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Sarah has a beautiful grulla stud Choctaw Pony and can be reached at Sarahusaf1999@yahoo.com
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Hi, this is Ishi Abel with theHorse Human Connection Matrix.
Today, I have Sarah Lintha comewith me.
She is a barrel racer, a mother,and a farmer.
And we're just going to chat alittle bit about horses.
Welcome, Sarah.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, absolutely.
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So with most people that havehorses and have had horses for a
long time, you know, there's oneor two or sometimes more horses
that really stand out in yourhistory that changed things for
you or that their story was justlike so compelling.
Do you have a horse like that inyour history?
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I really think those are kind ofhonestly the babies that I have
now or Miko in particular..
He's a native horse.
He's probably the one I'm mostpassionate about.
And the reason is because ofwhat he is.
He is a Choctaw horse.
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He is also known as a SpanishMustang, but in particular, the.
The breed of Spanish Mustang heis, is Choctaw horse.
And I am a native American.
I'm Choctaw.
And I found out that.
A few years ago that my, mytribe not only were horsemen,
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because I already knew that, butthey actually bred specific
traits of Spanish mustangs tobreed their own horses.
And I found out they were stillin existence.
By very slim, almost, almostextinct and that there was
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luckily a few breeders stillthat had them.
And I found one down in Oklahomaand I immediately made contact
with them and It was like, doyou have some?
I want, I want one.
I have to have one.
Initially, I actually, Nico, theone I have here, is not the one
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I had picked out.
I had looked at the ones he hadonline.
I had picked out a, I lovecolor, as everybody does.
I picked out a brown and white,pinto color, a Spanish Mustang
that was gated.
Because I thought, I Gated isawfully nice on the back getting
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older.
I thought oh, yeah, that's whatI want I I picked him out from
the pictures.
I went down on a trip to go lookat him and And I I looked at
him.
He's beautiful Just like I knewhe would be from all the
pictures but I happen to decideto go and look at the other
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Colts and Bryant said, well, doyou want to go look at the other
colts?
Sure, sure, I'm going to go lookat the other colts.
Why would I ever turn downlooking at a horse, right?
And so I happened to step intothe pen with all the other ones,
and there were several gorillas,actually, in the pen.
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But I went over towards them,and he just stood still, and I
started scratching him, and justpetting him, and he just stayed
there, and I started movingaround him, petting him
everywhere, and I rememberBryant telling me, he said,
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Whoa, you know, he hasn't reallybeen handled, you know, all of
our horses, they don't gethandled that much.
Be careful, because I was movingdown to his legs and around his
body, and I know Bryant didn'twant me to get hurt or anything,
but I moved all around him, Ipicked up his feet, I did
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everything with him, and Iremember looking at my husband's
eyes over the top of Mikko'sback, because, you know, he was
just, at this point in time, hewasn't even a yearling, yet he
was just, Mikko's Six or sevenmonths old and I remember
meeting my husband's eyes overthe top of Miko's back and my
husband going That's the one youshould be taking home And I
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remember just nodding my headand thinking in my head while
he's probably right.
This is This is the one.
And I asked Bryant, I said, Ishould probably not ask this
because I'm probably going tochange my mind, but I said, how
much do you want for this one?
And Bryant told me, he said,well, I, I actually, I only want
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a thousand for that one and theywanted fifteen hundred for the
other one.
And I said, although the moneywasn't the issue, I had it for
either one, but I, I, he's less.
And he's more.
Right.
And he picked you.
Yes.
You know so I said, Brian, I,I'm going to, I'm going to have
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to take home a gorilla.
So I ended up coming home.
All right.
We actually didn't bring himhome at the time because in
Southern Oklahoma, it's kind oflike you are right now, nice and
green and February and inNorthern Missouri, it's kind of
like it is right now.
It's.
Snow and ice covered and Ididn't want to shock his system
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and bring him home at that pointin time.
So I left him down there untilspring came.
I didn't move him back up hereuntil May because he was already
shutting out.
At that point in time, and Iwant to bring him back into the
ice in that situation, evengetting him.
It would have been hard on hissystem as young as he was to
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bring him to this coldenvironment.
So I left him down there untilMay and.
We had turned to nice spring atthat point in time, brought him
home.
And so how, how, that was lastyear.
Mika will be three.
So that's two years ago now, twoyears ago.
Okay.
And so what's, how has heimpacted you?
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What are you doing with him?
Is they doing much training orjust kind of hanging out?
And so Mika has been inconsistent training.
Ever since he's come home, we weconstantly I work with my horses
every day because they're in mybackyard.
Literally, if I took the phoneover to the window, you could
see my horses from my officewindow.
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This is my office that I work inevery day.
And I love the fact that I canjust stick my head out the
window and see my boys.
They're all in my backyard rightthere.
So every Every time I walk out,my boys are right there.
And how many, how many do youcurrently have?
Right now, I have seven, seven,six geldings and one stud, Miko
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being my stud horse in mybackyard.
And then I have one one fillywho's over at my friend's house
and she's working with her.
And I did that because myfriend.
She really likes working withhorses and she needed something
to to occupy her time and giveher something to work on as
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well.
So she's over at my friend'shelping her because I believe
that we help them and they helpus.
Absolutely.
What, what are your plans forthis horse?
So Miko, it is evolved.
I did not know that I was goingto leave him to be a stud.
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But I, I've kind of gone off ofMiko's personality.
I, he, I never really had astud.
But he's been, I've been able toleave him.
He's got the personality that Ifeel like he can handle it and I
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can handle him being a stud andsince the numbers are so low and
he is so gorgeous, he is a kindof a golden a golden grula.
He's got the overlay, so he'sgot the dark main with a blonde
overlay, his.
His dad was a black, full black,and his mom was a Palomino, and
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he's just gorgeous.
He's absolutely beautiful andhe's come together very nicely.
He's a small horse, but all ofthem Spanish Mustangs, period,
are small and, and the Choctaw,and they were bred to be that
way.
It's easier to jump on and, andthey're very hardy.
Horses, but numbers are low.
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I'd really like to continue topopulate those numbers and
continue to give the world somemore Choctaw horses.
And with his temperament beingwhat it is.
I'm happy to continue lettinghim be a stud horse and so, and
he also shows a lot of aptitudefor athleticism.
