Ep 154 The Hunting Stories Podcast: Campfire with the ElkBros

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Howdy folks and welcome to the hunting stories
podcast.
I'm your host, michael, and wegot another great episode for
you today.
Today, we actually are doingsomething a little bit new.
Today we are re-releasing anepisode that's actually already
published.
So if you're a fan of the elkbros, great, wonderful.
But I'm sorry, you may havealready heard this episode
because they released it about aweek ago, have already heard

(00:25):
this episode because theyreleased it about a week ago.
But what I'm trying to do here,guys, is I'm going to actually
go on a road tour and I am goingto get on other podcasts and
get their hunting groupstogether and have them tell
stories together, where they'regiving each other shit, having
fun, telling their favoritememories, and I hope you guys
enjoy this.
I had a great time recordingwith Joe and the team and, like
I said, they're one of myfavorite podcasts.
If you haven't listened to them, please do.
Please check them out.

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I'm going to put links to theirpodcast in the show notes.
But enjoy, guys, it's a littlebit different format.
You're going to hear what theElk Bros do.
It's different for them as well, so their normal stuff is a lot
more education related, butstill, they're fun every time.
So thank you, guys, for tuningin.
Please let me know how you feelabout this.
Give me some feedback onInstagram, or I think you can
even do it through whateveryou're listening to right now.

(01:06):
Leave some comments, let usknow what you think of this.
I got two or three more ofthese scheduled and I want to
know if it's worth my time tokeep doing them and if you guys
appreciate them.
So that's it, guys.
Thank you so much.
Now let's go ahead and kickthis thing off.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
We're back.
That's right y'all.
Joe was crying in his milk.
Wah wah wah.
I'm so lonely.
Wah wah wah.
It's not the same without youguys.
And we get it Looking at hisown mug for an hour.
That would make anyone cry.
Oh, okay, joe, we got you.
Bro On today's show, oldMichael Scrogan from the Hunting

(01:53):
Stories podcast has been afterus to get together with him and
share some stories.
Elk bro style, that discussion,our listener shout outs and
questions from our awesome elkbros mailbox.
So my friends, pull thatdiscussion, our listener shout
outs and questions from ourawesome Oak Bros mailbox.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
So, my friends, pull up a chair, adjust your volumes.
Just right, and welcome to BlueCollar Elk Hunting.
This is my life country, bornand raised.
When that whistle blows, I'm onthe trail, pounding in my head
there's a will, there's a way,there's a way, there's a way.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Welcome to Blue Collar Elk Hunting, brought to
you by elkgrowscom, with yourhost, Gilbert Ornelas, and elk
hunting coach Joe Gillian.
You want to hunt elk and theylive to hunt elk.
Their goal is to share with youwhat they have learned grinding
it out for over 35 seasonsdoing what they love.
So come on into camp and set aspell.
Welcome to Blue Collar ElkHunters.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Hello there everyone.
If it's your first time with us, glad to have you.
Hope you enjoy the show and, asalways, for those Blue Collar
Hunters following our show andgrinding out with us every week,
welcome back to elk camp.
I'm gilbert ornelas, coming toyou from an undisclosed area in
in west texas and uh, actuallysitting in in the uh bed in the

(03:17):
not the bed but the cab of mytruck.
So I apologize that any of thisuh audio is a little bit funky.
But joining us today is we gotthe leader of the Venezuelan
mafia, mr Luis Gonzalez, in thehouse.
We got the legend RC Knox,currently in San Antonio, texas,
and Mr Leroy Chavez, the ninjain Cimarron, new Mexico, and

(03:42):
WWJGD's in the house, and ouramigo from the Hunting Stories
podcast, mr Michael Scrogan, isin the house.
What's going on, fellas?

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Michael, mike Dude, we get to switch the, we get to
turn the tables on you today,man.
I guess, I guess I hope youguys are telling stories and
it's not just me, because uh,you guys got a lot more
experience hunting than I do,but I'm excited to be here, yeah
, but we lie speak for yourself,joe there are storytellers and

(04:20):
there are storytellers, and MrOrnelas over there can tell the
same story five times and you'dswear it was five different
stories.
I mean, he is amazing when hetells a story.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
They call that mofessionalism, joe.
In my neck of the woods, mo Mo.
That's more than pro, moreprofessional.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Oh my God.
So earlier Mike was showing usthat he had killed an antelope
this year, this past season.
Right, you had a heck of aseason, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Last year I shot two axis deerin Hawaii.
I shot a cow, moose and anantelope all with my bow.
So freezer is full.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
It was a very good year, wow, congratulations.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
So when you say like all with the bow, I mean why did
you have to include that?
Like my wife, she hunts withour car, right I?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
just wonder what you were using.
That's a good point.
So I've actually never shotanything with a rifle.
So I've, that's a good point.
So I've actually never shotanything with a rifle.
So I've been out a bunch butI've never had success.
And this year all of a suddenbow hunting clicked for me.
So I'm just I guess I'm justproud of it.
I would have to say, is why Imentioned why with a bow I've
also never killed anything withmy car, so your wife's got me
there yeah she.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
She tells me I don't know why it's so hard, man, I go
drive down the road, boomdinner she's ruined more
vehicles.
Man hitting deer aroundCimarron.
We have a great story with that, though.
When my daughter was, I guessshe was like two years old
Brittany's in the back, she's inher car seat, rhett's coming

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down the road, I don't know 50,55.
Deer comes out.
She swerves to miss the deerand spins like that.
The vehicle comes to a stop andBritt's like don't do that
again.
And you know, as a littletoddler, she says don't do that
again, like that.
And then, as they're pullingthrough Lambert Hills and she

(06:21):
sees the deer, she goes mama,mama, deer, kill it.
My wife was so pissed at me.
It looks like we lost GilliganGilligan.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
Gilligan, gilligan, gilligan.

Speaker 8 (06:43):
Oh, it's Gilligan.
So, Michael, so you said AxisDeer in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah.
I somehow got invited on a tripwith some pretty amazing
gentlemen.
Rick Trimmer he's just like aself-made millionaire and he
puts this trip together.
Went with him Ryan Mickler, ifyou guys know, shed Crazy just a
bunch of great guys and wentout there to molokai.
I don't think you've ever beenout there, but there are no
tourists.
So you, you see anyone outthere and every one of us is

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like six, four, I'm six, four,rick six, six, shed crazy, six,
five.
It's like a bunch of giantwhite guys and all these natives
were like what are you?
How he's doing out here?
And we're like, oh, we'rehunting.
They're like Kill them allBecause they're a nuisance out
there in Hawaii.
I don't know if you guys havehunted them yeah.
So they eat all of the plants upto as high as they can reach.
And when it rains, thatvolcanic ash in the soil is

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flowing into the ocean andkilling the coral reefs.
So they want them gone.
They are a huge pest, like wildhogs down in texas, huge pest
and so they were like kill themall.
We're like how we're trying,it's hard.
And they're like what's hardabout it?
You just point your gun andshoot.
We're like oh, we're shootingwith bows.
They're like why would you dothat?
Just take a gun, and it's verytrue, with a gun you could, you
could shoot them all day, butwith a bow they are, they are

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wily critters, they are jumpyand they got it's too cool.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Like you wouldn't believe, man, they're really
smart yeah, yeah, it's crazythey're.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
They're from india natively, if you guys don't know
, and their only native uh,predator or like natural
predator, is the bengal tiger.
So I've seen a fawn spook, adoe, like his own mom, and they
were just opposite directionsprinting.
Never saw him again.
Who knows if they ever ended uptogether again, but that
they'll jump at anything thoseanimals they're actually.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
We have a better population in texas here of an
axis deer than they do in indiawow I didn't know that.
Yeah, because of how well we'vetaken care of them here, they
get along really well, um, withthe grasslands here in texas all
over right, even in the in thewest west texas market where

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it's really arid and stuff.
They still, you know, they makeit in some pretty rough country
.
They just can't deal real wellwith the cold on molokai.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I think there's like 3 000 people on the island and
there's like 30 000 deer, soyou're going to get lots of
opportunities.
I almost ran out of arrows andmost of them just snapped into
the ground, but yeah, deliciousyou throw 10 white in a ditch to
eat one axis yeah, they are.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
They are one beautiful animal, I hear the
meat is unbelievable yes yeah,and their hides.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
If you can see over my shoulder, here this is the
hide from the buckeye shot.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Oh gorgeous animals elk, nil guy, axis I mean, if
you never killed a nil guy andate a nil guy phenomenal.
And oryx yeah, oryx is reallygood too, absolutely nox.
Got to see the south texaslandscape last weekend and I'm
telling you, boys, they gotanother three inches down there

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yesterday.

Speaker 9 (09:47):
Awesome, awesome.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
It's going to be unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, you need to come down there and hunt now.
Buddy, you got grass over yourhead.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah, so when you're hunting the pigs now, you never
get to see them.
You just see the grass moving,right, right, exactly, yeah,
yeah, that's a lot of fun, man,but I remember, I remember that
time on the river it was likethat too, gill, I could see that
just the grass moving, couldn'tsee the hogs, you know joe got

(10:20):
nose to nose with a couple ofour South Texas pigs because
that grass was so thick.
I did, yep, yeah, and let mejust tell you guys, man, I am so
happy to see you guys.
Yes, you too, luis, I'm sohappy to see you guys.
I mean, I've been missing y'all, man, this stuff of doing that

(10:48):
solo man.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Let me tell you, you know, just seeing me on the
other side and nobody, and and Icould swear I don't know how
often I wouldn't where I wasgoing with something end up
going someplace else.

Speaker 8 (10:53):
It's just like poor people so, yeah, no, we get you,
man, we wouldn't want to seeyou on the other side.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Well, we're getting closer.
Do you know, guys?
We're like 90 days out fromseason.

Speaker 8 (11:10):
That makes me so nervous.
I feel so unprepared this year,physically, like training-wise.
I need to get back to it, man,that's all right, luis, I'll
take care of you.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
That's the only thing that makes me feel better let's
uh, let's rock this thing,because I want to hear some
stories.
Man, I want to hear michael'sstory.
Chab has never told the story,you know?
Uh, michael, I think you've hadrc on your show, right?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
no, I haven't had rc, but I've had Luis and Manano.
Gilbert was actually episodeone and Joe, I've had you on as
well, but RC and Chavez, we'vegot to get them on, so we'll get
an episode of them just theirstories sometime soon.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
Here I'm sure, michael, did we really get to?
Because I thought we didn't geta chance to actually finalize
it and do it.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh no, we recorded.
It was basically you and Mananoarguing for an hour or so
talking about capybaras.
However, I will say this youdid officially say that I am
above Manano in the Venezuelanmafia.

Speaker 8 (12:17):
Yeah, absolutely you are.
I mean, yeah, I mean, that waswell-known internationally.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
What's funny about the episodes of my podcast you
guys have been on.
Every one of you takes creditfor the Venezuelan mafia, so I'm
going to leave that there.
You guys can figure that out,but every one of you says you're
the founder, the leader, orwhatever, it's just a bunch of
wannabes man, that's all it is.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
All.

Speaker 8 (12:45):
I know, dude is when we're walking in the woods.
They follow me.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
No, we try to avoid that as much as possible because
there's never a good result outof that, fall into close, get
into elk, that's right.
There you go.
Absolutely, man, yeah.
So, michael, before we move on,tell everybody about you and
your show, dude, because I thinkyou, what you guys do and the
people you've had on and thestories is just unbelievable.

(13:15):
I love the format, I love thepeople on there and it's so
funny.
I've really enjoyed watchingyou grow in that role as well
and your comfort zone and thingsyou do.
I really enjoyed when you hadTed Nugent on.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
That had to be an experience right, that was, yeah
, that was wrangling him, beinglike I don't want to talk
politics.
Ted, hunting stories, give mesome hunting stories.
And he was politics, politics.
He didn't have one beautifulstory about an estranged child.
He gave away when he was 18that he reconnected with it,
like when the child was 40, solike 40 year gap, um, and the
kid was a like crazy liberalchef in new york is the way ted

(13:53):
put it.
They ended up rekindling andnow they have an annual hunt
together and like this, thischef just loves it and he's like
he's really into the foodaspect of it, and so it was a
cool story.
But most of the episode was mejust being like Ted, stop
talking politics.
Actually, it's one of myfavorite family things.
I told him a joke that myfather-in-law told me about

(14:14):
Sandhill Crane and he did notlaugh.
But my whole family loves that.
I told my father-in-law hispast, so it's really great Cause
my father-in-law would tellthis joke all the time.
I'll tell it.
It's not a good joke, but I'lltell it real quick.
He says he has a recipe forsandhill crane.
He says you heat up a fire, geta big fire going, throw a bunch
of stones in, get the stonesreally nice and piping hot, and

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you take the breast of asandhill crane salt and pepper,
you throw that in and you buryit in the stones.
When it's done cooking, youtake it out and you eat the rock
.
And that was my father-in-law'sjoke about sandhill crane and I
never got it.
I've actually never eatensandhill crane, but I told that
to ted nugent and he's like no,it's uh.
What do they call it?

