March 26, 2025 • 26 mins
Trump's executive order to rename the Gulf of Mexico to "Gulf of America" sparked a debate about geographic naming rights, national identity, and international relations. The controversial decision reveals how place names can become proxies for political power plays between nations.
The Gulf's name has historic roots dating back to 16th century Spanish explorers, making this sudden shift particularly jarring for historians, geographers, and ordinary citizens alike. Despite over 70% of Americans opposing the change according to recent polling, the administration has forged ahead, even threatening to bar journalists who refuse to adopt the new terminology from White House events.
Beyond the immediate controversy, this episode examines how geographic names become cultural battlegrounds, from "Freedom Fries" to the Denali/McKinley debate. We consider whether this represents genuine patriotism or, "poisonous patriotism" that reflects deeper insecurities about national identity and power projection.
Join us for this thought-provoking conversation about borders, names, and power—and discover why something as seemingly simple as what we call a body of water can reveal so much about international relations and political psychology. Head to our social media to share your thoughts on this controversial change!
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Chris (00:03):
Welcome back to I'm Not Dumb but Podcast.
Today we will talk aboutPresident Trump's controversial
decision to rename the Gulf ofMexico to the Gulf of America.
Why the change?
What does a new name mean forthe US and Mexico?
I'm Not Dumb, but why renamethe Gulf of Mexico?
Cesar (00:21):
Welcome to the I'm Not Dumb but Podcast, where we won't
claim to have the answers tolife's deepest questions but
we'll give you an excitingjourney into the realms of
knowledge you never knew you'deither.
Might be mainstream, but notcommon knowledge.
From artificial intelligence toconspiracy theories, no topic
is too taboo for us to explore.
Let's get curious together.
Chris (00:41):
I'm your host, chris, and I'm joined by Rob.
Hello, cesar, you, victor.
Victor (00:47):
How y'all doing.
Chris, be careful using thatterm.
If they catch you saying Gulfof Mexico, you're going to get
banned from the White Housepress rooms.
Rob (00:57):
Yeah, and can you dress better?
I mean, why aren't you wearinga suit?
Cesar (01:02):
How come you haven't said thank you to us in the last
five minutes?
Rob (01:04):
You're dressed like Adam Sandler at the Oscars.
Chris (01:08):
You know what I'm going to wear, whatever I want to wear
, okay.
So now, chris, chill out.
But yeah, so I want to know,like, what was your thoughts
when Trump announced the namechange?
Victor (01:20):
Pretty soon we're going to changing the name of the Gulf
of Mexico to the Gulf ofAmerica.
Rob (01:28):
I thought he was trolling, I thought it was a joke.
And then I checked my GoogleMaps and it's changed to the
Gulf of America.
And I was like are othercountries changing it?
Like are textbooks beingrewritten?
Like what's happening here?
Cesar (01:44):
all right, for the first hundred days, right, that's when
the president has to like gohard at his agenda.
And then I heard that and I waslike what?
Chris (01:55):
yeah, I think that was my first reaction too.
I was like why?
Rob (02:01):
I don't know man, we're just taking over now.
Cesar (02:04):
There's a funny video, though it's Trump, I think in
Air Force One and he's talkingabout it.
He's like Gulf of, and then thepilot comes on Attention on
board.
Chris (02:15):
Ladies and gentlemen, if you could please direct your
attention out the right side ofthe aircraft.
Air Force One is currently ininternational waters For the
first time in history, flyingover the recently renamed Gulf
of America and he's like soundsgood, it's funny.
Victor (02:38):
Yeah, I think my I was kind of like who's asking for
this?
There's no purpose for it, itdoesn't even make fucking sense,
to be honest.
And then I guess I got to useGoogle Maps from other countries
now Just because I thinkrenaming it is just this.
I see it as like poisonouspatriotism.
But I mean, that's just me.
(02:58):
Stop it.
Rob (03:00):
But why did we have to rename it?
I don't know.
Victor (03:04):
Or isn't that why we're here?
Rob (03:05):
Yeah, don't ruin the whole.
Cesar (03:07):
Thing.
Chris (03:08):
I'm getting ahead of myself.
In January 20th 2025, PresidentTrump signed an executive order
that has stirred up manyemotions, not just within the US
, but internationally as well.
The executive order Trumpsigned is called 14172, and it's
titled Restoring Names thatHonored American Greatness.
Cesar (03:29):
So there were multiple renames.
Victor (03:31):
Mount McKinley.
Cesar (03:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Okay, you're right.
Victor (03:34):
He's got a fucking hard-on for McKinley for some
reason.
Wait, what did he rename?
So Mount McKinley in Alaska wasrenamed under Obama to Denali,
that's nice.
Rob (03:47):
I named it after a car Nice , American car no it's the
birthplace of water.
Victor (03:54):
It's the birthplace of water?
No, I don't know.
The native tribes up therecalled it Denali, which was like
a translation of Tall One,because it's the tallest peak in
North America.
So under Obama he renamed itDenali.
It was named Mount McKinley forno fucking reason besides
(04:15):
imperialism.
President McKinley never evenwent there, never even saw this
fucking mountain, so it didn'tmake sense that it was named
after him.
And then Trump changed, ofcourse, because Obama did
something.
He's like a fucking child andneeds to like undo everything.
Obama did.
Obama.
Well, I'm surprised he didn'tname Mount Trump.
(04:37):
He's trying to become anotherhead on Mount Rushmore that I
could see, I could see that,yeah, are they going to add a
new head or just redo anotherone?
Cesar (04:46):
No, just say all four of them all.
Yeah, he probably had to redoit, just one giant head.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Joe got a big head.
Chris (04:52):
So the order directs the US Secretary of Interior to
change name of the Gulf within30 days, officially so.
This includes US governmentpublications, maps and even the
National Weather Service.
The idea, as stated, is tohonor American identity and, in
Trump's view, to secure USinterests within the waters.
(05:13):
Plus, President Trump declaredFebruary 9th as Gulf of America
Day, a day that will, in theory,commemorate the new name.
Cesar (05:23):
Is that going to be a holiday or time and a half?
I hope so, because I support it.
Victor (05:28):
Yeah, I'm all for new holidays.
It already passed.
Where do we get each other?
Cesar (05:32):
I'm going to get you a shirt that says Chris, scratch
it out and put Victor on it.
Victor (05:37):
You're going to get like a bucket of dirty water with a
little bit of oil in it From theneighbors up north.
It in it from the neighbors upnorth, it's from down south.
Where's are we talking?
Cesar (05:49):
about alaska.
No, we're talking about thegulf of mexico.
