April 3, 2025 • 31 mins
Our post-Process panel, Kevin, Steve, and Zeina, gathers together with Drew to share both personal and professional insights into why your days after the Hoffman Process are so important to the journey that lies ahead. As Hoffman teacher and coach, Zeina Mobassaleh, says about leaving the Process, "You're not done, you've just begun."
Why is this time immediately post-Process so important? Listen in as our delightful post-Process panel of teachers shines a light on the gifts that lie ahead over the days, weeks, and after completing the Hoffman Process.
Kevin offers insights into the Hoffman tools and practices. As he says, "We get good at what we practice." Hoffman Practices are offered through the Hoffman App and daily on Instagram, where you can practice with the Hoffman community.
Steve underscores the importance of the weekend after the Process. He explains that a large part of the Process is becoming Spirit embodied. Steve shares that we can "settle in and allow the work just completed to percolate down and in where the Spirit meets the bones" during the integration weekend.
Zeina generously shares a beautiful quote that her Hoffman Process teacher told her upon graduation about the sun and clouds, and how to flow with our internal weather. Zeina reminds us that during our Process week, we've come to see the sun. Clouds will come again, but the tools and practices that can clear the clouds away.
You can return to this conversation to refresh your memories of your Process and reset your daily Hoffman practices. We hope you enjoy this conversation and use it to stay grounded in your Hoffman transformation.
Our Post-Process Panel
Kevin Eyres:
"I am passionate about supporting people on their healing journey, facing what is blocking them, finding their full range of emotions, and embodying self-love. My Process showed me how to face my shame, self-doubt, and destructive patterns from a fundamentally different perspective – self-compassion.”
Kevin Eyres holds a B.S. in Computer Science from the University of Texas at San Antonio. He is a seasoned technology executive and a YPO member since 2002. Kevin is also an executive coach and speaker. Kevin, his wife, and daughter live in Los Altos Hills, California.
Listen to Kevin on The Hoffman Podcast
Steve Granville:
“I so enjoy witnessing the changes in students as they move through the Process. It is such an honor and privilege.” When Steve did his Process, he discovered, “A profound sense of who I really am. I finally understood that I was not my patterns and that by simply being honest about what was true for me, I could cultivate the intimacy with myself and others that I always wanted.”
Steve Granville holds a Master’s degree in International Management. He is a Restorative Justice facilitator and trainer, and executive leadership consultant in clinical healthcare. He loves helping people grow into their potential. Steve lives in the San Francisco Bay Area with his wife and two kids. They love playing together outside, especially in fresh powder.
Zeina Mobassaleh:
Zenia Mobassaleh holds a B.A. from Brown University, a J.D. from Columbia University, and diplomas from Sciences Po and the Sorbonne in Paris. She is a certified Parenting Coach, and has written the book, Your Children Are Not Your Children: 100 Mindful Baby Steps to a More Joyful Home.
The Hoffman Process was a gift in Zeina’s life, putting her on the path to responding rather than reacting in life, and to leading with love and living with joy. It is a gift that she feels lucky to be able to share with others as she supports them on their own paths and journeys to healing.
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Your journey to discover your authentic self does not end after the completion of a Hoffman course. Rather, it is just the beginning. The Hoffman App is here to support you as you continue this journey, today and far into the future.
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(00:01):
Now you've seen the sun.
Now you have connected to your authentic self,
your true self, your essence.
And the clouds will come, and you won't
see the sun again. But you know the
sun is there, and now you have the
tools and practices to help clear those clouds
to reconnect.
(00:21):
Welcome, everybody. My name is Drew Horning, and
this podcast is called Love's Everyday Radius.
It's brought to you by the Hoffman Institute
and its stories and anecdotes
and people we interview
about their life post process and how it
lives in the world radiating love.
(00:52):
Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Hoffman podcast and
our panel on life
post process,
including the integration weekend.
Maybe you're listening to this before you've taken
the process, or maybe you've just graduated,
or maybe you're trying to get some help
couple weeks after the process.
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Either way, we're glad you're here. We got
a star studded panel, Steve,
Zena, Kevin,
all Hoffman
teachers experienced
in this journey
in life post process.
Welcome, everybody.
Hey. Thanks, Drew. Good to be here. Glad
to have you all here. Steve, I wanna
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just check-in with you first. Why are we
having this conversation? What's
what's so important
about this post process weekend? Really, what this
question speaks to, Drew, is the reality of
the process is that it is a journey,
a journey that you go on during the
course of the week, but the a journey
that you get to continue for the rest
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of your life.
You know, the really important way of looking
at
personal growth, transformation, healing is that it's not
a one time event.
So the idea that you finished your seven
day process
and, therefore, you get to go back into
your life and
do the same things you've been doing forever
is a really bad idea
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because that's not the way we're designed to
evolve, grow, heal, all those things I mentioned.
So we call the weekend after the process
the integration weekend because your
body, your mind,
your emotions, and your spirit have been through
a lot in the course of that week.
And there is a coming home into yourself
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that can
really be
important to happen during the weekend. And so
we have a whole set of instructions
and best
that you do during the weekend. But primarily,
we want you to spend it by yourself
in nature,
eating nourishing things, not taking any substances unless
they're currently prescribed, but no recreational drugs or
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anything like that. And allow yourself to reflect
on, to contemplate,
and to integrate
these changes that have happened at a cellular
level. And so
jumping back into
going to a concert
Saturday after a process ends on Friday or
going Friday night is not a good idea
because it can impact your integration. That said,
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things happen. We'll talk a little bit later
in the podcast about how to navigate when
the unexpected or life just happens.
But just holding it
in the process as a journey that actually
really begins that weekend, and it's this huge
opportunity to
change the way you move through life, you
relate to yourself, and relate to the world.
(03:40):
Beautiful. Zena, I wanna bring you in. Maybe
you wanna reflect on your post process weekend
or
things you share with your students. But
what's so important, and why are we even
having this podcast? And what do you suggest
in this
life post process?
So we oftentimes say that each step of
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the process builds on the step before it.
And the integration weekend is very much a
part of the process. It's just not critical
a step in the process.
You oftentimes get to a point by that
Friday where you have
gone deep, you have had quite a journey.
