February 13, 2025 • 35 mins
Penelope Smith, Author of Animal Talk, Interspecies Telepathic Communication, has been lecturing and teaching Animal Communication all over the world for decades. In this episode she explains her deep feelings and understanding of Animal Consciousness. She more conscious than we are about love and life. This is a delightful conversation that will inspire you to open your own heart and mind to the world of Animal Communication.
explains that all beings are conscious. They have emotions and make choices and decisions; they have intentions and a purpose in life. We can learn so much from communicating with them about what is important to them, what they think of us, and how they can teach us so much about who we really are.
Penelope talks about the cost to humans of having a false dividing line between humans and other animals, how the notion of hierarchy is dangerous because it leads to treating “others” as less than, whether that is different species, different races or genders, it is time to no longer give power to the idea that humans are superior. There is nothing like communicating directly with animals to help us recognize that they are often
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explains that all beings are conscious. They have emotions and make choices and decisions; they have intentions and a purpose in life. We can learn so much from communicating with them about what is important to them, what they think of us, and how they can teach us so much about who we really are.
Penelope talks about the cost to humans of having a false dividing line between humans and other animals, how the notion of hierarchy is dangerous because it leads to treating “others” as less than, whether that is different species, different races or genders, it is time to no longer give power to the idea that humans are superior. There is nothing like communicating directly with animals to help us recognize that they are often
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm
your host, Genie Joseph, and I have a most delightful guest.
I have Penelope Smith, and she is the author of
Animal Talk and Animal Spirit. And these books are like
the Bibles of animal communication. They have endured. Many books
(00:53):
come and go, these books are still on our shelves
and still highlighted, underlined, and worshiped. Well, maybe we're ship's
too strong a word, but revered, revered, reverd. Yeah. So
Penelope Smith has been doing telepathic animal communication since the
nineteen seventies and she's got a lot to say all
about how animals really feel, how they want us to
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understand them, and how we can do better by them. So, Penelope,
thank you so much for being on the show today.
You're very welcome, nice to be here. Thanks you, and
I'm really enjoying being in your class, your online class
on animal communication Advanced Animal Whispering. I think is that
what it's called? I forgot now with Yeah, okay, so
(01:37):
I just have a question for you. I know, sometimes people,
even people who work under the banner of spiritual teachers,
will get into a conversation where they assume that humans
are in some way spiritually superior to other kinds of animals.
And how does it make you feel when you hear
statements like that? And it's unbelievable people still say things
(01:57):
like that in this day and age that they do. Yeah,
I recognize it as really just ignorance. It's an area
that they really have not examined. Now. I've been lecturing
and teaching since the nineteen seventies, and I used to
go to metaphysical bookstores and people were really astounded. They say,
you mean animals evolve? You mean they're spiritual beings? They
(02:19):
were like, this was like foreign to them. Only humans
were considered as evolving. The rest was something else. I mean,
it's a very objective view of the universe, you know,
the rest is objects were the only ones that are conscious,
were the only ones evolving. So when I explained to
them and gave them examples and people started to wake up,
(02:41):
they go, oh, oh, I just you know, I just
accepted the belief that animals were automatons. Yeah, and plants
and mountains and rivers and everything are just they just
carry on. And I'd laugh because you realize that most
of the process is in our body are completely unconscious.
(03:03):
They're they're to us as the individual who is inhabiting
the body. They just carry on. But I love because
they assign that to all the rest of the universe,
but don't realize that really we're not in charge in
the way we think we are, and there's billions, trillions
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of beings in our body that are conscious and carrying
on and cooperating with each other. If there weren't, we
would not have a functioning body and we would not
be able to do what we do as humans. So
I just think it's really accepting the beliefs that have
gone before the you know, the Descartes beliefs of oh,
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animals don't feel anything, you know, you can do anything
you want with them, cut them open, everything's fine because
you know, don't mind that they're screaming. That means nothing.
It's just an automatic response. Will think the same way women,
black people, you name it, any other Jewish people, you
name it. Whatever group was chosen as supposedly lower was
(04:13):
then regarded as not really human, and human means real
to be respected and alive. So then they would just
call them. They would say, well, they're like animals, right,
and you see they're like animals. What does that mean? Well,
I'm very happy to be like an animal because basically
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in my physical form, I am. You know, an animal
means soul, spirit, breath, air, life. There's nothing different between
the spiritual quality of human animals and other animals. So
I just look at it. But I woke a lot
of people up. I mean, people just shifted out of
that old paradigm, and many people who couldn't communicate with animals,
(04:58):
like you know, the people were similar. They go, well,
power animals and spiritual guides, and I go, you know,
it's the same thing. It's you know, you're ignoring your
domesticated animals with the telepathy that you're doing with the
power animals and your other spiritual guides it's all the same.
So why don't you communicate with your animals that are
right there and cultivate their wisdom. And the same thing
(05:22):
happened with them. People went oh my gosh, oh my gosh,
oh my gosh, and they became animal communicators. I mean
that again was in the eighties, and just this constant
shifting of consciousness. So it really still surprises me since
many spiritual leaders have shifted. You take someone like Deepak
(05:43):
Chopra and many others who are very conscious that animals
are not things, that they are spiritual beings, that they evolved,
that they cooperate, that they help each other, that they
help humans. On it goes so that many are awakened,
and then many stick to these old beliefs all humans
are in the image of God and nothing else is.
(06:05):
And I go, these are all interpretations, These are all
translations of texts that were written well after this person
who supposedly said them said them, you know, And on
it goes, and I go, well, just look to the being,
look to the animal. And if you cannot communicate with them,
(06:27):
how can you know what's going on with them? Now,
good observers, people who are actually observe and look, they
see the they see the reality of the spirit in animals.
You know, I mean, I go, I mean, as it
my whole life, I've seen the spiritual quality of animals,
so like never understood it. I said, yes, you just
look at them. It's real obvious, isn't it. Yeah, just
(06:50):
look at them. They're responding and they're alive. They you know,
they're emotional, they make decisions, they don't like something, and
then you know, what's how can you not get that?
