256. Leadership Mastery: 7 Traits Jesus Modeled For Us to Follow

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
If you think your life is about you, life will
be so hard for you. If you think your life
is about you, You're gonna wonder why having friends is hard.
You're gonna wonder why you don't feel fulfilled. You're gonna
chase happiness for the rest of your life when you
realize God sent you here in a mission the same
way he sent his son, we are also his children.
Here's the mission that God has sent you on. God

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has sent you here to serve that's impossible.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Let me tell you what I believe. What's your weakness.
It's not your technique. Don't think you know you the
Impossible Life Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean you're sitting on a winning lottertect.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
An idea that is fully formed, fully understood, that sticks.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
This is the Impossible Life Podcast because Nick and I
are attempting to live impossible lives. What we know is
that nothing is impossible. So instead of using impossible as
an excuse to not try, we'll use the pursuit of
impossible as an accelerant for greatness. If something's never been
done before, that just means it's unexplored. If they tell

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you it's too hard, it's just waiting to be simplified
impossible as a default label used by uncourageous people unwilling
to take a risk. The real truth is this The
solution to any impossible task starts with this question, if
I had to, what would it take? What would it take?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Welcome to another episode of the Impossible Life podcast. I'm
your cost neck surface, and I'm looking across at a
man whose strategic mind infiltrates everything, including how to roast
a marshmallow. Most men toast marshmallows for smores. He toasts
them for strategy. That's right, friends, Eric Unkleback, a man
who doesn't burn sugar. He refines it.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I wouldn't say it's masculinity one on one, but but
his dad won on one. Okay, to be able to
roast a good marshmallow.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, but now this today's episode is gonna.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Be nobody wants a flame broiled marshmallow.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Hold on, this is gonna be a doozy of an episode.
But as always, as somebody described to me recently.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
You've got to get the outside of the marshmallow like
browned and crystallized like a cream breulet, and then the
inside has to be just like almost straight liquid.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Right now, I was gonna say, that's a great but
most guys saying like, oh, yeah, you should be able
to book. That's dad wanted to want to roast the marshmallow.
Most guys like, yeah, totally. But Garrett has a level
of detail on this. That's like he just gave you
a little bit, but he has a technique for how
far from the flame and all this different stuff of
the right type of fire. That's see, this is what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
You can't just like start up a fire and put
lighter fluid on and start roasting marshmallows five minutes later.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Right, Okay, well do you want to do? Is this
worth giving any bullet points?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Now? I will masterclass to us another time.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, great. This all was born because I took my
family camping and we big win. We borrow yea, it
was a massive win. We borrowed some of Garrett Lindsay's
very extra dravagance marsh marshmallow roasting tools, which were shaped
like knives and sword or like swords basically with some
skewers at the end of roast marshmallows. So I took
a humorous picture of took a humorous picture of my

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wife roasting marshmallows. I said, I will send this to
g and Lindsay sent it to him, knowing full well
what was going to come back. Garrett said a couple
of cool things, like very friendly, and then he was like,
by the way, your marshmallow roasting technique is it's like
very amateur. Because he had to point that out to
my wife, put them allow in the flame. There we go,
So this is my point. It was just a lot
of fun and I was like, that's gonna be an intro.
And now now it's been done. Now gee, uh, we

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will cover that. I feel like you want to go
down this road, but we're gonna keep We're gonna keep going.
Today is what's the working title is seven Traits of
Leadership Mastery, which hint, if you're listening to this, you
lead some area, so you need to listen to this.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Uh. It's like I used Charlie Munger's quote when I
talk about equanimity about he talks about investors. Yeah, and
when I use this on audiences, I go, by the way,
just because you work in whatever, if you're not, you know,
a hedge fund guy, you're an investor, because what does
an investor do? They allocate time and resources and regards.

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You may be like, oh, I'm not a CEO, I'm
not a business owner, I'm not a I just do
this or I just do that. Everyone is a leader
at the very minimum. You lead yourself for some and
it would benefit everyone around you if your leadership would grow.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
By the way, if you're a man and you're married
and you have a family, guess who the leader of
the family is, Well, no, my wife, No, this is you. Okay,
Like just let them know, little hint it's And now
we're going to get into that more. We're going to
show a little bit about where leadership authority comes from.
These seven traits are all unlocked. We're going to give
you the ultimate example. This is a doozy Garrett. I
will say that Garrett and I prepared longer for this

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episode than we've prepared for an episode in a while.
And it's not because we've been mailing it in. There's
just a lot to this. So I'm looking forward to
diving in. G let's get into it. So gee leadership
where we see it more than anywhere. We've talked about
how sorely lacking it is in America and just in
the world at hole. But most people, when you think
of leadership, they either think of the government or at work, right,
Like very few people go like yeah, but that's where

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people think of when you say leadership, or or you'll
be like, oh this sports guy, right, It's never people
never go like, oh, yeah, that's me. I think that's rare.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
How many leaders have you met in the clubhouse?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yep? Well there you go. I don't even want to
go down that road because that's going to take me
down sports tangent. Anyways, But according to there's this company
called DDI and they have this Frontline Leader Project where
in twenty nineteen they went and looked at all the
stress and anxiety that's associated with leadership, like some of
the minor details that impacted it's ripple effects, and they
did like a deep dive study and they found that
fifty seven percent of employees have left a job because

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of a manager.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's the saying of people don't quit jobs, they quit.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Leaders, right, But like, dude, that's a that's a hard
like that. That's fifty seven percent of employees, not like
of people in this sector or of people in the
last five of employees. That means at some point, I'm
guessing everybody out there is thinking like, oh, yeah, this
guy I worked for, I couldn't stand them.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's an important organizational piece that I know most organizations
miss on. Like if you're a manager and somebody on
your team, it's someone has to talk to that person
who's not the manager. Ideally it would be that manager's manager, right,
talking to that person. Can you just, you know, help
me understand why you quit? Did it have anything to

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do with who your leader was?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Right?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
And the answer that would almost always be yes. I
find a lot of times they don't want to know
because if you didn't have the burden of proof, right,
if everybody's saying this terrible.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's really easy to, you know, if that person quit
your company, to be like, oh, well, yeah they weren't
good anyways.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right exactly, Well, you know, they just they just said
it wasn't a culture.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
It's good they quit.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, we didn't want them anyways. Okay. So I
would say that a lot of people can relate to that.
If I said, who's the best leader you've known, and
you're sat out there, maybe some people have some I
hope you have some somebody, but I guarantee. If I
said who's the worst, I bet you that's a lot
easier find because I found this for myself. If I
said who's the worst leader, I had like a list.
If I said who's the best? I sat there and
I was like, like, professionally, I think I've had one.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, leadership is a category right where everyone knows what
bad leadership is. But it's hard if you ask someone,
you know, just ask someone what makes bad? What's bad
leadership look like? They can define that. Yeah, ask people
what good leadership looks like. It's a little more difficult
to define. So it's easy. It's going to be easy
for everyone to remember that like the worst leader they've
ever had.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, for sure. And in a true impossible life fashion,
here's a question. Would the people that follow you want
to leave because of you? Because yeah, that's one it
rubber hits through. Well, I don't leave anybody at work,
you're married, you have kids. Anyways, how much would they
want to follow you if you weren't paying them? Yeah,
I hope it, man, that's even Yeah, would you know
that's a that's a question to go down all right?
So I think we all understand, like the direction we're

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heading as far as looking at leadership. But here's one
of the things, like one of the things that's consistency,
consistent in all leadership. If you have authority, yeah, right,
like you. If you have no authority, you're just a
guy that's barking orders and you're a madman. If you
have authority, then you're a leader, whether you deserve to
be in that place or not. Now, here's a question
where does authority come from? Well, ultimately it comes from God. Right,

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So like you may be going, well, God didn't bestow
the CEO role on me at this, but but we're
like just zoom out. So what has the question here
to look at is if authority comes from God, because
he's the ultimate authority, what authority has he conferred on man?
Like there's times in the Bible where he said, this
is your authority. So we're gonna look at there's four
areas that we've highlighted where God has given authority number

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one and this is kind of an obvious one that
will kind of be like, oh yeah, that's cool. Animals
in creation right, very clear. Genesis one twenty six, God said,
let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,
so that they may rule over the fish in the
sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock,
and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures
that move along the ground. Gee, I feel like you're
a guy who likes to exercise his dominion over the

