January 6, 2025 • 15 mins
In Equine Assisted Practices, horses show up differently than when they are being bosses around or manipulated into tricks and trainings. The things horseship ( the relationship with a horse) reveals is so absolutely different than the mind numbing expereinces they go through in the old paradigm, before the "Quiet Revolution".
Check out the list of what they can help us learn, and decide which side of the revolution you'll be on?
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Samson Q2U Microphone & Fa (00:01):
This is, is she able with the horse
human connection matrix podcast?
Recently I've been reflecting onthe name of the podcast and all
that.
It means as I continue tobroaden on different topics and
still circle back to horses.
Sometimes just because it's inthe name and sometimes because
(00:22):
it's a really big part of mylife.
So the matrix.
Is really my life and howeverything is interconnected.
The things that I talk about.
And.
As I.
Get further down this healingpath that I've been on for most
of my life, but morespecifically the transition in
(00:45):
the last 10 years from living ona 200 acre ranch.
Mostly with animals.
Not that I didn't have humancontact.
But transitioning back intointeracting more with humans
with a much greater awareness.
I can't help, but.
Notice and reflect and want toshare about what horses have
(01:06):
taught me.
And it's just, it's, it's veryrich.
And I know that people teachother people and all kinds of
spiritual experiences.
People have broadened theirawarenesses and.
I do believe that the wholeplanet.
Is growing in awareness.
But today I wanted to talkabout.
(01:27):
And list.
Some of the things the horseshave given me some of the
experiences And then.
Talk about human relationships,maybe even specifically romantic
relationships and.
It brings myself clarity to knowwhat I want moving forward,
because like horses, humans arenot meant to live alone.
(01:49):
We are social creatures.
Some of the things horses havetaught me about relationships
are.
That every member belongs, evenwhen leadership is absurd.
And that can happen at any timebecause.
The best horse needs to be theleader, the lead Mayer, who's
(02:10):
responsible for the emotionaland physical wellbeing of the
herd.
Needs to be able to be cuedinto.
Everybody needs to be the mostintuitive, the most aware, not
only of predators in the wild.
But of.
Of the herd and the dynamics.
And so.
That could be challenged at anytime.
(02:32):
And it's to the good of the herdthat the best leader be the
leader.
They've taught me about that.
They've taught me that there'sno ego in being demoted from the
leader or whatever.
Whatever hierarchy gets juggled.
Every member still has value andthey're not seen as.
(02:53):
In a linear fashion, less thanthey're just doing what's best
for the herd.
They've taught me aboutbelonging.
Everybody belongs and.
Some of the ways they've taughtme that is sitting quietly in
stillness.
With them in the round pen.
And being filled with thisfeeling of love being in a love
(03:15):
bubble.
That is what horses.
Must live in all the time.
I felt that several times I feltit at equanimity approaching a
wild herd of 30 horses.
They're forcefield their energylove forcefield is so large and
so powerful that you can, ifyou're sensitive, feel it as you
walk into it.
(03:37):
Horses have taught me stillness.
If you have horses or have beenaround horses, you know about
that usually 10:00 AM head Bobthat happens after their.
After they're done eating.
They often go into a very deepmeditation with a very small
occipital, Bob.
In their head.
And there's a stillness in them.
(03:58):
Especially at that time.
That has taught me a lot.
I I've mentioned before that.
My older mayor, Firefly hasdemonstrated when there's chaos
and, and several beings, horsesand humans in the round pen
together.
How to ground yourself.
(04:19):
And.
I observe and help everybodyelse ground and bring the
situation.
To a different.
Emotional regulation by justbeing still.
And having the intention.
They've taught me about feedbackand slowness in doing.
Meridian work.
(04:41):
Bladder Meridian, acupressureMasterson method.
There's a, a podcast all aboutthat.
And how watching.
For the feedback from the horsein their releases, in their
asking for what they need.
There's a, a loop there that.
I think too often, we don'tapply when we're with humans.
(05:02):
They've taught me about rhythmand connection through rhythm.
And that's not just like ourrhythm of walking, although
that's pertinent.
And it's not.
It's not like always just arhythm of dancing or music.
It's a rhythm in our day.
Like how we connect with ourroutines, how we connect to each
other.
(05:23):
With our rhythms, how ourrhythms can be syncopated or.
I synchronized or chaotic.
They've taught me aboutmirroring.
Now mirroring is something inpsychology.
That is, is really important.
I believe it's a reallyimportant part of any
relationship when we can showthe other person or horses
(05:46):
showing us or horses showingeach other without reactivity.
