April 9, 2025 • 37 mins
A meticulously crafted playbook for reshaping America exists - and it's hiding in plain sight. Project 2025 isn't just another set of conservative policy ideas; it's a revolutionary 900+ page blueprint with millions of dollars behind it, created by the Heritage Foundation.
The plan's four pillars form a comprehensive strategy: a policy agenda that would eliminate DEI initiatives and expand executive power; a personnel database filled with pre-vetted conservative appointees; an academy to train officials in dismantling progressive policies; and a 180-day implementation strategy designed to move too quickly for opposition to organize.
Though Trump publicly distances itself from Project 2025, claiming "He have nothing to do with it," the connections are undeniable. Multiple authors now hold positions in his administration, and his own Agenda 47 shares significant overlap with the project's recommendations - just without some of the most controversial elements.
Whether you see this as a necessary correction to government overreach or a dangerous power grab depends on your political perspective. What's certain is that if implemented, Project 2025 would fundamentally transform American governance for generations. Subscribe now to stay informed about the forces shaping our democracy's future.
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Rob (00:00):
So what if I told you there's already a detailed,
step-by-step plan written,funded and ready to go that
could completely reshape the USgovernment?
I'm sold.
Victor (00:10):
Sign me up.
Wouldn't there be a bunch ofthose plans?
Rob (00:13):
Well, this one is a plan to overhaul how Washington works,
dismantle federal agencies,consolidate power under the
presidency and roll back thosepesky regulations on everything
from business to education.
Victor (00:27):
I'd say finally, because I've been wanting to dump my
antifreeze in the publicwaterways for a very long time
and damn, these fuckingregulations have stopped me.
Chris (00:39):
Well, now you can Good.
Cesar (00:41):
It's true, doesn't have to be antifreeze.
You could do waste now.
Victor (00:45):
Yeah, but I prefer dumping my toxic chemicals, you
know Because of the colors, youlet people know that you're
dumping waste.
I want our fish to be verycolorful.
Rob (00:54):
And yeah, iridescent, there's nothing like.
Victor (00:56):
And if they ingest enough antifreeze, then when the
water freezes in the winterthey have no issues.
So when the water freezes inthe winter they have no issues.
So you're really giving back.
Yeah, I'm just thinking aheador behind, what do?
Cesar (01:07):
those two.
Rob (01:11):
So to others, this might be a power grab, a blueprint for
bypassing democratic checks andbalances.
They call it Project 2025.
But what exactly is it?
I'm not dumb, but what'sProject 2025?
Cesar (01:25):
Welcome to the I'm not dumb, but what's Project 2025?
Welcome to the I'm not dumb,but podcast, where we won't
claim to have the answers tolife's deepest questions but
we'll give you an excitingjourney into the realms of
knowledge you never knew you'deither.
Might be mainstream, but notcommon knowledge.
From artificial intelligence toconspiracy theories, no topic
is too taboo for us to explore.
Let's get curious together.
Rob (01:44):
No topic is too taboo for us to explore.
Let's get curious together.
I'm Rob, your host for today,joined by the man who's poised
to become America's firstDominican president, caesar Yup.
The lifeblood of this podcast,victor, how y'all doing, and, of
course, indb's officialbackground noise, chris.
Victor (02:02):
That's him in the background.
He's like our laugh track.
Rob (02:11):
All right.
So why are we talking aboutthis?
You guys know about it, youhear about it, I have heard
about it, you have heard aboutit.
Chris (02:18):
No no.
Victor (02:19):
I never heard this.
Jesus Christ people, Do youguys know what's going?
Cesar (02:23):
on in the world.
I don't care about anything.
Rob (02:25):
Chris is still buying Nestle bars.
Listen.
Cesar (02:28):
Chris's nest egg is so big, this is mere nothing to him
.
Victor (02:32):
Peanuts.
He's one of the Koreanoligarchs.
He is the heir to.
Chris (02:36):
Samsung.
Yeah, there we go.
You never know.
Rob (02:42):
It's a Patek Philippe.
It's incredibly accurate.
Every time you look at it, ittells you exactly how rich you
are.
So when Donald Trump won thepresidency in 2016, he came in
with big promises.
You guys remember that Drainthe swamp, shake things up, put
America first.
But once in office, he kind ofran into the hard reality that
the federal government ismassive and slow moving.
(03:03):
So, whether you see that aschecks or balances or the deep
state, trump struggled and raninto some resistance along the
way.
So conservatives, they don'twant to repeat this experience
this time.
The goal is to hit the groundrunning with a plan to ensure
every agency policy and keyposition is aligned for their
vision on day one.
(03:23):
So that's where Project 2025comes in.
It's not just a set of ideas.
It's a fully developed strategyto overhaul the federal
government and push throughconservative policies.
Cesar (03:35):
I actually read some of the things that they wanted to
do and, to be honest, I kind ofstopped reading it halfway in it
because I was like this isreally dark.
Oh, really, this is kind thisis really dark.
Oh, really, this kind of like.
Chris (03:45):
Yeah, this is kind of like, uh, wow, I was like this
is not good, so pretty much itis like a trump's plan
technically it is not trump'splan, so this was.
Rob (03:56):
So let's get into the background here, right?
It is not trump's plan.
So project 2025 is actually ledby a conservative think tank
called the Heritage Foundation.
It was co -authored with 140former Trump administration
officials and it's backed by 100affiliated conservative
organizations had a $22 millionbudget behind it to create this
(04:21):
initiative, so this isn't thefirst time the conservative
administration used a policyblueprint.
Actually, in 1980s, the sameHeritage Foundation provided
Ronald Reagan with the Mandatefor Leadership, and that was an
1100-page guide to reshaping thefederal government, very
similar to Project 2025.
(04:43):
And Reagan took it seriously.
His administration actuallyadopted two-thirds of the 2,000
recommendations of this mandatefor leadership.
So Project 2025 is the rampedup new version that builds on
the legacy, but with a lot moreurgent and maybe aggressive
approaches.
At the heart of this plan, ithas four things, which are
(05:06):
called the conservative promises, and that is restoring the
family as the foundation ofAmerican life, dismantling the
administrative or deep state,defending national sovereignty
by securing our borders.
And protecting individualrights and constitutional
freedoms.
Victor (05:23):
How does that sound to you?
I don't know what most of thatmeans.
Cesar (05:26):
Yeah me neither.
Rob (05:27):
Really, it's pretty straightforward.
Cesar (05:29):
It goes one way, and then the application of it is
completely opposite.
Victor (05:32):
What was the first one again, what was the first two?
Rob (05:34):
So, they plan to restore the family as the foundation of
American life.
Victor (05:41):
They're basically advocating for traditional
family.
Hold on, hold on.
Let me ask my fucking question,just let me ask your question,
bro.
It's not about you.
There's a lot to go through.
There's a lot to unpack there.
So what does re-centeringAmerican life around the family?
Has it not been around thefamily?
Like what did it shift towards?
Rob (06:07):
Dude, it shifted, I think maybe.
Victor (06:09):
It shifted yeah, it shifted To what?
The fact that I can't affordanything and barely can afford
to have a family, or the factthat my life revolves around
work?
Rob (06:19):
The problem with you is you're not having the right
family.
Okay, you need to be.
We need to restore the family Ineed less cats.
Victor (06:27):
What is that family?
Cesar (06:28):
Yes, Less cats, then I'm out.
Victor (06:31):
I just don't understand where that shift was.
Are people not wanting to havefamilies?
Rob (06:38):
I think they want to go with the traditional family
structure is what they're tryingto say?
Victor (06:42):
Oh yes.
Rob (06:42):
I can't afford that.
A mom, a dad and two and a halfchildren.
Victor (06:47):
How much is a kid?
A lot of money.
Rob (06:49):
A lot of money Do you get a lot back on your taxes, though.
Victor (06:52):
No.
Up till what age is the averageamount spent on a child?
Rob (06:58):
Oh it's got to be like $300,000, $400,000 up to 18
years old.
Victor (07:01):
Probably if more, if not more.
I don't make that kind of extracash and can afford a house and
a fucking car have you lookedinto egg alternatives like
oatmeal?
Cesar (07:12):
yeah, egg whites.
Do you still buy your avocadotoast?
Victor (07:15):
no, I have to give that up because after mexico's
tariffs, they're gonna goavocados, thank you.
Chris (07:22):
It says 330,000 on average for a child born to age
18.
Cesar (07:28):
I believe it, I believe it, all right.
So bring family first, okay.
The second one is get rid ofthe administration.
Rob (07:35):
Dismantle the administrative state.
Now, what does that mean?
Victor (07:38):
Well, you said deep state at first.
Rob (07:40):
Yes, I said, dismantle the administrative state, or what
they like to call the deep state.