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animals and the earth. Let it be known, Yes, let
it be known. This is declaire to all of creation.
This has been given to me by God. I have
dominion over thus right. This shows up in the ways
that you refuse to really back down from any animal,
which because you genuinely feel this though, don't you You're like,
God gave me dominion. I'm not going to run away

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from you. Like we talk about fighting bears far more
than we should. I was saying that you mentioned that
mighty man, and I leaned over to Joe Tommy Douse.
They try to challenge that, you know, yeah, they really do.
But I said to Joe Tahas that we probably talk
about this every three weeks, like about like, oh, if
a bear got a hold of you, like, you know, anyways,
so that one's not really hard.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I would rock bear.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I believe you would.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I actually think you probably have some odds strategy in
your head of what you would do, thought about it. Yeah, exactly.
My point now is not the time more than a
few moments. Oh, I know you have but animals in
the earth, right, No one's gonna really. I don't think
anybody out there is going like, oh man, that's controversial,
Like we all get that one. Well, next one, marriage
and family. Okay, I think I see that one of
Ephesians five twenty three. And people will trip over this
because they read all sorts of their own lens into this.

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But the husband is the head of the wife, as
Christ is the head of the church, his body of
which he is the savior. That's Christ being the savior
of the church, not the man the savior of the wife.
But the husband is the head. You are literally you
want to talk about where God's given you authority and dominion,
whether you know it or not. If you're married and
you have a family, you are by God give an
authority to lead that family. If you decide to, I

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don't know, defer or just do nothing and your wife
steps in, you're wrong, man. Maybe she's doing a great
job in your own opinion because you're completely absent.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
But that is a king Ahab, whose wife was Jezebel.
And it said that King Ahab angered God more than
any other king before him. Right, and what did Ahab do?
He just let his wife lead.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Right, Well, yeah, and she was the one who set
up all the bowels so that they wouldn't lose followers
down to going down to Jerusalem. Like it was very
much from a self centered place of like, if we
let them keep going to worship God, they're gonna leave
our Israel. And it's just it's wild, right, But that
was all because he was completely asleep at the wheel. So,
like you need to understand God has given you authority

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in certain areas, and like there's a responsibility that comes
with that. Right, if you have leadership authority and you
just go, oh, I didn't know. That's like ignorance is
not a great defense mechanism, right, it's just not. Next
area is work and this is just two fifteen.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
It says the Lord God took the man and put
him in the garden of Eden to work it and
take care of it. God has given. Like, I think
this is such an overlooked areagy. We talk a lot
about purpose, and people always think about purpose as far
as what they have to do. That very first simple
example of God going, hey, I made this earth, I've
put this guy in charge of it, over it, and
then I've given him very specific work to do. Now

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you go work it. You've got to build, cultivate, and
govern that environment. That is literally like a picture of
what your life is. Your whole life is like your
work to do.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
God's given you a space. Yes, right, And one of
my business entities is called thousand Hill Visions because like
that is some of what I want to govern my
land really well. Yeah says that God owns the cattle
on thousands, like on thousands of hills.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
He owns all of it.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
But to each of us, God has given us a
measure of rule. You have your hill, you have your space,
you have your piece of land, your your farm land
so to speak, making it agricultural like the Bible does.
We all have our peace that God has given us,
and you're supposed to govern over that piece.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, I mean, and this is work. I'm going to
go back to the family home environment because I think
it's a really picture picturesque place for this. But that
understand what we just said about how you're there to
cultivate the environment right, like the same way that Adam
had to cultivate the land and God would make it
rain and then then things would grow. You have a
responsibility in your home with the kids you have, with
the wife. What are you cultivating? Like, what are the

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active things that you do? If I said, go grow
a seed, we all know you have to do some tilling.
You'd have to add some fertilizer, you have to water,
like we all understand that, even if for farmers or
not farmers, But like, how are you intentionally cultivating environments
in your homes that you're growing your kids with the
right mindset, with an understanding of who God is, with
an understanding of their responsibility and as far as God
is sovereign and they're responsible, Like, these are the things

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you should be talking about. And then hey, what's the
environment that in your mindset that you're bringing to work
that you show up and that you do everything's unto
the Lord. It's not like, well you don't know my work,
you can't contri You know, I don't need to know
your work to know that God's given you a responsibility.
When you understand that He's given you dominion in those
areas and he's given you a patch of land to work.
You will look at your entire life differently because now
you realize that it's not just a good thing, like hey,

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I heard these guys, or maybe I can make more money,
or I'd have a little bit more peace in my life.
God has given you a piece of land aka your life,
and said you have authority over it. I'm with you.
What are you going to do? That is a massive responsibility.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
The statement I use all the time to encapsulate my theology,
which is God is sovereign, Man is responsible. Yeah. Sovereign
is actually a title that refers to land ownership. Yeah,
meaning like he's it's actually all his land.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's so good.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
This is this is the UK, right in the UK,
like the crown is the sovereign and actually owns all
of the land, and everyone in the UK their land
actually goes back to a title from the crown, right right,
They're the actual owners of it and you just get
to hang on to it. Yeah right, You're you're the
keeper of it. And this is what it is with God.

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God is sovereign, man is responsible. Everything you have in
your life, you're just hanging on to it. For a
little while, right, and it actually is land is one
of the interesting things like that, and it is one
of the if you won't go along on this, but
if you get into trust law and trying to understand
like how to hand things down to your kids, and
all of that, land is something that cannot be like,

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you cannot bind law in perpetuity to anything, right, right,
let you keep it. You're hanging on to it for
the next Stewart. You cannot ever bind a piece of
property in US law.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
There may be other countries that you can do that,
and I don't think so, But in US law you
cannot bind a property in perpetuity. There's always some sort
of unwinding structure that has to be bound to a
piece of property because eventually it's going to be somebody else's.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Right, man, that's such a great picture for our life.
And then the very last one. I remember we said
animals in creation, marriage and family work, and we're talking
about the larger work, which is your entire life, and
then purpose in creation order really think about this. We
talked about in Genesis two fifteen, how Lord God took
the man and put him in the garden of eating,
to work it and take care of it. And then
it says in sixteen through twenty it says, in the

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Lord God command the man. You are free to eat
from any tree in the garden, but you must not
eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
for when you eat from it, you will certainly die.
So God goes, Okay, here's the work I had to
do for you. Here's the rules. And then he goes, oh,
the Lord God said, it's not good for man to
be alone. I'll make a helper suitable for him. He goes,
I've given him this work. I've get him in the rules. Actually,
I don't think he should be on his own to
do this. So then it says, then it talks about

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he formed out of the ground all the wild animals
and all the birds. He brought the man to see
what he would name them. So God gives him the
ability to name and to give literally the title for
all of his creatures, which is an amazing picture. And
then he realizes that Adam found no suitable helper. And
then of course we know, goes on, he created a
woman right to be the helper. So you have this
creation order where God goes, I've given purpose to man

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and I'm given the woman to help him. If you
don't realize that as far as where your family's going,
where your life is going, it's not like maybe I'll
meet a woman one day and we'll start a business
or we'll figure it out. Then, like you should be
pressing into God as a man, knowing that he has
given a specific work for you to do. And marriage
is not just the sense of like, hey, she's cool,
I think we'll get along. Well, she's pretty hot. It's
like this is your helper that's there to help you

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do the work that God has given you, aka the
purpose for your life. And I think people sail past
this all the time because we have a culture in
a society that's like, well that's not fair. You know,
that's patriarch you know, look, this is a God given order.
You may not like it, but I'll tell you what
it works.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
We might have to do, you know, the Impossible Wife
Part two.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
We should it's been a year since we did that.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Come back around because we both have wives that subscribe
to this and would say it's been the biggest blessing
in their lives.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, and it's not just us gee, I mean we're
not like, no, it's not like we've invented this or
I mean, I think when you have a real understand
of how God works. When he said I'm going to
give you a helper, it wasn't like I'm going to
give you a servant. I'm going to give you something
like it was he couldn't do it on his own team, right,
That's exactly it. And when both like, no one gets
mad on a team when you're like, hey, you play

