May 22, 2025 • 32 mins
Diana C. Toman is a global legal and strategy consultant. She's also a heart-driven badass - the mantra she coined during her week at the Hoffman Process.
For much of Diana's career, she hid her softness and kindness, fearing she'd be seen as weak. She would hide her generous heart at work, fearing she would be seen as soft in her role at work. But because she is generous and caring, she would continue to act on her generosity outside of work as long as the recipients kept it quiet.
Misalignment causes tension and takes its toll. This is why Diana came to the Process. During her week there, Diana was able to claim her softness and marry it with her badass business acumen. What a powerful combination!
The Process, though, brought more healing into Diana's life. Her husband has done the Process, and together they've completed the Hoffman Couples Retreat. Through this work and using the tools regularly, they've come through a rough time, and out the other side of a rough time, they are closer and better able to navigate the life challenges they face together.
We hope you enjoy this powerful episode with Diana and Sadie.
More about Diana C. Toman:
Diana Toman is a seasoned global legal and strategy consultant, founder of Toman Advisory Group, LLC, and a former Fortune 500 Chief Legal Officer. As a trusted advisor to boards of directors, C-suite executives, and functional teams, Diana guides clients through a myriad of global business, legal, and governance issues while also leading their organic and acquisitive growth. She is an influential, solutions-oriented leader who actively partners with clients to achieve their corporate objectives and reduce risks. Leveraging years of experience building high-achieving teams and inspiring the best in people through a foundation of integrity, trust, communication, and purpose, Diana serves as an executive coach to accomplished leaders and board of directors.
Married and a mother of two, Diana is a Hoffman graduate and resides in Overland Park, Kansas. She is deeply committed to community service and has served on various boards of directors. She volunteers with numerous nonprofit organizations focused on education, human needs, and art. A commitment to empowering individuals and organizations, while balancing strategic insights with a dedication to ethical leadership, guides Diana’s professional and volunteer work. While at the Hoffman Process, Diana coined the mantra, "Heart Driven Badass." At the Process, she aligned her heart and intellect. That balance has been instrumental in her personal growth journey.
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Dr. Michelle Robin
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I think it was just the piece that
came along with the whole thing and knowing,
oh, this is really good for me. And
I kinda felt high, like, afterwards,
and and not even afterwards, pretty early on,
third day or something, I was like, I
really needed this. This is really good. I
feel really recharged.
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And I think there's some realization that I
was pretty darn burnout,
and Hoffman was the start of fixing that,
healing that.
Hello, and welcome to Love's Everyday Radius, a
podcast brought to you by the Hoffman Institute.
My name is Sadie Hanna, and in this
podcast, you'll hear real conversations and stories with
graduates
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about their courageous journey inward and how their
love and light are living in the world
around them. Love's everyday radius.
Thank you for being here and welcome.
Hey, everyone, and welcome. I'm here with Diana
Toman.
Diana, why don't you begin by telling us
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a bit about who you are?
So I am a mother of two
soon to be, an empty nester. I am
an attorney.
I am a daughter. I am a friend.
And I would say I'm an intellect who
has,
in the past,
primarily focused on her intellect and really hidden
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my heart from the world in many instances.
So those who would be close to me
knew my heart and those who
saw me in more of a professional light
did not necessarily always see that part of
me, the softy side, because I thought I
was hiding it. I
am someone who really cares about her community
and her faith, feels like it's my responsibility
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to give back. It's very important to me.
And also I like to have fun. And
so I'm up for,
you know, a good time and to try
new things. I love to learn. I love
to read, and I love to explore the
world. I've been to 70 different countries and
counting and always up for, you know, a
last minute trip somewhere to take on a
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new adventure.
Lovely.
I would love to dive right into that
piece you mentioned about an intellect who hid
my heart.
Tell us a bit more about
how you came to hide your heart
and rely more on your intellect. I think
this is a really common experience.
You know, I was always known as doing
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very well in school,
scholarships.
I graduated undergrad in three years with a
double major.
So I was very go go go kind
of person and very focused on achievement
and climbing the corporate ladder and this great
sense of success. And, you know, when I
went through the Hoffman process, I really recognized
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where that stemmed from and then how it
infiltrated my life.
You know, as a child, my parents
dropped out of college to get married, much
to the disappointment particularly of my dad's parents,
and they were sure to tell me that
regularly
my entire life. And so there's a lot
of expectations. And what I realized is it
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was my job to kind of validate
my parents' marriage. But I didn't realize that
at the time, I was just trying to
be successful. The meet the definition, I would
say, of my grandparents'
success of what they expected, particularly of my
father.
And so I knew before I became a
lawyer, I knew I wanted to be a
lawyer. I knew I wanted to work in
a corporation and mix business and law.
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And that path really led me to very
male dominated industries, manufacturing,
and I climbed the ladder
very, very fast.
Not that I didn't work, I worked seventy
to eighty hours a week,
but the expectation wasn't to bring my feminine
side to the office, certainly as I was
climbing the ladder. But I would say even
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when I hit the top rung or how
I define the top rung at that time,
And in doing so,
showing your heart was weakness. It made me
different.
It made me not fit in. And so
when I did show my heart, it was
very behind the scenes.
I had an employee once who worked for
me who lost her car. Her car was
repossessed, and I had the money to help
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her. And I did, but I did it
on the condition that she couldn't tell anyone
that I helped her because I truly believed
it would be used against me. And in
that environment, I think it probably would have
been. But
I saw a person who was in need.
My family gives as I said, I'm very
community oriented, so my family gives to charitable
organizations that help someone. And here's a single
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mom with three kids who doesn't have a
car to get to work or take her
kids. So to me, it seemed like a
no brainer,
but that no brainer came in with not
letting anyone else know that this is how
I approached
the world or how my, where my values
were and the times those were exposed,
it was to my detriment and I learned
that and so I hit that. And so
my family,
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my friends, people who are close to me
knew that part of me.
But on the professional side, it was hidden.
And so at some point, it kind of
got infiltrated
to starting to be more even on my
personal side where I started, I think, to
be a little bit more reserved and a
little bit less me. And I think that's
what brought me to Hoffman because I knew
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it wasn't right. So I'm hearing in what
you're saying,
this tension
between
where you can be open and caring and
maybe
a bit more
soft. Maybe that's not the right word.