Rob (05:50):
No, no, oh, you're talking about that deep water horizon
joke, I thought, yeah, sorry didyou?
Cesar (05:54):
forget, still talking about the mountain.
Chris (05:56):
Never forget you nervous as cats as you guys know, google
maps has started showing thename change for US users, while
keeping Gulf of Mexico for usersin Mexico or the rest of the
world.
Or the rest of the world.
Also, the change has beenadopted in the official weather
forecast as well.
Now you might ask why the Gulfof Mexico?
(06:18):
What's wrong with the name thathas been around for centuries.
Victor (06:22):
I've never asked that, you sure, I've never asked that
of why it was named the Gulf ofMexico.
It actually makes more sense tobe named the Gulf of Mexico.
Rob (06:31):
But isn't Mexico in America Like the Americas?
Victor (06:35):
But then you should name it the Gulf of Americas.
That's a good one, Ooh thatwould have been good.
Rob (06:41):
My vote would have been the Americas.
Victor (06:43):
Or the Gulf of North America, what I think would also
be good so if he did that,you'd be for it.
Rob (06:51):
I would have no problem with it?
Victor (06:52):
no, okay, so this is a semantics thing.
Think about it though.
Well, one's talking about ageographical area, one's talking
about a specific country, and,if you think about it, when they
named it, mexico didn't existas a country.
It was all under the Spanish,and the Spanish had owned
everything around the MexicanPeninsula, the Yucatan Peninsula
(07:12):
, what's the other?
Rob (07:14):
Yeah, those are a type of fries Very good.
They put cheese on them.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Try this.
The Yucatan is amazing.
Victor (07:21):
And Florida, so they had owned everything there.
Chris (07:23):
Hmm, the body of water we're talking about is one of
the most significant and uniquein the world.
It's located in North America,in the bordered by United States
, mexico and Cuba, and it playsa key role in global trade,
wildlife and the region'seconomy.
I think you're missing animportant event.
Cesar (07:42):
Yeah, what Storms bro.
Victor (07:45):
The dinosaurs all died there.
Cesar (07:46):
Oh, the dinosaurs died there.
Rob (07:47):
Wait, that's where the dinosaurs the crater hit.
Victor (07:50):
Yeah, on the Yucatan Peninsula.
Oh, which isn't that at thebottom of the Gulf of Mexico, or
now the Gulf of America, Ithought it was somewhere else.
Cesar (07:59):
Where did you think it?
Victor (08:00):
was Cesar.
I'm kind of curious.
Rob (08:03):
My guess is always Arizona, Anytime something weird happens
if they find a fossil.
Cesar (08:08):
There was a crater up there in Greenland somewhere.
Rob (08:10):
Well, if they don't give it to us, there's going to be a
bigger one.
Cesar (08:15):
We're going to take it.
Rob (08:16):
We love you.
You're very special.
Victor (08:18):
You know what's funny, I just found this out.
So they found this crater inlike the 1980s or maybe the 90s
that they were like oh, there'sa crater here.
Oil companies had found it inthe 70s and didn't tell anyone.
Oh, because they were doing allthese like looking for oil and
shit.
So they were doing all theselike scans of the earth and they
(08:38):
saw this big fucking craterthere, just didn't tell anyone.
Rob (08:42):
Well, it never came up in conversation there, just didn't
tell anyone.
Well, it never came up inconversation one of the largest
scientific discoveries in likehumankind and they're like, oh
yeah, that thing yeah, it's beenthere for like 30 years oh, you
guys didn't know about that.
Victor (08:57):
We've been sitting on the photos also.
We're not causing globalwarming.
Rob (09:04):
We get that straight right well, there's no such thing as
global warming, and they've justrenamed it to climate change if
I have a little property on theocean.
Victor (09:12):
I have a little bit more property.
I have a little bit more oceanthe gulf of mexico.
Chris (09:16):
The vital body of water has been around for millions of
years, but its name has roots inthe 16th century.
European explorers, likeSpanish conquistadors such as
Hernan Cortes, gave it the name.
Victor (09:30):
Can you put some Spanish in that?
Come on, hernan Cortes.
Cesar (09:34):
Conquistadors.
Rob (09:36):
Hernan Cortes.
Yeah, say it like an Italian.
Victor (09:40):
At least make him Italian.
Chris (09:43):
Give me some flavor on that Spanish conquistadors such
as Hernan Cortes gave a nameGolfo to Mexico.
It derives from a Spanish word,golfo, meaning a large bay or
inlet, so this term stuck inSpanish-speaking countries even
(10:04):
today.
What about?
Victor (10:05):
Mexico.
You just translated Gulf.
Rob (10:10):
But what does Mexico mean?
Chris (10:12):
Yeah, where did he get Mexico from?
Mexico's not Mexico.
It didn't exist.
Based on what I read, I thinkafter they gained independence I
think they just started callingit Gulf of Mexico and it kind
of stuck ever since.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Where does the name Mexico come from?
One theory is that it comesfrom the word metli, meaning and
translating as belly, button orcenter, and the affix go
indicating place.
So when literally translated,mexico means in the navel of the
moon or in the center of thelake of the moon.
The reason for such name wouldbe that the city of mexico, the
noche, was founded on a smallisland on the current lake of
(10:47):
tishkoko, previously known asthe moon lake.
The second theory is that itcomes from the name of a god
named Meshi or Huitzilopochtli,who is said to have led the
Mexicans to Tenochtitlan, and byadding the co at the end,
mexico would then mean the placewhere Huitzilopochtli lives.
Chris (11:01):
All right.
Cesar (11:02):
Can you give me the history of Corona?
Please Corona a Mexican guy gotreally drunk off a tequila
pissed in a glass and thensomeone drank it and goes I
could sell this.
Victor (11:13):
Thank God for that guy.
Just stick to your Modelo, okay, you know you have a job.
You have a nine to five.
Chris (11:20):
Hi, Dios mio.
So there was.
A recent survey from MarquetteUniversity revealed that 71% of
Americans are against the namechange, while only 29% supported
it.
The media also weighed in too,with the most outlets continuing
to use Gulf of Mexico, despitethe executive order.
These Associated Press, forexample, has refused to use the
(11:43):
new name, and this has led tosome major tensions.
Which word is that the WhiteHouse has even warned ap that it
might bar their journalistsfrom covering presidential
events if they don't start usinggulf of america that's so
stupid.
Victor (11:59):
They would use that because they also didn't want
associated press reporting onthem, because they wanted for
podcasters and shit to come inand report.
Nice, and this is just a sidenote.
Have you watched, like some ofthe the press conferences and
shit to come in and report, andthis is just a side note.
