260. Awakening Drive: How to Develop Ambition in Yourself and Others

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And the reason that people will reject a belief is
because sometimes you get shown a belief that reveals to
you that you've been living wrongly. Sometimes you get shown
a belief that reveals to you that you're gonna have
to change and there's pain coming for you. You got
to get to a place in your life where you're
not ruled by fear and pain. If you're ruled by
fear and pain, you're going to have a hard time

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have an ambition for anything. Because when you're ruled by
fear and pain, what's going to guide your beliefs is
what helps me be comfortable and not have to face
the boogeyman that's impossible.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Let me tell you what I believe. What's your weakness
is not your technique. Don't think you know you the
Impossible Life Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I mean you're sitting on a winning lottery.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Ticket, an idea that is fully formed, fully understood, that sticks.
This is the Impossible Life Podcast because Nick and I
are attempting to live impossible lives. What we know is
that nothing is impossible. So instead of using impossible as
an excuse to not try, we'll use the pursuit of

(01:08):
impossible as an accelerant for greatness. If something's never been
done before, that just means it's unexplored. If they tell
you it's too hard, it's just waiting to be simplified.
Impossible as a default label used by uncourageous people unwilling
to take a risk.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
The real truth is this.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
The solution to any impossible task starts with this question,
if I had to what would it take?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
What would it take?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Welcome to another episode of the Impossible Life Podcast. I'm
your co host Nick Surface, and I'm looking across as
a man who wears size thirty four pants and whose
shoe size is ninja. That's right, friends, Garrett Uncle back
a man who doesn't walk, he glides. This is true,
It's true. Feet Yeah, can you explain to people what

(02:02):
ninja feed is very quickly? Just because I feel like
these intros. You know who's the greatest author of your
interests is your wife? You guys feed off of each other,
your well because your wife will send things to our
group chat and I'm just like, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, we were so at a cool opportunity. This last
week I was in West Palm Beach speaking to a
group of Christian MLB players, which was a fun audience.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I was, dude, this is part, by the way, this
is like part of my dream, Like I hope that
one day you get to start coaching professional athletes that
have elite performance mindsets and eventually we end up at
Manchester United. I've thought about this before, like.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
That, Okay, great, look now I know where you're taking us,
got it?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, anyways, this is like Nick's selfish dream, not where
I actually want us to.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Anyways, I took Lindsay with me because you're staying a
really nice place, and we were out walking on the beach,
you know, just having you know, typical couple walking on
the beach, really nice place, walk on the beach, walk
on the beach, and she goes, gosh, like walking on
the sand is like hard. I can't believe you guys
used to run on this all the time. And I said, well,
running on it isn't that hard, Like there's a right

(03:06):
way to run on the beach. And I was I
was like, you see how your foot like your feet
cave into the sand while you're walking. I said, it
doesn't have to be that way. I said, you can
like if you run, when you run, you learn how
to run on the beach. It's a different running form,
like you kind of do like for people who run
all the time, you kind of run away, like you're
driving your hips forward, right, You're pushing your hips instead

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of like really lean over at an angle, like if
you're trying to sprint really hard, where you drive your
feet into the ground instead of like forcing your toes
into the ground. Think about pulling with your mid soul
and it's like really short, quick cadence with your feet,
so you don't your feet, don't spend a lot of
time on the ground, and you don't send a lot
of force through your feet. You kind of just don't
accelerate too hard, build up momentum, and then just like

(03:51):
drive and pull with your hips. And I was like
see look, I'll show you. And I was like you
run and like her, you know, her heels driving in
like there's a giant yeah, you know, like where the
giant divot, and like all you can see is just
like a tiny little you know, it looks like my
foot touched the sand, but it doesn't look like much else, right,
And I've got her by about one hundred pounds.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I thought it was hilarious because then Lendsay thought it
was like hilarious. I'm like, look, you just learned how
to run on the sand. It's not like some special
thing you just I know. But see, I think this
is where it's out of necessity because if you try
to run on if you try to run a four
mile on the beach the way that you normally run,
good luck. But this is one of those little interesting insights,
like you know, a lot of random stuff that people