It would probably be the right word in
the environments that I worked at. And I
wanna be clear that not all manufacturing environments
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are that way, and there's amazing people that
work in a manufacturing environments, but soft in
the environments that I worked in would definitely
be exploited.
So I think you're describing something, you know,
even all the way back to with your
parents
where there's an expectation
of how you
should be in the world. And it sounds
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like from an early age, you felt the
sense that you needed to be successful in
some way
in order to validate them and their choice.
Is that what you're saying?
Absolutely. And my mom was a very big
softy. My mom had the hugest heart, and
she used to tell me that I had
her heart too. I just like to hide
it, and I think that's very true. But
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even in a young age, not only did
I have the drive to be successful, but
my dad traveled a lot and my mom
could be taken advantage of by numerous people.
So even at eight, nine, 10 years old,
I was my mom's protector and my siblings
protector as well. And so that was kind
of my dad tapped me on the shoulder
because he felt like I was most like
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him
to make sure that things went okay. And
I think that was a high sense of
responsibility.
He didn't intentionally share that with me, but
he certainly did put that on my shoulders
to be the responsible one and and the
protector.
So I hear us actually starting to
look at
little Diana,
who she really is, and what are the
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parts of her that she learned to be
based on what she needed to be in
her family. And this
is really the crux of the work we
do at the process,
separating out
who am I versus who did I learn
to be or who did I have to
become
in order to fit into my family system.
I know you've now done the process.
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Looking back on it, where do you see
that blend of who you learned to be
versus who you were? I think I had
that internal drive. It's absolutely there. I don't
think that that was something that
was forced upon me. But what I do
think is that it was recognized in me
and pushed and pushed really hard.
Schoolwork was very, very important, doing very well
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at school.
B's were not
acceptable because I had the capability, so I
was very intelligent as well. And so there
was that expectation
that I performed,
was the shining star, a pluses were expected.
So
again, I think that was part of who
I am. I think my intellect was there.
I think that my drive was there, but
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it was certainly,
it took a strength and made it a
bit more excessive.
I think I was a pretty serious kid
in the grand scheme of things, but I
at the same time always had close relationships.
So, you know, I've always kind of had
a ripple effect of friendships. I'd have the
people who are really, really close to me
know most about me, although I generally seem
to keep some to
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myself. So I don't let people fully in,
at least I hadn't in the past.
But I was invited all the birthday parties
and all the activities, so I always felt
very included and had a broad array of
friends.
So I think the social part and people
enjoying my company was there. But at the
same time, there was a very serious side
that could read books. So it's just kind
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of a mix, I guess.
The other thing I know about you is
you really do have the biggest heart.
How did you learn to harden that in
order to
achieve
professionally?
I'm a very observant person. And so I
pay attention to interactions and what it takes
to be successful. I'm also very, very goal
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oriented. So it's like, okay, here's the plan.
How do I achieve that?
Watching
people who expose their hearts, it's accepted, it's
certainly in the communities that I've worked in
to give to nonprofits and be engaged. But
that deep connection,
most people don't show that. Right? It's more
more about writing a check or being on
the board.
I also had, I guess, the first female
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boss that I had, I was
a corporate counsel and she was the associate
general counsel.
She was tough and she was really respected
and
maybe a little
socially awkward in the context. But what I
know now is I have gone through Hoffman
and also reflected on that. I think she
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had a really huge heart, but I was
too young to really appreciate
why she behaved the way she behaved.
But I tried to emulate that in many
ways of going okay, if I'm gonna, I'm
gonna keep up and I'm gonna achieve my
goals, then I can't be overly feminine. I'm
sure I can wear a dress, but at
the same time,
I can't be soft or share my heart.
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That's what it's gonna take to get to
the c suite. And that was my goal,
and I achieved it twice. And I feel
really proud about that, But it came at
a cost.
As you're describing
having an open heart, but hiding it.
I'm wondering
what other words we can use
to fill in and describe open heart because
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even that can have different meanings. So what
did you really have to turn down the
volume on
in order to present
in the way you thought you should or
needed to,
to be successful? I just wanna go a
little deeper with that question.
I would say certainly my empathy
as the head lawyer in various different roles.
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I was responsible for when safety incidences happened,
protecting the company. When employees were terminated,
protecting the company. First and foremost, even if
I didn't agree with the terminations,
mass layoffs,
all of those things, they really impacted me
I felt for those people, and I had
compassion for them. But the role I had
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to play was to be very protective of
the company. And so
how to interact with them when you're even
negotiate, for example, negotiating a severance or working
with a family when someone has been deceased.
That didn't mean I wasn't friendly and respectful
or warm.
But at the same time,
my ultimate responsibility was to protect the company.
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Not every company wants to do what's the
right thing to do. They want to do
what they have to do, and they wanna
minimize their liability.
And so in doing that, I had to
play a role. So there were many enough
employees that I was tough in negotiating maybe
their severance as to what the company
wanted to pay or what have you, whether
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or not it was my option. It was
my job to make it happen.
But then being known to be the person
behind the scenes that reached out to that
person after everything was done, after I did
my job and the company was protected,
how can I help you? Can I be
a reference for you? Do you need somebody
to talk to? Those kinds of things, but
also every time asking, please don't share that
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I'm doing this. It's important to me. I
value, I care about you, but
my job prevents me or the environment that
I worked in prevented me from being that
person. So often there was a cutoff. If
you terminated somebody, they were like dead to
the company, at least the companies that I
worked for. And that's not true everywhere,
but some of the old school traditional manufacturing
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companies.
Absolutely. And I just felt like there was
a different way to handle it. And so
the one time that I tried to handle
something similar with that employee who worked for
me,
I was told that I was too soft
and
nobody terminates people this way. And
I literally helped the person out with a
performance improvement plan and helped them get a
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job at the same time. So
in my mind, I actually helped the company
because we didn't have to pay a termination
and I helped set that person up for
a job that was much better suited for
them. So I felt really good about that,
but it was something that impacted me that
I wasn't
hard enough as a leader or I should
have just terminated the person. While in my
mind, I was gonna pay that sixty day
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period anyway, and severance
would have paid a lot more actually.
