November 6, 2024 • 18 mins
In a previous episode, I talked about being in right relatoinship with people, the earth and plants and domestic animals. In this episode you will her my opinions and some stories about hunting. And how to call in your animal.
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(00:03):
This is the Horse HumanConnection.
A captivating podcast where weextend into the world of equine
assisted learning.
Horse Training.
and gentleness in working withthese magnificent creatures.
Captivating stories from theleading professionals and
ordinary people alike unravelnovel ideas in being with
(00:25):
horses.
The horse human connection is anidea, a place, and a voice.
The idea is to support the quietrevolution and recognize the
intelligence and true nature ofthe horse.
The place is a destination farmnear the Umpqua Forest and River
that slows down visitors andpatrons enough to experience the
(00:48):
shift.
The Voice is this podcast.
Welcome to today's episode.
MacBook Air Microphone & F (01:04):
Good morning.
This is issue able with thehorse human connection matrix.
Part of this matrix is the restof wildlife.
A couple of weeks ago, I did anepisode about being in right
relationship, not just withpeople, but with earth and with
plants.
And today I want to talk aboutsome of that right.
Relationship with animals andhunting.
(01:26):
I'm going to tell you a coupleof stories that were told to me
by an old friend.
I'm going to tell you some of myopinions.
I grew up in the city.
You mentioned that maybe at somepoint.
So when I moved to Oregon, Andhad more opportunities to be in
wildlife and spend outside andin the forest.
And notice things.
(01:47):
I took full advantage of that.
And one of the things that Inoticed was all the dead deer on
the side of the road, especiallyin the fall.
And when I, when I first movedhere, I had to reckon with a lot
of different things and shiftingbeliefs and, and seeing things
differently.
It's one thing to hear aboutstuff when you live in the city.
(02:09):
And it's another thing toexperience living in a rural
county.
And.
The ideas that people have andthe differences.
This friend told me in aconversation that.
She had her husband, who is ahunter had told her that there
were 3000 control hunt, dopepermits issued for our area of
(02:31):
town.
And it's not even a city, it'sjust an area of town.
And that blew my mind.
I was like, wow, no wonder.
There are so many deer on theside of the road.
And I started thinking about thefood and, and the competition
and the.
The cougars and the bears thathunt the deer.
And it was just, my mind wassuddenly in a completely
(02:54):
different place.
So I also started noticing thatspring when I rode my bike.
The bones on the side of theroad, where the deer had been,
and even the lines of powderwhere the bones had become
powder after being there for solong and how the.
Turkey vultures come in andclean up the mess and how, when
(03:15):
you drive by it, it does stinkas, as it's rotting before they
finish their job.
So, you know, we're all kind of.
Predisposed to the Bambi thing.
At least most of us in mygeneration were, and, you know,
oh, poor Bambi.
His mother died and you know,the evil hunters you know,
(03:36):
there, there's some validity tothat story that, you know,
there's also another story ofpeople that needed to hunt that
people who.
Grew up in a place where.
Hunting supplemented theirgroceries, like in a serious way
that they needed it.
I'm trying to say is there'sthis full gambit of people's
(03:57):
ideas and some of them verystrongly opinioned about
hunting.
And I just want to talk aboutthat because we all have our own
relationship with each other,with the earth.
And certainly our judgments, ourpractices and our beliefs are
part of that.
Now, this friend of mine, thisold friend of mine, we're not
(04:18):
going to mention names or we'dhave to change the names to
protect the innocent and almostinnocence in these cases.
But I'd read some about nativeAmericans and I'd read about
when they are successful at ahunt that they put grass in the
animal's mouth, if it's a grassseeder, which most of what
you're hunting is.
And say a prayer, you know, thatthis animal is giving its life
(04:40):
so that we can have life so thatwe can continue.
And the, the spiritual aspect ofthat is important.
It's important.
If you're going to take a life.
To eat.
That you acknowledge it.
And I think that's why peoplepray over their food.
Right.
We're acknowledging gratitudefor our place in.
(05:02):
The circle of life and.