Victor (07:44):
So I don't understand what you mean by that.
Rob (07:47):
So the deep state the way this is kind of written up is
basically the administrativeportions or people within
bureaucracy or who are holdingit up.
Federal workers could be partof the deep state Programs
administratives in programs thatare wasting money and holding
things up.
Victor (08:06):
What programs are wasting money Now?
Are we talking about theDepartment of Defense, or are we
talking about Social Security?
Rob (08:14):
I think it really depends on your definition of waste.
Victor (08:17):
I mean, I'm not denying that there's somewhat amount of
waste happening, but I am highlyskeptical that there's so much
waste that it's being it'sbankrupting the country.
Cesar (08:27):
I feel like.
I feel like sometimes when theysay that they kind of conflate
two different things waste andgetting rid of the people who
are are in the way.
A lot of the times inapplication, it's regulators who
are trying to do their job inpreventing something from
happening, so they're puttingboth of them together.
(08:47):
A lot of the times they're notseparating each issue.
So when you say deep state,sometimes I'm like so what
exactly are they talking about?
Are they talking aboutregulations or actually getting
rid of waste?
Rob (09:00):
I think the idea would be to reduce federal agencies and
cutting regulations so they canshift authority to elected
officials and state governmentsor private entities.
Chris (09:12):
But those agencies are in place because of something
happened in the history, rightFor a reason.
Victor (09:20):
Right, very rarely is government proactive, it's
mostly reactive.
Rob (09:25):
Right.
So how does Project 2025 planto achieve this?
Do you know much about thestructure of it?
Cesar (09:32):
I'm assuming Doge is part of it, right?
Is it Doge entirely?
Rob (09:37):
No, actually there's nothing that says anything about
Doge in here, really.
And their plan?
It is transparent.
It is on their website.
You can get a free copy of thePDF.
It's 900 pages long.
You could read through thewhole thing and it tells a
step-by-step guide on what theplan is.
(09:58):
It is as transparent as youcould possibly want to be.
Cesar (10:01):
Why did they originally have it kind of like secret and
why were a lot of people kind oflike turning away from it?
So it wasn't really secret.
Rob (10:09):
The problem was that near the end of like the presidential
run, when Trump was like reallystarting to big up the
Democrats, it started gettingout on TikTok obviously is where
we get all our information onand the Democrats jumped on it
and were like, oh my God, thisis a major talking point that we
could have brought up tobasically say this is this crazy
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authoritarian type of plan thatthey had, and they only started
using it the last two to threemonths of the campaign and you
heard about it.
Then Trump got elected and itdoesn't really matter anymore.
So the idea is to ensure, fromday one, the future conservative
administration has a clear planto enact policies and to
reflect these principles.
(10:53):
But here's where things getinteresting.
So Donald Trump has publiclystated that he knows nothing
about Project 2025 and hasdistanced himself from it, which
is what Cesar was saying.
Victor (11:04):
As you know and as she knows better than anyone, I have
nothing to do with Project 2025.
Rob (11:09):
But instead he has his own government overhaul plan called
Agenda 47, which he says will behis defining vision for his
second term.
So, while there's a clearoverlap which we'll see between
Trump's Agenda 47, project 2025.
You guys, let me know, at theend of the day, what your
(11:29):
thought here is, but it's beenout there.
I mean, if you really thinkabout it, this plan, this idea
has been around since the 1980s.
Absolutely nothing new.
Victor (11:37):
I wouldn't say it's been around since the 1980s, but
every year a project comes outfrom this foundation.
So there was a Project 2024.
There was a Project 2023.
Like every year, this thinktank gets together and goes we
need to come up with a plan topush a conservative agenda.
Cesar (11:54):
Isn't one of the main architects of Project 2025 in
the Trump administration.
Rob (12:00):
Yes, multiple authors of Project 2025 are actually in
Trump's administration.
Cesar (12:07):
Who's the big dog?
I forgot his name.
Rob (12:09):
Russell Vought is the former director of Office of
Management and Budget From theboys.
Yeah, so Vought is actuallypart of this.
Victor (12:16):
Vought are the ones that fucking created the country.
Rob (12:19):
They say that he co-authored this and I think he
wrote like one chapter, but alot of people kind of put their
input in it.
Up until this point, we've beentalking about how the idea of
this is to restructure policyand reform bureaucrats and all
this stuff.
But there's a lot of policiesin here that are kind of radical
, that go beyond tax cuts andregulation.
So one of them is actually inProject 2025 is banning
(12:42):
pornography entirely.
So this group basically saysthat the federal government
should regulate and restrictaccess to adult content, rolling
back same-sex marriageprotections, completely get rid
of that, restrictingcontraception access, completely
getting rid of that.
And federal crackdowns on wokecorporations, pushing for
(13:03):
regulations to punish companiesfor engaging in diversity or
LGBTQ initiatives.
So it's a little bit more thanthat.
There are some very, veryradical ideas in this thing.
Maybe that's why a lot of theconservatives kind of backed
away from it because you knowwhat I mean.
Victor (13:20):
I think one of them was something about registering.
If you've gotten an abortion,it needs to be registered.
And then conservatives pushback and be like it doesn't say
register, it just says your nameneeds to be on the list.
And then you're just looking atthem like that's registering.
Rob (13:37):
Totally different.
We didn't use NAR.
Cesar (13:38):
Yeah, oh no.
Victor (13:40):
It's a list.
It's a nice list.
It's like a Post-it.
You're really just putting iton a post-it so we can refer to
it later on.
Rob (13:46):
And document it.
I'm like a smart person.
We now know what Project 2525is, but how are they going to do
this?
The way they break out theirplan is they break it into four
pillars.
Ooh.
Victor (13:58):
I like pillars.
Chris, do you like pillars?
You're an engineer?
Sure, I guess, chris is likeChris is a cuss word.
Cesar (14:04):
Just Chris.
If the pillars aren't made ofmoney, he doesn't care.
Rob (14:08):
Chris, there's a red telephone sign on the bottom of
your thing, just click that.
I'm so bored.
So one is reforming policy, twois the presidential personnel
database, three is training andfour is their 180-day playbook.
So pillar one, the policyagenda.
This is the idea where one ofthe loudest talking points you
(14:32):
guys probably heard is like DEIand woke indoctrination right.
So there's a lot of policy.
That's another thing.
Victor (14:39):
I don't understand.
I don't understand that either.
I don't know what woke means,and I'm liberal, I just I don't
understand what woke means.
Do you guys know what wokemeans?
Cesar (14:48):
Yeah, I don't quite understand.
Victor (14:51):
It's past tense of wake I definitely don't know well
then, I I'll shut my mouth moneydon't why don't you wake up,
bro?
No, but like, does woke meanstop making fun of gay people?
Because if that's the case,then okay, isn't that good?
Like don't we not want toberate people for their
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sexuality?
Cesar (15:12):
Not unless it's their belief.
I feel like a lot of the timeit's like okay, this is what I
believe, this is what I grew upwith.
If it deviates slightly fromwhat I believe and I think, then
I consider it woke.
Victor (15:23):
This is what I know.
I remember when we were inschool, when we were kids, if we
thought you were gay, if we hadthe inkling, if there was a
rumor, we would berate you andfucking make fun of you.
And if that doesn't existanymore, I think the world is
better off, because that was ahorrible time.
That's woke talk, right thereIs that woke talk.
(15:45):
Well, in that case, the worldshould be woke.
If that's the fucking case,yeah, I mean, people shouldn't
be made fun of for who they are.
I'll be honest with you, Idon't understand the gender
thing, but if I meet someone andthey go, hey, I'm a, they, them
, I'll be like, okay, cool, if Isomehow use pronouns when
talking to you, I will refer toyou as they, them, the same
(16:11):
thing that if I meet you and Isay, hey, my name is victor and
you decide to call me brett,we're gonna have a problem
because I told you my fuckingname.
Chris (16:15):
I'm gonna take him as disrespect.
Cesar (16:16):
Watch your mouth you know , I feel like there's always,
there's an undertone of likereligion which triggers people.
That whole, they them thepronouns, all that stuff.
But then there's another partof me that's just like people
think it's stupid and becausethey think it's stupid and
because they think it's stupid,they don't want to change and
they don't want to accept it.
I could be wrong, because Idon't really understand this
whole woke thing.
Rob (16:36):
I don't think many people do.
Don't things get muddied up andweird Like, don't we need
structure?
Victor (16:43):
Muddied up how?
Because?
Rob (16:45):
you're a helicopter.
Victor (16:51):
If I want to be called a helicopter.
Rob (16:51):
Call me a fucking helicopter, but you're not a
helicopter, Not with thatfucking attitude.
Yep, and you'll never be.
You're not and you never willbe all right.
Victor (16:56):
Here's the thing.