Why not try and help the person find
the best place for them, even if it
wasn't on my team? And so those are
kind of some examples of times where I
learned, okay, you gotta do it behind the
scenes if you're gonna do those things, Especially
as a woman in a very male dominated
industry, I was the only female executive
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often in my career or or the most
senior.
It was viewed as a weakness.
You are describing something that we often refer
to as a push pull
In a situation where you've learned a certain
set of strategies,
patterns
from one parent and almost like an opposing
from the other parent, you can feel this
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inner conflict
between those two.
Take us to the point that you decided
to come to the process. What happened that
brought you first day into that room? How
did you make that decision?
So not quite a year before
I quit my job, I was a fortune
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five hundred chief legal officer. So the top
rung of what I aspire to be professionally,
I was having a mini personal
crisis with my husband and my children.
I was commuting between Kansas City and Pittsburgh,
which is not a direct flight in the
middle of COVID. And it really had its
toll on my family, and particularly
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on my husband's health. So I made that
decision.
It shocked
even some of my closest friends because it
was maybe a decision that was coming, but
I had a light bulb moment and knew
that it needed to happen.
And so in that eight months or so
between when that happened and when I joined
Hoffman, I was looking for
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opportunities to balance my life for phase two,
and really taking a step back and setting,
okay, well, you achieved your goal, And did
it bring you happiness or did it almost
cost you everything that's so important in your
life?
And my dear friend, Doctor. Michelle Robin, who's
based in Kansas City, is a huge proponent
of Hoffman. I think she did it over
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twenty five years ago, and I call her
my big sis. And she's guided me through
this really
personal self healing, personal growth journey and for
the last several years. And she's like, it's
time, Diana, you need to do Hoffman, you
need to do Hoffman.
And she also recommended that my husband do
it too. And we had planned for my
husband to do it first and then for
me to do it. But things happen. And
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he ended up doing it several months after
I did it. But it was my birthday
present to me. So I did it the
August
and really came in pretty
open for whatever was going to be. I
really wanted a self discovery moment of saying,
okay,
you did everything you set out to be.
Is it that what you wanna still be
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doing, or do you wanna do something different?
And who do you wanna be? Like, make
sure, like, for the next half of your
life, so I was in my early forties,
make sure that this is who you wanna
be. You know, obviously, Sadie, you're my coach,
which was perfect for me,
and it was an amazing
experience. And I definitely feel like I got
everything out of it that I wanted to
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get out of it, plus more than I
even expected.
But it was time and it came at
the right time in my life. Michelle had
recommended it to me a couple years before
and I was like, I don't know if
I can give up my phone. I don't
know if I can I have the time
to do that? I don't know. That's really
where I wanna focus.
In fact, instead of going to the Hoffman
process two years prior when I had some
time off, I just traveled and almost just
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played. I just kind of played for six
months. And that was probably exactly what I
needed to do at the time. And then
Hoffman came when I was in the self
reflecting room.
Tell us something
that you discovered
maybe that surprised you
that opened
your heart
that
brought you to a place of insight or
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inspiration.
I definitely think the heart part
was a big
light bulb moment for me. I think, as
you may recall, I kind of came up
with this
phrase that I was gonna be a heart
driven badass
because I think I'd been so focused on
being a badass. And I don't think I
realized that I lost my heart along the
way because I still cared about people and
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I still was very involved in my community
and I love my children.
But I did not realize
how much I was checking out of my
own life and not really enjoying it. So
I'd say that was a pretty big light
bulb moment. I knew I wasn't super happy,
but I wasn't unhappy.
And really, I kinda signed up because Michelle
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encouraged it and I wanted my husband to
go because I thought he needed it more
than he. And so I wasn't gonna force
him into or force force is the wrong
word. Encourage him to do something that I
wasn't willing to do myself, and so we
could have a shared language. But
I realized how much I was going through
the motions of my life. I wouldn't have
told you that would have been the case
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prior.
Can you actually tell me a story
where you realized
I need this?
I just had such peace
while I was at the process. You know,
lawyers are skeptical people, and I was skeptical
person. But there was nothing we did.
I just went in within this is my
choice, and I wanna explore this, and I
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wanna try this. And so even if I
was like, I don't know about all that,
I told myself, no. We're gonna try it.
And so I think it was just the
piece that came along with the whole thing
and knowing, oh, this is really good for
me.
And I kinda felt high, like, afterwards
and and not even afterwards, pretty early on
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third day or something. I was like,
I really needed this. This is really good.
I feel really recharged.
And I think there's some realization that I
was pretty darn burnout.
And Hoffman was the start of
fixing that healing that. And so
it was clear to me I needed it.
It was also clear to me that I
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needed to show up differently for my children,
and that I was sharing patterns that I
had been taught.
I knew I needed it for me, but
when I had some light bulb moments
about my children and the value that it
was going to be for them, just how
I was gonna show up differently for them,
then I knew I really needed to. And
I'll just share this one thing. The person
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who sat next to me was 21. Her
dad and step mom had done the the
process. You know, my kids were a few
years younger than her, but seeing kind of
what the experience was for her parents and
then how it was impacting her. And we
did many of the activities together. And I
just loved that experience because
engaging with her
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helped me go, okay, this is how I'm
gonna engage differently with my children. And this
is how I can show up differently.
At a minimum, it was good for me,
but it was also really good for me
as a parent, and that happened day three,
four, probably.
I just wanna pause and go back to
I felt high. If you were to attach
an emotion word to that,
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what would it be? And what do you
think was the source of it?
Excited, I would say,
because I remember that I really like myself
and that I'm a fun person, and I
can be a fun person.
And then I have more to give than
my achievements.
I like myself for things that aren't my
achievements where I think that that was certainly
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a big focus of how I gathered self
love was through my achievements. And so
going,
oh, I really liked my heart. I really,
I really liked my personality. I really like
how I care about people and how I
can be silly and playful. And some of
those things that I had probably buried and
only showed themselves every once in a while,
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it felt like I was getting rid of
some shackles that I maybe put on myself
or allowed others. So free. Felt free.
Free. Excited.
It's interesting because sometimes people think about
healing work as being difficult and painful.
And it's certainly not easy,
and it can be painful, but you're describing
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experience of
excitement
and rediscovery
of self love.
Tell me more about that.