When we buy meat at the grocerystore, we're so far removed from
the trauma, the killing theprocess, the emotions that might
be present that go into that.
I think everybody that's goingto eat meat should experience a
hunt and a kill.
At least if they're not killing,at least being near the process.
(05:24):
Because it brings reverence.
You know, it brings front centerin your face that yeah, this
animal is dying so that I canhave.
Animal protein.
And that's important.
And I know that there's somevegetarians.
I recently am.
Much more vegetarian than I'veever been.
(05:44):
I only eat meat about once aweek.
I'm I'm enjoying on Facebook.
These.
These clips of some people are,are hooking up.
Microphones with electrodes todifferent plants where you can
hear their songs.
And how they sing.
And I've always known that.
(06:06):
That plants and trees and allliving things communicate.
If you're a vegetarian becauseyour body doesn't need meat or
because it makes more sense foryour grocery bill or your
culinary skills.
Like that's great.
But if you're a vegetarian,because.
Of poor little Bambi.
I'm sorry, but you're prejudicebecause the plants have feelings
(06:28):
and voices too.
And my point is that whatever weeat, but we're all here.
The animals, the plants, thepeople, we all have to eat
something.
So let's just be reverent aboutour place.
And being humans, there'snothing that's really eating us.
So that puts us in a differentposition.
(06:51):
But I don't believe that deer.
On one hand mind because theyknow.
The ones that are hunted withreverence?
No.
That they're part of.
And I think going back to myinterview with Rupert Isaacson,
you know, he talks about huntersand gatherers.
And the spiritual aspect of thatand calling in a deer.
(07:17):
I believe anybody can call in adeer.
If, if you have the right heart.
And if you put.
Enough meditation into it.
And that's what occurred to me.
That was what other day watchingthese hunters was, is like, And
I'm sorry, but a lot of times itjust seems like people are doing
it wrong.
And I think that's part of mypersonality and part of the
(07:38):
autism.
We get to thinking that there'sone way.
And they call it black and whitethinking.
I'm not a black and whitethinker on every regard, but a
lot of things strike me, but oh,that doesn't seem right.
And a lot of hunting practicesdon't seem right.
Being in right relationship withthe animals you're hunting.
(07:59):
Seems more right.
Maybe I can put it that way.
It seems more right.
So dear will.
Circle back the way a horse willcircle back.
I don't know if I talked aboutthe Monte.
I don't think I've actuallytalked about the Monte Robert's
story, because I think everybodythat has a horse knows who Monty
Roberts was and what he did.
But I still like to tell thestory.
(08:21):
And I'll tell it later, but partof that Monte Robert's horse
training story and learning thelanguage of Equis.
Is that they circle back.
They're afraid they'll run aquarter mile and they circle
back and we can use that.
In their behavior.
And in manipulating and traininghorses.
(08:41):
The same thing is true of deer.
My friend whose husband was ahunter.
Told me about that, reading itin a magazine.
At hunting magazine that theywill circle back.
And in my mind, most huntersknow this, but maybe, maybe they
don't.
Maybe they don't know that a fewscare of deer they'll circle
back and see if there's stilltrouble.
(09:03):
That's how a lot of hunters.
Ambush it on the return round.
So this woman.
There was a friend of mine.
She told me these stories fromher husband, right.
And they were crazy.
And I said, no, we're nottalking about names because.
We're protecting the, almostinnocent here and here.
I'm talking about what's rightand wrong and people needing
(09:26):
food.
And there are different beliefsystems.
So I think at some points.
And this man didn't follow alltheir rules.
But in a way.
He, even the chances for thedeer and in a way I think he
approached it with great, greatreverence.
So there's one story where.
(09:49):
He and his buddy were huntingand they got a deer.
And there wasn't a whole lot ofblood.
It was rather curious.
It was a smaller deer.
They put it in the back of thepickup and the pickup had a
shell and the shell had a windowto the cab and the window to the
cab was open.
So they're driving home.
With this dead deer in the back.
And suddenly.