You have uncovered a lot
and it's oftentimes
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a tender space. It's oftentimes a vulnerable space.
So to take those couple of days to
just integrate and let all of that land
and percolate is just so critical. A part
of the process.
I oftentimes tell students it's like trying to
speed up a pregnancy. You just have to
go through the actual
steps. It's just a natural development. You can't
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get there faster.
So those couple of days are so important.
Like Steve said, yes, practice the tools and
practices that you're given that weekend, but really
much more so just to land
and catch your breath
and just be in this new space that
you're in.
I oftentimes tell my students that I what
I wish somebody told me is that tender
space actually lasts longer than just those couple
(05:05):
of days. And that I wish somebody told
me, you know, do not get on a
party bus with 10 of your closest friends
from abroad and go to a YouTube concert
in New York all week because
it was just an overload and attack on
the senses. And just to give yourself space
even those couple of weeks after the process
to just
land and cocoon if you need to and
just have options in terms of give yourself
(05:27):
what you need most.
Fantastic.
Certainly,
fatigue is one of those things as well.
Sleep
will be a needed
activity
post process.
But I wanna bring Kevin in here as
the
app czar. This conversation is being spread across
two platforms, both
the podcast
(05:48):
and
on the app. Kevin, what do you wanna
add here on this important
post process discussion?
Just to echo everything that everyone has said
is it is a the journey continues,
and that's one of the reasons why we
created the app is
to help people remember all the tools and
practices and give them a lot more access
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to over a 50 recordings
and, you know, continuing to grow. The one
thing I really wanna draw attention to is
we have something we call our thirty day
integration,
and it starts on day zero. You know,
the Friday you get out of the process,
then there's different teachers that have done this.
Over thirty days, we have a three to
five minute little video
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that just
reminding you about different aspects of the process
and also have a quad check
along with an appreciation and gratitude in the
evening
as a way to remember. It's like, oh,
we get good at what we practice. And
so let's practice being in that tender space.
Let's practice being connected into spirit. Let's practice
(06:53):
remembering that you're loved, loving, and lovable by
having a little snippet
each and every day. You know, we've got
over 4,000 people on the app right now
and, you know, continuing to grow. And what
I know from talking to people after the
process
is that the ones who continue to follow-up
with the tools and practices
have a far better landing. Doesn't mean that
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life is perfect, but they can remember it's
like, oh,
I forgot about what happened on day five.
You know? And so you get a chance
to remember that twenty five days later and
to be able to have just a little
snippet each and every day. Yeah. You know,
we don't wanna toot our own horns, but
I'll say this. Grads don't know what they
don't know.
(07:36):
And as teachers, we know something. And part
of what we've formulated
is based on experience and feedback
that we've gotten from students.
What else would you add here, Steve, about
this? You mentioned
some other stuff you were gonna bring in.
Not doing
well, going against our recommendations. They're not rules.
(07:57):
We want you to hold it lightly. These
are guidelines.
But for instance,
not knowing when I did the process of
how important,
fruitful the integration weekend can be, I agreed
after the process on Friday to go pick
my kids up at school. That was okay.
So I went and which is really sweet
and awesome. And then we were scheduled to
(08:17):
go to a 10 family campout nearby, which
I went to and about an hour into
it realized, oh my gosh, this is not
the place for me. And so was able
to course correct and go home and spend
time by myself and do the tools and
practices and do a bunch of recycling.
So I was able to fix it. But,
you know, I do know stories of people
(08:39):
that do go to YouTube concerts or end
up in big congregant settings.
And it just slows down the pace of
change that people have fought so hard and
earned so deeply over the course of the
week.
Really holding
that it is a journey, not a destination.
We can set ourselves up as humans to
think I did this big piece of work.
(09:00):
Ah, the work is done.
I can just go and forget about it.
And so I really appreciate Kev talking about
the little reminders
because so much happens during the course of
the process.
It's impossible
to hold it all
in a coherent way, and that's why this
time to reflect, journal, work on a vision
for what you want with these new awarenesses
(09:21):
and a new sense of being is really,
it's a fruitful time
to engage
in what's next
rather than just falling back into old ways.
And we do
give grabs a book, so pulling out that
book might be
something that can help you. We also have
a segment on it on Friday where we
talk about going home and mention all those
(09:44):
things. What do you think
students forget, Zaina? You know, what's important
to bring in here
and maybe from your experience as well? What
I often say about my experience is that
when I did Hoffman fifteen years ago,
it was very much a jump start to,
(10:04):
you know, living life on this right road
with my spiritual self leading the way, but
it was just a start.
It's such a work in progress. One of
the biggest gifts I got from Hoffman is
this lightness of being that I didn't even
know was missing in my life. The other
big gift I got from Hoffman is a
whole set of tools and practices that I
use till this day
(10:25):
because it is such a work in progress.
You know, I often get the feedback from
students that, oh, you have such snow white
energy. You are so calming and grounded, etcetera.
And I make it a point to stand
up in front of the classroom and say,
yes. And I also have incredible health energy.
And now I know what tools and practices
help support me in coming back to center.
(10:46):
And I oftentimes say it's in those moments
where I kind of
lose sight most of that best self, that
spiritual self that I am. I've learned to
have my three go to practices, and I
often tell students have those three when you're
not seeing straight.
This is what gets me back.
And just know ahead of time, this is
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what I'm gonna go to when I'm not
seeing straight and I have lost sight of
myself
most. You know, I'll never forget my teacher
telling actually the whole class fifteen years ago
when I did this. Now you've seen the
sun.
Now you have connected to your authentic self,
your true self, your essence,
and the clouds will come. And you won't
(11:28):
see the sun again, but you know the
sun is there.
And now you have the tools and practices
to help clear those clouds to reconnect.
So like Kevin was saying, repetition and practice
is so critical on this journey. You're not
you're not done after this week. You're just
beginning.
Part of what you're doing there is normalizing
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the
struggles, normalizing cloud cover. It's not a rare
event.
Skies are blue and skies are gray with
clouds. And,
Kevin, often students blame themselves or think they
failed the process when patterns
or dark side messages come in, dark side
attacks.
(12:11):
It's all very much a part of living,
isn't it?