We're from New York.
Why don't people mind theirfucking business?
Okay, If I come up to you and Isay, hey, I'm this, okay, cool.
Cesar (17:12):
I'm going to go back to minding my own fucking business,
I don't know.
Another large, large issue iswhen it stems into children.
They say children beingconfused or confusing children
into who exactly they are, andas parents you're kind of trying
to stop that it's not prettymuch something it's like to
learn, it's like a lessonlearned kind of thing.
Chris (17:28):
You do it, you fail, you hurt yourself and then you're
like, hmm, that was probably abad idea, so I won't do that
again, kind of thing.
So as a child, you go throughwhatever phase you have to go
through and you realize, hmm,that was okay, okay, I guess
that was not cool and like youkind of like figuring out by
yourself I mean, I, I could, Isee what you're saying, but like
, what if it goes too far?
Rob (17:50):
And what if you're doing it to protect your child, because
you know you're making a wrongdecision here and you might
regret it later?
Victor (17:57):
You can't make someone's mind up for them, even if it's
your child.
Rob (18:01):
But if your child doesn't even have their brain fully
formed yet and they have no ideawhat the hell they're talking
about.
Victor (18:07):
But what are you trying to get them to do or not do?
Rob (18:10):
I'm just throwing the idea out there.
It can go to many extremes.
When I grew up, I wanted to bea basketball player.
I was like I'm going to go intothe NBA.
You know what my dad said to me?
He had a talk with me one day.
He said listen, you're barelyfive foot.
He laid it all out for me.
At the end of the day, you knowwhat I realized?
There's no way in hell I'mgoing to be a basketball player.
(18:32):
So I should probably go toschool and probably get an
education, because it's just notgoing to be me.
Victor (18:38):
No matter how hard I try , I think that's kind of fucked
up.
To be honest, I turned out fine, I'm just fine right.
Rob (18:47):
I mean I never thought about that very often for the
entire rest of my life.
Cesar (18:53):
Doesn't even crumple paper anymore to throw it in the
garbage.
Rob (18:56):
Yeah, you know what If it's on the other side?
I'll get up and throw it in thetrash can.
Cesar (19:02):
And I said okay, pop.
Rob (19:04):
But he didn't really say that.
He said stop being a fuckingdinosaur and get a job.
So pillar one is the policyagenda, the idea of reshaping
the government.
So one of the policies iseliminating diversity, equity
and inclusion programs in thegovernment.
So some of the potentialbenefits that people might say
is that it ensures a hiringprocess based on qualifications
and experiences, where othersmight say, hey, this removes a
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lot of safeguards fordiscrimination and actually can
make it harder for people frommarginalized communities to
advance in the government.
Cesar (19:34):
Can I make a note here, though, because when they say
that, when you are hiring, thatis your main focus, what these
programs or these initiativestried to do was get people with
the same credentials who may nothave had the same chance as
someone else.
A lot of these companies theyhire from within, they hire from
the same stock, the same group,so if you're not in that little
(19:58):
club, you're not going to beable to be looked at.
It's not hiring someone of lessexperience, it's actually
hiring someone with the sameamount of experience, just with
a different viewpoint.
Rob (20:10):
I think where one of these issues comes from is that that
is the idea, but that is not theway it actually goes down in
the hiring process.
So you are looking forqualified candidates and you do
want to afford everyone thisposition, but it doesn't
actually pan out that way.
Cesar (20:30):
It ends up going other ways, sometimes in order to
check a box because there's awas a policy or there's a
diversity that factors in so outof 10 hires, one has to be a
specific type of race, and thennine can be whatever and and and
this is, but there's no allthroughout like no, there's no
box to check all the program isseen all throughout.
Victor (20:50):
There's no box to check.
All the program is saying, allthe DEIA is saying we need to
advertise this to communitiesthat you wouldn't normally
advertise this job to.
But the qualifications are thesame.
Now, if you're saying, ifyou're taking it internally as
hey, I need to hire someone of aspecific race, then that's on
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you.
That's not what the program'sdoing.
Rob (21:13):
You're doing that.
Yes, that is what that personis doing, and I think that's
what ends up happening in somecases, which is where this
stigma comes from.
Victor (21:24):
The issue is not with the program.
The issue is with you.
I don't know if that's the case.
You're saying, hey, listen, youguys gave me the tools to hire
these other people.
I don't know if that's the case.
I think, the problem is in theimplementation.
(21:49):
From what I've heard on theother side is that, yes, this is
a nice idea, but the way it'sbeing implemented is probably
not correct.
Is there any number or anyevidence of it not being
implemented correctly?
Rob (21:56):
Yes, I mean, I don't have it, but there is, and people
have said that in their hiringprocesses they feel that.
Victor (22:03):
Where can I find such information?
Rob (22:05):
I don't think you're going to find information like that.
Victor (22:08):
I think you're confusing DEI with affirmative action.
Okay, I don't know you're goingto find information like that.
I think you're confusing DEIwith affirmative action.
Rob (22:12):
Okay, I don't know what affirmative action is.
Victor (22:14):
Affirmative action is what you're talking about.
This over this person.
Rob (22:17):
And DEI is a pilot right.
Cesar (22:21):
Yeah, a bad one.
Victor (22:23):
The worst guy.
So affirmative actionspecifically targets
underrepresented groups inhiring and education.
Okay, so affirmative action isHarvard going?
We need ex-Asians in ourfucking classroom?
Dei is just saying hey, listen,we need to promote whatever job
(22:44):
posting out there for everybody.
Rob (22:47):
And then, when we go to hire them, we'll do whatever we
want Exactly.
Cesar (22:51):
Exactly.
Rob (22:52):
Exactly, yeah, cool Pillar one, well, pillar one.
Some of the policies arelimiting diversity, equity and
inclusion programs, expandingthe executive power and
weakening federal oversightfederal oversight and we've seen
some of these cases where someof the benefits of this is
basically the idea is creating amore efficient government by
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ensuring agencies quicklyimplement presidential policies
Some of the things that wetalked about in our executive
orders episodes but on the backend, they're saying that this
growing power in the executivebranch, this threatens the
independence of key agencies.
And then you start cuttingserious programs or places like
(23:38):
NOAA or the EPA and they canhave serious long-term
consequences.
Fuck the weather, dude.
I mean NOAA's a pretty big deal.
After we did that episode, Ithink that's a pretty big deal.
Yeah, don't take away my hackyweather.
Victor (23:47):
What storm.
Rob (23:48):
Pillar 2.
The Presidential PersonnelDatabase, and I actually think
this is pretty awesome.
So the second pillar is allabout staffing the government
who gets hired, who gets firedand how to make sure a
conservative administration hasthe right people.
From day one, it's literallywhat they have in there.
So to streamline this process,the Heritage Foundation
(24:10):
contracted with Oracle to createa hiring program platform where
conservative professionals canupload their resumes and
complete a survey with questionslike where did you hear about
Project 2025?
Name one public policy figurewhom you greatly admire and why.
And the US has the right toselect immigrants based on
(24:33):
country of origin.
Agree or disagree.
Basically, it's a conservativeLinkedIn.
You upload your resume, you getpart of this personnel, you are
vetted by questions to see whatyour ideology is and then, if
you are placed in here, theadministration that comes in can
say these are the people you'regoing to hire.
So you guys have probably heardof Schedule F.
Victor (24:56):
Yes.
Rob (24:58):
One of the executive orders that Trump had put in his first
2016 was basically this idea ofbeing able to fire civil
servants.
So there was a bunch of careercivil servants who are probably
doing a lot of administrativejobs and they are quote, unquote
the deep state.
So the idea is that if you canget rid of them and replace them
(25:18):
with political appointees thatyou can get from your
conservative LinkedIn, then alot of the things that you want
to get done are going to getdone faster.
Now, the one thing I thoughtabout with removing people is do
you just do this every fouryears, like you just lay off a
bunch of like federal, like howis that efficient?
Cesar (25:38):
a lot of the times, the whoever heads an agency might
get replaced by, like whateverdemocratic or republic.
Victor (25:45):
Well, they can't fire.
Uh, I don't think there's.
There's certain agency headsthat they cannot fire, so they'd
have to resign independent onesagency heads that they cannot
fire, so they'd have to resign.
Rob (25:56):
Independent ones he was trying to fire I think Trump was
trying to fire the head of theFederal Reserve was one of them.
Yeah, that's an independentagency, so you can't really fire
them.
Cesar (26:04):
But it wouldn't be efficient for you to come in
every four years.
Rob (26:08):
And just replace everybody.
Cesar (26:09):
Everybody, which never happens, because there's a lot
of Trump appointees, bidenappointees, even, like you
mentioned, career governmentpeople that just stay within
every administration and thinkabout it like you want that In
terms of efficiency.
