September 3, 2025 • 45 mins
Ryan sits down with entrepreneur and charter captain Anthony Williams for a wide-ranging conversation that runs from marlin on blue water to bulls on steep ridges. Anthony shares how growing up in rural North Carolina shaped his outdoor grit, why marlin fishing feels like hunting, and how a brutal first day in elk country rewired his training. He breaks down a simple but savage prep plan (hill repeats on a bike + max-incline treadmill “climb the mountain”), talks bow vs. rifle strategy when learning a new place, and opens up about access, public lands, and representation in hunting.
We also preview Anthony’s stacked season: Roosevelt elk in Oregon, Alaska fishing + Yukon moose off a gravel bar, New Mexico elk (Unit 5B), Ohio whitetail redemption, and a Marlin bender in Mag Bay.
Anthony’s closing mantra is classic: “Get your ass up and do it.” Don’t wait.
Key Takeaways:
Train like the mountain: Crush hills on a bike, coast to let lactate build, then repeat; add max-incline treadmill “mountain climbs” for real-deal elevation legs.
Bow vs. rifle with intent: Use a rifle to learn brand-new country; return with a bow once you understand terrain, animals, and access.
Public lands matter: Access is opportunity, especially for newcomers and underrepresented hunters. Stay vigilant about policies that threaten it.
Alaska is calling: OTC opportunities won’t last forever, if it’s on your list and you have the skills, go sooner than later.
Bias toward action: Life’s short... stop waiting for “perfect timing.” Plan, prepare, and go.
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You're listening to the Hunt Stealth Podcast with Ryan
Uffins, the podcast where we dive head first into the wild,
whether you're an aspiring hunter or an adventurer seeking
the untamed. Together, we'll explore the
strategies and stories that leadto success in the great
outdoors. Welcome to another episode of
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the Hunt Stealth Podcast. Excited to have Anthony Williams
on the show with us today. Anthony, thanks for joining me,
brother. Man, I'm excited to be here.
Man, it's been a long time coming.
It has been You've been weathering the hurricane down
there in North Carolina. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't too bad.
It was offshore. We had a bunch of big waves and
stuff like that and a lot of water rushing into places when
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the tide came in. But other than that, it's it's
we feather weather pretty good. Well, I'm, I'm glad you guys are
making it out. OK.
It always, it always can get a little bit sketchy when though
you see the hurricane starting to come in.
They can either get really bad or it can get, you know, not too
bad. So glad fortunate this time.
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It's not not too shabby. But anyway, Anthony, for people
that don't know you, why don't you tell them a little bit about
yourself and and your love for the outdoors?
Yeah, man, I am. I'm an entrepreneur, you know,
we made my business partner hopped into the gymnastics
business. So we own a couple gyms for for
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kids. And as it got more successful, I
had more time to a lot to the outdoors, right.
So, but I've been in the outdoors my entire life.
Like as far as mine, as far as being able to hunt, my hunting
in the beginning was literally aBB gun going in the woods with
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my brothers and just shooting anything that we could, you
know, he just going out there thinking we're hunting, taking
food and going off on excursionsor whatever.
But it wasn't real like hunting.It was just kids going in the
outdoors. Dude I can relate man.
Yeah. And it's, so it, it and it's,
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it's weird to see now where I amand think back on how I got into
the outdoors. We just, I 'cause I grew up, I
grew up in Warren County, North Carolina, and it, we didn't have
indoor plumbing growing up, right?
So we just, we were the outdoors.
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So when people talk about a, youknow, crapping in the woods, I'm
like, you know what? You do about that.
Oh yeah, carrying a carrying, I guess we call a shit pot in the
morning, like when it's, it's inthe shit pots, not in the, in
the portion of the house that's that has the heater.
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So when you go out there to use it, it like, and you have to
dump it, it's, it's frozen. So then you have to take the
damn shit pot out to the outhouse and you have to dump it
right. And you just, you hate it to be
the one that had to do it because it's like, ah, yeah.
But anyway, yeah. So I'm kind of used to it as far
as the outdoors. The outdoors, yeah.
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Yeah, just essentially. And then and then from there
just try to start doing as many things as I could.
That's exciting. So so right now in North
Carolina, you do fishing tours, correct?
Yeah, Yeah. So I'm a charter captain here.
Like I like I said, I'm still onprimary entrepreneur out of out
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of Raleigh, but I do, yeah, I take people on on fishing trips,
big game fishing trips. I don't do Ensure.
I leave that to the guys that are that are here.
I fish ensure for myself. But as far as taking people, I
want to take people out for the big shit.
Yeah, What's been, what's been some of like the funniest fish
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that you've been able to catch or take people out to catch when
you say like the big game, the big fish.
Oh, it's definitely going to be Marlin fishing now.
Hands down Marlin fishing. Yeah.
Marlin fishing is like you're you're hunting, right?
You're hunting like you are literally trying to figure out
how to get that one fish, that type of fish, right.
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And it's like, it's not like, you know, there's bycatch, but
but you you aren't even trying to catch the bycatch.
Like you're going after you're putting big bait for big fish
and it's all or nothing. So it could be a waste, you
know, but you just, that's what you're going after.
Well, it was like it's opening weekend here in Utah and so like
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we've been out scouting and we'dseen plenty of bucks that we
were going to go chase down and then we knew the exact areas we
were going to be and then we went out for the weekend.
And not one, not $1.00 we did between we were between 8010
thousand feet elevation. We did 10 miles worth of hiking
it just just in one day. And I'm going like some like
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somebody, somebody was checking Instagram.
Everybody's like, hey, it's opening weekend.
We're coming. The Bucks are like, all right,
boys, let's. Bounce.
We're we're out. We are out.
But but that's fun. Oh, no, I get it.
So what what is your favorite type of hunting?
I mean, you're you're a charter captain, so obviously fishing,
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you know, something that that you clearly have a passion for,
got the entrepreneurial spirit to build that out.
But but what type of big game isyour favorite to chase?
Oh, elk, elk, elk, elk. I meant the same reason for
anybody else. I, I, I love hunting elk.
I love, I love Turkey hunting and they are so similar.
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They are so similar. And I know you've heard people
talk about that, but that, that responding to a call.
I like elk during the rut. It's, it's just something about
it, man. Once I got exposed to that, it
was, I didn't ever want to look back.
When When was the first time youwent elk hunting?
How long ago was? That so that it wasn't very long
ago, that would have been about 10 years ago.
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And my buddy Chad, who I, who's on my social media that I take
down to took down the New Zealand.
Chad took me out there. And again, I'm coming from North
Carolina, man. And I'm like, look, he was like
tomorrow morning we're going to get started.
So I flew in not thinking about getting acclimated to elevation
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because I live at sea level, right?
So brother goes out there, I getthere, I go to sleep, I wake up
in the morning and we drive. He's like, all right, we're just
going to go. We're going to get set about
4:00 in the morning. And we go down this windy road
and then we stop and to my rightis the abyss.
Like I'm talking straight down to hell, all right?
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And then beside me, it's just straight up.
So I'm like, well, we're going to walk down the road and
probably go to some area and be able to, you know, go after
these elk. Chad gets out the car, gets the
headlight and everything. I get myself all situated.
And he said, you ready? I'm like, yeah, like which way
we're going. He went straight up.
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Like I'm talking straight up. Like it didn't even.
And, and we haunted for 16 hoursthat day, like my first day.
And I'm telling you, I thought there were times and Chad ain't
right. Everybody, anybody ever haunted
with Chad has No, Chad's not right.
Like he does this thing where hegoes, if he ever does this, I'm
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like, look, man, I guess I that was a good day, man.
Let's go ahead and head on in. And he goes, yeah, we're just
going to, and do this whenever he does that, that means you're
not going home for another year.Like he just goes and he's like,
we're just going to side heal orwhatever.
I learned about side healing. He's like, we're just going to
side heal right over here. I said, where's the truck?
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And he's like, it's just right over there.
And it's not. It was the, it was the most
gruesome day of my life. And I I loved it.
Everton. And he if he hears an elk, if he
hears an elk, it could be on Pluto.
He's like, do you hear that? I'm like, yeah, that sounds like
pretty long ways away, brother. So let's just go ahead and go
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back, find something else. Let's go.
And one time he picked up my bag.
I said, look, dude, I'm dying. Let me set my bag down here.
I'll GPS it or whatever. He looks at me.
He found a shed that has a shed on the back.
His pack grabs my pack, turns around and says let's go.
I felt like a little bitch. I was like, Nah, man, just just
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go ahead and just put it down, man.
Just I got it, man. I got it.
It's the worst day of my life. Yeah, and best day one and best
day 2. Oh absolutely.
I'm hooked. So I trained so differently
after that to just prepare from that point on and it was over.
So, so somebody who comes from, because I mean, I've talked to a
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couple guys from the East Coast.How do you how do you train to
be prepared for like the mountains out here?
OK, so my first I've tried everything from backpacking with
weights and all that other stuff.