(10:10):
And it didn't have antlers andsuddenly there's a little face
in between them.
And the deer wasn't dead.
It had only been grazed in, inshock.
So it got up and stuck.
It's a little ahead.
And through the window, rightbetween them.
These guys.
So surprised.
(10:31):
And, you know, there's a lot ofways that story could have gone,
right.
They could have.
They could have stopped andopened up the back and let the
thing out.
They could have had aconversation with it.
I'm sure that didn't occur tothem.
Or they could have done whatthey did and they opened up the
back and they ended it for thecreature.
(10:54):
I really like it when peoplekill a deer.
And they're reverent and theyput grass in the animal's mouth
and they say a prayer and theyacknowledged their place.
There's another story that shetold me.
Where her husband had shot adeer thought that it was down.
And when he came upon it to cutthe throat, the thing got up and
(11:15):
this one had antlers and hegrabbed the antler.
With knife in one hand antler inthe other.
And they went around in circleslike serious circles.
Like this was a big strong man.
Until finally the hunterprevailed, but.
When I think about the story,it's comical, they're both
(11:36):
comical, but there's an elementof.
Of of play.
Not necessarily completely fairplay, but.
Of competition, maybe that's thebest word of a competition in a
way.
That makes it better.
I had the opportunity to talk tothis hunter man at one point.
(11:58):
He told me, I asked himquestions about what he did and
while he was laying there.
In the pre-dawn on the dampearth.
Waiting for the deer.
He was becoming part of theforest.
Like he really embraced hiscammo.
And.
Did the fade.
(12:20):
You know, and at that point whenyou make it a meditation and you
do this fade into.
The landscape into the earth.
Into your place as a hunter onthe earth.
The joining that happens.
I think is what brings the deer.
(12:41):
And he may have called to them.
I don't know.
Like I say, he had some nativeblood.
It's that attitude it's likewhen you're fishing and you're
like, okay, there's a fish,there's a fish under there
somewhere.
Come on, fish, bite my hook,bite the worm on my hook so I
can catch you.
Come on fish.
Where's the fish.
It's it's a competition in a waythat is entitled.
(13:02):
Like fish.
You need to jump on my hookversus.
I'm hungry.
And part of this earth it's timefor me to eat.
Could I have a sacrifice.
Could an animal, a fish or adeer.
Be my sacrifice so that I maythrive.
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There's a big difference.
It's not an entitlement.
It's.
It's an asking.
It's a.
It's a respectful request.
And I think that's what thedifference is.
And I think that's what peoplelose sight of.
They.
The trophy hunters.
The people training kids.
This is what I saw.
(13:46):
All right.
There's a place I hike.
And I saw and hunters can huntthere too.
And I saw this family and thiswas early in the fall and it was
hot.
You could tell they'd been outthere a while because they were
like bundled up, but it's like70 degrees.
And this little kid, his chubbylittle kid is like really red
cheeks and he's.
Got all this gear on.
(14:08):
And the backpack and the Kemocoat and he's running after the
men.
And none of them look veryhappy.
And.
You know, either they'd been outthere too long or they started
at the wrong time or whatever,but it's very rare here just
going to shoot him a deer in themiddle.
You know, Trump and down thetrail, the three of you in the
(14:30):
middle of a sunny afternoon,when it's 70 degrees out where
other people are hiking, likethat's probably not going to
happen.
You're way smarter than that.
But it's also the attitude thatstruck me, like.
I don't know.
I don't know for sure what theattitude was, but.
None of them looked happy.
(14:51):
None of them looked purposeful.
None of them looked reverent.
And when people are successfulby some means in a hunt like
that.
And there's this big trophything.
And they don't even use themeat.
I don't know the word for it.
Irreverent doesn't cover it.
(15:12):
But there are people at homelike that they hunt for the
trophy, not for the meat.
If you're hunting with yourheart and you're hunting for the
meat.
And you bless the meat.
Then I bless your hunting.
Well, I just think zooming outand looking at the big picture
though.
You know what safe way at thevery end of the meat section,
(15:35):
where they put all the stuffthat doesn't sell.
