S10e15: Ade and Claudette Faison – Unlocking Futures

Ade and Claudette Faison have worked in the field of human development for more than 50 years and 40 years, respectively. Together, that's more than 90 combined years working to support others in transformation and lives of possibility. It's no surprise, then, that they both came to do the Hoffman Process along the way. Yet, it's all still fresh in their minds. They remember specific instances from their Process. Claudette shares her experience at the Process when she was having a conversation - a quad talk - with her intellect and Spiritual Self. She was asking her Spiritual Self, "Are you Buddha, are you God?" And then she began to laugh and laugh. She says it was like finally solving a mystery. For Ade, he remembers coming home having just completed the Process. He walked into a party that Claudette was hosting for her friends. Usually, Ade would hold back, waiting for an opening to join a party like that. But fresh out of the Process, he jumped right into the mix without hesitation. He had changed at the Process, and it was noticeable to everyone. Through Unlocking Futures, Ade and Claudette's company, they work with people on the margins of life. The work they do supports people in unlocking a better future for themselves, their families, and their communities. In the past, Ade and Claudette, and Unlocking Futures, partnered with the Hoffman Institute to create an advanced course called "The Quantum Leap Process." Drew taught alongside Ade in one of these courses. Listen in as Ade and Claudette share powerful stories of the work they do to unlock futures for many. We hope you enjoy this lively conversation with Ade, Claudette, and Drew. More about Ade: For more than half a century, Ade has functioned as a highly skilled facilitator in Human Development.  His work extends globally, including the United States, Africa, the Caribbean, Mexico, Europe, and South America. He works with youth from 8 years old to senior adults. In the first 25 years, he became a featured performer and leader of transformational workshops at the National Black Theatre in Harlem. This was followed by 35 years at Youth At Risk, Inc., aka Unlocking Futures, Inc.  Ade earned a bachelor's degree in Electrical Engineering from Howard University, a Certificate of Completion from the Institute for Not-For-Profit Management from Columbia University‘s Graduate Business School, a Master of Arts from Teachers College, Columbia University, and membership in Kappa Delta Pi, the International Honor Society in Education. Ade's non-traditional studies began with Dr. Barbara Ann Teer, founder of the National Black Theatre. He credits his competence to participation with Landmark Education, Practices in Siddha Yoga and Vipassana Meditation, Courses in Ontological Design, the Hoffman Quadrinity Process, courses from the Hoffman Institute, and 21 years of global travel with Circles of Light Ministries.  Ade acknowledges his 42-year marriage with Claudette C. Faison as the continuing catalyst that ignites his vision, work ethic, and stand for excellence and equanimity. More about Claudette: Hailing from St. Thomas, Virgin Islands, Claudette Anita C’Faison is a master at delivering transformational and spiritual programs. With a mission to bring healing to generational trauma and poverty, she leaves people empowered to create and be accountable for their reality and the lives they have made for themselves. For more than 40 years, Claudette has made a difference for over 15,000 marginalized families and children on every continent except Antarctica. In partnerships with family court, juvenile and adult justice programs, she creates and produces programs for inmates, returning citizens, and children of incarcerated parents. Claudette has been doing this work alongside her husband for 41 years. Claudette has been educated both traditionally and non-traditionally. She completed the traditional path in the seminary.

Episode Transcript

(00:01):
I remember having a conversation,
my intellectual body having a conversation
with my spiritual body, which at that point,
it was I was talking to God. Just
like, what's wrong with you? You're just schizophrenic.
What is your name? Are you Buddha? Are
you God? And then I burst out laughing,
and I just had so much fun clearing

(00:24):
up a mystery for myself. And after that,
I grew up.
Welcome, everybody. My name is Drew Horning, and
this podcast is called Love's Everyday Radius.
It's brought to you by the Hoffman
Institute, and it's stories and anecdotes
and people we interview
about their life post process

(00:45):
and how it lives in the world radiating
love.
Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Hoffman podcast. Claudette
and Ade Faizon are here. Great to have
you. Welcome. You two. Thank
you. My community of people.