Have you watched some of thepress conferences and shit?
There's now a whole bunch ofreporters that just do these
softball weird, dick-suckingquestions of like oh, president
(12:21):
Trump, how does it feel to bethe guy who comes up with the
plans for everything?
And you're sitting there like areporter has this question?
They're just glazing them.
Chris (12:31):
It's all fake news.
So Mexico, understandably, isnot thrilled about this change.
And it's not just about thename.
It's a reminder of how USpolitical moves can be perceived
as attempts to exert influenceor dominance over neighboring
countries.
Victor (12:49):
Wait, Mexico is not happy about this.
I can see that.
You know what their tariffsjust got 5% higher 52nd state
after Canada.
Cesar (12:57):
Let's get it.
Rob (12:59):
It seems like this is a soft power move.
Chris (13:02):
Like, I think so, Like personally, I think it was just
a power move.
Victor (13:05):
It's like when your dick is small and you know it, so
you need to compensate by doingsomething rash and nonsensical
to make yourself feel better.
Rob (13:14):
So this is like the proverbial get a Dodge F1, you
know 1500.
I mean yeah.
Victor (13:20):
I mean, you're talking about the guy who literally put
his name over every buildingpossible.
Rob (13:25):
It's called branding.
Victor (13:26):
I built a net worth of more than $10 billion.
It's called branding.
Chris (13:29):
I built a net worth of more than $10 billion.
So the Gulf has always been ashared resource, a place where
both countries have alongenjoyed a relationship of
cooperation.
So now the immediate reactionto this was mixed.
Some supported it, calling it away to assert American
dominance in the region.
Others, however, were outraged,pointing out that Gulf of
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Mexico has been called that forcenturies and the name has
strong ties to Mexican identityand history.
Supporters of the change arguedthat the name should reflect
the geopolitical angle, which isthe Gulf of Mexico is home to
many US naval bases and oil rigs.
So supporters of the namechange argued that Gulf is now
(14:11):
primarily associated with theUnited States in terms of
military strategy and economicdominance, but not Mexico.
Victor (14:18):
Was it ever primarily thought as Mexican dominance?
Like we share the Gulf, Isn'tit?
International waters?
Yeah, but I think just the name, though.
Don't you think I never thoughtMexico owned the Gulf of Mexico
?
I went to the beach in Florida.
I never was like I'm in Mexiconow, Like that never crossed my
mind.
Do you think they'll everchange it back?
(14:39):
Yeah, Obama's going to changeit back.
Cesar (14:41):
You can do an executive action.
Rob (14:43):
Yeah, I know, but like are you really going to do that?
Are you going to be changingthe names back and forth like
that's a bad?
Victor (14:48):
one to be diplomatic.
Wouldn't that fuck up contracts?
Rob (14:50):
that's what I was thinking like.
Cesar (14:52):
There's gotta be a lot of businesses tied to this name
well, listen, if you're underthis administration, contracts
don't mean shit, so what do youmean?
Rob (14:59):
doesn't?
Victor (14:59):
matter yeah, what are you talking?
Cesar (15:00):
about a lot of these government contracts are trying
to cancel them.
Contract is legally binding, soa lot of these uh uh companies
that have already done the workor currently doing the work are
like we want to get paid.
So, in terms of like it canchange it yes, because
everything needs to be on thecontract right.
If you're signing a contractwith any agency, everything has
(15:21):
to be on fine print, clear, soanything like that it can.
It can kind of affect it, butthis administration has shown
that contracts don't mean shit.
Why do you say that, though?
Like what contracts?
Nih?
A lot of those contracts havebeen kind of canceled because of
Doge, okay, and mostly whenDoge has said oh hey, we have
(15:44):
found we have kind of canceledcontracts.
That's what I mean.
It's just contractors doingwork Okay, okay, yeah, but if
you're going to go intogovernment contracting, the
first thing they tell you isthat make sure that everything
on that contract is right thefirst time, because once you
sign it, it's really a bitchthat's trying to go back and
(16:05):
make any amendments.
Victor (16:06):
Right.
Because if I'm like an oilcompany right, and I got rights
to drill somewhere and it saysGulf of Mexico and another oil
company comes in, somehow getsmessed up and gets the same
rights to drill at the samelocation, but it says Gulf of
America, they have to likesettle that in court.
Cesar (16:24):
Yeah, government contracts if you look at them
they're like some of them couldbe like 100 pages and it's super
detailed for that specificreason.
Rob (16:33):
So by changing the name of this could they avoid some
contracts.
Cesar (16:38):
Let's ask China GPT Confirm A name change doesn't
automatically grant the right tocancel a contract, because
contracts are legally binding.
But there are othercircumstances where you may.
That has nothing to do with thenames oh good.
Rob (16:52):
So it's really just about what countries are going to
adopt this name and which onesare going to resist it, and
that's really just a politicalpower play yes, I think only one
country, oh, I think only twocountries are going to adopt
this name and who are the two?
Victor (17:07):
the us and greenland and israel.
I'm just saying like it is,just saying like it is.
What does that mean?
Cesar (17:18):
question chris.
What was the official uhresponse from the mexican
government?
Chris (17:22):
all I know is they were pissed.
Cesar (17:23):
That's about it well, they were probably pissed
because it's an executive actionfrom one country.
There is no dialect, there's nodialogue between two countries,
two nations, right, they didn'tdo it in a proper way, but the
thing is who has the rightthough.
Chris (17:36):
Is it like a country voting or is it like a UN
situation, like who has theright regardless?
Cesar (17:43):
You kind of have to do it diplomatically, right?
Victor (17:45):
I mean, yeah, if you want it to be internationally
recognized sure.
Rob (17:49):
So Mexican President Claudia Scheinbaum, a very
Mexican name.
Wow, that was racist of you.
That's a very Mexican name,it's pronounced.
Victor (17:59):
Scheinbaum.
Yeah, you were just like a veryMexican name Wink wink, wink
wink.
Rob (18:07):
You said it not me like wink, wink, not me, but uh
answered to uh us donald trumpabout the idea of changing the
name to the gulf of america, andshe is quoted to say he can
call it whatever he wants on theamerican part of it.
So I really don't think theycare.
I mean, I'm sure it was like ayou know backhanded dig, but
(18:28):
does it really matter?
We're just changing books.
The rest of the world is notchanging theirs, so they're
probably thought processes youcan call whatever you want.
Chris (18:36):
To make it simple, it's like if our podcast was called
Rob and Caesar's podcast andthen, out of nowhere, victor
comes in and he was like guys,I'm doing a lot of work, I'm
just going to change to Victor'spodcast now, like that's pretty
much what Trump did.