The best training that I found and the best that I've ever
performed out at elevation was from riding a bicycle.
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All right, so you find the hilliest places you can find and
you crush the heel, crush the heel, crush the heel and cruise
down and let the lactic acid build up in your system, right?
Just let it build up and then when you get to the bottom,
crush again, crush again becausethat's the only way to duplicate
it. Because you know when you're
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going up there, you're, you're hiking like we were climbing.
He climbed 20 feet and I'm out of breath and he'd stop and let
me catch my breath. So I was like, how can I
duplicate that? And the only way for me to
duplicate it was that bicycle inmy area.
So and I'm taking some long rides and it's the Helios areas
you can go to Crush cruise. Like don't even pedal.
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Like just let the lactic acid build up and be gruesome in your
soul. And the only other thing I do is
I do what it's called people like when I go to the gym,
people like here it comes comingto climb the mountain.
So climbing the mountain is if you can't get on a stair step
with those automatic steps because all the women take them.
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So you get on it. I get on a tread, so I get on a
treadmill at the highest inclineknown, and then I put on a moose
hunting show. And so it's literally right here
by the time you're on the highest incline.
And I put it at about 3-4. Yeah.
So you put it at like 3 1/2 four, and you just climb and you
just climb and just go and watchthe hunting show.
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And that's the best way I find myself to prepare.
Yeah, yeah, that's that. I mean, if you don't have heels,
I mean, I'm fortunate. I'm just like a one mile drive
to the mountains and I go on a pack and just go up, zigzag up
the mountain. One of the things Casey
Harbitson had given me some advice for those of you that,
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you know, if you're new to hunting and you're near the
mountains, throw a 40 LB bag of salt in your in the backpack and
then hike up. And if coming down it's too
steep and it gets tough on your knees, just start dumping some
salt out. All the deer and other animal in
the area will love it and you can save your knees a little
bit, but it gets used to, to packing.
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I, you know, when, when we went out this weekend, we were going
to, you know, we'd set up camp and we were going to hike in and
stay the night. But you know, Dustin, who you
had talked to and I like we, we ended up getting a later start.
That's my fault. But anyway, we got up there and,
and set up camp and we're like, hey, tomorrow let's like hike in
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and set up camp. So like I had like a 40 LB pack
that I was taking in with the intent of like, hey, we were
going to set up shop out there, stay the night.
But then a storm ended up comingin and we were like, Dad, we're
not going to, let's just head back in.
But yeah, do you have having, having that weight on you?
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I, I think that biking is, is, you know, for somebody who's not
in an area that's mountainous, Ithink that's actually really
good advice to kind of use the, use the hills, like push on that
bike and then just kind of like chill out, coast down, let that
lactic acid build up and repeat.But, yeah, if you can find, if
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you can find a stair climber in the gym, you know, jump on and
do so at your own peril. Yeah.
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.
And I find that, that, that bike, man, that bike, that was
my, it just so happened after training that time, I was able
to kill my elk in like the 1st and the 1st 2 days of being
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there, right? So, and then after that I was, I
just went along like with Chad for them to chase elk and so and
calling and all of that stuff. So it was, it was, it was good.
I felt great. Anthony, are you are you bow
hunting or are you hunting with rifle?
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That was, that's all bow like that.
My moose, yeah, there's a bunch of animals I've killed with,
with a bow. And I, I love bow hunting, but
there are times that you break out a rifle, like if I'm going
to an area, if I'm going to an area that I've never haunted for
something that I, I want to get and learn the ropes of like
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learn that region, like freakingNew Zealand.
Going down there for 11 days, there was no way there was,
there was a couple opportunitieswe could have shot with a bow,
but it there was, there was no way.
There was no way we could have we could have bow haunted that
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the area we were at for those stag like it was at least the
first time because you don't know you don't know what you
don't know. But now I could definitely I I
could do it like I I want. The next time I do it, it will
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So so when you've been out, so did you start bow hunting then
like 10 years ago? So it was after that L when you
started bow hunting or? Oh, no, I've been bow hunting.
I've been bow hunting. That's what I started with.
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That's what I killed. I killed my first deer with a
bow, and that was 20, I don't know, 20 something years ago.
Yeah. So I killed my first my first
deer ever was with a bow and I I've never looked back and.
Where was that? First deer, North Carolina.
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It was North Carolina. Yeah.
Yeah. Killed him with a bow.
And I've just. I've never looked back.
I love it. That's fun.
What, what have been some of like the wildest places that
you've ever been hunting? I mean, New Zealand obviously is
pretty unique. Yeah, yeah, New Zealand was
pretty gnarly, man. And it's, you know, when, when I
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would, that was, I don't even know what to say about New
Zealand, because when you watch it on the videos and you get
your pictures from all your buddies that a lot of them go to
the trophy farms. There's a lot of them down
there, right? And then, but when you go down
there, because you know, there is no department of wildlife.
I mean, there's department of wildlife, but you don't really,
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you can hunt any time of the day.
You can hunt at night, you can go out there with thermals, you
can do whatever you want becausethere's no invasive, there's no
predators on those animals. They're populated.
So, but the area we went, we looked on the map and the area
we stayed, we were in like the jungle.
So it was, it was pretty gnarly,you slipping and falling, and I
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just hated that it because you think of them like elk.
So when you hear them roar in that big Narn.
Talking about the red stag. Yeah, the red stag.
So when you hear that roar, you you think you can go after you
can't, You can't move. It's it's so thick where we were
and you couldn't move. So Chad got Chad got to in that
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area because they literally camelike on him like somewhere in
like out of nowhere. But but yeah, it was that what
that was gnarly. The let's see going up Caribou
hunting. Oh, man, that was OK.
I got you. So we we go to go Caribou
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hunting. We get to camp.
So you're at camp and it's my first time 300 miles above the
Arctic Circle and I'm like in the middle of nowhere.
We're camped and, and my buddy Randall has everything set up
and he points about 400 yards toa big old grizzly bear, right.
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And I'm sitting there and it's getting like time for us to go
to sleep. It doesn't get dark, but it's
getting time for us to go to sleep.
And they're like, all right, well, we're just going to go
ahead and turn in. And I'm thinking about every
hunt show I've ever seen. Ain't never seen a black dude up
there. And and they're they're just
hanging out saying he going to go to bed with a damn grizzly
bear 500 yards. Like I'm thinking I'm like,
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look, I'm I'm going to die. So that night needs to say I
slept just like this. It was every, everything, every
moment. I was like, look, this ain't
happening. Oh, my God.
And then but then you then you hear something in the middle of
the night behind your tent and you're like parts like, and
you're like, Oh my God, that's agrizzly.
Do you do that? Do I have any snacks?
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Do I have anything? Oh, and I I'm, I'm like the next
day I get up and I, it was a Musk ox.
It was just a Musk Musk ox goingby.
But yeah, that was, that was pretty freaky.
Yeah. Yeah, when when you haven't,
it's like I didn't grow up goinginto the woods, right.
I mean, you know, like you're talking about the beginning.
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We'd grow up, you know, we'd go down to the field, blow our
house, being in the buddies and we'd take our BB guns and we'd
chase Magpies and and shoot. And so as a matter of fact, I
still have ABB in my face from when we were little kids out
shooting. It was like the old, like, you
know, hey, you'll shoot your eyeout.
Oh yeah, perfect. We like completely random, but
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we were down, you know, chasing Magpies and I, I was shooting,
shot across this bank up into this tree and like the magpie
flew off. Like dude, we couldn't hit
anything. I mean, not at the distances
that we were shooting, but my buddy, my buddy when I shot at
it got pissed off that I had shot at that bird and he was
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probably 20 yards away from me. He turned point the gun and shot
me like right in the face and itit like my lip was like up like
Elvis and like it was just bleeding like I took my sweat.
I remember it was a black in like neon green like like kind
of like fleece sweatshirt. I was probably like 12 at the
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time. And I take it off and I put it
on my face and I finally get thebleeding to stop and so I go
back home. And I tell you know, my mom and
dad, well, I didn't tell them what happened.
They're like, why is there bloodall over you?
And I'm like, oh, we were building a Fort and I walked
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into we found some wood and I walked into a Nell in one of the
two by fours. And they're like, well, you've
had your tetanus shot. So like you're good.
So Fast forward six years. I'm in to get my wisdom teeth
taken out and like all the sudden like they come in, they
do like the full X-ray thing, right?
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And the doctor comes in with like 7 nurses and I'm like, what
is going on here? He's like, we have a bet.
And I'm like for what he's like because I, I thought the BB had
like hit like I, I was a kid. I was stupid, right?
I thought it hit bounced out right.
But he's like, I bet that I toldthem all that you've been shot
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in the face and I'm like, I've never told a soul.
Like I didn't tell anybody aboutthat.
I'm like, why would you say that?
And then he pulls the X-ray up and like slaps it up and flips
the light on and he's like, 'cause there's a bullet right at
BB. But none the less it was like
embedded. And I was like, do I need to get
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it removed? He's like, no, you'd have had a
problem with it by now if you'regoing to, but.
