Author, speaker (with Zig Ziglar), coach, marketing guru, and all-around great guy! Hear his journey of how to take negative life-events and turn them into positive high trajectory opportunities by learning about your internal motivations and strengths. See how he confronted his own limiting beliefs and how you can do the same to shift momentum and move forward in life and career!
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Chuck Simikian (00:03):
author, speaker, business coach, business owner,
helping business owners increaseprofits through his strength
based marketing platform. Infact, here's his book right
here. And you can see right nextto me is the man that is adept
(00:27):
at not only increasing profits,but increasing engagement with
both employees. And customers,ladies and gentlemen, Patrick
Dewar.
(00:48):
I was waiting for that. I waswaiting for that.
Pat Dougher (00:52):
Thank you so much.
Thanks. So my sound effects tohelp.
Chuck, it's always a pleasure tobe on the phone with you or on a
video with you. You're brilliantmarketer, you're specialists in
HR, you create engagement in amassive way, even in a virtual
world. Even having developed thecourse for that I'm so honored
(01:15):
that I'm on with you.
Chuck Simikian (01:16):
Yeah, well, I gotta tell you, ladies and
gentlemen, Patrick is the onethat inspired me to bring the HR
and leadership show to fruitionand conduct these, these series
of videocast and podcastinterviews for So for that,
Patrick, I do salute you.
Cheers.
Pat Dougher (01:36):
Thank you so very much. And I'll bring out my
father's no knows best because,hey, I have four kids sit now.
Anyways,
Chuck Simikian (01:45):
talk to me about that mug. You did bring a mug
for us today. Correct? Yeah,it's
Pat Dougher (01:49):
just the it's my favorite because my kids got it
for me. And, you know, there wasthat day, when my oldest son
walked up to me after basicshook my hand and said, Dad, I
just want you to know that youwere right. I was wrong. And I'm
(02:12):
sorry.
And my head exploded, I wassitting there thinking, Oh, my
gosh, you know, whenmy son was 13, I'm convinced
that he was visited in the nightby a celestial being touched in
the head. And given allknowledge and understanding
because parental influence nolonger had relevance in his
life. And I'm pretty certainthere's a lot of parents out
(02:34):
there that are just like me. Sowhen he said that, all I could
think is oh my gosh, themothership returned my son.
Chuck Simikian (02:42):
That's wonderful. And I cannot wait to
hear how you do that sametechnique with customers and
employees and help businessesaffect that same change. But
let's go ahead, talk to the tothe audience today about who you
are, and your journey.
Pat Dougher (03:01):
Thanks. I know we don't have a lot of time on
this, it could probably takethree days. And some you know, I
could probably talk longer. Andyou could listen, let's just say
that 20 years ago, I, I wentthrough a life transformational
process where I began to realizethat there are negative tapes
(03:23):
that hold us back. There areareas of our life where we don't
process the hurts, and thepains, and they and they derail
you. And and then there areparts of our lives, that if we
would just tap into them, I callit your internal motivational
(03:45):
gift or strength. Thateverything could be realized.
Now the first time I saw that itwas a little seven question
test. And I thought it was ajoke. And when are you for real?
This is that. And it said thatteaching was my internal
motivational gift. And I I kidyou not I looked at that and
went No way. There's no way I'mnot smart enough to teach. And
(04:10):
then I thought, where's thatcoming from? And it's it. It was
a seed. And I think all of usknow there's seeds in our life
that are planted. When somebodysays something at a pivotal
moment in our life. Well, firstday of college, I sat down my
academic advisor, and she saidMr. Dewar, do you realize that
(04:31):
99% of all of the rest of thefreshmen are older placed above
you? And all I could think iswow, I'm being called an idiot.
So professionally, all my lifenearly proved right, but I
finally figured it out. Got a BSdegree. It's not all bs Chuck.
But the point is, is that aftercollege, I never want to be
(04:57):
called an idiot ever again. So Ibegan to Learn how to read
faster, remember more, and Istudied accelerated learning
that learn to read really fast.
And remember whatever I wantlists, presentation on notes
names. And and, and so I wasreading at least a book a week
or better for a lot of years,probably 20 years when I
(05:21):
thought, where's that comingfrom? And the one thing about
these limiting beliefs ornegative tapes, the solution is
to confront them with the adulttruth, not the child's truth.
Now that may seem, you know,kind of soft skill, whatever.
But the reality is, is that, howmany times in our lives how many
(05:47):
times in your life have you hadthat situation where you could
have moved forward, butsomething inside you said, I'm
not enough. And if you listen toit, you didn't take action. And
the adult truth is, you'velearned how to process
(06:07):
information. Remember what youwant, you've learned lessons,
and it's no longer that child'smind in play. Your adult mind is
what can shift everything. Andso I remember, I sit there, and
I thought, you know, if thisgift is in me, then I'm going to
start using it. And my lifeshifted. Within six months, I
was being asked to speak aroundthe Dallas Fort Worth area, I
(06:31):
started teaching a three dayevent on, on how to find your
purpose and your passion. I didit 13 times a year for over 10
years. And it opened up the doorfor me to move into professional
speaking, business coaching,running mastermind groups for
for million dollar plusbusinesses, and even opened the
(06:51):
doors for me to do radio and TVand all kinds of stuff. And so,
yeah, I look at that, and I go,what would it be like? If people
could find that? Just theirprimary? site? We all have lots
of gifts, and it's like thepersonality styles.