You know, you don't know how many consultations I did
early on. I don't think it happens so much now,
But what happened around the world for people who are
pioneering in their own areas that have belief systems that
(07:15):
say animals don't think, don't decide. But howtimes in consultations
people would say to me, he needs a decision. He
decided that himself. You mean he's thinking about his life.
I go, yes, and yes, so they would. You know,
you could feel all the wheels turning and everything shifting
(07:35):
inside of people. But really, what it takes, Genie is
people need to look without the biases, without the prejudices.
So if I look at you and I I just thought, well,
this person couldn't communicate any to anything to me because
she's just an object, you know, so I won't expect
(07:57):
anything from her, and anything that comes out of her
is just this automatic gibberish or some you know. Then
I wouldn't hear a thing you said, right, and I
wouldn't recognize who you are at all. And that's what
they've done to animals, plants, rivers, mountains, you know, all
the that are conscious and alive. And because the consciousness
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looks different, it's expressed differently. This is what throws people.
They're always looking in this human mirror and they go, well,
if they don't express themselves like a human. But I've
watched it, you know, for the last fifty years. I've
watched it change. You know, all the things they used
to think that separated humans from the rest. Tool using
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was a big one, but they found out there's all
kinds of animals who use tools. Okay, Then it was this,
Then it was that it was one right together that divided.
And now these latest holdouts, who are spiritual leaders with
lots of following, they're going, oh, well, this person who
wrote to me, she was so upset about that. He said,
(09:04):
they can't make choices to change their actions. They are
just going to act the way they're programmed. Wow, I go,
they can't make choices, yeah, they go. You know, I mean,
I go, whoa I mean? He said, Oh, but you
know it's my observation and my intuition, and it's what
(09:27):
it's where he is at on the subject. I mean,
you can't see what you won't see, you know, if
you're programmed to that, it's like this. It's hard to
get through all that, sure, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
That's why I tell animal communities you got to be
an open, open area or field has to be very
clear and open for you to actually perceive and then
receive and translate truly without all your stuffs, without all
your ideas.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So these people have not learned in communication with others.
You have to put your ideas aside. That goes the
same for human communication. Until you put your ideas aside,
you don't hear the other person to get the freshness
of their viewpoints. You can't because your ideas are in
(10:20):
the way, and you get just your own feedback. You know,
we humans are so good at this doing the circular
feedback of their own ideas instead of being surprised, you
know why what they get? You know, like with animals,
I just flam that every time I communicate with them,
it's always something different. It's always a surprise. Yeah, refreshing
(10:41):
because just like you get people from other cultures, it's
a very similar thing. You know, you go to travel,
why travel so eye opening? You get other people's viewpoints
that are very different than your own. Right, start to
see life can be lived and interpreted in a whole
lot of different ways, so kind of out of our
(11:03):
own cobwebs these systems and go, whoa. I never looked
at it that way. Can you imagine, as you know,
because you're an animal communicator, but can you imagine when
people start communicating with other species, You're just gonna crap,
You're gonna go, whoa. That's a whole another way to
look at the universe. And then in the species, there's
(11:25):
all these individuals and they're gonna have their own take
on life too, Right, every every dog you talk to
is different, every horse you talk to is different. You
know it. It's and it's wonderful. And I just why
I get on my soapbox on these things because it's
my mission in life. So I mean, this is at
the core of why I'm here, is to open up
(11:47):
people to the spiritual nature of all life, all life. Yes,
you indicate with all life that it's all alive and
it all communicates. And where the ones that have to
wake up. We're the ones that have to become more
conscious in order to do this. See that's the turnaround exactly,
(12:09):
go into this superiority thing. Well, we are the ones
who are evolving.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
We are the ones who we are the only ones
who can change our minds.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
We are the only ones who can self reflect. We
actually self reflect a little bit too much. Yes, we
go round and round in our own thoughts and call
it self reflection. Yeah, so there you go. They Yeah,
got me on my soapbox. Yes, that's why I get
on myself by well, I think the world needs a
(12:40):
little of that soap, you know, because I sometimes when
I talk with the animal researchers are doing wonderful work,
you know, it's all part of the growth. But then
we'll get to the question of animal consciousness and the
door slams shut. So sometimes they'll tell me, well, you know,
I think that too, But I would never say that
ot a public. Don't quote me, you know what I mean,
because it's still so risky for them. It's changed a lot,
(13:01):
you know, I know that that it's still people. You
know that paradigm is so rigid, and how you are
accepted as a researcher and a science scientist is very
rigid still. And at the same time, it's changed so much.
I've watched it fit, you know, over fifty years. I've
watched it change. How people allow now that animals think
(13:24):
they may have decisions, they have remplex communication systems. They
never would say that. They never say that animals had feelings,
since they were looking at it, that it was all automatic.
They would study deer leaping around and playing with each other, okay,
because they couldn't say the word play because that was
two that was too a human, you know, that was
(13:46):
being anthropomorphic. And finally researchers would say, well, there's no
other reason for it. I can't find any other evolutionary, physical,
evolutionary reason why they should be leaping around in this
field with each other and lane and look like they're
tagging then they play. Now, it may have taken them
years to come to that conclusions, you know, but it
(14:09):
has changed so much, and now you get whole groups
of scientifically oriented people who are scientists, who are researchers,
and I had students who are biologists other researchers who
who added it to their understanding this consciousness and then
added their own sealed and their own scientific research, which
(14:32):
is happening now. There's a big movement now to make it,
you know acceptable, the communicate animal communication in a way
that scientists can understand it. And also realizing that I've
been through this for so many years, you know, they
try to apply rigid scientific method and I go, you
(14:52):
can't even do this with human communication. You can't apply
this rigid scientific double blind study because it's very sllexable
and it keeps changing emotions, change decisions, changed thinking. You
can't apply it like you can to you know the
speed of this or that, or you know physical phenomenon.