(04:34):
would not think, and it makes sense when you explain why.
As as they said and as they called it in
the Navy, got a lot of tools in.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
The tool bag there you go. Yeah, and like a
lot of them you would not even know existed, let
alone would expect them to be in there, and that.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
You don't know, I got a tool until there's a
need for it, right, And I'll say, oh, I got
a tool for that.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, And that is so true. Man. I remember one
time I just like casually joked that, like, oh, I
bet you can pick locks on a handcuffs one. You're like,
I can. I was like, well, of course you can.
There's all kinds of skills.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I go. I just haven't had a reason to pull
them out of the toolbag.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
So not to listeners. If you ever kidnap Garrett, don't
put them a handcuff because he'll be out and that'll
be bad for you. Anyways, today's or.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Zip ties just generally you should not kidnap me.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah that's really You can get out zip ties too.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh yeah, it's easier.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Okay, this is like okay, anyways, I'm gonna stay focused here.
Today's episode is I see. This is what I mean though, Like,
because Rieen was talking, She's like, I can't believe you
know that I'd do that, I said, babe, this is
like what's so funny to me is all the randomness
of because sometimes it's seals stuff, which like that makes sense,
Like I can kind of understand why you know how.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
To Here's some of my other philosophy on tools in
the toolbag. Okay, some people with the tools and their
toolbag like, oh, I haven't used this in six months,
throw that out right. I've collected tools since I was
a little boy, and there are some tools that I
like taught myself when I was nine still got them.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, dude, being growing in capability is a really addictive thing.
I'm doing. I've done a lot of fun stuff with
my family just this month that were things that I
didn't know how to do a few years ago, and
it is a very good I'll just say that about tool.
I didn't plan on making any serious point, but like,
you should want to be useful. You've said that for
a long time, and I totally get that thought process. Now,

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today's question in today's episode, he's like, we're answering a question.
I feel like a lot of people have wrestled with
psychologists wrestle with this all the time. I think people
who study human behavior, just the average person will sit
there and go like, can you develop hunger or ambition?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Like shout out, shout out to my friend Doug Elk's
original giant killer, right, Doug's the reason giant killers ever existed.
I met Doug just a few years ago at Mighty Men,
and he came up to me on his first time there.
He's not even doesn't even live in the area, but
he came to visit and he came up to me
in his first time. He's like, Hey, I think you're

(06:44):
supposed to mentor me. Wow, And I've heard that before
and I don't have the availability to mentor everybody. But
I just felt this, like in my spirit. I was like,
I'm not saying yes, but I don't feel like I
can say no to this person. And I said to Doug,
I said, look, I'm not telling you yes, but give
me your phone number. Talk interesting and and that you know,

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Doug was brand new in the Lord at that point. Yeah,
brand new in his faith and it was just a
couple of years ago. Well, I won't tell the whole story,
so will take a long time, but fast forward. Doug
is a great evangelist for the Lord. It's all he does.
I posted him on my Instagram story the other day
because we were together and like I was taking him
out to a nice dinner before I flew home, and

(07:25):
he just carries his Bible into the restaurant and says, Doug,
what are you doing.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
He's like, Oh, I take this with me everywhere. That's awesome.
Doug is a.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
True evangelist for the Lord. I mean all he does
is like this is it's his full time job. All
he does is go speak at schools, find like college campuses.
They just did this big gathering at a frat house,
had a couple hundred guys there like they did. That's
all he does, and he's just trying to share the
gospel with me. Awesome. So I wanted to give a
shout out to Doug and also say if anybody wants

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to support his ministry I do, you can go to
his website aim Missions ammissions dot com. Yeah, and I
brought up Doug because he's the one who asked me
this question. He's like, well, how do you help somebody
develop hunger? And his ministry am Missions AIM it stands
for AIM stands for ambition in mind right, and Doug
is a very like spiritually ambitious person, like he just

(08:14):
wants to get everyone saved.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, man, I love praise God for that sort of ambition.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think though people have so like that is a
wonderful ambition that Doug has. People ask this question in
lots of different categories. If you're a parent, you're like,
how do I develop my kids to have work ethic
or hunger in sports? Which obviously I'm sports guy. In
this podcast, you've made very clear this is like the
missing ingredient for a lot of people, Like man, this
guy has all the tools, but he never actually makes