Why would you want to putsomeone in who has no idea what
they're doing, potentially intoa position and just restart all
(26:29):
over every four years?
Rob (26:31):
But like I agree with that.
But like if Victor waspresident, and then I step in
and you're his boys, you'regoing to give me a hard time.
Cesar (26:38):
I think what a lot of the times happens is the head of
the agency.
You see it.
You're seeing it now withDepartment of Education.
What's her name?
Linda McMahon.
She was-.
Rob (26:49):
The WWE.
Cesar (26:50):
Yeah yeah, all this to say she WWE.
Yeah yeah, all this to say she,most likely all the other
people below her, the ones thatdon't quit.
It's all on her.
She's going to run the policyand she's going to tell
everybody else to do what theyhave to do.
So it might not be everybodywithin the department.
It just might be the most key,influential people.
Victor (27:05):
And again the other thing about it departments are
run by the people that move thepaperwork.
Rob (27:10):
Yes.
Victor (27:11):
If my job is to stamp A and make sure the form is filled
out, it doesn't matter who's myboss.
My job is the same.
If my job is to make sure youget payments, that's my job.
It doesn't matter who thefuck's in charge.
My job is still make sure thesepeople get their payments?
Rob (27:29):
Yeah, good point.
So now we're on to pillar threeof Project 2025 is all about
training.
So you just hired a bunch ofpeople, but now you got to get
them ready and trained to knowhow the government works.
How do you think they're goingto do that?
Powerpoint, yes, and they callit the Presidential
Administration Academy.
Do you have what it takes tochange the government?
(27:53):
Have you ever watched the newsand thought, wow, I could do
better than these bureaucrats?
Well, now you can.
Introducing the PresidentialAdministration Academy that's
right.
The Heritage Foundation isoffering an exclusive,
high-powered training programdesigned for conservative
warriors who want to take backthe federal government.
Think of it as basic trainingfor political dominance.
(28:17):
It just works.
What you'll learn?
How to dismantle progressivebureaucracy.
Say goodbye to outdated liberalpolicies and hello to
conservative efficiency.
Mastering the art of executiveorders Learn how to reshape
entire agencies with a singlesignature, appointment and
firing procedures.
Who stays, who goes, you decideConservative legal frameworks.
(28:40):
Train with top legal minds toapply an originalistic
interpretation of theConstitution.
Some of our graduation perksEarn your Certificate of
Conservative Leadership and gainVIP access to Project 2025
Personnel Database.
That's right.
Graduates, you'll be first inline for federal positions in
(29:00):
future Republican administration.
So where does it happen?
Online, from anywhere.
Victor (29:06):
Everything's a computer.
Rob (29:08):
Exclusive in-person seminars in Washington DC,
Personalized mentorship fromconservative political leaders.
But wait, there's more.
Sign up now and receive earlyaccess to our Federal Power
Playbook, your step-by-stepguide to taking control of
Washington in just 180 days.
Act fast.
Spots are limited.
(29:29):
Don't sit on the sidelines.
Become the government you wantto see.
Join the PresidentialAdministration Academy today.
Call now or visitwwwproject2025.com to apply.
What do you think about that?
Cesar (29:47):
Nice Sounds like a Coursera for conservatives.
Victor (29:51):
Is there a s'mores session?
Rob (29:53):
No, but there is rumored to have a chocolate fountain.
Oh, okay, I'm in Sold, I'm inand finally pillar four, which
is the 180-day playbook, A rapidtakeover strategy.
It's a detailed, agency byagency plan of how to dismantle
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existing policies and installconservative reforms as quickly
as possible.
So the goal here is to preventbureaucratic resistance by
making changes so fast that theopponents can't even organize an
effective response in time.
It ensures immediate action oncampaign promises.
Right Guy goes in, says this iswhat I want to do.
They get it done fast.
(30:34):
They usually use executiveorders to maybe make these
changes.
It prevents deep stateinterference those pesky
regulations and administratorsthey can't get involved with
this and it can reduceunnecessary government spending
and regulations.
So many of these policies arelooking to cut government
programs that the conservativesview as wasteful.
(30:55):
I guess the real question hereis does the president have this
ability to make such drasticchanges so quickly?
Victor (31:04):
Specifically with the Trump administration.
They are going to try to expandthe presidential powers to, in
my opinion, to new heights.
Rob (31:14):
It's important to note that Project 2025 is not Trump's
agenda.
Victor (31:20):
Nothing to do with Project 2025.
Rob (31:23):
Agenda 47 is totally different from Project 2025.
But, as we're seeing, theremight be some big similarities.
Some of it is very good, someof it's very mainstream actually
, and some of the people in hisoffice actually co-authored
Project 2025.
And some of the notable figurescould include Chris Miller, who
is the former acting Secretaryof Defense.
(31:44):
Brendan Carr, who was nominatedby Trump to lead the FCC.
Tom Haman, also appointed asthe border czar for the Trump
administration I'm sure you'veseen him on the news.
Russell Vought, which is theformer director of Office of
Management and Budget, whoactually co-authored a few or, I
(32:05):
think, one chapter in Project2025.
And Peter Navarro, who isappointed as senior counselor
for trade and manufacturing inTrump's administration,
appointed as senior counselorfor trade and manufacturing in
Trump's administration.
So, even though it's twodifferent things, there might be
some integration from Project2025's contributors into these
key positions.
Victor (32:23):
At this point, you're playing semantics.
You're like I'm not followingProject 2025, but I hired a lot
of people from it.
Chris (32:31):
So technically it's different.
Victor (32:33):
Come on, but is it really?
You're just like it's?
Cesar (32:36):
different Tomato tomato.
Yeah, is that the same?
I think it's tomato tomato.
Chris (32:42):
Same same, but different, but still same.
Cesar (32:46):
So what are the differences then?
Has he said, what has hearticulated that's different?
Or what have you found?
Rob (32:51):
I think more than half of the stuff in Project 2025 is
actually can be found in Agenda47.
But I think some of the maindifferences are the radical,
very outlandish things likebanning pornography and there's
some other things in there, buteven Trump said that there were.
The Trump administration saidthat there was very radical
(33:15):
ideas that they were not goingto implement.
I don't actually have a list ofwhat's not in there.
It's a 900 page book.
Cesar (33:22):
Agenda 47 is Project 2025 Light.
Rob (33:26):
Let's calories.
The idea here, from what I wasreading, is that when the Trump
administration first got intooffice, dc is a very closed knit
place and they don't reallytake to outsiders.
So to get a lot of stuff done,you got to know people, you got
to have the right people, yougot to have your people in place
, and that's difficult to do,especially when you're not
(33:46):
coming from that industry orthat.
Who are we talking?
Victor (33:49):
about the Trump administration as not coming
from that field.
He was president for four years.
The first time the Trumpadministration as not coming
from that field.
Cesar (33:54):
He was president for four years, the first time.
Victor (33:56):
The first time.
Right, this is the second timewe're talking about.
Rob (33:58):
Right.
So I think the first time whenhe came in he ran into some
issues.
People were giving him a hardtime.
So this time he comes in andhe's ready.
He's ready, he's got a wholeplaybook, he's got a list of
ideas, he's got a structuredprogram and there are a lot of
conservative backing behind itthat are going to be here to
(34:21):
support him this time so hedoesn't make the same mistakes
or try to get what he wants donequickly.
Chris (34:27):
I mean he couldn't copy entirely.
He's got to change himselfright.
Victor (34:31):
I mean Trump probably loves his porn.
I mean if he likes Russianhookers pissing on him.
Rob (34:38):
Do we know that for sure?
Victor (34:39):
Allegedly, if he allegedly loves golden showers.
Cesar (34:42):
I missed that episode of the Apprentice Showers.
Rob (34:45):
Showers.
So what are your guys' keytakeaways?
Chris (34:49):
Chris, it's like I get it .
I like what they're trying todo, right, but is it possible,
though?
Is it something that we couldchange right away, or something
that we can implement like nowand then it'll be good next year
, like you know, I mean?
Or is it something that is likea long-term plan, where it's
(35:10):
not just 180 days or 100 days,it's like it takes centuries?
I mean, the government we havenow is the product of the past,
like you know, all the yearsfrom George Washington, right?
So I don't know.
I mean, to me it seems likejust the idea, and then it's
(35:30):
just something to just like talkabout, to go over and whatever,
but are they actually gonnawork?
Cesar (35:37):
I don't know, caesar, listen from the outside looking
at this is a ingenious way toliterally shape not only the
government but shape thiscountry as you see fit.
Where I differ is that theremight be conservative policies
that I don't agree with,conservative policies that may
not actually benefit anyone butthem.
Victor (35:58):
Victor, George Bush does not care about black people.
Drop the mic.
Oh God no.