Nice. But yeah, and.
Did you tell your mom at that time?
I eventually told them, yeah, yeah.
But she wasn't there because, I mean, I was 18.
Oh yeah. And it was, it was like a pre
exam. So I had gone in myself and, you
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know, getting anyway, getting ready to have it done.
But yeah, there anyway. But yeah, that dude, that dude
was batshit crazy, man. His whole family, like they're
all like exactly where you thinkthey would be.
But anyway. But anyway, so like I said,
Ohio. Stuff.
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Yeah, yeah. But, but, yeah, so I, I, I mean,
that was my extent to the woods when when we were talking about
that. But, but I mean, I spent time in
the outdoors. Like we, we grew up skiing, you
know, wakeboarding, you know, barefooting, different stuff
like that. But, but yeah, I, I, when I got
started and, and being out in the woods, like you hear things
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like, like that, you know what you're talking about?
Like you see that grizzly you'rethat and, and your mind starts
playing tricks on you. And especially when you're out
there and I don't know why, likein the morning, it doesn't
sketch me out is when I first started going out, you know,
4:00 AM, like you hit the trail,start hiking in like, I'm good.
But for whatever reason, like when Nightfall sets in, it's
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just I, it, it, it was unnervingfor a little bit.
See and the reason. For that, yeah.
Well, see, the reason for that is because it's going to get
lighter in the morning. At night, it's only going to get
darker and you got a lot longer of just stray darkness.
So yeah, I, I, I remember that moment.
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I remember that moment. Yeah, that's.
Well, that's fun. Yeah, for me.
Oh, go ahead. Sorry.
What was that? Oh, so for me growing up, it was
just, I don't know, I didn't getthe opportunity to do a lot of
hunting. So back story on where I'm from.
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I'm from Warren County, North Carolina.
Warren County is home of the where the environmental justice
movement for the United States started.
It started there where we were growing up, right, just because
of the situation that had happened with our governor and
PCBS where the PCBS, if anybody googles PCB dunk, it shows us we
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were the start of it, right. So Needless to say is a very
poor black area that this thing happened.
Well, Fast forward, take that towards the, the hunting side of
the house. It wasn't something that that we
did, right? Historically, all of my buddies,
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they are well, my buddies in high school, they would go and
they would, they would hunt and they would go and do this.
And it was all, all the white guys because they were able to
go on to their families land that they've had and passed down
from generation to generation, right?
But we didn't have that land andwe damn sure didn't have the
invitation, right? So you couldn't, you couldn't
hunt, right? We didn't have to give you an
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example. In 1994 our school had two
Proms, a black and a white rightand the white one was at the at
the Country Club and the black one was at the high school.
We didn't have the first black member of or non white member of
the golf course until 2003. So that'll tell you like so we
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didn't like so hunting wasn't you couldn't.
I don't, I don't even know how to say like you had nowhere to
hunt. That's why you'll see on my
thing. I talk a lot a partner with
nature.org and Conservancy for public land hunting and telling
people, hey, that that's your resource.
Utilize that resource because it's for everybody, black,
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white, whoever doesn't have access.
So I really couldn't, I really couldn't do.
I couldn't play golf like, you know, I couldn't.
There was so much, yeah, but I couldn't do a lot of things.
Like my buddies, they were like,damn, how'd you get into it?
Your granddad teach you. My granddad haunted my granddad.
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The way you knew that my granddad haunted is when you got
to his house and it was time to eat.
Everything was chicken. But if you look out on the line
outside, there'll be a daggone raccoon skiing.
There'll be a daggone like, whatever.
Like, it's whatever. But everything was always
chicken because, you know, so, so that that was interesting to
hunt. And growing up, there was like,
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no, if you heard of a deer in the area, everybody was going
after a white tail at that point.
Well, yeah, that's wild. You know, going back you, you
think that you had mentioned like you had like these two
separate problems back in 94. That's not that long ago.
So you're not, so you're you're like 3 years older than what are
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you 49? Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, you're three years older than me.
And, and I, I, I think like, I mean, there's not a lot of black
people. I mean, Utah is changing, but
there's not a lot of black people in Utah, at least there.
What I mean, I, there was like 1black kid, Jeremy, that I, that
I went to, that I went to schoolwith in our high school.
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So you kind of forget about that.
And I, I think, you know, you forget that that was part of the
culture, that there was still that separation.
And, and then, yeah, then when it comes to the land and all
that other stuff, it's just, I don't know, it's wild.
I think we, I think, I think we've come a long way.
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But still, we still got some. We still got we.
Still got Yeah, well, yeah, you definitely still have a ways to
go 'cause it's still, I mean, you know, it didn't like it
didn't like and I man, it's the hunting industry is, is
expanding a lot, but it's still it's they're still like you're
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not, not going to see a whole bunch of it's increasing the
number of minorities that are hunting or and etcetera,
etcetera. But it here in the South it's
it's. The rednecks.
Yes, that mentality is still outthere and and the kids, the
younger generation is seeing things more, but the old people
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still aren't dead yet, you know,So they're still there.
So their opinion still matters into a lot of things when it
comes to hunt clubs and stuff like that.
So it's still around. Yeah, well, anyway.
Well, that's that's why I get, that's why big game hunt.
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah.
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So the big, so the big game hunting and you talked a little
bit about like the public lands and we had that big to do with
our senator that I used to really like.
Oh yeah. You're in Utah, yes, Yeah.
Dude, that dude's about worked himself out of a job here.
I, I mean, and the thing that pissed me off is 'cause like he
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went on Glenn Beck's program, right?
You know, conservative talking heads and, and I used to and,
and I used to work at iHeartRadio and I've like sat
down and met with like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and those
guys like big conservative and, and all that fun stuff.
And I've met Mike Lee multiple times.
He would come into the studio, he'd be on with like our local
on air talent. And I, I really liked him and,
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and I do like him for a lot of things.
But the fact that those guys came out and tried to call this
bullshit that it's like just theliberals that are out there that
are against this. I'm like, you guys are up in the
freaking night, man. I mean, this is, this is public
land. And that's the thing, you know,
that you talked about, like the private land owners, they're
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not, they're saying that they'rewanting to do that to try and,
you know, make home, sell the land to make homes more
affordable. He was going to sell that stuff
to his freaking donors. His biggest donors are land
developers. And, and that's who I was going
to go to and they're going to take it and they're going to
freaking, they were going to drive the price up.
And, and you know, my solution was like, OK, fine.
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If you really want to take some of these lands, only sell it to
to private individuals, no land developers, no, no real estate.
And look, I'm like, I'm I'm all about like capitalism and that,
but like, dude, you'd start the second they they take like an
inch of that land, dude, it's over.
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They're just it'll never stop. It will never stop.
And now the state locally, like Spencer Cox, those guys are
trying to like sneak it in again.
So like the fights like still going on.
Like they yeah, yeah, dude. So that's like I've got my
cousin's husband runs the bow fishing division here in Utah.
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And he, he's I didn't like I said for people that listen to
the podcast, like I'm new to this whole hunting world, right.
The outdoor space. It's been five years for me.
So I'm, I'm still trying to likefigure all this out.
So there's guys that know way more information than I do.
So you know, I'm going to have, I'm going to have, we're going
to, I'm going to do a podcast with him and talk about that
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because it's, you know, it made national news.
And fortunately with like Mike Lee and those guys were starting
to do that. You had like the Joe Rogan's,
like the Cam Haynes and all these guys that come out.
It's like, dude, like you're pissing off your base and, and
it's hard enough to find the land like you like, let alone
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like the freaking border crossing, right Issues where
it's like it's, it's private land and you step across the
border. And I know some states have
gotten better with that, but it,it's, it's everybody, all these
private land owners think they're John Dutton, right?
Like stay, stay off my land or I'm going to like kill you.
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Yeah, and it's huge, but I see the problem.
So the problem with the private land owners is, is our legal
system, because people are, people are terrified to allow
people on their property becauseif they get hurt, you're
screwed. Like if you're a landowner and
somebody gets hurt on your property now because somebody
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set precedents at suing somebody's land, a landowner.
And you know, when I was in college, one of the cases or
whatever, because I was originally going to go to law
school and practice, my brother was a ladder.
A thief took a ladder. Have you heard this?
A thief took a ladder to break into somebody's house, and we
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took the ladder to break into somebody's house.
The thief fell, got injured and sued the landowner.
I've heard similar stories like that.
Yeah, so. Like, yeah, like they're
breaking in, like the window breaks and it cuts them and.
Yeah, yeah. That's why I like the castle
off. Someone ever tries breaking into
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my house like and I shoot them outside my buddy who's a cops
like just drag their ass back inthe house and finish.
Yeah, Yeah, that's right. That's right.
That's exactly right. But but yeah, yeah, it's look
and and I get it, but that happening.
And I guess that's the other problem like we have here in
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America is, is everybody is so freaking sue happy.
Yes, it it it's like, yes, I'm not worried.