Who we are, the feedback we getfrom the world.
That's so valuable.
The term, meet them where theyare or.
I'm going to need to meet youwhere you are as a horse
training phrase.
(06:07):
It's also been adopted into alot of psychology.
And it's something that comesfrom.
From knowing horses.
From knowing that.
If they're just regulated,you've got to be where they are
and either bring them down or goup first and then come down.
There's all kinds ofphilosophies about it, but we do
that with people too.
(06:28):
And people call me each otherdown.
Or.
People become unregulatedbecause of each other together.
The way that that affectsmirroring is, is something that
horses teach too, as well asempathy and healing and
leadership and acquiescing.
And.
Retreat and advance.
(06:51):
And asking.
And being excited and havingplayfulness.
All of these things are presentin horse ship.
The relationship people havewith horses.
Oh, they're also.
Things that are so relevant tohuman relationships.
When I think about my humanrelationships, I, I actually
(07:11):
have a list for friendshipsthat.
I was formulated from afriendship that had a lot of
lack and I just wrote downeverything I wish it had and
decided to be those things sothat I could attract people into
my life that could reciprocate.
And.
There's a spiritual, emotional.
(07:32):
Physical.
And mental belief systems thatare really important to me in my
relationships.
I.
I'm not going to end up having aclose relationship with someone
unless they have a spiritualtradition that is.
Welcoming an open.
And did they practice it to somedegree?
And I don't mean dogma and Idon't mean church.
(07:55):
I just mean that they have aspiritual awareness.
And a desire for personalgrowth.
Having someone that's aware oftheir emotions so they can be
somewhat aware of my emotions.
Is really important and criteriafor me too.
I, especially as I'm a personwho can become dysregulated and
(08:15):
not that I need much help withthat anymore.
But I do need awareness andgrace.
I don't know how you can reallyhave a relationship with someone
if you're not aware of your ownemotions or at least if you do.
It's going to be extremelylimited.
Now the physicality, like havinga physical relationship with
(08:36):
someone and if that's in aromantic sense, or even with
friendships, having affection.
And being able to be in the samephysical location, at least some
of the time be in each other's.
Company so that you can feeltheir energy and really be with
them.
That's an important component ofrelationships for me.
And I think for most people,Having a belief in something.
(09:01):
That's bigger than myself in a,in a romantic relationship.
Having the relationship be moreimportant than either person.
Is a concept that I value.
And then having.
Something above therelationship, a spiritual sense
(09:21):
that governs more wellbeing thanjust the relationship and just
the individuals in therelationship.
Is important.
I want to be inspired by myfriends.
I want autonomy.
And I want acceptance.
I want companionship.
And empathy and people to beable to mirror at least to some
(09:43):
degree.
Without being terribly reactive.
It doesn't seem like.
That's asking a whole lot.
But it's difficult.
It's really difficult toconnect, especially at my age.
I'm very fortunate that recentlyI have some new friends that
have really fed me and can meetme where I am with all of those
(10:05):
things.
It seems like it should be moresimple.
Several years ago, I went on atrip.
I wanted to see some of thedesert.
I wanted to see New Mexico andthere's a beautiful.
National park called the healer.
And I went there.
Was slightly off season.
I found somebody with horsesthat led.
(10:26):
Trail rides.
For several days at a time andhunting trips with horses and
donkeys down into canyons andarroyos.
In the New Mexico Heela.
It's it's quite a large area andit's very, very beautiful.
And.
It was off season and demanddidn't have anyone else, but he
(10:50):
was still willing to put me upin what had been his bunkhouse
because his staff had gone home.
And take me on.
A couple of day rides ratherthan an overnight.
As we wrote out, I was happy.
It was just so happy to be doingthis and being on a horse and
being in a beautiful place andhaving someone lead me.
(11:10):
So I didn't have to worry aboutlots of things.
And.
I was fear of going down thisone trail.
It was rather steep and Rockyand my horse was very
surefooted.
I began to feel like I waschanneling.
An Indian woman, a squad.
And I was struck by.
How little conversation therewas between me and this man.
(11:33):
And I think that's where thechanneling came from.
And as I imagined.
Or channeled that I was thisIndian woman from long ago,
riding behind this man onhorseback, down into this
Arroyo, I realized how littlethere was to say.
There was no need to talk aboutpolitics.
(11:54):
There was no need to talk aboutthe earth or how to take care of
it.
That was all part of theculture.
There is no need to talk aboutwhat we were going to eat.
There were no choices.
We were going to eat what wehad.
There was no reason to talkabout.
