Eastern
Time this Friday, myself and Ferrell Elliott. Then Saturday no show,
but Sunday we're back at it with pros versus Joe's
number four. This is the Iron Maiden Draft. It will

(01:52:24):
be at eight o'clock Sunday night. The jos include Brian Lindo,
Jeff Cuzmano, Albert and Kyle Leach, Petri and Larson. Brad
Petrye and Darren Larson will be in this as well
Dennis and Stephen Jones. Billy van Warmer, former guest of
this show. He'll be drafting, as well as Vince staff Alino,
who you just heard on the road of his High
Stakes Lowdown a couple of weeks ago. So tough Joe

(01:52:47):
crowd and they will be going up against the pros.
Sigmund Bloom from Football Guys, Marisio Gutierrez from a Stylio Fantasy,
Josh Hayes from Rotoballer, Dan Williamson and Bradley Stallder the
Stack Hunters from Player Profiler will be drafted. Michael Leone
will be drafting as well from Establish the Run, and
then Justin Boone now of Yahoo is going to be drafting.

(01:53:07):
That's gonna be fun. Justin Boone actually is going to
be making an appearance on Insider Access next month as well,
So very excited to have him make his debut. Maybe
we'll even get a pre interview with him on Sunday night.
Main event draft slot with the FFPC deadline is this
coming Sunday. Make sure you have your teams all lined
up so you get your draft slot early on August third.

(01:53:28):
Multiple big Gorilla drafts filling up each and every day.
Main event drafts are often running as well the Best
Ball Tournament in the Super Flex Bestball Tournament. If you're
still in Best Ball season, hey, that's cool. We got
to fill up those tournaments as well, and they've been
filling up, so take your chance. There one hundred and
twenty five or thirty five dollars to enter, and you're
looking at a three hundred thousand dollars and one hundred
thousand dollars grand prizes respectively. Their dynasty startups going on

(01:53:51):
and then plenty of close twelve team leagues always going
on at my FFPC dot com. Thank you so much
for watching, everybody. This channel will be live again on
Thursday for ff PC insider access. Pros versus Joes resumed
eight pm Sunday Night, Pharah, myself, Terp and so many more.
Hope you can join us. Thanks for watching tonight. Really
appreciate each and every one of you. Your week officially

(01:54:12):
continues now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
This has been another episode of the Hot Stakes Fantasy
Football Hour, presented by my FFPC dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
It was broadcast live and was watched around the world.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
Bulky and Farrell will be back next week with more analysis,
more interviews, add more advice from guests much smarter than
they are.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Thanks for watching, and we'll talk with you again next week.
And I'm not just pandering to you. The audience that
we had the live audience tonight on YouTube was awesome.
On Facebook, on Ax, it was fantastic. Thank you so
much for your support. Makes these pro verses Joe's drafts

(01:55:00):
much more fun and we're gonna have more fun next week.
Three down, three to go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
It is the kickoff to fantasy football season get in
some drafts right now with the FFPC to celebrate, and
I'll see in those draft rooms

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