It's very much part of living. And I
guess you we'd really try to normalize it,
not just within, you know, this thirty day
integration on the app, but also especially on
the Friday of the process
is
it is going to be rough.
You know, Liz, one of our teachers, I've
heard her say this many times, like, to
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integrate is to pendulate.
Coming into the process, we're on our left
road, you swing way over to the right
road,
beautiful,
connected to our authentic being in this nice
little love bubble cocoon.
You go out into your default world
and life hits you in the face sometimes,
and you're going to pendulate over to the
left road.
(12:53):
And it's like, that's normal. That is absolutely
normal. It's about how do I meet that.
You know, I know for me doing the
process,
I did a tricky thing. I thought, you
know, I need to test to make sure
this really is going to work. I did
everything that was prescribed except for
I didn't recycle any of the patterns about
(13:13):
going home because if it really worked, I
shouldn't need to. And as soon as I
step through the door, there is this vicious
cycle that just
hit me right in the face, and it
was like,
oh, nothing worked, and it just went into
this big shame spiral. And I actually left.
I turned around, walked out of the house
in tears,
(13:33):
drove off, and then okay. What are some
of those tools that I remember? And I
was like, oh, yeah. I didn't do any
of the recycling because I wanted to test
to make sure that it works. So sometimes
our intellect can get in the way, at
least for me it did.
Do I really have to do this? If
this really was so transformed, I shouldn't have
to do any of this stuff. And the
fact is is seven days is a short
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period of time.
We do get to see the sun in
our own light and our authenticity,
and we still have to do the work.
And that was a huge wake up call
for me. I tell a few classes about
that as well. But,
yeah, sometimes you think we fail just because
we fall down, and
we learn by getting back up.
Yeah. I love that point, Kevin. And and
(14:17):
building on the cloudy day from you, Zena,
one thing the process did for me was
it helped me to organize and heal
all of these belief systems and truths,
quote, unquote, that I had about who I
am and the way the world works. And
so now when there's a cloudy day, I'm
in a place to look for the gift
(14:38):
in the cloudy day, to look for and
see, hey, is there something else that needs
healing that is out of my awareness that
I get to now move through?
And so that speaks to this idea that
the work's not done even for Hoffman teachers.
We're continually
seeing what needs attendance.
The process provided me with the permission
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to actually
get on the journey.
Such a gift that continues to unfold
even if my integration weekend didn't go as
prescribed.
Yeah. Kevin and you all, Steve, are talking
about part of this is that grads feel
so good.
Yes. There's some anxiety,
but there's a real high that can happen,
(15:22):
and
that can be wonderful
and problematic
because it can give you the illusion of
invincibility,
when in fact, you're actually deeply
vulnerable.
There's a porous nature to
what you've been. And when you come off
of the process,
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life can feel loud, can it? Life can
feel busy, like everybody's talking loudly and moving
fast, and it's surprising. Wouldn't you all say
there's a surprise nature to it? It's very
much a surprise. And even now as a
teacher,
you know, going on eight years, I still
take time in the integration weekend
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coming out of teaching.
I still do a dark side bash
each time that I teach.
You know, I still use the same tools
and practices and take time to integrate back
because I'm operating at a different speed. My
heart is so open
in a different, very vulnerable, tender way.
That
(16:23):
is different speed of the rest of the
world. Even driving,
be extra careful driving as I leave the
process. It just,
I just I remember each time I teach,
it's like, oh,
I need to be really easy with myself.
So even eight years in, you're not immune
from some of the dynamics that
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students face?
Not at all. But I also find it's
one of my most creative times as well.
That's one of the reasons why I take
more space
is I tend to write, I tend to
journal, I tend to have
many more creative ideas
afterwards because I've unplugged from the world and
all of the other work, anything else that
I have in my life, connected deeply to
spirit. And from there, I find my creativity
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is just on a completely different level.
So I savor that time over the over
that integration weekend.
Zena, you wanna jump in here? Yeah. I
just wanted to
underline a little bit of what we're saying
that, yes, using the tools and practices and
the thirty day app, etcetera.
For me, the key ingredient
that I want people to
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take away from this is having self compassion.
It is such a critical part of using
the tools and practices
of life after Hoffman of life. Generally,
I'll be honest. I left my process and
did not jump into using the tools and
practices immediately,
Partly because I was doing EMDR therapy that
I'd never kind of delved into before, but
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partly because of my patterns, my all or
nothing pattern and my, I don't need anybody.
I can take care of this pattern. And
here I am fifteen years later
as a Hoffman teacher. And I say that
not to follow my example,
but I feel like so often I talk
to students who really beat themselves up for
not using the tools and practices so often
or not doing them the right way or
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self compassion is such a key ingredient
in
how you integrate Hoffman into your life. To
just love yourself through the ups and downs,
whether you're you're using the tools, when you
decide to use the tools and practices to
not do it in a way that you're
beating yourself up. The last thing we want
for you is to have hundreds of new
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ways to beat yourself up,
hundreds of new words to use, hundreds of
new patterns rather than just coming to this
from a place of self love and ease
and grace for yourself.
Yeah. That self compassion is critical.
Steve. Yeah. And that self compassion, which is
so key, is a way to
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feel
what I'm not willing to acknowledge typically that
I'm in some pain
or there's some suffering.
But what that can do is it can
help metabolize
the emotions
and give you information about what you might
need, but it helps us to become embodied.
That's such a huge part of the process
is becoming spirit embodied.
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I love the saying,
wisdom is knowledge embodied.
And so during that integration weekend, this ability
to settle in, to allow the work to
percolate down where the spirit meets the bones
is the opportunity to become more embodied rather
than jumping out and going back into life.
And so that's one of the other big
through lines of the process
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is how can I become more embodied and
tap into my wisdom, tap into my pain
to Zana's point? How can I recognize the
suffering when my intellect just wants to come
up with some excuse to avoid
it? Yeah. And the process
goes so quickly, speaking of intellect,
is sometimes the weekend
is that in a way helping the intellect
(19:58):
understand
what the heck just happened.
It lets the body, the spirit, the intellect,
and the emotional self
catch up
and make sense of
the intense
seven days that that quadrinity
just experienced.