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He loves to chase the otherhorses, move them around.
He'll even bite the calf on thebutt and move him around.
So I will probably, as Icontinue to train him, I'll
train him to do some cattlework.
And do you think he's gated?
He's not.
He's not gated.
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No, but he is smooth.
So when you have, when you havelike a a Spanish Mustang or a
horse with Spanish Mustang bloodand they are gated, is that
like, what do they call it?
The, somebody.
I once heard like the Indianshuffle.
Is that a thing?
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And Indian shuffle is in betweena non gated and a, and a
completely gated.
Okay.
And he, he may get.
There where he does a little bitmore of a of an Indian shuffle
right now He's he's not reallygated at all, but he's a
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smoother.
I think he'll be a smootherride.
I'm not riding him yet I believein waiting a little longer.
He's only three.
He's only three and he's noteven quite three yet He'll be
three in June So, as of thissummer, this spring, this summer
is when I'll actually startgetting on his back.
He's been doing all thegroundwork to get to that point
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so far, but I haven't gotten onhis back at this point in time.
Cause one, he's still got babybrain.
And bones growing.
And he's, and he's stillgrowing.
He's only about 13, three, maybebarely 14 hands.
I don't have a stick, so I can'ttell you exactly, but eyeballing
him, I'm going to guess he'sright there at the 14 hand range
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at this point in time.
So he's, he's still got growingand, and what have you to do?
And he's still a little babybrain.
So he's, he's still growing uphere and.
In his physique as well, so.
So, how have your attitudes andphilosophies about horses
evolved over the years of youbeing, having them in your life?
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I mean, are you where youstarted out or do you have some
different opinions?
I would say I give them a lotmore credit the older I get and
the, the more horses I know.
I, I give them more credit forbeing separate individuals, just
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like humans are separateindividuals.
I, I think that the, the youngerthat I was, horses are just kind
of.
I thought that, that all horseswere kind of the same and the
more that you get to know eachindividual horse, you know, each
individual horse has anindividual personality and I
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think that the, the more that Iwork with them, like I can tell
you the five that I've had hereout here for the last few years,
I can tell you all theindividual quirks and the, the
individual things that they're,Their strengths are and that
their weaknesses are just likehumans.
So I think I learned how youtrain them, how you interact
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with them, how you relate tothem.
And I'm also curious, becauseyou've, you've mentioned Choctaw
and Native American you and thehorse.
Is there.
Are there Native Americantraining methods, which from
what I've read about are oftenvery relationship based that you
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that you bring in and, and whatdoes that look like?
Maybe you can speak to that alittle bit.
Yeah.
And I was also raised by aChoctaw cowboy.
My dad was a growing up, hebroke and he, he would buy,
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sell, trade, break.
And go on to the next horse.
So we constantly had horsescoming in and going out and I
was raised with him and I wasthe way that I was raised all
creatures.
Great and small.
It didn't matter if we weretalking about ants or we were
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talking about horses, you know,from the little bitty things.
They all had a life and they allhad a spirit and they all
deserved to be treated well.
I remember my dad getting on tome.
I had an ant farm.
That if you didn't take care ofthe ant farm, you need to let
the ants go.
You know, all the way down tothat.
So I have brought that with me.
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In everything I have ever doneto take care of animals like I,
I'm hyper vigilant with how Itake care of my animals and it,
it just, it wrecks me to seeanybody who doesn't take care of
them with such great respectand, you know, I'll, I'll take
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care of them before I take careof me, you know, during the
winter, it, it sucks to go outthere and fight the snow and ice
and what have you, but I, youwill find me every day out there
feeding and watering and makingsure that everybody is taking
care of multiple times in theday because there's nobody else
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but me to take care of them.
But you put them where they takecare of themselves.
So that's your responsibility.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of peopledon't get that.
That's the way I was trained tonot that my parents had had
horses when I was young, but theteachers that I've had is like,
you, you put that horse in astall or the pasture, you go
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feed them before you feedyourself.
You take care of the animalsfirst, because.
They can't take care ofthemselves the way you're
keeping them.
And there were some old schoolways that my dad had, you know,
wet saddle blankets, and I stillbelieve in some old school ways
of teaching and training thehorses, but never to be cruel.
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I never, ever once saw my dadever be cruel, even though he
was an older cowboy.
And I don't, I've never believedin being cruel, being firm, you
know, and letting the horsesometimes you have to let the
horse knows who the boss is.
Absolutely.
But there's no need to be crueland there's no need to be harsh.
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And I think that that's an old,outdated way that some people
still believe in, in treatingthem, but I think there's so
much more to learn about workingwith the animal, and the natives
believe that, that they havespirits and they have ways that
you can work with them.
And instead of working againstthem and dominating, I guess you
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will.
Right.
So it sounds like what you'redescribing is what I call
benevolent leadership.
And sure there's, there'sdefinitely times when there
needs to be a definite leader,but it's nice for them to have
some choices.
And if you get to know themreally working with their
personalities, sounds like a bigpart of that too, their
personality and their spirit.
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I think trust is the mostimportant thing.
With a horse.
How do you how do you buildtrust?
The horse looks at you to be theleader and it it looks at you
to.
Keep them safe at all times.
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So my job to build the trust isto make sure that they know that
they are safe with me, to makesure that they believe that they
can follow me through the flamesof hell, if you will.
And I am right there besidethem, you know, I I'm the one
feeding them.
I'm the one standing besidethem.
I'll keep the bears away, youknow?
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So I think that's the mostimportant part of trust is.
Taking care of them at all timesand making sure that you're
right there with them and ineverything that they do, they
can rely upon you.
Yeah, that's clearly putting youin not just trust, but
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leadership.
Yeah.
What would you like to seechange in the horse world?
I mean, do you have some petpeeves?
If you said you've been a barrelracer, are there industry things
that you see that you just go,Oh my gosh, that's just wrong.
I wish I could change that.
I love to see the quiet writers.
I know that.
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That's not everybody's cup oftea, and some, some riders
prefer to be the kind that arereally, are really getting after
it, but I prefer to see thequieter riders, the ones that
the horse knows what they'resupposed to be doing.