Unknown (07:15):
Mm hmm.
Pat Dougher (07:16):
Jackie, you know, as an HR person, how many
different personality styletools Did you employ? In all the
years that you were in HR?
Chuck Simikian (07:26):
Sure, I can think of the disc profiles
communication style profile,which there's a billion
different variations on thatthere's the official then
there's people have built theirown disc. There's the colors,
there's the Myers Briggs,there's lions and
Pat Dougher (07:43):
tigers and bears, and
Chuck Simikian (07:45):
oh, my Exactly.
Pat Dougher (07:49):
I mean, that's what I saw. And even though they you
know, they have all this stuffon strengths. And but the
biggest mistake that everybodymakes in those things is they
they learn about kind of somecharacteristics in them. And I
go, that's, that's one that'snot the right way to use them.
(08:10):
right way to use them, is to beable to read others. And what's
nice about learning your gift isawesome. But can you recognize
it? for 10 years, I ran thisthree day event, and I've run as
a leader, all the organizationsI've been a part of, I identify
(08:31):
their gift, where they reallyget charged up that thing that
you do that you never can gettired of identify it like that.
And then I use that and I tapinto that, and I tie the mission
of the organization to theirpast.
Chuck Simikian (08:49):
Yeah, and so
Pat Dougher (08:50):
doing, it creates more engagement.
Chuck Simikian (08:53):
Now, that's, I love that model. So and that's
why I wanted to have you on theshow today. Because there's so
much you have to offer. I mean,you've written, you've written a
book, I said, you were anauthor. At some point, I'd love
to have you back on the show totalk more about strength based
marketing. But one of the thingsthat did resonate with me was
(09:17):
when we had the conversation onthe gifts, and that's so true,
once you know your gift, itcreates more engagement, and did
use the term more joy, more joy,
Pat Dougher (09:30):
more enjoyment, and in real passion, to be a part of
the organization and to be to beable to fulfill the the mission
of the of that company. I mean,that those are the things that I
see if somebody if you can, it'sit's like you want to put that
switch in people. Because if youever have you ever sat there and
(09:54):
had that one person in yourorganization that every time you
Get within eight feet of them,every muscle in your body locks.
And inside of your head, you'rescreaming, if you would just get
off your butt.
You can be so good at this.
You know what I'm talking about?
Chuck?
Chuck Simikian (10:15):
Absolutely, absolutely. And you've been
really good as a folks, Patrickis a business coach, and he can
bring this, this model to you.
And I was hoping you could justshare for our audience, just a
taste of that. Because you know,that would be amazing. Thank
you. Thank
Pat Dougher (10:33):
you. Thank you, I was the one thing I was really
hoping to be able to do. So I'mgoing to take the helm, so to
speak. And this is the this isthe test that I was talking
about, you know, really findingyour purpose. And the first
decision you have to make onthis little short seven question
test is art. Are you a personthat naturally in your life's
(10:58):
history? Do you tend to be onethat would rather work with your
hands or speak with your mouth?
If it's work with your hands,then what we're going to do is
we're going to go down the handsout a lot of speakers just just
hush for a second. And I'll getto you in a second. But the
hands people, that's yournatural. What you want to do is
as you walk through this, you'rejust looking at, do you respond
(11:24):
more to people's practicalneeds, or how they feel if it's,
if it's how they feel you'regoing to put you're going to
write down the number one andyou're done, you can just wait a
few minutes. And if it'speople's practical needs, then
would you rather help someone inneed by doing something for them
(11:44):
or giving them money? If it'sdoing, then you want to put your
news show you put up numberthree down? If it's giving
money, number four, and you'redone and just pause for a second
and then we'll we'll come backto you in a second. Okay, now,
(12:06):
if you'rea person that likes to be with
their mouth, or more expressivethan to form an opinion about
something, would you probably goby what you feel or believe
already, or research it untilyou're confident if it's
research it, then put down rightnow number two, and if it's fly
by the seat of your pants, so tospeak in giving advice? Do you
(12:28):
give practical steps of actionor quota a references a basis
for action? If it's quotesomething, write down? Number
Five? If it's good practicalsteps of action, do you find
that you adapt easily to anysituation, or get frustrated
with red tape and delays?
(12:51):
adapting number six, getfrustrated number seven, and
then that's it. That's the test.
You should have exactly onenumber in front of you. Only one
number, because we're lookingfor that biggest part of you. We
all have some of these things.
Now let me show you what thenumbers really stand for. And
(13:13):
they stand for these internalmotivational gifts like Mercy is
number one, two is teachingthree serving for giving five
professing six exhortation andseven administration. Awesome.