Speaker 5 (14:54):
the uh like yeah the rebuy of the sky.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
So he was, he was just talking about how good it
was, how good it was, and he'stelling me about all this
sandhill crane and I tell himthat joke and he just he just
moved on, didn't even laugh.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
Yeah no, but I mean, look, I've had it, and uh, and I
agree, I mean it's the rib eyeof the sky, man it's so good,
it's really good.
I mean, I don't know if theyjust cooked us in a special way,
but I've had it in south te andit's.
You just can't believe it thatthat, that it's coming from a

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bird, yeah, I've heard nothingbut good things.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I just haven't tried it, and it's just a joke that my
father-in-law told the samejokes over and over.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
I'm that I'm that way about ducks, man.
I mean, I love shooting theshotgun and hunting ducks.
I just I don't do it, becauseunless I have people that are
going to eat the ducks, um, Ijust don't like the taste of
duck.
And every time I do that like Ihad people that invited me to
their special places to huntducks and I'm like I don't know,

(15:57):
man, I just don't like theflavor.
And you hear the same thingevery time oh, you just don't
know how to make it right.
And then they commence to tellme about how they take it and
they soak it in milk and theyroll it in this and then they
hold it in that, and then theydo all this.
And you know, by the time theydo all these concoctions and all

(16:17):
this stuff, man, I imagine youcan make.
You know, boot leather tastesgood, you, you know, I just, oh
man, I'm just not a fan of that.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, we've been to jerky man.
It's really good.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah, I guess I haven't had any duck jerky, so
I'll try anything once.
Man, yeah, try anything once.
So why don't we do this?
Man and I had Guy's name inhere, oh, I copy-pasted this
stuff here we're going to takeyou guys to the Elk Bros mailbox
.
Man, that's what we're going todo here.
And Chav, why don't you readthe first one?

(16:52):
I think that's Kurt Tillman.

Speaker 7 (16:54):
Kurt Tillman from Orlando, florida.
I listened to Joe talk aboutputting on a scenario, but he
never went back to show howoften he calls while doing a
scenario.
Could you fill in the gaps forme?
Thanks, and thank you all forwhat you guys do.
I think I read that Well.

(17:16):
First of all, about Joe nottalking about how often he calls
it depends on the situation.
Sometimes you call a lot,sometimes you don't.
That's my answer, because itdepends on the scenario you're
putting on.
Unless you talked aboutsomething, specific.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah, I think I was actually like talking about I
think I was doing a lovestraighted bull or something
like that.
And I was talking about how I,you know, do the calls and I
know everybody's asking like,well, what calls do you use, how
often, and stuff like that.
And you know you, you'll hearus talk all the time about doing

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a call and then letting itmarinate.
And so when I'll give you anexample when I killed that bull
that I called in in 22 overthere in that unit 53, beautiful
bull, and we realized that thebull was actually down, looking
at the watch we saw the tracksof the group had actually

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dropped off into a into a northface basically, type of ridge
down there and knew that theywere bedded down in there, just
because it was 10 o'clock at thetime, so we knew we were there.
So I just dropped off the edge,got a good raking stick, went
about 20 yards down off of fromthe top of the ridge so that I'm
not skylined and so I can seeanything and, it's more

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believable, those elk, becausethat's where elk will be, you
know, off on the side, like that.
So I started out just with a cowcall and basically it was like
when I did my cow calls, it wassomething like something like
that, threw it out in the airand just waited.

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Now how long do I wait At thatpoint?
And it seems like an eternityman.
Three to five minutes, right.
I think.
I waited three minutes and thenI started raking the tree and
then when I'm raking I'm alwaysadding sounds, I layer my sounds
.
So when I'm doing that likethat, I'm throwing a cow call

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out, all right, a small mew,because even bulls sometimes
when they rake, we'll put out alittle mew when they do it
almost sounds like a cow.

Speaker 8 (19:36):
Can you do those two sounds at the same time?
I am not.
I mean just kind of.
Let's make it realistic.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
So at the Western Hunt Fest I told the people I
was like I'm not able to do thesound at the same time.
So I told everybody all right,when I go down, you go.
So I went like that, and thewhole crowd like that.
I came up, you go.
So I actually started doing themotion.
They started doing the sound.
It was killer man.
It was so much fun.

(20:06):
You were videoing that too,weren't you?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, you did it in Denver, it was good man, yeah,
did it at Denver right.
Yeah, they kind of when they'reraking too, man, they'll make

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some really the real low growllike you hear them, you know, as
they're raking and they'll,they'll kind of moan and pant a
little bit too.
So I've seen them do that inthe wild and, you know, try to
mimic that when I'm raking aswell yeah, and so and then when
I do that I just let it sit.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
How long, you know?
Three to five minutes, becauseI'm listening to see if anything
is responding.
And what's funny was on thisparticular day I wasn't five
minutes into the routine when Icaught movement and then saw it
coming in.
So generally that gap in timeis just you just feel it, just
put it out in the air, listen alittle bit, because elk aren't

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constantly making those noisesall the time They'll come out
and what you've got to realizeis what's happening on the other
side.
So when you're thinking aboutwhat's happening on the other
side, when a bull hears that,that bull comes up with those
ears and those radars and he'slistening just like you would if
you heard an elk call out there.

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You're going to stop and you'regoing to listen and you're
hoping to hear it again so youcan pinpoint it and move in on
it.
Elk do the same thing that wedo.
They're hunting other elk thesame way we are, because when
they hear those sounds they'regoing to go to those sounds, but
they're going to go to them intheir time.
So you know, sometimes I willmake some cow sounds and then

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maybe a minute later I justthrow one out and then I'm going
to let it go for maybe three tofive minutes before I start my
next one.
I just want to make sure that Ihave some gaps in time, try to
keep it natural and try to letit flow like that and for how
long?
And try to let it flow likethat and for how long.
If I am doing a static setupwhere I am set up someplace

(22:08):
doing a scenario and trying topull an animal in there, it's 30
to 45 minutes when I'm doing it.
If I'm doing any kind of rutfest, I'm doing that.
If I'm doing any type ofsituation where I try to sound
like elk moving on a ridge anddo a cow pickle or something
like that, I'm going to do thatfor a length of time.

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In fact, the time that Bill,that Gil, shot his bull, I was
ready to give up on it.
30 minutes in and Gil's likewhoa bro, I think I heard
something down there and we'relike, really, you know well,
let's see what happens.
And sure enough, you know wehad a bull that he came from,
man I don't know, three-quartersof a mile away, jumps a fence,

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comes up the hill, comes rightinto us, comes over the stop and
scan spot he's about 38 outwhen he first sticks his head
over comes into about 30, standsin front of Gil and he is just
searching us out into about 30.
Stands in front of Gil and heis just searching us out.
He he even did some chucklingand bugling to try to get a
response from us.

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And, man, it was just a perfectsituation and Gil handled it
like a pro and ended up puttingthat bull.
When he shot that bull, thatbull was dead in 10 seconds.
So pretty cool.
I hope that helps you, man sopretty cool.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
I hope that helps you , man.
Yeah, that was a phenomenal.
We had to really exercise somepatience too, joe.
I mean, like you said, you'reready to bail.
And I heard a log down thereget kicked, you know, I was like
, oh, and I thought I heard himgrowl, was like, and I'm like,
joe, do one more lost cow call.
And then he blew up.
And that was when you were like, oh well, maybe we'll stay here
another minute or so.

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It got closer and closer andcloser and then you just got to,
you know, you got to checktheir temperature and then, like
it would have been easy for usto turn around and leave.
You know, had we had done that,we would have never got that
opportunity.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Bro, I just got to tell you, man, it's really.
You look like you're out of oneof them horror flicks, because
when you come in it's like wesee this dark thing and then we
start to see some shadows fromthe face.
Sounds like a ghost.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
I don't know why it's doing that, but it does.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, I'll take number two, taylor Jackson from
Kansas City, missouri.
Hey guys love your show.
I'm planning a scouting triphere in July.
For my hunt in Colorado.
Is July too early?
Will there be any benefit andwhat should I be looking for?
Michael, have you gone scoutingin July?

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I have.
I've put up cameras.
I'll tell you my experience andI'll also put a little asterisk
on that being that I am anovice hunter as far as I'm
concerned, gotten lucky a fewtimes, but I'd rather be lucky
than good.
But when I put out cameras andI go out, I see elk and every
day there's elk on those cameras.
And then I go out and theseason starts and there aren't
elk where I'm hunting.

(25:03):
So that's my experience withgoing out then and why I've
stopped putting out cameras,because I get so excited and
then I it's a big crash for mepersonally, um, so the elk are
doing something different thanthey would be in september.
Is is my experience, um, andI'll let the experts the other
girls.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Let me ask you though , bro, what?
What elk were you seeing oncamera?
Cows, cows, bulls, what wereyou seeing?

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Everything, everything.
We put up cameras.
We saw and these cameras wereat 10,000 feet in the mountains.
We saw antelope, we saw bear,we saw turkey, we saw fox, we
saw mule, deer, does bucks, wesaw elk Literally everything you
could imagine.
We were like this is going tobe the greatest hunting season
we've ever had.
Like we had photos every daywith herds walking through.

(25:46):
When putting up the cameras, aherd of 40 bulls split us and
just ran around us.
We're like this is amazing,this is the coolest.
Like how can we not killsomething here, dave?
I think the week before seasonstarted, every single camera
went dead and we didn't seeanything the entire season long
and that was the same season.

Speaker 8 (26:07):
I also fell and hurt my back.
My dad is not out of battery,it's yeah, no activity,
absolutely no activity at all.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Four cameras, nothing .
So it was a huge surprise.
So that's, that's my experience, but I'll tell you I'm I'm
still learning, so what?
I'd love to hear what you guysthink well, I don't even own a.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
I've never even used a camera myself, ever.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
They're fun, but they're misleading.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, and I you know the whole July thing.
It depends on what type of elkyou're scouting.
I mean, if you're scouting elkthat migrate, you know, because
of conditions and stuff likethat you have large migration
areas, then that's a whole lotdifferent than some of the areas

(26:53):
that we hunt in New Mexico,where you have a lot of resident
elk in a lot of those areas andyou know so generally, you know
you can locate feed areas, youcan locate bedding areas, you
can locate, you know travelroutes that they like to use in
those areas and in doing thatyou're already giving yourself a

(27:16):
heads up.
Like you know, we have.
We've been hunting unit 53 forthe last few years and they had
a horrible wind event that camethrough there and it looked like
, honestly, like a nuclearexplosion.
Just laid trees down.
It was unbelievable To getthrough.
That was unbelievable.

(27:37):
But as the years have gone theelk have discovered what routes
they use and what's so coolabout an event like that.
It's kind of like rock slides,man.
So if you had a big side of amountain, my voice sounds like
I'm going through puberty orsomething here.
This is funny.
If you have a big side of a bigside of a mountain.

(27:58):
If you have the big side of amountain and it's all rock slid
on there, you're not going to belooking for elk in that rock
slide, right?
You know that's someplace.
That isn't going to happenthere.
And when you have areas thatare just super blown down, where
elk are not, you know it'sgoing to be extremely difficult

(28:19):
for them to get through.
You know you don't have toworry about looking in those
areas, right?
So where are you looking?
Well, you're trying to findthose areas where they can get
through those types of windevent areas or blowdowns.
You're looking for how they getaround them to get to the feed
that they want the areas.
Now, they might bed down nextto some of those areas without

(28:42):
going inside them.
We even found some places whereyou know you might have extreme
blowdown.
You have some areas where it'snot so bad and that became their
alleyway in some of that.
So when you can discover thingslike that, you start to be able
to piece things together.
Now, when I scout Michael for me, I really want to know the road

(29:04):
and trail system, right?
That is huge to me, because ifI know that I you know I have so
much more knowledge on how Ican get to a place.
You know I can actually checkthose as I get in because when I
get to season, my first day,two days is pretty much hunt

(29:26):
scouting.
It's pretty quick, it's prettyaggressive.
I'm covering a lot of country.
I'm looking on roads, lookingfor track that's going through
places, I'm looking for trailsthat are getting hit.
I'm looking for those types ofthings and doing that so that I
can start to piece togetherwhere the animals and what
they're using and then we canstart going inside, you know, on

(29:48):
those places.
And okay, if we have elk trails, you know you can take a look
and man, you know, on X has justchanged the game right Because
you can look and you can tell.
All right, so where are theycoming from?
The probable bedding, where'sthe probable feed that's
happening in there?
So that starts to happen.
So when the guy says it's july,too early if you haven't hunted

(30:10):
an area man, it's a perfectchance to get in there and to
actually just get yourselfacquainted with the area.
Where are the roads, where arethe water?
Where are the trails?
And when?
I'm saying trails, yes, humantrails as well, but I'm actually
looking for areas that are elkfeatures, that are maybe saddles

(30:32):
, that are pinch points, thatare areas from one place to
another where elk it want toconserve as much energy as
possible, so they want to usethe passive lease resistance

(30:52):
just like we do.
Again, they are so much like us.
So these are things to remember.
And if you're seeing bulls oncams because you're putting them
out in July, I wouldn't getexcited about that because
that's not where they're goingto be in September.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, I think that's exactly right, joe.
I'll say looking for animalsJuly, not what I would recommend
, but what I can say is goingout and just learning the
landscape has done a lot for me,in fact.
I went out this last season,went out with a buddy and we
were seven hours of hiking andyou have this perfect line

(31:29):
plotted on the topo and thesatellite.
It looks so great and then youfind out that's a seven hour
hike to go, four miles becauseit's blowdown right.
That happened to us last year.
We got in there and we're likethis is the worst experience
we've ever had.
But we heard a chainsaw and wewe follow the chainsaw.
It turns out it was an oldtimer who built the secret path
and so now we can get back therein half an hour, when
previously it took us sevenhours.
Now that's a perfect scenariowhere you find somebody who's
like making a trail for you,right, but you learn the, you

(31:52):
learn the land and you will bemore effective in the hunting
season, regardless of whether ornot you're finding animals,
because they may or may not bethe ones that'll be there in
september you know, joe, wehunted our first time in
Colorado and we didn't know thatright.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
You and RC made some scouting trips and stuff like
that, but just to the generalareas where they camp, right, we
didn't necessarily go intoareas that we hunted.
And I stayed up probably two ofthose nights most all night
trying to figure out a way forme and RC to get to an area that
we knew the elk were in and itwasn't so hard to hike into,

(32:31):
because some of it was prettyhard, right, and I ended up
killing a bull in a place thattook us half a day to get into.
But if we wouldn't have gottento know where we were at, it
took me all day to get into it,right.
So we spent a lot of time, youknow, analyzing the on-ex data
and ended up finding a way,easier route, to get up there,

(32:55):
to those two wallows where wewere at, and we can hunt there
every day, not a problem, but ittook a lot of time to do that.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
So I think this and I can tell you, luis and manana,
when they went, you know, earlyon, they were actually just
trying to identify at whatelevation they were finding the
elk 10 600 feet very specific,exactly 642 feet, to be exact.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
We went back there three years later same place,
same place, same place, sameoutfit.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
A quick side note on that, joe is like sometimes
you'll get caught inside of themblowouts.
One way or another they willsuck you in, in and then you'll
find yourself trying to navigatethrough it and and taking hours
to get out of it for somereason.

