September 1, 2025 • 47 mins
In this episode of The Impossible Life Podcast, Garrett Unclebach and Nick Surface challenge one of the most common cultural myths: work-life “balance.” Instead of trying to carefully divide your time, energy, and priorities into equal portions, Garrett and Nick show why true greatness comes from embracing both—not balance. From faith to family, fitness to career, men often feel pressure to sacrifice one area to succeed in another. But as Garrett says, “I don’t like the idea that my family only wins when my business loses. I’m not playing that game.” Drawing from biblical truth, personal discipline, and hard-won life experience, they reveal:
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- Why “balance” often leads to mediocrity and compromise.
- How God Himself models the both mindset as both love and law.
- The difference between what’s finite (time, money, energy) and what’s abundant.
- Practical wisdom for pursuing success in multiple areas without settling.
- How asking the right questions—“What will it take to achieve both?”—transforms your mindset.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's God more love or is God more law?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's both And this is I think one of this
is one of my favorite understandings of who we are
as it relates to God, is that God is sovereign
and man is responsible. I means God's in control of everything.
And a lot of people would say like, oh, that's predestination,
like God, God preordained it all, God set it all
in motion beforehand.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, I would say yes, And.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I would also say that God bless you choose and
how could that be sail?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, it's both. That's impossible. Let me tell you what
I believe. It's your weakness, it's not your technique.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Don't think you know you the Impossible Life Podcast, I
mean yes.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Sitting on a winning lot.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Of second an idea that is fully formed, fully understood.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That sticks.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is the Impossible Life Podcast because Nick and I
are attempting to live impossible lives. What we know is
that not is impossible. So instead of using impossible as
an excuse to not try, we'll use the pursuit of
impossible as an accelerant for greatness. If something's never been
done before, that just means it's unexplored. If they tell you.
(01:15):
It's too hard. It's just waiting to be simplified. Impossible
as a default label used by uncourageous people unwilling to
take a risk.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
The real truth is this The.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Solution to any impossible task starts with this question, if
I had to, what would it take? What would it take?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Welcome to another episode of the Impossible Life Podcast. I'm
your co host, Nick Surface, and I'm looking across as
a man who recently received a report from ancestry dot
com that revealed he is one half German, one half Scottish,
and one half Viking. That's right, friends, the phone kart uncleback,
a man whose genetic makeup can't be limited by math.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's silly. Yeah, it's a maybe some truth to it.
It's one hundred and fifty percent awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Ooh is that what that adds up to? I thought
the Viking was a good shout. I thought you'd appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I can appreciate the Viking if you're European. There's probably
a little bit of Viking and all of us.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That says a lot about the Vikings and not a
lot about us. Anyways, all right, gee, today's episode is back.
In episode twenty, we looked at balance, and we gave
people five things better than balance, and today we want
to give them an entirely new process. And I'm going
to say that this is both not balance, which is
what makes sense as we get into it, right, because
we all have ideas of balance when we think about balance.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Gee.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Of course, if you're in America, which I know that
like ninety two percent of our listeners are, that's not
an estimate.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I do. Look at the stats.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You'll know something about balance budget because the last time
we had a balanced budget was under Bill Clinton, if
you remember him, and it was from nineteen ninety eight
to two thousand and one. And in two thousand and
one we had the majestic accomplishment of a one hundred
and twenty eight billion dollar surplus. Fast forward a mere
twenty four years, and last year, in twenty twenty four,
we added one point eight three to three trillion dollars
(03:11):
to our national deficit, which let leaves us with as
of August twenty twenty five, a total debt of thirty
seven trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Ooops, yeah, whoops.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And yet we have a bunch of people who are
mad at Elon Musk for trying to recover some of this.
But you know, hey, darn that guy for reference, because
I think we hear trillion. You go, wait, hang on
thirty seven trillion. I want to make sure people grasp
how big a trillion is. If you had a trillion seconds. Okay,
we all know there's sixty seconds in a minute. A
trillion seconds is thirty one thousand, seven hundred and nine years,
(03:44):
not weeks, not days, not months.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Years.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Thirty one thousand, seven hundred nine years is in a
trillion is a trillion seconds, and we have thirty seven
of those as our national debt. So Halijah another place
where people. I think a lot of people maybe don't
spend a lot time thinking about the national debt g
but every person, whether they're in an America or not,
because I know we got people in the UK and
Australia and Germany and Canada, and shout out to all
those people. We appreciate you guys. But we all encounter
(04:09):
counter energy balance every day right based on what we
most Americans unfortunately are in what we call an energy surplus.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
They do.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They do not have the deficit problem that our country's
budget does. And that's why the average male is twenty
eight percent body fat. But you and I are are. Yeah,
you and I are running the American way. We are
both in deficit right now as we compete in the
for the title of Lena's person on the podcast with
our man who's not on the podcast, Big Norm.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But also he's like a he's not a guest, but
he's with us always. He's a frequent, frequent shout out.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, because Norm's awesome. Norm is a guy that we love.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He's an ambassador. Yeah, there are many podcast ambassadors there,
and yeah, Norm has been with us from day. Norm
dressed up as macho man Randy Savage when we ran
one hundred mile and I was so delirious. I thought
he was serving in kids church. I didn't know he
did it for us.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Like that that gives you a state.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But basically how this happened, Norm sent us as Dexas
Scan results. I then encountered with my results. Garrett then
put his in, and then it became you know, like
any red blooded males were like, well, I think I.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Could beat you, and we were because we were all
thirteen point something.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, we were all within Like I thought you were
just over fourteen, weren't you in body fat.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We were close. We were all within point four of
the next person, and so it was tight. I mean,
we're all thirteen to fourteen percent body fat. And that's
not like a brag because now we're going hard. So
we're all in deficit right now. And I'm telling you
that a large pizza sounds pretty wonderful to me all
the time. And that's just gonna have to wait for
another six weeks because Garrett was a fat kid. Dude,
(05:34):
we've all got that inter fact. Man, Sometimes you just
need to be fed. So we'll see who wins you.
Because it's gonna go till it. Right now, it's late August,
and we're gonna go ahead and we have to do
our next decks on October, in early October, and that's
when we find out. And you've talked an uncharacteristic amount
of trash. I just want to say that because you
and I have competed a lot of things and you
never talk trash ever. You just get about your business.
(05:56):
On this one you have.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's been fun messing with you and Norm. Okay, you
haven't talked much trash. Well that's because dude.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I'm using you against you, like that's I'm using a
different methodology and we'll see it's the numbers won't lie anyways.
All right, So gee, let's let's get into this. Because
you hear people talk about this a lot, like all
my life's out of balance, work life balance. People say
this a lot, and balance is like this thought process
that everything needs to like equal, right, like if I,
(06:24):
you know, oh man, I'm way out of balance because
I'm working too much, or I'm way out of balance
because I I you know, I'm doing so much of
one thing. And so we have this idea almost like
we have like a set number of chips that we
can place on certain piles and then.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Once we play them all out.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I certainly don't like the way that balance has talked about,
right a lot of peoples. And this is why I
was saying to Nick. You know, when I the way
I experience people talk about balance or what balance typically means,
it doesn't feel good to me, right, And that's not
like the voice of an unbalanced person. I want to
(06:57):
be I want to be my best, But the way
I talk, like when I hear some people talk about balance,
I don't feel like the way that they're saying it
is like out of growth and out of like a
greatness mindset. It's more so like a settling in. It's like, well,
I just have to be okay with less of something.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, Yeah, because it is like a zero sum thought process, right,
because if I have more of one thing, it means
I have to have less of another.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, you know, I'm just trying to balance work and
family and getting to spend time with my friends and
all of those. The way if you talk about balance
in that way, well, you have to have less of
one to have more of the other.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And I don't like that, right, don't. I don't like
that idea. I don't like the idea that I'm in
this game of my family only wins when my business loses,
and my business only wins my family loses. Yeah, that's
a I'm not playing that game, right. I've often had
that thing when people would offer me, like, hey, you
could either take this or take that, be like, well,
I'll just have both.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I've done.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Honestly, there's so many examples I can think of, specifically
in career when it's come to those types of things,
like I'll figure both out, and it's it's worked out
all right. But because that's the both process right, both
means you don't have to turn one down so the
other can go up. It means that you may just
need to turn one up and leave the other one
up as well. And that's a very different thought process.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
And where this first came from for me, and because
we'll come back to this later, but I want to
give some of the inception of where this came from.
Is there's this when you study Scripture and you study
who God is, there's this beautiful understanding of who God is.
And we experience this in Christianity, where we are very imperfect.
(08:33):
God is perfect and we're trying to be like him.
And when you really are like Christ, when people experience that,
it's something that I mean truly, when you get the
revelation of who God is and you experience him, there's
nothing like it. And where I think churches miss it,
where we miss it as Christians is trying to balance
(08:54):
instead of being both. And this is one of the
beautiful divine characteristics of God, is the way that he's both.
And I think this is one of the most descriptive
ones of who he is in the Bible, is that
He's both love and law, right law and the Old
Testament love in Christ and God isn't less of one
to be more of the other. He's both Jesus. Jesus said,
(09:16):
I did not come to abolish the law, but to
fulfill it. And where you experience poor Christianity is where
you have something that is very much more love or
more law than the other. And God doesn't have to
be less law to be more love. Right, God doesn't
have to be less love to be more law. He somehow,
(09:36):
even though these things seem to contrast, they seem to
be contrary, God is both at the same time. And
so this is an example of where God does. God
isn't trying to be less, He's trying to be but
he doesn't have to try.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
He is both.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And I think this is an example of really what
true maturity looks like. As men and as christ followers.
Most people are naturally better at one than the other.
Oh yeah, you're like you have There's Christians who are
very like law based, like law is easy for them, the.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Love is hard for them.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And there's other people that are more love based and
like the law is hard for them, right, Like they
just want constant leniency in the law. And where we
become most christ Like is not where we're you know,
if I'm naturally a law person, that I just become
less law. Where I become more christ Like is where
I become more love and the maturity and the greatness
(10:28):
comes from learning how to be both, not just less
of one to make room for the other.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And you just highlighted something of God's nature, And I
really want to encourage people. The greatest question you'll ever
have to answer is what is God like? And Garrett
just gave you some thoughts about how you have this
God who's infinite. He's not growing in love, he's not
even like it's not a character quality. He is love,
he is just. He is all powerful, he is infinite,
and we can't comprehend that. I think probably the best
(10:56):
thing I could ever recommend if you want to start
diving into that, read aw Towzer's No All the Holy
Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
That book. Man is just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, I look at so many theological debates right, things
like predestination, and so many theological debates where they're silly
arguments because it's like saying, like is God more love
or is God more law. He's both right, and this
is I think one of this is one of my
favorite understandings of who we are as it relates to God,
(11:25):
is that God is sovereign and man is responsible. Means
God's in control of everything. And a lot of people
would say like, oh, that's predestination, like God and God
preordained it all, God set it all in motion beforehand. Well,
I would say yes, and I would also say that
God bless you choose, and how could that be?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, it's both and the same way that it's very
hard for us to understand how God could be both
love and law. He's both.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, because when you're if you're so powerful and you
live outside time, you could look and play out every snare.