Absolutely. So I'm a lifelong learner, so I'm
always like, how can I get better? How
can I be the best version of myself?
So I've done a lot of work, if
you will, on myself. But
what Hoffman did for me, I knew I
was perfectionist. I think I was probably a
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bit of a workaholic.
I knew I lacked self compassion.
I have lots of compassion for other people,
but for me, like a typo is, you
know, very stressful.
And so I knew all of those things,
but I don't think I ever figured out
a path despite all the coaching or guidance
for mentoring, etcetera,
until Hoffman. Because Hoffman, I understood
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the root cause
of my pattern.
And by understanding the root cause, then when
that creeped in, when I was getting ready
to exhibit my pattern, I could stop myself.
I could redirect.
I could
exercise self compassion when something wasn't perfect and
be like, it's it's good enough, like good
enough is good. It's like anything I would
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do in my regular professional life of you
can't solve a problem if you don't know
the root cause. And so being able to
get to the root cause
was just like this huge weight off of
me because it was almost like a problem
that I was never able to solve,
but didn't necessarily fully realize that it was
a problem at the same time. Right? Like
knew that my perfectionism was
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weakness,
but at the same time, it got me
to where I was. I wouldn't have been
an an executive officer of a public company
in my thirties
Had
I not been that perfectionist, had I not
been that workaholic,
but at the same time,
is that how I wanted to live my
life and understanding to get that balance? And
so I just felt that balance, I guess.
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How do you see that
living in your life now?
So when my inner mean girl comes out,
I would say I stopped her really quickly.
I stopped her really quickly. Yeah, that was
disappointing. I wish yes. I agree. We should
have done better, but we didn't. And so
here's where we're at. But we did all
these other things.
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And so I would say first and foremost,
inner mean girl,
there's a protector that comes in and stops
her, and she doesn't have time to have
the impact on me.
So that's the personal side of things. On
the parenting side,
I have really focused
with both of my children
on
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that achievement. They're both very, very smart,
fun human beings, and I am truly honored
to be their parent.
But I taught them achievement equals self love.
I taught them that achievement might equal my
love, and that certainly was not my
intention or feeling,
but being able to get in front of
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that. And when I see my kids start
to spiral in that achievement area, I'm on
it. It's so counterintuitive for me, but I'm
like, that's okay. You can skip that day.
Like, I'm much more chill on things because
I'm trying to put in
some protection so that they don't go down
there, but at the same time, making sure
that they have expectations of themselves. So that's
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also about, like, I don't care what you
wanna do with your life,
but I want you to be happy with
your choices. So my son, for example, wanted
to be a lawyer and follow in his
mom's footsteps, and he had this realization recently
that he wanted to be a teacher. And
I think he had a lot of shame
associated with that because he's brilliant.
But I was able to say, I think
being a teacher is awesome, and I think
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you'll be a phenomenal teacher and the excitement
the genuine excitement
versus the expectation of what maybe I would
have responded earlier. You'll be a good lawyer.
You'll be a great lawyer.
I think
that is really manifested.
And I also would say I'm pretty mindful
now. Not always. I know I slipped just
as we all do with our phones or
what have you, but
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I catch myself, but also
those around me. Now that my husband has
gone through Hoffman too,
he helps catch me in
a soft way
versus
a nagging way or a way that elicit
shame. It's just like, hey. I don't know.
Are are you are you available now to
talk when maybe we were talking and I
checked out? He brings me back in in
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a way that's loving, and I accept it
in a loving way because I know that's
my better. And I know I can just
kinda check out.
I think I'm being me. I think I'm
living authentically me. I'm doing things that I
want to do. I've changed my career
in a way that
feels great. I'm working with people that I
truly enjoy and love and feel like I'm
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doing good things. I
say no to things
that I don't wanna do even if I
think that they would be good for me
professionally if I or or even personally,
I don't have the energy, so I'm protecting
that a bit more, and really listening to
my body. I think being more in tune
with my body and what it needs and
its responses, physical responses to things
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has been such a great guidepost. I think
I ignored it in the past, and Hoffman
really helped me be more in tune with
my body's responses
that I may have played off or ignored
in the past.
Yes.
What I really hear
is
an integration
of the open heart and the protector.
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You had to open your heart
in order to come in
and protect yourself in that moment.
It's just this beautiful blend of
there's more than just
tough protector.
And yet you haven't lost it because
you do have the ability
now to continue on and be that open
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hearted badass. Right?
Heart driven badass. That's right.
Yes.
So if you could just say one
more thing about your post process integration, that
word integration is coming up.
How have you seen your experience
of self love
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showing up in a in a way that
you're learning from that post process?
I feel like so much of the process
is integrated into my life. But after my
husband did the process, probably six or nine
months later, we did a couple's intensive.
And it was helpful at the time, but
I feel like we had to digest it.
Just like Hoffman, I feel like you have
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all these lessons that come and you're really
excited and then you kinda pull off of
the some of the tools.
But then over time, you like, you're like,
that is totally a Hoffman right there, even
if you're not thinking about it. And so
it really just permeates who you are. And
for
us, particularly in our relationship, what I have
observed is we use many of our Hoffman
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tools and in engaging with each other. And
so
we were pretty close to to the edge
of maybe not making it through this phase
of life together, and we have found this
beautiful way
to
reenergize
our partnership.
And when either one of us goes into
our patterns
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rather than taking it
personally. It's a pause, and it's like, babe,
this is what I heard. Was that your
intention?
Or, hey,
I'm getting really anxious here. I'm this is
how I'm feeling. I need a pause.
Can we talk about it in a little
while? And those are just very small examples
of the things that we're doing.
But what it has happened is
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not only has
Hoffman
enabled me to protect my inner peace and
allow my heart to shine at the same
time, It's also permeated our relationship and then
furthermore with our children. So they're seeing us
go from a really not good place
to working to crawl together out of that.
And then this new healthier
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way that we interact with each other, because
we're still who we are. Right? We still
have our patterns. We still have bad days.
We still have crankiness.
All of those things, they're they how often
does it make them disappear? And it's still
a journey and something you still have to
work at and really commit to.
But
they see how we respond differently and how
we redirect each other and support each other
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in that. And so I just feel like
that's created a bigger piece for our entire
family
and our home. And I think doing that
together is
probably the thing that I'm most proud of
and feel in our lives. Yeah, most often.