Yeah, absolutely. You know, something else that I
found it very, very helpful
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is my life is my responsibility.
That is
the most rich four pages, I think, in
that entire booklet.
I've reread that several different times. I was
blown away. I remember sitting down in the
back deck just reading that,
and I had never considered
probably three quarters of what was in there.
(20:41):
And, you know, talk about intellect catching up.
It's like, oh, yeah.
And there's also it's like, intellect, this is
not all your responsibility.
You know, it's spirit so much in their
bodies in there. You know, the whole quadrinity,
you know, is in there. It's like, oh,
and from
reading it after
embodying
spirit,
(21:01):
I just found that just incredibly
helpful. And I know at different times when
I've struggled, I've gone back and read some
of those pages again. My life is my
responsibility. The
other big tool that I continue to use
out of that or a practice
is the self love, self forgiveness walk, you
know, going through challenging times.
(21:22):
And
it's an embody and more embodied way of
self compassion,
I find it's like, you know, just physically
writing things down, getting it out of me,
seeing it,
and then taking her a walk
and then being able to let go of
it, you know, in a much more embodied
way. I'm glad you brought that in there,
Steve. So those are two big things that
(21:44):
I remember. And we'll put in the show
notes
some links to part of what we're talking
about here so that if people have questions,
what was the self love and self forgiveness
walk? What was
that my life is my responsibility?
But, Zena, you mentioned something about don't do
it because you have to. I was thinking
(22:04):
about the first day. We talk about surrender
and submission
and live your life post process from a
place of surrender. All the things you learned
during the week, not because you had to,
but because this is what you wanted for
your life.
What else would we bring into the world
for grads?
You know, one thing that you touched on,
(22:25):
Drew, at the very beginning about catching up
on sleep in the integration week, and I
almost wish we had this part of our
official list of tools and practices, just how
important sleep is. In one sleep seminar, I
attended our amygdala
responsible for that fight, flight, freeze. You know,
the four f's mode is up to 60%
more activated
when we don't get enough sleep. You know,
(22:46):
I make it a point to share it
with the students that I work with, but
just how important sleep is in supporting us
in using the tools and
supporting us in staying connected to our authentic
self and the place that's embodied
and calm and grounded. That's something that I
would love to kind of put out there
right now, to be honest.
We ask for a reason how many hours
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you got during the week. It's important. It's
that important.
So keep up that sleep practice as we
go. Yeah. I think sleep is key and
setting up a realistic expectation
that
you might be a little emotionally dysregulated
that weekend. I like to tell students you
might giggle whimper.
Did you say giggle whimper?
(23:28):
Giggle whimper. Yeah. Where you are just dysregulated.
All the feels are flowing through you. And
that's not a sign that you're failing the
process.
The process is a master class in healthy
intimacy
with yourself, with the human condition, with others,
you name it.
And so there can be some withdrawal
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coming out of that. And so
being ready to come back into yourself and
being fine with that and recognizing you now
know how to self disclose and self advocate
and all of these things that we didn't
learn as kids and had to relearn in
the process
can then
set you on the course to
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create the life that you want.
Working on a vision for your life.
My wife and I, we revisit our visions
for our lives every new moon. So 12
times a year, we do that. And we
marvel at, oh my god. Blah blah blah
blah. It all happened.
How can we come more deeply into love
for ourselves and each other? So you're in
(24:31):
a very fertile space coming out of the
process, so use it. I wanna bring in
and ask you all. We say, remember when
you go out into the world,
it's you who has changed.
And so what are we saying there? Why
do we
tell students that? What do we mean by
that? Well, not expecting other people to
(24:52):
change for us or that we are going
to change them. One of the things that
I I use around this is
seeing the little one in me
and seeing the little one in somebody else.
When I see somebody acting
uncharacteristically
or, oh, that reminds me of a five
year old is remembering that within everyone, there's
(25:13):
a little kid that's hurt.
We're reminding that it's like, how can I
give somebody else some grace and at the
same time, set up some good healthy boundaries
the same way we need to do with
young kids?
When somebody else is dysregulated, how do we
set a good healthy boundary versus shaming and
scolding them? So that's one of the things.
And I have my
younger self pictures
(25:34):
still actually taped to my monitor to remind
myself. One is a six month old and
one is a eight year old.
When I get dysregulated,
I try to just ask myself, how old
do I feel? And then just give love
to that little one.
Because sometimes I find it hard to give
love and compassion to myself as an adult.
(25:55):
But when I look at that little six
month old chubby smiley face, it's like, oh,
I can give that little guy a lot
of love. And for the eight year old,
I can remember a lot of the pain
that was there,
and I can just love that guy. And
so
if I can do that for myself, I
can certainly do that for others
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while also keeping a good healthy boundary with
them.
Nice. That emotional
child photo. Steve, what were you gonna add?
Yeah.
People don't change because you did the process.
Your
posture towards them might change. Your
insights, your wishes for ways in which they
might change probably become pretty apparent.
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But I think it's really important that we
say sometimes
people or events happen while you're at the
process
that are challenging when you come out of
the process.
I've had students run into all sorts of
life circumstances
and weren't able to engage in the integration
weekend at all. And yet we're able to
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carve out some time a little bit after
that
to dive into the work. So I think
it's important that everyone listening realize there's not
a formula here.
And if things do go pear shaped, as
the Brits say, and people get sick or
arrested or these things that happen,
you can put your integration weekend on pause
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and actually still
have an incredible journey.
And so it has to work for life
and not be not being rigid about this,
being fluid and surrendering
to the reality and meeting it in a
different way as you meet yourself in the
world in a different way. I'm glad you
brought that in because
there are events that happen that interrupt
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what we would have wanted for our integration
weekend, for our integration life.
And we can roll with the punches. We
can adjust
and still
meet it from a spirit led place.
That's great.
I just wanted to add, yes. My life
is my responsibility,
and it's my responsibility
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to clean up my side of the street.
That's all I can do. I can only
clean up my side of the street. I
can't cross over into other people's side of
the street and clean it up for them.
And, yes, it's my responsibility
to take a %
ownership
of my 50%,
but that's it.