I think in general, this wholeproject, even if it is wrapped
in a Trump steak package, soldthat sharper image to us.
I think that it's going tocause serious and an unknown
(36:24):
amount of damage to the countrythat we've built, to the point
where we probably, if we everrecover from it, will probably
take more than our lifetimes torecover from.
That being said, what we haveisn't perfect.
What we have needs a lot ofimprovement.
To start dismantling it, Ithink, is the wrong direction to
(36:44):
how to fix something.
Rob (36:46):
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Cesar (37:06):
Later Everything's computer.
So what if I told you there's already a detailed,
step-by-step plan written,funded and ready to go that
could completely reshape the USgovernment?
I'm sold.
Victor (00:10):
Sign me up.
Wouldn't there be a bunch ofthose plans?
Rob (00:13):
Well, this one is a plan to overhaul how Washington works,
dismantle federal agencies,consolidate power under the
presidency and roll back thosepesky regulations on everything
from business to education.
Victor (00:27):
I'd say finally, because I've been wanting to dump my
antifreeze in the publicwaterways for a very long time
and damn, these fuckingregulations have stopped me.
Chris (00:39):
Well, now you can Good.
Cesar (00:41):
It's true, doesn't have to be antifreeze.
You could do waste now.
Victor (00:45):
Yeah, but I prefer dumping my toxic chemicals, you
know Because of the colors, youlet people know that you're
dumping waste.
I want our fish to be verycolorful.
Rob (00:54):
And yeah, iridescent, there's nothing like.
Victor (00:56):
And if they ingest enough antifreeze, then when the
water freezes in the winterthey have no issues.
So when the water freezes inthe winter they have no issues.
So you're really giving back.
Yeah, I'm just thinking aheador behind, what do?
Cesar (01:07):
those two.
Rob (01:11):
So to others, this might be a power grab, a blueprint for
bypassing democratic checks andbalances.
They call it Project 2025.
But what exactly is it?
I'm not dumb, but what'sProject 2025?
Cesar (01:25):
Welcome to the I'm not dumb, but what's Project 2025?
Welcome to the I'm not dumb,but podcast, where we won't
claim to have the answers tolife's deepest questions but
we'll give you an excitingjourney into the realms of
knowledge you never knew you'deither.
Might be mainstream, but notcommon knowledge.
From artificial intelligence toconspiracy theories, no topic
is too taboo for us to explore.
Let's get curious together.
Rob (01:44):
No topic is too taboo for us to explore.
Let's get curious together.
I'm Rob, your host for today,joined by the man who's poised
to become America's firstDominican president, caesar Yup.
The lifeblood of this podcast,victor, how y'all doing, and, of
course, indb's officialbackground noise, chris.
Victor (02:02):
That's him in the background.
He's like our laugh track.
Rob (02:11):
All right.
So why are we talking aboutthis?
You guys know about it, youhear about it, I have heard
about it, you have heard aboutit.
Chris (02:18):
No no.
Victor (02:19):
I never heard this.
Jesus Christ people, Do youguys know what's going?
Cesar (02:23):
on in the world.
I don't care about anything.
Rob (02:25):
Chris is still buying Nestle bars.
Listen.
Cesar (02:28):
Chris's nest egg is so big, this is mere nothing to him
.
Victor (02:32):
Peanuts.
He's one of the Koreanoligarchs.
He is the heir to.
Chris (02:36):
Samsung.
Yeah, there we go.
You never know.
Rob (02:42):
It's a Patek Philippe.
It's incredibly accurate.
Every time you look at it, ittells you exactly how rich you
are.
So when Donald Trump won thepresidency in 2016, he came in
with big promises.
You guys remember that Drainthe swamp, shake things up, put
America first.
But once in office, he kind ofran into the hard reality that
the federal government ismassive and slow moving.
(03:03):
So, whether you see that aschecks or balances or the deep
state, trump struggled and raninto some resistance along the
way.
So conservatives, they don'twant to repeat this experience
this time.
The goal is to hit the groundrunning with a plan to ensure
every agency policy and keyposition is aligned for their
vision on day one.
(03:23):
So that's where Project 2025comes in.
It's not just a set of ideas.
It's a fully developed strategyto overhaul the federal
government and push throughconservative policies.
Cesar (03:35):
I actually read some of the things that they wanted to
do and, to be honest, I kind ofstopped reading it halfway in it
because I was like this isreally dark.
Oh, really, this is kind thisis really dark.
Oh, really, this kind of like.
Chris (03:45):
Yeah, this is kind of like, uh, wow, I was like this
is not good, so pretty much itis like a trump's plan
technically it is not trump'splan, so this was.
Rob (03:56):
So let's get into the background here, right?
It is not trump's plan.
So project 2025 is actually ledby a conservative think tank
called the Heritage Foundation.
It was co -authored with 140former Trump administration
officials and it's backed by 100affiliated conservative
organizations had a $22 millionbudget behind it to create this
(04:21):
initiative, so this isn't thefirst time the conservative
administration used a policyblueprint.
Actually, in 1980s, the sameHeritage Foundation provided
Ronald Reagan with the Mandatefor Leadership, and that was an
1100-page guide to reshaping thefederal government, very
similar to Project 2025.
(04:43):
And Reagan took it seriously.
His administration actuallyadopted two-thirds of the 2,000
recommendations of this mandatefor leadership.
So Project 2025 is the rampedup new version that builds on
the legacy, but with a lot moreurgent and maybe aggressive
approaches.
At the heart of this plan, ithas four things, which are
(05:06):
called the conservative promises, and that is restoring the
family as the foundation ofAmerican life, dismantling the
administrative or deep state,defending national sovereignty
by securing our borders.
And protecting individualrights and constitutional
freedoms.
Victor (05:23):
How does that sound to you?
I don't know what most of thatmeans.
Cesar (05:26):
Yeah me neither.
Rob (05:27):
Really, it's pretty straightforward.
Cesar (05:29):
It goes one way, and then the application of it is
completely opposite.
Victor (05:32):
What was the first one again, what was the first two?
Rob (05:34):
So, they plan to restore the family as the foundation of
American life.
Victor (05:41):
They're basically advocating for traditional
family.
Hold on, hold on.
Let me ask my fucking question,just let me ask your question,
bro.
It's not about you.
There's a lot to go through.
There's a lot to unpack there.
So what does re-centeringAmerican life around the family?
Has it not been around thefamily?
Like what did it shift towards?
Rob (06:07):
Dude, it shifted, I think maybe.
Victor (06:09):
It shifted yeah, it shifted To what?
The fact that I can't affordanything and barely can afford
to have a family, or the factthat my life revolves around
work?
Rob (06:19):
The problem with you is you're not having the right
family.
Okay, you need to be.
We need to restore the family Ineed less cats.
Victor (06:27):
What is that family?
Cesar (06:28):
Yes, Less cats, then I'm out.
Victor (06:31):
I just don't understand where that shift was.
Are people not wanting to havefamilies?
Rob (06:38):
I think they want to go with the traditional family
structure is what they're tryingto say?
Victor (06:42):
Oh yes.
Rob (06:42):
I can't afford that.
A mom, a dad and two and a halfchildren.
Victor (06:47):
How much is a kid?
A lot of money.
Rob (06:49):
A lot of money Do you get a lot back on your taxes, though.
Victor (06:52):
No.
Up till what age is the averageamount spent on a child?
Rob (06:58):
Oh it's got to be like $300,000, $400,000 up to 18
years old.
Victor (07:01):
Probably if more, if not more.
I don't make that kind of extracash and can afford a house and
a fucking car have you lookedinto egg alternatives like
oatmeal?
Cesar (07:12):
yeah, egg whites.
Do you still buy your avocadotoast?
Victor (07:15):
no, I have to give that up because after mexico's
tariffs, they're gonna goavocados, thank you.
Chris (07:22):
It says 330,000 on average for a child born to age
18.
Cesar (07:28):
I believe it, I believe it, all right.
So bring family first, okay.
The second one is get rid ofthe administration.
Rob (07:35):
Dismantle the administrative state.
Now, what does that mean?
Victor (07:38):
Well, you said deep state at first.
Rob (07:40):
Yes, I said, dismantle the administrative state, or what
they like to call the deep state.
Victor (07:44):
So I don't understand what you mean by that.
Rob (07:47):
So the deep state the way this is kind of written up is
basically the administrativeportions or people within
bureaucracy or who are holdingit up.
Federal workers could be partof the deep state Programs
administratives in programs thatare wasting money and holding
things up.
Victor (08:06):
What programs are wasting money Now?
Are we talking about theDepartment of Defense, or are we
talking about Social Security?
Rob (08:14):
I think it really depends on your definition of waste.
Victor (08:17):
I mean, I'm not denying that there's somewhat amount of
waste happening, but I am highlyskeptical that there's so much
waste that it's being it'sbankrupting the country.