This is wonderful.
Thank you. Are there any last things, or
is there anything that you wanted to say
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that we haven't covered?
I guess just thank you. Thank you to
the Hoffman process. Thank you to Michelle for
encouraging me and being my big sis through
this journey.
And thank you to you, Sadie, for
everything that you have done, our friendship and
helping me be the best version of me.
I could not have done it without you,
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and I really appreciate it. And I appreciate
this opportunity to share my journey with others,
and hopefully there are other,
badasses out there that wanna become heart heart
driven badasses.
Thank you so much, Diana Toman. Heart driven
bad ass integration
between two
total different sides
of self into this beautiful place,
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strong,
present,
open, and resilient.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for listening to our podcast. My
name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and
president of Hoffman Institute Foundation.
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And I'm Razzi Grassi,
Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute
Foundation.
Our mission is to provide people greater access
to the wisdom and power of love. In
themselves, in each other, and in the world.
To find out more, please go to hompaninstitute.org.
I think it was just the piece that
came along with the whole thing and knowing,
oh, this is really good for me. And
I kinda felt high, like, afterwards,
and and not even afterwards, pretty early on,
third day or something, I was like, I
really needed this. This is really good. I
feel really recharged.
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And I think there's some realization that I
was pretty darn burnout,
and Hoffman was the start of fixing that,
healing that.
Hello, and welcome to Love's Everyday Radius, a
podcast brought to you by the Hoffman Institute.
My name is Sadie Hanna, and in this
podcast, you'll hear real conversations and stories with
graduates
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about their courageous journey inward and how their
love and light are living in the world
around them. Love's everyday radius.
Thank you for being here and welcome.
Hey, everyone, and welcome. I'm here with Diana
Toman.
Diana, why don't you begin by telling us
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a bit about who you are?
So I am a mother of two
soon to be, an empty nester. I am
an attorney.
I am a daughter. I am a friend.
And I would say I'm an intellect who
has,
in the past,
primarily focused on her intellect and really hidden
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my heart from the world in many instances.
So those who would be close to me
knew my heart and those who
saw me in more of a professional light
did not necessarily always see that part of
me, the softy side, because I thought I
was hiding it. I
am someone who really cares about her community
and her faith, feels like it's my responsibility
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to give back. It's very important to me.
And also I like to have fun. And
so I'm up for,
you know, a good time and to try
new things. I love to learn. I love
to read, and I love to explore the
world. I've been to 70 different countries and
counting and always up for, you know, a
last minute trip somewhere to take on a
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new adventure.
Lovely.
I would love to dive right into that
piece you mentioned about an intellect who hid
my heart.
Tell us a bit more about
how you came to hide your heart
and rely more on your intellect. I think
this is a really common experience.
You know, I was always known as doing
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very well in school,
scholarships.
I graduated undergrad in three years with a
double major.
So I was very go go go kind
of person and very focused on achievement
and climbing the corporate ladder and this great
sense of success. And, you know, when I
went through the Hoffman process, I really recognized
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where that stemmed from and then how it
infiltrated my life.
You know, as a child, my parents
dropped out of college to get married, much
to the disappointment particularly of my dad's parents,
and they were sure to tell me that
regularly
my entire life. And so there's a lot
of expectations. And what I realized is it
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was my job to kind of validate
my parents' marriage. But I didn't realize that
at the time, I was just trying to
be successful. The meet the definition, I would
say, of my grandparents'
success of what they expected, particularly of my
father.
And so I knew before I became a
lawyer, I knew I wanted to be a
lawyer. I knew I wanted to work in
a corporation and mix business and law.
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And that path really led me to very
male dominated industries, manufacturing,
and I climbed the ladder
very, very fast.
Not that I didn't work, I worked seventy
to eighty hours a week,
but the expectation wasn't to bring my feminine
side to the office, certainly as I was
climbing the ladder. But I would say even
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when I hit the top rung or how
I define the top rung at that time,
And in doing so,
showing your heart was weakness. It made me
different.
It made me not fit in. And so
when I did show my heart, it was
very behind the scenes.
I had an employee once who worked for
me who lost her car. Her car was
repossessed, and I had the money to help
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her. And I did, but I did it
on the condition that she couldn't tell anyone
that I helped her because I truly believed
it would be used against me. And in
that environment, I think it probably would have
been. But
I saw a person who was in need.
My family gives as I said, I'm very
community oriented, so my family gives to charitable
organizations that help someone. And here's a single
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mom with three kids who doesn't have a
car to get to work or take her
kids. So to me, it seemed like a
no brainer,
but that no brainer came in with not
letting anyone else know that this is how
I approached
the world or how my, where my values
were and the times those were exposed,
it was to my detriment and I learned
that and so I hit that. And so
my family,
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my friends, people who are close to me
knew that part of me.
But on the professional side, it was hidden.
And so at some point, it kind of
got infiltrated
to starting to be more even on my
personal side where I started, I think, to
be a little bit more reserved and a
little bit less me. And I think that's
what brought me to Hoffman because I knew
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it wasn't right. So I'm hearing in what
you're saying,
this tension
between
where you can be open and caring and
maybe
a bit more
soft. Maybe that's not the right word.
It would probably be the right word in
the environments that I worked at. And I
wanna be clear that not all manufacturing environments
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are that way, and there's amazing people that
work in a manufacturing environments, but soft in
the environments that I worked in would definitely
be exploited.
So I think you're describing something, you know,
even all the way back to with your
parents
where there's an expectation
of how you
should be in the world. And it sounds
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like from an early age, you felt the
sense that you needed to be successful in
some way
in order to validate them and their choice.
Is that what you're saying?
Absolutely. And my mom was a very big
softy. My mom had the hugest heart, and
she used to tell me that I had
her heart too. I just like to hide
it, and I think that's very true. But
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even in a young age, not only did
I have the drive to be successful, but
my dad traveled a lot and my mom
could be taken advantage of by numerous people.
So even at eight, nine, 10 years old,
I was my mom's protector and my siblings
protector as well. And so that was kind
of my dad tapped me on the shoulder
because he felt like I was most like
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him
to make sure that things went okay. And
I think that was a high sense of
responsibility.
