April 11, 2025 • 13 mins
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Samson Q2U Microphone & Face (00:01):
Is she able here with the Horse
Human Connection Matrix?
Today's podcast is about tyingseveral of the more recent
podcasts together and somereflections I have and metaphors
that I.
You know, I couldn't have set itup any better.
The guests that I've had and thethings that they've talked about
(00:23):
and how there's been this commonthread weaving through all of
the talk about horses and thematrix and dominance and how we
can change things.
So way back interviewing RupertIsaacson.
He said something at the end ofthe podcast when I asked him if
he was part of the quietrevolution in the horse world,
(00:45):
and what he said was somethingto the effect of that it's
bigger than that, that he coulddefinitely buy into.
Shifting in the way humans arethat he sees happening all over.
That what I'm doing with thehorses and the dominant seems to
(01:06):
be a metaphor for, and when I goback to Ginny Patel Thompson's
early interviews, you know,she's so much about being
present, listening to yourhorse.
Developing ways to enter intotheir culture and have an open
(01:26):
mind.
And that really is the beginningof all of it.
Admitting that we have a problemin our culture and, and that's
the first step to trying to bethe change, to enact the change.
A lot of the conversations withLuke and Braver Angels are are
also reflecting that place wherewe are with this incredible
(01:51):
political divide.
That isn't serving anyone.
And it's serving to dismantleour country, which personally I
think is a good thing.
But maybe not in the sense thata lot of people that really
support Trump would say, I mean,I see a much bigger dismantling,
a much larger.
Oh, I love to think about Cali,the Hindu goddess of destruction
(02:14):
and how everything has to comeapart before it can be rebuilt.
And I think back 20, 25 years,even 30 years when my kids were
little, seeing all of theproblems with the education
system, the medical system a lotof things that were broken in
this country, the.
(02:35):
The corrupt politicalness, theway bills are written, the way
lobbyists are driven by bigbusiness.
Like all of these things havebeen problems for most of my
lifetime, and I hold that upagainst consciousness raising
and.
When we slow down enough, whenwe meditate, when we watch our
(02:58):
thoughts, when we look closely,and part of this is my autistic
brain digging deep and thinkinglong and hard about where the
problems stem from and what outof the box solutions there could
be.
So the interview with Luke andBraver Angels, that really
outlines very simple things,like whatever's happening
(03:21):
politically, we are stillAmericans, and before that we
are all part of humanity and howwe wanna treat each other, how
we wanna listen to each other,how we want to focus on what's
the same, what's common.
And I think.
(03:41):
He made some really good pointsabout when we break down,
whether you're red or blue, andwe break down what we want.
We all want a strong economy, orwe want access to the goods and
services that we need.
We all want to support ourfamilies and have close loving
relationships.
We wanna feel safe.
We wanna feel heard.
(04:03):
We wanna feel like we have astructure in place that's bigger
than us that we can rely on.
I don't think anybody doesn'twant those things.
And yet in the interview withRupert, he outlines the culture
in south African bush Bushman,that doesn't have a hierarchy,
(04:26):
that doesn't have leaders, thatrelies on the shaman to go into
the unseen world to fix problemsenergetically between people
when things get too sticky.
And I look at our culture andhow we have like a new age
movement or back in the sixtiesand seventies we had a lot of
(04:46):
hippies or communes or, ordifferent ideas that were
counterculture counter to theculture of having any kind of
government.
And how does this relate tohorse training?
Well, let's think about that forjust a minute.
When we govern our horses with agovernment like natural
(05:10):
horsemanship or any overlay ofcomplete dominance, that's kind
of what we're doing.
There's a lot of stuff flyingaround on Facebook about right
now, about how we've beentricked, how we've been
dominated, how been lied to, andhow all of this needs to be
dismantled.
And I'm not going to tell youit's gonna start with natural
(05:33):
horsemanship, but if you thinkabout it, there is a metaphor
there.
There's a very good metaphorthere.
When I looked to my interviewwith Sarah my dear friend,
Sarah's weeping Pearl episode,and how she decided to not call
her cancer cancer, how shedecided to not ever say she was
(05:57):
fighting cancer.
Because she's not, she's livingwith it.
Our words, our thoughts becomeour words.
Our words become our deeds andactions, and our deeds and
actions dictate our reality andthe lens that we look through.
(06:17):
So we best be careful.
We best stop.
Catch our thoughts, and ifthey're garbage negative, drag
'em to the trash, throw themaway, replace them with
something more spiritual orpositive.
I so admire Sarah for all of thecommentary and how she has
(06:38):
mindfully navigated her dyingand.
It doesn't escape me that ourculture is dying in a lot of
ways and needs to, again, withthe Cali, right, the
destruction, the death, and outof that death comes rebirth.