Cesar (08:27):
I feel like.
I feel like sometimes when theysay that they kind of conflate
two different things waste andgetting rid of the people who
are are in the way.
A lot of the times inapplication, it's regulators who
are trying to do their job inpreventing something from
happening, so they're puttingboth of them together.
(08:47):
A lot of the times they're notseparating each issue.
So when you say deep state,sometimes I'm like so what
exactly are they talking about?
Are they talking aboutregulations or actually getting
rid of waste?
Rob (09:00):
I think the idea would be to reduce federal agencies and
cutting regulations so they canshift authority to elected
officials and state governmentsor private entities.
Chris (09:12):
But those agencies are in place because of something
happened in the history, rightFor a reason.
Victor (09:20):
Right, very rarely is government proactive, it's
mostly reactive.
Rob (09:25):
Right.
So how does Project 2025 planto achieve this?
Do you know much about thestructure of it?
Cesar (09:32):
I'm assuming Doge is part of it, right?
Is it Doge entirely?
Rob (09:37):
No, actually there's nothing that says anything about
Doge in here, really.
And their plan?
It is transparent.
It is on their website.
You can get a free copy of thePDF.
It's 900 pages long.
You could read through thewhole thing and it tells a
step-by-step guide on what theplan is.
(09:58):
It is as transparent as youcould possibly want to be.
Cesar (10:01):
Why did they originally have it kind of like secret and
why were a lot of people kind oflike turning away from it?
So it wasn't really secret.
Rob (10:09):
The problem was that near the end of like the presidential
run, when Trump was like reallystarting to big up the
Democrats, it started gettingout on TikTok obviously is where
we get all our information onand the Democrats jumped on it
and were like, oh my God, thisis a major talking point that we
could have brought up tobasically say this is this crazy
(10:32):
authoritarian type of plan thatthey had, and they only started
using it the last two to threemonths of the campaign and you
heard about it.
Then Trump got elected and itdoesn't really matter anymore.
So the idea is to ensure, fromday one, the future conservative
administration has a clear planto enact policies and to
reflect these principles.
(10:53):
But here's where things getinteresting.
So Donald Trump has publiclystated that he knows nothing
about Project 2025 and hasdistanced himself from it, which
is what Cesar was saying.
Victor (11:04):
As you know and as she knows better than anyone, I have
nothing to do with Project 2025.
Rob (11:09):
But instead he has his own government overhaul plan called
Agenda 47, which he says will behis defining vision for his
second term.
So, while there's a clearoverlap which we'll see between
Trump's Agenda 47, project 2025.
You guys, let me know, at theend of the day, what your
(11:29):
thought here is, but it's beenout there.
I mean, if you really thinkabout it, this plan, this idea
has been around since the 1980s.
Absolutely nothing new.
Victor (11:37):
I wouldn't say it's been around since the 1980s, but
every year a project comes outfrom this foundation.
So there was a Project 2024.
There was a Project 2023.
Like every year, this thinktank gets together and goes we
need to come up with a plan topush a conservative agenda.
Cesar (11:54):
Isn't one of the main architects of Project 2025 in
the Trump administration.
Rob (12:00):
Yes, multiple authors of Project 2025 are actually in
Trump's administration.
Cesar (12:07):
Who's the big dog?
I forgot his name.
Rob (12:09):
Russell Vought is the former director of Office of
Management and Budget From theboys.
Yeah, so Vought is actuallypart of this.
Victor (12:16):
Vought are the ones that fucking created the country.
Rob (12:19):
They say that he co-authored this and I think he
wrote like one chapter, but alot of people kind of put their
input in it.
Up until this point, we've beentalking about how the idea of
this is to restructure policyand reform bureaucrats and all
this stuff.
But there's a lot of policiesin here that are kind of radical
, that go beyond tax cuts andregulation.
So one of them is actually inProject 2025 is banning
(12:42):
pornography entirely.
So this group basically saysthat the federal government
should regulate and restrictaccess to adult content, rolling
back same-sex marriageprotections, completely get rid
of that, restrictingcontraception access, completely
getting rid of that.
And federal crackdowns on wokecorporations, pushing for
(13:03):
regulations to punish companiesfor engaging in diversity or
LGBTQ initiatives.
So it's a little bit more thanthat.
There are some very, veryradical ideas in this thing.
Maybe that's why a lot of theconservatives kind of backed
away from it because you knowwhat I mean.
Victor (13:20):
I think one of them was something about registering.
If you've gotten an abortion,it needs to be registered.
And then conservatives pushback and be like it doesn't say
register, it just says your nameneeds to be on the list.
And then you're just looking atthem like that's registering.
Rob (13:37):
Totally different.
We didn't use NAR.
Cesar (13:38):
Yeah, oh no.
Victor (13:40):
It's a list.
It's a nice list.
It's like a Post-it.
You're really just putting iton a post-it so we can refer to
it later on.
Rob (13:46):
And document it.
I'm like a smart person.
We now know what Project 2525is, but how are they going to do
this?
The way they break out theirplan is they break it into four
pillars.
Ooh.
Victor (13:58):
I like pillars.
Chris, do you like pillars?
You're an engineer?
Sure, I guess, chris is likeChris is a cuss word.
Cesar (14:04):
Just Chris.
If the pillars aren't made ofmoney, he doesn't care.
Rob (14:08):
Chris, there's a red telephone sign on the bottom of
your thing, just click that.
I'm so bored.
So one is reforming policy, twois the presidential personnel
database, three is training andfour is their 180-day playbook.
So pillar one, the policyagenda.
This is the idea where one ofthe loudest talking points you
(14:32):
guys probably heard is like DEIand woke indoctrination right.
So there's a lot of policy.
That's another thing.
Victor (14:39):
I don't understand.
I don't understand that either.
I don't know what woke means,and I'm liberal, I just I don't
understand what woke means.
Do you guys know what wokemeans?
Cesar (14:48):
Yeah, I don't quite understand.
Victor (14:51):
It's past tense of wake I definitely don't know well
then, I I'll shut my mouth moneydon't why don't you wake up,
bro?
No, but like, does woke meanstop making fun of gay people?
Because if that's the case,then okay, isn't that good?
Like don't we not want toberate people for their
(15:12):
sexuality?
Cesar (15:12):
Not unless it's their belief.
I feel like a lot of the timeit's like okay, this is what I
believe, this is what I grew upwith.
If it deviates slightly fromwhat I believe and I think, then
I consider it woke.
Victor (15:23):
This is what I know.
I remember when we were inschool, when we were kids, if we
thought you were gay, if we hadthe inkling, if there was a
rumor, we would berate you andfucking make fun of you.
And if that doesn't existanymore, I think the world is
better off, because that was ahorrible time.
That's woke talk, right thereIs that woke talk.
(15:45):
Well, in that case, the worldshould be woke.
If that's the fucking case,yeah, I mean, people shouldn't
be made fun of for who they are.
I'll be honest with you, Idon't understand the gender
thing, but if I meet someone andthey go, hey, I'm a, they, them
, I'll be like, okay, cool, if Isomehow use pronouns when
talking to you, I will refer toyou as they, them, the same
(16:11):
thing that if I meet you and Isay, hey, my name is victor and
you decide to call me brett,we're gonna have a problem
because I told you my fuckingname.
Chris (16:15):
I'm gonna take him as disrespect.
Cesar (16:16):
Watch your mouth you know , I feel like there's always,
there's an undertone of likereligion which triggers people.
That whole, they them thepronouns, all that stuff.
But then there's another partof me that's just like people
think it's stupid and becausethey think it's stupid and
because they think it's stupid,they don't want to change and
they don't want to accept it.
I could be wrong, because Idon't really understand this
whole woke thing.
Rob (16:36):
I don't think many people do.
Don't things get muddied up andweird Like, don't we need
structure?
Victor (16:43):
Muddied up how?
Because?
Rob (16:45):
you're a helicopter.
Victor (16:51):
If I want to be called a helicopter.
Rob (16:51):
Call me a fucking helicopter, but you're not a
helicopter, Not with thatfucking attitude.
Yep, and you'll never be.
You're not and you never willbe all right.
Victor (16:56):
Here's the thing.
We're from New York.
Why don't people mind theirfucking business?
Okay, If I come up to you and Isay, hey, I'm this, okay, cool.
Cesar (17:12):
I'm going to go back to minding my own fucking business,
I don't know.
Another large, large issue iswhen it stems into children.
They say children beingconfused or confusing children
into who exactly they are, andas parents you're kind of trying
to stop that it's not prettymuch something it's like to
learn, it's like a lessonlearned kind of thing.
Chris (17:28):
You do it, you fail, you hurt yourself and then you're
like, hmm, that was probably abad idea, so I won't do that
again, kind of thing.
