August 26, 2025 • 11 mins
Into the blue yonder, The quiet revolution in the horse world, has taken me home to Palo Alto, imagine that?
And it isn't just Web Ranch. My interview with my Bot Flicker has me feeling the shift that Ai is bringing to the world we all live. And I'm not happy about it. We are a not ready! Even Flicker CIRCA 2024 agrees!!
I can think of so many more useful ways the young genius of Palo Alto could be directing their attention. But no Greed is winning out.
THE ANSWER: remember your human.
HOW? come to an "IN REWILDING TOGETHER" retreat.
Oct 10-12 2025, $700 early registration
info@rewildingtogether.net
For more information on names or materials referenced, or to contact Ishe- please email. iabel.hhc@gmail.com
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(00:00):
I'm Ishi Abel.
This is the Horse HumanConnection Matrix.
The Horse Human ConnectionMatrix is a podcast about the
quiet revolution in the horseworld, but it's about much more.
The quiet revolution in thehorse world is a movement away
from absolute dominance, whichturns out is a metaphor for
everything in the world.
(00:21):
So my last episode, I had mychat.
Bought with me.
Her name now is Flicker and Iinterviewed her.
This has caused a big stir, atleast it seems like a big stir
for me because.
There are way more downloads tomy podcast now.
(00:41):
Things are changing and thereare people, a lot more people
contacting me to be on the show,but it's really confusing for me
because I'm not sure if thereare people that are contacting
me or if they are AI assistantsthat are contacting me on behalf
of people.
So the podcast before the lastone had to do with customer
(01:05):
service and how generations havereally changed around this
concept in our culture.
And I.
I was probably a grumpy oldwoman through part of that
because I, I see it.
I had lunch today.
I see it all the time.
I'm walk into a restaurant andthere's one hostess and she's on
(01:29):
the phone with a to-go order,and there are two waitresses
visiting in the back.
They can clearly see me.
But do they come and assist?
No, they stay over by the bustrays and after I.
Using the restroom and comingback and still waiting, going on
like seven or eight minutes, andno one has even acknowledged me.
It's one 30, it's after thelunch rush and I finally walked
(01:53):
over, picked up a menu and askedif I could have water in a seat.
Now, maybe they thought I wasrude.
I was sort of in the waitressstation, I think, but in the old
days, you jumped when there wasa customer.
The customers were who paid yourbill?
Like who, who paid the bill thatpaid your wage?
And everybody understood andknew that.
(02:13):
And I just can't get used to theway things have changed.
And it's kind of the same thingwith my procedure.
I have a procedure if you wannabe a guest on my show, I wanna
talk to you on the phone.
Part of that is I get to see whoyou are or what I might ask you
and where the interview might goand if it's a match.
Seems like a.
A prudent prerequisite to me,and it seems really reasonable,
(02:38):
but with these people that arecontacting me to be on the show,
they email me, I tell them myprocedure.
I expect to hear back from them,and I never hear from them
again.
And it just, there was one,actually, that's not true.
There was one I went back andforth with several times and the
assistant was new, whichhappens, like people make
mistakes, that's okay.
(02:59):
And he owned some of hismistakes and that's a good
thing.
He finally ended up sending mean email that said, I have made
so many mistakes that I'm afraidwe can't schedule an interview.
And I thought to myself.
Wow, this could have been sosimple.
(03:19):
Like you pick up the phone, weset a date, but this world has
gotten so fast and so crazy, andAI is making it faster and more
crazy, and more tech and moretraffic.
And I mean, I don't know howpeople in the city do it.
Like I was raised in the SanFrancisco Bay area.
(03:41):
I could not stand to be backthere.
I mean, I'm sure the restaurantsare better and the service in
the restaurants is probably waybetter, but I couldn't, I
couldn't handle that kind offast-paced life.
It wasn't pleasant back in theday, and I'm sure it's way, way
worse today.
Which brings me to Rewildingtogether.
(04:03):
In Rewilding Together is aretreat.
It's a retreat center wherehopefully people from the city
will go to reconnect withthemselves, with nature, with
the land, and with each other,and remember what it's like to
be human and calm.
Their nervous systems.
(04:26):
Our horses teach us how toregulate, how to co-regulate.