(15:12):
It's not the same. So these wonderful people who are
doing research, they're developing new models of how can we
test that this is really happening, but without the model
that cuts it all out right? Ah right, yeah, Yeah,
it's it's wild times we live in. I mean, it's
(15:33):
so good to talk to you because you have seen
it from you know, from the time wherein scientists couldn't
utter the word consciousness in public. To well, they'll say, well,
I don't know, but at least they'll say maybe yeah, yeah,
or that there is a consciousness here, you know, and
they'll define it differently. I mean there are many now
spiritual leaders who also have scientific backgrounds, and they meld
(15:57):
it together and they go, this shows consciousness. Yes, the
fact that the animal did this and this and this
shows consciousness. Now before they wouldn't have been open to that.
No we can't go there, we can't go there, But
now they go, well, this shows consciousness. This, they're making
this decision, they're changing their behavior. I mean, I delightedn't
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they see that before? I mean, for me, it's been
very obvious from or before day one. I was going
to say since day one, but before that you know
that that we're all alive and conscious and aware beings.
But again, we express ourselves differently, right, This is the
things that catches people. Yes, it gets so human oriented
(16:44):
that they go, well, the only thing that's valid is
if it's expressed in a human way, right language, or yeah, yeah, yeah,
well we're going to take a very short little break.
When we come back, I want to hear some of
your maybe early story there is where you just had
an absolute experience. This animal has emotions, this animal is
(17:05):
making choices, this animal has consciousness. We'll hear some of
your wonderful stories and just a moment, we'll.
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Welcome back, to the human animal connection where I'm speaking
with Penelope Smith all about animal consciousness. Now, I know
it's so real to you because you've had so many
experiences of communicating with animals and seeing how they make choices,
seeing how they have emotions, they have opinions, they choose play,
for example, just to play. They love, just to love.
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It doesn't have to be anything different from what we experience.
But tell us maybe some of the stories that really
for you open your eyes maybe earlier. I know that
they've been open all along, but just to help people
sort of understand kind of that the steps that you
came to this deep understanding, well, I would say again,
for me, I always understood them this way. I just
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looked at it. You know, I looked at animals that
they just had different costumes. You know, they had a
different body, so it's a different costume, but it's the
same being. You know, we'd communicate to each other, no problem.
They understood me. I understood them. I had a lot
of relationships with wild animals, my domesticated animals. I would
talk to them, they would understand me, they would listen. Okay,
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So some examples from my work as an animal communication
specialist where I was doing a lot of counseling. I
started out with learning that animals responded the same way
to human counseling techniques that helped people through traumas. So
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my first experience was how animals answered respect I mean,
I knew they could communicate, but I went, well, okay,
I've got an animal with a problem, and so why
don't I just apply the same techniques that work with humans.
I'll question them, I'll get them to express their emotions
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and help to release the trauma, and we'll see what happens. Well, now,
there's been a gazillion examples of that. I won't give
my first example because that you can read animal talk
for that. That was pretty dramatic when I first applied counseling.
The changes were enormous. But you see, this shows the consciousness.
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How can animals if they didn't understand, if they weren't conscious,
how could they respond to questions? How could they release
traumas and change? Now, the thing is, as I always
say to people, it's very experiential. It's right there. It's
shown in their behavior. You don't have to go, well,
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how could I know you were communicating? Because it's all silent. Well,
they just changed right in front of you. So I'll
give you an example. This is one of my favorite ones.
I'll never forget this one. This woman called me because
she was concerned about her cat, who no longer was
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affectionate with her. In fact, every time she came in
the door, the cat jumped onto the refrigerator and wouldn't
come down until she went away. Now, this was opposite
to their relationship that they had before. Were affectionate, you know,
the usual loving and playing with each other. And so
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she was very concerned. And so this one was done
in person. In the early days, I did a lot
of communications in person, and so I knew nothing about
the woman. I knew nothing about her life, I knew
nothing about her cat. I went in there, I sat down,
and sure enough was on the brie bridge on the
top of the refrigerator. So I began to communicate with
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the cat and asked her, so, what's the scoop, What's
what's going on? You know, why why do you jump
up to the refrigerator when your person comes in. What's happened?
So she explained to me, she said, my person has
stopped go into her meditation classes. I. I came here
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to help her to evolve spiritually, and I was very
happy when she was going to her meditation classes. I
could see the changes, and in fact, we loved meditating together. Okay,
but then she stopped going, and she's been very anxious
and she doesn't she wants to be close to me,
but I won't be close to her until she does
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what she's meant to do on her spiritual path, because
that's what I'm here for. So because the person I
wasn't listening to her, the cat just said, I'm going
to sit up here on the refrigerator till you get it. Yeah.
So the woman said to me, well, yeah, I stopped going.
I mean, you know, I didn't know anything about this
woman going to meditation classes. She said, yeah, I stopped
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because I started working overtime. And then when the overtime
and we made more money. And then when the overtime ended,
my boss said, well, we have an opportunity if you
want to keep on with lots of work. She continued,
because she wanted to make more money, but that meant
no more time for meditation classes. So she was working
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making a lot of money, and her cat noticed this. Yeah,
and noticed that she also was getting less aware, less evolved.
She was going down the tubes. Okay, yeat, And so
the woman said, yeah, I just got into the money thing,
you know, I just really got to be a really
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wow thing for me to have more money. And I
realized that, you know, I was definitely getting more anxious
and my life was getting more frazzled. And I said, well,
if you want your cat to respond well to you,
then you're going to have to go back to your
magination classes and take your you know, your money motivation
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out the door, you know. And she said, I didn't
quite say it like that, but you know that was
kind of the cat's a viewpoint, right And she said, yeah,
I really realize that. And you know, I knew my
cat understood me. I knew my cat was taking care
of me. I didn't realize that she had, as you said,
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come here as a guide for me. And now it
makes total sense. She said, yeah, I will go back,
And as soon as she said that, the cat jumped
down to the from the refrigerator came over to me first,
thank ate heard on my lap, and then went over
to the person and you know, there it is now
it is you know, I mean they demonstrate their consciousness.