Like if I go on somebody's property and I fall and hurt
myself, especially if like you're in like the wilderness.
Like what did you think was going to happen?
Like, I know when I go out, likeI run there, if I'm not watching
my step, I could like blow my knee outbreak, you know, break a
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leg, sprain an ankle, fall down,go boom, you know, all those
things. But but but yeah, we definitely
have gotten. I don't know.
I mean, I haven't heard of many hunters out there doing that.
It's more like, damn, I shot this elk and it ran on this
dude's property. So you have to sit there and try
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and like, OK, like, and I guess that would be the one
recommendation I would have. That's that's what I train do
and it's nice with with some of these like hunting tools.
If you do shoot something and itgoes on a private, private
property, if you have some of these tools, like you have a way
to try and contact. But if you're going into an area
and you know you're going to be pushing up on somebody's
property, do some work in advance and have like their
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contact information so that you could get authorization if it
runs under their property. But anyway, yeah.
Yeah, that's, oh, sorry, the that you said that that bill is
trying to be introduced a littlebit.
They're trying to sneak it in. Is that other people?
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They're running it through the state now.
So now the state's trying to take the land, which I, I just
barely found out about it just before, just before we headed
out for it was just last week. And I've been so freaking busy
with work and everything else, Ihaven't had a chance to really
dive into it. But I'm going to have to look it
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up. I'll, I'll check and see if it's
just here in Utah. Yeah, I'll send it to you for
sure. Yeah, please, please.
I agree. But that's the type of stuff I
mean, it's nice to have that public land and you know, to be
able to go out and start. Like I said, I didn't grow up
hunting, you know, I got 2 granddaughters.
My wife tells me like over her dead body.
Am I going to take them out hunting?
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But it was fun when I'd call andcheck in and the grandbaby was
down. My my little granddaughter.
She's like, Papa, you kill an elk.
I'm like, no, sweetheart, not yet.
Yeah. But now.
But now the real pressure's on. She knows I'm out trying to do
it. I got to come through.
Yeah. So, yeah.
Anthony. Hey, tell me.
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Tell me what you've got coming up.
Have you got any hunts coming upthat you're working on right
now? Oh, yeah.
All right. So yeah, yeah, I've got a busy,
I've got a busy season this year.
It's this is probably my busiestseason.
I start off in Oregon chasing Roosevelt Elk with my buddy Ben
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Day. He's he's a photographer for
Arcterics and Columbia and all of their footwear and so forth.
And he decided he wanted to huntso.
And he was like, hey, I want to do this.
I want to get put on an elk. And, and the Roosevelt elk are
just different. They don't, they don't talk as
much as as the Rocky Mountain elk.
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And, and some people that the people that hunt them say that
they're easier. The people who don't hunt them
say that they are. It's, it's, it's hard and I've
done it before and it's just hard, but.
I've I've had anything that's easy.
Yeah, yeah. Well, that one that that is,
yeah. It's just, it's real wet.
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It's yeah, yeah, you're, you're it's real viny.
Like I almost, I felt like I almost lost the buddy.
I took him out there to put him on his first elk and we're
walking and then there's ground,but the ground is like he
slipped and fell and he just went down that this rock Cliff
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probably about 40 feet and just went to slit like he was tapping
to see if he has the elk that wehad heard that we heard walking
and was down there. So we were trying to figure out
how to get down there to hunt him for the next day and he was
walking and slipped and just went down.
And the only way for him to comeout was either A2 mile walk that
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way or that way through wherever.
And we don't know where to come out at.
Luckily, the tree that was growing had a root system and he
ended up using the root system to climb back up and get the
ice. And I said, buddy, you're not.
I knew his mom and dad, he's a lot younger.
He could technically be my son. And I was like, look, dude,
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we're not doing that anymore. He said, man, I can find a way.
I said no, I don't want to talk to Nita and have Nita to come
back and kick my ass. So anyway, so that's Oregon, and
then after Oregon I come back. I fly to Sitka, to Middle Island
Lodge and I'll there I'll fish and hunt.
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And now I won't hunt there, but I'll fish halibut salmon for a
few days and get some good content there and then I'll
leave. From there.
I go to Anchorage and then I meet up with my buddy Nathan,
and he's a Bush pilot. So he and I and another buddy
are going to hop on there and just go park the plane on a
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riverbed camp and pray for the best.
But that's going to be moose hunt and there will be black
bear around. There will be grizzly around.
And I'm no longer an Alaska resident, so I won't be able to
kill a grizzly. But they can't and, and there
should be some Caribou around, but we've all killed Caribou,
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multiple Caribou. So it's kind of like it's got to
be an absolute bruiser because the plane ride out there so long
and you know on those Bush planes you can only take couple
£100. So it once we kill a moose, that
means a 2 1/2 hour flight out and a 2 1/2 hour flight back to,
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you know, take the meat out, come back and then take the
next, next one out and then packall your stuff and get that out.
It's it's going to be a lot. So we so yeah, so that's going
to be that. But if we see a bruiser Caribou,
then it's it's it's going to go down put.
It down right on. Yeah.
And then after that I come back and then I go to New Mexico unit
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5B for elk, which I've been wanting New Mexico my entire
hunting life, New Mexico unit 5Bfor elk.
So I'm hoping that that's going to prove to be successful.
I flew out there a couple weeks ago just to scout it and just
kind of see the terrain and see where I'm going to be.
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So I'm I'm excited about that. And then I come back and I do
whitetail. I'll go to Ohio.
Ohio is kind of my nemesis. For the people that are out
there. I get to Ohio, I always see this
monster whitetail. And I normally see them on
opening day or my opening day ofbeing there.
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And I never get to harvest them and anything else I'm not
chasing because I want that one.So that's been my nemesis for
like 12 years. Yeah, let's see.
Then after that I come back, I head to Mag Bay with Warrior
Cabo and I'll be in Mag Bay for three weeks fishing the best
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fishery I think in the world. There's a two mile circumference
of sardines. Like I'm talking.
It's nothing to catch 40 to 50 Marlin a day and here you go,
three days to try to catch 1. So I'll be there for a couple
weeks and then after that hop into January and I may go to
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Oklahoma for a whitetail with Central flight, but I'm not sure
about that 1 yet. And then hop into January, I'm
definitely back out. I'll be with Central Flight for
three weeks and that'll be all geese and ducks, so yeah.
You got a full play brother. Yeah, brother, I'll tell you,
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I'm be wide open, man, Wide open.
I absolutely, I absolutely love it.
I'm, I'm most excited. I'm most excited about the moose
hunt because the last moose I killed was in Canada with a bow
at 17 yards. And that intensity that like,
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you know, what getting a Yukon moose is going to be, I'm
looking forward to because I like to be able to take some
guys and float their Yukon for afew days, not for a few days,
for 111 miles, for as long as ittakes.
And so I want to do that in two years, so.
Yeah, sounds like a blast, brother.
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That's exciting. Yeah, you want to come hop on
the boat with us? Yeah, man, let me know.
Yeah, yeah. Come on, man.
It's it's a, it's a, it's, it's a once in a lifetime thing,
although I'll probably do it a couple times.
But it's you just flew that river though for.
Other people, it's a once in a lifetime.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's and I think that you
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know can going back to not to hop back on that the public
lands portion of things. But Alaska will change like I
think that Alaska will change. I think that the number of
opportunities as a hunt in the lower 48 is declining so much
that people are going to start flocking to Alaska.
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And so the over the counter moose tags for areas like that,
I think they are going to dwindle.
So I think that people if it's if it's on your list, I know
everybody in Alaska is going to be like, don't say that and more
people are going to come up herehunting or whatever.
But if it's on your list to do and you have the knowledge and
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and the ability to survive, because you can't like call the
cops or call it, you know, if you have the ability to survive,
then I say go out and do it and you know, now's the time.
I think that's great advice. Yeah, I've, I've talked to a
couple guys, Hiram who runs the King Salmon Lodge up there in
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Alaska, and he said the same thing as like, if, if you've, if
you've ever wanted to go to Alaska, like don't wait, go.
And there's, there's multiple reasons to do it.
But I would say that's the same for for any type of hunting.
I mean, like the population continues to grow.
People are always going to be trying to build new homes and
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that and you never know what's going to happen.
You know, right now you have a government that is is trying to
like bolster the economy. So they're going to look at any
different way that they can to to try and get that growth to
come. And yeah, so regardless of
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whatever type of hunting it is, if it's something that you want
to do, I would say definitely goout and do it.
Anthony, Hey, as we wrap up here, if people want to find you
on Instagram or any of the othersocials, where would they go to
to look you up? So on Instagram, I'm complete
outdoors and that's that's the main way to find me complete
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outdoors on Instagram. Or they can reach me at
captainanthony.com, Capt. anthony.com and that will link
you to everything. It'll link you to, to cleat
life. It'll link link you to Warrior
Cabo fishing. It'll link you to just
opportunities to do some of the coolest shit.
And, and I want to tell everybody out there right now is
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that I started doing what I'm doing, what I would consider
early people like, why don't youwait until you retire?