If, if the horse isn't enjoyingit, then I don't think that's
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probably the right thing forthem to be doing.
If that makes sense, there'sanother avenue that they would
enjoy a little bit more and andI'm not saying that the horse
always gets to decide what theythey want to do, but they kind
of do really consider them morethan a lot of them get
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considered.
Yes, yes, I would like to seethat happen a little bit more.
I'd like to see people listen tothe horses more, just because
they have the athletic abilityto do something doesn't mean
that that's necessarily whatthey were born to do.
Yeah, some horses love tocompete and some don't.
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Some love the attention and somedon't, you know, as just like,
like an observer of barrelracing and it's not like I've
I've done a whole lot, butoccasionally I'll go down to our
local fairgrounds and I'll watchor I've been somewhere where
there's been some barrel racingor at the local rodeos.
And I've always wondered aboutthis.
So a lot of my writing is trailriding, Western pleasure, a
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little bit of dressage havebeen, you know, some of what
I've been taught and, and Idon't have a whole lot of
training, but I know, you know,when you're working a horse.
In English, you you're lookingat in Western you're looking for
a band or they call it on thestraight that you know when
you're weaving that the horse isbending and yet when I watch
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barrel racers, sometimes itseems like their horses don't
bend and I guess there's someaerodynamic is maybe not the
right word but bio Biomechanicalthings about that.
But is that something thatyou've noticed or that you could
explain to me a little bit howhow some really fast barrel
horses never bend when they goaround the barrel?
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They, they don't bend as much asthey kind of lay, almost lay
over, I guess you'd say.
They're kind of almost moresideways as they go around.
Leaning.
There you go.
Yeah, like a motorcycle.
Mm hmm.
And I don't know why that works,I can't tell you.
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I don't have a lot of formaltraining myself and honestly, it
seems to me like the shorterhorses.
Work better to for, I don't,they're lower to the ground.
I don't know if it, you wouldthink like the longer legs, they
eat more of the arena faster,but I would think the low center
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of gravity would help.
And also shorter horses oftenhave shorter backs, which means
that they, they can maneuvermore easily.
Yeah.
Interesting.
And I like shorter horsesanyway, so it works out well for
me.
I'm short.
I have two pretty short horsesright now, and I'm kind of tall,
so sometimes I'm like, I don'tknow how that's going to work,
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but I, I like them shorter too.
The other thing I was going toask you about what you were
talking about, quiet riders,it's always kind of baffled me
how on the home run, they'redoing all that, that leg
flapping and kicking.
And I'm thinking, That's got tobe slowing you down.
Like you're telling the horse togo faster, but isn't there like
a subtle aid, like just leaningforward and training the horse
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that would have a better benefitwithout all that flapping?
So there are studies done thatsay that the more that you whip,
the more that you spur, youactually are slowing them down
because their mind is on thatversus just running.
And I think that's where itcomes into The horse enjoying it
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and if the horse really enjoysthe run like my buck This is the
reason I got into barrel racingbuck loves to run That's
honestly the reason why I barrelrace him is because he just
really enjoys the run Well, ifhe enjoys it, I'm gonna do it,
you know, it's something that Ican I can do with him So when I
just turn him loose He justgoes.
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And that's the kind of horse Iwant to barrel race.
I don't want to barrel race thehorse that I'm going to have to
beat on to get him to the otherend.
I want the horse that I turnloose and he just opens wide up.
And that's the kind of horse heis.
That's, you know, that's why Ibarrel race him.
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I feel like he enjoys, he enjoysit.
He, we're still working on thepattern, but when I let him go
at the end of that, foosh, he'sgone.
That's what I like.
That's what I like to see too.
I did have the pleasure oftaking a couple of lessons on a
barrel horse here.
And she was so well trained theowner and the teacher of the
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lesson told me, you know, Oh,you don't need to do this or
that.
Just pull your chin forward ahalf an inch, pull your chin
backward a half an inch.
And that's all it took for thathorse to drop into a different
gate.
I love it when the aids can beso subtle and so invisible
throughout all writingdisciplines.
It just seems like the hierarchyto me.
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And I plan on doing a lot moreclinics and going and learning
from people because I, I thinkit's constantly a learning.
I want to continue learning andthere are people out there that
you learn good things from andthat you learn bad things from
and I think every place you go,you'll learn something from,
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whether it's something that youdon't want to do, or something
that you do want to do again.
So I think either way, you'regoing to learn something.
Yeah, I think it's, I think it'sgood.
Sometimes it's just sad whenpeople come away with the wrong
information or information thatdoesn't work for their horse and
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the animal ends up, sufferingfor it.
I do believe that not everyhorse is for every rider.
Right.
And I think that's okay.
It's not going to work I've hada horse that I, he was gorgeous.
I absolutely wanted it to work,but we did not.
We did not click.
And I, it was one of thosewhere.
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Did I want to end up hurt orscrewing him up, or did I want
to let him go to somebody thathe would click more with?
So I chose to let him go tosomebody he would click more
with.
I think, and I think that'sokay.
It's absolutely okay.
I think that's a big part ofjust having an intuition about
it.
And I think horses, maybe theyknow and maybe somehow.
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In another realm, they maneuverto get themselves to the right
place.
I don't know.
Well, I think they're smartenough to know sometimes when
they have their bluff in too.
And, and I'm gonna be the firstto admit, you know, there's,
there's sometimes when they doget their bluff in.
As well, and get their bluff in,they know that they've got you
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where they want you like they,they know that they've got you a
little scared, or they've gotyou a little mystified on on
where to go next.
And they're like.
I've got this girl, I'm gonnakeep her, where she doesn't know
what I'm gonna do next, andshe's, she's a little off of her
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game, and she's a little scared,and They get that.
They understand that.
I like to look at that in termsof they're teaching you
something.
Yes.
On purpose.
Exactly.
Have you, are there, are theresome horses that have taught you
great lessons?
And does anything like come tomind with that?
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Well, like that one I'm tellingyou about, I mean, he taught me
a lesson that there are somehorses that I can't handle.
Yeah.
And that's okay.
You know, there are some horsesthat are beyond my scope.
And also as we get older, therecomes a time when you have to
choose what you should behandling and what you shouldn't,
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especially as mom or dad, or,you know, as your age and bones
tell you that, you know, if Iwas 20, Maybe I'd have kept on,
you know, trying, but as a 40some year old, that was the
point where I got my bell rungon the second go round.