Yeah. If you if you have thenumber one, that that gift of
(13:38):
mercy to teaching, servingstraight through I was number
two, teaching. I know, Chuck youwere number six, exploitation,
big time and it makes totalsense. Especially when you look
at and I'm going to fly throughthese pretty pretty quickly. So
all I'm going to do is go keypoints of mercy. Always looking
(14:01):
for the good and people. Highempathy. Always feeling that
that emotional stress aroundyou. Teaching presents the truth
in a logical systematic wayloves to study and do research
tends to neglect the practicalapplication.
Sometimes we know what to do weknow Do we know to do so.
(14:23):
Service.
It's kind of like a mercy withfeet. Because you see what needs
to take place and you movetowards it. You see the socks on
the floor. You see that piece ofsomething that's out of order
you just go and fix it. You youever need to feel appreciated,
(14:46):
but you don't want somebody tolike give a ticker tape parade
for you. When you look at givingthese are that number four was
giving and It's amazing, theyreally understand that process
of seed time and harvest so manytimes they're really good at
(15:09):
business. And they're reallygood at understanding how to
attract the resources that areneeded. I mean, they're amazing
of walk up to you and go achuck. It's a Betty's birthday
next week, give me two bucks andthe holder handout in front of
you just going it's crazy. And,and believe me, I've had that
(15:33):
person in front of me and I hadtwo bucks in there and going, I
didn't like Betty at that point,you know, whenever. So
professing is someone who speaksthe truth. A lot of times, even
when you don't want it, they'lltell you how the cow ate the
cabbage. You know, they juststraight there's black and white
on off, right? Wrong. That's it.
(15:55):
very outspoken. exhortationloves to encourage others. Check
how many times in your life yousaid, you know, if I can do it,
you can do it. And believe you.
It's amazing that cheerleader,that person that is always out
to set others free. And thenadministration, it's amazing.
(16:15):
These people bring order tochaos, they see what's going on,
they bring order just bybringing the resource together,
making those things so and andgetting things done in a way
that me that is very systematic.
The the most amazing thing aboutthese is that when you
(16:35):
understand what that gift is, Iwant to take it to another
level. And it has to do with oneday I realized I had heard this,
this story about these, thesethree guys, Bill bright, Francis
Schaefer and Orrin Cunningham,they got together and and one
(16:58):
had an idea of mountains ofinfluence to change a culture
and other head pillars. Andthen, you know, the third one
was was like, stones orsomething. My point though is,
is that I've found that theythere are these guys realized
that there were seven ormountains or pillars of
(17:23):
influence to change a culture,whether it's religion, family,
education, media, arts,entertainment, government, and
business. Well, then, some myfriends, and I started looking
at this and we went, Wow, isn'tit interesting that mercy and
(17:45):
family are so connected betweeneducation, serving arts and
entertainment, giving business,professing media, they're
supposed to tell the truth,exploitation, I say the word
religion, but I want toencourage you to sub two that
was spiritual. That's that, thatin that enthusiasm, which that's
(18:09):
a Latin word that breaks down toto fill with a spirit with the
Spirit. And so don't get hung upon religion. It's not about
rain. I
Chuck Simikian (18:20):
get it, though.
That makes sense.
Pat Dougher (18:21):
Yeah. And then administration, government, da,
well, then when you look atthese different areas, I think,
wouldn't it be cool if somebodyhas high mercy, think of where's
the family that you that youwork with. Now, it doesn't
(18:43):
necessarily mean your ownpersonal family, it could mean
the family and your workplace,and how that Mercy is engaging
those people or your customersand how you feel what's going
on. And you can help them solvetheir problems, teaching, any
form of training. If you're ifyou're really good at research,
(19:07):
and you can bring it in, andthen you can translate it inside
so that other people can hearit. Then be engaged in that you
work with your clients that wayyou work with your team that
way. Now, arts and entertainmentthere. It's amazing how many
different areas. This goes intoone of my good friends, a guy
(19:30):
named Rob skiba, who is a moviemaker arts and entertainment and
and he is making movies that areabout what's in his heart and
what he wants to what's onespring out. Give her business.
I've seen amazing businesspeople. There's one one of my
(19:54):
friends in this area guy namedSaul David amazing businessman
and he is a huge giver, andattracts the resources that are
necessary for whatever they'redoing. Brilliant, amazing. So
you can see media exploitation,these the things that if we
(20:14):
tapped into and attached, wherethey get their charge, yeah, to
the mission of the organization.
Now, all of a sudden, massiveresults in everything that that
people are they are trying toachieve. So with that, I'll,
I'll flip the screen back overto you. And say, you know, I
(20:36):
hope you got something out ofthat, because it's just about
that, that really finding thatpassion? Yeah.
Chuck Simikian (20:46):
So let me just tell you a few things that I
like about that. It's simple.