I like, whatever you choose, I win. And we can't
understand that it's truly is beyond oura. You can try
to make exact samples or analogies for it, it's beyond
our comprehension. Yeah, all is all that you can comprehend
is that it's beyond you. And somehow he's both.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
The great thing is, geez, now that you said that
you're probably gonna win this bet because I'm just going
to say both to everything, like do I want cookies
or do I want to eat something healthy?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Both? Boom, there you go, it works. Oh wait, it
doesn't because here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You have to have wisdom. And this is what we're
going to get into. We're going to give you six
examples of where you need both. We're going to talk
about some the actual thought process compared to balance. But
here's here's where you need to have some discernment. You
have to have an understanding of what's finite and what's
not right. Because the things that we're talking about are both.
We're not saying like, yeah, where a lot of people
talk about balance is as it relates to time. Yeah okay,
(12:42):
yeah right, and when people like I said, I don't
like the idea of, you know, to win at business,
my family has to lose or vice versa.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And what what you do have to do is choose right.
And I think this is interesting how this is this
is nerd talk, so like if you're not a nerd,
to just hang out for a second.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
One of the scientific similarities there's not many, but one
of the scientific similarities to both is I've talked about
this before is in quantum technology, right like, there's nothing
like in nature. We experience things as binary on or off,
positively charged or negatively charged, right like it's a zero
(13:24):
or it's a one. That's most of the world that
we experience. But there is actually a scientific example of both,
and that's at the quantum level. If you study quantum particles,
they have this equality that we don't really understand except
we know that it is this way that quantum particles
can be in two places at one time. And I'll
oversimplify this. There's this experience. There's this experiment that they
(13:50):
did and it turned into what they call the observer's law.
And there's people way smarter than me who listen to
this podcast or you're like, you're totally fudging this up.
But I'll just overset simplify it. And they did this
thing where they would try to observe a quantum particle,
like they could test it and see that the quantum
particle is actually in two places at the same time.
But when you look at it, it goes to one, huh. Right,
(14:13):
if you don't look at it, it's in two places
at the same time, but as soon as you look
at it in a moment, it's in one place or
the other. Right, you can't see it in two places
at one time. And so just Wikipedia learn about this,
Schrodinger's cat, Observer's law, learn about how a quantum particle
can be in two places at one time. I'm sure
there's great YouTube videos on it. But anyways, I make
(14:35):
this point to say, this is actually a science thing,
that is something we can see that it's this weird.
We don't understand how that's possible, but we know that
it is okay. But when you look at it, it
goes to one place to the other. And I think
God shows up in this way as well, that like
God is both love and law, but in a moment
he appeared, he can appear as just love or just
(14:58):
appear as just law. Because there's just like as a parent,
right your children need both of these qualities from you,
but in a moment, you become one or the other.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Right, man, I didn't see you going down that path
at all.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And by the way, if you're that listener out there
that actually knew what the Observer's laws, troup is a
comment on Spotify or shoot us a DM because I
would love to know you exist, because I'm not sure
when you're like, oh, I'm sure there's somebody out there
that knows this way better.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I would love to hear from you. Actually, people way
smarter than me.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah I know that, but I'm just saying I just
I would be surprised to hear.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
From them about the observer's law. It's all same man anyways.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So okay, So here's the things that are finite, because,
like we said, you need to have an understand of
what's finite and what's not before you start saying both
to everything. So like your time you touched on it,
time is finite. You want to run an ultra marathon
and well on vacation with your family, probably not going
to work out too well.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Where people look at they look at time, And this
is where I were saying, like, I know, I knew
this is wrong. People are talking about balance and it
just means losing at one point, which I don't believe that, right.
I do not accept that you have to lose it
at one thing just to win at the other. But
what you do have to do with time is prioritize. Yeah, right, Like,
and the life does work this way. God gave us
(16:07):
a set amount of time, and he said, what will
you do with it? That is a test. That's an
allocation test. It's a prioritization test. It's not a both
with my life. Some of God's tests for us are
a prioritization test. Will you put me first? That's a
prioritization test.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And when you get however much money you make in
a month, you have to prioritize it, right. You can't
have put all your money in savings and all your
money in your checking and all your money on going
to Disneyland and all your money in your business. It
doesn't work that way. You have to prioritize. And so
we're going to talk about a couple different areas where
some are finite, right, And that's where again people will
(16:49):
talk about balance, But that's more so about prioritization. Get
the right things first, do them in the right order.
That's not the balance issue, right. I'm not trying to
balance my life and the things that I want to
do and my family. I prioritize those things, right, right.
So I'm saying I'm setting this up to talk about
where people misunderstand or there's misconception on balance. Some things
(17:12):
are prioritization other things are both.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And in episode twenty when we talked about balance, originally
that is what we said is better than balance as priorities.
That was one of the five things that we gave.
And so I mean you've touched on two of them.
Time and money. I mean money is not actually finite
because we you know, as you know, if you're the
US government, you just keep printing more, you know, no problem.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
But like, and also you can go make it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well you said that, and as we were warming up
for this, well, it's like you know, with money, it's
like you know, you say, Ferrari or Lamborghini, I want both.
And I said, yeah, you can do that if you're
willing to pay the price for it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, or if you're willing to be one of the
lottery winners that goes broke after three years, like seventy
percent of them do. That still blows my mind shout
out to five episodes ago. But yeah, I mean so,
and we all relate to that one because like, yes,
you can go make more, but we all know what
it is to have the constraints of having a set
amount of money for the time that you're in, right,
So we understand that. Another one that we experienced all
the time. That's finite energy. I thought you'd be impressed
(18:07):
g that. You know, I looked up the law of
conservation of energy, which is basically, energy cannot be created
or destroyed. It's only transformed from one form to another. AKA,
there is a finite amount of energy. That's right, And
so you know we experienced this. We talked about energy
budgeting on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Except that God's the ultimate source. But it's different.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's that is very trueergy. I was talking about physical
energy though, but you know, I appreciate you doing that.
I actually looked up how long the longest person to
ever stay awake was because I was going to try
and work that in here.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I think somebody actually recently set a new record. Well,
if they did, it's not been recorded. There's a lot
of people that set records. There's a seventeen Well they
cut it off. They stopped doing it because it was
so dangerous. Oh yeah, there in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You'll love.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I gotta tell a story now because I looked it
up as part of the prep. This is not really
as much to link. But like we talked about energy
in nineteen sixty four, there was a seventeen year old
high school kid for his for his school science project,
he just I just stay up. He stayed up for
two hundred and sixty four hours while he was observed,
and he set the record. That was his school science project.
He hallucinated, he had massive mood swings, he had paranoia.
(19:11):
It sounds like it was a great set. Eleven day,
eleven days, Yeah, yeah, what a time. So anyways, back
to energy. Don't stay up for eleven days, but I
did five, and yeah, it starts to mess with you
for sure. Yeah, your five were a little more strenuous
than his own guessing.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, but that's I remember when I was in high school,
I would try to like stay up. I think the
most I ever stayed up in high school was like
two and a half days. Yeah, and you like, you know,
red bull and a bag of sour patch only goes
so far, right, Like you're just trying to chug energy
drinks and nothing works for you, right the only like,
I don't know how you stay up that long if
(19:47):
you're not doing sealed training, right, Like people always ask like, man,
how'd you stay up for five days?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Like that one? The hard part?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Right, Yeah, for real, but you're getting relentlessly beat. Believe
it or not, you don't go to sleep. If you're
running for your life, you won't. Well, you kind of
do fall asleep. But just like nanoseconds now, I actually
looked up microsleeves while you were while I was doing
prep because you've talked about it so many times. So
the three once again, those are easy examples just getting
us back on track here for finite time.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And although it's not finite, we're using money and energy.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
These are all things that we come across where the
and that's where the thought process comes from of balance,
because it's like I know I can't like go to
work and be with my kids. I know that I
can't like buy a Ferrari and also be able to
afford you know whatever X else. I know that if
I go work out for twelve hours a day, I'm
not gonna have the energy when I get home at night.
Or you have people go to work all day and
(20:35):
they come home and they are too tired to play
at their kids. We all experience these things. So we're
looking for where we can pull back so that we
can give somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And that's that is the balance here.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But here's the thing, right with time, Like time is
the most finite one, right, but with time, with money,
with energy, with all of these like I think money
is the most flexible, right, Like time's the least flexible. Yeah,
but with all of these things. Even with energy, you
learn how to be more efficient. And it's not so
much that I need more energy, but I do more
(21:05):
with energy that I have. How do I do more?
Do more with the money that I have, even do
more with the time that I have. That's one of
the things I think about all the time. There's some
very successful, very effective like people ask me all the
this is not me bragging on myself, but those of
you who know me personally know all the things.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That are like, man, how do you do so much? Right?
And I look, I'm like, man, I freaking stink. I
got like I have.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
There's people that I look at like I could do
so much more like I could do. You know, I
do a lot with my days. Part the thing, man,
I could there I could be better about how I
manage every hour of the day. I could be better
about how I manage every fifteen minutes of the day.
And some of those people who are extremely capable. That's
exactly what they do, right. They don't waste five minutes
of the day, you know what I wish I did,
(21:50):
But there's times where I waste five minutes, right, and
those people who are very good. So anyways, the point
that I'm making is that balance is this lack mentality.
But what I trying to push you into, what I
want you to see, is that there is an effectiveness
that comes not so from not so much from what
do I need to have less of? But where do
I need to grow that I can be more, that
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I can do more with what I already have. That's
so good because that's what that's what both really is.
It's linked to effectiveness, right, And you talked about that
effectiveness comes from maturity, and the maturity thought process is
that you develop something else, right, Like we all know
that that as you mature, you know as a human
as a man, you grow more muscle, you develop more body. Here,
like there's all these things that kind of grow and
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become Yeah, again, one of the ones we're gonna talk
about here in a second, right, strength and warmth. Strength
is not a bad thing, right, but when it is
unbridled by warmth, when you let strength grow all on
its own, then it starts to feel bad like I
don't ever need to I don't. I'm never never gonna
look at myself like, man, I'm just too strong. Yeah right,
but I can't have a lack of warmth, right, right.