(01:07):
Yes. Super super excited for this conversation.
You all did the process
how long ago? I think, like, '95
or
in the early nineties.
And all day?
I did it first,
and I came home and I was
buoyant and radiant.
And Claudette said, oh, this must work. Look

(01:29):
at you.
She was having a party at the house
with her girlfriends, and I just came in
and joined the party like I've been there
the whole day.
And that was quite different for her experience
of me.
Usually, I was just be in the background
waiting for an opening,
but I created an opening. I was in
the party as soon as I got there.

(01:50):
You remember that, Claudette?
No. I
don't. But I do know that, I spoke
with Mike Wick, who's a board member,
I believe, of Hoffman.
And we were having tea one Friday afternoon,
And there was something about him, and then
I just
kept seeing something around him. And I explained

(02:13):
to him what I was seeing,
and he said, well, you know Raz? I
said, yeah. I know Raz. He said, well,
he's doing great work.
And
because we're in the same kind of transformational
work,
at that time, it was with youth at
risk.
And now it's unlocking futures where
we work with families

(02:33):
and young people in the margins,
giving them
tools and gems that will
decrease or eliminate
generational
trauma.
And so after I spoke with Raz,
and he knew what we were doing because
he knew the youth at risk program has
been around since '83.
He offered

(02:54):
for us to do the work
to see if it was, something we wanted
to partner with.
And that's how Ade got to go first
because it was,
hey, Mikey.
You try it out, and then you come
back and tell me how it is. He
was the guinea pig, and there were three
of us on staff. It's Ade, myself,

(03:16):
and Kathleen Morris.
We still all know the distinctions
and the elevators
and just great work. And yeah.
So we come to you from the same
transformational
background with Bob Swartz
transformation
as Landmark, whatever you wanna call it,

(03:37):
and
committed to the same work that you do
at Hoffman.
Different population, same result.
And do you see the through line between
your work at Hoffman?
You had already been doing that work with
unlocking futures. Right? Yes.
So what happened for you all during your
week a little bit? I'm curious.

(03:59):
Such an intense immersive experience,
and yet so many years ago that you
took the process.
What was it like for you? I can
recall
getting in touch with the patterns.
The patterns
just kept coming.
Maybe there were 200 of them,
and I couldn't believe that I had picked

(04:19):
up on so many patterns.
And then the opportunity to let them go,
it emptied me out.
So I was available
rather than all the patterns.
So I got to flush.
Am I right?
I got to take a big flush.
And so when I came home, I was

(04:40):
present
rather than the patterns being present.
There was nothing between
my love for
Claudette
and people
that was getting in the way
for me to
hesitate to enter into
the party.
The little party and the metaphorical party that

(05:02):
was your life post process.
Exactly.
And what I can recall,
three specific things.
I remember
when we were expressing
in fashion,
what was great about that was
my mom and my dad who
about that time, they probably were both deceased.

(05:25):
You know, my mom definitely.
But when I could feel that they were
partnering with me, they were supporting me
together
to bash out the patterns that didn't work
for them, that they gave to me,
that I
was passing down to like, so it wasn't

(05:45):
bashing my parents,
but was bashing
their patterns
and my patterns, and we did it collectively.
They were right on my shoulder cheering me
on each time, like, yes. Yes. No more
of this. So that was one experience.
And another experience
was I remember turning into a little girl,

(06:06):
and we were fashion.
And one of the teachers came up behind
me, and I don't know what they said.
But it was I was getting in trouble
for
a lamp broke
while there were six of kids.
Six kids, we're gonna break something.
And that experience came up, and I remember

(06:28):
saying to the teacher,
I was just a little girl playing,
and that just left. And the funniest part
of the process that I remember when we
were doing the quad talk, my spiritual self,
my
emotional self, my physical self, and my mental
self, whatever the quadrinity is. And I remember