So as a child, you go throughwhatever phase you have to go
through and you realize, hmm,that was okay, okay, I guess
that was not cool and like youkind of like figuring out by
yourself I mean, I, I could, Isee what you're saying, but like
, what if it goes too far?
Rob (17:50):
And what if you're doing it to protect your child, because
you know you're making a wrongdecision here and you might
regret it later?
Victor (17:57):
You can't make someone's mind up for them, even if it's
your child.
Rob (18:01):
But if your child doesn't even have their brain fully
formed yet and they have no ideawhat the hell they're talking
about.
Victor (18:07):
But what are you trying to get them to do or not do?
Rob (18:10):
I'm just throwing the idea out there.
It can go to many extremes.
When I grew up, I wanted to bea basketball player.
I was like I'm going to go intothe NBA.
You know what my dad said to me?
He had a talk with me one day.
He said listen, you're barelyfive foot.
He laid it all out for me.
At the end of the day, you knowwhat I realized?
There's no way in hell I'mgoing to be a basketball player.
(18:32):
So I should probably go toschool and probably get an
education, because it's just notgoing to be me.
Victor (18:38):
No matter how hard I try , I think that's kind of fucked
up.
To be honest, I turned out fine, I'm just fine right.
Rob (18:47):
I mean I never thought about that very often for the
entire rest of my life.
Cesar (18:53):
Doesn't even crumple paper anymore to throw it in the
garbage.
Rob (18:56):
Yeah, you know what If it's on the other side?
I'll get up and throw it in thetrash can.
Cesar (19:02):
And I said okay, pop.
Rob (19:04):
But he didn't really say that.
He said stop being a fuckingdinosaur and get a job.
So pillar one is the policyagenda, the idea of reshaping
the government.
So one of the policies iseliminating diversity, equity
and inclusion programs in thegovernment.
So some of the potentialbenefits that people might say
is that it ensures a hiringprocess based on qualifications
and experiences, where othersmight say, hey, this removes a
(19:27):
lot of safeguards fordiscrimination and actually can
make it harder for people frommarginalized communities to
advance in the government.
Cesar (19:34):
Can I make a note here, though, because when they say
that, when you are hiring, thatis your main focus, what these
programs or these initiativestried to do was get people with
the same credentials who may nothave had the same chance as
someone else.
A lot of these companies theyhire from within, they hire from
the same stock, the same group,so if you're not in that little
(19:58):
club, you're not going to beable to be looked at.
It's not hiring someone of lessexperience, it's actually
hiring someone with the sameamount of experience, just with
a different viewpoint.
Rob (20:10):
I think where one of these issues comes from is that that
is the idea, but that is not theway it actually goes down in
the hiring process.
So you are looking forqualified candidates and you do
want to afford everyone thisposition, but it doesn't
actually pan out that way.
Cesar (20:30):
It ends up going other ways, sometimes in order to
check a box because there's awas a policy or there's a
diversity that factors in so outof 10 hires, one has to be a
specific type of race, and thennine can be whatever and and and
this is, but there's no allthroughout like no, there's no
box to check all the program isseen all throughout.
Victor (20:50):
There's no box to check.
All the program is saying, allthe DEIA is saying we need to
advertise this to communitiesthat you wouldn't normally
advertise this job to.
But the qualifications are thesame.
Now, if you're saying, ifyou're taking it internally as
hey, I need to hire someone of aspecific race, then that's on
(21:11):
you.
That's not what the program'sdoing.
Rob (21:13):
You're doing that.
Yes, that is what that personis doing, and I think that's
what ends up happening in somecases, which is where this
stigma comes from.
Victor (21:24):
The issue is not with the program.
The issue is with you.
I don't know if that's the case.
You're saying, hey, listen, youguys gave me the tools to hire
these other people.
I don't know if that's the case.
I think, the problem is in theimplementation.
(21:49):
From what I've heard on theother side is that, yes, this is
a nice idea, but the way it'sbeing implemented is probably
not correct.
Is there any number or anyevidence of it not being
implemented correctly?
Rob (21:56):
Yes, I mean, I don't have it, but there is, and people
have said that in their hiringprocesses they feel that.
Victor (22:03):
Where can I find such information?
Rob (22:05):
I don't think you're going to find information like that.
Victor (22:08):
I think you're confusing DEI with affirmative action.
Okay, I don't know you're goingto find information like that.
I think you're confusing DEIwith affirmative action.
Rob (22:12):
Okay, I don't know what affirmative action is.
Victor (22:14):
Affirmative action is what you're talking about.
This over this person.
Rob (22:17):
And DEI is a pilot right.
Cesar (22:21):
Yeah, a bad one.
Victor (22:23):
The worst guy.
So affirmative actionspecifically targets
underrepresented groups inhiring and education.
Okay, so affirmative action isHarvard going?
We need ex-Asians in ourfucking classroom?
Dei is just saying hey, listen,we need to promote whatever job
(22:44):
posting out there for everybody.
Rob (22:47):
And then, when we go to hire them, we'll do whatever we
want Exactly.
Cesar (22:51):
Exactly.
Rob (22:52):
Exactly, yeah, cool Pillar one, well, pillar one.
Some of the policies arelimiting diversity, equity and
inclusion programs, expandingthe executive power and
weakening federal oversightfederal oversight and we've seen
some of these cases where someof the benefits of this is
basically the idea is creating amore efficient government by
(23:13):
ensuring agencies quicklyimplement presidential policies
Some of the things that wetalked about in our executive
orders episodes but on the backend, they're saying that this
growing power in the executivebranch, this threatens the
independence of key agencies.
And then you start cuttingserious programs or places like
(23:38):
NOAA or the EPA and they canhave serious long-term
consequences.
Fuck the weather, dude.
I mean NOAA's a pretty big deal.
After we did that episode, Ithink that's a pretty big deal.
Yeah, don't take away my hackyweather.
Victor (23:47):
What storm.
Rob (23:48):
Pillar 2.
The Presidential PersonnelDatabase, and I actually think
this is pretty awesome.
So the second pillar is allabout staffing the government
who gets hired, who gets firedand how to make sure a
conservative administration hasthe right people.
From day one, it's literallywhat they have in there.
So to streamline this process,the Heritage Foundation
(24:10):
contracted with Oracle to createa hiring program platform where
conservative professionals canupload their resumes and
complete a survey with questionslike where did you hear about
Project 2025?
Name one public policy figurewhom you greatly admire and why.
And the US has the right toselect immigrants based on
(24:33):
country of origin.
Agree or disagree.
Basically, it's a conservativeLinkedIn.
You upload your resume, you getpart of this personnel, you are
vetted by questions to see whatyour ideology is and then, if
you are placed in here, theadministration that comes in can
say these are the people you'regoing to hire.
So you guys have probably heardof Schedule F.
Victor (24:56):
Yes.
Rob (24:58):
One of the executive orders that Trump had put in his first
2016 was basically this idea ofbeing able to fire civil
servants.
So there was a bunch of careercivil servants who are probably
doing a lot of administrativejobs and they are quote, unquote
the deep state.
So the idea is that if you canget rid of them and replace them
(25:18):
with political appointees thatyou can get from your
conservative LinkedIn, then alot of the things that you want
to get done are going to getdone faster.
Now, the one thing I thoughtabout with removing people is do
you just do this every fouryears, like you just lay off a
bunch of like federal, like howis that efficient?
Cesar (25:38):
a lot of the times, the whoever heads an agency might
get replaced by, like whateverdemocratic or republic.
Victor (25:45):
Well, they can't fire.
Uh, I don't think there's.
There's certain agency headsthat they cannot fire, so they'd
have to resign independent onesagency heads that they cannot
fire, so they'd have to resign.
Rob (25:56):
Independent ones he was trying to fire I think Trump was
trying to fire the head of theFederal Reserve was one of them.
Yeah, that's an independentagency, so you can't really fire
them.
Cesar (26:04):
But it wouldn't be efficient for you to come in
every four years.
Rob (26:08):
And just replace everybody.
Cesar (26:09):
Everybody, which never happens, because there's a lot
of Trump appointees, bidenappointees, even, like you
mentioned, career governmentpeople that just stay within
every administration and thinkabout it like you want that In
terms of efficiency.
Why would you want to putsomeone in who has no idea what
they're doing, potentially intoa position and just restart all
(26:29):
over every four years?
Rob (26:31):
But like I agree with that.
But like if Victor waspresident, and then I step in
and you're his boys, you'regoing to give me a hard time.
Cesar (26:38):
I think what a lot of the times happens is the head of
the agency.
You see it.
You're seeing it now withDepartment of Education.
What's her name?
Linda McMahon.
She was-.
Rob (26:49):
The WWE.