That is a very simplequestionnaire. It is a very
simple model. If once Iunderstand my, my core strength,
my core value, my core gift, andhow, as a business owner, would
(21:11):
I take that? and roll it out tomy team? And then what do we do
with it afterwards? And is thatsomething that you can help
facilitate? Yeah,
Pat Dougher (21:30):
it's, once we understand Rs, that's good, it's
better to know, all seven, andbe able to read it in people.
Because for for over 10 years, Isaw how powerful that was
running the three day event,we're out of 18 trainers in an
event. And I get pretty good atreading what somebody is, that
(21:54):
shows up, it's like personalitystyles, but only, it's where
they're what they're designed toreally be a part of. And so I
would just, I would create teamsthat we're really synergetic is
synergistic in every way. Andthen I would assign tasks based
on their gifts, I'm not going totake mercy necessarily, and put
(22:18):
them in a speaking role, unlessthey've practiced and, and
really kind of raised thatgiftie up. But I might take a
teacher like that, anadministrator, you know, I'll
use them in that area, becausethey're good at communication.
If I need somebody that isreally good for morale, I'm
(22:43):
gonna find that expectation,right, and put them in some key
areas of influence.
Chuck Simikian (22:48):
Right. And they're not only good at it, but
it's their passion. So, youknow, people say, Well, I'm,
you're really good at that.
Yeah, but I don't really likedoing that. Okay. But this is,
they're good at it. And theyenjoy it. And when you can
identify that and what's thatterm, you always use? connect
the Connect your passion, toyour creates movement with
Pat Dougher (23:18):
connecting, I just say, you know, you always want
to connect your, your passion,with your profession. Yes. And
what's really nice is if you canconnect your purpose and your
passion with your profession,then you do what you love to do.
(23:39):
And get paid for
Chuck Simikian (23:42):
an invoice.
Right? That's awesome. You know,the exciting thing is, I feel
like that's what I'm doing now.
Now that I've gone out as a HRconsultant, HR coach, trainer,
Speaker, I absolutely love doingthat. I love doing these
interviews. And folks, I said,Patrick is the one that's
(24:03):
inspired me. He's been a friend.
He's been a coach. You're mymuse. Me, yeah, you complete me,
Patrick. So. So with that allbeing said, you know, we're
getting short on our time. Andyou have so much more to share.
I would love to have you back onthe show in a few weeks to talk
(24:25):
more about what you have tooffer. But let's talk about now
if people want to get in touchwith you. Now, how could they do
that? And what would theexperience be like? Well, thank
Pat Dougher (24:37):
you. And actually, the easiest way to do it is
we've got this this group calledstrength based marketing on
Facebook, you can join that.
Another way that I think is far,far more useful, is send me an
email. Okay. And it is I'm goingto give you the simple Email.
(24:58):
And then I'll tell you mywebsite afterwards, the simple
email goes like this. PatrickBa, T, ri ck at D O E R, which
is the way you pronounce my lastname, do we are like do or like
get her done, do we our successas you ccss.com Patrick at
doober success.com, boom, andjust send me in, send me a note,
(25:21):
maybe if you want to see thetest, I'll shoot you the PDFs.
And if you want to learn more,let's start a dialogue. The
other thing you can do is go outto it, this is a little longer.
So you're gonna have to writethis down as do we are Dewar and
then one zero, like 10, and thenk like 4000, do er, 10k, one 0k
(25:41):
business strategies with all theSS and they'll be business
strategies, calm duer 10kbusiness strategies.com. And
there are four videos out therethat are all on lead generation
marketing, best practices, andand I even have an email for
(26:07):
that which is Patrick at Dewar10k business strategies, which
you connect me they kind of allcame to come to the same
computer. But my my purpose inthat is to try to say there's
value in my book is on Amazon,but if you're interested in it,
just send me a note. And whatI'll do is I'll, I'll sign a
copy for you, I got a few here.
(26:30):
And, and you know, sending aninvoice for 20 bucks, 20 bucks.
And what I'll do is I'llactually include my second book
that I was in this year, whichwas actually a What do they call
it a comp, like severaldifferent authors. compilation,
(26:51):
as a compilation, there's ananthology, anthology Anthology,
and this was a success for us tobe that I was in but my point is
awesome. Both of them do for 20bucks. Normally, those are the
more I it's not about the money.
It's it's ideas are what createssuccess. My mentor used to say,
if you want to change what youare, and where you are, you have
(27:16):
to change it goes into your mindfrom this point. And the guy
that said that's no longer withus, his name was Zig Ziglar.
And, and I got to work with Zigis one of the speakers he's a
pair you got to rinse repeatenough on anything to get past
the conscious mind into theunconscious mind. Because
(27:37):
lasting change comes from theunconscious mind. I so agree
with that. So I appreciate youasking that. Chuck. Thank you so
very much. Yeah,
Chuck Simikian (27:47):
Patrick.
Fantastic. You know, ladies andgentlemen, Patrick Dewar,
author, business coach, keynotespeaker. I have been working
with Patrick to help me out withmy own direction and business.
Get HR help. now.com is mywebsite. If you need HR help,
come see me. Leadership,business coaching, core
(28:12):
strength, core gifting? Checkout Patrick stuff, check out
strength based marketing onFacebook. Patrick, thanks for
being here today.