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Of course, the person went back to her medicician classes,
they had a happy relationship again, and in how could
you explain this otherwise than that the count stood that
the cat has a higher consciousness. In fact, in this way,
was more spiritually aware than her person. She knew what
was important in life, right, you know what was important,
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and she was taking care of her person. You see
these as things that these spiritual leaders and other people
don't have any concept of. And I can demonstrate it
over and over and over again. How animals show this consciousness?
I have a question for you. Do do some people
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say that people and animals can reincarnate back and forth?
What has been your experience? Have some of the animals
that you've met been people before and then chosen to
be an able maybe tell us a and vice versa.
You know, I've that experience is in other animal forms
that I totally enjoyed. Then they helped me in my
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life because I also remembered my past lives unlike most humans.
Plus part of my counseling training was a past live regression.
Oh you know it was. It raised my consciousness on
the whole thing. But what I sound is that beings
go from life to life according to their journeys, according
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to what will best evolve them. What pieces of the
puzzle are they missing to come back to oneness and wholeness,
to be in union with the total divine which is
in and around all of us. So what is missing?
So you'll take some humans and will just say, you
know what, I need to learn how to really love it,
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to love without any object, without any reason. I'm going
to be a dog. Yeah, And so they'll spend a
lifetime as a dog and they'll really steel it in
their whole being. They'll go, I get what pure devotion is.
I get what pure union is. I get it on
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a whole another level. So then they go back. Then
the next lifetime they go back to being human and
apply it. You've learned. They're more generous, they're more loving.
They may work with animals or them, they work with
other humans, helping to care for them, helping homeless people, whatever.
But the point is we go according to what is
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our evolution? What is helpful? See it's not this again
there's this old style thinking that okay, since animals are lower, well,
if you're bad, this lifetime you've done evil things, You're
gonna be a microbe or you're going to be a
frog or whatever what's being. I mean, that makes me
sick to even think of that, because microbes and frogs
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have incredible consciousness, incredible awareness about who they are in
the web of life, and also their awareness of themselves
as spiritual beings living a different experience, living as a frog,
living as a micro living as a human, which many
humans do not have. You see the mind thing of humans.
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While we have definitely incredible powers of creativity with our minds,
we also have a trap here. The trap is to
go into this kind of analysis where we do separate
ourselves from the rest of the world and so except
we're superior, instead of seeing that it's all one interconnected life. Yeah. Well,
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I'm going to ask you a big question, which is,
you know, in general, with all your years of communicating
with animals and plants and rivers and trees and birds
and everybody, what is your sense of how they see
us as humans? How do they see us? They're very benevolent,
you know what I have, what I would say, and
what I would say. The biggest lesson that I learned
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from communicating with animals over all kinds of species, including
what people consider inanimate you know, which is there's nothing
that is inanimate. It's all alive. But anyway, all this experience,
you know what I found incredible compassion. They understand that
humans have it very hard. That humans are pretty unconscious
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for the most part, you know, all humans and obviously
the many humans that are very conscious and do incredible,
beautiful things on this earth. But animals look at humans
and they go a lot of humans and they go, wow,
you've got to be stay away from them, because boy,
they are so unconscious. They'll kill you, or they'll kill
each other, or they'll kill themselves, you know. So there's
(29:57):
a caution, say among whit animals are obviously a good caution.
There's also a compassion. So when you do connect, when
you can reach out, or even when you need help.
How many stories are there documented stories of animals who
supposedly eat it, can eat and hurt humans, take in
(30:21):
human babies who are lost, you know, and these are
documented stories, I mean, or take care of them, or
lead people to them, to save a child who's injured.
I mean, there's all kinds of again, documented stories. So
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I just go animals have again a reasonable fear. You
got to be afraid of what can hurt you. And
they also have tremendous compassion. Whether they're domesticated animals who
know us so closely and have even more compassion. They go,
oh my gosh, humans stop, they get so lost, you know,
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just like that cat sitting on the refrigerator going, oh
my god. She's up in her head, in her anxiety,
she's all in her fear. She doesn't ever come into
the present moment like she did when she was meditating. Yes,
you know, I mean, they said, and they look at
us and they go wow wow. And so there's trementous
convention because they have trendous love. Well, you know, so
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they go, wow, I'm gonna help I'm gonna help my person.
I'm gonna help her to wake up. But I'm also
gonna help her through the challenge of being human. I mean,
the human condition is a very challenging condition. It's full
of contradictions. I would say that animals don't generally have.
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Of course, domesticated animals take on a lot of things
that are part of the human condition, but right most
animals do not have all these contradictions It's pretty straightforward.
You know. I'm on my mission. I do this part
in the web of life. I also have my individual
mission as a spirit to grow in a certain way
in this lifetime. So I'm going to attract certain experiences.
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You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna relate to humans while
my other other beings of my kind don't want to
relate to humans, I do, you know. And so you
get animals, wild animals who are emissaries, you know, who
just reach out. They come up on your doorstep, you know,
and other animals are going, why are you doing that? Right?
Whoa you know? So tremendous understanding among animals about it
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about humans. They get it. They look at you, I
mean look back at them. They're assessing you. You know,
that rat you think is a lower being? You've got
you completely your number out there. Talk about you know,
any if you want to talk about who's closest to humans.
Look at these guys who assess all the time. They
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have to live close to humans, so they have to
assess mental things. Yes, you know, the raccoons, the rats,
the microbes who are constantly trying to survive and assess
what humans are doing. I mean, this is quite an
amazing thing. So you look at them and you see
you see their consciousness, You see their awareness, you see
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how they're making decisions. Just look at them. Yeah, I
mean wow. And that they choose to relate to us,
to me as always a privilege wild animals. See, it's
always this incredible privilege because most humans are dangerous. Yes, yes, indeed,
so that they relate to us, that they look at
you and the animals in my area they look at
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me and they go, oh, it's her, you know her.
I don't I don't have to worry. You know. That's
so nice. Well, before we leave, maybe if you could
just be for people who are just starting on their
journey of opening their hearts and their minds to animal communication.
What's one piece of advice for the beginner's mind? Said
the beginner, Yeah, is just spend time out in nature.
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Spend time just being quiet, out in nature and observing.