(22:52):
You can't be too what, you can't love people too much,
but you can be weak, right right, and it makes
your love and effective.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I can be so strong, but if I don't have
warmth to go with it, then my strength is harmful.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
People experience it in that way. So again, it's not
saying like I need to be less of something, it's
where do I need to grow? That I need to
grow in some other areas, and that I'm never trying
to just delete positive quality. Strength is a positive quality.
Warmth is a positive quality. What do you need to
pair it with?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, okay, let's let's just dive in then. So here's
here's the six examples of both. And you already talked
about that first one, and these are similar to principles.
Think about them like forces, because you know, if you
were going to assault on target, you want to be
as effective as possible. You're gonna want ground force you're
gonna want air force. You're gonna want literally everything that
you can psychological cycle. I actually was gonna say psychological,
(23:41):
but you know only one of us has been trained
to war.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It works.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, that is that a reference back to our our
lean challenge anyways. Uh, but yeah, you want as much
force as possible. And so that's the both thought process.
If you're gonna be effective, it's not like, oh, what
do I need to reduce? It's how do I get
as much force as possible to produce these results? And
you talked about strength and warmth, Well what's that effective,
en g It's leadership.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Right, that is leadership.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, it is the leadership if and I take strength
and warmth. So like the love and law, which I,
you know, experience when I read the word of God
and I understand who he is, it's like the first bit.
It's the big both that like shows like man, like
that's who God is. He's both grace and truth. Right,
that's similar to love and law. These are like some
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of the big spiritual ones that like began to give
me this understanding of Okay, this is it's it's not balance,
it's both and strength worre strength and warmth comes. I'm
forgetting the author but comes from a book called Compelling
People right and talks about that's what it takes to
like a lot of like a lot of people think
leadership is management, like it's a title, it's a role.
How do I you know, why why don't people listen
(24:49):
to me? I just need to be a more effective
communicator and people will listen to me. I need to
I need to grow, you know, I need to go
get my MBA in organizational management and then I'll understand
how to structure things properly and I'll be a better leader. No,
what you need is for people to look at you
and see your capacity and understand how much you care
for them, and they'll follow you anywhere. Right now, Once
(25:12):
you are a great leader like you, you should, like
maybe spend some weekends learning about organizational structure and you
can do a lot more with that. Maybe you should,
you know, practice speaking and learn how to be an
effective communicator, learn how to write, and that'll help you
a lot as a leader. But if you if you
get great communication and great organizational structure and you don't
have leadership abilities, you're a manager, right right?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
What what it comes back to the gosh, I use
it all the time. But Eisenhower's definition of leadership so
to get people to do what you want when you
want them to do it and they want to do it.
Why would people Why would anyone want to do what
you want them to do? Because they believe that one
you're capable, and they believe that you actually care about them, right,
And that turns like you, you become unlocked as a
(25:56):
leader when people feel that way about you. You you do.
People need to look up to you, they need to
respect you for you to be a leader, but they
also have to believe in their heart they're like, man,
this guy actually cares about me. He wants what's best
for me. And if you cannot manipulate people, but if
you can influence people and they see you and they
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believe that about you, they'll follow you anywhere. And that's
the greatness of that of leadership. It's strength and warmth.
And I'm not trying to like what. I'm never looking
at these like, oh man, I'm just too warm today.
And I also also the same. I'm not thinking like, man,
I was too strong today. More so, what I might
think is, you know, I let my strength get ahead
(26:38):
of my warmth, or I let my warmth get ahead
of my strength. That doesn't happen to me very often,
I believe, But I know that I need both of
these things together. And I actually like I prize warmth
because I know it's like this special ingredient that goes
with the strength that God's given me, and so like
I treasure it and I want to grow in that
because I know it's what makes me toctive leader.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, and that that's been one of my biggest leadership
lessons I've learned from you, is the strength and warmth
because everybody will speak one more naturally. And and I'm
sure people out there like, oh, you're probably warmth. No,
I'm a lot more likely to be the executioner. And
I've had to learn cut you, bro, No, I won't.
And I've honestly I've been God. God's humbled me in
that because I've had situations where I've realized I was
all strength and not warmth.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
And guess what happened when you When you cut people,
they won't follow you, right, and one it doesn't. What
do I want to do?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I want to help people know Jesus if I'm if
I'm the one offending people all the time, and not
because of some offense needs to happen, but but because
I got it wrong. Then I'm never gonna feel good
about that. And that's what's happened. So I've had to
humble myself and go back. So it's a real leadership lesson.
And now you touched on love and logy and and
that the the effectiveness of that is to follow Christ. Right,
is that you need love and law and being Christ
(27:48):
like right that he's that He's both. Yeah, right, Jesus
was strength and warmth, but he knew the law, lived like,
lived it fully, but also was love and mercy to people.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That's that's Christ on the cross before he died, saying, Father,
forgive them, for they know not what they do. He
knew what the penalty of sin was. He knew that
the people that he was around didn't deserve it, didn't
understand what he was doing, and loved them for it anyways,
and I was willing to pay the price for it.
That is truly what Christ's likeness is that you can
(28:20):
be both love and law. If you miss one of
these things, you're not going to be fully effective. Right,
and this is where you know, I frown upon people
who you know, who are just so focused on the love.
It's like, no, you need to actually understand what scripture says.
And on the flip side of that, there's people who
get so focused on the lot, like this is wrong
(28:41):
and that's wrong. It's right. And Paul said it, without
love you have nothing. That love, you have nothing, and
that's there's also this is a different episode, but if
we if we get into it, this is you know,
Paul's saying, without love, you have nothing, but he's saying
that on top of the law, God did.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
God.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
God did what he did in the order that he
did for a reason. God brought the law first to
show you who he is, to show you his strength,
to put the love on top of it. I you know,
you can miss these things in scripture, but God does
exactly what he does. Just like you can look at
what scripture says, you can also see what scripture didn't say.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
And one of the scriptures that I love.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Second Tipathy one seven, for God has not given you
a spirit of fear, but then a spirit of power
and love in a sound mind. Right, love is highly
prioritized in scripture and so you might think that it
would say well and love and power, right, But it's
power and love, and I.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Just think that's I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
God brought the law first, then he brought the love,
and so we need to be both of these things.
It's not just one or the other. And all of
us are going to be naturally one. But your maturity
and your effectiveness comes from you seeing like, man, I'm
not that, and I don't need to be less of
what I am. And this is the transformation part, right,
Like my warmth comes from seeing the effectiveness of Christ
(30:01):
and experiencing the warmth and the love of Christ, from
experiencing the mercy of Christ. When you realize that you
are are wretched and undeserving, that gives you mercy.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
And I look at my own life and I think
about the mistakes and the continual sin I've had in
my own life, like I'm not perfect, and I'm a sinner,
and the way there's ways that I am. There's thoughts
that I have that are messed up and wrong. And
I go and I think, man, I've been given so much,
Like compared to what most people have, I've been given
so much more and I still can't get it right.
(30:32):
You know what that does gives me so much more
mercy for other people.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, that's so well said.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
You said something two episodes back, gee about the point
of our weaknesses to draw us into the strength of God.
And I think that when this is where love and
law is so confounded because the natural mind we want
to go, well, how do I know which one to be?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Because going to I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's like what you just said. The whole point is
that you realize how much you need Jesus. You need
to rely on the Holy Spirit's leading. Because the same
Jesus that came down and knew the law better than
anybody had a woman brought to an adultery and what
he say, he who's without sin cast the first stone
that is in direct violation of what was written. Like
you know, you could go and say scripture, you're wrong,
like the Pharisees of today, Just like the Pharisees of
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back then. We're like, oh, this guy doesn't fall a law,
throw them out. And but yet this is Jesus, this
is God in the flesh, and so like, really sit
there and think about that. If you think you're going
to figure this out on your own man press into God.
That that's if you're not being led by the Holy
Spirit in these things, you will err. And that's that's
one of the things of seeing our weakness, like you
just said, when you really see yourself, you'll realize how desperate.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
You need God.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And that moment in Scripture, it's such a great example
of discipleship, by the way, right because Jesus didn't say, like,
come and follow me and read and I'll test you
on your knowledge of structure. For sure, he said, he said,
come follow me, watch, I'll show you. I'll show you
what like. You know what it says. I know what
it says. Now let me show you what that looks like.
(31:54):
That's really what discipleship is. To have a teacher, not
who can tell you what it says, it can show
you what it means.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, that's so good. All right, gee, let's keep moving.
Next up on the boats is fruitfulness, which we all
want to be fruitful. And that's vision and stewardship, which
I love that thought process.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, these are these are two that you might not
put together. Vision is is seeing the world that you imagine.
Vision is having big dreams. Vision is having some ambition,
right and and you know I see men sometimes that
I wish they.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Had a little bit more ambition. Right, you can't, it's hard.
I can't. I can't give it to you.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right like you you, I think you can pray and
ask for that, the same way that you can pray
and ask God for anything in your life. But God,
God makes us the way that we are. But ambition, man,
like it, that's the hunger. And you talk to people
who've achieved great things like they'll they'll tell you like that,
it's what they look for in others like does he
have the hunger? Does he really want it? Vision is
(32:51):
seeing a big picture. But ambition and vision by itself
can lead you straight into the pit absolute destruction. What
it has to be paired with where it's dangerous on
its own, the same way like unbridled strength is dangerous
unbridled vision. You know that that can be just endless
creativity that's that's overly lofty and not worth anything. Or
(33:13):
it can be hunger that leads into or an ambition
that leads into false character. But when you put with
it stewardship, which stewardship is taking care of the resources
that you have, right, stewardship can I don't hear it
this way, but I think stewardship can sometimes be heard
as like a small word, right, the same way that
people like misinterpret meekness. I think you know, Stuart, what
(33:36):
is a steward? Not the owner, right, not the It's
not kingship, it's stewardship. Stewart is a ward. You're a
caretaker of someone else's things, and so that is a
that is a smaller position. It's the position of a servant.