He didn't intentionally share that with me, but
he certainly did put that on my shoulders
to be the responsible one and and the
protector.
So I hear us actually starting to
look at
little Diana,
who she really is, and what are the
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parts of her that she learned to be
based on what she needed to be in
her family. And this
is really the crux of the work we
do at the process,
separating out
who am I versus who did I learn
to be or who did I have to
become
in order to fit into my family system.
I know you've now done the process.
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Looking back on it, where do you see
that blend of who you learned to be
versus who you were? I think I had
that internal drive. It's absolutely there. I don't
think that that was something that
was forced upon me. But what I do
think is that it was recognized in me
and pushed and pushed really hard.
Schoolwork was very, very important, doing very well
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at school.
B's were not
acceptable because I had the capability, so I
was very intelligent as well. And so there
was that expectation
that I performed,
was the shining star, a pluses were expected.
So
again, I think that was part of who
I am. I think my intellect was there.
I think that my drive was there, but
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it was certainly,
it took a strength and made it a
bit more excessive.
I think I was a pretty serious kid
in the grand scheme of things, but I
at the same time always had close relationships.
So, you know, I've always kind of had
a ripple effect of friendships. I'd have the
people who are really, really close to me
know most about me, although I generally seem
to keep some to
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myself. So I don't let people fully in,
at least I hadn't in the past.
But I was invited all the birthday parties
and all the activities, so I always felt
very included and had a broad array of
friends.
So I think the social part and people
enjoying my company was there. But at the
same time, there was a very serious side
that could read books. So it's just kind
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of a mix, I guess.
The other thing I know about you is
you really do have the biggest heart.
How did you learn to harden that in
order to
achieve
professionally?
I'm a very observant person. And so I
pay attention to interactions and what it takes
to be successful. I'm also very, very goal
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oriented. So it's like, okay, here's the plan.
How do I achieve that?
Watching
people who expose their hearts, it's accepted, it's
certainly in the communities that I've worked in
to give to nonprofits and be engaged. But
that deep connection,
most people don't show that. Right? It's more
more about writing a check or being on
the board.
I also had, I guess, the first female
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boss that I had, I was
a corporate counsel and she was the associate
general counsel.
She was tough and she was really respected
and
maybe a little
socially awkward in the context. But what I
know now is I have gone through Hoffman
and also reflected on that. I think she
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had a really huge heart, but I was
too young to really appreciate
why she behaved the way she behaved.
But I tried to emulate that in many
ways of going okay, if I'm gonna, I'm
gonna keep up and I'm gonna achieve my
goals, then I can't be overly feminine. I'm
sure I can wear a dress, but at
the same time,
I can't be soft or share my heart.
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That's what it's gonna take to get to
the c suite. And that was my goal,
and I achieved it twice. And I feel
really proud about that, But it came at
a cost.
As you're describing
having an open heart, but hiding it.
I'm wondering
what other words we can use
to fill in and describe open heart because
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even that can have different meanings. So what
did you really have to turn down the
volume on
in order to present
in the way you thought you should or
needed to,
to be successful? I just wanna go a
little deeper with that question.
I would say certainly my empathy
as the head lawyer in various different roles.
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I was responsible for when safety incidences happened,
protecting the company. When employees were terminated,
protecting the company. First and foremost, even if
I didn't agree with the terminations,
mass layoffs,
all of those things, they really impacted me
I felt for those people, and I had
compassion for them. But the role I had
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to play was to be very protective of
the company. And so
how to interact with them when you're even
negotiate, for example, negotiating a severance or working
with a family when someone has been deceased.
That didn't mean I wasn't friendly and respectful
or warm.
But at the same time,
my ultimate responsibility was to protect the company.
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Not every company wants to do what's the
right thing to do. They want to do
what they have to do, and they wanna
minimize their liability.
And so in doing that, I had to
play a role. So there were many enough
employees that I was tough in negotiating maybe
their severance as to what the company
wanted to pay or what have you, whether
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or not it was my option. It was
my job to make it happen.
But then being known to be the person
behind the scenes that reached out to that
person after everything was done, after I did
my job and the company was protected,
how can I help you? Can I be
a reference for you? Do you need somebody
to talk to? Those kinds of things, but
also every time asking, please don't share that
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I'm doing this. It's important to me. I
value, I care about you, but
my job prevents me or the environment that
I worked in prevented me from being that
person. So often there was a cutoff. If
you terminated somebody, they were like dead to
the company, at least the companies that I
worked for. And that's not true everywhere,
but some of the old school traditional manufacturing
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companies.
Absolutely. And I just felt like there was
a different way to handle it. And so
the one time that I tried to handle
something similar with that employee who worked for
me,
I was told that I was too soft
and
nobody terminates people this way. And
I literally helped the person out with a
performance improvement plan and helped them get a
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job at the same time. So
in my mind, I actually helped the company
because we didn't have to pay a termination
and I helped set that person up for
a job that was much better suited for
them. So I felt really good about that,
but it was something that impacted me that
I wasn't
hard enough as a leader or I should
have just terminated the person. While in my
mind, I was gonna pay that sixty day
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period anyway, and severance
would have paid a lot more actually.
Why not try and help the person find
the best place for them, even if it
wasn't on my team? And so those are
kind of some examples of times where I
learned, okay, you gotta do it behind the
scenes if you're gonna do those things, Especially
as a woman in a very male dominated
industry, I was the only female executive
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often in my career or or the most
senior.
It was viewed as a weakness.
You are describing something that we often refer
to as a push pull
In a situation where you've learned a certain
set of strategies,
patterns
from one parent and almost like an opposing
from the other parent, you can feel this
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inner conflict
between those two.
Take us to the point that you decided
to come to the process. What happened that
brought you first day into that room? How
did you make that decision?
So not quite a year before
I quit my job, I was a fortune
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five hundred chief legal officer. So the top
rung of what I aspire to be professionally,
I was having a mini personal
crisis with my husband and my children.
I was commuting between Kansas City and Pittsburgh,
which is not a direct flight in the
middle of COVID. And it really had its
toll on my family, and particularly
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on my husband's health. So I made that
decision.
It shocked
even some of my closest friends because it
was maybe a decision that was coming, but
I had a light bulb moment and knew
that it needed to happen.