Craig Smith had quite thecommentary on our culture,
(07:01):
likening it to an addict,talking about the narcissistic
qualities of our culture and howwe're addicted to power and
materialism, and how thesethings spring naturally out of
colonialism and capitalism.
And he's not wrong.
He's not wrong about any of it,and I see how it fits.
(07:22):
How this growing awareness, andI keep hearing these
conversations and Carissa quotedhaving one recently with friends
about the colonialism, and Ithink that it's the conversation
that Luke started about thepolarity that people feel that
has them looking for anotheranswer, has them looking at
(07:43):
things through a different lens,having them go back to like,
where did this start?
How did we get in so muchtrouble?
There are all these things inour culture that people wanna
change, and there are thingsabout horse training that I
wanna change and they're,they're very similar, pulling it
together.
(08:04):
You know, interviewing Carissaafter interviewing Craig and,
and what Kai had to say aboutour environment is so important.
And there was such a great seguefrom a lot of Craig's talk about
you can't understand an organismunless you understand its
environment is so true.
Like, I can apply that to somany things, right?
(08:25):
I can apply it to myself andpeople I meet, I can apply it
to.
How we interact with people indifferent environments, how
other people interact indifferent environments, and
where we come from as a, as abase, what our childhood
experiences are, how all ofthose conversations segued into
(08:45):
like the narcissist view, thecolonialism, and then mental
health as Carissa took us backthrough.
The history of mental health andthe history of horse training
and gave us context at thoseintersections, it really, oh my
(09:06):
gosh.
It gives so much context to myentire podcast.
Right.
And I'm also so grateful, youknow, I wanted to interview her
first when I first began thepodcast and she was so busy and
had to really kind of think andevolve'cause she's such a great
thinker and I'm just sospontaneous.
But I'm so grateful that itworked out.
(09:26):
Her interview came when it didafter Ginny, after Rupert, after
Luke, after Sarah, and afterCraig because, and after Kai.
Because all of thoseconversations are part of what
she was talking about, andthere's been such an interactive
thread pulling through all ofthese interviews that I am
(09:48):
absolutely amazed.
It definitely feels like a Godthing.
And then we land with Amanda.
Who echoes a lot of Carissa'sbelief and offers new insights
about moving forward that circleso nicely.
Back to Rupert and Jenny's earlyconversations also about.
(10:13):
Our need to slow down andlisten.
Our need to challenge ourbeliefs, our need to challenge
if our culture is appropriate inso many ways, and we're doing
that with the quiet revolutionin the horse world.
We're doing that by challengingabsolute dominance.
We're doing that by wanting tooffer horses more of a choice.
(10:35):
We're doing that by coming intotheir culture.
Developing deep foundationalrelationships with them and
listening to their wisdom.
One of my very favorite books ofall time is Ishmael by Daniel
Quinn.
I read it years ago, but it wasa life-changing book, and it's a
(10:57):
really weird kind of story abouta talking ape in a hotel room.
And the friend that recommendedit kept saying to me, stay with
it.
Once you get a third of the waythrough, you'll wanna finish it.
It'll go quick, but it's kind ofweird in the beginning.
And she was right, but this bookchanged my life and it helped
that.
I also read mutant messages fromdown under for the second time
(11:20):
as I was reading Ishmael.
And what these two books told meis that.
The activities and the structureof our primitive cultures are
going to be the saving grace ofhumanity.
Back before Mesopotamia, backbefore gardening, farming
(11:45):
civilization, as we know it,nomadic tribes didn't take from
the earth.
In Ishmael, he calls them takersand leavers.
And the lever, the leverculture.
Is the one that we're going toneed to look to, to not only
protect the earth, but toprotect our humanity and mutant
(12:08):
messages from down under is alsoa crazy story.
The first time it's, it's afictional book, but it's not.
The first time I read it, Ithought it was fiction.
The second time I read it withIshmael, I realized it was real
to the bone, that you absolutelycan smell water in the desert.
That you can rely on spiritualguides for survival, that when
(12:31):
you become more acquainted withand one with your environment,
the natural environment of theearth, you're in a different
place.
And.
I discovered that last springwhen I talk about being in right
relationship, that episode, andeating the wild greens, and then
(12:51):
being able to find plants moreeasily.
I know, I absolutely know thatMutant Messages is not a, a
fictional book and the awarenessthat comes.
From opening up our minds thatAmerica isn't great, that
(13:16):
colonialism and capitalism,while they're functioning
historical things that offered alot as an experiment are not the
way we're meant to live.
Now, horses are here to remindus of what we knew when we first
began living with them way, way,way back.
When.
(13:37):
That's where I am.
That's what I think the quietrevolution in the horse world
isn't just about horses.