You know, no less and no more. And
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that that's also, you know, you were talking
about you've changed, but everyone else hasn't. It's
really about
anchoring
the people around you and your community where
you are, and that's all you can do.
Yeah. I was thinking about that quote around
boundaries. Boundaries are the distance
at which I can both love you
and love me.
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Boundaries are the distance at which I can
both love you and love me.
Yeah. And that you gotta stay in your
lane.
Thank you, Zena.
Last minute things to add in here before
we wrap.
I'd say from an app standpoint,
let us know if you want anything. That
thirty day integration
was built from feedback from students.
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You know, basically, it's like, what were you
struggling with? What did you find helpful?
Then we made sure that we put that
in there, and we're always continuing to try
to meet the needs
and the wants of our students, our graduates.
And so
less feature feedback and more, it's like, this
I found really helpful.
This is something that I struggled with. And
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so we can really try to meet that
within the app and other types of programs
that we have to follow on because as
we've said, this seven day is a journey
into your heart and is just the beginning.
Well said. And, you know, maybe there's something
as simple as reaching out to a classmate
because
you can almost guarantee that common humanity
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will be an issue here and that if
you're going through it on some level, other
people are too. Don't
suffer in silence.
Reach out for coaching. Reach out for your
post process call.
Do the quad checks on Instagram.
There's so many ways to integrate
the for grads
link on the website
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and the app as well,
and listen to other conversations
people have had on this app about their
life post process. Sometimes
just listening to the podcast actually can be
really helpful.
I wanna thank you, Steve,
Zena,
Kevin.
Grateful,
you guys.
Thank you. This is awesome.
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Great to be here.
Thank you, Drew.
Thank you for listening to our podcast. My
name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and
president of Hoffman Institute Foundation.
And I'm Razzi Grassi,
Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute
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Foundation.
Our mission is to provide people greater access
to the wisdom and power of love. In
themselves, in each other, and in the world.
To find out more, please go to hompaninstitute.org.
Now you've seen the sun.
Now you have connected to your authentic self,
your true self, your essence.
And the clouds will come, and you won't
see the sun again. But you know the
sun is there, and now you have the
tools and practices to help clear those clouds
to reconnect.
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Welcome, everybody. My name is Drew Horning, and
this podcast is called Love's Everyday Radius.
It's brought to you by the Hoffman Institute
and its stories and anecdotes
and people we interview
about their life post process and how it
lives in the world radiating love.
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Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Hoffman podcast and
our panel on life
post process,
including the integration weekend.
Maybe you're listening to this before you've taken
the process, or maybe you've just graduated,
or maybe you're trying to get some help
couple weeks after the process.
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Either way, we're glad you're here. We got
a star studded panel, Steve,
Zena, Kevin,
all Hoffman
teachers experienced
in this journey
in life post process.
Welcome, everybody.
Hey. Thanks, Drew. Good to be here. Glad
to have you all here. Steve, I wanna
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just check-in with you first. Why are we
having this conversation? What's
what's so important
about this post process weekend? Really, what this
question speaks to, Drew, is the reality of
the process is that it is a journey,
a journey that you go on during the
course of the week, but the a journey
that you get to continue for the rest
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of your life.
You know, the really important way of looking
at
personal growth, transformation, healing is that it's not
a one time event.
So the idea that you finished your seven
day process
and, therefore, you get to go back into
your life and
do the same things you've been doing forever
is a really bad idea
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because that's not the way we're designed to
evolve, grow, heal, all those things I mentioned.
So we call the weekend after the process
the integration weekend because your
body, your mind,
your emotions, and your spirit have been through
a lot in the course of that week.
And there is a coming home into yourself
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that can
really be
important to happen during the weekend. And so
we have a whole set of instructions
and best
that you do during the weekend. But primarily,
we want you to spend it by yourself
in nature,
eating nourishing things, not taking any substances unless
they're currently prescribed, but no recreational drugs or
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anything like that. And allow yourself to reflect
on, to contemplate,
and to integrate
these changes that have happened at a cellular
level. And so
jumping back into
going to a concert
Saturday after a process ends on Friday or
going Friday night is not a good idea
because it can impact your integration. That said,
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things happen. We'll talk a little bit later
in the podcast about how to navigate when
the unexpected or life just happens.
But just holding it
in the process as a journey that actually
really begins that weekend, and it's this huge
opportunity to
change the way you move through life, you
relate to yourself, and relate to the world.
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Beautiful. Zena, I wanna bring you in. Maybe
you wanna reflect on your post process weekend
or
things you share with your students. But
what's so important, and why are we even
having this podcast? And what do you suggest
in this
life post process?
So we oftentimes say that each step of
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the process builds on the step before it.
And the integration weekend is very much a
part of the process. It's just not critical
a step in the process.
You oftentimes get to a point by that
Friday where you have
gone deep, you have had quite a journey.
You have uncovered a lot
and it's oftentimes
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a tender space. It's oftentimes a vulnerable space.
So to take those couple of days to
just integrate and let all of that land
and percolate is just so critical. A part
of the process.
I oftentimes tell students it's like trying to
speed up a pregnancy. You just have to
go through the actual
steps. It's just a natural development. You can't
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get there faster.
So those couple of days are so important.
Like Steve said, yes, practice the tools and
practices that you're given that weekend, but really
much more so just to land
and catch your breath
and just be in this new space that
you're in.
I oftentimes tell my students that I what
I wish somebody told me is that tender
space actually lasts longer than just those couple
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of days. And that I wish somebody told
me, you know, do not get on a
party bus with 10 of your closest friends
from abroad and go to a YouTube concert
in New York all week because
it was just an overload and attack on
the senses. And just to give yourself space
even those couple of weeks after the process
to just
land and cocoon if you need to and
just have options in terms of give yourself
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what you need most.
Fantastic.
Certainly,
fatigue is one of those things as well.
Sleep
will be a needed
activity
post process.
But I wanna bring Kevin in here as
the
app czar. This conversation is being spread across
two platforms, both
the podcast
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and
on the app. Kevin, what do you wanna
add here on this important
post process discussion?
