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Breaking barriers in a traditionally male-dominated field, Jan shares her remarkable journey from being told "girls can't be builders" to becoming a respected project manager in residential construction. Growing up in England with a builder grandfather, Jan always dreamed of constructing homes despite family discouragement. After establishing a career in nursing, she finally pursued her true passion by taking residential framing courses and boldly approaching construction companies—even offering to volunteer just to gain experience.

Jan's story highlights the power of persistence. After being initially turned down for a position, she continued reaching out until an opportunity opened. Starting as a crew member doing hands-on construction work, she demonstrated exceptional work ethic until a shoulder injury created an unexpected pivot point. Rather than leaving construction, she transitioned to material coordination and logistics, where her nursing background proved surprisingly valuable. The documentation precision required in healthcare transferred perfectly to construction project management.

Now leading teams of men and women alike, Jan embodies how transferable skills, life experience, and sheer determination can overcome industry stereotypes. Her perspective on the complex realities of construction management—balancing client needs, material lead times, and budgets—demonstrates that building homes requires far more than physical labor. For women considering construction careers or anyone facing discouragement in pursuing their dreams, Jan's path from field worker to project manager serves as powerful inspiration to make construction a first choice rather than a fallback option.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Home Building and Remodeling Show.
Let's go.
Welcome everybody to the HomeBuilding and Remodeling Show.
My name is Chris Kirby and I'llbe your host.

(00:21):
I am the owner of threeconstruction companies on the
Alabama Gulf Coast.
The show is about residentialconstruction.
We're going to cover topics ofhome building and remodeling.
Are you thinking of doing aremodel or building a home?
Are you a contractor looking toimprove your knowledge base or
grow your business?
Have you ever done a remodelproject or built a home?

(00:42):
There were so many things youwish you knew or that you could
have done differently during theprocess.
Then this show is for you.
We break down the process ofbuilding and remodeling and how
to have the best results duringyour project.
Whether you're a DIYer lookingfor tips, someone looking to
hire a contractor to do aproject, or a contractor looking

(01:04):
to expand your knowledge baseor your business, welcome aboard
.
Glad to have you.
Stay tuned.
We kick off the show with mythoughts on home building and
remodeling.
I'll share best practices andtalk about some of our
experiences in business and outin the field.
These shared thoughts andlessons learned are meant to
help you on your very ownjourney.

(01:25):
Let's go.
So this month we're going to betalking about women in
construction.
I sat with Jan.
She's one of our newly promotedproject managers and we had a
discussion, just her sharing herstory, her journey in
construction, and it's apowerful one.
She's from England originally.

(01:46):
She moved over to the States awhile ago.
She met her husband who was inthe Coast Guard.
He's a retired veteran andshe's here in lower Alabama now,
and so it's a great story foryoung women looking to go into
construction and for them to see.
Jan went from working in thefield to, you know, having an

(02:09):
injury with her arm, having todo some rehab, so I put her in
the office and then from theoffice she was doing supply runs
and ordering parts and piecesfor our jobs and for our
projects, and then from there werecently promoted her to
project manager where she'sdoing planning, scheduling and

(02:30):
helping.
The most important part of thatis helping lead our teams.
It's a great conversation thatwe had.
It's an inspiring story.
We always talk about changingthe narrative here on the Home
Building and Remodeling Show,about how construction needs to
be your first choice, not analternate option because you
couldn't do something else.

(02:50):
Jan always wanted to buildhomes.
She always wanted to go intoconstruction and was told she
couldn't, even by her own family.
It's inspiring to see whereshe's at, how far she has come
and now leading people men andwomen alike at our company and
being a part of the managementteam and running things here,

(03:11):
helping us do what we do,whether it's for Kirby Homes or
Kirby Custom building thesehouses.
It's such an inspiring story.
So please listen, comment,share, like and definitely let
Jan know how you feel about herstory and we'll be paying
attention to the comments.
And now we move into Shop Talk.

