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June 5, 2025 50 mins

Join Mayla Boguslav as she interviews this episode’s guest Paul Lerner who is asking what did the world look like in different historical moments and how profoundly different the past was from the present but also how similar it was?

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Follow this episode’s guest Paul Lerner:

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Citations mentioned in this episode:

Plato. The Apology of Plato. The Clarendon press, 1867.

Sigmund Freud, Civilization and Its Discontents (1929). Freud took the concept of “oceanic feeling” from his friend Romain Rolland who described it in a 1927 letter to Freud.

Re:Thinking with Adam Grant: https://adamgrant.net/podcasts/rethinking/

Definition of fascism disagreement: https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/what-was-the-fascism-debate/ 

Mayla R. Boguslav (2023). Revealing and Exploring the Literature’s Known Unknowns: Ignorance and How It Drives Science (Doctoral dissertation, University of Colorado Denver, Anschutz Medical Campus).

People:

Students

(Isadore) Jack Lerner (Paul’s Father), 1930-2024 

Karl Joachim (Jock) Weintraub, 1924-2004. Thomas E. Donnelley Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus in History at the University of Chicago, also taught in the Committee on Social Thought, the Committee on the History of Culture, the Humanities Division and the College

Socrates (ca. 470 BCE - 399 BCE), foundational Greek philosopher.

Leora Auslander, Arthur and Joann Rasmussen Professor in the Departments of Race, Diaspora, and Indigeneity and History, The University of Chicago

Friedrich (Fred) Hacker (1914-1989), Vienna-born psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, who practiced mostly in Los Angeles and specialized in the psychology of violence and terror. 

Michel Foucault (1926-1984), French Historian and Philosopher of Science

Bruno Latour (1947-2022), French Philosopher, Anthropologist, and Sociologist

Thomas Kuhn (1922-1996), Historian and Philosopher of Science

Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fQvIUHYR1d3sXf07j3gGEhfScvpvEuS4xnErnmGK_Mo/edit?usp=sharing 

Producer & editor:

Joshua Mendel and Mayla Boguslav

Bluesky: @jbmendel.bsky.social

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