Cesar (26:50):
Yeah yeah, all this to say she WWE.
Yeah yeah, all this to say she,most likely all the other
people below her, the ones thatdon't quit.
It's all on her.
She's going to run the policyand she's going to tell
everybody else to do what theyhave to do.
So it might not be everybodywithin the department.
It just might be the most key,influential people.
Victor (27:05):
And again the other thing about it departments are
run by the people that move thepaperwork.
Rob (27:10):
Yes.
Victor (27:11):
If my job is to stamp A and make sure the form is filled
out, it doesn't matter who's myboss.
My job is the same.
If my job is to make sure youget payments, that's my job.
It doesn't matter who thefuck's in charge.
My job is still make sure thesepeople get their payments?
Rob (27:29):
Yeah, good point.
So now we're on to pillar threeof Project 2025 is all about
training.
So you just hired a bunch ofpeople, but now you got to get
them ready and trained to knowhow the government works.
How do you think they're goingto do that?
Powerpoint, yes, and they callit the Presidential
Administration Academy.
Do you have what it takes tochange the government?
(27:53):
Have you ever watched the newsand thought, wow, I could do
better than these bureaucrats?
Well, now you can.
Introducing the PresidentialAdministration Academy that's
right.
The Heritage Foundation isoffering an exclusive,
high-powered training programdesigned for conservative
warriors who want to take backthe federal government.
Think of it as basic trainingfor political dominance.
(28:17):
It just works.
What you'll learn?
How to dismantle progressivebureaucracy.
Say goodbye to outdated liberalpolicies and hello to
conservative efficiency.
Mastering the art of executiveorders Learn how to reshape
entire agencies with a singlesignature, appointment and
firing procedures.
Who stays, who goes, you decideConservative legal frameworks.
(28:40):
Train with top legal minds toapply an originalistic
interpretation of theConstitution.
Some of our graduation perksEarn your Certificate of
Conservative Leadership and gainVIP access to Project 2025
Personnel Database.
That's right.
Graduates, you'll be first inline for federal positions in
(29:00):
future Republican administration.
So where does it happen?
Online, from anywhere.
Victor (29:06):
Everything's a computer.
Rob (29:08):
Exclusive in-person seminars in Washington DC,
Personalized mentorship fromconservative political leaders.
But wait, there's more.
Sign up now and receive earlyaccess to our Federal Power
Playbook, your step-by-stepguide to taking control of
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Act fast.
Spots are limited.
(29:29):
Don't sit on the sidelines.
Become the government you wantto see.
Join the PresidentialAdministration Academy today.
Call now or visitwwwproject2025.com to apply.
What do you think about that?
Cesar (29:47):
Nice Sounds like a Coursera for conservatives.
Victor (29:51):
Is there a s'mores session?
Rob (29:53):
No, but there is rumored to have a chocolate fountain.
Oh, okay, I'm in Sold, I'm inand finally pillar four, which
is the 180-day playbook, A rapidtakeover strategy.
It's a detailed, agency byagency plan of how to dismantle
(30:14):
existing policies and installconservative reforms as quickly
as possible.
So the goal here is to preventbureaucratic resistance by
making changes so fast that theopponents can't even organize an
effective response in time.
It ensures immediate action oncampaign promises.
Right Guy goes in, says this iswhat I want to do.
They get it done fast.
(30:34):
They usually use executiveorders to maybe make these
changes.
It prevents deep stateinterference those pesky
regulations and administratorsthey can't get involved with
this and it can reduceunnecessary government spending
and regulations.
So many of these policies arelooking to cut government
programs that the conservativesview as wasteful.
(30:55):
I guess the real question hereis does the president have this
ability to make such drasticchanges so quickly?
Victor (31:04):
Specifically with the Trump administration.
They are going to try to expandthe presidential powers to, in
my opinion, to new heights.
Rob (31:14):
It's important to note that Project 2025 is not Trump's
agenda.
Victor (31:20):
Nothing to do with Project 2025.
Rob (31:23):
Agenda 47 is totally different from Project 2025.
But, as we're seeing, theremight be some big similarities.
Some of it is very good, someof it's very mainstream actually
, and some of the people in hisoffice actually co-authored
Project 2025.
And some of the notable figurescould include Chris Miller, who
is the former acting Secretaryof Defense.
(31:44):
Brendan Carr, who was nominatedby Trump to lead the FCC.
Tom Haman, also appointed asthe border czar for the Trump
administration I'm sure you'veseen him on the news.
Russell Vought, which is theformer director of Office of
Management and Budget, whoactually co-authored a few or, I
(32:05):
think, one chapter in Project2025.
And Peter Navarro, who isappointed as senior counselor
for trade and manufacturing inTrump's administration,
appointed as senior counselorfor trade and manufacturing in
Trump's administration.
So, even though it's twodifferent things, there might be
some integration from Project2025's contributors into these
key positions.
Victor (32:23):
At this point, you're playing semantics.
You're like I'm not followingProject 2025, but I hired a lot
of people from it.
Chris (32:31):
So technically it's different.
Victor (32:33):
Come on, but is it really?
You're just like it's?
Cesar (32:36):
different Tomato tomato.
Yeah, is that the same?
I think it's tomato tomato.
Chris (32:42):
Same same, but different, but still same.
Cesar (32:46):
So what are the differences then?
Has he said, what has hearticulated that's different?
Or what have you found?
Rob (32:51):
I think more than half of the stuff in Project 2025 is
actually can be found in Agenda47.
But I think some of the maindifferences are the radical,
very outlandish things likebanning pornography and there's
some other things in there, buteven Trump said that there were.
The Trump administration saidthat there was very radical
(33:15):
ideas that they were not goingto implement.
I don't actually have a list ofwhat's not in there.
It's a 900 page book.
Cesar (33:22):
Agenda 47 is Project 2025 Light.
Rob (33:26):
Let's calories.
The idea here, from what I wasreading, is that when the Trump
administration first got intooffice, dc is a very closed knit
place and they don't reallytake to outsiders.
So to get a lot of stuff done,you got to know people, you got
to have the right people, yougot to have your people in place
, and that's difficult to do,especially when you're not
(33:46):
coming from that industry orthat.
Who are we talking?
Victor (33:49):
about the Trump administration as not coming
from that field.
He was president for four years.
The first time the Trumpadministration as not coming
from that field.
Cesar (33:54):
He was president for four years, the first time.
Victor (33:56):
The first time.
Right, this is the second timewe're talking about.
Rob (33:58):
Right.
So I think the first time whenhe came in he ran into some
issues.
People were giving him a hardtime.
So this time he comes in andhe's ready.
He's ready, he's got a wholeplaybook, he's got a list of
ideas, he's got a structuredprogram and there are a lot of
conservative backing behind itthat are going to be here to
(34:21):
support him this time so hedoesn't make the same mistakes
or try to get what he wants donequickly.
Chris (34:27):
I mean he couldn't copy entirely.
He's got to change himselfright.
Victor (34:31):
I mean Trump probably loves his porn.
I mean if he likes Russianhookers pissing on him.
Rob (34:38):
Do we know that for sure?
Victor (34:39):
Allegedly, if he allegedly loves golden showers.
Cesar (34:42):
I missed that episode of the Apprentice Showers.
Rob (34:45):
Showers.
So what are your guys' keytakeaways?
Chris (34:49):
Chris, it's like I get it .
I like what they're trying todo, right, but is it possible,
though?
Is it something that we couldchange right away, or something
that we can implement like nowand then it'll be good next year
, like you know, I mean?
Or is it something that is likea long-term plan, where it's
(35:10):
not just 180 days or 100 days,it's like it takes centuries?
I mean, the government we havenow is the product of the past,
like you know, all the yearsfrom George Washington, right?
So I don't know.
I mean, to me it seems likejust the idea, and then it's
(35:30):
just something to just like talkabout, to go over and whatever,
but are they actually gonnawork?
Cesar (35:37):
I don't know, caesar, listen from the outside looking
at this is a ingenious way toliterally shape not only the
government but shape thiscountry as you see fit.
Where I differ is that theremight be conservative policies
that I don't agree with,conservative policies that may
not actually benefit anyone butthem.
Victor (35:58):
Victor, George Bush does not care about black people.
Drop the mic.
Oh God no.
I think in general, this wholeproject, even if it is wrapped
in a Trump steak package, soldthat sharper image to us.
I think that it's going tocause serious and an unknown
(36:24):
amount of damage to the countrythat we've built, to the point
where we probably, if we everrecover from it, will probably
take more than our lifetimes torecover from.
That being said, what we haveisn't perfect.
What we have needs a lot ofimprovement.
To start dismantling it, Ithink, is the wrong direction to
(36:44):
how to fix something.
Rob (36:46):
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Cesar (37:06):
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