Well, because you can't, becauseyou can't.
I've had over the years, I thinkI've been exposed to so many
people that have said to me overmy hunting career and my
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exploration, hey, man, I really want to come do that with you.
I really need to do that. But the time is not right.
And those people died. So that's, that's, that's the
reason why I, I just go like, I go.
There's certain things that may yeah, I should have focused a
little bit more on this, focus more on that.
But at the end of the day, you're not going to be here and
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you don't know when that is. So everybody, please just just
just get your ass up and do it. That's my mantra.
Get your ass up. All right, Anthony, I appreciate
you guys go give him a follow complete outdoors or cap
anthony.com. We'll put links in the show
notes as well. But I just want to thank
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outdoors. Welcome to another episode of
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the Hunt Stealth Podcast. Excited to have Anthony Williams
on the show with us today. Anthony, thanks for joining me,
brother. Man, I'm excited to be here.
Man, it's been a long time coming.
It has been You've been weathering the hurricane down
there in North Carolina. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't too bad.
It was offshore. We had a bunch of big waves and
stuff like that and a lot of water rushing into places when
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the tide came in. But other than that, it's it's
we feather weather pretty good. Well, I'm, I'm glad you guys are
making it out. OK.
It always, it always can get a little bit sketchy when though
you see the hurricane starting to come in.
They can either get really bad or it can get, you know, not too
bad. So glad fortunate this time.
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It's not not too shabby. But anyway, Anthony, for people
that don't know you, why don't you tell them a little bit about
yourself and and your love for the outdoors?
Yeah, man, I am. I'm an entrepreneur, you know,
we made my business partner hopped into the gymnastics
business. So we own a couple gyms for for
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kids. And as it got more successful, I
had more time to a lot to the outdoors, right.
So, but I've been in the outdoors my entire life.
Like as far as mine, as far as being able to hunt, my hunting
in the beginning was literally aBB gun going in the woods with
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my brothers and just shooting anything that we could, you
know, he just going out there thinking we're hunting, taking
food and going off on excursionsor whatever.
But it wasn't real like hunting.It was just kids going in the
outdoors. Dude I can relate man.
Yeah. And it's, so it, it and it's,
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it's weird to see now where I amand think back on how I got into
the outdoors. We just, I 'cause I grew up, I
grew up in Warren County, North Carolina, and it, we didn't have
indoor plumbing growing up, right?
So we just, we were the outdoors.
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So when people talk about a, youknow, crapping in the woods, I'm
like, you know what? You do about that.
Oh yeah, carrying a carrying, I guess we call a shit pot in the
morning, like when it's, it's inthe shit pots, not in the, in
the portion of the house that's that has the heater.
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So when you go out there to use it, it like, and you have to
dump it, it's, it's frozen. So then you have to take the
damn shit pot out to the outhouse and you have to dump it
right. And you just, you hate it to be
the one that had to do it because it's like, ah, yeah.
But anyway, yeah. So I'm kind of used to it as far
as the outdoors. The outdoors, yeah.
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Yeah, just essentially. And then and then from there
just try to start doing as many things as I could.
That's exciting. So so right now in North
Carolina, you do fishing tours, correct?
Yeah, Yeah. So I'm a charter captain here.
Like I like I said, I'm still onprimary entrepreneur out of out
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of Raleigh, but I do, yeah, I take people on on fishing trips,
big game fishing trips. I don't do Ensure.
I leave that to the guys that are that are here.
I fish ensure for myself. But as far as taking people, I
want to take people out for the big shit.
Yeah, What's been, what's been some of like the funniest fish
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that you've been able to catch or take people out to catch when
you say like the big game, the big fish.
Oh, it's definitely going to be Marlin fishing now.
Hands down Marlin fishing. Yeah.
Marlin fishing is like you're you're hunting, right?
You're hunting like you are literally trying to figure out
how to get that one fish, that type of fish, right.
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And it's like, it's not like, you know, there's bycatch, but
but you you aren't even trying to catch the bycatch.
Like you're going after you're putting big bait for big fish
and it's all or nothing. So it could be a waste, you
know, but you just, that's what you're going after.
Well, it was like it's opening weekend here in Utah and so like
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we've been out scouting and we'dseen plenty of bucks that we
were going to go chase down and then we knew the exact areas we
were going to be and then we went out for the weekend.
And not one, not $1.00 we did between we were between 8010
thousand feet elevation. We did 10 miles worth of hiking
it just just in one day. And I'm going like some like
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somebody, somebody was checking Instagram.
Everybody's like, hey, it's opening weekend.
We're coming. The Bucks are like, all right,
boys, let's. Bounce.
We're we're out. We are out.
But but that's fun. Oh, no, I get it.
So what what is your favorite type of hunting?
I mean, you're you're a charter captain, so obviously fishing,
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you know, something that that you clearly have a passion for,
got the entrepreneurial spirit to build that out.
But but what type of big game isyour favorite to chase?
Oh, elk, elk, elk, elk. I meant the same reason for
anybody else. I, I, I love hunting elk.
I love, I love Turkey hunting and they are so similar.
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They are so similar. And I know you've heard people
talk about that, but that, that responding to a call.
I like elk during the rut. It's, it's just something about
it, man. Once I got exposed to that, it
was, I didn't ever want to look back.
When When was the first time youwent elk hunting?
How long ago was? That so that it wasn't very long
ago, that would have been about 10 years ago.
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And my buddy Chad, who I, who's on my social media that I take
down to took down the New Zealand.
Chad took me out there. And again, I'm coming from North
Carolina, man. And I'm like, look, he was like
tomorrow morning we're going to get started.
So I flew in not thinking about getting acclimated to elevation
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because I live at sea level, right?
So brother goes out there, I getthere, I go to sleep, I wake up
in the morning and we drive. He's like, all right, we're just
going to go. We're going to get set about
4:00 in the morning. And we go down this windy road
and then we stop and to my rightis the abyss.
Like I'm talking straight down to hell, all right?
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And then beside me, it's just straight up.
So I'm like, well, we're going to walk down the road and
probably go to some area and be able to, you know, go after
these elk. Chad gets out the car, gets the
headlight and everything. I get myself all situated.
And he said, you ready? I'm like, yeah, like which way
we're going. He went straight up.
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Like I'm talking straight up. Like it didn't even.
And, and we haunted for 16 hoursthat day, like my first day.
And I'm telling you, I thought there were times and Chad ain't
right. Everybody, anybody ever haunted
with Chad has No, Chad's not right.
Like he does this thing where hegoes, if he ever does this, I'm
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like, look, man, I guess I that was a good day, man.
Let's go ahead and head on in. And he goes, yeah, we're just
going to, and do this whenever he does that, that means you're
not going home for another year.Like he just goes and he's like,
we're just going to side heal orwhatever.
I learned about side healing. He's like, we're just going to
side heal right over here. I said, where's the truck?
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And he's like, it's just right over there.
And it's not. It was the, it was the most
gruesome day of my life. And I I loved it.
Everton. And he if he hears an elk, if he
hears an elk, it could be on Pluto.
He's like, do you hear that? I'm like, yeah, that sounds like
pretty long ways away, brother. So let's just go ahead and go
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back, find something else. Let's go.
And one time he picked up my bag.
I said, look, dude, I'm dying. Let me set my bag down here.
I'll GPS it or whatever. He looks at me.
He found a shed that has a shed on the back.
His pack grabs my pack, turns around and says let's go.
I felt like a little bitch. I was like, Nah, man, just just
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go ahead and just put it down, man.
Just I got it, man. I got it.
It's the worst day of my life. Yeah, and best day one and best
day 2. Oh absolutely.
I'm hooked. So I trained so differently
after that to just prepare from that point on and it was over.
So, so somebody who comes from, because I mean, I've talked to a
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couple guys from the East Coast.How do you how do you train to
be prepared for like the mountains out here?
OK, so my first I've tried everything from backpacking with
weights and all that other stuff.
The best training that I found and the best that I've ever
performed out at elevation was from riding a bicycle.
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All right, so you find the hilliest places you can find and
you crush the heel, crush the heel, crush the heel and cruise
down and let the lactic acid build up in your system, right?
Just let it build up and then when you get to the bottom,
crush again, crush again becausethat's the only way to duplicate
it. Because you know when you're
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going up there, you're, you're hiking like we were climbing.
He climbed 20 feet and I'm out of breath and he'd stop and let
me catch my breath. So I was like, how can I
duplicate that? And the only way for me to
duplicate it was that bicycle inmy area.
So and I'm taking some long rides and it's the Helios areas
you can go to Crush cruise. Like don't even pedal.
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Like just let the lactic acid build up and be gruesome in your
soul. And the only other thing I do is
I do what it's called people like when I go to the gym,
people like here it comes comingto climb the mountain.
So climbing the mountain is if you can't get on a stair step
with those automatic steps because all the women take them.
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So you get on it. I get on a tread, so I get on a
treadmill at the highest inclineknown, and then I put on a moose
hunting show. And so it's literally right here
by the time you're on the highest incline.