(33:50):
But uh, it was amazing to seethere.
Sometimes there was elk signwithin those blowdowns and
you're like how in the world arethey capable of getting through
this?
You know and they can.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah, they live there.
They find the routes right.
They're amazing.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
Yeah, they're not in a hurry.

Speaker 8 (34:17):
Good question.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Yeah, real good question.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Well, guys, you know what time it is.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
Shout out, shout out time.
Shout out question.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Well, guys you know what time?

Speaker 5 (34:30):
it is just a few cities with the most listeners
topping our charts this week joeyeah, but look, man, um gill I
know, dude and I apologize topeople out there I know we
usually find those cities wehaven't talked about.
Um, that's kind of how we dothe shout outs, man.
You wouldn't believe the listof cities that we've already
given shout outs in the lastfour years.

(34:52):
It is.
It's amazing.
Yeah, it's crazy.
I just looked at the heat mapjust from this last month of the
different cities and thelisteners.
First of all, all you guys outthere that listen.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
It's amazing.
When I look at where all thosedots are filling up all the way

(35:13):
across the United States, itjust makes me shake my head.
But and we are going todefinitely get back to you guys
next time, but today, what Iwant to do today is I want to
thank our top five listeningcities because, man, you guys
are always rocking it and it'stime to give y'all a nod, man.

(35:34):
So these are the top five sincethis last time and, man, these
guys are always up in the topall the time and I and it was
really cool to see our own, ourown 505, in the top five.
In fact, fifth on the list, the505 Albuquerque, new Mexico so

(36:00):
proud of our Hentai man.
Thank you for listening.
Fourth, and I don't know, gilman, I don't know, you know,
texas Just huge.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Hey man, Big D's showing out.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Big D, dallas, texas.
In the fourth position, thirdposition, up there in Utah, Salt
Lake City, man, man, they'realways always up there in the
tops, yep.
And second, the second of thebig ones that listen, the other
big d, denver, colorado.

(36:39):
And and I'll tell you this, man, hey, dallas, I'm Dallas, I'm
throwing the gauntlet down.
Denver always is above Dallasin the listenies.
Man, too cool.
Huh, that's too cool.
Yeah, I want to see some.

(36:59):
And this week's number onedrumroll please.
And this is amazing.
I couldn't believe this man andgreat place to fish, great
community Did not expect thisand the amount of listenings
that are coming from here,salida, colorado, you guys.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (37:24):
Joe, please, what Don't ever say Salida again.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Why, bro?
That's how we say it here, man.

Speaker 8 (37:33):
It's wrong.
Salida, it's wrong.
Salida means exit.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
But in Colorado.

Speaker 8 (37:40):
No, no, please don't.
It's a Spanish word.
Don't say Salida, it soundslike saliva man.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
That's not how Colorado towns work, Luis.
We say them however we want.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
You guys, that's wrong.

Speaker 7 (37:52):
You're not wrong, that's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
This is a point.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
And you know I'm sorry we offended the Latin.
You know Culture Right.

Speaker 8 (38:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
But Salida, Salida.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, In Colorado it is Salida.
I'll tell you that.
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Well, amarillo, come on y'all.

Speaker 8 (38:16):
Yeah, hey, joe, do you mind if I interject real
quick on shout outs man?
Yeah, real quick on on shoutouts man.
Um, you know I I often getemails about people asking for
for you know, having questionsabout arrows and stuff like that
man and, uh, I want to give ashout out to uh mr jess nail.
Um, he said hey, louise, justwant to say love the l bros

(38:38):
podcast and also the base camp.
I learned something every timeI listen and just enjoy the
conversation.
You guys have so much goodinformation for a novice and
experienced elk hunter.
So thank you for that man, jess.
I appreciate it.
Jess, it writes to us from andI'm going to butcher this one.

(38:59):
So see how quickly karma works.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
You don't want to become novice.
Yeah, yeah, definitely tobecome novice.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, yeah, definitely not a novice.

Speaker 8 (39:09):
Tonganoxie.

Speaker 7 (39:11):
Tonganoxie.

Speaker 8 (39:12):
Kansas.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
Never heard of it.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
It's spelled T-O-N-G-A-N-O-X-I-E.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
Gilbert, have you ever been there?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
No, I don't believe I've been to Tonganoxie.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
What yeah?

Speaker 7 (39:30):
Tonganoxie.

Speaker 8 (39:32):
So, yeah, thank you, jess, man, I'll be getting back
to you here shortly.
Man, I appreciate your feedbackand you know, reaching out man
asking for questions Alwayswelcome.
I encourage everybody to dothat.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
All right, man.
So let's get started.
It is Elk Camp story time withthe bros and Michael.
We're going to just kind ofguys, we're just going to kind
of do this roundtable style.
We're going to jump in, justlike we're at Elk Camp, right
around the campfire.
In fact, I don't know if younoticed, but I think Michael
actually has a campfire in hishouse there.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yep, that's cool.
A little LED light there, yeah.

Speaker 8 (40:16):
Don't try that at home, kids.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Either that or he's got cops outside the window.
One or the other.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Well, I'll kick off the storytelling, if you guys
don't mind, and I'll start onewith maybe just a quick story
about kind of where I startedwith my podcast.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
And then we'll go to RC after you man.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Go ahead, bro, perfect, perfect, and then I'll
tell you, and you guys canchoose whether I tell you a
funny turkey story or the firstelk I killed story.
You guys can pick.
But as the first elk I killedstory, you guys can pick.
But, um, as far as my podcast,I uh, I'm a newer hunter.
I think, joe, you know thatI've only been doing this for
about a decade now.
No one in my family does it.
I just picked it up and I fellin love with it.
Um, and one day I was drivingfrom Texas to Colorado and I was

(40:58):
tired of hearing podcasts.
I mean, no offense, but I wastired of hearing podcasts like
how to right and, and everyoneloves that stuff.
I've probably listened tothousands of hours of that, but
I just wanted to hear a funstory, and every podcast has a
little bit of that, and I lovedthe banter of what you guys have
, kind of that elk camp thing,and so I want to thank you guys
for kind of inspiring me.

(41:19):
Elk Shape also inspired me, ifyou guys know that, and then
Chris Rowe, if you know him.
I was very specificallylistening to 10 Hours of White
Turkey's Gobble by Chris Rowe.
That I was like I can't do itanymore.
But I started the podcast andthe idea was basically like I
just want to hear great stories.
I want to hear them every day,and that's what my podcast is is

(41:47):
a new hunter every week tellingtheir favorite stories, whether
it's because they were fulldraw on a bowl and their bowels
released themselves, or becausetheir father passed away and it
was a very sentimental story.
So the last time they everhunted with their father or
their grandfather or whatever itis, I've had lots of grown men
in tears just telling the thingthat's the most important to
them.
So it's been really fun.
I've been at it for three years.
I encourage everyone to checkit out.

(42:08):
But, that being said, do youboys want to hear a pretty funny
texas turkey story?
Or the first time I ever killedan elk, which was actually last
year?

Speaker 8 (42:18):
this, I would say start with a funny story man
well, I'm only gonna give youone.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I'm gonna give you one, but, but just because I
don't want to take all night, wewant both, all right?
Well, we'll start with theturkey story.
So I'm hunting in New Braunfels, texas I know several of you
are probably familiar with thatand I have a buddy and actually
he on Facebook he was just aFacebook group.
Hey, does I don't hunt, doesanyone want to teach me?

(42:42):
And I'm like yeah, I'll teachyou.
I take this guy out hog huntingone time and we hit it off.
We decided we're going to befriends.
He works in constructionindustry.
He's like hey, we got a jobsite that's right on this river.
There are turkeys everywhere.
Do you want to go hunt this?
Can you show me how to huntturkeys?
I'm like absolutely, man, let'sgo hunt turkeys.

(43:09):
He's like like there are somany turkeys, you'll love it.
And I'm like give me theaddress, I'll show up here with
your work site and let's go downand do it.
So he gives me the address andI go there and I'm sitting there
at the gate the morning of that.
We're gonna go hunt someturkeys.
And I get a call from him andhe's like where are you?
And I'm like I'm sitting at theaddress you gave me.
He's like I'm lost and I'm likewhat do you mean?
You're lost, this is your job.
Like I'm, I'm at your place ofwork, which kind of sets the
tone for the whole story, right,so I'm sitting there and I'm
locked out.
I can't get in until he getsthere.
But he eventually shows up.

(43:31):
We pull into the constructionsite and there are, I mean, more
turkeys than I've ever heard inmy life.
Every direction gobbles goingoff.
It's all private land in Texas,so like no one has access to
anywhere near here.
And so there are just, it feels, like, thousands of turkeys.
It's like the most impressiveI've ever been.
Just opening my car door, justturkeys going off.
But that being said, it's alittle late to be getting

(43:53):
started if they're alreadygobbling like crazy.
Right, either way, jump out ofthe car, grab my decoys, grab my
little blind, which is justlike one of those blinds.
That's uh, I don't know twofeet tall, about eight feet long
piece of cloth, kind ofsomething you just kind of sit
behind, right, yeah, so there'sa deer feeder.
So we run over the deer feeder,knowing the turkeys probably

(44:13):
will come to that at some pointI set up my decoys and we set up
the little blind.
Nothing Got my little slatecall.
Nothing Got my slate call.
Nothing, like literally nothing.
We're sitting there.
The sun comes up, birds getquiet and I'm like, well, that
was the most anticlimactic thingI've ever experienced in my
life.
Like I cannot believe I've gotmy bow, he's got a shotgun.

(44:36):
We're like what just happened?
Like how is that possible?
So we get up.
It's so late that we're likethe birds are probably all
somewhere else.
Let's just walk around theproperty, check out what we see
and then get out of here.
So we walk around, nothinghappens.
We walk back to our trucks andanother truck comes in.
Mind you, this is basically abig rectangle On the top left
end of the rectangle.

(44:56):
You come in, you drive down theside of the property.
About halfway you cut into themiddle and we're on the right
side of the property where we'reparking.
So we're sitting there at thecars eating lunch and this truck
rolls up with like five, fiveworkers, four Mexican guys and
like the the boss, I would guess.
I'm not really sure, but theygo.
Hey, there's a bunch of turkeysover there, you guys turkey

(45:17):
hunting.
We're like, yeah, we're turkeyhunting, but those are just our
decoys, like no, there's.
There's turkeys over there.
We're like wait, you stop.
Like no way We've been sittingthere all morning.
There's no way there areturkeys sitting in our decoys.
We turn the corner, walk aroundthe big silo and, by God,
there's three toms right in themiddle of our decoys.
And we've been sitting therefor probably four hours and
we're like that's absolutelyinsane.
And I'm like, okay, they drove15 feet.

(45:40):
So I'm like here's the plan tomy buddy.
I'm like here's the plan, I'mgoing to sit on the back of the
truck with my bow.
You drive.
They didn't booger when theydrove by, so they won't booger
when we drive by, right.
So I'm like just pull up rightnext to him, stop, and I'll
shoot one.
It'll be great.
Like perfect plan.
The truck was behind, right.