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And I was like, yeah this isprobably where we part ways, you
know, but he was an amazinghorse for somebody else.
Right, right.
And perhaps in a differentdiscipline too.
Right.
So what are you doing withhorses now?
What is, what is like, do youhave goals with them?
Are you, is farming like themain thing?
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Farming and parenthood or where,what's your life like right now?
So my husband is the mainfarmer, if you will.
I just, I kind of help out.
He, Raises corn and soybeans.
Sometimes we raise wheat oralfalfa, depending on the year.
I run a tractor here and there,do a lot of picking up of
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equipment or running meals outor whatever.
Taxiing around and stuff likethat.
But I, I came from a foreignbackground.
We raised cattle and whenever Iwas a kid.
So this is the same kind ofthing I grew up in.
But I also work right now anywayfor the federal government.
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I'm retired military as I toldyou.
But I work from home still atthe moment.
We'll see how much that, thatchanges for me in the next few
months but my goal with myhorses is in time where I can
give a few more lessons.
I'd like to, I have a specialneeds daughter myself, she has
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two horses of her own.
I'd like to even be able to havesome special needs therapy type.
I have a, a master's degree inspecial ed.
I believe that hypnotherapy.
Horse therapy.
I believe in it wholeheartedly.
I'd love to be able to havepeople who have special needs or
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even PTSD from military outworking with these.
I brought home two BLM Mustangs.
That are out there right now.
It's been too cold to work withMooney and Coup, but very much.
But they're out there right nowand I think it would be
wonderful to have people outworking with BMS and, and
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working with them.
I would love.
I would absolutely love to havean arena and have some of those
things going on, but if I cankeep my jobs and be able to put
the money into that and growing,I think I could really make
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something out of it.
And I, I know I'll be able toretire from the, I've already
retired from the military andthat would be my retirement.
My ultimate retirement dream.
That's amazing.
Are you familiar with ShariceRudolph's work?
I'm not.
She's retired now, but shelanded.
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She was fascinating and I was sograteful that I got to take some
workshops from her while she wasstill doing the horse stuff.
She started with Outward Bound.
And teenagers and ropes coursesand then moved into horses and
military and landed veryspecifically with women with
PTSD from the military andhorse.
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I don't know if she was atherapist.
I don't know if I can call ithorse therapy, but equine
assisted learning.
And she wrote this amazing bookIt's 28 equine assisted
exercise.
To do with people and horses andI've worked with the book a
little bit after doing hertrainings and the things that
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come out with people are alwaysjust amazing and not expected
because it's just about theinteraction and about the follow
up questions and processing andthe horses never fail to show up
exactly the way they need to.
Facilitator training is whatit's called Equine Facilitator
Training 28 ExperientialLearning Exercises by Sharif
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Rudolph, who now is an artist.
I don't think she does horsesanymore.
I've worked to have the kind ofhorses that I need.
And every year I'm getting, I'mgetting something better
together, but I keep growing.
I am growing.
I have, I have a couple of greatboys out there that would be
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wonderful for everybody.
And I, every year I get a littlebit better.
And I have people ask me all thetime if I give lessons or if I,
they could do therapy.
So I know that there's a needhere and we're very rural.
Absolutely.
We're an hour and a half fromany given city.
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Yeah.
So it's hard to for people tofind places and to be able to
take their children and orwhoever it is.
So there's a lot of grant money,especially with the Veterans
Affairs, which you probably knowabout for equine assisted
learning right now to all kindsof programs out there.
I hope you are able to realizethat.
But it also sounds like you'respread pretty thin with all you
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do.
That's the reason why I, Iwaited until I retired from the
military to really get as manyas I have out there, although
I've been working at it, but Ijust became the president and
started our back, our, ourequine club, our saddle club for
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the area it had gone.
Dormant for about the last fouror five years, at least.
But it got that back going lastspring.
But again, I had to wait until Iretired from the military.
Cause I'm like, Oh, there's, Igot too much going on with being
a mom, being working and havingmilitary and all like that.
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So, you know, I'm, I'm now ableto spend a little bit more of my
time doing those kinds ofthings.
And then my husband has hishobbies that we.
It's been doing and my daughteris does a competitive dance.
So we, we are definitely busy,but I wouldn't have it any other
way.
It sounds, sounds like abeautiful life.
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I would love to keep in touchand check in with how the
different projects that you wantto get going are, are happening
and all.
And we're Facebook friends.
So that makes that easy.
I just appreciate so much.
You taking time to chat today.
Is there anything else that youwant to talk about?
Did they cover most of your.
Passionate things around horses.
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I'm just, I'm super excited to,to grow and learn and continue
in my journey with horses, and Ithink that if you want to be
with horses, that that should beyour goal is to continue to
learn and grow and.
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And constantly be in that mindframe that you don't know it
all.
I do see, I see the really greathorse people, and I see the
really crappy ones.
And I think you either have oneor the other a lot of times.
You either have the people thatare constantly trying to tear
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everybody down and know it all,or you have people who are
genuinely always about trying tolearn.
And I, I think that.
It's about being that other typethat are trying to build people
up and trying to learn and Ihope that We can just build each
other up and continue trying tolearn and be the best that we
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can be That's all that that'sall that I want to see And help
other people be a part of ourlives.
That's why I wanted to start thesaddle club is show everybody
how much horses are worth in ourlives and bring it out there for
everyone so that they don't getforgotten.
I know that we have, I know thatwe have.
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All of our modern conveniences,but let's not forget how
important the horse is.
That's very well said.
Yeah, having an open mind andreally recognizing the intrinsic
value that horses bring, whichis ever changing, also for what
our needs are, is justParamount.
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Paramount.
And I know it's expensive, butif some of us can keep them and,
and bring other people intoloving them, gosh, what, what
could be better?
That's a good, it's a goodmission.
So would you say that you'repart of the quiet revolution in
the horse world, moving awayfrom dominance?
I, I would definitely say that,yes.
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Thank you.
Well, thank you again, Sarah.
I really appreciate it.
I loved talking with you today.
You too.
Hi, this is Ishi Abel with theHorse Human Connection Matrix.