And if it doesn't sell that day,it goes out in the bin.
That's your reference.
A lot of animals died.
To have their flesh rotting in agarbage bin, not even feeding
the vultures, that's just sowrong.
So, so wrong.
(15:56):
I don't have an answer.
But I certainly have thatobservation and I have that
judgment and I have that opinionand I'll own it.
Another like little pet peeve ofmine is.
I was.
I was following a truck theother day.
And.
It hit a deer.
And I watched the deer writhingon the side of the road as I
(16:18):
drove by.
And I thought to stop and put itout of its misery, but I was
really angry that this persondidn't stop.
And so I chased him down,flashing my lights.
And I pulled him over and Isaid, are you going to go finish
that deer?
Or do I have to do it?
I had a sharp enough pocketknife that I could have.
(16:38):
But you don't leave an animal tosuffer.
You wouldn't leave a dog tosuffer.
At least, I hope you wouldn't.
And you shouldn't leave a deerto suffer on the side of the
road.
Yeah, I guess.
I guess I made the assumptionthat where I live most men of a
certain age.
And the drive.
(17:00):
Maybe a type of truck.
Or at least going to have.
What it takes to go.
And end an animal's life thatthey.
Basically killed.
Now all these things are aboutbeing in right relationship to
me.
As well.
If you get real quiet.
(17:21):
Before you go hunting the nightbefore you go hunting.
And you imagine.
That somewhere in between adream sequence.
From a native American moviewhere the Eagle calls and flies
over and your Google earth.
Somewhere in between those.
You can imagine.
Flying over.
(17:45):
Your hunting area, your unit.
And look for the deer with yourimagination.
If with your heart, you can feelthat you're part of the earth.
And that for whatever yourreasons.
And Congar needing to connect byeating deer meat.
(18:09):
Or having that experience.
If you can humbly.
Connect and ask.
And use your site.
And drop into that quiet spot.
You'll find your tear.
And you'll know where they arethe next day.
In my mind hunting.
Isn't so much a sport.
(18:31):
As it is.
Meditation.
Way to be part of the earth.
Okay.
This is the Horse HumanConnection.
A captivating podcast where weextend into the world of equine
assisted learning.
Horse Training.
and gentleness in working withthese magnificent creatures.
Captivating stories from theleading professionals and
ordinary people alike unravelnovel ideas in being with
(00:25):
horses.
The horse human connection is anidea, a place, and a voice.
The idea is to support the quietrevolution and recognize the
intelligence and true nature ofthe horse.
The place is a destination farmnear the Umpqua Forest and River
that slows down visitors andpatrons enough to experience the
(00:48):
shift.
The Voice is this podcast.
Welcome to today's episode.
MacBook Air Microphone & F (01:04):
Good morning.
This is issue able with thehorse human connection matrix.
Part of this matrix is the restof wildlife.
A couple of weeks ago, I did anepisode about being in right
relationship, not just withpeople, but with earth and with
plants.
And today I want to talk aboutsome of that right.
Relationship with animals andhunting.
(01:26):
I'm going to tell you a coupleof stories that were told to me
by an old friend.
I'm going to tell you some of myopinions.
I grew up in the city.
You mentioned that maybe at somepoint.
So when I moved to Oregon, Andhad more opportunities to be in
wildlife and spend outside andin the forest.
And notice things.
(01:47):
I took full advantage of that.
And one of the things that Inoticed was all the dead deer on
the side of the road, especiallyin the fall.
And when I, when I first movedhere, I had to reckon with a lot
of different things and shiftingbeliefs and, and seeing things
differently.
It's one thing to hear aboutstuff when you live in the city.
(02:09):
And it's another thing toexperience living in a rural
county.
And.
The ideas that people have andthe differences.
This friend told me in aconversation that.
She had her husband, who is ahunter had told her that there
were 3000 control hunt, dopepermits issued for our area of
(02:31):
town.
And it's not even a city, it'sjust an area of town.
And that blew my mind.
I was like, wow, no wonder.