Where we were going either weknew, or we didn't.
(12:14):
There was no reason to talkabout how I felt.
Because it seemed like we weresharing a lot, even though I
didn't know this person.
There was no reason to talkabout anything.
And.
That reminded me of a silentretreat, but it also reminded me
of.
How much garbage goes throughour heads, how much our modern
(12:36):
culture and society.
Push us to thinking.
And how absolutely unnecessaryit is.
I mean, it is necessary in ourculture, but maybe not.
All of the thinking isnecessary.
And.
It opened my mind to a way ofbeing that could be so simple
(12:57):
and require so little.
To simply be present.
So it seems to me that a lot ofrelationships end up bringing in
the past and the future.
And it garbles them.
Do we really need to knoweverything about someone's past
or even anything about someone'spast?
(13:18):
I mean, yeah.
It's helpful to see how theymight to predict how they might
react in certain situations.
And if they have some triggersfrom past traumas, but really.
In a larger sense.
We are the sum of ourexperiences, but that's not who
we are entirely.
And who we are today, changesevery single day.
(13:40):
I love the adage of whether it'syour friend or your lover.
When you wake up in the morning,asking who are you today?
And I don't mean asking in a waythat they're going to give you
an answer.
I mean asking in a rhetoricalsense as you look at them, who
are you today?
What changed?
What's changing.
(14:03):
I also think.
You're being ABL.
To be truly open and honest andchoosing if we want to be in
that relationship every day isimportant.
There's so many things that arereally simple.
That if we held closer in ourhearts, And pushed more out of
(14:23):
our minds.
That we could simply remainpresent.
And what would that be like?
What would our relationship belike if you could just be
present?
No need to argue or talk aboutthings that really don't matter.
And acceptance of.
You know, I'll eat.
What's presented.
As long as I can.
(14:44):
You know, and if I can't, forsome reason you hope that people
know, see or feel that.
I think that horses have verylittle talking to do.
I mean, they do talk, they'll gonose to nose and explain things
to each other, but they don'thave the thinking that we do.
They do have a sense of pastpresent and future.
I know that for certain.
And.
(15:04):
Mostly they live in the present.
They are such an example for me.
And these things seem importantto me.
If you haven't thought about anyof them before, I hope you do.
If you have thought about them,I hope you hold them close and
they help.
If you like my podcast, pleasegive it a review or follow or
(15:27):
like, or subscribe.
And I'd love to hear frompeople.
There's also a place to donateif you feel so moved to do so.
Plastics.
This is, is she able with the horse
human connection matrix podcast?
Recently I've been reflecting onthe name of the podcast and all
that.
It means as I continue tobroaden on different topics and
still circle back to horses.
Sometimes just because it's inthe name and sometimes because
(00:22):
it's a really big part of mylife.
So the matrix.
Is really my life and howeverything is interconnected.
The things that I talk about.
And.
As I.
Get further down this healingpath that I've been on for most
of my life, but morespecifically the transition in
(00:45):
the last 10 years from living ona 200 acre ranch.
Mostly with animals.
Not that I didn't have humancontact.
But transitioning back intointeracting more with humans
with a much greater awareness.
I can't help, but.
Notice and reflect and want toshare about what horses have
(01:06):
taught me.
And it's just, it's, it's veryrich.
And I know that people teachother people and all kinds of
spiritual experiences.
People have broadened theirawarenesses and.
I do believe that the wholeplanet.
Is growing in awareness.
But today I wanted to talkabout.
(01:27):
And list.
Some of the things the horseshave given me some of the
experiences And then.
Talk about human relationships,maybe even specifically romantic
relationships and.
It brings myself clarity to knowwhat I want moving forward,
because like horses, humans arenot meant to live alone.
(01:49):
We are social creatures.
Some of the things horses havetaught me about relationships
are.
That every member belongs, evenwhen leadership is absurd.
And that can happen at any timebecause.
The best horse needs to be theleader, the lead Mayer, who's
(02:10):
responsible for the emotionaland physical wellbeing of the
herd.
Needs to be able to be cuedinto.
Everybody needs to be the mostintuitive, the most aware, not
only of predators in the wild.
But of.
Of the herd and the dynamics.
And so.
That could be challenged at anytime.
(02:32):
And it's to the good of the herdthat the best leader be the
leader.
They've taught me about that.
They've taught me that there'sno ego in being demoted from the
leader or whatever.
Whatever hierarchy gets juggled.
Every member still has value andthey're not seen as.
(02:53):
In a linear fashion, less thanthey're just doing what's best
for the herd.