(06:51):
having a conversation,
my intellectual body having a conversation
with my spiritual body, which at that point,
it was I was talking to God. Just
like, what's wrong with you? You're you're schizophrenic.
What is your name? Are you Buddha? Are
you God? And then I burst out laughing,
and I just had so much fun

(07:13):
clearing up a mystery for myself. And after
that, I grew up. Wow. Those are memorable
experiences. I can feel it. Oh, absolutely.
I'm doing a program today, and we'll talk
about the work that we brought to unlocking
futures.
But I love when I'm working with people,
and
we're talking about the patterns and

(07:36):
when they get that they don't even exist.
Like, the bunch of patterns
have taken on their behavior
and their
their conclusions about life, and perhaps
you don't exist
with these patterns.
What do you do then?
Yeah.
So you get to the end of the

(07:57):
week.
The two of you go separately, but then
you're integrating
into life post process.
Does it change your work at all, or
does it modify how you are doing your
work in unlocking futures?
Well, we did partner much later. We did
partner with Hoffman.

(08:17):
We thought we were gonna do more work
with them last year, but we'll see.
We're open to it.
It took about two years
for Hoffman to understand what we were doing.
We already understood what Hoffman was doing, but
marrying the two curriculums,
our curriculum.
So we weren't replacing

(08:38):
our curriculum
nor were we adding them
to our the work of Hoffman to our
curriculum.
We actually created a next level.
We called it an advanced course.
The quantum leap process.
You know, when I was early teaching, I
joined one of those and became a teacher
with you, Ade,

(08:59):
just South of San Francisco.
What an incredible
experience to bring both adults and adolescents together
to do some of the integrated work of
unlocking futures and Hoffman over the course of,
I think, four days.
And it sounds like at some point in
the future, there are plans to do it

(09:20):
again.
One of the young women, Dejana, maybe she
was there with you. I'm not quite sure.
Maybe a month ago. I said, how are
you doing? She said, well, I'm I'm not
doing well, but I'm still doing my elevators.
For me, I'm my first student.
I'm my first client.

(09:40):
That's how I live life.
And so I can tell you what anything
that I have
that I participate in
that
gives me freedom to be,
not to do, but freedom to be,
freedom to
be present.
Anything that I have, I wanna share it

(10:03):
and give it away. And the course of
miracle says the more you give away, the
more you receive. Giving and receiving are the
same.
It couldn't be that we were now different.
It had to impact what we were doing
even if we weren't using the same words
to talk about things

(10:24):
differently.
But as I said, we free people up
to be present, to be here now.
Why we did this as the advanced course
because the clients we work with
had to be grounded,
and we wanted to make sure
given they were receiving scholarships,

(10:47):
we wanted to make sure that there was
100%
buy in. And so the all of the
mentors and the young people that participate in
this program
had been with us for nine months
or more.
So we knew they were hungry for
the same thing we were hungry for,
which is freedom to be.

(11:08):
Dave, what do you notice when she says
that freedom to be?
The opportunity
to build relationships,
that I think is the key for me.
That in every challenge,
underneath the challenge is the opportunity to
expand on
what we have and to build new relationships.

(11:29):
And that, for me, is why we're on
this planet.
And we build relationships with those that are
different
or at least who look different
when it's an illusion.
The illusion needs to be broken up. You
know? It it needs to be dissipated.
There is a difference.
There is just one human being on this

(11:50):
planet,
and that human being is the quadrinity.
And what I love about relationship is
I tell everybody the first relationship you have
to build is the one with yourself.
In the work that we do,
Hoffman
and unlocking futures,
that's where it all starts.
Who are you

(12:10):
or what are you?
What's your relationship with you?
Hurt people hurt people. Loving people are generous.
I believe everyone wants
access to their generosity
and to their humanity.
So everyone that comes through Hoffman or comes
through Unlocking Futures, as I said before,

(12:32):
they are hungry,
and they know something
else is possible.
At Hoffman, you know, we bring people to
a site. We guide them through an experience.
What does it look like at unlocking futures?
It's a there's more varied,
nuanced. I know there's some travel.
How does it work with unlocking futures?