Victor (18:53):
I mean, it pretty much is my podcast.
Rob (18:56):
Well, first of all, let's not throw any ideas out there.
Okay, I'm not doing the Victorpodcast.
Victor's podcast does not havea very good ring to it.
We polled and people want tohear, you know a very good ring
to it.
We polled and people want tohear you know.
Victor (19:09):
Interesting enough the US portion of the Gulf of
Mexico's coastline is about1,700 miles.
The Mexican coastline along theGulf of Mexico is about 1,743
miles.
So they have about 43 milesmore coastline than we do.
Rob (19:28):
Interesting, I don't know.
Yeah, if I knew that I'd saymajority rules there.
Victor (19:36):
Yeah, it's like remember when we decided to just
unlawfully invade two countriesat the same time or close to
each other and we just decidedto start calling them Freedom
Fries because the French didn'twant to come with us.
Yes, I remember that.
What do you call them now?
Do you still call them FreedomFries?
Rob (19:53):
No, we went back to French Fries.
Victor (19:56):
I never left French Fries.
Rob (19:57):
to be honest, I had a stint in freedom fries, uh, but they
were never that on the menu, soI went with french fries I think
they just say fries for themost part.
Chris (20:07):
Oh yeah I've never said fries french fries, yeah, or
regular fries, yeah, regularfries, I think, because they
call curly fries, then curlyfries, just curly fries that's
why you call regular friesregular fries or if you're
australian, you call them likefry fries or some chips do they
do chips?
Rob (20:23):
I don't know, but they're very like british, you know, so
I could see them do chips.
Victor (20:26):
Wow, that's, I mean let's be that's one person on
this podcast opinion.
Rob (20:31):
Uh, I support australia's independence oi, oi oi listen, I
am a historian when it comes toaustralia so I'm just dating it
back there.
Victor (20:42):
I'm here in the colonies .
I'm here living in the coloniesbecause I am a historian, and
by historian.
Rob (20:48):
I watched something on the History Channel.
Cesar (20:51):
Ancient aliens.
Are these markers left foraliens arriving to Earth from
space?
Victor (20:59):
I mean to be honest, I'll probably still call it the
Gulf of Mexico.
Cesar (21:02):
Yeah.
Rob (21:02):
It's like the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Chris (21:04):
Yeah, I know right, you can rename it.
Cesar (21:07):
When are you going to say the Gulf of Mexico?
When will that ever come up?
Rob (21:09):
Yeah, I don't really use it in my regular day vernacular.
Victor (21:13):
Well, I'll use it if I'm in Mexico all the time.
Rob (21:21):
Like when you go down to Cancun or hey, you want to dip
in, really Take a dip into theGulf.
Cesar (21:24):
Yeah, I don't think I've ever used it.
Rob (21:27):
I'll be honest.
When I heard of this, I had tolook it up on a map.
I was like is that on the eastside, or?
Victor (21:31):
the west side.
Rob (21:33):
Majority of Americans.
We don't know much aboutgeography.
Victor (21:39):
Again, I think you're speaking for yourself.
Rob (21:43):
Not you, because you know how atomic clocks work.
Chris (21:45):
I look at a map every once in a while, professor
Victor, here.
Victor (21:50):
Yeah, mr Dinosaur, asteroid Hit Russia.
Cesar (21:54):
I thought, it was Greenland.
Rob (21:57):
Close enough.
I'm just telling the peoplewhat they already know.
Has he said that he wants tochange anything else?
Chris (22:04):
Not that I know of.
Victor (22:05):
Yeah, he wants to change Ukraine to Russia.
Oh, it's a joke, it's aUkrainian war joke.
Oh, right, right, right, right,right, too soon.
All right, guys, I didn't know.
Cesar (22:18):
For them it will be yeah.
Victor (22:20):
You're right now not in a very good position.
Chris (22:22):
I don't know, maybe he has some military agenda, like a
naval, where he wants to putmore ships out there.
Victor (22:29):
For what I don't know.
It's not contested territory.
Cesar (22:33):
Well, after everyone finds out that dinosaurs died
there, it might be.
Chris (22:45):
You said you've got a T-rex.
I wonder now in the historyclass, when they talk about gulf
of america, they're gonna belike yeah, gulf of america guys.
Yeah, high five.
Victor (22:50):
And like get all cheered up.
It is if you're in a in schoolin like missouri, mississippi,
alabama, places where like,where you have your textbook
next to your Bible, those placesand on the third day, God
created the Remington BullAction Rifle.
Chris (23:08):
So where does that leave us?
Is it just a name or is itsomething more?
The Gulf of Mexico, now Gulf ofAmerica, has become a political
battleground representing thelarger cultural and geopolitical
tensions between the UnitedStates and its southern neighbor
.
For now it looks like thedebate will continue, but as for
the new name, it's already onthe maps for some, but will it
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ever stick in the heart of mindsof the people?
Cesar (23:34):
only time will tell final thoughts caesar listen, I
haven't said the gulf of americasince probably high school.
You haven't said what?
Oh my bad, scratch that.
I haven't said the gulf ofmexico, the gulf of mexico since
high school, years and yearsago.
I don't think I'm going to saythe hookup from america either.
I did not understand thisexecutive action when it came
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out.
Still don't, don't understandit.
But you guys might be right.
It might be some sort of softpower move that only they and
their supporters understand.
That's far from me.
It's whatever victor.
Victor (24:08):
Yeah, listen, like I said before, I'm probably still
gonna call it the gulf of mexico.
I don't think the name changekind of makes sense.
It's been this way for likehundreds of years.
It's not offending anyone, atleast that I know of.
It doesn't offend me as anAmerican to call it the Gulf of
Mexico.
I think it's some like smalldick fucking moves to just make
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yourself feel stronger.
What?
Rob (24:31):
about you, rob.
Listen, I think it was a goodmove, and let me tell you why.
I understand him trying toexpand patriotism and clear
things up.
I mean, we are in the Americas,right, so let's call it the
Gulf of America.
That's one thing.
But if you go on to the otherside of Mexico, there's another
Gulf, and out of the four peoplehere, only one of us probably
(24:52):
knows what it's called the gulfof california.
Did you just look that up?
yes, because I told you I don'tknow now the gulf of california
has only 350 miles of coastline,where mexico has approximately
1200 miles of coastline.
So we're talking about the samesituation and we call that the
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gulf of calline.
So we're talking about the samesituation and we call that the
Gulf of California.
But we're getting so worked upabout the Gulf of America, so to
me he wants to go ahead andchange it.