(46:01):
So, right, right.
So we start driving and he goesand I'm like, all right, here we
come.
I can see the birds arrowknocked, got my release on,
ready to go, I shoot lefty.
So it's like the perfect.
It's perfect for me.
It's like it couldn't be abetter shot.
I'm just waiting for him tostop and he just keeps going and
he drives right by and I'm likewhat is going on?
Where are we going?
Like, and I just watched thesethree turkeys just get farther

(46:24):
and farther away.
He pulls behind a berm and goesokay, let's go get them.
And I'm like we just talkedabout our plan, like I could
have killed all of those turkeysIf you had just stopped.
All you do is stop the truck.
He's like, oh, so obviously I'msetting the stage for like who?
My friend is Not the brightestcrayon in the box.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Either way, but he wasn't in the back of the truck.
I just want to say you know,that's true.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, we were going two milesan hour.
So when that happens, the otherguys, the turkey, slowly
crosses the street, the dirtroad that's on this property,
over into this thick oak brush,and that other truck drives in
100 miles an hour parks, and allfive of these guys get out of

(47:09):
the truck and run after theturkeys and I'm like, what are
they doing?
Like just five guys into thewoods chasing these turkeys.
I'm like none of them, none ofthem have a shotgun, none of
them a weapon.
I'm like, well, I, I guesswe're gonna go follow these guys
.
Like I don't know what elsewe're gonna do.
So I go, we go into the woodsfollowing these guys.
Mind you, we never see any ofthem again.
They, they just left like wevanished, completely vanished.

(47:31):
So we're in there with a slatecall calling we're hearing
turkeys, we're not hearing theseguys.
I don't know what happened, butall right, let's go back, I'm
gonna pick up my stuff and we'regonna get out of here.
I was like I, I gotta go, thewife wants me, and, and so we
basically go back to where theblind is and the decoys and, uh,
I'm like you know what?
I always do this right beforeit's actually worked out for me.

(47:51):
Several times I I take mylittle slate, call out and a
gobble rips off right where wewere parked originally this is
the most insane thing I've everseen in my life.
So we, we dive behind the thelittle blind and I'm like, okay,
here's the deal.
I've never shot my bow at ananimal before.

(48:13):
So, like, if I miss, I'm like,have your shotgun ready.
And I'm like, but I need you tocall it in.
So I call it halfway and then Ihand the slate, call over and
I've taught him how.
So he's calling and that birdcomes in on a line, probably
probably 300 yards right to thedecoys.
He gets his head behind likethe small little arm of the
feeder.
I pull back, my arrow, fallsoff the knock.

(48:36):
So I've just got a danglingarrow on my wrist and I'm like,
oh my God.
And so the bird is over thereand I look at my buddy and he's
just zoned in on this bird andI'm just like trying to get his
attention because I can't drawagain because the bird's head is
out.
So eventually he realizeswhat's going on and he lays down

(48:57):
belly, crawls like the six feetover to me, because it's it's
covid, it's 2020.
We didn't know.
We're like, oh, sit six feetaway, that's what we're supposed
to do.
So he crawls over to me, grabsmy arrow, puts it back right on
my string and I'm like sweet hedoesn't take his hand off.
And I'm like get your hand offof my arrow man and I'm like

(49:18):
psst, psst.
I'm just trying to get hisattention to be like come on man
, like let go of my arrowbecause I will break your
fingers.
He finally realizes what'sgoing on.
Let's go.
That bird's still sitting thereat about 15 yards and I let her
rip.
Um, I won't say it was a goodshot, but it hit it right in the
neck, basically took the headoff, was not a like.
That was not the intended shot.

(49:39):
I was aiming body, but the birdwent down immediately and there
we go I've got my first archerykill ever.
Um, so that's one of myfavorite stories, because it's
just like everything that couldhave gone wrong possibly did, uh
, but somehow it still workedout for me.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
So that's one of my favorite.
He's had that issue with aknock before um actually that's
a strand.

Speaker 7 (49:59):
Tell so oh, is it?
You want me to go next?

Speaker 5 (50:04):
yeah, that's a good segue, man because I'm perfect,
okay.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
So you know, uh, first of all, I uh, when joe and
I were hunting, after a coupleof days, if we didn't really get
see a lot of sign, we'd splitup and go different ways.
So on this particular morning Igot up and waited till about
sunrise because I was ready togo out in the dark and I thought

(50:30):
I might get lost on the roads.
So I took the four-wheeler outfor a half-hour drive.
My destination was a pond in aplateau area that's surrounded
by trees.
So you know, I drove to an areawhere I was going to park and
walk to it.
So the first thing I do is kickmy leg over, you know, getting

(50:53):
off the four-wheeler, and Iimmediately get a cramp.
So I fall to the ground and I'mkind of riding in pain there
for a few minutes till mymuscles relax.
So I didn't know at that timethat was going to foreshadow the
day I was going to have, butanyway, drinks the night before,
I think so, anyway, I startwalking down this hill and it's

(51:15):
a pretty good arroyo like thisand when I get to the bottom of
it I see some tracks going downthis game trail.
So I said, well, I can maybemake it a shortcut, go that way,
and then cut up and go up ontop of the plateau and find that
lake and maybe catch the elkgoing to their beds.
So I follow that trail for awhile.

(51:37):
Then it opens up into aU-shaped canyon and it kind of
reminded me of a of a story onone of louis lamore's books.
It's a beautiful little uh boxcanyon that just goes on for a
while.
Uh, the grass is about up to myknees.
There's a little creek I don'tknow if you call it a creek or

(51:59):
stream, it's only about thatwide but it goes right down the
middle of it.
The grass is almost up to myknees, but on the sides it goes
straight up.
So there's no way to to climbit.
And it rivals 53, because ifyou want to climb one of the
sides where I was at when Ifirst started, I'd have to go on
my hands and knees and thatwasn't going to happen.

(52:21):
So I just walked down a littlebit further and I got to a point
where I could see up ahead thatthe sides of the canyon were
coming out at a gentler slopeand I said, oh, there's my
opportunity to get up on top andcheck things out.
So I got to an area where Icould see some where the dirt

(52:43):
had been kicked up and stuff.
So I figured well, that's theplace right there, that's the
trail.
That's the trail the elk aregoing up and down.
Because when I was walking downI saw several beds on the grass
, I saw some track, I saw somedropping, so I knew it was a
place that the elk frequent and,like Joe said previously, you
know they take the path of leastresistance, so I knew it was

(53:03):
going to be an easy trail,possibly.
Previously, you know they takethe path of least resistance, so
I knew it was going to be aneasy trail, possibly.
So when I got to the bottom ofthe trail I could see it was
really worn.
The cattle probably used it too, and it was an incline that was
pretty gentle.
It started going this way forabout 20 yards, then it switched
back and went this way forabout 20 yards, then switched

(53:24):
back.
So it kept going like this tothe top and I said, oh perfect,
I'm not even going to sweatgetting to the top and then
getting to my destination.
So I took two steps and I sawsome movement and I looked up
and here comes a bull on thattrail.
So I'm like, oh wow, and I wasgoing to count the horns, but I

(53:44):
learned a long time ago nevercount, just look at the kill
zone.
So I got off the trail and Iknocked an arrow and when he
made his first switchback he wasonly going to be about 35.
So I drew back, put my 30 pin alittle high and I heard a
little clink.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Oh no, a little high and I heard a little clink and I
looked down and my arrow hascome off the rest and I go what?

Speaker 7 (54:12):
and you know how hard it is to to go back.
So I go back and I pick up thearrow and I want to put it.
And I go, it doesn't have aknock.
And I look at the string andthe knock.
The knock is on the string.
So I got to take the knock offthe string.
I put the arrow down gently, Iget another arrow out, I knock
it and by this time he's hit theswitch back and he's coming the

(54:34):
other way.
And the reason I'm able to drawis because the way it was set
up it was just perfect.
It was like one of those ducks,uh, shooting, uh little things
they have at the circus andcarnivals and stuff like that.
And there's trees for he has togo behind so I can draw back
without ever being seen.
So I draw back again and nowhe's at.

(54:55):
He's at 30.
So I'm looking at 30 and I hearclink and the same thing.
So I pull out the third arrowdrawback and I look, I said, oh
no.
And it clicked and droppedagain.

(55:16):
So I put the arrow there, andnow he's going to come back.

Speaker 8 (55:19):
Wait how many times?

Speaker 7 (55:19):
is that already, Jeff ?
Three times that was the thirdtime.
Yeah, and he switches back againand I pull the last arrow,
because I always told myself allyou need is one arrow.
But anyway, I pull the lastarrow and just got a blunt at
the end oh my God, and I justput it down like that.
And that elk was going to walkright there and I went boo and

(55:42):
he took off.
So that was my very similar towhat you experienced.
I had just bought those arrowsthere were double x75s and I had
just put the nocks on and Ireally hadn't tested them.
I said I'll save my good arrowsfor that, for the hunt, and
just shoot my old arrows forpractice.
So you know, live and learn soso that was an adventure for

(56:05):
sure.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
The best lessons are self-taught.
I can't believe you got fourarrows out with that bull not
spooking.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
That's a great story.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
I mean, it was like the perfect situation and I knew
the yardage.
You know it wasn't.
You know, crazy, crazy times.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
So I just want everybody to know that we
accomplished a world recordtoday.

Speaker 8 (56:28):
Yes, I know what that record is.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yes, yeah, I was actually thinking that at the
beginning I was like this isalready my favorite episode of
the Outbros ever, Absolutely.
Because, Leroy has talked morethan he's ever talked before.

Speaker 9 (56:43):
Yes, I wanted to talk about Mr Chavez, the ninja
there to go with what he justsaid.
So I watched it happen in frontof me.
Same kind of scenario, man, Imean, and he had just watched me

(57:04):
kill the biggest bull I killed.
And, uh, we had I think wecalled in seven bulls that
morning and I killed a reallybig bull and we didn't even know
he was dead yet.
I knew he fell over and wecould hear him gurgling.
And about that time I call inanother really big, six by six
for chav and, like I don't know,25, 28 yards.

(57:27):
He dropped us and he haddropped on a cow and let down on
it because we had the bullcoming in.
He dropped on a cow and letdown on it.
And what we didn't look at iswhen he let down, his knock
pinched forward on the string.
So when he drew back the nexttime on the bull, the block was

(57:47):
not on the arrow, right, it was,it just barely slipped off.
So when he, when he, the bullstanding there, 25 yards, like
give it to me right, I meanbroadside, it shoots nothing, it
sounds like a 22 going on, itsounds like a 22 going on and
the arrow just goes rightunderneath, right in front of

(58:09):
the bull and he looks down atthe arrow and he looks over
there at us and he looks backdown at the arrow and he looks
back at Chab and I look at Chabin the string, everything's
blowing up on the bull.
I'm like, oh, my gosh man.
And to make matters worse,worse, we called him back like
three times.
You know, um, and I just wejust kept messing with him.

(58:33):
I'm thinking, well, maybe weget, maybe we'll get his bow put
back together and we got thestring back on, but we didn't
have the cable guide and thatcable cable guy broke off the
cable guy broke off.
So when he drops back the nexttime to shoot the same bull, now
, when he drops back the nexttime, he goes out of the arrow

(58:55):
when he sends it because there'sno cable.
So, yeah, man, I watched thatunfold.
It was just horrible.
But man, what a day we hadcalling in bulls.
Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 7 (59:04):
That's a long time, but man what a day we had
calling in bulls yeah it was fun.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
That's a good story Well, chavez had.
We're riding on thefour-wheeler and somehow the
branch of an oak brush and he'scarrying his bow with him and
the branch goes in, catchesright between the axle and the
string as it pulls and nextthing, you know, wham it just.

(59:28):
You know it just rolls thatcable right off the axle and
just blows it up.
So you know, we're up at thetop of the mountains, we're on a
hunt, we don't have anything.
And you're like well, you know,I've seen how bow presses work.
So we just got us in inside ofan oak brush grove where they're

(59:50):
, you know, there's a bunch ofthem growing in the way our oak
brush.
You know the taller oak brushthat goes up about eight, 10
feet.
That's real close together.
You know, all the trunks areabout that big around and stuff.
So we just took a come alongand put it on one and got his
bow and put it between a coupleof them that were there and just
started cranking on the handleand actually made a bow press

(01:00:12):
out of the oak brush grove andgot his bow fixed so he could on
again.
You know, always chav manStories like that is too much.
Rc, knox, knox, I want to hearRC have a five-minute record.
Man, you got to unmute yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
While we're waiting for an unmute, gil tells us a
story on my podcast, episode one, where RC first off.
He does a great RC impressionand a great Carl Gamich
impression.
Thank you, Gil, for that.
You tell the story about whenthe bull gets to two yards from
you and RC yells what are yougoing to do?
Let it bleep us, let it go.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
You're going to let him do something.
You're going to let him dosomething.