Pat Dougher (28:25):
Chuck, always an honor. Thank you.
author, speaker, business coach, business owner,
helping business owners increaseprofits through his strength
based marketing platform. Infact, here's his book right
here. And you can see right nextto me is the man that is adept
(00:27):
at not only increasing profits,but increasing engagement with
both employees. And customers,ladies and gentlemen, Patrick
Dewar.
(00:48):
I was waiting for that. I waswaiting for that.
Pat Dougher (00:52):
Thank you so much.
Thanks. So my sound effects tohelp.
Chuck, it's always a pleasure tobe on the phone with you or on a
video with you. You're brilliantmarketer, you're specialists in
HR, you create engagement in amassive way, even in a virtual
world. Even having developed thecourse for that I'm so honored
(01:15):
that I'm on with you.
Chuck Simikian (01:16):
Yeah, well, I gotta tell you, ladies and
gentlemen, Patrick is the onethat inspired me to bring the HR
and leadership show to fruitionand conduct these, these series
of videocast and podcastinterviews for So for that,
Patrick, I do salute you.
Cheers.
Pat Dougher (01:36):
Thank you so very much. And I'll bring out my
father's no knows best because,hey, I have four kids sit now.
Anyways,
Chuck Simikian (01:45):
talk to me about that mug. You did bring a mug
for us today. Correct? Yeah,it's
Pat Dougher (01:49):
just the it's my favorite because my kids got it
for me. And, you know, there wasthat day, when my oldest son
walked up to me after basicshook my hand and said, Dad, I
just want you to know that youwere right. I was wrong. And I'm
(02:12):
sorry.
And my head exploded, I wassitting there thinking, Oh, my
gosh, you know, whenmy son was 13, I'm convinced
that he was visited in the nightby a celestial being touched in
the head. And given allknowledge and understanding
because parental influence nolonger had relevance in his
life. And I'm pretty certainthere's a lot of parents out
(02:34):
there that are just like me. Sowhen he said that, all I could
think is oh my gosh, themothership returned my son.
Chuck Simikian (02:42):
That's wonderful. And I cannot wait to
hear how you do that sametechnique with customers and
employees and help businessesaffect that same change. But
let's go ahead, talk to the tothe audience today about who you
are, and your journey.
Pat Dougher (03:01):
Thanks. I know we don't have a lot of time on
this, it could probably takethree days. And some you know, I
could probably talk longer. Andyou could listen, let's just say
that 20 years ago, I, I wentthrough a life transformational
process where I began to realizethat there are negative tapes
(03:23):
that hold us back. There areareas of our life where we don't
process the hurts, and thepains, and they and they derail
you. And and then there areparts of our lives, that if we
would just tap into them, I callit your internal motivational
(03:45):
gift or strength. Thateverything could be realized.
Now the first time I saw that itwas a little seven question
test. And I thought it was ajoke. And when are you for real?
This is that. And it said thatteaching was my internal
motivational gift. And I I kidyou not I looked at that and
went No way. There's no way I'mnot smart enough to teach. And
(04:10):
then I thought, where's thatcoming from? And it's it. It was
a seed. And I think all of usknow there's seeds in our life
that are planted. When somebodysays something at a pivotal
moment in our life. Well, firstday of college, I sat down my
academic advisor, and she saidMr. Dewar, do you realize that
(04:31):
99% of all of the rest of thefreshmen are older placed above
you? And all I could think iswow, I'm being called an idiot.
So professionally, all my lifenearly proved right, but I
finally figured it out. Got a BSdegree. It's not all bs Chuck.
But the point is, is that aftercollege, I never want to be
(04:57):
called an idiot ever again. So Ibegan to Learn how to read
faster, remember more, and Istudied accelerated learning
that learn to read really fast.
And remember whatever I wantlists, presentation on notes
names. And and, and so I wasreading at least a book a week
or better for a lot of years,probably 20 years when I
(05:21):
thought, where's that comingfrom? And the one thing about
these limiting beliefs ornegative tapes, the solution is
to confront them with the adulttruth, not the child's truth.
Now that may seem, you know,kind of soft skill, whatever.
But the reality is, is that, howmany times in our lives how many
(05:47):
times in your life have you hadthat situation where you could
have moved forward, butsomething inside you said, I'm
not enough. And if you listen toit, you didn't take action. And
the adult truth is, you'velearned how to process
(06:07):
information. Remember what youwant, you've learned lessons,
and it's no longer that child'smind in play. Your adult mind is
what can shift everything. Andso I remember, I sit there, and
I thought, you know, if thisgift is in me, then I'm going to
start using it. And my lifeshifted. Within six months, I
was being asked to speak aroundthe Dallas Fort Worth area, I
(06:31):
started teaching a three dayevent on, on how to find your
purpose and your passion. I didit 13 times a year for over 10
years. And it opened up the doorfor me to move into professional
speaking, business coaching,running mastermind groups for
for million dollar plusbusinesses, and even opened the
(06:51):
doors for me to do radio and TVand all kinds of stuff. And so,
yeah, I look at that, and I go,what would it be like? If people
could find that? Just theirprimary? site? We all have lots
of gifts, and it's like thepersonality styles.