Open yourself up to observation obviously nature. Being out in nature,
we get calmer. All these studies show that, you know,
just walk on a path wherever you are, whether you're
in a city or whatever. Walk on a path where
there are trees, where there are birds. Sit and just
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be aware. Practice just coming back down to earth, out
of the head, back down to earth and look around you,
and your awareness will start to open to the consciousness
of other beings, be open to the idea that they're conscious,
living beings, and see what happens. Great beautifulness, beautiful a
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life well. Penelope Smith, author of Animal Talk and Animal Spirit,
It's been just so wonderful to have you on the show.
I know we're just skimming the surface of so much
we could talk about for many, many episodes, but thank
you for being here, and thank you for great work
that you've done and that you are doing and that
you will do. You've done so much to open the
path for others.
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Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm
your host, Genie Joseph, and I have a most delightful guest.
I have Penelope Smith, and she is the author of
Animal Talk and Animal Spirit. And these books are like
the Bibles of animal communication. They have endured. Many books
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come and go, these books are still on our shelves
and still highlighted, underlined, and worshiped. Well, maybe we're ship's
too strong a word, but revered, revered, reverd. Yeah. So
Penelope Smith has been doing telepathic animal communication since the
nineteen seventies and she's got a lot to say all
about how animals really feel, how they want us to
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understand them, and how we can do better by them. So, Penelope,
thank you so much for being on the show today.
You're very welcome, nice to be here. Thanks you, and
I'm really enjoying being in your class, your online class
on animal communication Advanced Animal Whispering. I think is that
what it's called? I forgot now with Yeah, okay, so
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I just have a question for you. I know, sometimes people,
even people who work under the banner of spiritual teachers,
will get into a conversation where they assume that humans
are in some way spiritually superior to other kinds of animals.
And how does it make you feel when you hear
statements like that? And it's unbelievable people still say things
(01:57):
like that in this day and age that they do. Yeah,
I recognize it as really just ignorance. It's an area
that they really have not examined. Now. I've been lecturing
and teaching since the nineteen seventies, and I used to
go to metaphysical bookstores and people were really astounded. They say,
you mean animals evolve? You mean they're spiritual beings? They
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were like, this was like foreign to them. Only humans
were considered as evolving. The rest was something else. I mean,
it's a very objective view of the universe, you know,
the rest is objects were the only ones that are conscious,
were the only ones evolving. So when I explained to
them and gave them examples and people started to wake up,
(02:41):
they go, oh, oh, I just you know, I just
accepted the belief that animals were automatons. Yeah, and plants
and mountains and rivers and everything are just they just
carry on. And I'd laugh because you realize that most
of the process is in our body are completely unconscious.
(03:03):
They're they're to us as the individual who is inhabiting
the body. They just carry on. But I love because
they assign that to all the rest of the universe,
but don't realize that really we're not in charge in
the way we think we are, and there's billions, trillions
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of beings in our body that are conscious and carrying
on and cooperating with each other. If there weren't, we
would not have a functioning body and we would not
be able to do what we do as humans. So
I just think it's really accepting the beliefs that have
gone before the you know, the Descartes beliefs of oh,
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animals don't feel anything, you know, you can do anything
you want with them, cut them open, everything's fine because
you know, don't mind that they're screaming. That means nothing.
It's just an automatic response. Will think the same way women,
black people, you name it, any other Jewish people, you
name it. Whatever group was chosen as supposedly lower was
(04:13):
then regarded as not really human, and human means real
to be respected and alive. So then they would just
call them. They would say, well, they're like animals, right,
and you see they're like animals. What does that mean? Well,
I'm very happy to be like an animal because basically
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in my physical form, I am. You know, an animal
means soul, spirit, breath, air, life. There's nothing different between
the spiritual quality of human animals and other animals. So
I just look at it. But I woke a lot
of people up. I mean, people just shifted out of
that old paradigm, and many people who couldn't communicate with animals,
(04:58):
like you know, the people were similar. They go, well,
power animals and spiritual guides, and I go, you know,
it's the same thing. It's you know, you're ignoring your
domesticated animals with the telepathy that you're doing with the
power animals and your other spiritual guides it's all the same.
So why don't you communicate with your animals that are
right there and cultivate their wisdom. And the same thing
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happened with them. People went oh my gosh, oh my gosh,
oh my gosh, and they became animal communicators. I mean
that again was in the eighties, and just this constant
shifting of consciousness. So it really still surprises me since
many spiritual leaders have shifted. You take someone like Deepak
(05:43):
Chopra and many others who are very conscious that animals
are not things, that they are spiritual beings, that they evolved,
that they cooperate, that they help each other, that they
help humans. On it goes so that many are awakened,
and then many stick to these old beliefs all humans
are in the image of God and nothing else is.
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And I go, these are all interpretations, These are all
translations of texts that were written well after this person
who supposedly said them said them, you know, And on
it goes, and I go, well, just look to the being,
look to the animal. And if you cannot communicate with them,
(06:27):
how can you know what's going on with them? Now,
good observers, people who are actually observe and look, they
see the they see the reality of the spirit in animals.
You know, I mean, I go, I mean, as it
my whole life, I've seen the spiritual quality of animals,
so like never understood it. I said, yes, you just
look at them. It's real obvious, isn't it. Yeah, just
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look at them. They're responding and they're alive. They you know,
they're emotional, they make decisions, they don't like something, and
then you know, what's how can you not get that?
You know, you don't know how many consultations I did
early on. I don't think it happens so much now,
But what happened around the world for people who are
pioneering in their own areas that have belief systems that
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say animals don't think, don't decide. But howtimes in consultations
people would say to me, he needs a decision. He
decided that himself. You mean he's thinking about his life.
I go, yes, and yes, so they would. You know,
you could feel all the wheels turning and everything shifting
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inside of people. But really, what it takes, Genie is
people need to look without the biases, without the prejudices.
So if I look at you and I I just thought, well,
this person couldn't communicate any to anything to me because
she's just an object, you know, so I won't expect
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anything from her, and anything that comes out of her
is just this automatic gibberish or some you know. Then
I wouldn't hear a thing you said, right, and I
wouldn't recognize who you are at all. And that's what
they've done to animals, plants, rivers, mountains, you know, all
the that are conscious and alive. And because the consciousness
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looks different, it's expressed differently. This is what throws people.