We already have a precedent setwith the Gulf of California.
It's a nice gulf, it's the bestgulf, it's one of the best,
better gulfs we have in theUnited States.
And sounds good, makes sense tome, says it on my map, I don't
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know any better.
Victor (25:36):
So for the record, maga does not consider california
part of the united states.
Rob (25:44):
Yeah, what do you?
Chris (25:44):
now I'm completely done yeah as always, let us know what
what you think.
Do you support the name changeor do do you think it's a step
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Welcome back to I'm Not Dumb but Podcast.
Today we will talk aboutPresident Trump's controversial
decision to rename the Gulf ofMexico to the Gulf of America.
Why the change?
What does a new name mean forthe US and Mexico?
I'm Not Dumb, but why renamethe Gulf of Mexico?
Cesar (00:21):
Welcome to the I'm Not Dumb but Podcast, where we won't
claim to have the answers tolife's deepest questions but
we'll give you an excitingjourney into the realms of
knowledge you never knew you'deither.
Might be mainstream, but notcommon knowledge.
From artificial intelligence toconspiracy theories, no topic
is too taboo for us to explore.
Let's get curious together.
Chris (00:41):
I'm your host, chris, and I'm joined by Rob.
Hello, cesar, you, victor.
Victor (00:47):
How y'all doing.
Chris, be careful using thatterm.
If they catch you saying Gulfof Mexico, you're going to get
banned from the White Housepress rooms.
Rob (00:57):
Yeah, and can you dress better?
I mean, why aren't you wearinga suit?
Cesar (01:02):
How come you haven't said thank you to us in the last
five minutes?
Rob (01:04):
You're dressed like Adam Sandler at the Oscars.
Chris (01:08):
You know what I'm going to wear, whatever I want to wear
, okay.
So now, chris, chill out.
But yeah, so I want to know,like, what was your thoughts
when Trump announced the namechange?
Victor (01:20):
Pretty soon we're going to changing the name of the Gulf
of Mexico to the Gulf ofAmerica.
Rob (01:28):
I thought he was trolling, I thought it was a joke.
And then I checked my GoogleMaps and it's changed to the
Gulf of America.
And I was like are othercountries changing it?
Like are textbooks beingrewritten?
Like what's happening here?
Cesar (01:44):
all right, for the first hundred days, right, that's when
the president has to like gohard at his agenda.
And then I heard that and I waslike what?
Chris (01:55):
yeah, I think that was my first reaction too.
I was like why?
Rob (02:01):
I don't know man, we're just taking over now.
Cesar (02:04):
There's a funny video, though it's Trump, I think in
Air Force One and he's talkingabout it.
He's like Gulf of, and then thepilot comes on Attention on
board.
Chris (02:15):
Ladies and gentlemen, if you could please direct your
attention out the right side ofthe aircraft.
Air Force One is currently ininternational waters For the
first time in history, flyingover the recently renamed Gulf
of America and he's like soundsgood, it's funny.
Victor (02:38):
Yeah, I think my I was kind of like who's asking for
this?
There's no purpose for it, itdoesn't even make fucking sense,
to be honest.
And then I guess I got to useGoogle Maps from other countries
now Just because I thinkrenaming it is just this.
I see it as like poisonouspatriotism.
But I mean, that's just me.
(02:58):
Stop it.
Rob (03:00):
But why did we have to rename it?
I don't know.
Victor (03:04):
Or isn't that why we're here?
Rob (03:05):
Yeah, don't ruin the whole.
Cesar (03:07):
Thing.
Chris (03:08):
I'm getting ahead of myself.
In January 20th 2025, PresidentTrump signed an executive order
that has stirred up manyemotions, not just within the US
, but internationally as well.
The executive order Trumpsigned is called 14172, and it's
titled Restoring Names thatHonored American Greatness.
Cesar (03:29):
So there were multiple renames.
Victor (03:31):
Mount McKinley.
Cesar (03:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Okay, you're right.
Victor (03:34):
He's got a fucking hard-on for McKinley for some
reason.
Wait, what did he rename?
So Mount McKinley in Alaska wasrenamed under Obama to Denali,
that's nice.
Rob (03:47):
I named it after a car Nice , American car no it's the
birthplace of water.
Victor (03:54):
It's the birthplace of water?
No, I don't know.
The native tribes up therecalled it Denali, which was like
a translation of Tall One,because it's the tallest peak in
North America.
So under Obama he renamed itDenali.
It was named Mount McKinley forno fucking reason besides
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imperialism.
President McKinley never evenwent there, never even saw this
fucking mountain, so it didn'tmake sense that it was named
after him.
And then Trump changed, ofcourse, because Obama did
something.
He's like a fucking child andneeds to like undo everything.
Obama did.
Obama.
Well, I'm surprised he didn'tname Mount Trump.
(04:37):
He's trying to become anotherhead on Mount Rushmore that I
could see, I could see that,yeah, are they going to add a
new head or just redo anotherone?
Cesar (04:46):
No, just say all four of them all.
Yeah, he probably had to redoit, just one giant head.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Joe got a big head.
Chris (04:52):
So the order directs the US Secretary of Interior to
change name of the Gulf within30 days, officially so.
This includes US governmentpublications, maps and even the
National Weather Service.
The idea, as stated, is tohonor American identity and, in
Trump's view, to secure USinterests within the waters.
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Plus, President Trump declaredFebruary 9th as Gulf of America
Day, a day that will, in theory,commemorate the new name.
Cesar (05:23):
Is that going to be a holiday or time and a half?
I hope so, because I support it.
Victor (05:28):
Yeah, I'm all for new holidays.
It already passed.
Where do we get each other?
Cesar (05:32):
I'm going to get you a shirt that says Chris, scratch
it out and put Victor on it.
Victor (05:37):
You're going to get like a bucket of dirty water with a
little bit of oil in it From theneighbors up north.
It in it from the neighbors upnorth, it's from down south.
Where's are we talking?
Cesar (05:49):
about alaska.
No, we're talking about thegulf of mexico.
Rob (05:50):
No, no, oh, you're talking about that deep water horizon
joke, I thought, yeah, sorry didyou?
Cesar (05:54):
forget, still talking about the mountain.
Chris (05:56):
Never forget you nervous as cats as you guys know, google
maps has started showing thename change for US users, while
keeping Gulf of Mexico for usersin Mexico or the rest of the
world.
Or the rest of the world.
Also, the change has beenadopted in the official weather
forecast as well.
Now you might ask why the Gulfof Mexico?
(06:18):
What's wrong with the name thathas been around for centuries.