There are so many deer on theside of the road.
And I started thinking about thefood and, and the competition
and the.
The cougars and the bears thathunt the deer.
And it was just, my mind wassuddenly in a completely
(02:54):
different place.
So I also started noticing thatspring when I rode my bike.
The bones on the side of theroad, where the deer had been,
and even the lines of powderwhere the bones had become
powder after being there for solong and how the.
Turkey vultures come in andclean up the mess and how, when
(03:15):
you drive by it, it does stinkas, as it's rotting before they
finish their job.
So, you know, we're all kind of.
Predisposed to the Bambi thing.
At least most of us in mygeneration were, and, you know,
oh, poor Bambi.
His mother died and you know,the evil hunters you know,
(03:36):
there, there's some validity tothat story that, you know,
there's also another story ofpeople that needed to hunt that
people who.
Grew up in a place where.
Hunting supplemented theirgroceries, like in a serious way
that they needed it.
I'm trying to say is there'sthis full gambit of people's
(03:57):
ideas and some of them verystrongly opinioned about
hunting.
And I just want to talk aboutthat because we all have our own
relationship with each other,with the earth.
And certainly our judgments, ourpractices and our beliefs are
part of that.
Now, this friend of mine, thisold friend of mine, we're not
(04:18):
going to mention names or we'dhave to change the names to
protect the innocent and almostinnocence in these cases.
But I'd read some about nativeAmericans and I'd read about
when they are successful at ahunt that they put grass in the
animal's mouth, if it's a grassseeder, which most of what
you're hunting is.
And say a prayer, you know, thatthis animal is giving its life
(04:40):
so that we can have life so thatwe can continue.
And the, the spiritual aspect ofthat is important.
It's important.
If you're going to take a life.
To eat.
That you acknowledge it.
And I think that's why peoplepray over their food.
Right.
We're acknowledging gratitudefor our place in.
(05:02):
The circle of life and.
When we buy meat at the grocerystore, we're so far removed from
the trauma, the killing theprocess, the emotions that might
be present that go into that.
I think everybody that's goingto eat meat should experience a
hunt and a kill.
At least if they're not killing,at least being near the process.
(05:24):
Because it brings reverence.
You know, it brings front centerin your face that yeah, this
animal is dying so that I canhave.
Animal protein.
And that's important.
And I know that there's somevegetarians.
I recently am.
Much more vegetarian than I'veever been.
(05:44):
I only eat meat about once aweek.
I'm I'm enjoying on Facebook.
These.
These clips of some people are,are hooking up.
Microphones with electrodes todifferent plants where you can
hear their songs.
And how they sing.
And I've always known that.
(06:06):
That plants and trees and allliving things communicate.
If you're a vegetarian becauseyour body doesn't need meat or
because it makes more sense foryour grocery bill or your
culinary skills.
Like that's great.
But if you're a vegetarian,because.
Of poor little Bambi.
I'm sorry, but you're prejudicebecause the plants have feelings
(06:28):
and voices too.
And my point is that whatever weeat, but we're all here.
The animals, the plants, thepeople, we all have to eat
something.
So let's just be reverent aboutour place.
And being humans, there'snothing that's really eating us.
So that puts us in a differentposition.
(06:51):
But I don't believe that deer.
On one hand mind because theyknow.
The ones that are hunted withreverence?
No.
That they're part of.
And I think going back to myinterview with Rupert Isaacson,
you know, he talks about huntersand gatherers.
And the spiritual aspect of thatand calling in a deer.
(07:17):
I believe anybody can call in adeer.
If, if you have the right heart.
And if you put.
Enough meditation into it.
And that's what occurred to me.
That was what other day watchingthese hunters was, is like, And
I'm sorry, but a lot of times itjust seems like people are doing
it wrong.
And I think that's part of mypersonality and part of the
(07:38):
autism.
We get to thinking that there'sone way.
And they call it black and whitethinking.
I'm not a black and whitethinker on every regard, but a
lot of things strike me, but oh,that doesn't seem right.