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your part really well, I'll play my part really well
and we'll both win. Who's gonna get upset? Well, I
don't know if I think your part's better than that's ridiculous.
But that's the world we live.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
In, right. All of tom Brady's receivers love Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, no one was going hey Tom, Hey, Tommy, I
think I should be throwing the ball. I don't know.
I went full New England there. But you know, that's
a great it's a great analogy. But that's that's what
we have because things have gotten twisted in our society
and there's just this this.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
And if Tom Brady didn't have any receivers, receivers, tom
Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's exactly right. And so there's a simple sports analogy.
When you put it like that, I don't think people
find it hard. But as soon as you start saying like, oh,
you're part right, it's not about you play your part.
That is so true. So do you understanding that God's
given us authority a given man authority in those areas
like ak, authority comes with responsibility right as a leader,
the logical conclusion is that if you want to grow
to your next level, you got to grow as a leader, right,

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because think about all those areas we just went through.
There's not one of them that you can say like,
maybe one day God will just do it, you know,
maybe maybe one day he'll just make everything grow and
go okay.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
At the core of this episode, this is about leadership,
and some of those scriptures is really just the beginning
of authority and us showing you in scripture. And we're
going to cover a lot of scripture today. So if
you are one of our note takers or you use
this for your Bible studies or whatever, we've got a
lot of scripture to cover today. But what Nick was
just covering is just the foundational piece of God gives

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authority that and leadership is so important. So if you
want your marriage to get better, if you want your
business to get better, if you're looking for a promotion,
if you'd like to make more money, if you want
to grow in your reputation, if you'd like more respect,
if you want to have a greater impact in your life,
whatever it is that you're saying, like, man, I wish
I could be more. I wish I could do more
in this way. I wish this situation was better. I'll

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quote Pastor Keith. Everything gets better when you get better,
and if your leadership would grow. This is I love
this thought about who Paton was because this is a
thread of what like in warriors through all of history.
It's what it's something that was said about and it's
what they said about Spartans. What they said about Patton was,
if Patten had been here, we would have won this battle.

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It's what they said about the Spartans. They said, Man,
if the Spartans had been here, things would be different.
And this is who leaders are, and this is who
God's called you to be. God's called you to be
a great leader. Thus that when you're there things are
different and what that's going to come from. If you
want to make things different wherever you go, you need
to grow as a leader. That doesn't mean you necessarily.
It's not I need more titles, I need someone to

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see me, I need to get my shot. Those things
come as your leadership grows. Right, But what every single
one of us need for whatever it is that's next
for us, is we need our leadership to grow.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
And I will say, because I think sometimes when we
talk about these things, people are like, oh, but you know,
they always have like an exception or something out there.
What I will say, we're talking about the order of God,
the way that he created things, and as we know,
things are grossly out of order. We live in a
very sinful world, and God's grace. Where sin abounds, God's
grace abounds that much more. Right. So, what I will
say is if you're look at one of those areas

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and you're going and you're feeling like, oh man, just
from what we said, you're like, I've been absolutely missing it.
The good news is there's grace, there's mercy, and that
thank God, it doesn't depend all on us, right, because
that's the really important notes. So I just want to
I want to throw that in there because I think
sometimes people hear what we say and we're strong, and
they think that they're just like, oh well, if I
don't have it that way, then I'm you know, I
forget about it. I've already failed. And it's like no,

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God is good, God is gracious, He's with you.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
God is good all the time.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Hey, thank you for us, Frank. So I want to, like,
like Garrett said, if you want to grow, you have
to grow to your next level. Your leadership will grow
as you do. Right, So we're going to go through
these seven traits now and we want to highlight like
these things will grow.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Right, think about think about leadership like discipline, right, Okay,
it's not like you are disciplined or you aren't disciplined.
It's how disciplined are you?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
If we look at her good, if you if you go,
if you work out every day or you work out
five times a week, you're disciplined. But then I can
I can still look at your life and say, well,
let's see how disciplined you really are?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
It's not either I am or I'm not. Right, it's
not binary. Yeah, And leadership is the same way, right, Like,
if you have a measure of leadership, there's going to
be great fruit in your life and people will see like, oh,
that guy's a leader. Oh, that guy's a good leader.
That guy's a great leader. Right, that guy's an amazing leader. Yeah,
I've never seen a leader like that before. Those are
all types of leaders You want to grow in your leadership.

(21:21):
So and all the things that we're going to cover
here that make this is kind of our like seven
things that make the greatest leader. You also want to
have these things in the fullest measure.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, And just.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like with your discipline, you need you're going to always
be grown it each of these traits that we talk
about here, and they're also going to be in order.
We'll get to that in a second. But each of
these traits, even if you do if you feel like
you have all of them, you need to continue to
grow in them.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, And you'll be pleased to know that the ultimate
example of leadership that we're drawing from for all seven
of these traits is Jesus, Right, And I hope that
that's an encouraging because I think sometimes we go like, oh, Jesus, well,
it's impossible it was easy for him, and we kind
of like, because we know he's one hundred percent God,
one hundred percent man, we automatically put it in like
the never gonna happen for me category in our minds. Honestly,
I think it happens. But except Jesus said you'll do

(22:06):
even greater things exactly exactly, and he came that we
would have the Holy Spirit. Like that's my encourage. That's
why I said, like, if you don't feel like you're
in one of these areas, or if I read some
of those, if we talked about those four years you've
been given dominion, you maybe disagreed or you didn't like something,
or you feel like you were short. The good news is, man,
there's grace, and the ultimate grace is the Spirit of
God in us. And so like when you're growing these things,
if I would not want anyone's takeaway from this episode

(22:28):
or from any episode we do to be like no,
I just got to go strain it out. It's like, no,
God is with you. Like anytime we say don't be afraid,
it's because God's with you, not because like you have
everything all figured out, or because you're perfect, It's because
God is with you, And like g said, God's sovereign,
You're responsible your responsibilities. Do what you know what to do,
which is being faithful with what's in your hand. So
I just want to give people that reminder because I
want it to be an encouragement. So Gee, you said,

(22:50):
we did these in order, and number one was a
little something that we've already talked about and we've talked
about a few times on this podcast. Discipline.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Wow, I don't know how many episodes we've talked about discipline.
It's quite a few.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
It'd be high on the heat.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Each of these seven that we're going to talk about,
we're going to start with talking about how Jesus exhibits
these traits and then we'll press into it a little
bit more. So let's start there with Jesus Mark chapter one,
verse thirty five. Very early in the morning, while it
was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and
went off to a solitary place where he prayed. Jesus

(23:23):
had a very private discipline. And I was just talking
about this yesterday and have mighty men of how you
know there was an eighteen year period with Jesus from
the last time we see him in scripture at twelve
in the temple, and then we don't see him again
until he's thirty. And what was Jesus doing? And all
this time he was he was preparing, just preparing for

(23:43):
his test. And what you see in that, because what
does Jesus look like when we see him again at thirty? Mark?
This is Mark chapter one. Mark's different than some of
the other Like Mark's if I had written a gospel,
would be like Mark one, privy shorter. Still yeah, because
Mark just like he's like, well, this dude, Jesus, all right,
miracles heal. The guy like just starts going off right.