They're always looking in this human mirror and they go, well,
if they don't express themselves like a human. But I've
watched it, you know, for the last fifty years. I've
watched it change. You know, all the things they used
to think that separated humans from the rest. Tool using
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was a big one, but they found out there's all
kinds of animals who use tools. Okay, Then it was this,
Then it was that it was one right together that divided.
And now these latest holdouts, who are spiritual leaders with
lots of following, they're going, oh, well, this person who
wrote to me, she was so upset about that. He said,
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they can't make choices to change their actions. They are
just going to act the way they're programmed. Wow, I go,
they can't make choices, yeah, they go. You know, I mean,
I go, whoa I mean? He said, Oh, but you
know it's my observation and my intuition, and it's what
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it's where he is at on the subject. I mean,
you can't see what you won't see, you know, if
you're programmed to that, it's like this. It's hard to
get through all that, sure, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
That's why I tell animal communities you got to be
an open, open area or field has to be very
clear and open for you to actually perceive and then
receive and translate truly without all your stuffs, without all
your ideas.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So these people have not learned in communication with others.
You have to put your ideas aside. That goes the
same for human communication. Until you put your ideas aside,
you don't hear the other person to get the freshness
of their viewpoints. You can't because your ideas are in
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the way, and you get just your own feedback. You know,
we humans are so good at this doing the circular
feedback of their own ideas instead of being surprised, you
know why what they get? You know, like with animals,
I just flam that every time I communicate with them,
it's always something different. It's always a surprise. Yeah, refreshing
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because just like you get people from other cultures, it's
a very similar thing. You know, you go to travel,
why travel so eye opening? You get other people's viewpoints
that are very different than your own. Right, start to
see life can be lived and interpreted in a whole
lot of different ways, so kind of out of our
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own cobwebs these systems and go, whoa. I never looked
at it that way. Can you imagine, as you know,
because you're an animal communicator, but can you imagine when
people start communicating with other species, You're just gonna crap,
You're gonna go, whoa. That's a whole another way to
look at the universe. And then in the species, there's
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all these individuals and they're gonna have their own take
on life too, Right, every every dog you talk to
is different, every horse you talk to is different. You
know it. It's and it's wonderful. And I just why
I get on my soapbox on these things because it's
my mission in life. So I mean, this is at
the core of why I'm here, is to open up
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people to the spiritual nature of all life, all life. Yes,
you indicate with all life that it's all alive and
it all communicates. And where the ones that have to
wake up. We're the ones that have to become more
conscious in order to do this. See that's the turnaround exactly,
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go into this superiority thing. Well, we are the ones
who are evolving.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
We are the ones who we are the only ones
who can change our minds.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
We are the only ones who can self reflect. We
actually self reflect a little bit too much. Yes, we
go round and round in our own thoughts and call
it self reflection. Yeah, so there you go. They Yeah,
got me on my soapbox. Yes, that's why I get
on myself by well, I think the world needs a
(12:40):
little of that soap, you know, because I sometimes when
I talk with the animal researchers are doing wonderful work,
you know, it's all part of the growth. But then
we'll get to the question of animal consciousness and the
door slams shut. So sometimes they'll tell me, well, you know,
I think that too, But I would never say that
ot a public. Don't quote me, you know what I mean,
because it's still so risky for them. It's changed a lot,
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you know, I know that that it's still people. You
know that paradigm is so rigid, and how you are
accepted as a researcher and a science scientist is very
rigid still. And at the same time, it's changed so much.
I've watched it fit, you know, over fifty years. I've
watched it change. How people allow now that animals think
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they may have decisions, they have remplex communication systems. They
never would say that. They never say that animals had feelings,
since they were looking at it, that it was all automatic.
They would study deer leaping around and playing with each other, okay,
because they couldn't say the word play because that was
two that was too a human, you know, that was
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being anthropomorphic. And finally researchers would say, well, there's no
other reason for it. I can't find any other evolutionary, physical,
evolutionary reason why they should be leaping around in this
field with each other and lane and look like they're
tagging then they play. Now, it may have taken them
years to come to that conclusions, you know, but it
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has changed so much, and now you get whole groups
of scientifically oriented people who are scientists, who are researchers,
and I had students who are biologists other researchers who
who added it to their understanding this consciousness and then
added their own sealed and their own scientific research, which
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is happening now. There's a big movement now to make it,
you know acceptable, the communicate animal communication in a way
that scientists can understand it. And also realizing that I've
been through this for so many years, you know, they
try to apply rigid scientific method and I go, you
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can't even do this with human communication. You can't apply
this rigid scientific double blind study because it's very sllexable
and it keeps changing emotions, change decisions, changed thinking. You
can't apply it like you can to you know the
speed of this or that, or you know physical phenomenon.
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It's not the same. So these wonderful people who are
doing research, they're developing new models of how can we
test that this is really happening, but without the model
that cuts it all out right? Ah right, yeah, Yeah,
it's it's wild times we live in. I mean, it's
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so good to talk to you because you have seen
it from you know, from the time wherein scientists couldn't
utter the word consciousness in public. To well, they'll say, well,
I don't know, but at least they'll say maybe yeah, yeah,
or that there is a consciousness here, you know, and
they'll define it differently. I mean there are many now
spiritual leaders who also have scientific backgrounds, and they meld
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it together and they go, this shows consciousness. Yes, the
fact that the animal did this and this and this
shows consciousness. Now before they wouldn't have been open to that.
No we can't go there, we can't go there, But
now they go, well, this shows consciousness. This, they're making
this decision, they're changing their behavior. I mean, I delightedn't
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they see that before? I mean, for me, it's been
very obvious from or before day one. I was going
to say since day one, but before that you know
that that we're all alive and conscious and aware beings.
But again, we express ourselves differently, right, This is the
things that catches people. Yes, it gets so human oriented
(16:44):
that they go, well, the only thing that's valid is
if it's expressed in a human way, right language, or yeah, yeah, yeah,
well we're going to take a very short little break.