Today, I have Sarah Lintha comewith me.
She is a barrel racer, a mother,and a farmer.
And we're just going to chat alittle bit about horses.
Welcome, Sarah.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, absolutely.
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So with most people that havehorses and have had horses for a
long time, you know, there's oneor two or sometimes more horses
that really stand out in yourhistory that changed things for
you or that their story was justlike so compelling.
Do you have a horse like that inyour history?
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I really think those are kind ofhonestly the babies that I have
now or Miko in particular..
He's a native horse.
He's probably the one I'm mostpassionate about.
And the reason is because ofwhat he is.
He is a Choctaw horse.
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He is also known as a SpanishMustang, but in particular, the.
The breed of Spanish Mustang heis, is Choctaw horse.
And I am a native American.
I'm Choctaw.
And I found out that.
A few years ago that my, mytribe not only were horsemen,
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because I already knew that, butthey actually bred specific
traits of Spanish mustangs tobreed their own horses.
And I found out they were stillin existence.
By very slim, almost, almostextinct and that there was
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luckily a few breeders stillthat had them.
And I found one down in Oklahomaand I immediately made contact
with them and It was like, doyou have some?
I want, I want one.
I have to have one.
Initially, I actually, Nico, theone I have here, is not the one
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I had picked out.
I had looked at the ones he hadonline.
I had picked out a, I lovecolor, as everybody does.
I picked out a brown and white,pinto color, a Spanish Mustang
that was gated.
Because I thought, I Gated isawfully nice on the back getting
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older.
I thought oh, yeah, that's whatI want I I picked him out from
the pictures.
I went down on a trip to go lookat him and And I I looked at
him.
He's beautiful Just like I knewhe would be from all the
pictures but I happen to decideto go and look at the other
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Colts and Bryant said, well, doyou want to go look at the other
colts?
Sure, sure, I'm going to go lookat the other colts.
Why would I ever turn downlooking at a horse, right?
And so I happened to step intothe pen with all the other ones,
and there were several gorillas,actually, in the pen.
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But I went over towards them,and he just stood still, and I
started scratching him, and justpetting him, and he just stayed
there, and I started movingaround him, petting him
everywhere, and I rememberBryant telling me, he said,
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Whoa, you know, he hasn't reallybeen handled, you know, all of
our horses, they don't gethandled that much.
Be careful, because I was movingdown to his legs and around his
body, and I know Bryant didn'twant me to get hurt or anything,
but I moved all around him, Ipicked up his feet, I did
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everything with him, and Iremember looking at my husband's
eyes over the top of Mikko'sback, because, you know, he was
just, at this point in time, hewasn't even a yearling, yet he
was just, Mikko's Six or sevenmonths old and I remember
meeting my husband's eyes overthe top of Miko's back and my
husband going That's the one youshould be taking home And I
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remember just nodding my headand thinking in my head while
he's probably right.
This is This is the one.
And I asked Bryant, I said, Ishould probably not ask this
because I'm probably going tochange my mind, but I said, how
much do you want for this one?
And Bryant told me, he said,well, I, I actually, I only want
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a thousand for that one and theywanted fifteen hundred for the
other one.
And I said, although the moneywasn't the issue, I had it for
either one, but I, I, he's less.
And he's more.
Right.
And he picked you.
Yes.
You know so I said, Brian, I,I'm going to, I'm going to have
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to take home a gorilla.
So I ended up coming home.
All right.
We actually didn't bring himhome at the time because in
Southern Oklahoma, it's kind oflike you are right now, nice and
green and February and inNorthern Missouri, it's kind of
like it is right now.
It's.
Snow and ice covered and Ididn't want to shock his system
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and bring him home at that pointin time.
So I left him down there untilspring came.
I didn't move him back up hereuntil May because he was already
shutting out.
At that point in time, and Iwant to bring him back into the
ice in that situation, evengetting him.
It would have been hard on hissystem as young as he was to
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bring him to this coldenvironment.
So I left him down there untilMay and.
We had turned to nice spring atthat point in time, brought him
home.
And so how, how, that was lastyear.
Mika will be three.
So that's two years ago now, twoyears ago.
Okay.
And so what's, how has heimpacted you?
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What are you doing with him?
Is they doing much training orjust kind of hanging out?
And so Mika has been inconsistent training.
Ever since he's come home, we weconstantly I work with my horses
every day because they're in mybackyard.
Literally, if I took the phoneover to the window, you could
see my horses from my officewindow.
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This is my office that I work inevery day.
And I love the fact that I canjust stick my head out the
window and see my boys.
They're all in my backyard rightthere.
So every Every time I walk out,my boys are right there.
And how many, how many do youcurrently have?
Right now, I have seven, seven,six geldings and one stud, Miko
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being my stud horse in mybackyard.
And then I have one one fillywho's over at my friend's house
and she's working with her.
And I did that because myfriend.
She really likes working withhorses and she needed something
to to occupy her time and giveher something to work on as
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well.
So she's over at my friend'shelping her because I believe
that we help them and they helpus.
Absolutely.
What, what are your plans forthis horse?
So Miko, it is evolved.
I did not know that I was goingto leave him to be a stud.
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But I, I've kind of gone off ofMiko's personality.
I, he, I never really had astud.
But he's been, I've been able toleave him.
He's got the personality that Ifeel like he can handle it and I
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can handle him being a stud andsince the numbers are so low and
he is so gorgeous, he is a kindof a golden a golden grula.
He's got the overlay, so he'sgot the dark main with a blonde
overlay, his.
His dad was a black, full black,and his mom was a Palomino, and
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he's just gorgeous.
He's absolutely beautiful andhe's come together very nicely.
He's a small horse, but all ofthem Spanish Mustangs, period,
are small and, and the Choctaw,and they were bred to be that
way.
It's easier to jump on and, andthey're very hardy.
Horses, but numbers are low.
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I'd really like to continue topopulate those numbers and
continue to give the world somemore Choctaw horses.
And with his temperament beingwhat it is.
I'm happy to continue lettinghim be a stud horse and so, and
he also shows a lot of aptitudefor athleticism.
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He loves to chase the otherhorses, move them around.
He'll even bite the calf on thebutt and move him around.