(24:05):
It's not a great storyteller, right right, does not tell
the long version. Mark's like, let me hit you with
these bullet points really quick. So like by by Mark
chapter one, you know, you go look at Matthew, you
look at John. Like Chapter one is like, well, a
long time ago, right in the galaxy far away, Jesus
was born.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
And here's the genealogy. Yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
But Mark chapter one, verse thirty five jumps right in
by verse thirty five in the first chapter, here's here's
an example of Jesus being disciplined, setting himself apart, and
why is he like that at this age. It's because
of what he's been doing for the last couple decades.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, he was the original morning routine. Yeah, like like legitimately,
I say that kind of as a joke, but it's
actually true.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
And then Matthew chapter four, not just verse because it's Matthew.
And again this is similar time period, but Matthew's on
chapter four, Mark's on chapter one.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, Matthew had a few other things, like the birth,
you know, and in there no backstory. There's this guy,
there's this guy he was he had John the Baptist game,
and then the real guy came, Okay, we're off. Yep.
That's how he started. Mark.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I was talking to somebody about this the other day.
I was like and saying, relating to Daniel, because I
talked about Daniel yesterday. How you know Daniel's chapter one.
Daniel's fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old, Daniel chapter six fifty
years later, he's oh man, he's in his sixties. Yeah.
And I was talking to somebody about this the other
day of like if most of us, like if our
life was in scripture, it's five or seven verses. Yeah,

(25:27):
for real, because when you read through Daniel, it was
just like, well he was with King Nebekinezer and then
then it goes on was like and then the next
king and you're just like, oh, okay, cool, it's like
a verse. It's like that was fifty years.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, well they do that, and I think it's in
either Exodus or Deuteronomy, or it might be in numbers
one scripture. There's one verse and thirty three years go
by because they're like and then they started dying and
you're like, wait what and like I had to like
go back and.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
The whole twelve episode HBO series and that one verse.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Right, like we told you what need to know. Now
they're going to die and their kids are going to
take the Promised Land, and so they went.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
It's like, okay, sometimes we miss how much actually happens
in a verse.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
No kidding, man, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
But anyways, Matthew. Chapter four, still talking about discipline. Here,
Jesus fasted for forty days in the wilderness before he
set out on his ministry. This is spiritual preparation before
a public calling. This is discipline. So Jesus, you know,
a lot of people don't look at Jesus and think like,
oh man, he was just David Goggins. But you know what,
Jesus is pretty legit. Oh man, forty days in the desert. Yeah,

(26:29):
complete fast. How many days can you last in the desert?
Total fast? This is you know some people think like
I could do it. You know, you can do a
couple of days. It's reasonable for someone to do three days,
to do seven days. Jesus did forty days, like he
went into full Jedi master mode of my nourishment comes
from the Lord alone, right, like I need no sustenance, right.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
And then was you know, then have the temptation at
the end of it. It's like, let's get you to
your absolute where your flesh is screen the loudest, and
then we're going to find out.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
So what is discipline? Right? So just a couple scripture
examples there. But again, what we're really talking about today,
all these pieces when we want to bring them back
to Christ, but we're talking about how to have great leadership,
Like if you want to be amazing at leadership, if
you want to be amazing in your life. I was
telling Nick this. I'm not saying I got it all
figured out, because I'm still figuring a lot of stuff out.
But if you went and this is part of Pastor

(27:19):
Keith's fingerprint on my life because I grew you know,
pat we started the church when I was ten years old,
and it was you know, Pastor Keith was forty at
the time, and so he's pouring out like everything from
his life at forty years old, and he talked about
leadership all the time, right, and talked about being a
great leader, what it takes to be a leader, and
so like if you asked me at twelve or thirteen
years old, I'd already decided, like I want to be

(27:40):
a Like what do you want to be when you
grew up? I want to be a great leader. I
already knew that's what I wanted and I have thought about,
like my life has been preparation since I was a
young teenager of saying I want to be a great leader.
I know this is one of the most valuable things
that I can do. And so what this leads into
for for all these pieces, discipline such an important piece

(28:01):
of being a great leader. And so what is it.
Discipline is doing what you know to do that It's
it's as simple as that. This is the beginning of leadership.
Pastor Keith taught so wonderfully of the beginning of leadership
is lead yourself. Yeah, you have to be. If you
can lead yourself, then you can begin to lead another man.
Leading yourself is the discipline portion. There's so much that

(28:23):
happens between lead yourself and lead another man because your
discipline allows you to lead another man. But you're not
leading another man by discipline, right, It opens up the opportunity.
But what you learn in leading other people is you
can't just do it by discipline. Yeah, discipline is the
beginning of leadership, and discipline is doing what you know
to do. And for each of these today we're going

(28:44):
to talk about Jesus. We're going to talk about what
it is, and then we're gonna talk about how to
develop it.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, and at the very simplest for how to develop
it would be just do like Garret said, if it's
doing what you know to do, start doing what you say, like, Okay,
what do you know to do? Well I don't know know,
don't start with what you don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
We talked a lot about that in the last step, sure,
like just due.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
To the max what you want to do. If you're
looking for practical tools. You'd behoove me to not bring
up that we've launched basic Discipline Training, which if you
would have heard an ad at the beginning of this
episode already most likely I depend on you may be
listening this years later, or maybe we're not advertising. I
don't know what the future holds, but it'll still be available.
It's an on demand program. It's thirty days of Spirit,
Soul and Body Discipline taught by Garrett. You literally get

(29:22):
a brief, little one to two minute video of him
giving you leadership thinking on discipline every day. Then you
have some scripture to read, then you have a podcast
to listen to free.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
And this is the basics. Yes, just so you know,
I've had like multiple people ask me like, so, is
this like kind of like the beginning of the Cruise Boy.
I'm like, no, no, no, it's not. Yeah, but Nick said,
do the basics, and these are the basics. And if
you can do these basic things, it's a great setup
for you in your life. And so whether you feel
like you have discipline or you're somebody say like dude,
I got no discipline, where do I start? This is

(29:51):
a great course.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, And if you go to our website, The Impossible
Dot Life. It's right there. You can see it in
the menu bar. It's also one of the main sliders
if you're one of these people that actually and enter
the whole website in it's www. Dot be Impossible, Dot
Life Forward slash Discipline.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
And y'all say thank you to Nick for this because
Nick pushed for this to happen. Only for four years
and Nick pushed for this to happen, and this is
just like a gift we want to give you, guys.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, because people you know, iyg because like every man
I've ever coached and every man I've ever I've ever
worked with, I would say probably like nine point eight
out of ten need discipline. And I was like, and
you just can't like to work with somebody on discipline,
so much better just be like, look, go do this.
And that's why we create it. And it really is
like I'm so grateful to see all the people in
it and seeing the stories that are coming out already

(30:35):
because it's like, I know what it'll do for people
to unlock them. And why do I know it Because
I had to do it first. I didn't have a
program like that. I had you and I figured a
lot of stuff out on my own. It took me
a lot longer than this thirty day course, So I
really hope it is a blessing.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Just you know, zoom out on anybody's basic definition of leadership.
Leadership is like bringing other people along. Yeah, Leadership is
being able to tell other people what to do. Leadership
is knowing where to go, like these are you know
you just ask an audience. There is a general definition
of leadership. You can take all of those back to discipline,
because it's like if you're going to tell other people
what to do, but you can't tell yourself what to do,

(31:07):
you're saying you know what other people should do, but
you don't do what you know to do. It all
begins with your discipline is your ability to lead yourself.
Only when you can lead yourself. Well, does anyone want
to hear anything you have to say about leading them?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah? Exactly right. This is why we had you do
the course of not me. You got this seal trident
that kind of helps. Okay. Number two G is servanthood, right,
and like we said, these are in order.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
So yes, servanthood builds on top of discipline, and this
is what we saw again look at Jesus's life, right you.
Servanthood comes after the discipline portion. Matthew, Chapter twenty, verse
twenty eight. The Son of This is powerful words from Jesus.
The son of Man did not come to be served,
but to serve and to give his life as a
ransom for many. This is understanding what greatness is really

(31:55):
about in life. I was saying to Nick, and are
setup for this. This is one of the understanding. Servanhood
is one of the biggest unlocks in your life. You
think like, oh, we're only on number two, Like, oh,
you know, servanthood just the basics. I'm telling you. If
you can get this right, it changes the context of
everything for you in your life. And here's let me

(32:16):
tell you why. If you think your life is at
like Jesus says, right here, hey, it's not about me.
The son of Man did not come to be served,
but to serve and to give his life as a
ransom for many. If you think your life is about you,
life will be so hard for you. If you think
your life is about you, You're gonna wonder why having
friends is hard. You're gonna wonder why you don't feel

(32:36):
fulfilled you're gonna chase happiness for the rest of your life.
When you realize, like God sent you here in a
mission the same way he sent his son. We are
also his children. What I'll never do is save all
of humanity from sin and eternal being away from God.
I can't do that. But God did send me here
for something. I do have a part to play. And

(32:58):
when you realize that's your life, Like, I'm here to serve.
I'm here to help other people. When I was on
a mission in the military, I didn't go to these
places looking for people to cheer for me. I didn't
need anybody's approval, Like literally went to these places where
they're like you can't do that. It's like, well, I
didn't ask you, right, Like, I'm here on a mission.
Here's the mission that God has sent you on. God

(33:20):
has sent you here to serve. So if anybody gets
in your way, it's like, that's fine, I didn't ask you.
I know what I'm here to do. I know what
my calling is. I know why God has put me
on the earth. And what you'll never know if you've
choose to follow God, if you choose to be a servant,
what you'll never know is emptiness. What you'll never know
is loneliness if you decide that your life isn't about you.
And so I was just telling Nick some of that.