They've taught me aboutbelonging.
Everybody belongs and.
Some of the ways they've taughtme that is sitting quietly in
stillness.
With them in the round pen.
And being filled with thisfeeling of love being in a love
(03:15):
bubble.
That is what horses.
Must live in all the time.
I felt that several times I feltit at equanimity approaching a
wild herd of 30 horses.
They're forcefield their energylove forcefield is so large and
so powerful that you can, ifyou're sensitive, feel it as you
walk into it.
(03:37):
Horses have taught me stillness.
If you have horses or have beenaround horses, you know about
that usually 10:00 AM head Bobthat happens after their.
After they're done eating.
They often go into a very deepmeditation with a very small
occipital, Bob.
In their head.
And there's a stillness in them.
(03:58):
Especially at that time.
That has taught me a lot.
I I've mentioned before that.
My older mayor, Firefly hasdemonstrated when there's chaos
and, and several beings, horsesand humans in the round pen
together.
How to ground yourself.
(04:19):
And.
I observe and help everybodyelse ground and bring the
situation.
To a different.
Emotional regulation by justbeing still.
And having the intention.
They've taught me about feedbackand slowness in doing.
Meridian work.
(04:41):
Bladder Meridian, acupressureMasterson method.
There's a, a podcast all aboutthat.
And how watching.
For the feedback from the horsein their releases, in their
asking for what they need.
There's a, a loop there that.
I think too often, we don'tapply when we're with humans.
(05:02):
They've taught me about rhythmand connection through rhythm.
And that's not just like ourrhythm of walking, although
that's pertinent.
And it's not.
It's not like always just arhythm of dancing or music.
It's a rhythm in our day.
Like how we connect with ourroutines, how we connect to each
other.
(05:23):
With our rhythms, how ourrhythms can be syncopated or.
I synchronized or chaotic.
They've taught me aboutmirroring.
Now mirroring is something inpsychology.
That is, is really important.
I believe it's a reallyimportant part of any
relationship when we can showthe other person or horses
(05:46):
showing us or horses showingeach other without reactivity.
Who we are, the feedback we getfrom the world.
That's so valuable.
The term, meet them where theyare or.
I'm going to need to meet youwhere you are as a horse
training phrase.
(06:07):
It's also been adopted into alot of psychology.
And it's something that comesfrom.
From knowing horses.
From knowing that.
If they're just regulated,you've got to be where they are
and either bring them down or goup first and then come down.
There's all kinds ofphilosophies about it, but we do
that with people too.
(06:28):
And people call me each otherdown.
Or.
People become unregulatedbecause of each other together.
The way that that affectsmirroring is, is something that
horses teach too, as well asempathy and healing and
leadership and acquiescing.
And.
Retreat and advance.
(06:51):
And asking.
And being excited and havingplayfulness.
All of these things are presentin horse ship.
The relationship people havewith horses.
Oh, they're also.
Things that are so relevant tohuman relationships.
When I think about my humanrelationships, I, I actually
(07:11):
have a list for friendshipsthat.
I was formulated from afriendship that had a lot of
lack and I just wrote downeverything I wish it had and
decided to be those things sothat I could attract people into
my life that could reciprocate.
And.
There's a spiritual, emotional.
(07:32):
Physical.
And mental belief systems thatare really important to me in my
relationships.
I.
I'm not going to end up having aclose relationship with someone
unless they have a spiritualtradition that is.
Welcoming an open.
And did they practice it to somedegree?
And I don't mean dogma and Idon't mean church.
(07:55):
I just mean that they have aspiritual awareness.
And a desire for personalgrowth.
Having someone that's aware oftheir emotions so they can be
somewhat aware of my emotions.
Is really important and criteriafor me too.
I, especially as I'm a personwho can become dysregulated and
(08:15):
not that I need much help withthat anymore.
But I do need awareness andgrace.
I don't know how you can reallyhave a relationship with someone
if you're not aware of your ownemotions or at least if you do.
It's going to be extremelylimited.
Now the physicality, like havinga physical relationship with
(08:36):
someone and if that's in aromantic sense, or even with
friendships, having affection.
And being able to be in the samephysical location, at least some
of the time be in each other's.
Company so that you can feeltheir energy and really be with
them.
That's an important component ofrelationships for me.
And I think for most people,Having a belief in something.
(09:01):
That's bigger than myself in a,in a romantic relationship.
Having the relationship be moreimportant than either person.
Is a concept that I value.
And then having.
Something above therelationship, a spiritual sense
(09:21):
that governs more wellbeing thanjust the relationship and just
the individuals in therelationship.