Speaker 9 (01:01:01):
You're going to let him do something.
He says do something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Oh my God.
I think he says do something.
Oh my God.
That is, I think, about thatstory all the time.
So, uh, I'm, I'm excited tohear what your story RC, because
uh, obviously you've got some,some character here.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
Oh well, I could keep you entertained all night, I
could, you know.
But I think I think I'll tellthe one on Sean and the spike.
But we're in 48 and we'rehunting up there and I do a

(01:01:48):
little bit of cow calling andwe're kind of up on a little
ridge and if you look downthere's a little opening and
it's oak brush and it's realactually guiding.
So it's just Sean and so I do alittle calc on and here comes a

(01:02:12):
spike, comes walking throughthis little opening down below
us and I'm going, yeah, lookythere, you know.
And he's like, yeah, okay, soanyway he takes and he drills
him at probably 25, 30 yards.
It's a good shot, but it's sothick that I'm going to have to

(01:02:36):
fight the oak brush just to tryto get down to where the animal
was.
And so I told him, I said youstay right here.
And so I told him, I said youstay right here, I'm going to go
down and see if I can find thearrow or blood or something, to
where we know we got a good shotor what's going to go on Right.
So I get down there, finallyget down there, and I look back

(01:03:00):
up and he's he's there and he's,he's pointing to me to the left
, you know, and so I go a littlebit to the left, you know, and
I'm kind of going looking andyou know, and sure enough I find
blood man.
I'm all pumped so I tell him,come on down, come on down, you
know.
So I wait for him and he'scoming down.
So I'm in dog hound mode, I'mlooking for blood man and I've

(01:03:29):
got my nose on the ground andI'm just going like this and
he's right behind me, you know,and he goes bear.
And I said yeah, we've got lotsof blood.
We've got lots of blood.
He goes, no bear.
And I look up and there's thisgreat big bear and he's on the
blood trail standing straight uplooking at us.

(01:03:51):
And it was so funny because weboth hit each other at the same
time and ran the oppositedirection of this bear just took
, you know, and we're runningside by side, and I went, oh
wait, a minute, don't you have abear license?
And he goes, yeah, so we.

(01:04:13):
And it was so funny because itwas like this bear standing
there, like you know, and weturned around like huh, we got a
bear license, you know, andthis bear goes, oh shit.
Boom, I'm like huh, we got abear license, you know, and this
bear goes, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
That's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Lots of different adventures with him shooting out
of a blind.
You know that story.
How far did you run theopposite direction before you
realized you had a bear tag toturn around and actually shoot
that thing?

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
Probably five steps, ten, I don't know, five or ten
steps.
I mean, you know we were tryingto outrun each other because,
you know, the deer couldn't eatone of us.
Like all of a sudden I went, ohwait a minute, Don't you have a
bear list?
All of a sudden I went, oh waita minute, Don't you have a bear
list?
Like, yeah, and what was thefunniest part was when we
stopped and turned around, thatbear was like, oh no, you know,

(01:05:14):
because he didn't have any fearwhen we were close to him.
But when we got right, you know, when we stopped, he took off.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
He's like, no, I don't want no part of these guys
, I assume because you said youwere just on the blood trail, I
assume you guys found that spikepacked it out.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
Yeah, we went back in ready for the bear.
I don't know that the bearmight have actually been right
there on it, because it wasn'tprobably 10, 15 yards from where
that bear was and that spikewas on the ground.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Michael Gilbert likes bears.
He really likes them.
He likes to find them in thewoods.

Speaker 9 (01:06:03):
Negative.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Brown bears, teddy bears, all, all the bears
negative, bro.

Speaker 9 (01:06:09):
Um, me and bears got a kind of a pact.
Me and chav got real nose tonose with a giant one on one of
my kills.
I I thought I left my hat atthe kill site and I think he ate
it because he was pissed off.
Um and the, the hat was notthere but the bear was.
And when chab and I got there,we kind of walked around this

(01:06:31):
little corner and I don't thinkhe and I even thought about
there being a bear there.
But I promise you from now onI'm checking from half a mile
away, uh, when I walk up to one,because when we walked through
there, this big giant boar bear,uh was walking in at the same
time and I don't know, chav, howfar do you think he was from us

(01:06:52):
when we discovered him?

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
Oh gosh, I'd say easily within 75,.
You know, 50 yards Pretty close.

Speaker 9 (01:07:01):
Yeah, and he just kept coming, and I mean coming,
and I'm like, oh my.
And then he got angry andbumped his jaws at us and closed
the distance really fast andbluff charged us.
Well, you know, I know betternot to run.
And I got angry.
I didn't have anything but agrunt tube with me and a pocket

(01:07:22):
knife.
You know bitch style for sure,if he's eating me he's gonna eat
all of me.
And uh, I got kind of angry.
And chav, I looked over to chavand chav, don't cuss, man.
I'm telling you him, say onecuss word in my life.
And he starts going.

(01:07:44):
He looks over at me, he goes,god damn it.
He starts walking around andI'm like he just cussed.
You know, this is a bad deal.
That better got up on thefloors.
And I'm I'm like this is it,this is the moment of truth, man

(01:08:05):
.
And he just he turned.
But he turned away from us andtook off running.
And I turned and look, chad wasgoing in and I'm like I'm going
to run, man.
I got like four-wheel drive todo, but I promise you my horse
was running.
Then after that bear ran theother direction and I told Chad.

(01:08:25):
I said you know what?
That old bear.
Maybe he was full of that oldelk meat and guts and stuff like
that.
But I said I don't know ifthat's my spirit animal or what,
dude, but here's the deal.
He gave me a pass here in NewMexico.
So all New Mexican bears andreally US bears get a pass from

(01:08:46):
Big O.
I'm not killing one Now.
If I go to Canada, canadianbears might be on the hit list,
but American bears get a pass.
They gave me a pass.
So, yeah, I try to stay clearof them, man, but I've had some
really close encounters withthem, elk hunting, and generally
they've given me a pass andthey didn't have to.

(01:09:08):
That one for sure didn't,because he was pissed that we
were there by his kill site.
You know, um, but not I'llnever forget the sound of those
jawless pumping together andeverything.
You're in the presence ofsomething that can and will eat
you.
It is an humbling experience,you know.
Yeah, um, I've never hunted inafrica, but being around an

(01:09:30):
african lion or a pride of life,you know, I said I've never
been in africa.
I have been in africa but Ihaven't hunted there.
We actually safari, just photosafari, and you know they fed
the lions when we went in thereand I missed the guy driving the
the jeep, I said hey, man,y'all gotta y'all got any kind
of weapons in here.
Oh no, we don't allow weaponsinside the concession.

(01:09:50):
I looked at him and I went weain't got no weapon in here.
He goes.
Oh no, he goes, they won't gocrazy.
We just fed them, said I ain'tworried about them going crazy,
I I'm worried about them goinglying.
That's what they do.
They eat big old, big target,you know.

(01:10:11):
And I'm with another guy namedMike Albertson, a real close
friend of mine.
He's 6'9" Big old boy man.
We're like we love eatingsteaks, you know.
So I said, man, I'm not worriedabout them going crazy, I'm
worried about him going lyingand he goes.
No, we fed him really good.
When you're in the presence ofsomething that can eat you, it's

(01:10:31):
awfully humbling.
You know how do you guys huntthese brown bears and stuff like
that and get up close andpersonal with them and shoot
them with a bow?
Man, it takes a specialindividual to want to be that
close to death.
You know, because they do itfor a living.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
yeah, yes, I've had.
I've had a few on my podcast afew brown bear stories.
Every single one of them hairon the back of my neck is
straight up.
They're always terrifying.
One gentleman, his dad and him,got jumped in alaska, like a
hundred miles from anything, andwhile shooting the bear as they
were defending themselves, heshot himself in the leg.

(01:11:10):
It was just a crazy story yeahjust absolutely crazy.
I think they shot the bear 20times before it fell on top of
him and his dad had to get thebear off and one of the rounds
went through his own legs.
Yeah, see, I'm out man, I'm outhis own legs yeah see, I'm out,
man, I'm out yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:11:27):
I'm going to test my look.
I'm.
You know, I've faced death andyou know five fights and all
this other stuff, brother,tempting fate.
When you stand in front of afreight train, the train's going
to win sooner or later, right?
So I'm going to stand in linefor some brown bear that I've
eaten.
Dude, that's just part of whatthey do.

(01:11:49):
You can't fault them.
You know that's what they do.
I'm not getting in line forthat.
So all good on them.
Bear hunters, congratulations.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
Too much dude, Y'all.
Just see them around a snaketoo, man, it's hilarious.

Speaker 9 (01:12:07):
Yeah, I'm good with all snakes that are not
poisonous.
I don't know what to do with it.
Man, if it's poisonous, it'sgoing to meet its maker.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
Luis man, what you got bro?

Speaker 8 (01:12:21):
I don't know what story y'all want me to tell man.
Anyone that come to mind.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
They're your stories.
How can they come to your mind?

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Isn't that a funny question.
I get that every single time onmy podcast.
I'm like, all right, well, whatdo you got?
And they're like, well, what doyou want to hear?
And I'm like I don't know you.

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
Tell them the story of your first bow kill, brother,
here's one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
You've told this on my podcast, luis, which is when
you and Manano first met and youwere introduced to each other
and the first time I think hehad never killed anything, is
that right?
And you were the professionalhunter according to our friends
in common.

Speaker 8 (01:13:01):
Yes, to the friends in common.
You were the professionalhunter.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Yeah, I think that's a great story.
I don't know if you guys haveheard that story, but it I
listened to that actually likeyesterday, just to make sure I
was caught up and it's a.
It cracks me up and it'sprobably not as good without
manano like giving his two cents, but uh, right here just
one-sided no, yeah, it was.

Speaker 8 (01:13:21):
It was.
You know, he never actuallykilled anything.
And and that weekend, you know,I showed up and and just as we
were leaving, I had never killedanything with my bow either and
and you know, some hops hogshappened to come across and he
shot one and I found it.
So you know, all his friendsthat knew that he had been
hunting for a long time theywere like, yeah, we all know

(01:13:42):
that louise killed it and he'sjust letting you take credit for
it you know so um, that was, uh, yeah, that was a cool, uh cool
experience there.
Uh, but, yeah, man, um, Iactually I I think there's one
that we haven't told here in awhile, but, um, but man, you
know, as we were talking aboutbear, you know we were walking,

(01:14:08):
we were it was, it was JoeManano and I.
We were walking through what wecall the squeaky forest.

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
You know, in the squeaky forest and I just want
to know, out of the three, whowas leading the way.

Speaker 8 (01:14:24):
You know, unfortunately you were.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
Okay, just keep moving on.
I just want to know who theleader was at the time.

Speaker 8 (01:14:32):
Well, you know, we were just kind of letting you
gain experience.
We coach people, we sometimeslet them take lead for a little
bit, and the wind was notfavorable because we had the
wind in our faces.
So we were very at yourdiscretion, really.
But the reason why we call itthe squeaky forest is because,

(01:14:56):
man, as the wind blows, you know, those trees kind of move
around and as they rub, man,they just make it just sounds
right.
And every time that happened Iwould just like wait, did you
hear that?
Did you hear that we, we couldhave sworn those were, um, you

(01:15:19):
know, cow calls, yeah.
And so we're like, no man, it's, it's just the, it's just the
trees, right, eventually wefinally got it.
But, yeah, I kept hearing it forlike half hour and I remember
that day, joe, man, these arethe perfect conditions, you know
, we have the wind in our faceand we have the sun on our backs

(01:15:49):
, you know, and I, I, this, thisis a good, a good situation,
right?
So I'll never forget that thatwas actually, uh, one of those
memories that kind of stay inyour head, right.
And so we're walking throughthe forest and, um and uh, joe
is in front and I'm behind joe,and then manana's behind and and

(01:16:11):
manana's like there's an elk,there's an elk.
And uh, I turn around and Ilook at manana and then I looked
, I looked up and I'm like, holycrap, yeah, there's an elk, I'm
a joe, joe and joe can't hearworth of crap, man, and he's
like he just kind of stumblingthrough the woods.

(01:16:32):
You know, I'm trying to throwsomething at him, I don't care.

Speaker 9 (01:16:39):
I don't care.

Speaker 8 (01:16:41):
Yeah, he was just kind of going.
I think I had to throwsomething at him and he stopped.
I was like what?
I was like there's an elk overthere, so so he turns and then
he looks and he sees the elk andhe turns around and he goes oh
yeah, you know, and he givesthat face Right and we're like,
and so he, he goes to, he turnsaround and he sees the elk is

(01:17:04):
kind of just coming Right andJoe had been calling and stuff
like that as we were walkingthrough the woods.
The trees were calling.
So, yeah, the trees werecalling, and and then, and then
the elk is just kind of justcalm, walk right and kind of
diagonally towards us, and thenjoe is like he guesses the
situation and he goes, and thenall I see is his hand behind his

(01:17:28):
back just kind of telling me tostop.
You know, like, just hold off.
And then he, you know, I, Iwait, and then the elk keeps
coming and joe goes and turnshis hat around right before now
he was shooting his, his uh,instinctive, recurve,
semi-recurve bow that he used tohave, you know and he just

(01:17:52):
turns the hat around.
I'm like, oh boy, something'sgoing to die, you know.
So he turns the hat around, hegets that assassin look man.
And then the elk keeps coming,he just draws, boom and he
shoots right, all hell breaksloose, you, you know.
The elk just turns around, likethe elk was slightly quartering
towards, if I remembercorrectly, and I think, uh, joe

(01:18:16):
was kind of concerned about theshot placement and I'm like man,
I just I saw blood, you know,and um, and he's like man, I
don't know, and I was like, sowe kind of regrouped and we
talked about it.
I was like, okay, what was only?

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
like a 12 yard and we talked about it.
I was like, okay, what are wegoing to do?
It was only like a 12-yard shotor something.