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good of it because there was some sort of drive.
They have the saying in soccer that says poverty makes players,
and so like, by that definition, it's like, well, all
the richest countries are never going to produce these players
unless these players come from poor parts of the country, right,
And that's actually not true, because there have been some
successful players from well off places, but by and large,
the majority of they are the data to the people

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who are coming from nothing exactly, Because like, you can
either be really good at soccer or you can go
live in poverty your whole life and pribe die. And
it doesn't mean that, you know, coming from poverty to
wealth is the only thing that will develop greatness in you.
But what it does mean is it's the most common one. Right,
it's the easiest for people to understand. Yeah, Right, if
you've starved before, if you've slept on a dirt floor,

(09:23):
if you've gone years of your life without a pair
of tinn Is shoes, you have a little bit different
perspective on life. But it doesn't mean that chasing wealth
is the only powerful ambition. Yeah, And we're going to
get into that. We're going to share a little bit
about our own stories about where we developed ambition. Where
we're going to this, We're going to break down ambition.
We're going to give you the ingredients for ambition and
give you some very practicals for how to develop this
in yourself and others. That sounds lofty, g.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think it's one of the hardest things, yeah, to
give people. This is what Doug and I were talking
about in the car, right. I think it's one of
the hardest things to give people, and it's something I
really am trying to give people all the time. And
Doug said, how do you do it? I said, well,
it's honestly all the stuff we talk about on the podcast.
I'm trying to change people's life and just give them
all the little nuggets and the pieces that eventually they'll
come to a place where it's one of the things

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we talk about here all the time is that God
is a great plan for your life. And if you
understand that great that that God is a great plan,
you may not know what it is, but you'll chase
after it. And what we're trying to do all the
time is give people mindset, give people tools, give people
the opportunity like hey man, there's more for you, Like
don't don't waste your life. Go get everything that God
has for you. That's our definition of greatness, right to get.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
All of it.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And so that's what I spend And part of the
reason he asked that question is because it's what I
talked about at the event that we were at together.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
And so that's that was my answer to him.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I said, Hey, we spend all our time talking about
on the podcast, and I was like, but you know what, Doug,
that's a great question. I'm going to answer that question
in a more specific manner on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well here you are.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Thanks Doug.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Thanks Doug, and for real, if you guys have a
heart to like, Doug is a like he calls himself
an evangelist. I said, Doug, you're actually a missionary to
the United States, because that's what he's doing. Like, you know,
the typical EVANGELI goes and like speaks at church, Like
you're a traveling speaker for churches. It's not what Doug does, right,
Doug is like doing missionary work in the United States,

(11:07):
going to schools, going to college campuses, just gathering people
wherever you can and sharing the gospel. Yeah, so I
would if you guys have a heart to support that
go to aimmissions dot com support Doug.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, I love that. I will find the link and
put it in the show notes because you always like
to give me homework because I do anyway, I appreciate that. Okay,
so we're going into this, so let's I feel like
we're there, Like, let's just dive in because the very
first thing is we're going to do is you have
to define ambition. And I hope you, guys, you'll realize
if you listen to this podcast, and I know we're
getting a lot of new listeners, and what I love
is a lot of them are like I went back
to episode one. We hear that all the time.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Never I like that. I don't know if Nick likes that.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I love it, dude, No, I love it, man, because
you know what, Man, I've had people. People will make
the comments like, wow, you've changed a lot, and I say, yes,
I have, and I could be sad and upset about it.
But what I said from day one is I hope
if there's anything that you see as far as in
transformation to me, I hope it encourages you because, as
I said, from the reason I want to start this
podcast with you, in the part I've always felt I
had to play was people will look at you and

(12:02):
put you on the Navy seal pedestal, which for most
people is a bridge too far. But if they can
look at me and go like, well, if that guy
could do it, then I'm fine with that, don't. I
don't have like a you know, I don't know a
moniker or anything other than to be like, I want
you to follow Jesus, so like, hopefully you're encouraged by that.
But so the reason we define things all the time,
and you'll notice that term is because you and I
can be talking about the same thing but mean very