It's the position of like, Lord, you gave this to me,
it's not mine. I'll take care of it and give
it back to you. And we've got to have some
of that. Of all the things that you have in
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your life, you need to be a great steward of
what's in your hand and the vision. In stewardship, you know,
I could also say that this is fruitfulness, but I
could also say it's purpose because it's very similar to
what we teach on purpose. Yeah, what's in your heart's
in your hand, what's in your hand, and that's again
that's those are the things that lead to your purpose
and vision and stewardship are the things that are going
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to lead to fruitfulness. You've got to have a vision
for who God's made you to be, what's really possible.
Get a God sized vision for your life. But also
that God sized vision is going to be way bigger
than where you are today, and you just need to
take really good care of what you have, keep believing,
keep growing. Okay, if I'm not where I'm, if I'm
not where I see if I if I don't like
my life doesn't line up with the vision that I
(34:41):
have for my life, and then I'm talking to myself
right now. If my life doesn't look like the vision
that I have, that means I need to get better.
It means I need to grow. Needs means I need
to be a better steward of what God's already given me.
Continue to develop myself, keep believing for Him, and I'm
in I'm You know, you would think, like I'm I'm
waiting on God. It doesn't work that way, right, Like God,
(35:03):
I'm not waiting for God to catch up to me.
Right for sure, It's a silly thought when you think
about it that way. Right, God's waiting on me to
get caught up to him. It's like I have so
much more for you just need to mature.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You're not ready.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, I think I want to give this because you've
said this numerous times recently, and I know I've had
a few people listeners and people that we know and
people that we don't know that have reached out about this.
I think with that, what vision and stewardship looks like
practically is what you've talked about.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Where each morning you get on your.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Knees and you say to God, if this isn't what
you want, Like if what's in my heart isn't what
you want, then I don't want it. And that's a
powerful place today when you're when you're bearing a great vision.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
That is the that's I'm not afraid. Like I think
ambition is a great thing to hunger, to to believe,
to dream, but I know I have to pair, Like
if I don't put that before the Lord, it'll become
something terrible. Yeah right, But again that's like it's like strength.
I don't need less strong. I don't need to turn
(35:58):
down my strength like oh bad strength, right? Bad bad vision?
Bad Ooh you have that guy has too much ambition? Right, No,
he might have too much ambition and not enough steward
ship might have too much ambition and not enough character.
I would never wish for a man to have less ambition, right,
I would just wish for him to have more character.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Or the opposite could be true. I'm all stewardship, like
I'm too afraid to do anything that might like lose.
It's like, bro, you need some hunger. You need to
want maybe a little bit more than you got. Yeah,
exactly right, very good, all right, man? Next up G
is righteousness, and I love this fearlessness and honor.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's the both. Oh man.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I was having this conversation with a friend the other
This is a this is a narrow, narrow path to
walk this way. I wish more men had fearlessness. And
I'm so so grateful to God for the experience he
gave me of being in the sealed teams around being
to get to be around people who were like me,
who were just semi insane, right and just like very fearless,
(36:56):
like willing to face whatever. It's a it's a great
thing to have, but it's it can be terribly dangerous
all on its own right. That fearlessness turns into pride
very quickly. That fearlessness turns into concededness and seeing how
great you are and no one can stand against me.
And uh, you know when I think about when I
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when I like Saul is a great like I want
to be like David. And if you want to be
like David, you need to study Saul, because Saul is
is Saul was supposed to be David, but Saul saald right,
And so if you want to be like David, you
need to study who Saul was. And Saul wasn't afraid, right,
But Saul also like the reason that the kingdom is
(37:39):
taken from him. God says you did not honor me, right.
He didn't say you were afraid that kept the Israelites
out of the Promised Land. But what kept Saul from
the throne is that you did not You did not
honor me, right, And so both of these things are
it can be barriers to our destiny, right God, with
the Israelites you were afraid, But with Saul, he said
you were supposed to be the king, but you didn't
(38:00):
honor me. And so we need to be both fearless.
But also we need to look at the Lord and say, God,
I want your way and not mine. And what I
was saying to Nick earlier is that I feel like
this is the attribute of a man, that you are
just as willing to go to war as you are
to bow like I will bow, I will kneel, and
to be just as willing to do both. And again,
(38:22):
this is one of those things where there's you know,
the same men who are more prone to law, who
are more prone to strength, they're more prone to war.
You have to be just you have to be just
as developed in your warmth. You have to be just
as develop in your care and your stewardship. You have
to be just as developed in your honor and your
willingness to kneel.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Now, I think to you most people are more honorable
than they are fearless. Though, right, so most people need
to develop fearlessness.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I've known both men.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I just have, but you've also I don't think that
that's common. I'm just saying. I mean, so for a
lot of people, they need to turn up their their
fearless dial right. And and yes you should honor, because
I do think honors not really talked about in society
as a whole, except for the military. We've covered that
at length on other episodes. But I would say, like,
where you come in and you've seen a level of fearlessness.
That's why I appreciate about you is that you've seen
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things that I think a lot of people don't even
know exist. Sure, and so when you share some of
these insights, I'm like, man, I love that. And to
be at a place where you really could walk righteously
with no fear but also with absolute honor.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Man, it's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Beause their fearlessness and honor. The people might not this
might not be one that jumps out to people. Yeah,
that's what I was gonna say, because Okay, like strength
and warmth, those those seem opposed right, like love and law. Duh, Okay,
I get that right. Law is the wages of sin
is death. Love is for God so loved the world
that he gave right right, these are these are scriptures
(39:43):
that exhibit love and law, and God is both of
these things. Fearlessness is willing to as when when I
recently had the chance to talk with Robert Gates, former
Secretary of Defense, he was talking about like he told
many stories. One of the he's one of the wisest
people I've ever had the chance to speak with. He
told many stories of what it means to speak truth
(40:04):
to power. Right, that's fearlessness. And he told stories from
his own life. He told stories from World War Two,
you know, his predecessors to have. I mean, this is
a guy who's like learned lessons from the people that
you read about in history books. Very it was very
cool to spend some time with him. He talked about,
you know what fearlessness looks like in a very different
way of speaking truth to power, but at the same time,
(40:25):
being honoring is like David was honoring with Saul. He
could have told Saul, like, you know, God said You're
not the one. God said I'm the one, right, Like
you're a wretched king. The spirit has departed from you. Yeah,
David didn't do that. He could have killed him as well.
He could have killed him multiple times. David didn't do that.
(40:45):
And that's what honor looks like. And so that's you know,
the this is where they seem opposed. Like fearless is
like I'll kill the king, but but honor is like
I'll honor the Saul, I'll honor the wicked king. I'll
let God do it his way.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Ye touch not.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
The Lord's point is what he said, and it's an
incredible thing. We could go on and on about that,
we got too left, Gye, And let's go first to
resilience and humility, which are two of your favorite things.
Specifically resilience, I would say.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, specifically resilience. But you know, out of and with
any of these qualities, you know, I feel like I've
been able to understand the ones that I'm strong in.
But like again, strength, strength becomes meaningless at a certain
point when you have no warmth to go with it.
And I feel like I'm naturally a very resilient person,
(41:33):
but there's a point where it becomes worthless without humility.
And so resilience, let me talk about where they where
they wrestle, where they contrast. The actual definition of resilience
is the ability of something to return to its original form, right, okay,
And so like physically, you know, I like to use
a bouncy ball as an example, right, those little super
(41:54):
bouncy balls that are so fun that like they absorb
all the energy and reflect it all back, because that
like if you look at them under a high speed camera,
like they deform for milliseconds when they hit the ground
and then immediately return to form.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
The opposite is a wad of cookie dough zero resilience.
You throw it on the ground and splat, right it
just it has taken new form and will never return
to its old form, right, okay. And so like what
you want to be as a person is like things
hit you and they just bounce off, right, Like I
took a hit to my identity, shook it off, bounced
right back.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Like.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
That's what you've got to have as an athlete. That's
what you've got to have as a performer, is a
lot of great bounce back ability. That's the greatness of resilience.
Where what resilience can turn into and where resilience becomes
dangerous is where resilience and delusion are real.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Similar.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Delusion is people are telling you like, hey man, like,
I think you should reconsider the way that you do business.
Hey man, Like you might not have all the things
figured out that you think you got figured out. And
a resilient person be like, oh, you guys are just
doubting me, right again, Very similar to delusion. I've talked
about this in other People's podcast. It's one of the
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questions when I talk about resilience, people ask me like,
how is that not delusion? And well, the difference between
resilience and delusion is pride. Right, When resilience is prideful,
it becomes delusion. Delusion is not willing to absorb anything
that tells it it's not who you think you are.
Resilience is this. It's a bounce back quality that comes
(43:32):
from belief that doesn't come from pride. And so the
way that you balance resilience out is that you have humility,
like you need to be someone. It's like, I know
God made me to be great, but I can also,
as Pops would say it, if to shoe fits wear
it when you tell me I suck and you're someone
I should listen to. I'm going to listen to that,
and I won't let that hurt how I feel about myself,
(43:53):
but I am going to let it make me change
because there's obviously some things are telling me that I
need to grow in and only humility he can receive
that lesson. When you're prideful, the scariest thing to you
is that you're not great, right, This is it's Isaiah fourteen.
It's Satan declaring his greatness. Why he's got to keep
reminding himself over and over again, because the worst thing
(44:15):
to him is thinking that he might not be the one, right.
And so resilience is this thing that comes from belief,
but you have to have the humility that goes with it.
If you're pure resilience, you are dangerous. If you're all humility,
you're completely unnoticed and not worth very much, right, And
so you need a little.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Bit of both. Would you say that those make you
more effective at endurance?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I would say resilience and humility. Yeah, endurance is exactly
what I put it in because I had to have
resilience to make it through seal training. But humility was
also the quality like if I had been delusional, because
I saw I had those classmates right, they were delusional
up until the point that it broke them. Only by
(45:01):
humility could I actually learn and not get broken by
the program, right like I believe, But I also had
to change.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, very good all Rgie.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Last one is a doozy that people have struggled with
for a lot of time as Christians, and it's faith
and works right.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I mean James talks about in the Book of James
about You Show Me. We could do a whole podcast
on this one. But I would just hope by.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
This point that maybe we've convinced you that both is
something you haven't thought about before. Yeah, it's not you
and you're not right, and by one or the other.
Without without love, you have nothing. But you need love
based on the law. Without faith, it is impossible to
please God. But also show me your faith, and I'll
(45:44):
show you my works. Right, the faith becomes the works.
So it's not so much like oh all, if you're
all works and no faith, again, impossible to please God,
but it's your But if you have faith and there's
no fruit in your life, there's no action that is
on top of that, that is a heartless faith. It's
a fake faith. Yeah, and so we have to be both.