(33:41):
For me, it's been part of my unlock. Again, I'm
not saying I got it all figured out, but when
you realize, like my marriage, I'm here to serve my life.
I'm here to serve. Everything I'm doing is about how
can I help other people and how can I advance
the Kingdom of God. You'll never be afraid, you'll never
be sad, you'll never be lonely or at least when
you feel some of these things, and you'll get back
on the horse really really quickly.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah let me. I love hearing you say that, but
I know you probably about as well as anybody. So
I want to give people specific highlights of this just
because I think this is such an important thing. I
won't be labor it, but like, so, here's what this
looks like. For what I've seen in Garrett on a
day to day basis, there'll be lots of times where
things are inconvenient, difficult, and it feels like there's great
reason why. You know, these people are being completely irrational

(34:25):
and unreasonable and they're asking you to do something and
it's so ridiculous and you're not like going, yeah, you
know what, like this is, I'm sorry, this is a
bridge too far. It's always like, well, I'm here to serve,
so why wouldn't I do that. It's the standpoint of
just stepping in, even when you're like in work, or
if we're just traveling somewhere and we've been for work
and or like for the podcast, I should say, when
we talk to people, you never approach it from like

(34:46):
a transaction like well, I'm just here to buy chicken
wings off this person, or no, I'm being serious. Like
when we've gone into restaurants or whenever we've gone, you
always because you're there to serve, You're looking at the
needs of the other person. And I've watched you do
this with people where you get to these really deep conversing.
I think about some of the people we talked to
on the beach or in these various places that we've gone.
It's not just like a oh, you're like a not

(35:06):
you know, an NPC in my game? Well you know,
and if you don't want NPC is it's non playable character,
ak like you're just a background character in my story.
It's like, no, I'm here to serve. So I've watched
you engage with people and it really is from that mindset.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
And it's like, that's all of these By the way,
what we could do multiple episodes on this the stuff
we're talking about today, and we could sit here and
talk about for four hours. I can connect each of
these seven back to purpose, right, and I would connect
servanthood back to purpose. And when I come and serve people,
not because I'm nice, but because I know I've been
sent here on a mission and you've crossed my path

(35:40):
for a reason, and now I'm going to serve you
with this. Oftentimes I'm running into someone that's never felt
purpose in their entire life, right, And they don't know
why it makes them feel the way that it's making
them feel. When I choose to serve them in that moment,
this is the thing, they realize, this thing is not
about the thing like people have been nice to me before.
People have been generous to me before, but you're doing
it for a different reason. What is going on here?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Right? You bring purpose into a moment through service to
people who've never seen it before.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, and I love that. So we said, what is it? Gee?
I mean, very simply, it's serving the needs of others, right,
I mean it sounds kind of obvious. We already said that.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
And just remember that whenever you when there's a need
situation around you, you're like, oh gosh, why are people
so needy? Why why is the situation so terrible? Why
is my work so jacked up? Why' is my relationship
whatever it is? Why is all this stuff so jacked up?
It's a need? That's why you're there.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, good thing, you're there, And so how to develop it?
Look for needs? Right? And I'll tell you a really
simple filter. When you walk into a room, what are
you thinking about? Are you thinking? Are you looking for needs?
Are you looking to serve other people? Or are you
looking for the people that you want to talk to
because they make you feel good or to get what
you want. It's a really simple filter. I started applying
it in my life as I became aware of this,

(36:48):
of like, I'm getting ready to go into a room,
I'm going to be looking for other people. I'm not
going like, oh I hate it. I wonder I wonder
what people are thinking about? Nick? Or I wonder if
this person's going to be there I want to talk
to about this thing. It's no, I'm there. I'm gonna
look for the first need on the servant.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I've heard Pastor Keith call it the leadership question before
of what's needed here? Yeah, it's what you're looking when
you walk into your room. What's needed here?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
So good?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
All right? Ge number three, So we've got disciplines. One
servant ead is two number three.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Courage, And I think, like I explained myself to Nick
when we were putting this together, but I think he
might have been surprised in me choosing to talk about
courage because I actually don't talk about courage very often.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
What I talk about quite often is being fearless correct.
And that's because, like most, fear that people have is ridiculous, right,
fear that people have it's dumb. It is dumb fear
because it's making you dumb because you're focusing on a
reality that hasn't even happened yet, and you're just making
yourself weak and small by what you're doing with fear.
If you've never listened to, if you're a new listener,
or you want to listen to a few episodes, and

(37:47):
you haven't listened to our series on fear yet. It's
there waiting for you. It'll change I won't say it'll
change everything. It'll change a lot of things for you,
for sure. And so I focus so much more about
being on being fearless than I do on courage. But
here's what we're going to talk about courage, Luke, Chapter
twenty two, verse forty two. Jesus said, not my will,

(38:08):
but yours be done. This is obedience in the face
of fear. Okay, Jesus wasn't afraid of Satan. Jesus wasn't
even afraid of death. What Jesus says to the Lord
before this, like he knows the pain that's coming for him,
He says, if there's any other way, if there is
any other way, he knows the purpose. Right, Hey, Jesus

(38:31):
knows I'm here to save people. Is there a different
way that we could do this. He's not afraid that
God's not going to show up for him. He's not
afraid of the enemy. What Jesus does know is that
the path in front of him is incredibly painful. It
is a massive pain in front of him. The weight
of all of the world and all of the world
sin is in front of him. And so where I

(38:53):
would say a lot of fear is dumb and irrational
and it is Go listen to Fear podcast you'll hear
us talk more about that. When you know pain is
in front of you, that is something like that that hurts,
and that is a that is a rational, normal fear.
Courage is what do you do in spite of that. So,
in the like knowing Jesus, Jesus was not in his

(39:16):
lizard brain. You know, Jesus knew what was ahead of him.
Massive pain is in front of me, and it is
courage to face the fear. It is courage to have
obedience in the face of fear. Sometimes this is what
telling the truth is like. You're not You're not afraid
of you know people, so to speak. You're not afraid
of how you're going to make them feel. What you
are afraid of when you're lying is the price that

(39:37):
it's going to cost you to tell the truth. What
it's going to do to your bank account, what it's
going to do to your reputation, whatever, in any of
those things you like, it's not in irrational thought process.
You're having you know, it's like, if I confess to this,
I'm going to jail. If I confess to this, I'm
in I'm in trouble. If I confess to this, I'm
getting fired. I did it, and I know the consequences,
and the consequences are very bad, right, And so it's

(39:59):
just pain that's in front of you, and courage is
the ability to face that fear. It's obedience in the
face of pain. Jesus didn't have a lack of fear
of the Lord. So Jesus is absolutely fearless. But I'm
connecting fear to pain here. Jesus is fearless, still knows
pain is in front of him, and it takes courage
to face that pain, to say, you know what, I'm

(40:19):
going to walk forward into this pain, even though even
though I know how terrible it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, And just in case you're looking for the Fear episodes,
it's episode seventy six. That's when we start the Fear series.
I want to make sure to give that to people
so you can look it up on whatever browser you
look on. So how we define courage was doing what's
right regardless of the cost, and that really is it
next people.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
The analogy that people make on courage is, you know,
you think Lindsay and I are still watching Bandon Brothers
right now, and I love how much she loves that
and has respect for them. And she's read She's read
at this point more World War two books than I have. Really,
she's read a lot of the sport books. She's read,
She's read a lot of stuff in that category. She's

(41:02):
just so fascinated. I think she has so much respect
for the life that these people have lived. The courage
and also the reason she likes it is because she
read some of their stories before she was giving childbirth
and it gave her perspective. It gave her the superpower perspective,
and she said, now, okay, that's bad. What's in front
of me is not bad. That's bad. And so when
you get some of those unlocks like that, you're like,