(12:24):
different things based on how we define the terms. So
it's always important to make sure, okay, we've defined this
the same way.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Just like playing sports. Yeah, you've got to define like
the rules and the regulations right for language and mindset,
which is what this podcast is like. Words are some
of the most powerful thing that you can have in
your life. It's how God shapes things. It's how God
put the world into the motion is through words. It's
important that you define the terms. Yeah, man, And that's
a big one.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
When you hear that God shape the world with words,
it puts a different level of weight on them. So
Garrett's definition of ambition was a hunger or longing for greatness,
which we start off just with kind of like, okay,
let's kind of define how we would put this around.
Then of course went to our man No. Webster's eighteen
twenty eight Dictionary, which is a great book. I'd encourage everybody. Yes,
it's available online, but you never know when it's not
going to be available online.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
We actually call it the Good Book, which some people
call the Good Book the Bible. That's the great, great book.
The Great Book is the Bible. We call no Webster's
eighteen twenty eight Dictionary the Good Book.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, which is a one hundred percent actor. We'll be
sat in. I'm like, let's check the Good Book. I'm like,
let's check the Great Book, and we know what we mean.
More insights into how we plan this anyways. So Webster
put it as this was ambition was it was desirous
of power, honor, or office. It was eager to swell
or rise higher. So we're like, okay, well, what's ambitious
or no, what's what's desire. Desire was an emotion or

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excitement of the mind directed towards the attainment of something,
A passion excited by the love of an object, a
wish to possess some source.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
And I wanted that's exactly that, a wish to possess
some source. And I wanted to define the two and
distinguish the two here here at the beginning. Understand there's
a difference because I meet a lot of people who
have some sort of desire. They're like, Oh, i'd like
to be a millionaire. Oh, I'd like to have a
great family. I'd like to have a great marriage. Many
things that are worth desiring. I'd like for my life

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to have meaning. I'd like for my life to have
great impact. But there's a gap between their desire and
their ambition, right when there's a when there's a that's
like saying like, i'd like to, you know, eat a
meal today, but you sit on your couch. When you
have a hunger, you will go out and pursue it.
You'll go out and check.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I don't know where it is.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm going to eat something today, right, I'm gonna go
get I'm gonna go get fed today. Not just saying
why I'd like a meal to show up at my
door and so there's a difference between desire and ambition.
And that's really what I want for people out of
this podcast is that their ambition and that their hunger
would grow. God has more for you. Like you're not
supposed to stay where you're at. I want people to

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go out and become everything God's created them to be.
And so you need it like a hunger is like
you can't like when you're hungry, you're gonna go get food.
I have to go get something, not say I'd like
for this to happen. And so I wanted to distinguish
the two because we're going to assemble the pieces here
today of what really creates ambition. I can't force it
on you, but I want to give you the pieces.

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For some of you who already have some ambition and
hunger in your life, now you know how to feed it,
how to grow it. And by the way, ambition is
an a moral thing. Ambition it can be good or bad.
It can be a great thing, it can be a
terrible thing. But I want to talk about the pieces,
so for one to help you guys who already have
it and have it for the right things. Okay, here's

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how I feed it. Here's how I grow it. And
maybe for some of you, I wouldn't say people are
listening to be like, well, I don't have any ambition,
but I would like to attain some That's probably not
where people are at though. If you are, this episode
will be great for you. But the other way that
you can use this episode is some of you maybe
have children, you have a coworker, you have a spouse,
you have somebody in your life that you want them
to hunger for more, but they just seem stuck. And again,

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you can't tell someone well, hey man, you have no
ambition that you can't do that to somebody, But you
can understand what are the ingredients that create in ambition.
If you understand that, you can understand here's how I
help somebody.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, and that's where this gets really incredible, especially like
I know there's a lot of parents, and I would
hope that you'd be going, oh, man, I need this,
because I know I'm doing this right now, particularly with
my twelve year old. We've been doing some very practical
things and she's responding well. And I am a very
proud parent sit here talking about that. So now you
said something about it being a moral ge and I
want to just rewind back to what you said about

(16:24):
the difference between the desire and ambition. So I find
with what we've done, and we've actually got something that
we're going to be announcing pretty soon called the Purpose Playbook,
where we're going to show people how to clearly define
what you want, understand purpose, get vision, get priorities, understand
your rules for life, and then put like almost engineer
your life to live the most intentional, greatest years of