Victor (06:22):
I've never asked that, you sure, I've never asked that
of why it was named the Gulf ofMexico.
It actually makes more sense tobe named the Gulf of Mexico.
Rob (06:31):
But isn't Mexico in America Like the Americas?
Victor (06:35):
But then you should name it the Gulf of Americas.
That's a good one, Ooh thatwould have been good.
Rob (06:41):
My vote would have been the Americas.
Victor (06:43):
Or the Gulf of North America, what I think would also
be good so if he did that,you'd be for it.
Rob (06:51):
I would have no problem with it?
Victor (06:52):
no, okay, so this is a semantics thing.
Think about it though.
Well, one's talking about ageographical area, one's talking
about a specific country, and,if you think about it, when they
named it, mexico didn't existas a country.
It was all under the Spanish,and the Spanish had owned
everything around the MexicanPeninsula, the Yucatan Peninsula
(07:12):
, what's the other?
Rob (07:14):
Yeah, those are a type of fries Very good.
They put cheese on them.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Try this.
The Yucatan is amazing.
Victor (07:21):
And Florida, so they had owned everything there.
Chris (07:23):
Hmm, the body of water we're talking about is one of
the most significant and uniquein the world.
It's located in North America,in the bordered by United States
, mexico and Cuba, and it playsa key role in global trade,
wildlife and the region'seconomy.
I think you're missing animportant event.
Cesar (07:42):
Yeah, what Storms bro.
Victor (07:45):
The dinosaurs all died there.
Cesar (07:46):
Oh, the dinosaurs died there.
Rob (07:47):
Wait, that's where the dinosaurs the crater hit.
Victor (07:50):
Yeah, on the Yucatan Peninsula.
Oh, which isn't that at thebottom of the Gulf of Mexico, or
now the Gulf of America, Ithought it was somewhere else.
Cesar (07:59):
Where did you think it?
Victor (08:00):
was Cesar.
I'm kind of curious.
Rob (08:03):
My guess is always Arizona, Anytime something weird happens
if they find a fossil.
Cesar (08:08):
There was a crater up there in Greenland somewhere.
Rob (08:10):
Well, if they don't give it to us, there's going to be a
bigger one.
Cesar (08:15):
We're going to take it.
Rob (08:16):
We love you.
You're very special.
Victor (08:18):
You know what's funny, I just found this out.
So they found this crater inlike the 1980s or maybe the 90s
that they were like oh, there'sa crater here.
Oil companies had found it inthe 70s and didn't tell anyone.
Oh, because they were doing allthese like looking for oil and
shit.
So they were doing all theselike scans of the earth and they
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saw this big fucking craterthere, just didn't tell anyone.
Rob (08:42):
Well, it never came up in conversation there, just didn't
tell anyone.
Well, it never came up inconversation one of the largest
scientific discoveries in likehumankind and they're like, oh
yeah, that thing yeah, it's beenthere for like 30 years oh, you
guys didn't know about that.
Victor (08:57):
We've been sitting on the photos also.
We're not causing globalwarming.
Rob (09:04):
We get that straight right well, there's no such thing as
global warming, and they've justrenamed it to climate change if
I have a little property on theocean.
Victor (09:12):
I have a little bit more property.
I have a little bit more oceanthe gulf of mexico.
Chris (09:16):
The vital body of water has been around for millions of
years, but its name has roots inthe 16th century.
European explorers, likeSpanish conquistadors such as
Hernan Cortes, gave it the name.
Victor (09:30):
Can you put some Spanish in that?
Come on, hernan Cortes.
Cesar (09:34):
Conquistadors.
Rob (09:36):
Hernan Cortes.
Yeah, say it like an Italian.
Victor (09:40):
At least make him Italian.
Chris (09:43):
Give me some flavor on that Spanish conquistadors such
as Hernan Cortes gave a nameGolfo to Mexico.
It derives from a Spanish word,golfo, meaning a large bay or
inlet, so this term stuck inSpanish-speaking countries even
(10:04):
today.
What about?
Victor (10:05):
Mexico.
You just translated Gulf.
Rob (10:10):
But what does Mexico mean?
Chris (10:12):
Yeah, where did he get Mexico from?
Mexico's not Mexico.
It didn't exist.
Based on what I read, I thinkafter they gained independence I
think they just started callingit Gulf of Mexico and it kind
of stuck ever since.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Where does the name Mexico come from?
One theory is that it comesfrom the word metli, meaning and
translating as belly, button orcenter, and the affix go
indicating place.
So when literally translated,mexico means in the navel of the
moon or in the center of thelake of the moon.
The reason for such name wouldbe that the city of mexico, the
noche, was founded on a smallisland on the current lake of
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tishkoko, previously known asthe moon lake.
The second theory is that itcomes from the name of a god
named Meshi or Huitzilopochtli,who is said to have led the
Mexicans to Tenochtitlan, and byadding the co at the end,
mexico would then mean the placewhere Huitzilopochtli lives.
Chris (11:01):
All right.
Cesar (11:02):
Can you give me the history of Corona?
Please Corona a Mexican guy gotreally drunk off a tequila
pissed in a glass and thensomeone drank it and goes I
could sell this.
Victor (11:13):
Thank God for that guy.
Just stick to your Modelo, okay, you know you have a job.
You have a nine to five.
Chris (11:20):
Hi, Dios mio.
So there was.
A recent survey from MarquetteUniversity revealed that 71% of
Americans are against the namechange, while only 29% supported
it.
The media also weighed in too,with the most outlets continuing
to use Gulf of Mexico, despitethe executive order.
These Associated Press, forexample, has refused to use the
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new name, and this has led tosome major tensions.
Which word is that the WhiteHouse has even warned ap that it
might bar their journalistsfrom covering presidential
events if they don't start usinggulf of america that's so
stupid.
Victor (11:59):
They would use that because they also didn't want
associated press reporting onthem, because they wanted for
podcasters and shit to come inand report.
Nice, and this is just a sidenote.
Have you watched, like some ofthe the press conferences and
shit to come in and report, andthis is just a side note.
Have you watched some of thepress conferences and shit?
There's now a whole bunch ofreporters that just do these
softball weird, dick-suckingquestions of like oh, president
(12:21):
Trump, how does it feel to bethe guy who comes up with the
plans for everything?
And you're sitting there like areporter has this question?
They're just glazing them.
Chris (12:31):
It's all fake news.
So Mexico, understandably, isnot thrilled about this change.
And it's not just about thename.
It's a reminder of how USpolitical moves can be perceived
as attempts to exert influenceor dominance over neighboring
countries.
Victor (12:49):
Wait, Mexico is not happy about this.