(12:54):
Well, it's quite similar.
Yours is much more plush,
but we take them to a campsite where
they sleep in on bunk beds.
But we always pick the campsite
based on the food.
Hungry teenagers mean angry teenagers,
and no process is gonna get through.

(13:15):
So
we do take them away. When we started,
we took them away for ten days.
As we
realized that we didn't have to get it
all done in ten days. So now we
do it in four days
with a six to nine months
follow-up,
and we're looking at changing that model

(13:35):
currently.
And the reason we wanna change the model
is
we wanna be able to reach many more
families
and have many more graduates that can go
into the quantum leap program Mhmm. The program
with Hoffman
and unlocking futures.
Tell us a little bit about the population
you serve. How do you find your people,

(13:58):
and
where do you bring them from?
As I said, we work with families in
the margins. So
it would be families,
where there's an incarcerated parents or children of
incarcerated parents
to the extreme
of first generation college graduates.
In the nineties, in the early two thousand,

(14:19):
it would be
first generation high school graduates,
young parents
between the ages of
13 and 24,
teen parents,
kids who are in foster care. And working
with that population
is a little bit more difficult when it
comes
to where did you get that pattern because

(14:42):
they've been bounced around
so many times.
Yeah. That's a great point. So what do
you do what do you do with that?
We ask them first
who do they say
raise them, but we do an exercise.
Just recently, we had a adopted child
and her parents

(15:02):
at the meeting, and we do something that
we call track your biological
history.
We knew and the parents knew
the biological
mother's history.
When they looked at the
behavior patterns of the young person
who is now in my program,
it was clear

(15:24):
that
she was living with her
adopted parents,
but she was acting
as the biological
family.
The negative behaviors that they were engaged in,
she was still doing that. Although she had
lived with this family,
by now she's been adopted for fourteen years,

(15:46):
but she didn't pick up these patterns.
So
we have a process where
people can begin to see even though they
didn't live with their biological
parents,
perhaps they are still carrying some
patterns
that they picked up somewhere
from their parents.

(16:07):
And how did that go? What was it
like for this
adolescent to come to terms with that it
wasn't just her adopted parents, that it was
also her biological
parents?
Here's what I could tell you. This young
woman, her stand is
I'm tough, and I don't cry.
When we made that distinction, can you see

(16:29):
that you live here, but you act like
you live there?
It was the first time you can see
some
acknowledgment
of
either regret
or
sadness
that broke something up. Did it make her
perfect overnight? No.

(16:49):
But she can now begin to
understand
patterns and
historical
and generational patterns.
What's the effect on these kids
as a result of this work?
When you track them and
stay with them
or they come back to you in some

(17:10):
future moment,
what do you notice that
the work ends up creating?
Well I can say we did an alumni
event
maybe a month and a half ago. And
we called that program
Futures Unlocked.
And this young person was this old person
now showed up with a wrestling

(17:33):
belt across his shoulder.
He was a wrestling
program promoter. He was expressing his promotion,
right, at at this alumni event. And we
were like, what what are you into?
And what he said was, I used to
be shy.
I couldn't stand in front of people. I
couldn't say anything.