Unknown (07:15):
Mm hmm.
Pat Dougher (07:16):
Jackie, you know, as an HR person, how many
different personality styletools Did you employ? In all the
years that you were in HR?
Chuck Simikian (07:26):
Sure, I can think of the disc profiles
communication style profile,which there's a billion
different variations on thatthere's the official then
there's people have built theirown disc. There's the colors,
there's the Myers Briggs,there's lions and
Pat Dougher (07:43):
tigers and bears, and
Chuck Simikian (07:45):
oh, my Exactly.
Pat Dougher (07:49):
I mean, that's what I saw. And even though they you
know, they have all this stuffon strengths. And but the
biggest mistake that everybodymakes in those things is they
they learn about kind of somecharacteristics in them. And I
go, that's, that's one that'snot the right way to use them.
(08:10):
right way to use them, is to beable to read others. And what's
nice about learning your gift isawesome. But can you recognize
it? for 10 years, I ran thisthree day event, and I've run as
a leader, all the organizationsI've been a part of, I identify
(08:31):
their gift, where they reallyget charged up that thing that
you do that you never can gettired of identify it like that.
And then I use that and I tapinto that, and I tie the mission
of the organization to theirpast.
Chuck Simikian (08:49):
Yeah, and so
Pat Dougher (08:50):
doing, it creates more engagement.
Chuck Simikian (08:53):
Now, that's, I love that model. So and that's
why I wanted to have you on theshow today. Because there's so
much you have to offer. I mean,you've written, you've written a
book, I said, you were anauthor. At some point, I'd love
to have you back on the show totalk more about strength based
marketing. But one of the thingsthat did resonate with me was
(09:17):
when we had the conversation onthe gifts, and that's so true,
once you know your gift, itcreates more engagement, and did
use the term more joy, more joy,
Pat Dougher (09:30):
more enjoyment, and in real passion, to be a part of
the organization and to be to beable to fulfill the the mission
of the of that company. I mean,that those are the things that I
see if somebody if you can, it'sit's like you want to put that
switch in people. Because if youever have you ever sat there and
(09:54):
had that one person in yourorganization that every time you
Get within eight feet of them,every muscle in your body locks.
And inside of your head, you'rescreaming, if you would just get
off your butt.
You can be so good at this.
You know what I'm talking about?
Chuck?
Chuck Simikian (10:15):
Absolutely, absolutely. And you've been
really good as a folks, Patrickis a business coach, and he can
bring this, this model to you.
And I was hoping you could justshare for our audience, just a
taste of that. Because you know,that would be amazing. Thank
you. Thank
Pat Dougher (10:33):
you. Thank you, I was the one thing I was really
hoping to be able to do. So I'mgoing to take the helm, so to
speak. And this is the this isthe test that I was talking
about, you know, really findingyour purpose. And the first
decision you have to make onthis little short seven question
test is art. Are you a personthat naturally in your life's
(10:58):
history? Do you tend to be onethat would rather work with your
hands or speak with your mouth?
If it's work with your hands,then what we're going to do is
we're going to go down the handsout a lot of speakers just just
hush for a second. And I'll getto you in a second. But the
hands people, that's yournatural. What you want to do is
as you walk through this, you'rejust looking at, do you respond
(11:24):
more to people's practicalneeds, or how they feel if it's,
if it's how they feel you'regoing to put you're going to
write down the number one andyou're done, you can just wait a
few minutes. And if it'speople's practical needs, then
would you rather help someone inneed by doing something for them
(11:44):
or giving them money? If it'sdoing, then you want to put your
news show you put up numberthree down? If it's giving
money, number four, and you'redone and just pause for a second
and then we'll we'll come backto you in a second. Okay, now,
(12:06):
if you'rea person that likes to be with
their mouth, or more expressivethan to form an opinion about
something, would you probably goby what you feel or believe
already, or research it untilyou're confident if it's
research it, then put down rightnow number two, and if it's fly
by the seat of your pants, so tospeak in giving advice? Do you
(12:28):
give practical steps of actionor quota a references a basis
for action? If it's quotesomething, write down? Number
Five? If it's good practicalsteps of action, do you find
that you adapt easily to anysituation, or get frustrated
with red tape and delays?
(12:51):
adapting number six, getfrustrated number seven, and
then that's it. That's the test.
You should have exactly onenumber in front of you. Only one
number, because we're lookingfor that biggest part of you. We
all have some of these things.
Now let me show you what thenumbers really stand for. And
(13:13):
they stand for these internalmotivational gifts like Mercy is
number one, two is teachingthree serving for giving five
professing six exhortation andseven administration. Awesome.