I can see that.
You know what their tariffsjust got 5% higher 52nd state
after Canada.
Cesar (12:57):
Let's get it.
Rob (12:59):
It seems like this is a soft power move.
Chris (13:02):
Like, I think so, Like personally, I think it was just
a power move.
Victor (13:05):
It's like when your dick is small and you know it, so
you need to compensate by doingsomething rash and nonsensical
to make yourself feel better.
Rob (13:14):
So this is like the proverbial get a Dodge F1, you
know 1500.
I mean yeah.
Victor (13:20):
I mean, you're talking about the guy who literally put
his name over every buildingpossible.
Rob (13:25):
It's called branding.
Victor (13:26):
I built a net worth of more than $10 billion.
It's called branding.
Chris (13:29):
I built a net worth of more than $10 billion.
So the Gulf has always been ashared resource, a place where
both countries have alongenjoyed a relationship of
cooperation.
So now the immediate reactionto this was mixed.
Some supported it, calling it away to assert American
dominance in the region.
Others, however, were outraged,pointing out that Gulf of
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Mexico has been called that forcenturies and the name has
strong ties to Mexican identityand history.
Supporters of the change arguedthat the name should reflect
the geopolitical angle, which isthe Gulf of Mexico is home to
many US naval bases and oil rigs.
So supporters of the namechange argued that Gulf is now
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primarily associated with theUnited States in terms of
military strategy and economicdominance, but not Mexico.
Victor (14:18):
Was it ever primarily thought as Mexican dominance?
Like we share the Gulf, Isn'tit?
International waters?
Yeah, but I think just the name, though.
Don't you think I never thoughtMexico owned the Gulf of Mexico
?
I went to the beach in Florida.
I never was like I'm in Mexiconow, Like that never crossed my
mind.
Do you think they'll everchange it back?
(14:39):
Yeah, Obama's going to changeit back.
Cesar (14:41):
You can do an executive action.
Rob (14:43):
Yeah, I know, but like are you really going to do that?
Are you going to be changingthe names back and forth like
that's a bad?
Victor (14:48):
one to be diplomatic.
Wouldn't that fuck up contracts?
Rob (14:50):
that's what I was thinking like.
Cesar (14:52):
There's gotta be a lot of businesses tied to this name
well, listen, if you're underthis administration, contracts
don't mean shit, so what do youmean?
Rob (14:59):
doesn't?
Victor (14:59):
matter yeah, what are you talking?
Cesar (15:00):
about a lot of these government contracts are trying
to cancel them.
Contract is legally binding, soa lot of these uh uh companies
that have already done the workor currently doing the work are
like we want to get paid.
So, in terms of like it canchange it yes, because
everything needs to be on thecontract right.
If you're signing a contractwith any agency, everything has
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to be on fine print, clear, soanything like that it can.
It can kind of affect it, butthis administration has shown
that contracts don't mean shit.
Why do you say that, though?
Like what contracts?
Nih?
A lot of those contracts havebeen kind of canceled because of
Doge, okay, and mostly whenDoge has said oh hey, we have
(15:44):
found we have kind of canceledcontracts.
That's what I mean.
It's just contractors doingwork Okay, okay, yeah, but if
you're going to go intogovernment contracting, the
first thing they tell you isthat make sure that everything
on that contract is right thefirst time, because once you
sign it, it's really a bitchthat's trying to go back and
(16:05):
make any amendments.
Victor (16:06):
Right.
Because if I'm like an oilcompany right, and I got rights
to drill somewhere and it saysGulf of Mexico and another oil
company comes in, somehow getsmessed up and gets the same
rights to drill at the samelocation, but it says Gulf of
America, they have to likesettle that in court.
Cesar (16:24):
Yeah, government contracts if you look at them
they're like some of them couldbe like 100 pages and it's super
detailed for that specificreason.
Rob (16:33):
So by changing the name of this could they avoid some
contracts.
Cesar (16:38):
Let's ask China GPT Confirm A name change doesn't
automatically grant the right tocancel a contract, because
contracts are legally binding.
But there are othercircumstances where you may.
That has nothing to do with thenames oh good.
Rob (16:52):
So it's really just about what countries are going to
adopt this name and which onesare going to resist it, and
that's really just a politicalpower play yes, I think only one
country, oh, I think only twocountries are going to adopt
this name and who are the two?
Victor (17:07):
the us and greenland and israel.
I'm just saying like it is,just saying like it is.
What does that mean?
Cesar (17:18):
question chris.
What was the official uhresponse from the mexican
government?
Chris (17:22):
all I know is they were pissed.
Cesar (17:23):
That's about it well, they were probably pissed
because it's an executive actionfrom one country.
There is no dialect, there's nodialogue between two countries,
two nations, right, they didn'tdo it in a proper way, but the
thing is who has the rightthough.
Chris (17:36):
Is it like a country voting or is it like a UN
situation, like who has theright regardless?
Cesar (17:43):
You kind of have to do it diplomatically, right?
Victor (17:45):
I mean, yeah, if you want it to be internationally
recognized sure.
Rob (17:49):
So Mexican President Claudia Scheinbaum, a very
Mexican name.
Wow, that was racist of you.
That's a very Mexican name,it's pronounced.
Victor (17:59):
Scheinbaum.
Yeah, you were just like a veryMexican name Wink wink, wink
wink.
Rob (18:07):
You said it not me like wink, wink, not me, but uh
answered to uh us donald trumpabout the idea of changing the
name to the gulf of america, andshe is quoted to say he can
call it whatever he wants on theamerican part of it.
So I really don't think theycare.
I mean, I'm sure it was like ayou know backhanded dig, but
(18:28):
does it really matter?
We're just changing books.
The rest of the world is notchanging theirs, so they're
probably thought processes youcan call whatever you want.
Chris (18:36):
To make it simple, it's like if our podcast was called
Rob and Caesar's podcast andthen, out of nowhere, victor
comes in and he was like guys,I'm doing a lot of work, I'm
just going to change to Victor'spodcast now, like that's pretty
much what Trump did.
Victor (18:53):
I mean, it pretty much is my podcast.
Rob (18:56):
Well, first of all, let's not throw any ideas out there.
Okay, I'm not doing the Victorpodcast.
Victor's podcast does not havea very good ring to it.
We polled and people want tohear, you know a very good ring
to it.
We polled and people want tohear you know.
Victor (19:09):
Interesting enough the US portion of the Gulf of
Mexico's coastline is about1,700 miles.
The Mexican coastline along theGulf of Mexico is about 1,743
miles.
So they have about 43 milesmore coastline than we do.