(41:23):
I actually want more of that, right, That's that's quite helpful.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
One hundred percent of it is so g How do
you develop courage?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah? So what is courage? You think about it, like,
why would selling nick? You know, whether it's stories of
World War two or there's a lot of great stories
of extremely wealthy men on the Titanic. Yeah, who said like,
I won't get in a lifeboat if it means taking
These were like men who were molt like worth tens
fifty million dollars back in what was that nineteen eleven

(41:51):
or something like that. It was early nineteen hundred, I
don't remember nineteen fifteen. It was like nineteen teens. So
people who are worth that much money back then saying
I would rather die. I would rather die than take
a lifeboat from a woman. And these are guys who
are like, oh, I'm worth what year is it, nineteen twelve,
nineteen twelve. I was closer.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
As we always say, it's a competition, everything's co It
was April fifteenth. That's where I got to confessed.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
And these are men, you know, worth, men worth ten
million dollars, worth fifty million dollars. And they could be like, oh,
just this poor servant woman. You know, I deserve to
live more than she does. These men had character and
they said I will not get on this lifeboat. Like
he could have said, like, you know, who's how many
people's lives is she going to impact? He's a man
who could have said I employed thousands of people, tens

(42:39):
of thousands of people. I'm affecting the steel industry of
this country. I'm affecting the agriculture industry of this country.
I need to live, not those people. These men had
such character that they said it is I would rather
die here then make it home from this, could have
forced their way in their life boat, could have made
their way home. And he said, I'd rather die here
than be who I would be on the other side
of that, right. And so here's actually where courage comes from.

(43:00):
Where courage comes from is because ultimately all fear and
pain leads back to life and death. And courage comes
from you understanding what's more important than death. You being
able to say, like I would rather do, I would
rather face death than face this situation. It's knowing what
matters most to you. It's knowing what is true. It's

(43:21):
having a great foundation. And so for Jesus, he's saying,
you know what, this is going to be like the
most painful thing anybody will ever face. But what would
be worse than that to walk away from my father? Yeah,
And so that's where the courage comes from, the conviction
of knowing what is right, knowing what is true, facing
the greatest pain anybody would ever face. But he's saying,
the only thing that could be worse than this is

(43:43):
to disappoint my father. And so that's where courage comes from,
is being grounded in the truth. And if you lack
because what's the opposite of courage. The opposite of courage
is the men who said, like I just have to
save my own life. Yeah, men who are in war
and in battle, the bullets are firing and they're ducking saying,
my life is what's most precious to me, right, That
is the opposite of courage. Courage is to be able

(44:05):
to say, here's what's more important than my own life.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah, that's so good man, And I would say we
did an episode recently on courage versus hype. So I
mean you have to take time to really You talked
about conviction coming from having such a deep knowledge of
the truth, you have to take time to dive into that.
I think that's what so many of us miss is
like we don't actually stop and really consider some of
the things that we say we hold true. And so
it's really important that we actually spend the time wrestling

(44:28):
with those things. But gee, we'll keep moving because I
know we're only three in Let's go to number four,
which is responsibility.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
And these all build on each other. Yeah, discipline builds
into you know, Matt, mastery of self. Be able to
speak to yourself correctly, leads into servanthood. Okay, it's not
just about me. I need to take my discipline and
lift others up. Courage is to do that, like when
you have discipline, when you have servanthood. Now I know
these things are so I can lead myself. I know
what's what matters. I know what my life is about.

(44:55):
Now I'll face obstacles, pain, death, whatever it is for
the sake of my purpose. Again, we connected courage back
to purpose, and now let's talk about responsibility. Responsibility is
being able to bear the weight. It's owning the outcome
of a situation. And John chapter ten, verses eleven, starting
with Jesus again, John chapter ten, verse eleven, I am

(45:16):
the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life
for the sheep. That's a crazy thought process. Yeah, if
you like, if you think about a person's life versus
sheep's life, obviously, like we can get some more sheep.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
No, but Jesus is saying here's what my life is
really about. He took the responsibility, the ownership of This
is my role, This is my job, this is my duty.
I must care for these sheep, and I will fight
lions bears whatever it takes. You know, in this context
for Jesus, spiritual lions, spiritual bears to take responsibility and
to do the job that I've been sent here to do.

(45:55):
Because where what responsibility is is almost a common nation
of servanthood and courage. Servant hoood, Okay, I know I'm
here to serve other people. Now, courage. I know what's
more important than my own life is to do my
duty is to do what's right, which turns into responsibility,
which is responsibility is looking at the situation. I know
what I'm here to do. I'll face whatever I have

(46:18):
to face, even if that means costing me my own life,
even if that means going through terrible pain, because I
know that God is sovereign, man is responsible. I'm responsible.
I'm gonna have to speak for this right. Just like
those men who wouldn't take a lifeboat in the Titanic.
They said, I'd rather die than face my family than
face the men who have honor I will have no

(46:39):
honor after that, right, and that's responsibility. I'm going to
be a man and let these women get on the
lifeboats in front of me. Jesus said, I'm the good shepherd.
The good shepherd lays down his life for his sheep,
does not consider himself as greater than others.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
So good. Now, how so to develop it?

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Then?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Geologically you would grow in servanthood.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
That is how to develop it here, because responsibility is
so important. It's the ability to bear the weight. It's
owning the outcome. Right, And we've talked about this before.
Weak weak men calls problems and don't solve them. A
good man solves his own problems, and a great man
solves problems he didn't cause that's the great man has responsibility.

(47:18):
The great man says, you know what I didn't This
is't my fault. I didn't break this, I didn't mess
this up. But I'm gonna be the one who fixes it.
And that comes from both servanthood and courage. And when
you grow both of those things, you'll grow in responsibility.
Courage by itself or servant hood by itself is not enough.
But when you grow both of them and put them together,
it turns into this man who says, you know what,
there's something wrong here and I didn't break it, but

(47:39):
I'm gonna fix it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I love that. That's such. I want to do the
gun cocking, but I didn't want to interrupt you because
I've heard you say that before. That's is that a
g original? Right? There was a bat. You know, weak
men cause problems and they don't solve them.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
GOODA. Well, it's true we said that here on this podcast.
We've talked about it before.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying the way you
put it concisely is it's just sound bite worthy. That's all.
I'm just realizing that moment. Okay, So that's number four
was responsibility. Number five is strategy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So this we'll get to in a second. And fed
strategy is fascinating to me. It's one of the things
that I love care about a lot. I think strategically.
I enjoy learning from strategic people, and so we'll dive
into this. What's cool is how strategy builds on all
the other things. It might not necessarily connect strategy to responsibility.
Let's come back to Jesus Luke chapter twenty. This is

(48:25):
I won't read all the verses, but verse twenty two
through twenty six is kind of this passage in scripture,
and when Jesus was questioned about paying taxes to Caesar,
he responded, render to Caesar what is Caesar? And to
God what is God's? And so people were trying to
trap him with a question. There's I could give fifteen
references in the New Testament for this where people try

(48:46):
to trap Jesus because they try to test him in
every single way. And this is also a part of
the preparation. You might think like, oh, you know what,
I'm ready because I'm responsible. You have to be ready
for these tests.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Like you think you're tough, We'll see how they said
it in the teams all the time. Better be smart
or hard, right? I always said, like I should let's
be both, right, because when you're not smart, like everything
is hard for you, sure, like you just face pain
after pain after pain. But if you take the first
four here, what if Jesus had just had the first
four No, he also had the ability to navigate these

(49:22):
incredibly difficult situations. My favorite one. I use this reference
on the podcast probably like once every ten or fifteen episodes,
because I think it's such a beautiful passage in scripture
John chapter eight, not all the verses, but just this
story at the beginning of John chapter eight, and this
is the woman who's caught in adultery. The Pharisees come

(49:43):
to Jesus to say, this woman was caught in adultery.
The law says to stone her, what do you say?
They said, what do you say? He didn't speak. He
didn't speak because the answer is that is what the
law says. And this is a great example of how
Jesus fel he zooms out fulfills the greatest what's the mission.