And I put it at about 3-4. Yeah.
So you put it at like 3 1/2 four, and you just climb and you
just climb and just go and watchthe hunting show.
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And that's the best way I find myself to prepare.
Yeah, yeah, that's that. I mean, if you don't have heels,
I mean, I'm fortunate. I'm just like a one mile drive
to the mountains and I go on a pack and just go up, zigzag up
the mountain. One of the things Casey
Harbitson had given me some advice for those of you that,
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you know, if you're new to hunting and you're near the
mountains, throw a 40 LB bag of salt in your in the backpack and
then hike up. And if coming down it's too
steep and it gets tough on your knees, just start dumping some
salt out. All the deer and other animal in
the area will love it and you can save your knees a little
bit, but it gets used to, to packing.
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I, you know, when, when we went out this weekend, we were going
to, you know, we'd set up camp and we were going to hike in and
stay the night. But you know, Dustin, who you
had talked to and I like we, we ended up getting a later start.
That's my fault. But anyway, we got up there and,
and set up camp and we're like, hey, tomorrow let's like hike in
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and set up camp. So like I had like a 40 LB pack
that I was taking in with the intent of like, hey, we were
going to set up shop out there, stay the night.
But then a storm ended up comingin and we were like, Dad, we're
not going to, let's just head back in.
But yeah, do you have having, having that weight on you?
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I, I think that biking is, is, you know, for somebody who's not
in an area that's mountainous, Ithink that's actually really
good advice to kind of use the, use the hills, like push on that
bike and then just kind of like chill out, coast down, let that
lactic acid build up and repeat.But, yeah, if you can find, if
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you can find a stair climber in the gym, you know, jump on and
do so at your own peril. Yeah.
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.
And I find that, that, that bike, man, that bike, that was
my, it just so happened after training that time, I was able
to kill my elk in like the 1st and the 1st 2 days of being
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there, right? So, and then after that I was, I
just went along like with Chad for them to chase elk and so and
calling and all of that stuff. So it was, it was, it was good.
I felt great. Anthony, are you are you bow
hunting or are you hunting with rifle?
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That was, that's all bow like that.
My moose, yeah, there's a bunch of animals I've killed with,
with a bow. And I, I love bow hunting, but
there are times that you break out a rifle, like if I'm going
to an area, if I'm going to an area that I've never haunted for
something that I, I want to get and learn the ropes of like
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learn that region, like freakingNew Zealand.
Going down there for 11 days, there was no way there was,
there was a couple opportunitieswe could have shot with a bow,
but it there was, there was no way.
There was no way we could have we could have bow haunted that
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the area we were at for those stag like it was at least the
first time because you don't know you don't know what you
don't know. But now I could definitely I I
could do it like I I want. The next time I do it, it will
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So so when you've been out, so did you start bow hunting then
like 10 years ago? So it was after that L when you
started bow hunting or? Oh, no, I've been bow hunting.
I've been bow hunting. That's what I started with.
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That's what I killed. I killed my first deer with a
bow, and that was 20, I don't know, 20 something years ago.
Yeah. So I killed my first my first
deer ever was with a bow and I I've never looked back and.
Where was that? First deer, North Carolina.
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It was North Carolina. Yeah.
Yeah. Killed him with a bow.
And I've just. I've never looked back.
I love it. That's fun.
What, what have been some of like the wildest places that
you've ever been hunting? I mean, New Zealand obviously is
pretty unique. Yeah, yeah, New Zealand was
pretty gnarly, man. And it's, you know, when, when I
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would, that was, I don't even know what to say about New
Zealand, because when you watch it on the videos and you get
your pictures from all your buddies that a lot of them go to
the trophy farms. There's a lot of them down
there, right? And then, but when you go down
there, because you know, there is no department of wildlife.
I mean, there's department of wildlife, but you don't really,
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you can hunt any time of the day.
You can hunt at night, you can go out there with thermals, you
can do whatever you want becausethere's no invasive, there's no
predators on those animals. They're populated.
So, but the area we went, we looked on the map and the area
we stayed, we were in like the jungle.
So it was, it was pretty gnarly,you slipping and falling, and I
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just hated that it because you think of them like elk.
So when you hear them roar in that big Narn.
Talking about the red stag. Yeah, the red stag.
So when you hear that roar, you you think you can go after you
can't, You can't move. It's it's so thick where we were
and you couldn't move. So Chad got Chad got to in that
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area because they literally camelike on him like somewhere in
like out of nowhere. But but yeah, it was that what
that was gnarly. The let's see going up Caribou
hunting. Oh, man, that was OK.
I got you. So we we go to go Caribou
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hunting. We get to camp.
So you're at camp and it's my first time 300 miles above the
Arctic Circle and I'm like in the middle of nowhere.
We're camped and, and my buddy Randall has everything set up
and he points about 400 yards toa big old grizzly bear, right.
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And I'm sitting there and it's getting like time for us to go
to sleep. It doesn't get dark, but it's
getting time for us to go to sleep.
And they're like, all right, well, we're just going to go
ahead and turn in. And I'm thinking about every
hunt show I've ever seen. Ain't never seen a black dude up
there. And and they're they're just
hanging out saying he going to go to bed with a damn grizzly
bear 500 yards. Like I'm thinking I'm like,
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look, I'm I'm going to die. So that night needs to say I
slept just like this. It was every, everything, every
moment. I was like, look, this ain't
happening. Oh, my God.
And then but then you then you hear something in the middle of
the night behind your tent and you're like parts like, and
you're like, Oh my God, that's agrizzly.
Do you do that? Do I have any snacks?
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Do I have anything? Oh, and I I'm, I'm like the next
day I get up and I, it was a Musk ox.
It was just a Musk Musk ox goingby.
But yeah, that was, that was pretty freaky.
Yeah. Yeah, when when you haven't,
it's like I didn't grow up goinginto the woods, right.
I mean, you know, like you're talking about the beginning.
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We'd grow up, you know, we'd go down to the field, blow our
house, being in the buddies and we'd take our BB guns and we'd
chase Magpies and and shoot. And so as a matter of fact, I
still have ABB in my face from when we were little kids out
shooting. It was like the old, like, you
know, hey, you'll shoot your eyeout.
Oh yeah, perfect. We like completely random, but
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we were down, you know, chasing Magpies and I, I was shooting,
shot across this bank up into this tree and like the magpie
flew off. Like dude, we couldn't hit
anything. I mean, not at the distances
that we were shooting, but my buddy, my buddy when I shot at
it got pissed off that I had shot at that bird and he was
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probably 20 yards away from me. He turned point the gun and shot
me like right in the face and itit like my lip was like up like
Elvis and like it was just bleeding like I took my sweat.
I remember it was a black in like neon green like like kind
of like fleece sweatshirt. I was probably like 12 at the
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time. And I take it off and I put it
on my face and I finally get thebleeding to stop and so I go
back home. And I tell you know, my mom and
dad, well, I didn't tell them what happened.
They're like, why is there bloodall over you?
And I'm like, oh, we were building a Fort and I walked
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into we found some wood and I walked into a Nell in one of the
two by fours. And they're like, well, you've
had your tetanus shot. So like you're good.
So Fast forward six years. I'm in to get my wisdom teeth
taken out and like all the sudden like they come in, they
do like the full X-ray thing, right?
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And the doctor comes in with like 7 nurses and I'm like, what
is going on here? He's like, we have a bet.
And I'm like for what he's like because I, I thought the BB had
like hit like I, I was a kid. I was stupid, right?
I thought it hit bounced out right.
But he's like, I bet that I toldthem all that you've been shot
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in the face and I'm like, I've never told a soul.
Like I didn't tell anybody aboutthat.
I'm like, why would you say that?
And then he pulls the X-ray up and like slaps it up and flips
the light on and he's like, 'cause there's a bullet right at
BB. But none the less it was like
embedded. And I was like, do I need to get
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it removed? He's like, no, you'd have had a
problem with it by now if you'regoing to, but.
Nice. But yeah, and.
Did you tell your mom at that time?
I eventually told them, yeah, yeah.
But she wasn't there because, I mean, I was 18.
Oh yeah. And it was, it was like a pre
exam. So I had gone in myself and, you
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know, getting anyway, getting ready to have it done.
But yeah, there anyway. But yeah, that dude, that dude
was batshit crazy, man. His whole family, like they're
all like exactly where you thinkthey would be.
But anyway. But anyway, so like I said,
Ohio. Stuff.
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Yeah, yeah. But, but, yeah, so I, I, I mean,
that was my extent to the woods when when we were talking about
that. But, but I mean, I spent time in
the outdoors. Like we, we grew up skiing, you
know, wakeboarding, you know, barefooting, different stuff
like that. But, but yeah, I, I, when I got
started and, and being out in the woods, like you hear things
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like, like that, you know what you're talking about?