So I will probably, as Icontinue to train him, I'll
train him to do some cattlework.
And do you think he's gated?
He's not.
He's not gated.
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No, but he is smooth.
So when you have, when you havelike a a Spanish Mustang or a
horse with Spanish Mustang bloodand they are gated, is that
like, what do they call it?
The, somebody.
I once heard like the Indianshuffle.
Is that a thing?
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And Indian shuffle is in betweena non gated and a, and a
completely gated.
Okay.
And he, he may get.
There where he does a little bitmore of a of an Indian shuffle
right now He's he's not reallygated at all, but he's a
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smoother.
I think he'll be a smootherride.
I'm not riding him yet I believein waiting a little longer.
He's only three.
He's only three and he's noteven quite three yet He'll be
three in June So, as of thissummer, this spring, this summer
is when I'll actually startgetting on his back.
He's been doing all thegroundwork to get to that point
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so far, but I haven't gotten onhis back at this point in time.
Cause one, he's still got babybrain.
And bones growing.
And he's, and he's stillgrowing.
He's only about 13, three, maybebarely 14 hands.
I don't have a stick, so I can'ttell you exactly, but eyeballing
him, I'm going to guess he'sright there at the 14 hand range
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at this point in time.
So he's, he's still got growingand, and what have you to do?
And he's still a little babybrain.
So he's, he's still growing uphere and.
In his physique as well, so.
So, how have your attitudes andphilosophies about horses
evolved over the years of youbeing, having them in your life?
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I mean, are you where youstarted out or do you have some
different opinions?
I would say I give them a lotmore credit the older I get and
the, the more horses I know.
I, I give them more credit forbeing separate individuals, just
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like humans are separateindividuals.
I, I think that the, the youngerthat I was, horses are just kind
of.
I thought that, that all horseswere kind of the same and the
more that you get to know eachindividual horse, you know, each
individual horse has anindividual personality and I
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think that the, the more that Iwork with them, like I can tell
you the five that I've had hereout here for the last few years,
I can tell you all theindividual quirks and the, the
individual things that they're,Their strengths are and that
their weaknesses are just likehumans.
So I think I learned how youtrain them, how you interact
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with them, how you relate tothem.
And I'm also curious, becauseyou've, you've mentioned Choctaw
and Native American you and thehorse.
Is there.
Are there Native Americantraining methods, which from
what I've read about are oftenvery relationship based that you
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that you bring in and, and whatdoes that look like?
Maybe you can speak to that alittle bit.
Yeah.
And I was also raised by aChoctaw cowboy.
My dad was a growing up, hebroke and he, he would buy,
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sell, trade, break.
And go on to the next horse.
So we constantly had horsescoming in and going out and I
was raised with him and I wasthe way that I was raised all
creatures.
Great and small.
It didn't matter if we weretalking about ants or we were
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talking about horses, you know,from the little bitty things.
They all had a life and they allhad a spirit and they all
deserved to be treated well.
I remember my dad getting on tome.
I had an ant farm.
That if you didn't take care ofthe ant farm, you need to let
the ants go.
You know, all the way down tothat.
So I have brought that with me.
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In everything I have ever doneto take care of animals like I,
I'm hyper vigilant with how Itake care of my animals and it,
it just, it wrecks me to seeanybody who doesn't take care of
them with such great respectand, you know, I'll, I'll take
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care of them before I take careof me, you know, during the
winter, it, it sucks to go outthere and fight the snow and ice
and what have you, but I, youwill find me every day out there
feeding and watering and makingsure that everybody is taking
care of multiple times in theday because there's nobody else
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but me to take care of them.
But you put them where they takecare of themselves.
So that's your responsibility.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of peopledon't get that.
That's the way I was trained tonot that my parents had had
horses when I was young, but theteachers that I've had is like,
you, you put that horse in astall or the pasture, you go
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feed them before you feedyourself.
You take care of the animalsfirst, because.
They can't take care ofthemselves the way you're
keeping them.
And there were some old schoolways that my dad had, you know,
wet saddle blankets, and I stillbelieve in some old school ways
of teaching and training thehorses, but never to be cruel.
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I never, ever once saw my dadever be cruel, even though he
was an older cowboy.
And I don't, I've never believedin being cruel, being firm, you
know, and letting the horsesometimes you have to let the
horse knows who the boss is.
Absolutely.
But there's no need to be crueland there's no need to be harsh.
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And I think that that's an old,outdated way that some people
still believe in, in treatingthem, but I think there's so
much more to learn about workingwith the animal, and the natives
believe that, that they havespirits and they have ways that
you can work with them.
And instead of working againstthem and dominating, I guess you
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will.
Right.
So it sounds like what you'redescribing is what I call
benevolent leadership.
And sure there's, there'sdefinitely times when there
needs to be a definite leader,but it's nice for them to have
some choices.
And if you get to know themreally working with their
personalities, sounds like a bigpart of that too, their
personality and their spirit.
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I think trust is the mostimportant thing.
With a horse.
How do you how do you buildtrust?
The horse looks at you to be theleader and it it looks at you
to.
Keep them safe at all times.
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So my job to build the trust isto make sure that they know that
they are safe with me, to makesure that they believe that they
can follow me through the flamesof hell, if you will.
And I am right there besidethem, you know, I I'm the one
feeding them.
I'm the one standing besidethem.
I'll keep the bears away, youknow?
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So I think that's the mostimportant part of trust is.
Taking care of them at all timesand making sure that you're
right there with them and ineverything that they do, they
can rely upon you.
Yeah, that's clearly putting youin not just trust, but
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leadership.
Yeah.
What would you like to seechange in the horse world?
I mean, do you have some petpeeves?
If you said you've been a barrelracer, are there industry things
that you see that you just go,Oh my gosh, that's just wrong.
I wish I could change that.
I love to see the quiet writers.
I know that.
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That's not everybody's cup oftea, and some, some riders
prefer to be the kind that arereally, are really getting after
it, but I prefer to see thequieter riders, the ones that
the horse knows what they'resupposed to be doing.
If, if the horse isn't enjoyingit, then I don't think that's
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probably the right thing forthem to be doing.
If that makes sense, there'sanother avenue that they would
enjoy a little bit more and andI'm not saying that the horse
always gets to decide what theythey want to do, but they kind
of do really consider them morethan a lot of them get
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considered.