(50:03):
Jesus didn't come here. Jesus didn't come here to give justice. Right,
what was already happening was God is a just God,
and God's justice cannot be mocked. People were already going
to get the wages of sin equals death. Jesus said,
I don't need im didn't come here to bring more
of the same.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Jesus sent here, sent me here to save everybody and
rescue everybody. And I also don't have to trample God's
law in the process. I didn't, as Jesus said, I
didn't come here to abolish the law, but to fulfill it,
to bring so Jesus knows he's going to give his
blood to cover the law. But in this trap that
the Pharisees set for him, Well, the law says to

(50:40):
stone this woman, what do you say? He doesn't say anything,
but he begins. He bends down and writes in the
dirt right, and nobody knows what he was writing. Scripture
doesn't say, a lot of people believe he's probably writing
the sins of all of the Pharisees or something else
that just showed like that made everyone leave. I don't
know what you know. He called out some who his

(51:01):
wife's sleeping around, or said something that everyone's like, I'm
out of here. I want no part of this. And
now after all the accusers are gone, Jesus then speaks
to the woman, go and sin no more. And what
Jesus was showing was, here's what's more important to me
than just fulfilling the law. This is mission focus. Right.

(51:21):
Jesus could have said, well, I honor God by just
fulfilling all of the laws. Like I've used the analogy
on mission focus before. When you do an event, the
mission is not to conduct the itinerary. Right, we brought
you here for a purpose to hear a certain word
or to teach you something. The itinerary should lead to that.
But just doing the itinerary does not mean the mission
is accomplished, right, zoom out? What is the greater mission?

(51:43):
Jesus knew what his greater mission was, and so this
is how it connect strategy to purpose is it's knowing
what is the true purpose and understanding how to serve
that thing. Only when you have a full mastery of
your industry, when you Jesus knew what he was really
here to do and knew the law fully, so knew
how to navigate this situation. Strategy is the ability to

(52:05):
think and adapt under pressure. And so the only way
that he disarmed this situation was by fully knowing the truth.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
And of course then he comes out and says, let
him who's without sin cast the first stone, which was
like that was the mic drop moment where it was like, okay,
well I'm going to and they all back away and
he's left. It's it's an amazing picture, man. So we
talked about what it is, which was the ability to
think and adapt under pressure.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
And again that's This is leadership mastery, right right. You
can be a good leader without any as Bush would say, strategicy.
Yeah right, you can be a good leader without any
strategic thought. But if you want to be a great leader,
and this is why this is number five, you've got
to build into this. You need to be able to
see situations coming before they get to you, and also

(52:50):
be able to think, be able to think your way
out of them. Don't just like take everything as a
responsibility burden. It's like, oh, well I'll take that, I'll
take this. I'll just be the one who fixes everything.
Strategy begins to be able to see problems before they happen.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, yeah, for real, man. I mean when you're looking
at seven traits that like the ultimate leader could teach you,
like you wouldn't really put strategy, but when you start
to think about all the jams he got into. And
I said to you when we were preparing for this,
I said, gee, would you swap strategy for wisdom? And
when we talked about how to develop it, you actually
said that that's where wisdom kind of plays into.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Wisdom is a part of it. So this is where
we because wisdom, like just having wisdom is not strategic
because let's here's the pieces, right, here's how you develop it.
Wisdom means being strategic is wisdom, but it's also responsibility, right,
and it's equanimity as well, This evenness of mind and

(53:41):
which comes from the courage piece. Right. Equanimity is calmness
or evenness of mind means you don't panic when you're
getting shot at. Let's take that out of the equation
and give a guy wisdom, but he panics all the time.
Would you consider this strategic? No, you're emotionally erratic and
you respond. You respond to the situation. You have no
forethought in the situation, and you can't think your way
out of it because you have succumbed to the pressure. Yeah,

(54:03):
and so strategy or strategic thinking builds on responsibility, it
builds on courage. And what we're adding, yes, you can
obviously connect strategic thinking to wisdom, but that's what we're
adding in number five to the base that comes before it.
Just having wisdom does not make you strategic. Yeah, so good,
So I hope you capture that.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
What Garrett's saying is that because of these things that
we've put before, you add some equanimity and wisdom, and
that's when strategy grows.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And here's what strategic think. If you're trying to like
what is strategic thinking. Strategic thinking is having a like
with responsibility, with equanimity, with wisdom, you have an understanding
of the situation. You have an understanding of the amount
of time that you have. When you have equanimity, you
can manage the clock so much better because you're not afraid.
But with all of these things, it doesn't mean you're

(54:51):
like perfect and you always know the answers to everything,
But you wisdom. I love this pastor Keith is a
great definition for wisdom, knowing the difference between best and good.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Right, And so sometimes there's not there's no way to
score one hundred on the test. There's sometimes there's just
not a way. But when you have a great wisdom,
for me is an understanding of principles. It's similar to math.
For me is like God made a way that things work.
And so like every math equation, if you don't know
the answer, that doesn't mean there's not an answer, right,
there is an answer. It means you just don't know

(55:21):
how to calculate it. Right. When you begin to like principles,
is algebra to me, and I liked algebra locks. It's like,
you just have to learn how to solve. If you
learn how to solve, you can solve any equation. Principles wisdom.
It's the ability to solve these equations. And sometimes there's
not a perfect answer. But when you have strategic thinking,
you don't get one hundred on every single test, but
you don't fail very many tests because in every situation,

(55:42):
like Jesus couldn't answer the question, they said, what do
you say? He couldn't answer the question, but somehow he
still made it through the test.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Right, very good. The way you put it was that
you said, strategic isn't you get one hundred on every test?
It means you never fail a test. Yeah, And I
thought that was really really well said. All right, let's
keep moving for time sake. G Number six one of
my favorite things to hear you talk about, and I'm
going to say that we're gonna have to somewhat curve it.
We've covered it in whole episodes.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
But it's vision, right, absolutely, So a lot of people
might think like vision would be the last one here.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Vision is a special thing and you've got to get
through some of these first pieces to get to vision.
But again let's start with Jesus Matthew, Chapter sixteen, verse eighteen.
On this rock, I will build my church, and the
gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. Vision is
seeing what could be. Vision is the world you wish
to create. Vision is having a mind for the future.

(56:34):
Give Gwen's definition. Gwen's awesome definition of vision. It's seeing
the mind of God in the presence of God. Yeah,
such a beautiful definition. But it's the world you wish
to create. And Jesus cast it right here on this rock.
I will build my church, and the gates of Hell
shall not prevail against it. He saw the global church
before it ever existed, and he was just talking to
a few men. He's just talking to a handful of dudes,

(56:57):
and he saw what could be, and so out of that,
he's just talking to a lot of people. They don't
have that level of courage, they don't have that much wisdom,
they don't have that level of responsibility that would force
them to see a feman and say, well, we'll change
the world by the handful of us.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Right. When you have those things, it enables you to
have vision and here's where a lot of people get stuck.
So it can't go super long on this, but talk
to a lot of folks about vision and like I
just I don't know, I don't I don't have vision yet,
it's not there for me. Vision truly is revelation from God.
Right it is God has given you a picture of
something that didn't exist before. That's not you like that?

(57:37):
That that is revelation from God. But when we the
way that vision connects back to purpose is that God
has a purpose for all of us. And if you've
been listening to this podcast for a while, you know
how we've taught purpose. We simplify purpose into these two things. Yes,
what's in your hand and what's in your heart? Vision
comes from the heart peace, and where people struggling what's

(57:59):
in your and what's in your heart? I always tell
people to work on what they can work on. And
if you don't have a lot of dream, if you
don't have a lot of vision in your heart for something,
then let's focus on your stewardship. Right that what's in
your hand, portion develop yourself, be as disciplined as you can,
grow in every way that you can. At some point,
David had a vision to be king. I don't know

(58:21):
if it was before Samuel spoke to him or not.
But then Samuel spoke to him, and because David had
such a heart for the Lord, now he began to
see it. Yeah, I don't know when right David could
have doesn't say that he did that, as far as
I know, I've not read anything that says that David
had vision for being a king before Samuel anointed him.
But I know that David had a mind to be great. Right,

(58:43):
he could have just been the lowest son, but he
developed his skill. He had a heart for the Lord,
and so by using what was in his hand, it
prepared him for vision. Vision comes in different ways. You
can get a prophet of the Lord that comes and
speaks to you. And I can tell you even for
me in my life, there's a prophet who's over me
when I was eleven or twelve years old that has