(46:05):
So I hope what you would take away from today's
podcast is there are some things that are finite, and
the finite things are about prioritization. But where you have
wrestled with balance in your life, it's not I need
to be less, but it's I need to be more.
I need to be grow because all of what we're
talking about today, not the balance part, but the both part.
Both is what leads to your maturity. Both is what
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leads to your ultimate greatness and you fulfilling that, every
fulfilling everything that God has for you on the earth.
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It's God more love or is God more law?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's both And this is I think one of this
is one of my favorite understandings of who we are
as it relates to God, is that God is sovereign
and man is responsible. I means God's in control of everything.
And a lot of people would say like, oh, that's predestination,
like God, God preordained it all, God set it all
in motion beforehand.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, I would say yes, And.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I would also say that God bless you choose and
how could that be sail?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, it's both. That's impossible. Let me tell you what
I believe. It's your weakness, it's not your technique.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Don't think you know you the Impossible Life Podcast, I
mean yes.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Sitting on a winning lot.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Of second an idea that is fully formed, fully understood.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That sticks.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is the Impossible Life Podcast because Nick and I
are attempting to live impossible lives. What we know is
that not is impossible. So instead of using impossible as
an excuse to not try, we'll use the pursuit of
impossible as an accelerant for greatness. If something's never been
done before, that just means it's unexplored. If they tell you.
(01:15):
It's too hard. It's just waiting to be simplified. Impossible
as a default label used by uncourageous people unwilling to
take a risk.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
The real truth is this The.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Solution to any impossible task starts with this question, if
I had to, what would it take? What would it take?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Welcome to another episode of the Impossible Life Podcast. I'm
your co host, Nick Surface, and I'm looking across as
a man who recently received a report from ancestry dot
com that revealed he is one half German, one half Scottish,
and one half Viking. That's right, friends, the phone kart uncleback,
a man whose genetic makeup can't be limited by math.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's silly. Yeah, it's a maybe some truth to it.
It's one hundred and fifty percent awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Ooh is that what that adds up to? I thought
the Viking was a good shout. I thought you'd appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I can appreciate the Viking if you're European. There's probably
a little bit of Viking and all of us.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That says a lot about the Vikings and not a
lot about us. Anyways, all right, gee, today's episode is back.
In episode twenty, we looked at balance, and we gave
people five things better than balance, and today we want
to give them an entirely new process. And I'm going
to say that this is both not balance, which is
what makes sense as we get into it, right, because
we all have ideas of balance when we think about balance.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Gee.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Of course, if you're in America, which I know that
like ninety two percent of our listeners are, that's not
an estimate.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I do. Look at the stats.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You'll know something about balance budget because the last time
we had a balanced budget was under Bill Clinton, if
you remember him, and it was from nineteen ninety eight
to two thousand and one. And in two thousand and
one we had the majestic accomplishment of a one hundred
and twenty eight billion dollar surplus. Fast forward a mere
twenty four years, and last year, in twenty twenty four,
we added one point eight three to three trillion dollars
(03:11):
to our national deficit, which let leaves us with as
of August twenty twenty five, a total debt of thirty
seven trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Ooops, yeah, whoops.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And yet we have a bunch of people who are
mad at Elon Musk for trying to recover some of this.
But you know, hey, darn that guy for reference, because
I think we hear trillion. You go, wait, hang on
thirty seven trillion. I want to make sure people grasp
how big a trillion is. If you had a trillion seconds. Okay,
we all know there's sixty seconds in a minute. A
trillion seconds is thirty one thousand, seven hundred and nine years,
(03:44):
not weeks, not days, not months.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Years.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Thirty one thousand, seven hundred nine years is in a
trillion is a trillion seconds, and we have thirty seven
of those as our national debt. So Halijah another place
where people. I think a lot of people maybe don't
spend a lot time thinking about the national debt g
but every person, whether they're in an America or not,
because I know we got people in the UK and
Australia and Germany and Canada, and shout out to all
those people. We appreciate you guys. But we all encounter
(04:09):
counter energy balance every day right based on what we
most Americans unfortunately are in what we call an energy surplus.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
They do.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They do not have the deficit problem that our country's
budget does. And that's why the average male is twenty
eight percent body fat. But you and I are are. Yeah,
you and I are running the American way. We are
both in deficit right now as we compete in the
for the title of Lena's person on the podcast with
our man who's not on the podcast, Big Norm.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But also he's like a he's not a guest, but
he's with us always. He's a frequent, frequent shout out.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, because Norm's awesome. Norm is a guy that we love.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He's an ambassador. Yeah, there are many podcast ambassadors there,
and yeah, Norm has been with us from day. Norm
dressed up as macho man Randy Savage when we ran
one hundred mile and I was so delirious. I thought
he was serving in kids church. I didn't know he
did it for us.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Like that that gives you a state.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But basically how this happened, Norm sent us as Dexas
Scan results. I then encountered with my results. Garrett then
put his in, and then it became you know, like
any red blooded males were like, well, I think I.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Could beat you, and we were because we were all
thirteen point something.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, we were all within Like I thought you were
just over fourteen, weren't you in body fat.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We were close. We were all within point four of
the next person, and so it was tight. I mean,
we're all thirteen to fourteen percent body fat. And that's
not like a brag because now we're going hard. So
we're all in deficit right now. And I'm telling you
that a large pizza sounds pretty wonderful to me all
the time. And that's just gonna have to wait for
another six weeks because Garrett was a fat kid. Dude,
(05:34):
we've all got that inter fact. Man, Sometimes you just
need to be fed. So we'll see who wins you.
Because it's gonna go till it. Right now, it's late August,
and we're gonna go ahead and we have to do
our next decks on October, in early October, and that's
when we find out. And you've talked an uncharacteristic amount
of trash. I just want to say that because you
and I have competed a lot of things and you
never talk trash ever. You just get about your business.
(05:56):
On this one you have.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's been fun messing with you and Norm. Okay, you
haven't talked much trash. Well that's because dude.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I'm using you against you, like that's I'm using a
different methodology and we'll see it's the numbers won't lie anyways.
All right, So gee, let's let's get into this. Because
you hear people talk about this a lot, like all
my life's out of balance, work life balance. People say
this a lot, and balance is like this thought process
that everything needs to like equal, right, like if I,
(06:24):
you know, oh man, I'm way out of balance because
I'm working too much, or I'm way out of balance
because I I you know, I'm doing so much of
one thing. And so we have this idea almost like
we have like a set number of chips that we
can place on certain piles and then.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Once we play them all out.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I certainly don't like the way that balance has talked about,
right a lot of peoples. And this is why I
was saying to Nick. You know, when I the way
I experience people talk about balance or what balance typically means,
it doesn't feel good to me, right, And that's not
like the voice of an unbalanced person. I want to
(06:57):
be I want to be my best, But the way
I talk, like when I hear some people talk about balance,
I don't feel like the way that they're saying it
is like out of growth and out of like a
greatness mindset. It's more so like a settling in. It's like, well,
I just have to be okay with less of something.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, Yeah, because it is like a zero sum thought process, right,
because if I have more of one thing, it means
I have to have less of another.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, you know, I'm just trying to balance work and
family and getting to spend time with my friends and
all of those. The way if you talk about balance
in that way, well, you have to have less of
one to have more of the other.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And I don't like that, right, don't. I don't like
that idea. I don't like the idea that I'm in
this game of my family only wins when my business loses,
and my business only wins my family loses. Yeah, that's
a I'm not playing that game, right. I've often had
that thing when people would offer me, like, hey, you
could either take this or take that, be like, well,
I'll just have both.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I've done.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Honestly, there's so many examples I can think of, specifically
in career when it's come to those types of things,
like I'll figure both out, and it's it's worked out
all right. But because that's the both process right, both
means you don't have to turn one down so the
other can go up. It means that you may just
need to turn one up and leave the other one
up as well. And that's a very different thought process.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
And where this first came from for me, and because
we'll come back to this later, but I want to
give some of the inception of where this came from.
Is there's this when you study Scripture and you study
who God is, there's this beautiful understanding of who God is.
And we experience this in Christianity, where we are very imperfect.
(08:33):
God is perfect and we're trying to be like him.
And when you really are like Christ, when people experience that,
it's something that I mean truly, when you get the
revelation of who God is and you experience him, there's
nothing like it. And where I think churches miss it,
where we miss it as Christians is trying to balance
(08:54):
instead of being both. And this is one of the
beautiful divine characteristics of God, is the way that he's both.
And I think this is one of the most descriptive
ones of who he is in the Bible, is that
He's both love and law, right law and the Old
Testament love in Christ and God isn't less of one
to be more of the other. He's both Jesus. Jesus said,
(09:16):
I did not come to abolish the law, but to
fulfill it. And where you experience poor Christianity is where
you have something that is very much more love or
more law than the other. And God doesn't have to
be less law to be more love. Right, God doesn't
have to be less love to be more law. He somehow,
(09:36):
even though these things seem to contrast, they seem to
be contrary, God is both at the same time. And
so this is an example of where God does. God
isn't trying to be less, He's trying to be but
he doesn't have to try.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
He is both.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And I think this is an example of really what
true maturity looks like. As men and as christ followers.
Most people are naturally better at one than the other.
Oh yeah, you're like you have There's Christians who are
very like law based, like law is easy for them, the.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Love is hard for them.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And there's other people that are more love based and
like the law is hard for them, right, Like they
just want constant leniency in the law. And where we
become most christ Like is not where we're you know,
if I'm naturally a law person, that I just become
less law. Where I become more christ Like is where
I become more love and the maturity and the greatness
(10:28):
comes from learning how to be both, not just less
of one to make room for the other.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And you just highlighted something of God's nature, And I
really want to encourage people. The greatest question you'll ever
have to answer is what is God like? And Garrett
just gave you some thoughts about how you have this
God who's infinite. He's not growing in love, he's not
even like it's not a character quality. He is love,
he is just. He is all powerful, he is infinite,
and we can't comprehend that. I think probably the best
(10:56):
thing I could ever recommend if you want to start
diving into that, read aw Towzer's No All the Holy
Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
That book. Man is just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, I look at so many theological debates right, things
like predestination, and so many theological debates where they're silly
arguments because it's like saying, like is God more love
or is God more law. He's both right, and this
is I think one of this is one of my
favorite understandings of who we are as it relates to God,
(11:25):
is that God is sovereign and man is responsible. Means
God's in control of everything. And a lot of people
would say like, oh, that's predestination, like God and God
preordained it all, God set it all in motion beforehand. Well,
I would say yes, and I would also say that
God bless you choose, and how could that be?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, it's both and the same way that it's very
hard for us to understand how God could be both
love and law. He's both.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, because when you're if you're so powerful and you
live outside time, you could look and play out every snare.