And so in that eight months or so
between when that happened and when I joined
Hoffman, I was looking for
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opportunities to balance my life for phase two,
and really taking a step back and setting,
okay, well, you achieved your goal, And did
it bring you happiness or did it almost
cost you everything that's so important in your
life?
And my dear friend, Doctor. Michelle Robin, who's
based in Kansas City, is a huge proponent
of Hoffman. I think she did it over
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twenty five years ago, and I call her
my big sis. And she's guided me through
this really
personal self healing, personal growth journey and for
the last several years. And she's like, it's
time, Diana, you need to do Hoffman, you
need to do Hoffman.
And she also recommended that my husband do
it too. And we had planned for my
husband to do it first and then for
me to do it. But things happen. And
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he ended up doing it several months after
I did it. But it was my birthday
present to me. So I did it the
August
and really came in pretty
open for whatever was going to be. I
really wanted a self discovery moment of saying,
okay,
you did everything you set out to be.
Is it that what you wanna still be
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doing, or do you wanna do something different?
And who do you wanna be? Like, make
sure, like, for the next half of your
life, so I was in my early forties,
make sure that this is who you wanna
be. You know, obviously, Sadie, you're my coach,
which was perfect for me,
and it was an amazing
experience. And I definitely feel like I got
everything out of it that I wanted to
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get out of it, plus more than I
even expected.
But it was time and it came at
the right time in my life. Michelle had
recommended it to me a couple years before
and I was like, I don't know if
I can give up my phone. I don't
know if I can I have the time
to do that? I don't know. That's really
where I wanna focus.
In fact, instead of going to the Hoffman
process two years prior when I had some
time off, I just traveled and almost just
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played. I just kind of played for six
months. And that was probably exactly what I
needed to do at the time. And then
Hoffman came when I was in the self
reflecting room.
Tell us something
that you discovered
maybe that surprised you
that opened
your heart
that
brought you to a place of insight or
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inspiration.
I definitely think the heart part
was a big
light bulb moment for me. I think, as
you may recall, I kind of came up
with this
phrase that I was gonna be a heart
driven badass
because I think I'd been so focused on
being a badass. And I don't think I
realized that I lost my heart along the
way because I still cared about people and
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I still was very involved in my community
and I love my children.
But I did not realize
how much I was checking out of my
own life and not really enjoying it. So
I'd say that was a pretty big light
bulb moment. I knew I wasn't super happy,
but I wasn't unhappy.
And really, I kinda signed up because Michelle
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encouraged it and I wanted my husband to
go because I thought he needed it more
than he. And so I wasn't gonna force
him into or force force is the wrong
word. Encourage him to do something that I
wasn't willing to do myself, and so we
could have a shared language. But
I realized how much I was going through
the motions of my life. I wouldn't have
told you that would have been the case
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prior.
Can you actually tell me a story
where you realized
I need this?
I just had such peace
while I was at the process. You know,
lawyers are skeptical people, and I was skeptical
person. But there was nothing we did.
I just went in within this is my
choice, and I wanna explore this, and I
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wanna try this. And so even if I
was like, I don't know about all that,
I told myself, no. We're gonna try it.
And so I think it was just the
piece that came along with the whole thing
and knowing, oh, this is really good for
me.
And I kinda felt high, like, afterwards
and and not even afterwards, pretty early on
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third day or something. I was like,
I really needed this. This is really good.
I feel really recharged.
And I think there's some realization that I
was pretty darn burnout.
And Hoffman was the start of
fixing that healing that. And so
it was clear to me I needed it.
It was also clear to me that I
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needed to show up differently for my children,
and that I was sharing patterns that I
had been taught.
I knew I needed it for me, but
when I had some light bulb moments
about my children and the value that it
was going to be for them, just how
I was gonna show up differently for them,
then I knew I really needed to. And
I'll just share this one thing. The person
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who sat next to me was 21. Her
dad and step mom had done the the
process. You know, my kids were a few
years younger than her, but seeing kind of
what the experience was for her parents and
then how it was impacting her. And we
did many of the activities together. And I
just loved that experience because
engaging with her
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helped me go, okay, this is how I'm
gonna engage differently with my children. And this
is how I can show up differently.
At a minimum, it was good for me,
but it was also really good for me
as a parent, and that happened day three,
four, probably.
I just wanna pause and go back to
I felt high. If you were to attach
an emotion word to that,
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what would it be? And what do you
think was the source of it?
Excited, I would say,
because I remember that I really like myself
and that I'm a fun person, and I
can be a fun person.
And then I have more to give than
my achievements.
I like myself for things that aren't my
achievements where I think that that was certainly
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a big focus of how I gathered self
love was through my achievements. And so
going,
oh, I really liked my heart. I really,
I really liked my personality. I really like
how I care about people and how I
can be silly and playful. And some of
those things that I had probably buried and
only showed themselves every once in a while,
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it felt like I was getting rid of
some shackles that I maybe put on myself
or allowed others. So free. Felt free.
Free. Excited.
It's interesting because sometimes people think about
healing work as being difficult and painful.
And it's certainly not easy,
and it can be painful, but you're describing
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experience of
excitement
and rediscovery
of self love.
Tell me more about that.
Absolutely. So I'm a lifelong learner, so I'm
always like, how can I get better? How
can I be the best version of myself?
So I've done a lot of work, if
you will, on myself. But
what Hoffman did for me, I knew I
was perfectionist. I think I was probably a
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bit of a workaholic.
I knew I lacked self compassion.
I have lots of compassion for other people,
but for me, like a typo is, you
know, very stressful.
And so I knew all of those things,
but I don't think I ever figured out
a path despite all the coaching or guidance
for mentoring, etcetera,
until Hoffman. Because Hoffman, I understood
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the root cause
of my pattern.
And by understanding the root cause, then when
that creeped in, when I was getting ready
to exhibit my pattern, I could stop myself.
I could redirect.