Just to echo everything that everyone has said
is it is a the journey continues,
and that's one of the reasons why we
created the app is
to help people remember all the tools and
practices and give them a lot more access
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to over a 50 recordings
and, you know, continuing to grow. The one
thing I really wanna draw attention to is
we have something we call our thirty day
integration,
and it starts on day zero. You know,
the Friday you get out of the process,
then there's different teachers that have done this.
Over thirty days, we have a three to
five minute little video
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that just
reminding you about different aspects of the process
and also have a quad check
along with an appreciation and gratitude in the
evening
as a way to remember. It's like, oh,
we get good at what we practice. And
so let's practice being in that tender space.
Let's practice being connected into spirit. Let's practice
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remembering that you're loved, loving, and lovable by
having a little snippet
each and every day. You know, we've got
over 4,000 people on the app right now
and, you know, continuing to grow. And what
I know from talking to people after the
process
is that the ones who continue to follow-up
with the tools and practices
have a far better landing. Doesn't mean that
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life is perfect, but they can remember it's
like, oh,
I forgot about what happened on day five.
You know? And so you get a chance
to remember that twenty five days later and
to be able to have just a little
snippet each and every day. Yeah. You know,
we don't wanna toot our own horns, but
I'll say this. Grads don't know what they
don't know.
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And as teachers, we know something. And part
of what we've formulated
is based on experience and feedback
that we've gotten from students.
What else would you add here, Steve, about
this? You mentioned
some other stuff you were gonna bring in.
Not doing
well, going against our recommendations. They're not rules.
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We want you to hold it lightly. These
are guidelines.
But for instance,
not knowing when I did the process of
how important,
fruitful the integration weekend can be, I agreed
after the process on Friday to go pick
my kids up at school. That was okay.
So I went and which is really sweet
and awesome. And then we were scheduled to
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go to a 10 family campout nearby, which
I went to and about an hour into
it realized, oh my gosh, this is not
the place for me. And so was able
to course correct and go home and spend
time by myself and do the tools and
practices and do a bunch of recycling.
So I was able to fix it. But,
you know, I do know stories of people
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that do go to YouTube concerts or end
up in big congregant settings.
And it just slows down the pace of
change that people have fought so hard and
earned so deeply over the course of the
week.
Really holding
that it is a journey, not a destination.
We can set ourselves up as humans to
think I did this big piece of work.
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Ah, the work is done.
I can just go and forget about it.
And so I really appreciate Kev talking about
the little reminders
because so much happens during the course of
the process.
It's impossible
to hold it all
in a coherent way, and that's why this
time to reflect, journal, work on a vision
for what you want with these new awarenesses
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and a new sense of being is really,
it's a fruitful time
to engage
in what's next
rather than just falling back into old ways.
And we do
give grabs a book, so pulling out that
book might be
something that can help you. We also have
a segment on it on Friday where we
talk about going home and mention all those
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things. What do you think
students forget, Zaina? You know, what's important
to bring in here
and maybe from your experience as well? What
I often say about my experience is that
when I did Hoffman fifteen years ago,
it was very much a jump start to,
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you know, living life on this right road
with my spiritual self leading the way, but
it was just a start.
It's such a work in progress. One of
the biggest gifts I got from Hoffman is
this lightness of being that I didn't even
know was missing in my life. The other
big gift I got from Hoffman is a
whole set of tools and practices that I
use till this day
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because it is such a work in progress.
You know, I often get the feedback from
students that, oh, you have such snow white
energy. You are so calming and grounded, etcetera.
And I make it a point to stand
up in front of the classroom and say,
yes. And I also have incredible health energy.
And now I know what tools and practices
help support me in coming back to center.
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And I oftentimes say it's in those moments
where I kind of
lose sight most of that best self, that
spiritual self that I am. I've learned to
have my three go to practices, and I
often tell students have those three when you're
not seeing straight.
This is what gets me back.
And just know ahead of time, this is
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what I'm gonna go to when I'm not
seeing straight and I have lost sight of
myself
most. You know, I'll never forget my teacher
telling actually the whole class fifteen years ago
when I did this. Now you've seen the
sun.
Now you have connected to your authentic self,
your true self, your essence,
and the clouds will come. And you won't
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see the sun again, but you know the
sun is there.
And now you have the tools and practices
to help clear those clouds to reconnect.
So like Kevin was saying, repetition and practice
is so critical on this journey. You're not
you're not done after this week. You're just
beginning.
Part of what you're doing there is normalizing
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the
struggles, normalizing cloud cover. It's not a rare
event.
Skies are blue and skies are gray with
clouds. And,
Kevin, often students blame themselves or think they
failed the process when patterns
or dark side messages come in, dark side
attacks.
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It's all very much a part of living,
isn't it?
It's very much part of living. And I
guess you we'd really try to normalize it,
not just within, you know, this thirty day
integration on the app, but also especially on
the Friday of the process
is
it is going to be rough.
You know, Liz, one of our teachers, I've
heard her say this many times, like, to
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integrate is to pendulate.
Coming into the process, we're on our left
road, you swing way over to the right
road,
beautiful,
connected to our authentic being in this nice
little love bubble cocoon.
You go out into your default world
and life hits you in the face sometimes,
and you're going to pendulate over to the
left road.
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And it's like, that's normal. That is absolutely
normal. It's about how do I meet that.
You know, I know for me doing the
process,
I did a tricky thing. I thought, you
know, I need to test to make sure
this really is going to work. I did
everything that was prescribed except for
I didn't recycle any of the patterns about
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going home because if it really worked, I
shouldn't need to. And as soon as I
step through the door, there is this vicious
cycle that just
hit me right in the face, and it
was like,
oh, nothing worked, and it just went into
this big shame spiral. And I actually left.
I turned around, walked out of the house
in tears,
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drove off, and then okay. What are some
of those tools that I remember? And I
was like, oh, yeah. I didn't do any
of the recycling because I wanted to test
to make sure that it works. So sometimes
our intellect can get in the way, at
least for me it did.
Do I really have to do this? If
this really was so transformed, I shouldn't have
to do any of this stuff. And the
fact is is seven days is a short
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period of time.
We do get to see the sun in
our own light and our authenticity,
and we still have to do the work.
And that was a huge wake up call
for me. I tell a few classes about
that as well. But,
yeah, sometimes you think we fail just because
we fall down, and
we learn by getting back up.