(17:53):
He said, but look at me now. That
he could do that, he gave that to
unlocking futures.
And what I remember him saying,
every young person or every parent that we
work with,
something is sustained.
They remember something. I wouldn't be doing this.
You could call me missus Moses right now
because Moses wandered in the wilderness for forty

(18:16):
years. And the first program I did, the
youth program that we deliver was October.
So I've been wandering in the wilderness
for forty years. So you could call me
missus Moses this year.
I wouldn't have done that
if it wasn't
successful,
if we weren't successful

(18:37):
that we see sustainable
results.
They break generational cycles. Generational cycles
are broken.
They
surpassed
their
colleagues, their friends.
You could see the difference in them. And
so I may have had them when they're
teenagers and whatever
the issue they came with was arrested. It

(19:00):
stopped.
You know, when I see them, I say
they still need more.
Even if they're adults, even if they're 30
or 40 years old,
they need another moment. So I know with
Hoffman,
Hoffman likes working with
our current young people.
But it'd be also great

(19:21):
if inside of Hoffman,
we bring the
adult
youth,
you know, and
have them have
in another experience to take them to another
level. That's a great idea.
Yeah. Because growth is always necessary. Right? It's
just ever learning,

(19:41):
ever unfolding.
I could say the person I was
before I went to Hoffman wasn't the person
I left as.
And that
changed also over the years, and that's the
same thing that occurs in our work with
the young people. To see young people now
take the fatherhood program,
And they were incarcerated,

(20:02):
many of them, when they first heard of
the fatherhood program. And they came out of
incarceration and joined our program willingly,
then these were fathers.
So now they had the opportunity to create
family
And to see them now show up with
their children,
some of them with their spouses,
I mean, it's a miraculous

(20:23):
thing to see that. So it's that they
left the patterns behind, but now as Claudette
is saying,
they could use
a refresher.
They could use an advanced course so they
could see there's more to
what we say you are the possibility of
all possibilities.
Well, there's more to it than what you
can just see. That's the nine dots that

(20:45):
we always work with, the nine dot puzzle.
And we always say, yeah. You can solve
that puzzle for those nine dots, but soon
as you break out of those nine dots,
another bigger nine dot shows up. So now
what are you gonna do?
And, yeah, we are looking at that very
closely. And we're also looking at how do
we reach more people, which now brings us

(21:07):
to the newest piece, which is we were
with a group
of freshmen at Lehman College,
and their major distraction
was their iPhones, their devices.
I mean, it was the FOMO thing, you
know, you can't do without it. It was
so
incredible. It was like cement to get through

(21:29):
to them. And these are college freshmen
who are wedded to their iPhones.
And for us to take a look at
that, we'll we got well, wait a minute.
All that we do in this course room,
if we could put that on an animation
and put that on their iPhones,
then they could go ahead and be with
their iPhones and their Androids and because they

(21:50):
would be getting what we are attempting to
share with them from the front of the
room. So that's given us a whole another
domain to walk into,
which is to put our work in animation
form. So what would that look like if
your work is in animation form? There's some
story being told?
It would be scripted.
We actually have four animations, and that then

(22:14):
turned into four books,
hardcover books and ebooks. And
we can see
every
distinction, every process
is a story.
We can make it a story.
But I wanna go back to one what,
they were speaking to
when we work with young people when they
were young with that particular

(22:35):
behavior
that put them at risk.
When they don't have that
behavior anymore,
what they could still be missing, not all
of them, but what they could still be
missing is the next question.
What's next? Now what's next?
That kind of question,

(22:56):
that kind of
fulfillment
is missing for me in some of the
young people.
We'll put this nine dots links about unlocking
futures and also
more information on the nine dot quiz. I'm
fascinated. I'm gonna look it up after this
conversation.
In our show notes, we'll put it in
our show notes so people can check it

(23:17):
out and find more about who you are,
what you do,
some of the work you guys engage in.
This is important, isn't it? This work you're
doing with this population,
with this group of teenagers.
It's important, isn't it, in a time like
this?
More today than ever.

(23:37):
One of my key statements today is that
there are no victims,
just volunteers.
You may have been victimized,
but that doesn't make you a victim.
The people that we work with have been
conditioned
for generations and centuries,
been conditioned

(23:59):
to feel
not important,
not valuable.
Given
what's happening in this country at this moment,
we call those
conditions. We call those lies.
They've been lied to about who they are.
Everywhere, they've been lied to.