(59:03):
had a massive impact on the trajectory of my life.
There's maybe God's going to speak to you, maybe somebody
is going to give you a word, or maybe, like Joseph,
God just puts a dream in your heart. Right, It
doesn't say that God appeared to Joseph in a dream.
It just says Joseph had a dream. But vision is
seeing what others can't, and it builds on all these
other things that have come before it. And so when

(59:24):
you get these right, then you put yourself in a
place to receive a revelation from God. God wasn't when
God wanted to annoy a king, he annoyed a young
man who is responsible, who is obedient, who was trustworthy,
who had courage, who had a mind to serve. David
gets anointed king. And then what happens after that? His
dad goes, well, go feed your brothers.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Sheep's not going to feed themselves again.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
And then he says, go feed all your older brothers. Yeah, right,
David was a great David is the model of servant leadership.
Really right, So all of these things that came before
prepared David for a moment to receive a revelation.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, and just I was looking this up while you
were talking. We did Vision in episode forty three, which
feels like a lifetime wow, over two hundred episodes ago,
we covered it. We also we also talked about Vision
episode one thirty three, two oh three. We had all
sorts of things. So we talked about a lot, but
we focus specifically on just vision in episode forty three.
If you want to go check it out. Now you
cover this, but I just want to break it down

(01:00:18):
real quick before we move on to seven. Like you said,
what is it is to see what could be? It's
the world you wish to create. How to develop it,
Garrett talked about right there. But just in case you
missed it, you said this in the beginning when we
were prepping, and I was like, man, that's so good.
You said, vision is a form of revelation. Ak if
you have to be submitted to God and growing in
a relationship with him. Because this is tied to your heart.
So as you as you were faithful with what you

(01:00:39):
have in your hand, as you press it and you
truly submit your life to God, that's where this revelation,
like you talked about, maybe it'll be in the form
of a prophet, maybe it'll be something that can kind
of look back and go, Okay, I see it now,
But it's like it comes from a place of submission.
So if you're looking for how to develop it, that's
where it start.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Book all just the next time you read through the Bible.
When when you hear God give a word, when you
see revelation, when you hear a prophetic word in the Bible,
just look for it. You'll see it. Look what happened
right before that or nearly before that, is there's a
submission process.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, so good man. Anyways, I feel
like we could just launch into an episode of submission,
but we're pushing on here. So number seven g very
last one probably not what anybody sees coming.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Command this is this is the end of leadership, and
this is my favorite definition of leadership. Well, actually we'll
go to Jesus first and I'll come back to this,
right Matthew, Chapter nine, verse nine, I love this follow me,
and Matthew got up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And followed him. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
A lot of people say that and nobody moves right, right,
But Jesus looked at Matthew square in the eyaisaid follow me, yeah,
and so he went yeah, he got up and followed him.
Jesus's call was powerful. Jesus call was influenced. That is
the command ability, right, That's what like, this is the
end of leadership. A lot of people think like, oh,

(01:01:57):
I'm the leader now I can tell people what to do. Nope,
this is the end of leadership. You get all these
other things, right, then you begin to develop command where
you can do what Jesus did. Jesus had followed me,
Matthew got up and moved. Yeah, that's great leadership. A
lot of people are leaders, they don't have command yet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, little nugget for people. By the way, So back
in those times, it was very common for rabbis to
say follow me and take on disciples.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
But what's so interesting is that, like, obviously, you know,
Jesus wasn't known as a rabbi, right, and so it's like,
obviously something in the way that he was living. John
the Baptist had talked about him, was he was showing
himself to have that sort of authority. To the point
that you made of that when you say follow me.
They it wasn't like they're like, hey, this guy said
this and it was crazy, but I just had this feeling. No, No,
they knew when he said follow me. They knew what

(01:02:42):
he was saying because it was in Hebrew culture. It
was just the fact that it was like, Okay, we're
gonna learn from this teacher, this rabbi that was a
common thing. But like we said, Jesus wasn't didn't have
the rabbi title, although some people did call him rabbi
later on based on the way he carried himself. But
it's I think it's just a fascinating little like tidbit
into that story.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And the reason they called him teach is because mark one,
verse twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
He taught as one who had authority, not as the scribes.
When when Jesus spoke, it carried.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Weight, right, Yeah, life, his life backed up like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
You and you were talking about that in our prep. Yeah,
the difference between some of the scribes and some of
the yea.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah, So I've been I'd like to dive into scripture.
I'll just say if you ever get the chance to
get your hands on the book or if you look
it up in chat GBT, there's a book called The
Life in Times of Jesus the Messiah by Alfred Edersheim.
It was written, I believe in eighteen eighty three originally,
so it's a pretty old book. It's not got the
v's and thows. But what he was is he was
He was a Jew who became a Christian and basically
looked at Jesus's life and wrote a deep expository of

(01:03:41):
the cultural norms of the time when Jesus was walking.
And it brings scripture to life in such an incredible way.
And so I've been just as I'm reading through the
Gospels right now, I'm like going and saying, like, oh,
what did Edersheim say about this? To help me get
more knowledge on it? And this this verse alone, I
didn't realize this. But how how like he talks about
you you go against the rules of God, for you

(01:04:03):
break the rules of God for the traditions of men.
When he talks about how you say whatever I give
in to my parents, I can't remember the term he used,
but he says it like it's of nothing, it's all
to God. He's saying that you're disharming your parents. That's
what Jesus says later on. The reason that he said
that is because at the time, these scribes and these Pharisees,
when they would teach, they would read something from the Torah,
and then they would say, and this rabbi said this,

(01:04:23):
and then this rabbi said that, and then this, and
they would use all these other rabbis. It was almost
like the law of precedent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
They had the genealogy of the word, and that was
all they like. They literally they had their bibliography exactly.
And when you don't have authority, when you don't fully
understand the truth, that's all you can do. And I'm
not knocking science for their bibliographies. But when you have
true power and true revelation, you have something that goes
beyond a bibliography.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, you have demonstration, right, Yeah, and they would and
so they so these guys would come in and say
all that, and that was like became you know, I
imagine what that would be like. It'd like, Oh, if
I haven't trained in the right way, I can't actually
understand the scriptures the way these guys do. So created
like this elitist thought process.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
They well, what's obvious in that time in scripture is
that they didn't really know what it meant. They just
knew like they thought authority came from I'm the seventh
son of you know, seventh generation of teachers, and that
means I'm special.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
What they none of them actually knew was the true power.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Of the word. Right. And so then the actual word
himself steps in and not only brings instead of saying
like this, Rabbi said, but actually demonstrates it with power
and authority and then also gives them stories and examples
that they can understand. Oh, and he talked to everybody.
He wasn't just talking to these elite people that could understand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
With the strategic When they tried to throw the law
at him, he knew when to juke, he knew how
to sidestep it. And having the standing in the full
power and authority, he had the ability to command.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's so amazing. And so what
so what is command? We'll wrap up here. So what
is command? Command is the ability to inspire belief in
those around you. Yeah, and here's here's the quote on it.
One of my favorite quotes on leadership from the great
Commander Eisenhower Boom. Eisenhower said, leadership is getting people to
do what you want when you want them to do it.

(01:06:10):
And the big ann there and they want to do it,
And how do you get You can't make people do anything,
but how do you get them to want to do something?
I've oversimplified it before into strength and warmth. When people
see your ability and they know that you care about them,
they'll follow you anywhere. But really, that ability to get

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people to want to do something comes from everything in
one through six.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Here. When you've done all of these things and you
get these things right, that's when people look you like
that dude knows that dude cares about me. That dude's
not about himself. He's super capable. He's on some sort
of like special mission from God, and like nobody can
hurt him. Yeah, they throw stuff at him and it
doesn't hit him. I'll follow that dude.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Anywhere, right man? How many people would you would love
to have a leader like that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Yeah? You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
And so what we're saying is, go be that guy.
Go be the leader, take Jesus' lead, follow what he said,
know him more, know these traits and grow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Thank you very much for listening. Guys, Remember to share,
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Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
We appreciate it all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
If you want to get in touch, you can follow
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on there. You can also email at Impossible Life Podcasts
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Carrot's personal or business coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
That's the way to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Thank you again for listening. Go out there and think
better and live the impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
See you again soon.

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