It's about humanity surviving.
Is she able here with the Horse
Human Connection Matrix?
Today's podcast is about tyingseveral of the more recent
podcasts together and somereflections I have and metaphors
that I.
You know, I couldn't have set itup any better.
The guests that I've had and thethings that they've talked about
(00:23):
and how there's been this commonthread weaving through all of
the talk about horses and thematrix and dominance and how we
can change things.
So way back interviewing RupertIsaacson.
He said something at the end ofthe podcast when I asked him if
he was part of the quietrevolution in the horse world,
(00:45):
and what he said was somethingto the effect of that it's
bigger than that, that he coulddefinitely buy into.
Shifting in the way humans arethat he sees happening all over.
That what I'm doing with thehorses and the dominant seems to
(01:06):
be a metaphor for, and when I goback to Ginny Patel Thompson's
early interviews, you know,she's so much about being
present, listening to yourhorse.
Developing ways to enter intotheir culture and have an open
(01:26):
mind.
And that really is the beginningof all of it.
Admitting that we have a problemin our culture and, and that's
the first step to trying to bethe change, to enact the change.
A lot of the conversations withLuke and Braver Angels are are
also reflecting that place wherewe are with this incredible
(01:51):
political divide.
That isn't serving anyone.
And it's serving to dismantleour country, which personally I
think is a good thing.
But maybe not in the sense thata lot of people that really
support Trump would say, I mean,I see a much bigger dismantling,
a much larger.
Oh, I love to think about Cali,the Hindu goddess of destruction
(02:14):
and how everything has to comeapart before it can be rebuilt.
And I think back 20, 25 years,even 30 years when my kids were
little, seeing all of theproblems with the education
system, the medical system a lotof things that were broken in
this country, the.
(02:35):
The corrupt politicalness, theway bills are written, the way
lobbyists are driven by bigbusiness.
Like all of these things havebeen problems for most of my
lifetime, and I hold that upagainst consciousness raising
and.
When we slow down enough, whenwe meditate, when we watch our
(02:58):
thoughts, when we look closely,and part of this is my autistic
brain digging deep and thinkinglong and hard about where the
problems stem from and what outof the box solutions there could
be.
So the interview with Luke andBraver Angels, that really
outlines very simple things,like whatever's happening
(03:21):
politically, we are stillAmericans, and before that we
are all part of humanity and howwe wanna treat each other, how
we wanna listen to each other,how we want to focus on what's
the same, what's common.
And I think.
(03:41):
He made some really good pointsabout when we break down,
whether you're red or blue, andwe break down what we want.
We all want a strong economy, orwe want access to the goods and
services that we need.
We all want to support ourfamilies and have close loving
relationships.
We wanna feel safe.
We wanna feel heard.
(04:03):
We wanna feel like we have astructure in place that's bigger
than us that we can rely on.
I don't think anybody doesn'twant those things.
And yet in the interview withRupert, he outlines the culture
in south African bush Bushman,that doesn't have a hierarchy,
(04:26):
that doesn't have leaders, thatrelies on the shaman to go into
the unseen world to fix problemsenergetically between people
when things get too sticky.
And I look at our culture andhow we have like a new age
movement or back in the sixtiesand seventies we had a lot of
(04:46):
hippies or communes or, ordifferent ideas that were
counterculture counter to theculture of having any kind of
government.
And how does this relate tohorse training?
Well, let's think about that forjust a minute.
When we govern our horses with agovernment like natural
(05:10):
horsemanship or any overlay ofcomplete dominance, that's kind
of what we're doing.
There's a lot of stuff flyingaround on Facebook about right
now, about how we've beentricked, how we've been
dominated, how been lied to, andhow all of this needs to be
dismantled.
And I'm not going to tell youit's gonna start with natural
(05:33):
horsemanship, but if you thinkabout it, there is a metaphor
there.
There's a very good metaphorthere.
When I looked to my interviewwith Sarah my dear friend,
Sarah's weeping Pearl episode,and how she decided to not call
her cancer cancer, how shedecided to not ever say she was
(05:57):
fighting cancer.
Because she's not, she's livingwith it.
Our words, our thoughts becomeour words.
Our words become our deeds andactions, and our deeds and
actions dictate our reality andthe lens that we look through.
(06:17):
So we best be careful.
We best stop.
Catch our thoughts, and ifthey're garbage negative, drag
'em to the trash, throw themaway, replace them with
something more spiritual orpositive.
I so admire Sarah for all of thecommentary and how she has
(06:38):
mindfully navigated her dyingand.
It doesn't escape me that ourculture is dying in a lot of
ways and needs to, again, withthe Cali, right, the
destruction, the death, and outof that death comes rebirth.