(24:20):
You know, when I speak to people who
are working with people in the margins,
I say, today,
I feel our mission is stronger today.
Today is not the day to give people
fish.
Today is the time to give people
the rod

(24:40):
and the worm and teach them how to
fish
more than ever because nobody's
given you anything today. So fishing inside.
Go inside
and see what fish,
what fish is inside of you that will
feed you
and give you the stamina

(25:02):
and the willingness to erase the lie,
to to stand on top of that lie
that says I am not. I am not.
I'm not worthy. I'm not smart enough. I'm
not white enough. Whatever that lie is,
you have to begin to know it's a
lie. And once you realize it's a lie,

(25:23):
the thing that I love about the work
that we do, you don't get angry.
You know, finding out that you've been lied
to, most people get angry. They lied to
me, baba. The the work our process is
you've been lied to, and you bought it.
So who are you gonna be mad at?
That you've been lied to or you bought

(25:43):
it?
But it doesn't even go there because now
that you know you've been lied to,
let's discover the truth about you, and that's
what keeps them engaged,
learning
more and more the truth about their and
I'm not talking about racial magnificence.
I'm talking about humanity,

(26:05):
What it is to be human, what it
is to be a human being, what it
is to
have desires, what it is to be creative,
what it is to have a goal other
than I wanna go to college so I
can have some money to live. There's something
bigger than that. Yeah. And I'd like to
just say that it has less to do
with the roles that we have been given.

(26:25):
So even the man woman role, the black
white role, black white, yellow green blue role,
the worker, capitalist,
you name it. Whatever the ism is,
these contain roles, and it's something that we
are
looking for here for people to take a
look at that's beyond the role.

(26:46):
That you are the possibility of all possibilities.
You are whole, perfect, and complete just as
you are.
You are that quadrinity
process.
You are that. Now the choice is up
to you. Do you accept that, or do
you accept the illusions?
Beautiful.
So
all those lies about who they are, the

(27:07):
roles they play, the patterns they believed, the
experience of being at the margins,
racism,
poverty,
and then that kind of work you put
them through
must be
quite
transformational
for them to begin to see that they
are not these things that they

(27:28):
thought maybe that they used to believe.
And what's great about you know,
starting the eighties, we would say that
the youth risk program now unlocking futures, we
were really the distinction America
because the kids may have been people of
color, but the mentors, each one of these
young people have a mentor for six to

(27:50):
nine months of the program
to teach them how to integrate
what they've learned in the the weekend or
the ten day or the four day. But
how do you integrate that in your life?
Many of those mentors were
not people of color. They were Asian. They
were white. They would be Jewish.
They would be all these different races, French

(28:11):
people, Australian people.
Both the mentor, the adult, and the young
person learned the same thing. And I remember
if Kathleen was here, she'll she's 90 years
old, and she'll still cry when she says
and when this young black males turn to
her and said,
you're white,
but you're just like me,

(28:31):
and I love you.
And what the white people would get
was
working with these young people,
open their heart to humanity.
They would get that
everything they thought about
the race
wasn't true.
So they would have to drop their pattern

(28:54):
of what they learned
about
who black kids were, who Latino kids were,
who Mexicans were. They would have to drop
their own belief pattern that someone conditioned them
to believe.
It's beautiful when it's beyond color and it's
only about humanity.
Beyond gender. I could remember the time when

(29:16):
we were in this group, and it was
the last day of the retreat.
People were choosing the mentor
and mentee relationships,
and we call out his name. And the
young man jumped up and he said, oh,
no. Not the gay guy.
Not for me.
He was in the 1995

(29:36):
program.
I want you to know that black guy
and that white gay guy
are still
together
today. Yes. In fact,
we discovered
the youth's father
died
of the virus, HIV.
But what we discover,
his father