Like you see that grizzly you'rethat and, and your mind starts
playing tricks on you. And especially when you're out
there and I don't know why, likein the morning, it doesn't
sketch me out is when I first started going out, you know,
4:00 AM, like you hit the trail,start hiking in like, I'm good.
But for whatever reason, like when Nightfall sets in, it's
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just I, it, it, it was unnervingfor a little bit.
See and the reason. For that, yeah.
Well, see, the reason for that is because it's going to get
lighter in the morning. At night, it's only going to get
darker and you got a lot longer of just stray darkness.
So yeah, I, I, I remember that moment.
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I remember that moment. Yeah, that's.
Well, that's fun. Yeah, for me.
Oh, go ahead. Sorry.
What was that? Oh, so for me growing up, it was
just, I don't know, I didn't getthe opportunity to do a lot of
hunting. So back story on where I'm from.
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I'm from Warren County, North Carolina.
Warren County is home of the where the environmental justice
movement for the United States started.
It started there where we were growing up, right, just because
of the situation that had happened with our governor and
PCBS where the PCBS, if anybody googles PCB dunk, it shows us we
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were the start of it, right. So Needless to say is a very
poor black area that this thing happened.
Well, Fast forward, take that towards the, the hunting side of
the house. It wasn't something that that we
did, right? Historically, all of my buddies,
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they are well, my buddies in high school, they would go and
they would, they would hunt and they would go and do this.
And it was all, all the white guys because they were able to
go on to their families land that they've had and passed down
from generation to generation, right?
But we didn't have that land andwe damn sure didn't have the
invitation, right? So you couldn't, you couldn't
hunt, right? We didn't have to give you an
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example. In 1994 our school had two
Proms, a black and a white rightand the white one was at the at
the Country Club and the black one was at the high school.
We didn't have the first black member of or non white member of
the golf course until 2003. So that'll tell you like so we
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didn't like so hunting wasn't you couldn't.
I don't, I don't even know how to say like you had nowhere to
hunt. That's why you'll see on my
thing. I talk a lot a partner with
nature.org and Conservancy for public land hunting and telling
people, hey, that that's your resource.
Utilize that resource because it's for everybody, black,
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white, whoever doesn't have access.
So I really couldn't, I really couldn't do.
I couldn't play golf like, you know, I couldn't.
There was so much, yeah, but I couldn't do a lot of things.
Like my buddies, they were like,damn, how'd you get into it?
Your granddad teach you. My granddad haunted my granddad.
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The way you knew that my granddad haunted is when you got
to his house and it was time to eat.
Everything was chicken. But if you look out on the line
outside, there'll be a daggone raccoon skiing.
There'll be a daggone like, whatever.
Like, it's whatever. But everything was always
chicken because, you know, so, so that that was interesting to
hunt. And growing up, there was like,
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no, if you heard of a deer in the area, everybody was going
after a white tail at that point.
Well, yeah, that's wild. You know, going back you, you
think that you had mentioned like you had like these two
separate problems back in 94. That's not that long ago.
So you're not, so you're you're like 3 years older than what are
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you 49? Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, you're three years older than me.
And, and I, I, I think like, I mean, there's not a lot of black
people. I mean, Utah is changing, but
there's not a lot of black people in Utah, at least there.
What I mean, I, there was like 1black kid, Jeremy, that I, that
I went to, that I went to schoolwith in our high school.
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So you kind of forget about that.
And I, I think, you know, you forget that that was part of the
culture, that there was still that separation.
And, and then, yeah, then when it comes to the land and all
that other stuff, it's just, I don't know, it's wild.
I think we, I think, I think we've come a long way.
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But still, we still got some. We still got we.
Still got Yeah, well, yeah, you definitely still have a ways to
go 'cause it's still, I mean, you know, it didn't like it
didn't like and I man, it's the hunting industry is, is
expanding a lot, but it's still it's they're still like you're
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not, not going to see a whole bunch of it's increasing the
number of minorities that are hunting or and etcetera,
etcetera. But it here in the South it's
it's. The rednecks.
Yes, that mentality is still outthere and and the kids, the
younger generation is seeing things more, but the old people
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still aren't dead yet, you know,So they're still there.
So their opinion still matters into a lot of things when it
comes to hunt clubs and stuff like that.
So it's still around. Yeah, well, anyway.
Well, that's that's why I get, that's why big game hunt.
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah.
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So the big, so the big game hunting and you talked a little
bit about like the public lands and we had that big to do with
our senator that I used to really like.
Oh yeah. You're in Utah, yes, Yeah.
Dude, that dude's about worked himself out of a job here.
I, I mean, and the thing that pissed me off is 'cause like he
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went on Glenn Beck's program, right?
You know, conservative talking heads and, and I used to and,
and I used to work at iHeartRadio and I've like sat
down and met with like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and those
guys like big conservative and, and all that fun stuff.
And I've met Mike Lee multiple times.
He would come into the studio, he'd be on with like our local
on air talent. And I, I really liked him and,
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and I do like him for a lot of things.
But the fact that those guys came out and tried to call this
bullshit that it's like just theliberals that are out there that
are against this. I'm like, you guys are up in the
freaking night, man. I mean, this is, this is public
land. And that's the thing, you know,
that you talked about, like the private land owners, they're
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not, they're saying that they'rewanting to do that to try and,
you know, make home, sell the land to make homes more
affordable. He was going to sell that stuff
to his freaking donors. His biggest donors are land
developers. And, and that's who I was going
to go to and they're going to take it and they're going to
freaking, they were going to drive the price up.
And, and you know, my solution was like, OK, fine.
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If you really want to take some of these lands, only sell it to
to private individuals, no land developers, no, no real estate.
And look, I'm like, I'm I'm all about like capitalism and that,
but like, dude, you'd start the second they they take like an
inch of that land, dude, it's over.
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They're just it'll never stop. It will never stop.
And now the state locally, like Spencer Cox, those guys are
trying to like sneak it in again.
So like the fights like still going on.
Like they yeah, yeah, dude. So that's like I've got my
cousin's husband runs the bow fishing division here in Utah.
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And he, he's I didn't like I said for people that listen to
the podcast, like I'm new to this whole hunting world, right.
The outdoor space. It's been five years for me.
So I'm, I'm still trying to likefigure all this out.
So there's guys that know way more information than I do.
So you know, I'm going to have, I'm going to have, we're going
to, I'm going to do a podcast with him and talk about that
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because it's, you know, it made national news.
And fortunately with like Mike Lee and those guys were starting
to do that. You had like the Joe Rogan's,
like the Cam Haynes and all these guys that come out.
It's like, dude, like you're pissing off your base and, and
it's hard enough to find the land like you like, let alone
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like the freaking border crossing, right Issues where
it's like it's, it's private land and you step across the
border. And I know some states have
gotten better with that, but it,it's, it's everybody, all these
private land owners think they're John Dutton, right?
Like stay, stay off my land or I'm going to like kill you.
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Yeah, and it's huge, but I see the problem.
So the problem with the private land owners is, is our legal
system, because people are, people are terrified to allow
people on their property becauseif they get hurt, you're
screwed. Like if you're a landowner and
somebody gets hurt on your property now because somebody
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set precedents at suing somebody's land, a landowner.
And you know, when I was in college, one of the cases or
whatever, because I was originally going to go to law
school and practice, my brother was a ladder.
A thief took a ladder. Have you heard this?
A thief took a ladder to break into somebody's house, and we
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took the ladder to break into somebody's house.
The thief fell, got injured and sued the landowner.
I've heard similar stories like that.
Yeah, so. Like, yeah, like they're
breaking in, like the window breaks and it cuts them and.
Yeah, yeah. That's why I like the castle
off. Someone ever tries breaking into
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my house like and I shoot them outside my buddy who's a cops
like just drag their ass back inthe house and finish.
Yeah, Yeah, that's right. That's right.
That's exactly right. But but yeah, yeah, it's look
and and I get it, but that happening.
And I guess that's the other problem like we have here in
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America is, is everybody is so freaking sue happy.
Yes, it it it's like, yes, I'm not worried.
Like if I go on somebody's property and I fall and hurt
myself, especially if like you're in like the wilderness.
Like what did you think was going to happen?
Like, I know when I go out, likeI run there, if I'm not watching
my step, I could like blow my knee outbreak, you know, break a
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leg, sprain an ankle, fall down,go boom, you know, all those
things. But but but yeah, we definitely
have gotten. I don't know.
I mean, I haven't heard of many hunters out there doing that.
It's more like, damn, I shot this elk and it ran on this
dude's property. So you have to sit there and try
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and like, OK, like, and I guess that would be the one
recommendation I would have. That's that's what I train do
and it's nice with with some of these like hunting tools.
If you do shoot something and itgoes on a private, private
property, if you have some of these tools, like you have a way
to try and contact. But if you're going into an area
and you know you're going to be pushing up on somebody's
property, do some work in advance and have like their
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contact information so that you could get authorization if it
runs under their property. But anyway, yeah.
Yeah, that's, oh, sorry, the that you said that that bill is
trying to be introduced a littlebit.