Craig Smith had quite thecommentary on our culture,
(07:01):
likening it to an addict,talking about the narcissistic
qualities of our culture and howwe're addicted to power and
materialism, and how thesethings spring naturally out of
colonialism and capitalism.
And he's not wrong.
He's not wrong about any of it,and I see how it fits.
(07:22):
How this growing awareness, andI keep hearing these
conversations and Carissa quotedhaving one recently with friends
about the colonialism, and Ithink that it's the conversation
that Luke started about thepolarity that people feel that
has them looking for anotheranswer, has them looking at
(07:43):
things through a different lens,having them go back to like,
where did this start?
How did we get in so muchtrouble?
There are all these things inour culture that people wanna
change, and there are thingsabout horse training that I
wanna change and they're,they're very similar, pulling it
together.
(08:04):
You know, interviewing Carissaafter interviewing Craig and,
and what Kai had to say aboutour environment is so important.
And there was such a great seguefrom a lot of Craig's talk about
you can't understand an organismunless you understand its
environment is so true.
Like, I can apply that to somany things, right?
(08:25):
I can apply it to myself andpeople I meet, I can apply it
to.
How we interact with people indifferent environments, how
other people interact indifferent environments, and
where we come from as a, as abase, what our childhood
experiences are, how all ofthose conversations segued into
(08:45):
like the narcissist view, thecolonialism, and then mental
health as Carissa took us backthrough.
The history of mental health andthe history of horse training
and gave us context at thoseintersections, it really, oh my
(09:06):
gosh.
It gives so much context to myentire podcast.
Right.
And I'm also so grateful, youknow, I wanted to interview her
first when I first began thepodcast and she was so busy and
had to really kind of think andevolve'cause she's such a great
thinker and I'm just sospontaneous.
But I'm so grateful that itworked out.
(09:26):
Her interview came when it didafter Ginny, after Rupert, after
Luke, after Sarah, and afterCraig because, and after Kai.
Because all of thoseconversations are part of what
she was talking about, andthere's been such an interactive
thread pulling through all ofthese interviews that I am
(09:48):
absolutely amazed.
It definitely feels like a Godthing.
And then we land with Amanda.
Who echoes a lot of Carissa'sbelief and offers new insights
about moving forward that circleso nicely.
Back to Rupert and Jenny's earlyconversations also about.
(10:13):
Our need to slow down andlisten.
Our need to challenge ourbeliefs, our need to challenge
if our culture is appropriate inso many ways, and we're doing
that with the quiet revolutionin the horse world.
We're doing that by challengingabsolute dominance.
We're doing that by wanting tooffer horses more of a choice.
(10:35):
We're doing that by coming intotheir culture.
Developing deep foundationalrelationships with them and
listening to their wisdom.
One of my very favorite books ofall time is Ishmael by Daniel
Quinn.
I read it years ago, but it wasa life-changing book, and it's a
(10:57):
really weird kind of story abouta talking ape in a hotel room.
And the friend that recommendedit kept saying to me, stay with
it.
Once you get a third of the waythrough, you'll wanna finish it.
It'll go quick, but it's kind ofweird in the beginning.
And she was right, but this bookchanged my life and it helped
that.
I also read mutant messages fromdown under for the second time
(11:20):
as I was reading Ishmael.
And what these two books told meis that.
The activities and the structureof our primitive cultures are
going to be the saving grace ofhumanity.
Back before Mesopotamia, backbefore gardening, farming
(11:45):
civilization, as we know it,nomadic tribes didn't take from
the earth.
In Ishmael, he calls them takersand leavers.
And the lever, the leverculture.
Is the one that we're going toneed to look to, to not only
protect the earth, but toprotect our humanity and mutant
(12:08):
messages from down under is alsoa crazy story.
The first time it's, it's afictional book, but it's not.
The first time I read it, Ithought it was fiction.
The second time I read it withIshmael, I realized it was real
to the bone, that you absolutelycan smell water in the desert.
That you can rely on spiritualguides for survival, that when
(12:31):
you become more acquainted withand one with your environment,
the natural environment of theearth, you're in a different
place.
And.
I discovered that last springwhen I talk about being in right
relationship, that episode, andeating the wild greens, and then
(12:51):
being able to find plants moreeasily.
I know, I absolutely know thatMutant Messages is not a, a
fictional book and the awarenessthat comes.
From opening up our minds thatAmerica isn't great, that
(13:16):
colonialism and capitalism,while they're functioning
historical things that offered alot as an experiment are not the
way we're meant to live.
Now, horses are here to remindus of what we knew when we first
began living with them way, way,way back.
When.
(13:37):
That's where I am.
That's what I think the quietrevolution in the horse world
isn't just about horses.
It's about humanity surviving.
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