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and his white gay mentor
were born on the same day.
The father and the mentor were born on
the same day, same year.
The other thing is when
this person, the young person, who, by the
way, is retiring
from the police department, retired this year
as a detective in the police department,

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he has three children,
and all three of his children called his
white gay mentor
grandpa.
You can't make this stuff up, Drew. I'm
telling you. It is remarkable
what we have witnessed over these forty years.
Just remarkable. Both of those people,

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the guy
is a Hoffman graduate.
That's right. And this guy here is a
Quantum Leap
graduate. That's right. And the Quantum Leap program
is the collaboration
between
unlocking futures and Hoffman.
Yes. People ask us all the time. One
of the many questions we get is,

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hey. When are you guys gonna do an
adolescent program? Because my teen or I know
some teens,
it's just a need out there, isn't it?
Well, why not get it a little earlier
is part of what the question is asking.
Well, the thing is, Drew, with us, we
never coerce any of these young people to
be in our program.

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We do an enrollment with them so that
they get to see that there's something that
they can see, that they recognize for themselves
that makes them want to join the program.
And then we ask them,
if you wanna join the program, you have
to go ask your parents
for permission to be in this program. So
rather than the parents pushing kids into a

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program,
we have people ask their parents for the
permission to be in this program. And that,
I think, is what makes a qualitative
difference in the outcome.
I also wanna just talk about my life,
not just the the youth program.
After the program,
I could see where my children

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were taking on
some of my negative
love syndrome stuff.
And I and I could say to them,
that's my pattern, and it doesn't work for
me.
Please don't take that one on.
So, yes, I could put it in my
work, but I put it in my life.
And then described it to your children

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so that they wouldn't take it on as
well.
Beautiful.
You know, that's my pattern.
I do that. You don't need to do
that. It doesn't work for me. And you
guys have been working together for forty years?
Maybe twenty.
Prior to that, we knew each other from
the work I was doing in theater, which
is where I met her.

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Anything else you wanna add in as an
anecdote?
The other thing is I do coaching.
I coach people,
and these are people who are very, very
successful
people.
And in 2023,
I sent two of my clients to Hoffman.
Even though I haven't done Hoffman courses for

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a very long time,
it's still a resource
that I will refer people to. And we've
just started doing BIPOC q twos.
Okay.
That's cool.
We used to do the I remember the
community get togethers before COVID hit here in
New York City,
and that was sweet to come to. I

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don't know if you still do them. Yes.
We do. The Hoffman monthly meetings,
grad groups.
Well, you guys, I'm I'm so grateful for
this time for people to hear about our
collaboration
and your program that's been
going strong for forty plus years unlocking
futures. We'll put a bunch of the information
in the show notes so people can check

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it out, and I look forward to what's
happening in the future between us
and our
programs. I like that. I like that. Yeah.
Quantum leap. It's time for another quantum
leap. And it'd be great if it's
teenagers,
young people, regardless of them being at risk

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or
at risk of not realizing a possibility
all coming from a affluent family,
that would be
a wonderful
opportunity
for them to get that they're all on
the same page, and they all have the
same concerns, and they go about it differently,
and they all have
patterns.

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Mhmm.
Even a mixed group would be phenomenal.
Integration of all of that. And then
you're different from me, but as this one
grad said that you mentioned, you're just like
me. Yeah.
We used to be different, but now we're
the same.
We used to be different, and now we're
the same. There's something

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humanity needs that seeing the similarities
rather than the differences. Right? Oh,
man. Tell me.
And that what we do to each other,
we do to ourselves.
What we do to each other, we are
also doing to ourselves.
Beautiful.
Thank you too. It's great to see you.
Thank you so much. You're welcome.

(35:23):
Thank you for listening to our podcast. My
name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and
president of Hoffman Institute Foundation.
And I'm Razi Graci,
Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute
Foundation.
Our mission is to provide people greater access
to the wisdom and power of love. In
themselves, in each other and in the world.

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To find out more, please go to hoffmaninstitute.org.