And a lot of hunting practicesdon't seem right.
Being in right relationship withthe animals you're hunting.
(07:59):
Seems more right.
Maybe I can put it that way.
It seems more right.
So dear will.
Circle back the way a horse willcircle back.
I don't know if I talked aboutthe Monte.
I don't think I've actuallytalked about the Monte Robert's
story, because I think everybodythat has a horse knows who Monty
Roberts was and what he did.
But I still like to tell thestory.
(08:21):
And I'll tell it later, but partof that Monte Robert's horse
training story and learning thelanguage of Equis.
Is that they circle back.
They're afraid they'll run aquarter mile and they circle
back and we can use that.
In their behavior.
And in manipulating and traininghorses.
(08:41):
The same thing is true of deer.
My friend whose husband was ahunter.
Told me about that, reading itin a magazine.
At hunting magazine that theywill circle back.
And in my mind, most huntersknow this, but maybe, maybe they
don't.
Maybe they don't know that a fewscare of deer they'll circle
back and see if there's stilltrouble.
(09:03):
That's how a lot of hunters.
Ambush it on the return round.
So this woman.
There was a friend of mine.
She told me these stories fromher husband, right.
And they were crazy.
And I said, no, we're nottalking about names because.
We're protecting the, almostinnocent here and here.
I'm talking about what's rightand wrong and people needing
(09:26):
food.
And there are different beliefsystems.
So I think at some points.
And this man didn't follow alltheir rules.
But in a way.
He, even the chances for thedeer and in a way I think he
approached it with great, greatreverence.
So there's one story where.
(09:49):
He and his buddy were huntingand they got a deer.
And there wasn't a whole lot ofblood.
It was rather curious.
It was a smaller deer.
They put it in the back of thepickup and the pickup had a
shell and the shell had a windowto the cab and the window to the
cab was open.
So they're driving home.
With this dead deer in the back.
And suddenly.
(10:10):
And it didn't have antlers andsuddenly there's a little face
in between them.
And the deer wasn't dead.
It had only been grazed in, inshock.
So it got up and stuck.
It's a little ahead.
And through the window, rightbetween them.
These guys.
So surprised.
(10:31):
And, you know, there's a lot ofways that story could have gone,
right.
They could have.
They could have stopped andopened up the back and let the
thing out.
They could have had aconversation with it.
I'm sure that didn't occur tothem.
Or they could have done whatthey did and they opened up the
back and they ended it for thecreature.
(10:54):
I really like it when peoplekill a deer.
And they're reverent and theyput grass in the animal's mouth
and they say a prayer and theyacknowledged their place.
There's another story that shetold me.
Where her husband had shot adeer thought that it was down.
And when he came upon it to cutthe throat, the thing got up and
(11:15):
this one had antlers and hegrabbed the antler.
With knife in one hand antler inthe other.
And they went around in circleslike serious circles.
Like this was a big strong man.
Until finally the hunterprevailed, but.
When I think about the story,it's comical, they're both
(11:36):
comical, but there's an elementof.
Of of play.
Not necessarily completely fairplay, but.
Of competition, maybe that's thebest word of a competition in a
way.
That makes it better.
I had the opportunity to talk tothis hunter man at one point.
(11:58):
He told me, I asked himquestions about what he did and
while he was laying there.
In the pre-dawn on the dampearth.
Waiting for the deer.
He was becoming part of theforest.
Like he really embraced hiscammo.
And.
Did the fade.
(12:20):
You know, and at that point whenyou make it a meditation and you
do this fade into.
The landscape into the earth.
Into your place as a hunter onthe earth.
The joining that happens.
I think is what brings the deer.
(12:41):
And he may have called to them.
I don't know.
Like I say, he had some nativeblood.
It's that attitude it's likewhen you're fishing and you're
like, okay, there's a fish,there's a fish under there
somewhere.
Come on, fish, bite my hook,bite the worm on my hook so I
can catch you.
Come on fish.
Where's the fish.
It's it's a competition in a waythat is entitled.
(13:02):
Like fish.
You need to jump on my hookversus.