Yes, yes, I would like to seethat happen a little bit more.
I'd like to see people listen tothe horses more, just because
they have the athletic abilityto do something doesn't mean
that that's necessarily whatthey were born to do.
Yeah, some horses love tocompete and some don't.
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Some love the attention and somedon't, you know, as just like,
like an observer of barrelracing and it's not like I've
I've done a whole lot, butoccasionally I'll go down to our
local fairgrounds and I'll watchor I've been somewhere where
there's been some barrel racingor at the local rodeos.
And I've always wondered aboutthis.
So a lot of my writing is trailriding, Western pleasure, a
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little bit of dressage havebeen, you know, some of what
I've been taught and, and Idon't have a whole lot of
training, but I know, you know,when you're working a horse.
In English, you you're lookingat in Western you're looking for
a band or they call it on thestraight that you know when
you're weaving that the horse isbending and yet when I watch
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barrel racers, sometimes itseems like their horses don't
bend and I guess there's someaerodynamic is maybe not the
right word but bio Biomechanicalthings about that.
But is that something thatyou've noticed or that you could
explain to me a little bit howhow some really fast barrel
horses never bend when they goaround the barrel?
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They, they don't bend as much asthey kind of lay, almost lay
over, I guess you'd say.
They're kind of almost moresideways as they go around.
Leaning.
There you go.
Yeah, like a motorcycle.
Mm hmm.
And I don't know why that works,I can't tell you.
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I don't have a lot of formaltraining myself and honestly, it
seems to me like the shorterhorses.
Work better to for, I don't,they're lower to the ground.
I don't know if it, you wouldthink like the longer legs, they
eat more of the arena faster,but I would think the low center
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of gravity would help.
And also shorter horses oftenhave shorter backs, which means
that they, they can maneuvermore easily.
Yeah.
Interesting.
And I like shorter horsesanyway, so it works out well for
me.
I'm short.
I have two pretty short horsesright now, and I'm kind of tall,
so sometimes I'm like, I don'tknow how that's going to work,
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but I, I like them shorter too.
The other thing I was going toask you about what you were
talking about, quiet riders,it's always kind of baffled me
how on the home run, they'redoing all that, that leg
flapping and kicking.
And I'm thinking, That's got tobe slowing you down.
Like you're telling the horse togo faster, but isn't there like
a subtle aid, like just leaningforward and training the horse
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that would have a better benefitwithout all that flapping?
So there are studies done thatsay that the more that you whip,
the more that you spur, youactually are slowing them down
because their mind is on thatversus just running.
And I think that's where itcomes into The horse enjoying it
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and if the horse really enjoysthe run like my buck This is the
reason I got into barrel racingbuck loves to run That's
honestly the reason why I barrelrace him is because he just
really enjoys the run Well, ifhe enjoys it, I'm gonna do it,
you know, it's something that Ican I can do with him So when I
just turn him loose He justgoes.
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And that's the kind of horse Iwant to barrel race.
I don't want to barrel race thehorse that I'm going to have to
beat on to get him to the otherend.
I want the horse that I turnloose and he just opens wide up.
And that's the kind of horse heis.
That's, you know, that's why Ibarrel race him.
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I feel like he enjoys, he enjoysit.
He, we're still working on thepattern, but when I let him go
at the end of that, foosh, he'sgone.
That's what I like.
That's what I like to see too.
I did have the pleasure oftaking a couple of lessons on a
barrel horse here.
And she was so well trained theowner and the teacher of the
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lesson told me, you know, Oh,you don't need to do this or
that.
Just pull your chin forward ahalf an inch, pull your chin
backward a half an inch.
And that's all it took for thathorse to drop into a different
gate.
I love it when the aids can beso subtle and so invisible
throughout all writingdisciplines.
It just seems like the hierarchyto me.
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And I plan on doing a lot moreclinics and going and learning
from people because I, I thinkit's constantly a learning.
I want to continue learning andthere are people out there that
you learn good things from andthat you learn bad things from
and I think every place you go,you'll learn something from,
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whether it's something that youdon't want to do, or something
that you do want to do again.
So I think either way, you'regoing to learn something.
Yeah, I think it's, I think it'sgood.
Sometimes it's just sad whenpeople come away with the wrong
information or information thatdoesn't work for their horse and
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the animal ends up, sufferingfor it.
I do believe that not everyhorse is for every rider.
Right.
And I think that's okay.
It's not going to work I've hada horse that I, he was gorgeous.
I absolutely wanted it to work,but we did not.
We did not click.
And I, it was one of thosewhere.
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Did I want to end up hurt orscrewing him up, or did I want
to let him go to somebody thathe would click more with?
So I chose to let him go tosomebody he would click more
with.
I think, and I think that'sokay.
It's absolutely okay.
I think that's a big part ofjust having an intuition about
it.
And I think horses, maybe theyknow and maybe somehow.
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In another realm, they maneuverto get themselves to the right
place.
I don't know.
Well, I think they're smartenough to know sometimes when
they have their bluff in too.
And, and I'm gonna be the firstto admit, you know, there's,
there's sometimes when they doget their bluff in.
As well, and get their bluff in,they know that they've got you
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where they want you like they,they know that they've got you a
little scared, or they've gotyou a little mystified on on
where to go next.
And they're like.
I've got this girl, I'm gonnakeep her, where she doesn't know
what I'm gonna do next, andshe's, she's a little off of her
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game, and she's a little scared,and They get that.
They understand that.
I like to look at that in termsof they're teaching you
something.
Yes.
On purpose.
Exactly.
Have you, are there, are theresome horses that have taught you
great lessons?
And does anything like come tomind with that?
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Well, like that one I'm tellingyou about, I mean, he taught me
a lesson that there are somehorses that I can't handle.
Yeah.
And that's okay.
You know, there are some horsesthat are beyond my scope.
And also as we get older, therecomes a time when you have to
choose what you should behandling and what you shouldn't,
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especially as mom or dad, or,you know, as your age and bones
tell you that, you know, if Iwas 20, Maybe I'd have kept on,
you know, trying, but as a 40some year old, that was the
point where I got my bell rungon the second go round.