And when they invite us intotheir world, which is so nice
and slow and not based on ego orclocks, it's purely process.
It is a very relaxing place.
It is a place where your nervoussystem can settle enough that
(04:48):
your intuition works, that yourbrain works, that your
neurochemicals return to a stateof.
Relaxation.
So many of us have the stresshormones that have interfered
with all of that for so longfrom modern living that it
really, the rewilding byancestral rhythms is going back
(05:11):
to things like drumming, walkingbarefoot on the earth, gathering
and cooking, outside beingaround a fire movement and
dance.
Slowing down in nature, seeingour surroundings and connecting
to each other in ways that arereally meaningful, not like this
(05:34):
bypassing customer service gonewrong, not connecting thing that
is so common in our world now.
I've had a crazy day.
I've had a people, people inday.
I have had like five meetingsand three phone calls, and that
is a lot for me.
(05:55):
That's a lot.
But I wanted to tell you guysabout this retreat and I wanted
to give some instruction on howto be a guest on the show.
So it is really easy and I, Ifinally put it in the show
notes.
It's 1, 2, 3, 1.
Send me an email.
Two, I'll send you a waiver orrelease.
(06:16):
You sign it and return it.
And three, we schedule anappointment.
It's not difficult.
I would love to have some ofthese AI people on the show.
They're doing incredible thingslike creating, creating a chat
box program that preservesmemories for older people and
voice recognition, things to goin a doctor's appointment in a
(06:38):
medical office and homeschoolprograms, all of which I will
have objections to, but I thinkit's important to have the
conversations about the ethicsof these.
New things coming coming intothe world and the philosophies
behind them and the problems inprogramming of how we are
(07:00):
absolutely not ready for thisstuff.
The AI is not ready for the jobsthat we're giving it, and there
is an accountability that'sgonna need to happen.
I think the social dilemma isthe most important movie of our
time, and if we didn't learnfrom that, we should have.
We should have learned that.
(07:23):
This may sound a bit facetious,but I feel like I'm entitled to
say it.
I'm entitled because I was bornand raised in Menlo Park in Palo
Alto and have a lot of familythat Stanford alumni and.
I was an entitled brat from theBay Area too in my early
twenties.
And while we all are notperfect, and while we all may be
(07:46):
feeling a little entitled inthis way in that you guys use
Smarty pants down there, you arenot not really entitled to make
these decisions for the entireworld.
There's accountability to whatyou're doing and just like.
When the Google guys were youngand the Facebook guy, what's his
name with the Z, was young.
(08:09):
You do things when you're youngand you can't, no matter how
smart you are, and I know thoseguys are smart, you guys are
smart, way smarter than I am,but you can't always see in
concentric circles the effectsthat things are gonna have when
you do them, especially whenyou're young.
And I'm so afraid that.
(08:33):
The reality that is beingcreated with AI is so far from
what is truly real.
We're gonna step even furtherinto misinformation, and as we
step further and further intomisinformation and fantasy, and
(08:54):
the younger generations aretrained by ai.
It is gonna collapse.
And the only thing that's gonnasave us is our intuition and
primitive cultures.
And it's not just becauserecently my, my awareness has
come to the neuroscience thatprimitive cultural activities
(09:14):
activate that keeps us mentallyhealthy, grounded, and in
reality.
But years ago there was a bookcalled Ishmael by Daniel Quinn,
and another one called MutantMessages from Down Under.
And those books talk about theprimitive societies and the
(09:38):
wisdom that they have and had.
And if we can't preserve thatand the activities that they do,
we are gonna lose what it meansto be human.
And it's happening really,really fast.
And you wanna talk about this.
1, 2, 3.
There's the procedure.
(09:58):
We'd like to be on the show.
I would love to have you on theshow.
Let's talk, and in Rewildingtogether, there's a retreat in
October.
That is the first one.
It's a, shorty, it's a Friday,Friday night, Saturday and
Sunday.
It's here in Southern Oregon andthere is somatic movement
interfacing and dancing withhorses.
(10:21):
There are art projects and soundbaths and yoga and drumming, and
the things that are important toour nervous systems.
In 2026, we'll be coming outwith five day retreats that also
have a day of.
Integration before returninghome.