When we come back, I want to hear some of
your maybe early story there is where you just had
an absolute experience. This animal has emotions, this animal is
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making choices, this animal has consciousness. We'll hear some of
your wonderful stories and just a moment, we'll.
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Welcome back, to the human animal connection where I'm speaking
with Penelope Smith all about animal consciousness. Now, I know
it's so real to you because you've had so many
experiences of communicating with animals and seeing how they make choices,
seeing how they have emotions, they have opinions, they choose play,
for example, just to play. They love, just to love.
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It doesn't have to be anything different from what we experience.
But tell us maybe some of the stories that really
for you open your eyes maybe earlier. I know that
they've been open all along, but just to help people
sort of understand kind of that the steps that you
came to this deep understanding, well, I would say again,
for me, I always understood them this way. I just
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looked at it. You know, I looked at animals that
they just had different costumes. You know, they had a
different body, so it's a different costume, but it's the
same being. You know, we'd communicate to each other, no problem.
They understood me. I understood them. I had a lot
of relationships with wild animals, my domesticated animals. I would
talk to them, they would understand me, they would listen. Okay,
(19:33):
So some examples from my work as an animal communication
specialist where I was doing a lot of counseling. I
started out with learning that animals responded the same way
to human counseling techniques that helped people through traumas. So
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my first experience was how animals answered respect I mean,
I knew they could communicate, but I went, well, okay,
I've got an animal with a problem, and so why
don't I just apply the same techniques that work with humans.
I'll question them, I'll get them to express their emotions
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and help to release the trauma, and we'll see what happens. Well, now,
there's been a gazillion examples of that. I won't give
my first example because that you can read animal talk
for that. That was pretty dramatic when I first applied counseling.
The changes were enormous. But you see, this shows the consciousness.
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How can animals if they didn't understand, if they weren't conscious,
how could they respond to questions? How could they release
traumas and change? Now, the thing is, as I always
say to people, it's very experiential. It's right there. It's
shown in their behavior. You don't have to go, well,
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how could I know you were communicating? Because it's all silent. Well,
they just changed right in front of you. So I'll
give you an example. This is one of my favorite ones.
I'll never forget this one. This woman called me because
she was concerned about her cat, who no longer was
(21:21):
affectionate with her. In fact, every time she came in
the door, the cat jumped onto the refrigerator and wouldn't
come down until she went away. Now, this was opposite
to their relationship that they had before. Were affectionate, you know,
the usual loving and playing with each other. And so
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she was very concerned. And so this one was done
in person. In the early days, I did a lot
of communications in person, and so I knew nothing about
the woman. I knew nothing about her life, I knew
nothing about her cat. I went in there, I sat down,
and sure enough was on the brie bridge on the
top of the refrigerator. So I began to communicate with
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the cat and asked her, so, what's the scoop, What's
what's going on? You know, why why do you jump
up to the refrigerator when your person comes in. What's happened?
So she explained to me, she said, my person has
stopped go into her meditation classes. I. I came here
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to help her to evolve spiritually, and I was very
happy when she was going to her meditation classes. I
could see the changes, and in fact, we loved meditating together. Okay,
but then she stopped going, and she's been very anxious
and she doesn't she wants to be close to me,
but I won't be close to her until she does
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what she's meant to do on her spiritual path, because
that's what I'm here for. So because the person I
wasn't listening to her, the cat just said, I'm going
to sit up here on the refrigerator till you get it. Yeah.
So the woman said to me, well, yeah, I stopped going.
I mean, you know, I didn't know anything about this
woman going to meditation classes. She said, yeah, I stopped
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because I started working overtime. And then when the overtime
and we made more money. And then when the overtime ended,
my boss said, well, we have an opportunity if you
want to keep on with lots of work. She continued,
because she wanted to make more money, but that meant
no more time for meditation classes. So she was working
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making a lot of money, and her cat noticed this. Yeah,
and noticed that she also was getting less aware, less evolved.
She was going down the tubes. Okay, yeat, And so
the woman said, yeah, I just got into the money thing,
you know, I just really got to be a really
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wow thing for me to have more money. And I
realized that, you know, I was definitely getting more anxious
and my life was getting more frazzled. And I said, well,
if you want your cat to respond well to you,
then you're going to have to go back to your
magination classes and take your you know, your money motivation
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out the door, you know. And she said, I didn't
quite say it like that, but you know that was
kind of the cat's a viewpoint, right And she said, yeah,
I really realize that. And you know, I knew my
cat understood me. I knew my cat was taking care
of me. I didn't realize that she had, as you said,
(24:38):
come here as a guide for me. And now it
makes total sense. She said, yeah, I will go back,
And as soon as she said that, the cat jumped
down to the from the refrigerator came over to me first,
thank ate heard on my lap, and then went over
to the person and you know, there it is now
it is you know, I mean they demonstrate their consciousness.
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Of course, the person went back to her medicician classes,
they had a happy relationship again, and in how could
you explain this otherwise than that the count stood that
the cat has a higher consciousness. In fact, in this way,
was more spiritually aware than her person. She knew what
was important in life, right, you know what was important,
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and she was taking care of her person. You see
these as things that these spiritual leaders and other people
don't have any concept of. And I can demonstrate it
over and over and over again. How animals show this consciousness?
I have a question for you. Do do some people
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say that people and animals can reincarnate back and forth?
What has been your experience? Have some of the animals
that you've met been people before and then chosen to
be an able maybe tell us a and vice versa.
You know, I've that experience is in other animal forms
that I totally enjoyed. Then they helped me in my
(26:07):
life because I also remembered my past lives unlike most humans.
Plus part of my counseling training was a past live regression.
Oh you know it was. It raised my consciousness on
the whole thing. But what I sound is that beings
go from life to life according to their journeys, according
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to what will best evolve them. What pieces of the
puzzle are they missing to come back to oneness and wholeness,
to be in union with the total divine which is
in and around all of us. So what is missing?