(03:34):
It's the portion of the showwhere I bring in a co-host and
we cover trending topics in homebuilding and remodeling.
Hope you enjoy, let's go.
Welcome back to the homebuilding and remodeling.
Hope you enjoy, let's go.
Welcome back to the HomeBuilding and Remodeling Show.
I'm here with Jan, one of ournew project managers, and this
week we're going to have anemphasis on women in

(03:56):
construction, but also just theproject manager role in general,
and we're going to talk abouther journey in construction, why
she came into construction andthen some of the new
responsibilities in her positionas a project manager and how
she's going to navigate them.
So welcome, jan.

(04:17):
I appreciate you coming on.
Thank you.
Yep, and we were just talkingabout her being nervous and
everything and kind of, as weget through these first
questions, you know it'll justbe us conversating, all right.
So let's start with whatinspired you to go into the

(04:38):
construction industry.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I've always wanted to be a builder.
Really, my granddad built homesand my uncle took over his
business and I always remembermy granddad telling me I
couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Really.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yes, because I was a girl and in England it would be
too cold and the cold would makeme want to quit, and it just
finds something different.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
So you've been battling that kind of stigma of
the female in construction rolesince you were young.
Yes, wow, okay.
But you did not jumpimmediately into construction no
, okay.
So what did you do before this?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I had a career as a nurse.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Career as a nurse in which you do help out around
here when somebody gets a Momoor you know we got a bunch of
big babies running around, soJan helps us out with that stuff
.
And do you find thatconstruction in any way relates
to the pace or anything innursing or Documentation, I

(05:50):
think, in nursing is a bigaspect, and really even in
construction.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
When it comes to project management,
documentation is a big aspecttoo.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Right, so in nursing documentation can get you, I'm
sure, in some big trouble ifit's not proper.
It can get you out of troubletoo, right, okay, I'm glad you
said that.
And in construction it can getyou into some big trouble, but
also out of trouble.
Out of trouble.
And our documentation protectsboth sides.

(06:21):
You know, it's not just a usversus them when you get into
building these.
It's a let's document so we cango back and reflect on the
conversation.
Okay, so you've been battlingthe stigma of women in
construction, or you know, evenfrom your own family, being told
, hey, that's probably not theright industry for you, right?

(06:42):
Or a female, so that made youwant it even more.
And then, as you came out ofthe nursing industry, how did
you get your start in theconstruction field?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I also always wanted to build my own home.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Gotcha.
So that was a goal of yours.
It was, and did you build yourown house?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I did, you did build your own house With the help of
another construction firm.
Before I came here, I've alwaysloved working.
I always used to help my dad dodifferent things in the house.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
So hands-on stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Hands-on stuff, and so once I knew that I wasn't
going to do nursing anymore, Idecided to take a course in.
I think it was in Baymanette.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Okay, so here locally , you took a.
What kind of course did youtake?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think it was a residential framing building
course, I can't even remember.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
And did you like it?
I loved it.
It was probably at the NorthBaldwin Trade Center.
Okay, good, and like aresidential carpentry course or
something Okay.
And then that was a little bitof book knowledge, but also
hands-on right, it was hands-on.
So what were they teaching youin that course?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
How to use the tools.
Different framing techniques.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
So that that it was basic.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
But very information orientated.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
But you need that.
You need a foundation, right?
So it gave you that foundation,but did that make you more
hungry?
To say, you know what?
I want to figure something outin the construction.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yes, Once I finished it.
I don't know, I had the ballsto go up to Blake at the time
and say, hey, I'll evenvolunteer to get experience,
just let me help out.
And I gained experience thatway too, when he took me on.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
And you with him.
You were doing a little bit ofeverything, right?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like so what was remodel?
Ok, and then we did homebuilding.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
OK, and you were doing some framing as a part of
that, so you were getting greatexposure there.
Ok, and then you know, justlike anything else or any other
industry, when times get tough,it's hard to carry a lot of
people on payroll.
So I'm assuming Blake had todownsize.
He did Okay, and then you foundyour way over to us.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
And at first, you know I don't know if you
remember this At first I wasstruggling to figure out, you
know, how to build the companyand who we wanted.
And you know, do I needexperience versus do I want
somebody fresh?
So we were going back and forthand when you first came, I'm

(09:38):
pretty sure I said we didn'thave a position.
You did, oh my goodness, okay,and I don't know what it was.
But during your interview Icould tell that you were eager
and that you were going to bethe type of person that came in
and worked hard, just based onthe conversation.
So I don't know if it was mecalling you back and saying