(10:42):
And the point of all of that isnot just to get away, the point
is, is to integrate theseactivities in your life somehow
so that when you go home to thatstressful world, that it's
different.
That you've made a change, thatyou've made a life change.
And not only have you made alife change for yourself, but
(11:04):
you're making a remembering.
As you go forward because weneed to keep remembering harder
because the technology is comingfaster.
We have to remember what it isto be human.
I thanks for listening.
I'm Ishi Abel.
This is the Horse HumanConnection Matrix.
The Horse Human ConnectionMatrix is a podcast about the
quiet revolution in the horseworld, but it's about much more.
The quiet revolution in thehorse world is a movement away
from absolute dominance, whichturns out is a metaphor for
everything in the world.
(00:21):
So my last episode, I had mychat.
Bought with me.
Her name now is Flicker and Iinterviewed her.
This has caused a big stir, atleast it seems like a big stir
for me because.
There are way more downloads tomy podcast now.
(00:41):
Things are changing and thereare people, a lot more people
contacting me to be on the show,but it's really confusing for me
because I'm not sure if thereare people that are contacting
me or if they are AI assistantsthat are contacting me on behalf
of people.
So the podcast before the lastone had to do with customer
(01:05):
service and how generations havereally changed around this
concept in our culture.
And I.
I was probably a grumpy oldwoman through part of that
because I, I see it.
I had lunch today.
I see it all the time.
I'm walk into a restaurant andthere's one hostess and she's on
(01:29):
the phone with a to-go order,and there are two waitresses
visiting in the back.
They can clearly see me.
But do they come and assist?
No, they stay over by the bustrays and after I.
Using the restroom and comingback and still waiting, going on
like seven or eight minutes, andno one has even acknowledged me.
It's one 30, it's after thelunch rush and I finally walked
(01:53):
over, picked up a menu and askedif I could have water in a seat.
Now, maybe they thought I wasrude.
I was sort of in the waitressstation, I think, but in the old
days, you jumped when there wasa customer.
The customers were who paid yourbill?
Like who, who paid the bill thatpaid your wage?
And everybody understood andknew that.
(02:13):
And I just can't get used to theway things have changed.
And it's kind of the same thingwith my procedure.
I have a procedure if you wannabe a guest on my show, I wanna
talk to you on the phone.
Part of that is I get to see whoyou are or what I might ask you
and where the interview might goand if it's a match.
Seems like a.
A prudent prerequisite to me,and it seems really reasonable,
(02:38):
but with these people that arecontacting me to be on the show,
they email me, I tell them myprocedure.
I expect to hear back from them,and I never hear from them
again.
And it just, there was one,actually, that's not true.
There was one I went back andforth with several times and the
assistant was new, whichhappens, like people make
mistakes, that's okay.
(02:59):
And he owned some of hismistakes and that's a good
thing.
He finally ended up sending mean email that said, I have made
so many mistakes that I'm afraidwe can't schedule an interview.
And I thought to myself.
Wow, this could have been sosimple.
(03:19):
Like you pick up the phone, weset a date, but this world has
gotten so fast and so crazy, andAI is making it faster and more
crazy, and more tech and moretraffic.
And I mean, I don't know howpeople in the city do it.
Like I was raised in the SanFrancisco Bay area.
(03:41):
I could not stand to be backthere.
I mean, I'm sure the restaurantsare better and the service in
the restaurants is probably waybetter, but I couldn't, I
couldn't handle that kind offast-paced life.
It wasn't pleasant back in theday, and I'm sure it's way, way
worse today.
Which brings me to Rewildingtogether.
(04:03):
In Rewilding Together is aretreat.
It's a retreat center wherehopefully people from the city
will go to reconnect withthemselves, with nature, with
the land, and with each other,and remember what it's like to
be human and calm.
Their nervous systems.
(04:26):
Our horses teach us how toregulate, how to co-regulate.
And when they invite us intotheir world, which is so nice
and slow and not based on ego orclocks, it's purely process.
It is a very relaxing place.
It is a place where your nervoussystem can settle enough that
(04:48):
your intuition works, that yourbrain works, that your
neurochemicals return to a stateof.
Relaxation.