I like, whatever you choose, I win. And we can't
understand that it's truly is beyond oura. You can try
to make exact samples or analogies for it, it's beyond
our comprehension. Yeah, all is all that you can comprehend
is that it's beyond you. And somehow he's both.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
The great thing is, geez, now that you said that
you're probably gonna win this bet because I'm just going
to say both to everything, like do I want cookies
or do I want to eat something healthy?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Both? Boom, there you go, it works. Oh wait, it
doesn't because here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You have to have wisdom. And this is what we're
going to get into. We're going to give you six
examples of where you need both. We're going to talk
about some the actual thought process compared to balance. But
here's here's where you need to have some discernment. You
have to have an understanding of what's finite and what's
not right. Because the things that we're talking about are both.
We're not saying like, yeah, where a lot of people
talk about balance is as it relates to time. Yeah okay,
(12:42):
yeah right, and when people like I said, I don't
like the idea of, you know, to win at business,
my family has to lose or vice versa.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And what what you do have to do is choose right.
And I think this is interesting how this is this
is nerd talk, so like if you're not a nerd,
to just hang out for a second.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
One of the scientific similarities there's not many, but one
of the scientific similarities to both is I've talked about
this before is in quantum technology, right like, there's nothing
like in nature. We experience things as binary on or off,
positively charged or negatively charged, right like it's a zero
(13:24):
or it's a one. That's most of the world that
we experience. But there is actually a scientific example of both,
and that's at the quantum level. If you study quantum particles,
they have this equality that we don't really understand except
we know that it is this way that quantum particles
can be in two places at one time. And I'll
oversimplify this. There's this experience. There's this experiment that they
(13:50):
did and it turned into what they call the observer's law.
And there's people way smarter than me who listen to
this podcast or you're like, you're totally fudging this up.
But I'll just overset simplify it. And they did this
thing where they would try to observe a quantum particle,
like they could test it and see that the quantum
particle is actually in two places at the same time.
But when you look at it, it goes to one, huh. Right,
(14:13):
if you don't look at it, it's in two places
at the same time, but as soon as you look
at it in a moment, it's in one place or
the other. Right, you can't see it in two places
at one time. And so just Wikipedia learn about this,
Schrodinger's cat, Observer's law, learn about how a quantum particle
can be in two places at one time. I'm sure
there's great YouTube videos on it. But anyways, I make
(14:35):
this point to say, this is actually a science thing,
that is something we can see that it's this weird.
We don't understand how that's possible, but we know that
it is okay. But when you look at it, it
goes to one place to the other. And I think
God shows up in this way as well, that like
God is both love and law, but in a moment
he appeared, he can appear as just love or just
(14:58):
appear as just law. Because there's just like as a parent,
right your children need both of these qualities from you,
but in a moment, you become one or the other.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Right, man, I didn't see you going down that path
at all.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And by the way, if you're that listener out there
that actually knew what the Observer's laws, troup is a
comment on Spotify or shoot us a DM because I
would love to know you exist, because I'm not sure
when you're like, oh, I'm sure there's somebody out there
that knows this way better.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I would love to hear from you. Actually, people way
smarter than me.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah I know that, but I'm just saying I just
I would be surprised to hear.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
From them about the observer's law. It's all same man anyways.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So okay, So here's the things that are finite, because,
like we said, you need to have an understand of
what's finite and what's not before you start saying both
to everything. So like your time you touched on it,
time is finite. You want to run an ultra marathon
and well on vacation with your family, probably not going
to work out too well.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Where people look at they look at time, And this
is where I were saying, like, I know, I knew
this is wrong. People are talking about balance and it
just means losing at one point, which I don't believe that, right.
I do not accept that you have to lose it
at one thing just to win at the other. But
what you do have to do with time is prioritize. Yeah, right, Like,
and the life does work this way. God gave us
(16:07):
a set amount of time, and he said, what will
you do with it? That is a test. That's an
allocation test. It's a prioritization test. It's not a both
with my life. Some of God's tests for us are
a prioritization test. Will you put me first? That's a
prioritization test.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And when you get however much money you make in
a month, you have to prioritize it, right. You can't
have put all your money in savings and all your
money in your checking and all your money on going
to Disneyland and all your money in your business. It
doesn't work that way. You have to prioritize. And so
we're going to talk about a couple different areas where
some are finite, right, And that's where again people will
(16:49):
talk about balance, But that's more so about prioritization. Get
the right things first, do them in the right order.
That's not the balance issue, right. I'm not trying to
balance my life and the things that I want to
do and my family. I prioritize those things, right, right.
So I'm saying I'm setting this up to talk about
where people misunderstand or there's misconception on balance. Some things
(17:12):
are prioritization other things are both.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And in episode twenty when we talked about balance, originally
that is what we said is better than balance as priorities.
That was one of the five things that we gave.
And so I mean you've touched on two of them.
Time and money. I mean money is not actually finite
because we you know, as you know, if you're the
US government, you just keep printing more, you know, no problem.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
But like, and also you can go make it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well you said that, and as we were warming up
for this, well, it's like you know, with money, it's
like you know, you say, Ferrari or Lamborghini, I want both.
And I said, yeah, you can do that if you're
willing to pay the price for it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, or if you're willing to be one of the
lottery winners that goes broke after three years, like seventy
percent of them do. That still blows my mind shout
out to five episodes ago. But yeah, I mean so,
and we all relate to that one because like, yes,
you can go make more, but we all know what
it is to have the constraints of having a set
amount of money for the time that you're in, right,
So we understand that. Another one that we experienced all
the time. That's finite energy. I thought you'd be impressed
(18:07):
g that. You know, I looked up the law of
conservation of energy, which is basically, energy cannot be created
or destroyed. It's only transformed from one form to another. AKA,
there is a finite amount of energy. That's right, And
so you know we experienced this. We talked about energy
budgeting on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Except that God's the ultimate source. But it's different.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's that is very trueergy. I was talking about physical
energy though, but you know, I appreciate you doing that.
I actually looked up how long the longest person to
ever stay awake was because I was going to try
and work that in here.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I think somebody actually recently set a new record. Well,
if they did, it's not been recorded. There's a lot
of people that set records. There's a seventeen Well they
cut it off. They stopped doing it because it was
so dangerous. Oh yeah, there in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You'll love.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I gotta tell a story now because I looked it
up as part of the prep. This is not really
as much to link. But like we talked about energy
in nineteen sixty four, there was a seventeen year old
high school kid for his for his school science project,
he just I just stay up. He stayed up for
two hundred and sixty four hours while he was observed,
and he set the record. That was his school science project.
He hallucinated, he had massive mood swings, he had paranoia.
(19:11):
It sounds like it was a great set. Eleven day,
eleven days, Yeah, yeah, what a time. So anyways, back
to energy. Don't stay up for eleven days, but I
did five, and yeah, it starts to mess with you
for sure. Yeah, your five were a little more strenuous
than his own guessing.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, but that's I remember when I was in high school,
I would try to like stay up. I think the
most I ever stayed up in high school was like
two and a half days. Yeah, and you like, you know,
red bull and a bag of sour patch only goes
so far, right, Like you're just trying to chug energy
drinks and nothing works for you, right the only like,
I don't know how you stay up that long if
(19:47):
you're not doing sealed training, right, Like people always ask like, man,
how'd you stay up for five days?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Like that one? The hard part?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Right, Yeah, for real, but you're getting relentlessly beat. Believe
it or not, you don't go to sleep. If you're
running for your life, you won't. Well, you kind of
do fall asleep. But just like nanoseconds now, I actually
looked up microsleeves while you were while I was doing
prep because you've talked about it so many times. So
the three once again, those are easy examples just getting
us back on track here for finite time.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And although it's not finite, we're using money and energy.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
These are all things that we come across where the
and that's where the thought process comes from of balance,
because it's like I know I can't like go to
work and be with my kids. I know that I
can't like buy a Ferrari and also be able to
afford you know whatever X else. I know that if
I go work out for twelve hours a day, I'm
not gonna have the energy when I get home at night.
Or you have people go to work all day and
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they come home and they are too tired to play
at their kids. We all experience these things. So we're
looking for where we can pull back so that we
can give somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And that's that is the balance here.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But here's the thing, right with time, Like time is
the most finite one, right, but with time, with money,
with energy, with all of these like I think money
is the most flexible, right, Like time's the least flexible. Yeah,
but with all of these things. Even with energy, you
learn how to be more efficient. And it's not so
much that I need more energy, but I do more
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with energy that I have. How do I do more?
Do more with the money that I have, even do
more with the time that I have. That's one of
the things I think about all the time. There's some
very successful, very effective like people ask me all the
this is not me bragging on myself, but those of
you who know me personally know all the things.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That are like, man, how do you do so much? Right?
And I look, I'm like, man, I freaking stink. I
got like I have.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
There's people that I look at like I could do
so much more like I could do. You know, I
do a lot with my days. Part the thing, man,
I could there I could be better about how I
manage every hour of the day. I could be better
about how I manage every fifteen minutes of the day.
And some of those people who are extremely capable. That's
exactly what they do, right. They don't waste five minutes
of the day, you know what I wish I did,
(21:50):
But there's times where I waste five minutes, right, and
those people who are very good. So anyways, the point
that I'm making is that balance is this lack mentality.
But what I trying to push you into, what I
want you to see, is that there is an effectiveness
that comes not so from not so much from what
do I need to have less of? But where do
I need to grow that I can be more, that
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I can do more with what I already have. That's
so good because that's what that's what both really is.
It's linked to effectiveness, right, And you talked about that
effectiveness comes from maturity, and the maturity thought process is
that you develop something else, right, Like we all know
that that as you mature, you know as a human
as a man, you grow more muscle, you develop more body. Here,
like there's all these things that kind of grow and
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become Yeah, again, one of the ones we're gonna talk
about here in a second, right, strength and warmth. Strength
is not a bad thing, right, but when it is
unbridled by warmth, when you let strength grow all on
its own, then it starts to feel bad like I
don't ever need to I don't. I'm never never gonna
look at myself like, man, I'm just too strong. Yeah right,
but I can't have a lack of warmth, right, right.
(22:52):
You can't be too what, you can't love people too much,
but you can be weak, right right, and it makes
your love and effective.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I can be so strong, but if I don't have
warmth to go with it, then my strength is harmful.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
People experience it in that way. So again, it's not
saying like I need to be less of something, it's
where do I need to grow? That I need to
grow in some other areas, and that I'm never trying
to just delete positive quality. Strength is a positive quality.