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And I was like, yeah this isprobably where we part ways, you
know, but he was an amazinghorse for somebody else.
Right, right.
And perhaps in a differentdiscipline too.
Right.
So what are you doing withhorses now?
What is, what is like, do youhave goals with them?
Are you, is farming like themain thing?
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Farming and parenthood or where,what's your life like right now?
So my husband is the mainfarmer, if you will.
I just, I kind of help out.
He, Raises corn and soybeans.
Sometimes we raise wheat oralfalfa, depending on the year.
I run a tractor here and there,do a lot of picking up of
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equipment or running meals outor whatever.
Taxiing around and stuff likethat.
But I, I came from a foreignbackground.
We raised cattle and whenever Iwas a kid.
So this is the same kind ofthing I grew up in.
But I also work right now anywayfor the federal government.
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I'm retired military as I toldyou.
But I work from home still atthe moment.
We'll see how much that, thatchanges for me in the next few
months but my goal with myhorses is in time where I can
give a few more lessons.
I'd like to, I have a specialneeds daughter myself, she has
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two horses of her own.
I'd like to even be able to havesome special needs therapy type.
I have a, a master's degree inspecial ed.
I believe that hypnotherapy.
Horse therapy.
I believe in it wholeheartedly.
I'd love to be able to havepeople who have special needs or
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even PTSD from military outworking with these.
I brought home two BLM Mustangs.
That are out there right now.
It's been too cold to work withMooney and Coup, but very much.
But they're out there right nowand I think it would be
wonderful to have people outworking with BMS and, and
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working with them.
I would love.
I would absolutely love to havean arena and have some of those
things going on, but if I cankeep my jobs and be able to put
the money into that and growing,I think I could really make
(29:13):
something out of it.
And I, I know I'll be able toretire from the, I've already
retired from the military andthat would be my retirement.
My ultimate retirement dream.
That's amazing.
Are you familiar with ShariceRudolph's work?
I'm not.
She's retired now, but shelanded.
(29:35):
She was fascinating and I was sograteful that I got to take some
workshops from her while she wasstill doing the horse stuff.
She started with Outward Bound.
And teenagers and ropes coursesand then moved into horses and
military and landed veryspecifically with women with
PTSD from the military andhorse.
(29:55):
I don't know if she was atherapist.
I don't know if I can call ithorse therapy, but equine
assisted learning.
And she wrote this amazing bookIt's 28 equine assisted
exercise.
To do with people and horses andI've worked with the book a
little bit after doing hertrainings and the things that
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come out with people are alwaysjust amazing and not expected
because it's just about theinteraction and about the follow
up questions and processing andthe horses never fail to show up
exactly the way they need to.
Facilitator training is whatit's called Equine Facilitator
Training 28 ExperientialLearning Exercises by Sharif
(30:39):
Rudolph, who now is an artist.
I don't think she does horsesanymore.
I've worked to have the kind ofhorses that I need.
And every year I'm getting, I'mgetting something better
together, but I keep growing.
I am growing.
I have, I have a couple of greatboys out there that would be
(31:03):
wonderful for everybody.
And I, every year I get a littlebit better.
And I have people ask me all thetime if I give lessons or if I,
they could do therapy.
So I know that there's a needhere and we're very rural.
Absolutely.
We're an hour and a half fromany given city.
(31:24):
Yeah.
So it's hard to for people tofind places and to be able to
take their children and orwhoever it is.
So there's a lot of grant money,especially with the Veterans
Affairs, which you probably knowabout for equine assisted
learning right now to all kindsof programs out there.
I hope you are able to realizethat.
But it also sounds like you'respread pretty thin with all you
(31:46):
do.
That's the reason why I, Iwaited until I retired from the
military to really get as manyas I have out there, although
I've been working at it, but Ijust became the president and
started our back, our, ourequine club, our saddle club for
(32:07):
the area it had gone.
Dormant for about the last fouror five years, at least.
But it got that back going lastspring.
But again, I had to wait until Iretired from the military.
Cause I'm like, Oh, there's, Igot too much going on with being
a mom, being working and havingmilitary and all like that.
(32:29):
So, you know, I'm, I'm now ableto spend a little bit more of my
time doing those kinds ofthings.
And then my husband has hishobbies that we.
It's been doing and my daughteris does a competitive dance.
So we, we are definitely busy,but I wouldn't have it any other
way.
It sounds, sounds like abeautiful life.
(32:50):
I would love to keep in touchand check in with how the
different projects that you wantto get going are, are happening
and all.
And we're Facebook friends.
So that makes that easy.
I just appreciate so much.
You taking time to chat today.
Is there anything else that youwant to talk about?
Did they cover most of your.
Passionate things around horses.
(33:11):
I'm just, I'm super excited to,to grow and learn and continue
in my journey with horses, and Ithink that if you want to be
with horses, that that should beyour goal is to continue to
learn and grow and.
(33:31):
And constantly be in that mindframe that you don't know it
all.
I do see, I see the really greathorse people, and I see the
really crappy ones.
And I think you either have oneor the other a lot of times.
You either have the people thatare constantly trying to tear
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everybody down and know it all,or you have people who are
genuinely always about trying tolearn.
And I, I think that.
It's about being that other typethat are trying to build people
up and trying to learn and Ihope that We can just build each
other up and continue trying tolearn and be the best that we
(34:16):
can be That's all that that'sall that I want to see And help
other people be a part of ourlives.
That's why I wanted to start thesaddle club is show everybody
how much horses are worth in ourlives and bring it out there for
everyone so that they don't getforgotten.
I know that we have, I know thatwe have.
(34:40):
All of our modern conveniences,but let's not forget how
important the horse is.
That's very well said.
Yeah, having an open mind andreally recognizing the intrinsic
value that horses bring, whichis ever changing, also for what
our needs are, is justParamount.
(35:01):
Paramount.
And I know it's expensive, butif some of us can keep them and,
and bring other people intoloving them, gosh, what, what
could be better?
That's a good, it's a goodmission.
So would you say that you'repart of the quiet revolution in
the horse world, moving awayfrom dominance?
I, I would definitely say that,yes.
(35:25):
Thank you.
Well, thank you again, Sarah.
I really appreciate it.
I loved talking with you today.
You too.
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