Yeah. If you if you have thenumber one, that that gift of
(13:38):
mercy to teaching, servingstraight through I was number
two, teaching. I know, Chuck youwere number six, exploitation,
big time and it makes totalsense. Especially when you look
at and I'm going to fly throughthese pretty pretty quickly. So
all I'm going to do is go keypoints of mercy. Always looking
(14:01):
for the good and people. Highempathy. Always feeling that
that emotional stress aroundyou. Teaching presents the truth
in a logical systematic wayloves to study and do research
tends to neglect the practicalapplication.
Sometimes we know what to do weknow Do we know to do so.
(14:23):
Service.
It's kind of like a mercy withfeet. Because you see what needs
to take place and you movetowards it. You see the socks on
the floor. You see that piece ofsomething that's out of order
you just go and fix it. You youever need to feel appreciated,
(14:46):
but you don't want somebody tolike give a ticker tape parade
for you. When you look at givingthese are that number four was
giving and It's amazing, theyreally understand that process
of seed time and harvest so manytimes they're really good at
(15:09):
business. And they're reallygood at understanding how to
attract the resources that areneeded. I mean, they're amazing
of walk up to you and go achuck. It's a Betty's birthday
next week, give me two bucks andthe holder handout in front of
you just going it's crazy. And,and believe me, I've had that
(15:33):
person in front of me and I hadtwo bucks in there and going, I
didn't like Betty at that point,you know, whenever. So
professing is someone who speaksthe truth. A lot of times, even
when you don't want it, they'lltell you how the cow ate the
cabbage. You know, they juststraight there's black and white
on off, right? Wrong. That's it.
(15:55):
very outspoken. exhortationloves to encourage others. Check
how many times in your life yousaid, you know, if I can do it,
you can do it. And believe you.
It's amazing that cheerleader,that person that is always out
to set others free. And thenadministration, it's amazing.
(16:15):
These people bring order tochaos, they see what's going on,
they bring order just bybringing the resource together,
making those things so and andgetting things done in a way
that me that is very systematic.
The the most amazing thing aboutthese is that when you
(16:35):
understand what that gift is, Iwant to take it to another
level. And it has to do with oneday I realized I had heard this,
this story about these, thesethree guys, Bill bright, Francis
Schaefer and Orrin Cunningham,they got together and and one
(16:58):
had an idea of mountains ofinfluence to change a culture
and other head pillars. Andthen, you know, the third one
was was like, stones orsomething. My point though is,
is that I've found that theythere are these guys realized
that there were seven ormountains or pillars of
(17:23):
influence to change a culture,whether it's religion, family,
education, media, arts,entertainment, government, and
business. Well, then, some myfriends, and I started looking
at this and we went, Wow, isn'tit interesting that mercy and
(17:45):
family are so connected betweeneducation, serving arts and
entertainment, giving business,professing media, they're
supposed to tell the truth,exploitation, I say the word
religion, but I want toencourage you to sub two that
was spiritual. That's that, thatin that enthusiasm, which that's
(18:09):
a Latin word that breaks down toto fill with a spirit with the
Spirit. And so don't get hung upon religion. It's not about
rain. I
Chuck Simikian (18:20):
get it, though.
That makes sense.
Pat Dougher (18:21):
Yeah. And then administration, government, da,
well, then when you look atthese different areas, I think,
wouldn't it be cool if somebodyhas high mercy, think of where's
the family that you that youwork with. Now, it doesn't
(18:43):
necessarily mean your ownpersonal family, it could mean
the family and your workplace,and how that Mercy is engaging
those people or your customersand how you feel what's going
on. And you can help them solvetheir problems, teaching, any
form of training. If you're ifyou're really good at research,
(19:07):
and you can bring it in, andthen you can translate it inside
so that other people can hearit. Then be engaged in that you
work with your clients that wayyou work with your team that
way. Now, arts and entertainmentthere. It's amazing how many
different areas. This goes intoone of my good friends, a guy
(19:30):
named Rob skiba, who is a moviemaker arts and entertainment and
and he is making movies that areabout what's in his heart and
what he wants to what's onespring out. Give her business.
I've seen amazing businesspeople. There's one one of my
(19:54):
friends in this area guy namedSaul David amazing businessman
and he is a huge giver, andattracts the resources that are
necessary for whatever they'redoing. Brilliant, amazing. So
you can see media exploitation,these the things that if we
(20:14):
tapped into and attached, wherethey get their charge, yeah, to
the mission of the organization.
Now, all of a sudden, massiveresults in everything that that
people are they are trying toachieve. So with that, I'll,
I'll flip the screen back overto you. And say, you know, I
(20:36):
hope you got something out ofthat, because it's just about
that, that really finding thatpassion? Yeah.
Chuck Simikian (20:46):
So let me just tell you a few things that I
like about that. It's simple.
That is a very simplequestionnaire. It is a very
simple model. If once Iunderstand my, my core strength,
my core value, my core gift, andhow, as a business owner, would
(21:11):
I take that? and roll it out tomy team? And then what do we do
with it afterwards? And is thatsomething that you can help
facilitate? Yeah,
Pat Dougher (21:30):
it's, once we understand Rs, that's good, it's
better to know, all seven, andbe able to read it in people.