I could
exercise self compassion when something wasn't perfect and
be like, it's it's good enough, like good
enough is good. It's like anything I would
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do in my regular professional life of you
can't solve a problem if you don't know
the root cause. And so being able to
get to the root cause
was just like this huge weight off of
me because it was almost like a problem
that I was never able to solve,
but didn't necessarily fully realize that it was
a problem at the same time. Right? Like
knew that my perfectionism was
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weakness,
but at the same time, it got me
to where I was. I wouldn't have been
an an executive officer of a public company
in my thirties
Had
I not been that perfectionist, had I not
been that workaholic,
but at the same time,
is that how I wanted to live my
life and understanding to get that balance? And
so I just felt that balance, I guess.
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How do you see that
living in your life now?
So when my inner mean girl comes out,
I would say I stopped her really quickly.
I stopped her really quickly. Yeah, that was
disappointing. I wish yes. I agree. We should
have done better, but we didn't. And so
here's where we're at. But we did all
these other things.
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And so I would say first and foremost,
inner mean girl,
there's a protector that comes in and stops
her, and she doesn't have time to have
the impact on me.
So that's the personal side of things. On
the parenting side,
I have really focused
with both of my children
on
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that achievement. They're both very, very smart,
fun human beings, and I am truly honored
to be their parent.
But I taught them achievement equals self love.
I taught them that achievement might equal my
love, and that certainly was not my
intention or feeling,
but being able to get in front of
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that. And when I see my kids start
to spiral in that achievement area, I'm on
it. It's so counterintuitive for me, but I'm
like, that's okay. You can skip that day.
Like, I'm much more chill on things because
I'm trying to put in
some protection so that they don't go down
there, but at the same time, making sure
that they have expectations of themselves. So that's
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also about, like, I don't care what you
wanna do with your life,
but I want you to be happy with
your choices. So my son, for example, wanted
to be a lawyer and follow in his
mom's footsteps, and he had this realization recently
that he wanted to be a teacher. And
I think he had a lot of shame
associated with that because he's brilliant.
But I was able to say, I think
being a teacher is awesome, and I think
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you'll be a phenomenal teacher and the excitement
the genuine excitement
versus the expectation of what maybe I would
have responded earlier. You'll be a good lawyer.
You'll be a great lawyer.
I think
that is really manifested.
And I also would say I'm pretty mindful
now. Not always. I know I slipped just
as we all do with our phones or
what have you, but
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I catch myself, but also
those around me. Now that my husband has
gone through Hoffman too,
he helps catch me in
a soft way
versus
a nagging way or a way that elicit
shame. It's just like, hey. I don't know.
Are are you are you available now to
talk when maybe we were talking and I
checked out? He brings me back in in
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a way that's loving, and I accept it
in a loving way because I know that's
my better. And I know I can just
kinda check out.
I think I'm being me. I think I'm
living authentically me. I'm doing things that I
want to do. I've changed my career
in a way that
feels great. I'm working with people that I
truly enjoy and love and feel like I'm
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doing good things. I
say no to things
that I don't wanna do even if I
think that they would be good for me
professionally if I or or even personally,
I don't have the energy, so I'm protecting
that a bit more, and really listening to
my body. I think being more in tune
with my body and what it needs and
its responses, physical responses to things
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has been such a great guidepost. I think
I ignored it in the past, and Hoffman
really helped me be more in tune with
my body's responses
that I may have played off or ignored
in the past.
Yes.
What I really hear
is
an integration
of the open heart and the protector.
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You had to open your heart
in order to come in
and protect yourself in that moment.
It's just this beautiful blend of
there's more than just
tough protector.
And yet you haven't lost it because
you do have the ability
now to continue on and be that open
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hearted badass. Right?
Heart driven badass. That's right.
Yes.
So if you could just say one
more thing about your post process integration, that
word integration is coming up.
How have you seen your experience
of self love
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showing up in a in a way that
you're learning from that post process?
I feel like so much of the process
is integrated into my life. But after my
husband did the process, probably six or nine
months later, we did a couple's intensive.
And it was helpful at the time, but
I feel like we had to digest it.
Just like Hoffman, I feel like you have
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all these lessons that come and you're really
excited and then you kinda pull off of
the some of the tools.
But then over time, you like, you're like,
that is totally a Hoffman right there, even
if you're not thinking about it. And so
it really just permeates who you are. And
for
us, particularly in our relationship, what I have
observed is we use many of our Hoffman
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tools and in engaging with each other. And
so
we were pretty close to to the edge
of maybe not making it through this phase
of life together, and we have found this
beautiful way
to
reenergize
our partnership.
And when either one of us goes into
our patterns
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rather than taking it
personally. It's a pause, and it's like, babe,
this is what I heard. Was that your
intention?
Or, hey,
I'm getting really anxious here. I'm this is
how I'm feeling. I need a pause.
Can we talk about it in a little
while? And those are just very small examples
of the things that we're doing.
But what it has happened is
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not only has
Hoffman
enabled me to protect my inner peace and
allow my heart to shine at the same
time, It's also permeated our relationship and then
furthermore with our children. So they're seeing us
go from a really not good place
to working to crawl together out of that.
And then this new healthier
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way that we interact with each other, because
we're still who we are. Right? We still
have our patterns. We still have bad days.
We still have crankiness.
All of those things, they're they how often
does it make them disappear? And it's still
a journey and something you still have to
work at and really commit to.
But
they see how we respond differently and how
we redirect each other and support each other
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in that. And so I just feel like
that's created a bigger piece for our entire
family
and our home. And I think doing that
together is
probably the thing that I'm most proud of
and feel in our lives. Yeah, most often.
This is wonderful.
Thank you. Are there any last things, or
is there anything that you wanted to say
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that we haven't covered?
I guess just thank you. Thank you to
the Hoffman process. Thank you to Michelle for
encouraging me and being my big sis through
this journey.
And thank you to you, Sadie, for
everything that you have done, our friendship and
helping me be the best version of me.
I could not have done it without you,
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and I really appreciate it. And I appreciate
this opportunity to share my journey with others,
and hopefully there are other,
badasses out there that wanna become heart heart
driven badasses.
Thank you so much, Diana Toman. Heart driven
bad ass integration
between two
total different sides
of self into this beautiful place,
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strong,
present,
open, and resilient.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for listening to our podcast. My
name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and
president of Hoffman Institute Foundation.
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And I'm Razzi Grassi,
Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute
Foundation.
Our mission is to provide people greater access
to the wisdom and power of love. In
themselves, in each other, and in the world.
To find out more, please go to hompaninstitute.org.
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