Rob (19:28):
Interesting, I don't know.
Yeah, if I knew that I'd saymajority rules there.
Victor (19:36):
Yeah, it's like remember when we decided to just
unlawfully invade two countriesat the same time or close to
each other and we just decidedto start calling them Freedom
Fries because the French didn'twant to come with us.
Yes, I remember that.
What do you call them now?
Do you still call them FreedomFries?
Rob (19:53):
No, we went back to French Fries.
Victor (19:56):
I never left French Fries.
Rob (19:57):
to be honest, I had a stint in freedom fries, uh, but they
were never that on the menu, soI went with french fries I think
they just say fries for themost part.
Chris (20:07):
Oh yeah I've never said fries french fries, yeah, or
regular fries, yeah, regularfries, I think, because they
call curly fries, then curlyfries, just curly fries that's
why you call regular friesregular fries or if you're
australian, you call them likefry fries or some chips do they
do chips?
Rob (20:23):
I don't know, but they're very like british, you know, so
I could see them do chips.
Victor (20:26):
Wow, that's, I mean let's be that's one person on
this podcast opinion.
Rob (20:31):
Uh, I support australia's independence oi, oi oi listen, I
am a historian when it comes toaustralia so I'm just dating it
back there.
Victor (20:42):
I'm here in the colonies .
I'm here living in the coloniesbecause I am a historian, and
by historian.
Rob (20:48):
I watched something on the History Channel.
Cesar (20:51):
Ancient aliens.
Are these markers left foraliens arriving to Earth from
space?
Victor (20:59):
I mean to be honest, I'll probably still call it the
Gulf of Mexico.
Cesar (21:02):
Yeah.
Rob (21:02):
It's like the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Chris (21:04):
Yeah, I know right, you can rename it.
Cesar (21:07):
When are you going to say the Gulf of Mexico?
When will that ever come up?
Rob (21:09):
Yeah, I don't really use it in my regular day vernacular.
Victor (21:13):
Well, I'll use it if I'm in Mexico all the time.
Rob (21:21):
Like when you go down to Cancun or hey, you want to dip
in, really Take a dip into theGulf.
Cesar (21:24):
Yeah, I don't think I've ever used it.
Rob (21:27):
I'll be honest.
When I heard of this, I had tolook it up on a map.
I was like is that on the eastside, or?
Victor (21:31):
the west side.
Rob (21:33):
Majority of Americans.
We don't know much aboutgeography.
Victor (21:39):
Again, I think you're speaking for yourself.
Rob (21:43):
Not you, because you know how atomic clocks work.
Chris (21:45):
I look at a map every once in a while, professor
Victor, here.
Victor (21:50):
Yeah, mr Dinosaur, asteroid Hit Russia.
Cesar (21:54):
I thought, it was Greenland.
Rob (21:57):
Close enough.
I'm just telling the peoplewhat they already know.
Has he said that he wants tochange anything else?
Chris (22:04):
Not that I know of.
Victor (22:05):
Yeah, he wants to change Ukraine to Russia.
Oh, it's a joke, it's aUkrainian war joke.
Oh, right, right, right, right,right, too soon.
All right, guys, I didn't know.
Cesar (22:18):
For them it will be yeah.
Victor (22:20):
You're right now not in a very good position.
Chris (22:22):
I don't know, maybe he has some military agenda, like a
naval, where he wants to putmore ships out there.
Victor (22:29):
For what I don't know.
It's not contested territory.
Cesar (22:33):
Well, after everyone finds out that dinosaurs died
there, it might be.
Chris (22:45):
You said you've got a T-rex.
I wonder now in the historyclass, when they talk about gulf
of america, they're gonna belike yeah, gulf of america guys.
Yeah, high five.
Victor (22:50):
And like get all cheered up.
It is if you're in a in schoolin like missouri, mississippi,
alabama, places where like,where you have your textbook
next to your Bible, those placesand on the third day, God
created the Remington BullAction Rifle.
Chris (23:08):
So where does that leave us?
Is it just a name or is itsomething more?
The Gulf of Mexico, now Gulf ofAmerica, has become a political
battleground representing thelarger cultural and geopolitical
tensions between the UnitedStates and its southern neighbor
.
For now it looks like thedebate will continue, but as for
the new name, it's already onthe maps for some, but will it
(23:31):
ever stick in the heart of mindsof the people?
Cesar (23:34):
only time will tell final thoughts caesar listen, I
haven't said the gulf of americasince probably high school.
You haven't said what?
Oh my bad, scratch that.
I haven't said the gulf ofmexico, the gulf of mexico since
high school, years and yearsago.
I don't think I'm going to saythe hookup from america either.
I did not understand thisexecutive action when it came
(23:55):
out.
Still don't, don't understandit.
But you guys might be right.
It might be some sort of softpower move that only they and
their supporters understand.
That's far from me.
It's whatever victor.
Victor (24:08):
Yeah, listen, like I said before, I'm probably still
gonna call it the gulf of mexico.
I don't think the name changekind of makes sense.
It's been this way for likehundreds of years.
It's not offending anyone, atleast that I know of.
It doesn't offend me as anAmerican to call it the Gulf of
Mexico.
I think it's some like smalldick fucking moves to just make
(24:29):
yourself feel stronger.
What?
Rob (24:31):
about you, rob.
Listen, I think it was a goodmove, and let me tell you why.
I understand him trying toexpand patriotism and clear
things up.
I mean, we are in the Americas,right, so let's call it the
Gulf of America.
That's one thing.
But if you go on to the otherside of Mexico, there's another
Gulf, and out of the four peoplehere, only one of us probably
(24:52):
knows what it's called the gulfof california.
Did you just look that up?
yes, because I told you I don'tknow now the gulf of california
has only 350 miles of coastline,where mexico has approximately
1200 miles of coastline.
So we're talking about the samesituation and we call that the
(25:13):
gulf of calline.
So we're talking about the samesituation and we call that the
Gulf of California.
But we're getting so worked upabout the Gulf of America, so to
me he wants to go ahead andchange it.
We already have a precedent setwith the Gulf of California.
It's a nice gulf, it's the bestgulf, it's one of the best,
better gulfs we have in theUnited States.
And sounds good, makes sense tome, says it on my map, I don't
(25:35):
know any better.
Victor (25:36):
So for the record, maga does not consider california
part of the united states.
Rob (25:44):
Yeah, what do you?
Chris (25:44):
now I'm completely done yeah as always, let us know what
what you think.
Do you support the name changeor do do you think it's a step
too far?
Head over to our social mediapage to join the conversation.
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Victor (26:10):
Later.
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