Yeah. I love that point, Kevin. And and
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building on the cloudy day from you, Zena,
one thing the process did for me was
it helped me to organize and heal
all of these belief systems and truths,
quote, unquote, that I had about who I
am and the way the world works. And
so now when there's a cloudy day, I'm
in a place to look for the gift
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in the cloudy day, to look for and
see, hey, is there something else that needs
healing that is out of my awareness that
I get to now move through?
And so that speaks to this idea that
the work's not done even for Hoffman teachers.
We're continually
seeing what needs attendance.
The process provided me with the permission
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to actually
get on the journey.
Such a gift that continues to unfold
even if my integration weekend didn't go as
prescribed.
Yeah. Kevin and you all, Steve, are talking
about part of this is that grads feel
so good.
Yes. There's some anxiety,
but there's a real high that can happen,
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and
that can be wonderful
and problematic
because it can give you the illusion of
invincibility,
when in fact, you're actually deeply
vulnerable.
There's a porous nature to
what you've been. And when you come off
of the process,
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life can feel loud, can it? Life can
feel busy, like everybody's talking loudly and moving
fast, and it's surprising. Wouldn't you all say
there's a surprise nature to it? It's very
much a surprise. And even now as a
teacher,
you know, going on eight years, I still
take time in the integration weekend
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coming out of teaching.
I still do a dark side bash
each time that I teach.
You know, I still use the same tools
and practices and take time to integrate back
because I'm operating at a different speed. My
heart is so open
in a different, very vulnerable, tender way.
That
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is different speed of the rest of the
world. Even driving,
be extra careful driving as I leave the
process. It just,
I just I remember each time I teach,
it's like, oh,
I need to be really easy with myself.
So even eight years in, you're not immune
from some of the dynamics that
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students face?
Not at all. But I also find it's
one of my most creative times as well.
That's one of the reasons why I take
more space
is I tend to write, I tend to
journal, I tend to have
many more creative ideas
afterwards because I've unplugged from the world and
all of the other work, anything else that
I have in my life, connected deeply to
spirit. And from there, I find my creativity
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is just on a completely different level.
So I savor that time over the over
that integration weekend.
Zena, you wanna jump in here? Yeah. I
just wanted to
underline a little bit of what we're saying
that, yes, using the tools and practices and
the thirty day app, etcetera.
For me, the key ingredient
that I want people to
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take away from this is having self compassion.
It is such a critical part of using
the tools and practices
of life after Hoffman of life. Generally,
I'll be honest. I left my process and
did not jump into using the tools and
practices immediately,
Partly because I was doing EMDR therapy that
I'd never kind of delved into before, but
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partly because of my patterns, my all or
nothing pattern and my, I don't need anybody.
I can take care of this pattern. And
here I am fifteen years later
as a Hoffman teacher. And I say that
not to follow my example,
but I feel like so often I talk
to students who really beat themselves up for
not using the tools and practices so often
or not doing them the right way or
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self compassion is such a key ingredient
in
how you integrate Hoffman into your life. To
just love yourself through the ups and downs,
whether you're you're using the tools, when you
decide to use the tools and practices to
not do it in a way that you're
beating yourself up. The last thing we want
for you is to have hundreds of new
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ways to beat yourself up,
hundreds of new words to use, hundreds of
new patterns rather than just coming to this
from a place of self love and ease
and grace for yourself.
Yeah. That self compassion is critical.
Steve. Yeah. And that self compassion, which is
so key, is a way to
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feel
what I'm not willing to acknowledge typically that
I'm in some pain
or there's some suffering.
But what that can do is it can
help metabolize
the emotions
and give you information about what you might
need, but it helps us to become embodied.
That's such a huge part of the process
is becoming spirit embodied.
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I love the saying,
wisdom is knowledge embodied.
And so during that integration weekend, this ability
to settle in, to allow the work to
percolate down where the spirit meets the bones
is the opportunity to become more embodied rather
than jumping out and going back into life.
And so that's one of the other big
through lines of the process
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is how can I become more embodied and
tap into my wisdom, tap into my pain
to Zana's point? How can I recognize the
suffering when my intellect just wants to come
up with some excuse to avoid
it? Yeah. And the process
goes so quickly, speaking of intellect,
is sometimes the weekend
is that in a way helping the intellect
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understand
what the heck just happened.
It lets the body, the spirit, the intellect,
and the emotional self
catch up
and make sense of
the intense
seven days that that quadrinity
just experienced.
Yeah, absolutely. You know, something else that I
found it very, very helpful
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is my life is my responsibility.
That is
the most rich four pages, I think, in
that entire booklet.
I've reread that several different times. I was
blown away. I remember sitting down in the
back deck just reading that,
and I had never considered
probably three quarters of what was in there.
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And, you know, talk about intellect catching up.
It's like, oh, yeah.
And there's also it's like, intellect, this is
not all your responsibility.
You know, it's spirit so much in their
bodies in there. You know, the whole quadrinity,
you know, is in there. It's like, oh,
and from
reading it after
embodying
spirit,
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I just found that just incredibly
helpful. And I know at different times when
I've struggled, I've gone back and read some
of those pages again. My life is my
responsibility. The
other big tool that I continue to use
out of that or a practice
is the self love, self forgiveness walk, you
know, going through challenging times.
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And
it's an embody and more embodied way of
self compassion,
I find it's like, you know, just physically
writing things down, getting it out of me,
seeing it,
and then taking her a walk
and then being able to let go of
it, you know, in a much more embodied
way. I'm glad you brought that in there,
Steve. So those are two big things that
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I remember. And we'll put in the show
notes
some links to part of what we're talking
about here so that if people have questions,
what was the self love and self forgiveness
walk? What was
that my life is my responsibility?
But, Zena, you mentioned something about don't do
it because you have to. I was thinking
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about the first day. We talk about surrender
and submission
and live your life post process from a
place of surrender. All the things you learned
during the week, not because you had to,
but because this is what you wanted for
your life.
What else would we bring into the world
for grads?