Speaker 8 (01:18:30):
Yeah, it was pretty close, he was pretty close, and
we're like, well, you know.
So we decided it was like youknow what, man, let's just give
it time, let's just sit downhere and wait and give.
So we kind of went where thearrow was.
I think we found part of yourarrow and there was, there was

(01:18:51):
decent blood.
So we're like, you know, let'sjust, let's just, you know, sit
here, let's have something toeat, and just like, give it some
time, right?
So we, as as we found a goodspot where we were going to sit
down, I vividly remember thismoment as if it was yesterday,

(01:19:14):
because I was taking my backpackoff and I had my bow in my left
hand and I was taking mybackpack off and I'm putting my
backpack on the floor, mybackpack on the floor, and when
I, as I'm putting my backpack onthe floor and look up, I see
this just big black ball comingthrough the woods, like just
slowly pacing, kind of the sameway that elk was just, you know,

(01:19:36):
walking along, man, and I'mlike bear bear and the and Joe's
like what?
Obviously he didn't hear me.
And then and then I know andthen I was there and I'm like
bear and Joe is, joe is a bear.
It's like yeah, and he's likewhere?

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
Everything was right, Bear bear.

Speaker 8 (01:19:59):
It's so funny, man, You're always busting on me,
Bear bear where there and andJoe is like dude, dude, at that
time I remember I had like justlaid that backpack on the floor
and I was ready like drawing anda full draw, because he was
coming close and I'm like Icouldn't.
I didn't even have a time torange him, but I knew that if he

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just walked over a log, thatlog was within 20 yards.
So I was like and he's like,get ready.
And I'm already am.
So Joe turns around and he seesme at full draw, standing up
and he just kind of gets on hisknees and he takes the range
finder and uh, and as soon as itgoes over the log, man, I

(01:20:41):
remember like just I heard Ithink you said 19 or 17, and you
didn't even finish saying theyardage number, oof, I shot
right and he was also slightlyquartering towards man.
And I remember when I wasactually, when I saw the bear

(01:21:04):
and I was putting the backpackon the floor, like you know, joe
was also telling Manano to getready, and I saw the bear and I
was putting the backpack on thefloor, like you know, joe was
also telling Manano to get readyand Manano had the bow strapped
to his backpack.
And so he's turning around andtrying to get the backpack off,

(01:21:25):
to try to get the bow out, andstuff like that.
So after the shot, the bear justturns around and starts running
.
Right, joe starts cow callingafter the bear runs and I'm like
what are you doing?
It's like cow calling the bear,right.
And so he starts cow calling,the bear runs and he kind of
slows down and then he kind ofstops and looks our way and

(01:21:47):
starts walking our way and I'mlike what the heck?
So the bear just starts comingour way, straight frontal, just
walking, and then manano is nowat full draw and then manano
takes the shot and, uh, you know, the bear takes the shot the
second shot, turns around andkind of runs away and we're like

(01:22:08):
they, they x'd him, just like,yeah, we, we x'd him.
And we're like what the heckjust happened.
We're like, oh, my god, this isunbelievable.
We just shot an elk and a bearwithin 10-15 minutes, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
and so if that, bro, I mean it, it.
We were just barely waiting onthe elk and I'm telling you that
that bear came in because ofthe cow calls.
That bear was hunting that,that cow call.

Speaker 8 (01:22:36):
Yeah, and, and so we, you know, we're like, oh my,
when we had bear tags, mananoand I, so we're like what the
heck?
So we just kind of decided Iwas like just to sit down and
let it sink in and try to, oh,manano's, like when you shot the
bear.
And when the bear went runningthat way, I saw something kind

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of running from the left handside to the right hand side.
He jumped my elk and I thinkthat's the elk, you know, and
none of us saw it.
You know, he has a keen abilityto see things in the woods,
right.
So we're like, holy crap, well,I guess we'll just go check
here.
Wait for a little bit.
As we were waiting, a couplemore spikes came in, right, joe,

(01:23:17):
and they were just kind ofcurious looking at us.
It was just unbelievable.
We were surrounded by animalsall of a sudden and, uh, we just
messed with him for a littlebit and eventually, you know,
joe kind of went towards Monano,set the elk head gun and Joe
found the elk over there andthen, you know, we went back and
started looking for the bear.

(01:23:37):
But that bear man, he went along ways being next like that.
Oh yeah, he was.
So my shot kind of went likeclose to the front shoulder and
came out around the guts andmonanos kind of scratched his
eye on the left hand side andwent through through, uh,

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between the shoulder blade andthe neck and and it came out
like further out and so I mean,and that bear probably went over
200 yards, um, uh, with that inthere.
And then there was a spot wherewe found and this is a great
part of the story, right.
So we're all like kind ofscattered, look, and it took us

(01:24:18):
a while to find him.
I found a spot to where youcould see that the there was
kind of blood, but the uh, therewas a log that was being bitten
and stuff like that, almost asif the bear was kind of like a
being bitten and stuff like thatAlmost.
As if the bear was kind of likea raccoon, like it's fighting
to kind of get the arrows out orsomething you know, and it was
just tore up.
So when I find that I look upand I see this black mass

(01:24:40):
underneath a little pine treeand I'm like, oh crap, there's
the bears, right, I've neverbeen that close to a bear before
, so I'm a little scared.
I was like I go back and tellthe guys I was like the bear's
right there, man, it'sunderneath that pine tree man.
I was like oh, okay, well, andJoe was like all right, guys,
let's plan this out.
I was like I'm like okay.

(01:25:02):
So, luis, you and I, we'regoing to go over there, have an
arrow knocked and ready.
So him and I, we both have anarrow, knock, manana, you stay
by here.
You know, just like, kind oflook at it and see what happens.
You know, if he goes running,take another shot at it.
Whatever, we're just trying tofigure out how we're going to
get close right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
So Joe and I are just like A wounded bear dude.
Yes, right, I'm like oh no man,we and you just don't walk.
You know, elk, you're gonnawalk up, tap it on the.

Speaker 8 (01:25:33):
you know, yeah, that freaking wounded bear can turn
on you like in that situationyeah, yes, so we're like just
kind of going slow and he's like, and, and joe is looking at the
bear and he looks back at mejust to see if I'm behind him.
You know, and we're just kindof going slow and he's like, and
, and Joe is looking at the bearand he looks back at me just to
see if I'm behind him, you know, and we're just kind of all but
we're both scared man and we'relike what the heck?

(01:25:53):
So I'm taking the lead.

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
I'm taking the team here, right, yeah, then he.

Speaker 8 (01:25:58):
Then he grabs a little rock right and he throws.
He's like I'm just going tothrow this rock to see what
happens, get ready.
So he grabs the rock and hethrows it.
I, michael, are youright-handed or left-handed?
I am right-handed shoot leftyyou're right.
Have you tried throwing a rockwith your left hand before?

(01:26:20):
I'm sure yeah yeah, it doesn'tlook very pretty right.
It's just not very elegant.
It just comes out very feminine, like you know.
And this is like that's howthat throw look.
And the rock didn't even makeit to the bear.
We weren't out, but 20 yardsfrom it.
It just kind of.
It was comical man, that bigmass was here and that rock
landed in front, it's like.
And then he was like I'm likejoe, come on, man, what's,

(01:26:46):
what's up with this?
So I grab another rock, I throwat it and he's just like it
hits him and he turns around,it's like he's dead.
And so so we get close to it.
You know, we tap, we tap again.
I mean, it was, he wasdefinitely dead.
And man, we're just freakingcelebrating.
Now we had a, we had a situationright.
We had two big dead animals andit was just the three of us

(01:27:10):
scratching our heads and sayingwhat are we going to do, right?
So that was, we didn't haveOnyx at that time.
No, no, you found that roadright below where that bear was.
With what did you have?
You had like a little GPS.
It was like a.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
Yeah, it was one of the old, like garments or
something yeah, so we found thatroad.

Speaker 8 (01:27:34):
Luckily that road wasn't far from where the camp
was, man, and so joe went overthere to um, to, you know, get
the calvary, and in the meantimemanano and I were um butchering
, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
So here's the other thing right, these guys when
they show up to elk camp, theseguys, they're pig hunters, right
?
And they were trying to help.
Honestly, they were trying tohelp.
They found my elk while I wastrying to work everything out.
So you know we had found my elkand then was trying to work
everything out.
So you know we had found my elk, and then I left to go get the

(01:28:10):
vehicle so we could geteverything gathered up.
Well, these guys carry thesebig friggin steel knives.
They're there.
I've never seen anything likeit.
Looked like it should be goingon the shaft of a stick to be
used as a spear or somethinglike that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Crocodile Dundee, it's like you call that a knife.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
It's like one piece of steel where the handle is
like curled out of that steel tobe the handle, you know, like a
bayonet style, and I mean itstarts at their hip and it comes
down to their frigging kneeRight, and they pull out these
things, man, a machete man, andthey start, uh and, and they
said, well, we'll take care ofyour elk while you get there.
And oh, my god man, I mean theytried, honestly they tried, but

(01:28:58):
I got back in that freakingthing had been hacked and
whacked and I mean nothing butfajita meat, so un unthankful
man by the time he got back.

Speaker 8 (01:29:09):
he was so slow going to camp.
By the time they got back thebear was already gutted.

Speaker 7 (01:29:23):
And the elk we had already removed half of it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:26):
It was already quarter.
We had to make hamburger meat,bro.

Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
We had to make hamburger meat.
Half the body was quartered.
Yeah, half of it was alreadyquartered.
We had to make hamburger meat.
Bro, we had to make hamburgermeat.

Speaker 8 (01:29:37):
It was pathetic.
Next time I'm going to go getthe boys you stay behind and
take care of all that.
But yeah, man, we finally gotback to camp and then I had to
skin the whole bear and we gotto work on that elk.
But the end of that day we wereout but happy as hippos.

(01:30:00):
Man.
It was pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
Very, very amazing.
Yeah, it was quite the story,man.

Speaker 8 (01:30:09):
Yeah, I don't think that's something that's
difficult to replicate'sdifficult to replicate, you know
what I mean, just like a daylike that you can go back.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
You can go to our, um , our elk bro store, the gear.
You know, if you go to just uh,our shopify store and uh and it
has about us on there andyou'll see that photo that was
taken, all of us with the withtheir bear, and I mean I
couldn't have been prouder ofthose guys.

(01:30:35):
You know I was, you know theelk.
I'm used to killing elk man butto see the, the pure joy and
and and and these guys aftertaking that bear it was bear, it
was so cool, all of us were sopumped and it really made for a
great moment, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:30:53):
We didn't even have an elk tag.
We decided we were coming toelk camp.
I had a turkey tag and the boyshad a bear tag and we ended up
killing a turkey.
My first, miriam killed aturkey, killed a bear and we
killed an elk.
That trip so it was cool.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
Yeah, gil ended up taking a turkey killed a bear
and we killed an elk that trip.
So it was cool.
Yeah, gil ended up taking aturkey man.
Uh, it's so funny because gilsays well, if I get a turkey tag
, you think I can get me aturkey out.
And sure enough, one justwalked out there, you know, and
he put the coop degracy on it.
So it was over with.
That was a great hunt.

Speaker 8 (01:31:26):
I mean, that's one of our first hunts together and it
was pretty special it waspretty cool yeah, so now that,
yeah, I think that's such agreat story a good story to
share.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
I love it.
I love it.
I can't help but think like ifyou mess with the, you get X'd.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
How it is.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
Yeah, oh, man, and you know those guys, man.
So after I shoot mine, right,they're like arguing about the
angle of the elk and what it waswhen it was standing, and I
mean, and it's escalating, bro.
I mean it's like you know no,bro, and it's like escalating

(01:32:08):
loud.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
I'm like it was only escalating, joe, because they
wanted to make sure you couldhear, so you could make sure
that running somewhere.

Speaker 9 (01:32:24):
So look, we make, we make a lot of fun of Joee not
being able to hear, but youdon't need to we don't have to,
man, it's straight up the realthing.
You know, I I can rememberhunting with him long ago and
you know I've been so blessed tohave these guys in my corner
the last 15 years, uh, elkhunting.

(01:32:45):
But it was, I don't know, maybeyear six or seven.
It was just after crawl gamagepassed and joe and I were
hunting together and we had amorning like no other.
It was a beautiful morning, uh,we had quite a bit of moonlight
that night and it was like theopening day, I believe september
one.
And um, we, uh, we decided we'dcheck out on this East, the

(01:33:08):
West side of uh, where we werehunting, and we got turned the
bike off and we start walkingand if Joe's in front of me,
it's real hard for me to get hisattention.
Number one, he's probably like40 yards in front of me, cause
when that dude's in high gear hegot to get his legs when his
lungs warmed up, right, so, uh,but I was trying to do my level

(01:33:30):
best to stay with him and we'reeasing through the dark timber
and it's, and it's, uh what wecall that gray light, but it's
really a little bit darker thangray light, and we're going
along, man, and I look out infront of us and I see these
images moving.
And it's not aliens, man, Iknow it's not.
There's something up aheadthat's moving, you know.
And I'm like joe, stop, joe,joe.