So many of us have the stresshormones that have interfered
with all of that for so longfrom modern living that it
really, the rewilding byancestral rhythms is going back
(05:11):
to things like drumming, walkingbarefoot on the earth, gathering
and cooking, outside beingaround a fire movement and
dance.
Slowing down in nature, seeingour surroundings and connecting
to each other in ways that arereally meaningful, not like this
(05:34):
bypassing customer service gonewrong, not connecting thing that
is so common in our world now.
I've had a crazy day.
I've had a people, people inday.
I have had like five meetingsand three phone calls, and that
is a lot for me.
(05:55):
That's a lot.
But I wanted to tell you guysabout this retreat and I wanted
to give some instruction on howto be a guest on the show.
So it is really easy and I, Ifinally put it in the show
notes.
It's 1, 2, 3, 1.
Send me an email.
Two, I'll send you a waiver orrelease.
(06:16):
You sign it and return it.
And three, we schedule anappointment.
It's not difficult.
I would love to have some ofthese AI people on the show.
They're doing incredible thingslike creating, creating a chat
box program that preservesmemories for older people and
voice recognition, things to goin a doctor's appointment in a
(06:38):
medical office and homeschoolprograms, all of which I will
have objections to, but I thinkit's important to have the
conversations about the ethicsof these.
New things coming coming intothe world and the philosophies
behind them and the problems inprogramming of how we are
(07:00):
absolutely not ready for thisstuff.
The AI is not ready for the jobsthat we're giving it, and there
is an accountability that'sgonna need to happen.
I think the social dilemma isthe most important movie of our
time, and if we didn't learnfrom that, we should have.
We should have learned that.
(07:23):
This may sound a bit facetious,but I feel like I'm entitled to
say it.
I'm entitled because I was bornand raised in Menlo Park in Palo
Alto and have a lot of familythat Stanford alumni and.
I was an entitled brat from theBay Area too in my early
twenties.
And while we all are notperfect, and while we all may be
(07:46):
feeling a little entitled inthis way in that you guys use
Smarty pants down there, you arenot not really entitled to make
these decisions for the entireworld.
There's accountability to whatyou're doing and just like.
When the Google guys were youngand the Facebook guy, what's his
name with the Z, was young.
(08:09):
You do things when you're youngand you can't, no matter how
smart you are, and I know thoseguys are smart, you guys are
smart, way smarter than I am,but you can't always see in
concentric circles the effectsthat things are gonna have when
you do them, especially whenyou're young.
And I'm so afraid that.
(08:33):
The reality that is beingcreated with AI is so far from
what is truly real.
We're gonna step even furtherinto misinformation, and as we
step further and further intomisinformation and fantasy, and
(08:54):
the younger generations aretrained by ai.
It is gonna collapse.
And the only thing that's gonnasave us is our intuition and
primitive cultures.
And it's not just becauserecently my, my awareness has
come to the neuroscience thatprimitive cultural activities
(09:14):
activate that keeps us mentallyhealthy, grounded, and in
reality.
But years ago there was a bookcalled Ishmael by Daniel Quinn,
and another one called MutantMessages from Down Under.
And those books talk about theprimitive societies and the
(09:38):
wisdom that they have and had.
And if we can't preserve thatand the activities that they do,
we are gonna lose what it meansto be human.
And it's happening really,really fast.
And you wanna talk about this.
1, 2, 3.
There's the procedure.
(09:58):
We'd like to be on the show.
I would love to have you on theshow.
Let's talk, and in Rewildingtogether, there's a retreat in
October.
That is the first one.
It's a, shorty, it's a Friday,Friday night, Saturday and
Sunday.
It's here in Southern Oregon andthere is somatic movement
interfacing and dancing withhorses.
(10:21):
There are art projects and soundbaths and yoga and drumming, and
the things that are important toour nervous systems.
In 2026, we'll be coming outwith five day retreats that also
have a day of.
Integration before returninghome.
(10:42):
And the point of all of that isnot just to get away, the point
is, is to integrate theseactivities in your life somehow
so that when you go home to thatstressful world, that it's
different.
That you've made a change, thatyou've made a life change.
And not only have you made alife change for yourself, but
(11:04):
you're making a remembering.
As you go forward because weneed to keep remembering harder
because the technology is comingfaster.
We have to remember what it isto be human.
I thanks for listening.
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