You know, one thing that you touched on,
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Drew, at the very beginning about catching up
on sleep in the integration week, and I
almost wish we had this part of our
official list of tools and practices, just how
important sleep is. In one sleep seminar, I
attended our amygdala
responsible for that fight, flight, freeze. You know,
the four f's mode is up to 60%
more activated
when we don't get enough sleep. You know,
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I make it a point to share it
with the students that I work with, but
just how important sleep is in supporting us
in using the tools and
supporting us in staying connected to our authentic
self and the place that's embodied
and calm and grounded. That's something that I
would love to kind of put out there
right now, to be honest.
We ask for a reason how many hours
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you got during the week. It's important. It's
that important.
So keep up that sleep practice as we
go. Yeah. I think sleep is key and
setting up a realistic expectation
that
you might be a little emotionally dysregulated
that weekend. I like to tell students you
might giggle whimper.
Did you say giggle whimper?
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Giggle whimper. Yeah. Where you are just dysregulated.
All the feels are flowing through you. And
that's not a sign that you're failing the
process.
The process is a master class in healthy
intimacy
with yourself, with the human condition, with others,
you name it.
And so there can be some withdrawal
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coming out of that. And so
being ready to come back into yourself and
being fine with that and recognizing you now
know how to self disclose and self advocate
and all of these things that we didn't
learn as kids and had to relearn in
the process
can then
set you on the course to
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create the life that you want.
Working on a vision for your life.
My wife and I, we revisit our visions
for our lives every new moon. So 12
times a year, we do that. And we
marvel at, oh my god. Blah blah blah
blah. It all happened.
How can we come more deeply into love
for ourselves and each other? So you're in
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a very fertile space coming out of the
process, so use it. I wanna bring in
and ask you all. We say, remember when
you go out into the world,
it's you who has changed.
And so what are we saying there? Why
do we
tell students that? What do we mean by
that? Well, not expecting other people to
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change for us or that we are going
to change them. One of the things that
I I use around this is
seeing the little one in me
and seeing the little one in somebody else.
When I see somebody acting
uncharacteristically
or, oh, that reminds me of a five
year old is remembering that within everyone, there's
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a little kid that's hurt.
We're reminding that it's like, how can I
give somebody else some grace and at the
same time, set up some good healthy boundaries
the same way we need to do with
young kids?
When somebody else is dysregulated, how do we
set a good healthy boundary versus shaming and
scolding them? So that's one of the things.
And I have my
younger self pictures
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still actually taped to my monitor to remind
myself. One is a six month old and
one is a eight year old.
When I get dysregulated,
I try to just ask myself, how old
do I feel? And then just give love
to that little one.
Because sometimes I find it hard to give
love and compassion to myself as an adult.
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But when I look at that little six
month old chubby smiley face, it's like, oh,
I can give that little guy a lot
of love. And for the eight year old,
I can remember a lot of the pain
that was there,
and I can just love that guy. And
so
if I can do that for myself, I
can certainly do that for others
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while also keeping a good healthy boundary with
them.
Nice. That emotional
child photo. Steve, what were you gonna add?
Yeah.
People don't change because you did the process.
Your
posture towards them might change. Your
insights, your wishes for ways in which they
might change probably become pretty apparent.
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But I think it's really important that we
say sometimes
people or events happen while you're at the
process
that are challenging when you come out of
the process.
I've had students run into all sorts of
life circumstances
and weren't able to engage in the integration
weekend at all. And yet we're able to
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carve out some time a little bit after
that
to dive into the work. So I think
it's important that everyone listening realize there's not
a formula here.
And if things do go pear shaped, as
the Brits say, and people get sick or
arrested or these things that happen,
you can put your integration weekend on pause
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and actually still
have an incredible journey.
And so it has to work for life
and not be not being rigid about this,
being fluid and surrendering
to the reality and meeting it in a
different way as you meet yourself in the
world in a different way. I'm glad you
brought that in because
there are events that happen that interrupt
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what we would have wanted for our integration
weekend, for our integration life.
And we can roll with the punches. We
can adjust
and still
meet it from a spirit led place.
That's great.
I just wanted to add, yes. My life
is my responsibility,
and it's my responsibility
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to clean up my side of the street.
That's all I can do. I can only
clean up my side of the street. I
can't cross over into other people's side of
the street and clean it up for them.
And, yes, it's my responsibility
to take a %
ownership
of my 50%,
but that's it.
You know, no less and no more. And
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that that's also, you know, you were talking
about you've changed, but everyone else hasn't. It's
really about
anchoring
the people around you and your community where
you are, and that's all you can do.
Yeah. I was thinking about that quote around
boundaries. Boundaries are the distance
at which I can both love you
and love me.
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Boundaries are the distance at which I can
both love you and love me.
Yeah. And that you gotta stay in your
lane.
Thank you, Zena.
Last minute things to add in here before
we wrap.
I'd say from an app standpoint,
let us know if you want anything. That
thirty day integration
was built from feedback from students.
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You know, basically, it's like, what were you
struggling with? What did you find helpful?
Then we made sure that we put that
in there, and we're always continuing to try
to meet the needs
and the wants of our students, our graduates.
And so
less feature feedback and more, it's like, this
I found really helpful.
This is something that I struggled with. And
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so we can really try to meet that
within the app and other types of programs
that we have to follow on because as
we've said, this seven day is a journey
into your heart and is just the beginning.
Well said. And, you know, maybe there's something
as simple as reaching out to a classmate
because
you can almost guarantee that common humanity
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will be an issue here and that if
you're going through it on some level, other
people are too. Don't
suffer in silence.
Reach out for coaching. Reach out for your
post process call.
Do the quad checks on Instagram.
There's so many ways to integrate
the for grads
link on the website
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and the app as well,
and listen to other conversations
people have had on this app about their
life post process. Sometimes
just listening to the podcast actually can be
really helpful.
I wanna thank you, Steve,
Zena,
Kevin.
Grateful,
you guys.
Thank you. This is awesome.
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Great to be here.
Thank you, Drew.
Thank you for listening to our podcast. My
name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and
president of Hoffman Institute Foundation.
And I'm Razzi Grassi,
Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute
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Foundation.
Our mission is to provide people greater access
to the wisdom and power of love. In
themselves, in each other, and in the world.
To find out more, please go to hompaninstitute.org.
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