I'm hungry.
And part of this earth it's timefor me to eat.
Could I have a sacrifice.
Could an animal, a fish or adeer.
Be my sacrifice so that I maythrive.
(13:25):
There's a big difference.
It's not an entitlement.
It's.
It's an asking.
It's a.
It's a respectful request.
And I think that's what thedifference is.
And I think that's what peoplelose sight of.
They.
The trophy hunters.
The people training kids.
This is what I saw.
(13:46):
All right.
There's a place I hike.
And I saw and hunters can huntthere too.
And I saw this family and thiswas early in the fall and it was
hot.
You could tell they'd been outthere a while because they were
like bundled up, but it's like70 degrees.
And this little kid, his chubbylittle kid is like really red
cheeks and he's.
Got all this gear on.
(14:08):
And the backpack and the Kemocoat and he's running after the
men.
And none of them look veryhappy.
And.
You know, either they'd been outthere too long or they started
at the wrong time or whatever,but it's very rare here just
going to shoot him a deer in themiddle.
You know, Trump and down thetrail, the three of you in the
(14:30):
middle of a sunny afternoon,when it's 70 degrees out where
other people are hiking, likethat's probably not going to
happen.
You're way smarter than that.
But it's also the attitude thatstruck me, like.
I don't know.
I don't know for sure what theattitude was, but.
None of them looked happy.
(14:51):
None of them looked purposeful.
None of them looked reverent.
And when people are successfulby some means in a hunt like
that.
And there's this big trophything.
And they don't even use themeat.
I don't know the word for it.
Irreverent doesn't cover it.
(15:12):
But there are people at homelike that they hunt for the
trophy, not for the meat.
If you're hunting with yourheart and you're hunting for the
meat.
And you bless the meat.
Then I bless your hunting.
Well, I just think zooming outand looking at the big picture
though.
You know what safe way at thevery end of the meat section,
(15:35):
where they put all the stuffthat doesn't sell.
And if it doesn't sell that day,it goes out in the bin.
That's your reference.
A lot of animals died.
To have their flesh rotting in agarbage bin, not even feeding
the vultures, that's just sowrong.
So, so wrong.
(15:56):
I don't have an answer.
But I certainly have thatobservation and I have that
judgment and I have that opinionand I'll own it.
Another like little pet peeve ofmine is.
I was.
I was following a truck theother day.
And.
It hit a deer.
And I watched the deer writhingon the side of the road as I
(16:18):
drove by.
And I thought to stop and put itout of its misery, but I was
really angry that this persondidn't stop.
And so I chased him down,flashing my lights.
And I pulled him over and Isaid, are you going to go finish
that deer?
Or do I have to do it?
I had a sharp enough pocketknife that I could have.
(16:38):
But you don't leave an animal tosuffer.
You wouldn't leave a dog tosuffer.
At least, I hope you wouldn't.
And you shouldn't leave a deerto suffer on the side of the
road.
Yeah, I guess.
I guess I made the assumptionthat where I live most men of a
certain age.
And the drive.
(17:00):
Maybe a type of truck.
Or at least going to have.
What it takes to go.
And end an animal's life thatthey.
Basically killed.
Now all these things are aboutbeing in right relationship to
me.
As well.
If you get real quiet.
(17:21):
Before you go hunting the nightbefore you go hunting.
And you imagine.
That somewhere in between adream sequence.
From a native American moviewhere the Eagle calls and flies
over and your Google earth.
Somewhere in between those.
You can imagine.
Flying over.
(17:45):
Your hunting area, your unit.
And look for the deer with yourimagination.
If with your heart, you can feelthat you're part of the earth.
And that for whatever yourreasons.
And Congar needing to connect byeating deer meat.
(18:09):
Or having that experience.
If you can humbly.
Connect and ask.
And use your site.
And drop into that quiet spot.
You'll find your tear.
And you'll know where they arethe next day.
In my mind hunting.
Isn't so much a sport.
(18:31):
As it is.
Meditation.
Way to be part of the earth.
Okay.
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