They're trying to sneak it in. Is that other people?
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They're running it through the state now.
So now the state's trying to take the land, which I, I just
barely found out about it just before, just before we headed
out for it was just last week. And I've been so freaking busy
with work and everything else, Ihaven't had a chance to really
dive into it. But I'm going to have to look it
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up. I'll, I'll check and see if it's
just here in Utah. Yeah, I'll send it to you for
sure. Yeah, please, please.
I agree. But that's the type of stuff I
mean, it's nice to have that public land and you know, to be
able to go out and start. Like I said, I didn't grow up
hunting, you know, I got 2 granddaughters.
My wife tells me like over her dead body.
Am I going to take them out hunting?
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But it was fun when I'd call andcheck in and the grandbaby was
down. My my little granddaughter.
She's like, Papa, you kill an elk.
I'm like, no, sweetheart, not yet.
Yeah. But now.
But now the real pressure's on. She knows I'm out trying to do
it. I got to come through.
Yeah. So, yeah.
Anthony. Hey, tell me.
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Tell me what you've got coming up.
Have you got any hunts coming upthat you're working on right
now? Oh, yeah.
All right. So yeah, yeah, I've got a busy,
I've got a busy season this year.
It's this is probably my busiestseason.
I start off in Oregon chasing Roosevelt Elk with my buddy Ben
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Day. He's he's a photographer for
Arcterics and Columbia and all of their footwear and so forth.
And he decided he wanted to huntso.
And he was like, hey, I want to do this.
I want to get put on an elk. And, and the Roosevelt elk are
just different. They don't, they don't talk as
much as as the Rocky Mountain elk.
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And, and some people that the people that hunt them say that
they're easier. The people who don't hunt them
say that they are. It's, it's, it's hard and I've
done it before and it's just hard, but.
I've I've had anything that's easy.
Yeah, yeah. Well, that one that that is,
yeah. It's just, it's real wet.
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It's yeah, yeah, you're, you're it's real viny.
Like I almost, I felt like I almost lost the buddy.
I took him out there to put him on his first elk and we're
walking and then there's ground,but the ground is like he
slipped and fell and he just went down that this rock Cliff
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probably about 40 feet and just went to slit like he was tapping
to see if he has the elk that wehad heard that we heard walking
and was down there. So we were trying to figure out
how to get down there to hunt him for the next day and he was
walking and slipped and just went down.
And the only way for him to comeout was either A2 mile walk that
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way or that way through wherever.
And we don't know where to come out at.
Luckily, the tree that was growing had a root system and he
ended up using the root system to climb back up and get the
ice. And I said, buddy, you're not.
I knew his mom and dad, he's a lot younger.
He could technically be my son. And I was like, look, dude,
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we're not doing that anymore. He said, man, I can find a way.
I said no, I don't want to talk to Nita and have Nita to come
back and kick my ass. So anyway, so that's Oregon, and
then after Oregon I come back. I fly to Sitka, to Middle Island
Lodge and I'll there I'll fish and hunt.
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And now I won't hunt there, but I'll fish halibut salmon for a
few days and get some good content there and then I'll
leave. From there.
I go to Anchorage and then I meet up with my buddy Nathan,
and he's a Bush pilot. So he and I and another buddy
are going to hop on there and just go park the plane on a
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riverbed camp and pray for the best.
But that's going to be moose hunt and there will be black
bear around. There will be grizzly around.
And I'm no longer an Alaska resident, so I won't be able to
kill a grizzly. But they can't and, and there
should be some Caribou around, but we've all killed Caribou,
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multiple Caribou. So it's kind of like it's got to
be an absolute bruiser because the plane ride out there so long
and you know on those Bush planes you can only take couple
£100. So it once we kill a moose, that
means a 2 1/2 hour flight out and a 2 1/2 hour flight back to,
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you know, take the meat out, come back and then take the
next, next one out and then packall your stuff and get that out.
It's it's going to be a lot. So we so yeah, so that's going
to be that. But if we see a bruiser Caribou,
then it's it's it's going to go down put.
It down right on. Yeah.
And then after that I come back and then I go to New Mexico unit
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5B for elk, which I've been wanting New Mexico my entire
hunting life, New Mexico unit 5Bfor elk.
So I'm hoping that that's going to prove to be successful.
I flew out there a couple weeks ago just to scout it and just
kind of see the terrain and see where I'm going to be.
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So I'm I'm excited about that. And then I come back and I do
whitetail. I'll go to Ohio.
Ohio is kind of my nemesis. For the people that are out
there. I get to Ohio, I always see this
monster whitetail. And I normally see them on
opening day or my opening day ofbeing there.
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And I never get to harvest them and anything else I'm not
chasing because I want that one.So that's been my nemesis for
like 12 years. Yeah, let's see.
Then after that I come back, I head to Mag Bay with Warrior
Cabo and I'll be in Mag Bay for three weeks fishing the best
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fishery I think in the world. There's a two mile circumference
of sardines. Like I'm talking.
It's nothing to catch 40 to 50 Marlin a day and here you go,
three days to try to catch 1. So I'll be there for a couple
weeks and then after that hop into January and I may go to
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Oklahoma for a whitetail with Central flight, but I'm not sure
about that 1 yet. And then hop into January, I'm
definitely back out. I'll be with Central Flight for
three weeks and that'll be all geese and ducks, so yeah.
You got a full play brother. Yeah, brother, I'll tell you,
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I'm be wide open, man, Wide open.
I absolutely, I absolutely love it.
I'm, I'm most excited. I'm most excited about the moose
hunt because the last moose I killed was in Canada with a bow
at 17 yards. And that intensity that like,
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you know, what getting a Yukon moose is going to be, I'm
looking forward to because I like to be able to take some
guys and float their Yukon for afew days, not for a few days,
for 111 miles, for as long as ittakes.
And so I want to do that in two years, so.
Yeah, sounds like a blast, brother.
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That's exciting. Yeah, you want to come hop on
the boat with us? Yeah, man, let me know.
Yeah, yeah. Come on, man.
It's it's a, it's a, it's, it's a once in a lifetime thing,
although I'll probably do it a couple times.
But it's you just flew that river though for.
Other people, it's a once in a lifetime.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's and I think that you
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know can going back to not to hop back on that the public
lands portion of things. But Alaska will change like I
think that Alaska will change. I think that the number of
opportunities as a hunt in the lower 48 is declining so much
that people are going to start flocking to Alaska.
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And so the over the counter moose tags for areas like that,
I think they are going to dwindle.
So I think that people if it's if it's on your list, I know
everybody in Alaska is going to be like, don't say that and more
people are going to come up herehunting or whatever.
But if it's on your list to do and you have the knowledge and
(43:24):
and the ability to survive, because you can't like call the
cops or call it, you know, if you have the ability to survive,
then I say go out and do it and you know, now's the time.
I think that's great advice. Yeah, I've, I've talked to a
couple guys, Hiram who runs the King Salmon Lodge up there in
(43:49):
Alaska, and he said the same thing as like, if, if you've, if
you've ever wanted to go to Alaska, like don't wait, go.
And there's, there's multiple reasons to do it.
But I would say that's the same for for any type of hunting.
I mean, like the population continues to grow.
People are always going to be trying to build new homes and
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that and you never know what's going to happen.
You know, right now you have a government that is is trying to
like bolster the economy. So they're going to look at any
different way that they can to to try and get that growth to
come. And yeah, so regardless of
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whatever type of hunting it is, if it's something that you want
to do, I would say definitely goout and do it.
Anthony, Hey, as we wrap up here, if people want to find you
on Instagram or any of the othersocials, where would they go to
to look you up? So on Instagram, I'm complete
outdoors and that's that's the main way to find me complete
(44:53):
outdoors on Instagram. Or they can reach me at
captainanthony.com, Capt. anthony.com and that will link
you to everything. It'll link you to, to cleat
life. It'll link link you to Warrior
Cabo fishing. It'll link you to just
opportunities to do some of the coolest shit.
And, and I want to tell everybody out there right now is
(45:16):
that I started doing what I'm doing, what I would consider
early people like, why don't youwait until you retire?
Well, because you can't, becauseyou can't.
I've had over the years, I thinkI've been exposed to so many
people that have said to me overmy hunting career and my
(45:38):
exploration, hey, man, I really want to come do that with you.
I really need to do that. But the time is not right.
And those people died. So that's, that's, that's the
reason why I, I just go like, I go.
There's certain things that may yeah, I should have focused a
little bit more on this, focus more on that.
But at the end of the day, you're not going to be here and
(46:02):
you don't know when that is. So everybody, please just just
just get your ass up and do it. That's my mantra.
Get your ass up. All right, Anthony, I appreciate
you guys go give him a follow complete outdoors or cap
anthony.com. We'll put links in the show
notes as well. But I just want to thank
(46:23):
everybody for following. Make sure that if you listen to
the podcast, give it a like share it with a friend.
And again, thanks for listening to the Hunt Stealth Podcast, the
fastest growing hunting podcast in the nation.
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