(10:02):
we're going to make it work orhow that conversation between me
and you went.
It was persistence, persistenceon your half right.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, you told me that you didn't have any
availability as yet, but youwould keep me in mind when that
time came.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
So to reach back in a month or so, of which I did.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah.
And then I was like okay, andthen you came on and in your
first role here, which was wesaid what three and a half years
ago, roughly February.
February, so four.
It'll be four this next year,okay, so you came in and you had
that little bit of experience.
But also what I look at whenI'm hiring people is life

(10:47):
experience, right.
So you have already been underpressure as a nurse, no doubt
way more than anything we couldput you under pressure with here
, right, different kind ofpressure.
It is a different kind ofpressure but also, just like my
background in the Navy, it was adifferent kind of pressure.
Mission was everything and youknow, not meeting mission was a

(11:11):
big deal for you.
Making mistakes as a nursecould affect people's lives.
So there's a lot of pressureand everything that we do.
But I looked at, you know, justthe total package.
You were a young spring chicken, right.
So you had that life experiencewhich is super valuable to me.

(11:31):
I knew you were willing to workhard.
But I'll tell you what.
Also, jan, that I remember andthis was from church you had
just donated your kidney, hadjust donated your kidney and I
could not believe, like thatwhole story with you know, with

(11:51):
Stacy, and the whole thing, andit just made such an impact on
me and just knowing that youwere that type of person.
Because we try to hire forculture, we try to hire for fit.
We want good people here, notjust people looking to get a job
.
So all of those things playedinto that reverse decision of
let's go ahead and bring her in.

(12:12):
And so back to what I wasasking, though when you came in,
you were hired basically to bea part of a crew, right?
Yeah, so like a crew member,okay, and Were you with Adam at
first, or were you just kind ofgoing?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I worked with Carter first.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
And then Adam.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
And then me and Jeremiah teamed up.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Got it.
So then, one of the firstprojects, if I recall, was the
locker room.
Right, yes, okay, we had builtsome custom lockers for the
football team in the back, and Ican remember walking in to
shoot videos because we'vealways done that and you were
just getting after it, so itdidn't take me long to figure

(12:55):
out like you were going to.
You were about to outwork somepeople and do the right thing,
so from doing that, we broughtyou in, so you did that for a
year or so I think, yeah, a yearand a half and then I thought
you got your yeah your surgery.

(13:16):
Okay, you had shoulder shouldersurgery, but it was also a
situation for us where I didn'twant to lose you and there was
an opportunity for you to dosome material management,
logistics management.
So you went from labor in thefield to requiring surgery and
then we brought you into theoffice.
And what were you doing for usthere?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I was doing material coordinator, purchasing
materials and kind of planningwhat they need and helping the
clients out with choices.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
So let's.
And that's, you know, leadsinto your current role as a
project manager.
But what was the differencethat you saw going from working
in the field as a part of a teamdoing onsite construction to
going into the office?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's not as simple as just getting the material there
.
Yeah, you have other aspectsthat you're relying on.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Like clients, like budget, like just there's such a
more pieces of the puzzle thanthe material just being on the
job.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Right, it's not as simple as go to the local supply
or go to the big box store pickit up, take it to the job.
Right, it's not as simple as goto the local supply or go to
the big box store pick it up,take it to the job.
Okay.
So when you say that, what doyou mean by like the client or
the budget?
So let's talk about the clientfirst.
What do you mean?
You know you can't just go pickit up.
Why not, and how?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
does that it's not my choice.
Right, clients have the choiceof what they want.
Okay, so, for instance, if it'stile, they need to pick out
their tile.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
And sometimes that takes a while and you're waiting
on those to make that choiceRight and you don't feel that
you can pressure them to go.
I'm on a timeline here.
You want your project to start,but ultimately you need to make
the choice Also, once you makethe choice, you then have to
work out what the lead time isto get that tile there.
Choices can vary so much, inthe sense that sometimes they're

(15:20):
a month ETA, sometimes they'rejust a couple of days because
they're in stock.
It makes a difference to howyou're planning.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
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