Warmth is a positive quality. What do you need to
pair it with?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, okay, let's let's just dive in then. So here's
here's the six examples of both. And you already talked
about that first one, and these are similar to principles.
Think about them like forces, because you know, if you
were going to assault on target, you want to be
as effective as possible. You're gonna want ground force you're
gonna want air force. You're gonna want literally everything that
you can psychological cycle. I actually was gonna say psychological,
(23:41):
but you know only one of us has been trained
to war.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It works.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, that is that a reference back to our our
lean challenge anyways. Uh, but yeah, you want as much
force as possible. And so that's the both thought process.
If you're gonna be effective, it's not like, oh, what
do I need to reduce? It's how do I get
as much force as possible to produce these results? And
you talked about strength and warmth, Well what's that effective,
en g It's leadership.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Right, that is leadership.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, it is the leadership if and I take strength
and warmth. So like the love and law, which I,
you know, experience when I read the word of God
and I understand who he is, it's like the first bit.
It's the big both that like shows like man, like
that's who God is. He's both grace and truth. Right,
that's similar to love and law. These are like some
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of the big spiritual ones that like began to give
me this understanding of Okay, this is it's it's not balance,
it's both and strength worre strength and warmth comes. I'm
forgetting the author but comes from a book called Compelling
People right and talks about that's what it takes to
like a lot of like a lot of people think
leadership is management, like it's a title, it's a role.
How do I you know, why why don't people listen
(24:49):
to me? I just need to be a more effective
communicator and people will listen to me. I need to
I need to grow, you know, I need to go
get my MBA in organizational management and then I'll understand
how to structure things properly and I'll be a better leader. No,
what you need is for people to look at you
and see your capacity and understand how much you care
for them, and they'll follow you anywhere. Right now, Once
(25:12):
you are a great leader like you, you should, like
maybe spend some weekends learning about organizational structure and you
can do a lot more with that. Maybe you should,
you know, practice speaking and learn how to be an
effective communicator, learn how to write, and that'll help you
a lot as a leader. But if you if you
get great communication and great organizational structure and you don't
have leadership abilities, you're a manager, right right?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
What what it comes back to the gosh, I use
it all the time. But Eisenhower's definition of leadership so
to get people to do what you want when you
want them to do it and they want to do it.
Why would people Why would anyone want to do what
you want them to do? Because they believe that one
you're capable, and they believe that you actually care about them, right,
And that turns like you, you become unlocked as a
(25:56):
leader when people feel that way about you. You you do.
People need to look up to you, they need to
respect you for you to be a leader, but they
also have to believe in their heart they're like, man,
this guy actually cares about me. He wants what's best
for me. And if you cannot manipulate people, but if
you can influence people and they see you and they
(26:17):
believe that about you, they'll follow you anywhere. And that's
the greatness of that of leadership. It's strength and warmth.
And I'm not trying to like what. I'm never looking
at these like, oh man, I'm just too warm today.
And I also also the same. I'm not thinking like, man,
I was too strong today. More so, what I might
think is, you know, I let my strength get ahead
(26:38):
of my warmth, or I let my warmth get ahead
of my strength. That doesn't happen to me very often,
I believe, But I know that I need both of
these things together. And I actually like I prize warmth
because I know it's like this special ingredient that goes
with the strength that God's given me, and so like
I treasure it and I want to grow in that
because I know it's what makes me toctive leader.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, and that that's been one of my biggest leadership
lessons I've learned from you, is the strength and warmth
because everybody will speak one more naturally. And and I'm
sure people out there like, oh, you're probably warmth. No,
I'm a lot more likely to be the executioner. And
I've had to learn cut you, bro, No, I won't.
And I've honestly I've been God. God's humbled me in
that because I've had situations where I've realized I was
all strength and not warmth.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
And guess what happened when you When you cut people,
they won't follow you, right, and one it doesn't. What
do I want to do?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I want to help people know Jesus if I'm if
I'm the one offending people all the time, and not
because of some offense needs to happen, but but because
I got it wrong. Then I'm never gonna feel good
about that. And that's what's happened. So I've had to
humble myself and go back. So it's a real leadership lesson.
And now you touched on love and logy and and
that the the effectiveness of that is to follow Christ. Right,
is that you need love and law and being Christ
(27:48):
like right that he's that He's both. Yeah, right, Jesus
was strength and warmth, but he knew the law, lived like,
lived it fully, but also was love and mercy to people.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That's that's Christ on the cross before he died, saying, Father,
forgive them, for they know not what they do. He
knew what the penalty of sin was. He knew that
the people that he was around didn't deserve it, didn't
understand what he was doing, and loved them for it anyways,
and I was willing to pay the price for it.
That is truly what Christ's likeness is that you can
(28:20):
be both love and law. If you miss one of
these things, you're not going to be fully effective. Right,
and this is where you know, I frown upon people
who you know, who are just so focused on the love.
It's like, no, you need to actually understand what scripture says.
And on the flip side of that, there's people who
get so focused on the lot, like this is wrong
(28:41):
and that's wrong. It's right. And Paul said it, without
love you have nothing. That love, you have nothing, and
that's there's also this is a different episode, but if
we if we get into it, this is you know,
Paul's saying, without love, you have nothing, but he's saying
that on top of the law, God did.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
God.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
God did what he did in the order that he
did for a reason. God brought the law first to
show you who he is, to show you his strength,
to put the love on top of it. I you know,
you can miss these things in scripture, but God does
exactly what he does. Just like you can look at
what scripture says, you can also see what scripture didn't say.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
And one of the scriptures that I love.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Second Tipathy one seven, for God has not given you
a spirit of fear, but then a spirit of power
and love in a sound mind. Right, love is highly
prioritized in scripture and so you might think that it
would say well and love and power, right, But it's
power and love, and I.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Just think that's I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
God brought the law first, then he brought the love,
and so we need to be both of these things.
It's not just one or the other. And all of
us are going to be naturally one. But your maturity
and your effectiveness comes from you seeing like, man, I'm
not that, and I don't need to be less of
what I am. And this is the transformation part, right,
Like my warmth comes from seeing the effectiveness of Christ
(30:01):
and experiencing the warmth and the love of Christ, from
experiencing the mercy of Christ. When you realize that you
are are wretched and undeserving, that gives you mercy.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
And I look at my own life and I think
about the mistakes and the continual sin I've had in
my own life, like I'm not perfect, and I'm a sinner,
and the way there's ways that I am. There's thoughts
that I have that are messed up and wrong. And
I go and I think, man, I've been given so much,
Like compared to what most people have, I've been given
so much more and I still can't get it right.
(30:32):
You know what that does gives me so much more
mercy for other people.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, that's so well said.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
You said something two episodes back, gee about the point
of our weaknesses to draw us into the strength of God.
And I think that when this is where love and
law is so confounded because the natural mind we want
to go, well, how do I know which one to be?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Because going to I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's like what you just said. The whole point is
that you realize how much you need Jesus. You need
to rely on the Holy Spirit's leading. Because the same
Jesus that came down and knew the law better than
anybody had a woman brought to an adultery and what
he say, he who's without sin cast the first stone
that is in direct violation of what was written. Like
you know, you could go and say scripture, you're wrong,
like the Pharisees of today, Just like the Pharisees of
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back then. We're like, oh, this guy doesn't fall a law,
throw them out. And but yet this is Jesus, this
is God in the flesh, and so like, really sit
there and think about that. If you think you're going
to figure this out on your own man press into God.
That that's if you're not being led by the Holy
Spirit in these things, you will err. And that's that's
one of the things of seeing our weakness, like you
just said, when you really see yourself, you'll realize how desperate.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
You need God.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And that moment in Scripture, it's such a great example
of discipleship, by the way, right because Jesus didn't say, like,
come and follow me and read and I'll test you
on your knowledge of structure. For sure, he said, he said,
come follow me, watch, I'll show you. I'll show you
what like. You know what it says. I know what
it says. Now let me show you what that looks like.
(31:54):
That's really what discipleship is. To have a teacher, not
who can tell you what it says, it can show
you what it means.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, that's so good. All right, gee, let's keep moving.
Next up on the boats is fruitfulness, which we all
want to be fruitful. And that's vision and stewardship, which
I love that thought process.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, these are these are two that you might not
put together. Vision is is seeing the world that you imagine.
Vision is having big dreams. Vision is having some ambition,
right and and you know I see men sometimes that
I wish they.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Had a little bit more ambition. Right, you can't, it's hard.
I can't. I can't give it to you.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right like you you, I think you can pray and
ask for that, the same way that you can pray
and ask God for anything in your life. But God,
God makes us the way that we are. But ambition, man,
like it, that's the hunger. And you talk to people
who've achieved great things like they'll they'll tell you like that,
it's what they look for in others like does he
have the hunger? Does he really want it? Vision is
(32:51):
seeing a big picture. But ambition and vision by itself
can lead you straight into the pit absolute destruction. What
it has to be paired with where it's dangerous on
its own, the same way like unbridled strength is dangerous
unbridled vision. You know that that can be just endless
creativity that's that's overly lofty and not worth anything. Or
(33:13):
it can be hunger that leads into or an ambition
that leads into false character. But when you put with
it stewardship, which stewardship is taking care of the resources
that you have, right, stewardship can I don't hear it
this way, but I think stewardship can sometimes be heard
as like a small word, right, the same way that
people like misinterpret meekness. I think you know, Stuart, what
(33:36):
is a steward? Not the owner, right, not the It's
not kingship, it's stewardship. Stewart is a ward. You're a
caretaker of someone else's things, and so that is a
that is a smaller position. It's the position of a servant.
It's the position of like, Lord, you gave this to me,
it's not mine. I'll take care of it and give
it back to you. And we've got to have some
of that. Of all the things that you have in
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your life, you need to be a great steward of
what's in your hand and the vision. In stewardship, you know,
I could also say that this is fruitfulness, but I
could also say it's purpose because it's very similar to
what we teach on purpose. Yeah, what's in your heart's
in your hand, what's in your hand, and that's again
that's those are the things that lead to your purpose
and vision and stewardship are the things that are going
(34:19):
to lead to fruitfulness. You've got to have a vision
for who God's made you to be, what's really possible.
Get a God sized vision for your life. But also
that God sized vision is going to be way bigger
than where you are today, and you just need to
take really good care of what you have, keep believing,
keep growing. Okay, if I'm not where I'm, if I'm
not where I see if I if I don't like
my life doesn't line up with the vision that I
(34:41):
have for my life, and then I'm talking to myself
right now. If my life doesn't look like the vision
that I have, that means I need to get better.