Is important.
I want to be inspired by myfriends.
I want autonomy.
And I want acceptance.
I want companionship.
And empathy and people to beable to mirror at least to some
(09:43):
degree.
Without being terribly reactive.
It doesn't seem like.
That's asking a whole lot.
But it's difficult.
It's really difficult toconnect, especially at my age.
I'm very fortunate that recentlyI have some new friends that
have really fed me and can meetme where I am with all of those
(10:05):
things.
It seems like it should be moresimple.
Several years ago, I went on atrip.
I wanted to see some of thedesert.
I wanted to see New Mexico andthere's a beautiful.
National park called the healer.
And I went there.
Was slightly off season.
I found somebody with horsesthat led.
(10:26):
Trail rides.
For several days at a time andhunting trips with horses and
donkeys down into canyons andarroyos.
In the New Mexico Heela.
It's it's quite a large area andit's very, very beautiful.
And.
It was off season and demanddidn't have anyone else, but he
(10:50):
was still willing to put me upin what had been his bunkhouse
because his staff had gone home.
And take me on.
A couple of day rides ratherthan an overnight.
As we wrote out, I was happy.
It was just so happy to be doingthis and being on a horse and
being in a beautiful place andhaving someone lead me.
(11:10):
So I didn't have to worry aboutlots of things.
And.
I was fear of going down thisone trail.
It was rather steep and Rockyand my horse was very
surefooted.
I began to feel like I waschanneling.
An Indian woman, a squad.
And I was struck by.
How little conversation therewas between me and this man.
(11:33):
And I think that's where thechanneling came from.
And as I imagined.
Or channeled that I was thisIndian woman from long ago,
riding behind this man onhorseback, down into this
Arroyo, I realized how littlethere was to say.
There was no need to talk aboutpolitics.
(11:54):
There was no need to talk aboutthe earth or how to take care of
it.
That was all part of theculture.
There is no need to talk aboutwhat we were going to eat.
There were no choices.
We were going to eat what wehad.
There was no reason to talkabout.
Where we were going either weknew, or we didn't.
(12:14):
There was no reason to talkabout how I felt.
Because it seemed like we weresharing a lot, even though I
didn't know this person.
There was no reason to talkabout anything.
And.
That reminded me of a silentretreat, but it also reminded me
of.
How much garbage goes throughour heads, how much our modern
(12:36):
culture and society.
Push us to thinking.
And how absolutely unnecessaryit is.
I mean, it is necessary in ourculture, but maybe not.
All of the thinking isnecessary.
And.
It opened my mind to a way ofbeing that could be so simple
(12:57):
and require so little.
To simply be present.
So it seems to me that a lot ofrelationships end up bringing in
the past and the future.
And it garbles them.
Do we really need to knoweverything about someone's past
or even anything about someone'spast?
(13:18):
I mean, yeah.
It's helpful to see how theymight to predict how they might
react in certain situations.
And if they have some triggersfrom past traumas, but really.
In a larger sense.
We are the sum of ourexperiences, but that's not who
we are entirely.
And who we are today, changesevery single day.
(13:40):
I love the adage of whether it'syour friend or your lover.
When you wake up in the morning,asking who are you today?
And I don't mean asking in a waythat they're going to give you
an answer.
I mean asking in a rhetoricalsense as you look at them, who
are you today?
What changed?
What's changing.
(14:03):
I also think.
You're being ABL.
To be truly open and honest andchoosing if we want to be in
that relationship every day isimportant.
There's so many things that arereally simple.
That if we held closer in ourhearts, And pushed more out of
(14:23):
our minds.
That we could simply remainpresent.
And what would that be like?
What would our relationship belike if you could just be
present?
No need to argue or talk aboutthings that really don't matter.
And acceptance of.
You know, I'll eat.
What's presented.
As long as I can.
(14:44):
You know, and if I can't, forsome reason you hope that people
know, see or feel that.
I think that horses have verylittle talking to do.
I mean, they do talk, they'll gonose to nose and explain things
to each other, but they don'thave the thinking that we do.
They do have a sense of pastpresent and future.
I know that for certain.
And.
(15:04):
Mostly they live in the present.
They are such an example for me.
And these things seem importantto me.
If you haven't thought about anyof them before, I hope you do.
If you have thought about them,I hope you hold them close and
they help.
If you like my podcast, pleasegive it a review or follow or
(15:27):
like, or subscribe.
And I'd love to hear frompeople.
There's also a place to donateif you feel so moved to do so.
Plastics.
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