(01:33:53):
And then he's not stopping,he's just marching right to him.
And I'm like joe, joe, joe.
Finally, man, I pick up, there'sa stick right in front of me.
I pick this stick up and Ithrow it right in the back with
it, and and he stops, and heturns around and looks I'm like
Joe, like bro, I'm like, oh, Ithink I see some elk in front of

(01:34:15):
us.
He goes, he motions to his back.
I get a lot of abuse, you knowthese guys throw rocks at

Speaker 7 (01:34:21):
me, they throw pine cones sticks.

Speaker 5 (01:34:24):
You know, I'm not taking it anymore, man, I'm not
taking it.

Speaker 9 (01:34:35):
He you know, I I'm not taking it anymore, man, I'm
not taking it like motions tohis back pocket in his backpack.
He said give me my binoculars,bro.
So I unzip and hand him hisbinoculars and maybe looks like
this and he goes yeah, that's it, that's it.
He goes close to I'm like, yeah, dude, like right there, I mean
we walked, literally walkedinto a hell of a pelt that we're

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feeding on the side of this,this black timber man on the
side of this ridge.
And he's like okay, bro, justhe goes, I'm gonna call that
lead bull in for you and you'regonna shoot him.
I'm like, no, man, we'rehunting together.
I said so we're having a fullargument in the middle of this
hunter elk, right, I said, itgoes to the left, I'm shooting.

(01:35:22):
If the elk goes to the right,you shoot him.
And he's he's like no, no, no,bro, you know we're here, I'm
guiding you.
I said, oh, bro, look, we'reboth going to be calling.
The bull goes to the right, youkill him.
The bull goes left, kill him,he goes.
Okay, fine, then he goes rightinto kill mode and, dude, that
bull looks his head up man, it'sa rag horn.

(01:35:44):
He looks his head up, dude.
And here he comes and there's abigger bull behind him, like
going up.
He opens up Tyrannosaurus rex,right.
And all of the cows now arelooking in our direction.
We are literally standing inthe middle of a break road.
We have no cover around us atall.

(01:36:06):
Right, and they got us pinned.
I mean we can't do anything.
They got us pinned.
As soon as Joe opened up withthe cow call, they had us pinned
.
And here comes this bull, likeGomer Pyle, walking into the
store.
He's, this bull's fixing to dieman.
This is his lucky day.

(01:36:27):
We're fixing to rid himself ofbeing cold and hungry ever again
, right.
And this bull decides well,he's going to turn left.
So he turns left.
I said, take him, joe.
Joe draws, bull, stops at about40 yards, nothing but net,
right.
Joe's like call the big bull infor you, get ready.

(01:36:51):
So he starts calling and thenhe drops off the ridge in front
of me and this bull gets towithin what Joe like 70, 80
yards and he just hangs up inthere with those cows and I just
cannot thread the he's veryconfident out to 75 to 80.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
His cows were walking away, so he was going with it
75 days.
His cows were walking away, sohe was going.

Speaker 9 (01:37:10):
Yeah, his cows were walking away.
We called joe, called him, wejust couldn't get him going.
And when joe dropped off heactually saw some other elk.
So he, he comes and gets meafter about 10 minutes of
playing patty cake with thatbull and, uh, the bull just
wasn't going to play ball.
So he just comes to me, goes,come on, come on.
I said, well, your bull's up,he goes, don't worry.

(01:37:31):
10 minutes of playing pattycake with that bull, and the
bull just wasn't going to playball.
So he just comes to me and goes, come on, come on.
I said, well, your bull's uphere, he goes.
Don't worry about that bull, heain't going nowhere, we'll get
him.
So we bail off.
And when we bail off, he goesright down there and there's
some elk standing in this timberdown there and we set up in the
thick.
We had the wind perfect, man,it was so cool, we had the wind
perfect.
Anyway, to make a long storyshort, he hits the cow call a
couple of times.

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This rag horn comes running.
It might have been a spike.
Huh, joe, it's either a spikeor a rag horn.
He comes running in there likehe's gang.
That's gone and he's got abuddy with him, right.
So we're like, hmm, I'm like,joe, you sure you hit that bull?
Oh yeah, we got that bull.
So that bull turns.
He turns both sides, kind ofquartering to me at 44 yards,

(01:38:12):
and Joe says shoot him for 40,man.
And I'm like, definitely, Isend it, man.
And it hits like money Bullstumbles about 35 yards and his
buddy's looking at him like heyman, what happened to you?
And the bull just falls overwith feet up.
You know, I'm telling you rightnow, dude, I've played a lot of

(01:38:32):
football.
I don't know that I've everbeen hit that hard in my life.
Dude, joe hits me like dog,piles me, and he's like it's
going to cool me, shut up, hegoes.
I watched the air go right intohim, man, it was great
jubilation and two minutes, twoballs down.

(01:38:55):
Man, it was crazy, dude, how itall jumped off.
But, um, phenomenal story,phenomenal, uh.
But it's true, joe can't hearshit.
So it's not.
We're not thinking about it,man.
A couple of me can't hear jackshit.
So we really.
The dude's a crazy elk killerwhen he came here.
He just gets him so close ifthey damn near run him over, you

(01:39:17):
know.
So, uh, just a testament towhat a freaking factor jack elk
caller this dude is.
And I'm telling you I don'tknow my brothers, but if I ever
get a chance to go hunting withmy brother, joe man, something's
gonna die this dude.
Just he calls him in likenobody else.
You know he's the very bestI've ever seen.
You know, um, we're all prettydecent callers now, but there's,

(01:39:40):
I promise you, if you line themup in camp and you get your
pick, you're gonna go with joejulia.
So phenomenal elk caller, thankyou.

Speaker 8 (01:39:50):
You can't hear for shit, you'll have to use you
need a, you need to put a shockcollar on him, you know, and
that figure.
That's probably the best way tolike get his attention, you
know, because he's going so fasttoo, stumbling through and just
like.
He's like plowing through thewoods making all kinds of noise,

(01:40:13):
right, and you're like anattendant cabinet bro.
Yeah, and it's hard to catch up.
He's going so fast that you'relike Joe, joe, and you want to
stop because obviously you'reseeing something, and so you
need to do completely theopposite.
You got to sprint to get to Joeto make him to stop, you know.
So it's counterproductive.

(01:40:34):
Productive, bro,counterproductive.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
I knew you were going to correct me.

Speaker 8 (01:40:41):
It's Salida, not Salida bro.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
What a novice mistake .
Novice mistake.

Speaker 9 (01:40:54):
Yes, out front of his english.
So fast, man.
I'm proud of you, louise.
Thank you, man I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:57):
Oh, no, no, no, no, don't be giving him that man.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
He saw so much crap when you helped him out I like
how this this has turned fromhunting stories to the roast of
Joe Giglio.

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Oh my, God, you know, but that's all, good man, it's
all good, I like this man.

Speaker 9 (01:41:16):
We're dogging on one another the whole time.
We love one another.

Speaker 8 (01:41:20):
no doubt Like love one another, but at the end of
the day, man if we see a trackwe're getting after it, man,
yeah, and it jumps, man, it justgo from one to the other, and
you know, and you know you justgotta take it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
They keep me in stitches.
But you know, and, and then youknow what, like what year was
it, man?
Oh, it was that same year wedid a, an elk hunt with the elk
bros and uh, and I took manano,took Manano and Luis, I said I
know this and we're in this unit53, all this blow down.
I was like I know, man, I knowthat there's going to be elk in

(01:41:54):
the spot.
The way I look at it and whereall this stuff is are going to
be here.
So we had to go into this littlesmall Canyon and we had to go
up you know, a little ways onthe other side to get into this
area.
You know, and I mean, it's likefriggin trying to drag rocks to
get them up there, man, theseguys.
And so we get all the way intothis area and, sure enough, we

(01:42:19):
call this the call.
This bull in man and luis is inperfect position.
I get up back behind.
This bull is just coming up andcoming up to Luis and I don't
know how far was that shot, luis, 30, 35?
Are you talking about the spike?
No, no, the rag horn that cameup over there under Van Deest,

(01:42:40):
over there After we hiked allthe way through the beaver up
onto the other side.

Speaker 9 (01:42:44):
The divine intervention shot.

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
Yeah, it was just a small rag.

Speaker 8 (01:42:51):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah it was.
It was about 40 yards yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
So this bull comes up and stops broadside in front of
luis.
He's, you know, in a perfectposition to shoot.
When he shoots, the bull spinsto turn away and that doggone
arrow just goes right in frontof his chest like that.
So we get the opportunity, weget over there, we get the

(01:43:14):
opportunity to see the elk, weget the shot.
Thank God he did not hit that.
I mean, it was just like youknow, it's like God helped us
out and just turned that elkbefore he got there because we
didn't know the route out.
You know that we were going toactually use if we killed that
bull we should have.
You know, in hindsight we wouldhave gone out the way we came

(01:43:36):
in.
But the way we ended up goingout of there got very, very
dangerous right.
But you know it wasn't that badof a hike right to get in there
.
And we get back to camp andthese guys are like you know, I
wanted to go back the next dayand they're like no way, we
ain't freaking going back there.

Speaker 9 (01:43:58):
It's obvious you hate us, joe.
It's obvious you hate us Causewhen you you you know they would
do something like that tosomebody, to take somebody in
some shit like that man, theywere so mad.
They were like, okay, we'regoing with you, I know you're
not going to go into some shit.

Speaker 8 (01:44:20):
Listen that that that day is when we've realized the
true worth of the um bow hitch.

Speaker 5 (01:44:31):
Oh absolutely.
So so Armando he is so so he'snot giving it justice to how
dangerous and it's your firsttime using it right.

Speaker 9 (01:44:44):
Yes, yeah, my first time using it.

Speaker 8 (01:44:46):
Yes, he's not giving it justice to how dangerous it
actually was.
This could have, like if wewere to have like any additional
weight other than our packs andour bows already, like if we
would have had elk and elk, elkmeat or you know, the the
antlers or anything like that.
It would have been a life ordeath situation, man, I'm

(01:45:08):
telling you, it was that steepand that dangerous to get out of
that place.

Speaker 5 (01:45:12):
And it was getting dark.

Speaker 8 (01:45:14):
And it was getting dark, and so, matter of fact,
when we got to the boogie, itwas already nighttime.

Speaker 6 (01:45:21):
Buggy.

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
When we got to the what bro.

Speaker 8 (01:45:23):
The boogie.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
The boogie monster.

Speaker 8 (01:45:26):
The Salida, the boogie, the Salida, the boogie
monster, the Salida, salida, theboogie.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
You need a tissue.

Speaker 6 (01:45:32):
Yes, yes, the Salida, salida.

Speaker 8 (01:45:36):
He's got a boogie.
Hey, Michael, what's up, man?
Are you on my side?
What's?

Speaker 9 (01:45:40):
the deal.
I'm on everybody's side.
I see how it is, man.
I'm on everybody's side.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Dang it Such a rough crowd.

Speaker 5 (01:45:47):
Everybody said, dang it, such a rough crowd.
So I'm going to give a littleode to somebody that is part of
the Elk Bros, has been part ofthe Elk Bros, been part of our
podcast.
If you listen to our podcast,the introduction is done by a

(01:46:16):
man, mr Hederman, mr BobHederman.
Bob has passed since Bob diedof cancer some years back but
he's still with us.
He introduces us every time.
We're not going to change thatbecause it keeps Bob with us.
But the first time I ever metBob he was my neighbor.
He moved in next door to me andafter he moved in he saw me
shooting one day out there.

(01:46:36):
You know you can hear the thump, thump, thump.
I shoot a lot of arrows becauseI'm an instinctive shooter, so
I shoot a lot.
And he comes out and he startsasking me about it and
everything like that and getsreally interested in wanting to
do something with the hunting.
And Bob kind of fashionedhimself as an all-about type guy

(01:46:57):
.
He was in the music industryand he could videotape and I had
his daughter in my video classand stuff and he's like well,
why don't I go with you on yourhunt?
And this is early man.
Again, this is pre-everything.
And you know, we had the actualtapes, you know the mini DVs
that were inside the videocameras at that time, and Bob's

(01:47:21):
like I can go along and I canvideotape the hunt and
everything like this.
And I was like, oh, that'd becool, man, if you're wanting to
do that, I think that'd be cool,you know.
So I went in and I got one ofmy truth series, you know, uh,
one of those from Primo's andstuff, some of the DVDs, and I
handed it to him and I gave itto him so he could go watch it

(01:47:42):
and see some really wanted himto see camera angles and stuff
like that.
And so he watched it and hecomes over I'm shooting arrows
the next day and he goes.
I think I'd like to do thatwith y'all man.
He said it, it, it don't seemtoo bad.
So we go out, we find a meadow,I set up the camera, you call
and the animal comes in and youkill it.

(01:48:03):
And you know, seems pretty easyto me.
I mean, that's how Bob wasgoing to go, you know.
Well, I said, bob, it don'thappen like that, bud, I mean,
you know, only in the movies,you know.
So he ended up wanting to huntas well, and he was going to

(01:48:24):
videotape some and and then thenext year he wanted to hunt with
us.
So he was going to go out thatfirst year and he's going to
videotape some, and, and thenthe next year he wanted to hunt
with us.
So he was going to go out thatfirst year and he's going to go
out with another name thatyou'll hear with us sometime um,
larry gill.
Uh, we were, larry gill washunting with me.
Bob came with us to film and andwhat's so cool about that
particular year is, you know,the guys say I'm a little bit

(01:48:45):
kind of tight about things, youknow, but I had, I had killed an
antelope with my bow earlier inAugust that year.
And then we're going intoSeptember and and Bob says, yeah
, this is, it's that easy.
And Bob, trust me, it is notthat easy.