Because for for over 10 years, Isaw how powerful that was
running the three day event,we're out of 18 trainers in an
event. And I get pretty good atreading what somebody is, that
(21:54):
shows up, it's like personalitystyles, but only, it's where
they're what they're designed toreally be a part of. And so I
would just, I would create teamsthat we're really synergetic is
synergistic in every way. Andthen I would assign tasks based
on their gifts, I'm not going totake mercy necessarily, and put
(22:18):
them in a speaking role, unlessthey've practiced and, and
really kind of raised thatgiftie up. But I might take a
teacher like that, anadministrator, you know, I'll
use them in that area, becausethey're good at communication.
If I need somebody that isreally good for morale, I'm
(22:43):
gonna find that expectation,right, and put them in some key
areas of influence.
Chuck Simikian (22:48):
Right. And they're not only good at it, but
it's their passion. So, youknow, people say, Well, I'm,
you're really good at that.
Yeah, but I don't really likedoing that. Okay. But this is,
they're good at it. And theyenjoy it. And when you can
identify that and what's thatterm, you always use? connect
the Connect your passion, toyour creates movement with
Pat Dougher (23:18):
connecting, I just say, you know, you always want
to connect your, your passion,with your profession. Yes. And
what's really nice is if you canconnect your purpose and your
passion with your profession,then you do what you love to do.
(23:39):
And get paid for
Chuck Simikian (23:42):
an invoice.
Right? That's awesome. You know,the exciting thing is, I feel
like that's what I'm doing now.
Now that I've gone out as a HRconsultant, HR coach, trainer,
Speaker, I absolutely love doingthat. I love doing these
interviews. And folks, I said,Patrick is the one that's
(24:03):
inspired me. He's been a friend.
He's been a coach. You're mymuse. Me, yeah, you complete me,
Patrick. So. So with that allbeing said, you know, we're
getting short on our time. Andyou have so much more to share.
I would love to have you back onthe show in a few weeks to talk
(24:25):
more about what you have tooffer. But let's talk about now
if people want to get in touchwith you. Now, how could they do
that? And what would theexperience be like? Well, thank
Pat Dougher (24:37):
you. And actually, the easiest way to do it is
we've got this this group calledstrength based marketing on
Facebook, you can join that.
Another way that I think is far,far more useful, is send me an
email. Okay. And it is I'm goingto give you the simple Email.
(24:58):
And then I'll tell you mywebsite afterwards, the simple
email goes like this. PatrickBa, T, ri ck at D O E R, which
is the way you pronounce my lastname, do we are like do or like
get her done, do we our successas you ccss.com Patrick at
doober success.com, boom, andjust send me in, send me a note,
(25:21):
maybe if you want to see thetest, I'll shoot you the PDFs.
And if you want to learn more,let's start a dialogue. The
other thing you can do is go outto it, this is a little longer.
So you're gonna have to writethis down as do we are Dewar and
then one zero, like 10, and thenk like 4000, do er, 10k, one 0k
(25:41):
business strategies with all theSS and they'll be business
strategies, calm duer 10kbusiness strategies.com. And
there are four videos out therethat are all on lead generation
marketing, best practices, andand I even have an email for
(26:07):
that which is Patrick at Dewar10k business strategies, which
you connect me they kind of allcame to come to the same
computer. But my my purpose inthat is to try to say there's
value in my book is on Amazon,but if you're interested in it,
just send me a note. And whatI'll do is I'll, I'll sign a
copy for you, I got a few here.
(26:30):
And, and you know, sending aninvoice for 20 bucks, 20 bucks.
And what I'll do is I'llactually include my second book
that I was in this year, whichwas actually a What do they call
it a comp, like severaldifferent authors. compilation,
(26:51):
as a compilation, there's ananthology, anthology Anthology,
and this was a success for us tobe that I was in but my point is
awesome. Both of them do for 20bucks. Normally, those are the
more I it's not about the money.
It's it's ideas are what createssuccess. My mentor used to say,
if you want to change what youare, and where you are, you have
(27:16):
to change it goes into your mindfrom this point. And the guy
that said that's no longer withus, his name was Zig Ziglar.
And, and I got to work with Zigis one of the speakers he's a
pair you got to rinse repeatenough on anything to get past
the conscious mind into theunconscious mind. Because
(27:37):
lasting change comes from theunconscious mind. I so agree
with that. So I appreciate youasking that. Chuck. Thank you so
very much. Yeah,
Chuck Simikian (27:47):
Patrick.
Fantastic. You know, ladies andgentlemen, Patrick Dewar,
author, business coach, keynotespeaker. I have been working
with Patrick to help me out withmy own direction and business.
Get HR help. now.com is mywebsite. If you need HR help,
come see me. Leadership,business coaching, core
(28:12):
strength, core gifting? Checkout Patrick stuff, check out
strength based marketing onFacebook. Patrick, thanks for
being here today.
Pat Dougher (28:25):
Chuck, always an honor. Thank you.
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