It means I need to grow. Needs means I need
to be a better steward of what God's already given me.
Continue to develop myself, keep believing for Him, and I'm
in I'm You know, you would think, like I'm I'm
waiting on God. It doesn't work that way, right, Like God,
(35:03):
I'm not waiting for God to catch up to me.
Right for sure, It's a silly thought when you think
about it that way. Right, God's waiting on me to
get caught up to him. It's like I have so
much more for you just need to mature.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You're not ready.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, I think I want to give this because you've
said this numerous times recently, and I know I've had
a few people listeners and people that we know and
people that we don't know that have reached out about this.
I think with that, what vision and stewardship looks like
practically is what you've talked about.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Where each morning you get on your.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Knees and you say to God, if this isn't what
you want, Like if what's in my heart isn't what
you want, then I don't want it. And that's a
powerful place today when you're when you're bearing a great vision.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
That is the that's I'm not afraid. Like I think
ambition is a great thing to hunger, to to believe,
to dream, but I know I have to pair, Like
if I don't put that before the Lord, it'll become
something terrible. Yeah right, But again that's like it's like strength.
I don't need less strong. I don't need to turn
(35:58):
down my strength like oh bad strength, right? Bad bad vision?
Bad Ooh you have that guy has too much ambition? Right, No,
he might have too much ambition and not enough steward
ship might have too much ambition and not enough character.
I would never wish for a man to have less ambition, right,
I would just wish for him to have more character.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Or the opposite could be true. I'm all stewardship, like
I'm too afraid to do anything that might like lose.
It's like, bro, you need some hunger. You need to
want maybe a little bit more than you got. Yeah,
exactly right, very good, all right, man? Next up G
is righteousness, and I love this fearlessness and honor.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's the both. Oh man.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I was having this conversation with a friend the other
This is a this is a narrow, narrow path to
walk this way. I wish more men had fearlessness. And
I'm so so grateful to God for the experience he
gave me of being in the sealed teams around being
to get to be around people who were like me,
who were just semi insane, right and just like very fearless,
(36:56):
like willing to face whatever. It's a it's a great
thing to have, but it's it can be terribly dangerous
all on its own right. That fearlessness turns into pride
very quickly. That fearlessness turns into concededness and seeing how
great you are and no one can stand against me.
And uh, you know when I think about when I
(37:18):
when I like Saul is a great like I want
to be like David. And if you want to be
like David, you need to study Saul, because Saul is
is Saul was supposed to be David, but Saul saald right,
And so if you want to be like David, you
need to study who Saul was. And Saul wasn't afraid, right,
But Saul also like the reason that the kingdom is
(37:39):
taken from him. God says you did not honor me, right.
He didn't say you were afraid that kept the Israelites
out of the Promised Land. But what kept Saul from
the throne is that you did not You did not
honor me, right, And so both of these things are
it can be barriers to our destiny, right God, with
the Israelites you were afraid, But with Saul, he said
you were supposed to be the king, but you didn't
(38:00):
honor me. And so we need to be both fearless.
But also we need to look at the Lord and say, God,
I want your way and not mine. And what I
was saying to Nick earlier is that I feel like
this is the attribute of a man, that you are
just as willing to go to war as you are
to bow like I will bow, I will kneel, and
to be just as willing to do both. And again,
(38:22):
this is one of those things where there's you know,
the same men who are more prone to law, who
are more prone to strength, they're more prone to war.
You have to be just you have to be just
as developed in your warmth. You have to be just
as develop in your care and your stewardship. You have
to be just as developed in your honor and your
willingness to kneel.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Now, I think to you most people are more honorable
than they are fearless. Though, right, so most people need
to develop fearlessness.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I've known both men.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I just have, but you've also I don't think that
that's common. I'm just saying. I mean, so for a
lot of people, they need to turn up their their
fearless dial right. And and yes you should honor, because
I do think honors not really talked about in society
as a whole, except for the military. We've covered that
at length on other episodes. But I would say, like,
where you come in and you've seen a level of fearlessness.
That's why I appreciate about you is that you've seen
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things that I think a lot of people don't even
know exist. Sure, and so when you share some of
these insights, I'm like, man, I love that. And to
be at a place where you really could walk righteously
with no fear but also with absolute honor.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Man, it's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Beause their fearlessness and honor. The people might not this
might not be one that jumps out to people. Yeah,
that's what I was gonna say, because Okay, like strength
and warmth, those those seem opposed right, like love and law. Duh, Okay,
I get that right. Law is the wages of sin
is death. Love is for God so loved the world
that he gave right right, these are these are scriptures
(39:43):
that exhibit love and law, and God is both of
these things. Fearlessness is willing to as when when I
recently had the chance to talk with Robert Gates, former
Secretary of Defense, he was talking about like he told
many stories. One of the he's one of the wisest
people I've ever had the chance to speak with. He
told many stories of what it means to speak truth
(40:04):
to power. Right, that's fearlessness. And he told stories from
his own life. He told stories from World War Two,
you know, his predecessors to have. I mean, this is
a guy who's like learned lessons from the people that
you read about in history books. Very it was very
cool to spend some time with him. He talked about,
you know what fearlessness looks like in a very different
way of speaking truth to power, but at the same time,
(40:25):
being honoring is like David was honoring with Saul. He
could have told Saul, like, you know, God said You're
not the one. God said I'm the one, right, Like
you're a wretched king. The spirit has departed from you. Yeah,
David didn't do that. He could have killed him as well.
He could have killed him multiple times. David didn't do that.
(40:45):
And that's what honor looks like. And so that's you know,
the this is where they seem opposed. Like fearless is
like I'll kill the king, but but honor is like
I'll honor the Saul, I'll honor the wicked king. I'll
let God do it his way.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Ye touch not.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
The Lord's point is what he said, and it's an
incredible thing. We could go on and on about that,
we got too left, Gye, And let's go first to
resilience and humility, which are two of your favorite things.
Specifically resilience, I would say.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, specifically resilience. But you know, out of and with
any of these qualities, you know, I feel like I've
been able to understand the ones that I'm strong in.
But like again, strength, strength becomes meaningless at a certain
point when you have no warmth to go with it.
And I feel like I'm naturally a very resilient person,
(41:33):
but there's a point where it becomes worthless without humility.
And so resilience, let me talk about where they where
they wrestle, where they contrast. The actual definition of resilience
is the ability of something to return to its original form, right, okay,
And so like physically, you know, I like to use
a bouncy ball as an example, right, those little super
(41:54):
bouncy balls that are so fun that like they absorb
all the energy and reflect it all back, because that
like if you look at them under a high speed camera,
like they deform for milliseconds when they hit the ground
and then immediately return to form.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
The opposite is a wad of cookie dough zero resilience.
You throw it on the ground and splat, right it
just it has taken new form and will never return
to its old form, right, okay. And so like what
you want to be as a person is like things
hit you and they just bounce off, right, Like I
took a hit to my identity, shook it off, bounced
right back.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Like.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
That's what you've got to have as an athlete. That's
what you've got to have as a performer, is a
lot of great bounce back ability. That's the greatness of resilience.
Where what resilience can turn into and where resilience becomes
dangerous is where resilience and delusion are real.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Similar.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Delusion is people are telling you like, hey man, like,
I think you should reconsider the way that you do business.
Hey man, Like you might not have all the things
figured out that you think you got figured out. And
a resilient person be like, oh, you guys are just
doubting me, right again, Very similar to delusion. I've talked
about this in other People's podcast. It's one of the
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questions when I talk about resilience, people ask me like,
how is that not delusion? And well, the difference between
resilience and delusion is pride. Right, When resilience is prideful,
it becomes delusion. Delusion is not willing to absorb anything
that tells it it's not who you think you are.
Resilience is this. It's a bounce back quality that comes
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from belief that doesn't come from pride. And so the
way that you balance resilience out is that you have humility,
like you need to be someone. It's like, I know
God made me to be great, but I can also,
as Pops would say it, if to shoe fits wear
it when you tell me I suck and you're someone
I should listen to. I'm going to listen to that,
and I won't let that hurt how I feel about myself,
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but I am going to let it make me change
because there's obviously some things are telling me that I
need to grow in and only humility he can receive
that lesson. When you're prideful, the scariest thing to you
is that you're not great, right, This is it's Isaiah fourteen.
It's Satan declaring his greatness. Why he's got to keep
reminding himself over and over again, because the worst thing
(44:15):
to him is thinking that he might not be the one, right.
And so resilience is this thing that comes from belief,
but you have to have the humility that goes with it.
If you're pure resilience, you are dangerous. If you're all humility,
you're completely unnoticed and not worth very much, right, And
so you need a little.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Bit of both. Would you say that those make you
more effective at endurance?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I would say resilience and humility. Yeah, endurance is exactly
what I put it in because I had to have
resilience to make it through seal training. But humility was
also the quality like if I had been delusional, because
I saw I had those classmates right, they were delusional
up until the point that it broke them. Only by
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humility could I actually learn and not get broken by
the program, right like I believe, But I also had
to change.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, very good all Rgie.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Last one is a doozy that people have struggled with
for a lot of time as Christians, and it's faith
and works right.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I mean James talks about in the Book of James
about You Show Me. We could do a whole podcast
on this one. But I would just hope by.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
This point that maybe we've convinced you that both is
something you haven't thought about before. Yeah, it's not you
and you're not right, and by one or the other.
Without without love, you have nothing. But you need love
based on the law. Without faith, it is impossible to
please God. But also show me your faith, and I'll
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show you my works. Right, the faith becomes the works.
So it's not so much like oh all, if you're
all works and no faith, again, impossible to please God,
but it's your But if you have faith and there's
no fruit in your life, there's no action that is
on top of that, that is a heartless faith. It's
a fake faith. Yeah, and so we have to be both.
(46:05):
So I hope what you would take away from today's
podcast is there are some things that are finite, and
the finite things are about prioritization. But where you have
wrestled with balance in your life, it's not I need
to be less, but it's I need to be more.
I need to be grow because all of what we're
talking about today, not the balance part, but the both part.
Both is what leads to your maturity. Both is what
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leads to your ultimate greatness and you fulfilling that, every
fulfilling everything that God has for you on the earth.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Thank you very much for listening.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
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Speaker 4 (46:46):
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Speaker 1 (46:51):
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Speaker 1 (46:56):
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Speaker 1 (47:00):
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