So you'll take some humans and will just say, you
know what, I need to learn how to really love it,
(26:50):
to love without any object, without any reason. I'm going
to be a dog. Yeah, And so they'll spend a
lifetime as a dog and they'll really steel it in
their whole being. They'll go, I get what pure devotion is.
I get what pure union is. I get it on
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a whole another level. So then they go back. Then
the next lifetime they go back to being human and
apply it. You've learned. They're more generous, they're more loving.
They may work with animals or them, they work with
other humans, helping to care for them, helping homeless people, whatever.
But the point is we go according to what is
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our evolution? What is helpful? See it's not this again
there's this old style thinking that okay, since animals are lower, well,
if you're bad, this lifetime you've done evil things, You're
gonna be a microbe or you're going to be a
frog or whatever what's being. I mean, that makes me
sick to even think of that, because microbes and frogs
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have incredible consciousness, incredible awareness about who they are in
the web of life, and also their awareness of themselves
as spiritual beings living a different experience, living as a frog,
living as a micro living as a human, which many
humans do not have. You see the mind thing of humans.
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While we have definitely incredible powers of creativity with our minds,
we also have a trap here. The trap is to
go into this kind of analysis where we do separate
ourselves from the rest of the world and so except
we're superior, instead of seeing that it's all one interconnected life. Yeah. Well,
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I'm going to ask you a big question, which is,
you know, in general, with all your years of communicating
with animals and plants and rivers and trees and birds
and everybody, what is your sense of how they see
us as humans? How do they see us? They're very benevolent,
you know what I have, what I would say, and
what I would say. The biggest lesson that I learned
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from communicating with animals over all kinds of species, including
what people consider inanimate you know, which is there's nothing
that is inanimate. It's all alive. But anyway, all this experience,
you know what I found incredible compassion. They understand that
humans have it very hard. That humans are pretty unconscious
(29:33):
for the most part, you know, all humans and obviously
the many humans that are very conscious and do incredible,
beautiful things on this earth. But animals look at humans
and they go a lot of humans and they go, wow,
you've got to be stay away from them, because boy,
they are so unconscious. They'll kill you, or they'll kill
each other, or they'll kill themselves, you know. So there's
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a caution, say among whit animals are obviously a good caution.
There's also a compassion. So when you do connect, when
you can reach out, or even when you need help.
How many stories are there documented stories of animals who
supposedly eat it, can eat and hurt humans, take in
(30:21):
human babies who are lost, you know, and these are
documented stories, I mean, or take care of them, or
lead people to them, to save a child who's injured.
I mean, there's all kinds of again, documented stories. So
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I just go animals have again a reasonable fear. You
got to be afraid of what can hurt you. And
they also have tremendous compassion. Whether they're domesticated animals who
know us so closely and have even more compassion. They go,
oh my gosh, humans stop, they get so lost, you know,
(31:01):
just like that cat sitting on the refrigerator going, oh
my god. She's up in her head, in her anxiety,
she's all in her fear. She doesn't ever come into
the present moment like she did when she was meditating. Yes,
you know, I mean, they said, and they look at
us and they go wow wow. And so there's trementous
convention because they have trendous love. Well, you know, so
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they go, wow, I'm gonna help I'm gonna help my person.
I'm gonna help her to wake up. But I'm also
gonna help her through the challenge of being human. I mean,
the human condition is a very challenging condition. It's full
of contradictions. I would say that animals don't generally have.
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Of course, domesticated animals take on a lot of things
that are part of the human condition, but right most
animals do not have all these contradictions It's pretty straightforward.
You know. I'm on my mission. I do this part
in the web of life. I also have my individual
mission as a spirit to grow in a certain way
in this lifetime. So I'm going to attract certain experiences.
(32:06):
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna relate to humans while
my other other beings of my kind don't want to
relate to humans, I do, you know. And so you
get animals, wild animals who are emissaries, you know, who
just reach out. They come up on your doorstep, you know,
and other animals are going, why are you doing that? Right?
Whoa you know? So tremendous understanding among animals about it
(32:32):
about humans. They get it. They look at you, I
mean look back at them. They're assessing you. You know,
that rat you think is a lower being? You've got
you completely your number out there. Talk about you know,
any if you want to talk about who's closest to humans.
Look at these guys who assess all the time. They
(32:52):
have to live close to humans, so they have to
assess mental things. Yes, you know, the raccoons, the rats,
the microbes who are constantly trying to survive and assess
what humans are doing. I mean, this is quite an
amazing thing. So you look at them and you see
you see their consciousness, You see their awareness, you see
(33:15):
how they're making decisions. Just look at them. Yeah, I
mean wow. And that they choose to relate to us,
to me as always a privilege wild animals. See, it's
always this incredible privilege because most humans are dangerous. Yes, yes, indeed,
so that they relate to us, that they look at
you and the animals in my area they look at
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me and they go, oh, it's her, you know her.
I don't I don't have to worry. You know. That's
so nice. Well, before we leave, maybe if you could
just be for people who are just starting on their
journey of opening their hearts and their minds to animal communication.
What's one piece of advice for the beginner's mind? Said
the beginner, Yeah, is just spend time out in nature.
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Spend time just being quiet, out in nature and observing.
Open yourself up to observation obviously nature. Being out in nature,
we get calmer. All these studies show that, you know,
just walk on a path wherever you are, whether you're
in a city or whatever. Walk on a path where
there are trees, where there are birds. Sit and just
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be aware. Practice just coming back down to earth, out
of the head, back down to earth and look around you,
and your awareness will start to open to the consciousness
of other beings, be open to the idea that they're conscious,
living beings, and see what happens. Great beautifulness, beautiful a
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life well. Penelope Smith, author of Animal Talk and Animal Spirit,
It's been just so wonderful to have you on the show.
I know we're just skimming the surface of so much
we could talk about for many, many episodes, but thank
you for being here, and thank you for great work
that you've done and that you are doing and that
you will do. You've done so much to open the
path for others.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Gee, all right, we'll see you again. I'm Jeanie Joseph
and you've been listening to The Human Animal Connection. See
you next time.
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