(01:49:08):
This stuff is hard, it's agrind.
You got to hunt, you knowyou're going to be putting lots
of hours just for a second of anopportunity, right?
And he's like OK, all right,you know.
And so we go out, bob's with me,and and we've got a bull that
responds, and I go out and Istart calling.

(01:49:29):
Bull comes in.
Bob is right behind me tovideotape the whole thing, dude.
So bull comes in 15 yards, Idrill him, he dies in I don't
know seconds and dies off that.
So I'm gosh, I'm fairly youngat this time.
This is early.
I think Larry Gill at that timemight've been, you know, 80.
No, larry was probably I don'tknow Chad, what would you say,

(01:49:53):
in his early sixties or latefifties or something like that.
You know, probably earlysixties, yeah, early sixties.
So what's so cool is I've gotthe animal there and I'm I'm
talking about the hunt doing allof this stuff you know on the
animal, explaining what I did,and there's Bob, he's got all of
it.
And so we go back to camp andBob's like I thought you said

(01:50:19):
this stuff was hard, right.
So I was like dude, trust me,it doesn't that.
It hardly ever goes like that,right?
Well, the arrow I used on thatelk was the same arrow I killed
my antelope with.
So now I got two animals withthe same arrow.

(01:50:40):
I always mark my arrows, I havemy favorite arrows and after I
shot it, I spin it.
It's good, you know, sharpen mybroadhead.
Everything's good.
After I shot it, I spin it.
It's good, you know, sharpen mybroadhead, everything's good.
And so we go on and we'reactually I'm trying to get Larry
and Bob, I'm trying to getLarry to get an elk.
So we're driving through thisone area.
I have all my tags.

(01:51:00):
I got bear, deer, elk.
And we're driving to this onearea and I'm driving and Larry's
behind me and he and he hits meon the shoulder.
I could hear real good at thattime.
But he just hit me on theshoulder and uh, and he goes.
You just passed a deer and Isaid so did he stay bedded when
I passed him?

(01:51:21):
He goes, yeah, he just.
He just stayed right there.
And I said how far in the trees?
He said about 20 yards.
I said good, so we were justover the hill.
I said okay, let's switch Larry.
So we switch up, I get behind.
And what I told Larry?
I said as we get close, I wantyou to slow down.
I'm going to get off on theopposite side of the
four-wheeler.

(01:51:41):
You keep going.
We do just like that.
Larry comes through, I get offon the side, he keeps going.
The buck is watching Larrydrive off at 20 yards inside the
trees.
I shoot him Next thing.
You know, we're packing a deerout.
Now we make a makeshift with astick to carry the deer out and

(01:52:03):
get him onto the bug and thenback to camp and get him onto
the buggy and then back to camp.
And I used the same arrow thatI killed the antelope with and
that I killed the elk with.
And I've killed a deer.
And Bob is like I thought yousaid this stuff was hard, that
was the whole thing about that.

(01:52:24):
Well, I still needed to getLarry.
I wanted him to get a bull.
So I knew of a great wallowthat these elk were hitting.
So I take Larry into thiswallow.
We get in before daylight.
We get.
It's perfect, man, because yougot the wallow down below.
You're up on a little bit of aledge with a big boulder in
front that just kind of breaksyou up, and plenty of trees

(01:52:46):
behind a good tree for you tolay on, put the hat down and go
to sleep and wait for things tohappen.
So we get in position wellbefore daylight.
I've got my hat down andLarry's there and it's just
getting ready to going to begray light, right, it's getting
them ready to be prime time.
And Larry goes Joe, I'm likewhat Larry he's like I got to go

(01:53:12):
to the bathroom, man.
I go now.
Dude, it's getting ready tohappen, man, this is getting
ready to be.
So Larry commences and I'm like,dude, I want you going 200
yards down the cage, you know.
So the scent's all carryingdown.
So he takes off and he goesdown there.
I sit back and I put my hatdown and as I'm sitting there,

(01:53:35):
all of a sudden I hear rocksrolling and I'm like you've got
to be kidding me, man.
I'm like watch this bull.
I bet he's a seven by seven.
Larry's down there doing thebusiness and he's not here.
I'm like, oh, you got to bekidding me.
So I heard the sound and I juststayed there for a little bit,

(01:53:55):
because it's just, the graylight is happening really good
right now, and it's starting toget towards a little bit towards
shooting light.
And I hear the noise again andthis time I look up, I tilt my
hat up and and I look up thereand I can see something moving
up in there.

Speaker 8 (01:54:13):
How long ago was this Joe.
What's that?
How long?

Speaker 5 (01:54:17):
ago was this, oh man 1930,.
I think You're probably talking30 years, 20 okay, yeah, no,
that makes sense.

Speaker 8 (01:54:33):
Okay, because, because you were hearing, I used
to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:54:38):
I used to hear excellent.
So for all you people that, um.
So I grew up a redneck, um shota lot of guns and we never knew
about hearing protection as akid.
Yeah, I started losing it in mylate 40s.

Speaker 8 (01:54:54):
And you're losing your voice today too.
What's up with you, man?
I'm sick man and I'm still here.
So you look up and you see.

Speaker 5 (01:55:05):
I see a bear.
I can see the silhouette of abear against the skyline as he's
coming on the side.
I'm like, oh man, and I've gotmy bear tag, no, larry Right.
And I'm like I ain't going toshoot that bear, man, unless
that bears a big bear.
Now it's getting more and morelight.

(01:55:25):
The bear keeps coming down todrink from the wallow and dude.
His belly is like dragging theground.
His ears look like this bigright here, it's tiny man, I
mean.
So I'm like, oh, he's huge.
I mean this bear is huge.

(01:55:46):
So I'm like, well, I ain'tgoing to shoot him, you know,
unless he gives me a good shot.
So the bear comes down to thewallow, turns broadside and goes
shoot me, shoot me, shoot meright here.
So I draw back, I pop him.
He takes up up that same hillthat he just came down.

(01:56:07):
I mean he is just ripping it anew one.
And he only gets about halfwayup the hill and I hear and I'm
like he's dead.
So I put my bow down, I getback, I put my hat back down

(01:56:29):
over my eyes and I go back tosleep and all of a sudden I hear
a little bit of a noise and Ilook over to the side and I can
see a broadhead coming throughthe brush.
And here's Larry.
He's sneaking into me and hegoes Joe, I think I heard
something growl.
I'm like, yeah, larry, I justkilled a bear man.

(01:56:52):
And he's like no, seriously, Ijust heard a growl.
Yeah, I'm telling you, dude, Ijust killed a bear.
So Larry couldn't believe it.
And the bear is actually behindme.
It looks like a mini grizz andthis was the bear.

Speaker 8 (01:57:13):
That's amazing, that's a Pope and Young man.

Speaker 5 (01:57:17):
He's a toad.
You know, at that age I'm in my30s, I'm in my prime and I went
to go try to roll that bearwhen I got to him prime.
And I went to go try to rollthat bear when I got to him and
I literally had to lay over hisbody and do an arm lock to try
to pull him around.
Um, he was massive and thatbear was killed with the same

(01:57:41):
arrow the antelope they killedwow, they killed a deer and then
killed that bear.
All in the same season, samearrow.
So and uh, the the cool part ofthe story bob hederman that
videoed all that great footage.
Bob actually turned the cameraoff when he thought he was

(01:58:06):
turning it on and turned it onwhen he thought he was turning
it off, and we got a lot ofgreat footage of the ground and
my tennis, shoes and stuff likethat.
Zero, zero, zero commentary,nothing like that man.
So that was Bob Hederman'sfirst first time man.

Speaker 8 (01:58:29):
so and was bob there like he actually attempted to
film the shot?

Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
he was behind you when you shot, yeah oh wow, my
goodness now we had stopped inthe woods and we had done a few
commentations and stuff likethat, as we were on the hunt and
everything.
And I don't know if, when thatbull bugle and started coming in
, I don't know if he got nervousand pushed or what, but he got
everything in reverse and wenever got anything on it.

(01:58:58):
So that was, that's the storythat's a great story, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
So here's a question did larry get an elk Cause?
That's what you were there for.

Speaker 5 (01:59:10):
Um, actually Larry did get an elk, yes, okay, yeah.
Uh, larry, um, one time with usgot a last day bull, um that he
had given up on gettinganything.
And we actually killed a bullin the last day, last hour of
the hunt man, and didn't haveanything with him, none of his

(01:59:32):
knives, nothing.
I'm like what are you?
You're hunting without all ofyour kill kit stuff?
He said honestly, joe, I cameand yeah, you were saying we
were going to do something goodand blah blah, but I didn't
believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
So, yeah, so there we go, guys.
Man, man, what a cool night ofstories.
That was fun.
Yeah, I think my favorite partwas how you guys beat up on each
other, like that's what.
That's what hunting camp isabout.
Um with, with my podcast, I doa lot of like me hearing stories
from one person, but it'sreally fun to get an actual

(02:00:09):
hunting camp together and youguys tell your stories and then
I mean, call bullshit on eachother or make fun of each other
when it's due.
I love that.

Speaker 9 (02:00:18):
This was a lot of fun I appreciate you giving us the
opportunity to do it.
Man, we love, we love camp, welove bagging on one another, but
at the end of the day, man, wetruly enjoy what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (02:00:32):
Yes sir, hey Gil, yes sir, what to do, man?
It's that time.

Speaker 9 (02:00:37):
Absolutely, guys, if you like what we're doing,
please subscribe, rate andreview us.
You have to go to ApplePodcasts or iTunes to review and
be sure to include your nameand where you're from to get in
or spend a winter wheel drawing,and you can check out more elk
hunting content at elkbullscom.
And you know, guys, we stillhave some tags available for
unit 53.

(02:00:57):
We uh actually, um joe and I'vebeen uh pushing those the last
couple of months and we stillhave a few tags available Only
firearm.

Speaker 5 (02:01:05):
that's it, no, everything else is sold.

Speaker 9 (02:01:11):
That's correct, only rifle tags.
So if you need something, we dohave our few hunts available
left on apartment land as well.
So if you guys are looking forsomething to come and hunt with
us on the Chase or the Martinezman, we'd love to have y'all.
And just a reminder if any ofour listeners would like their
questions answered on our show,just send your questions to joe

(02:01:33):
at elkbroscom.
And like we say down here inthe Lone Star State husbands
kiss your wives, wives kiss yourhusbands, hug your babies, keep
your butt and head sharp andyour powder dry and we'll see
you next week right here on BlueCollar Elk Hunting.

Speaker 5 (02:01:46):
Yes, sir man, see you next week right here on blue
collar elk hunting.
Yes, sir man, peace everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
Thank you, mike that was fun, gentlemen.
Thank you guys where others.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
Fear is home to me.
No boundaries for my soul, thepounding, the primal blood,
driving hunger like no otherRunning through my veins.
No man versus nature, only meversus me.

(02:02:18):
A centuries-old challengeRaging deep inside my soul.
No anger, malice or evil, onlya hunter and his prey.
This is my life.
Country, born and raised.

(02:02:39):
This is my life.
Thank you, destiny, my way.
Like a ghost, unseen, tastingevery scent, knowing with every

(02:03:15):
breeze, the trail before me, thefire burning inside me.
This is what we live for.
Honor, passion and pain this ismy life, blind and born and
raised.
When that whistle blows, thisis my life, this is my life.
I know it's my day, my life.

(02:03:46):
Don't think you know me my life.
No odds will hold me my destiny, my way.
This is my life Run to, bornand raise.

(02:04:11):
This is my life.
I know it's my day, my life.
Don't think you know me, mylife.
No arms will hold me, mydestiny, my way, all right, guys

(02:04:48):
.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
That's it.
Another couple stories in thebooks.
I just took his uneditedepisode or actually edited, but
his full episode and reposted.
I hope you guys enjoyed it.
I hope you guys check out theOak Bros.
Like I said, one of my favoritepodcasts, probably one of the
like four podcasts I listen toevery week.
And, man, I couldn't.
I couldn't speak higher of Joeand his entire squad.

(02:05:09):
They all are happy to helpanyone.
All you got to do is reach out.
So, thank you Joe, Thank youGilbert, Thank you Louise, Thank
you RC, Thank you Chav,Everybody that was there, the
team that wasn't there.
I think we'll go back and doingthat again.
Guys, what'd you think?
Leave me some notes, Let me Letme know if you liked that
format.
It's definitely different, butI think it's a lot of fun.

(02:05:34):
At least I have a lot of funrecording them.
And beyond that, guys, if youwant to get your hunting camp
together, let me know.
I'd love to get your group ofguys together.
I think that when people arerazzing each other, it adds to
the kind of total experience andthat's kind of what I'm going
for.
Beyond that, if you couldplease like share, review the
podcast, I would appreciate it,and if you have a story you want
to tell, reach out to me.
But that's it, guys.
Thank you so much.

(02:05:55):
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