(16:46):
your life. And I'm very excited about it. We've been
working on it for a while, so we will go
more into that later, but just know it's coming. But
the reason I say I bring that up is because
we've worked with a lot of people just in our
lives and at the point for this podcast, and what
I find so interesting this such an easy question for
our kids to answer and such a hard one for adults.
What do you want? And you because you said like
a desire is like it's where.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I begin with most coaching clients because with people, not
every single person that I'm coaching, some people that I
coach have great ambition and they're stuck, like I don't
know how to move. I want to move forward, but
I don't know how. And then other people that I'm
coaching there they know there's more, but they don't have
a hunger right, They're kind of like, well, I don't
help me with this. I know there's more out there

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than what I see, but I can't see it. I
just know it's there. And so with many of the
people that I'm helping them grow and their hunger, it's
the beginning question. It's kind of the beginning of coaching
where I start with pretty much everybody is, hey, what
do you want? If you can't tell me what you want,
I don't I can't help you. If you don't know
what you want, I can't help you. Now a lot
of the times they don't know the answer. I can

(17:50):
still help you, but I'm going to help you answer
this question. We have to answer this question before we
can move forward. Yeah, I do the exact same thing.
What I find oftentimes is the first time I ask it,
you get a long ramble, and then I have to
go in and basically do what you do to me all
the time, yeah, and go like, okay, let's hone in
on what you said in many words and and find
out is this actually what you want. And that's not
a knock on people, because like I'm anything I say

(18:11):
about what I'm why I seeing other people, I've done
the same thing, I've experienced the same thing, and so
it's like, so that's the first part is can you
define it?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
But like even what you said is a desire, like
let's say you do like so some people it's like,
what do you want? What I want to be rich? Okay,
and like what you're saying is like, that's that's the
wish part. And with our kids, it's like, what do
you want? My kids want, you know, every toy in
the world. Yeah, they I mean yeah, literally they do.
They want like they want everything. And the moment you
go like, well, hey you.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Could do my kids just want to go to the
ice cream store. Yeah the ice ice cream store. Yeah okay,
whipped out the ice cream store. But so like if
you start saying, yeah, you can do that, if you
do X, Y and Z, you probably wouldn't go to
the ice cream store very often because that's where ambition
comes in. It's like are you willing to actually pay
the price?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right? And that's a much different thing, And that's that's
what you're saying. And so it's so important because like
there might be some people who are like, man, I
want all this stuff. Well, if what I find is
step one is like, let's get a little bit of
clarity on what you want. Step two is like, let's
actually pay the price. And a lot of people get
broken in that because it's never gonna go how you think,
and the how of it is a lot of uncertainty,

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it's a lot of failure. It's a lot of picking
yourself back up and going like, oh the picture's changed.
I don't know if I still want, Like you know,
it's really you find out a lot in the ambition side.
But like you know, Victor Frankel and man with a
y can endure almost anyhow. That is ambition and it's
down to that purpose fuel. So I want to make
sure to highlight that. Now. The amoral nature of ambition

(19:35):
is so interesting because I think where we naturally where
my mind went as I was like, well, Mussolini had
ambition and that's horrible, Yeah, and that's horrible. Then you
look at a guy like Elon Musk who has huge ambition,
like for what we talked about him in the warm up,
for most people if you'd had multiple multi billion dollar
companies that have changed the world.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
And for him personally, you know, nine figure exits.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most people be like, I'm good, Like,
let's go get my island. I've done my thing. His
ambition was not to be rich.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, he's one of the wealthiest people in the world
now and he's running harder than ever.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
That's because for him, right, won't spend a lot of
time talking about it, but just.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
In it for an example, because because we're going to
break this down later. That's why this is pertinent.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
For Elon what he really wants, like, what's He looked
at humanity, made an assessment and said like, we must
get off of this planet because the way. And I
don't think Elon has any relationship with the Lord. I
think he spends time arounds people who do so. I
think he think he's very understanding of the eternal. I

(20:37):
don't think he has a relationship with the Lord. But anyways,
his assessment of humanity is that humanity is going to
destroy itself. Right, the way that we live are, our politics,
everything else we are, we are building up this thing
that's going to explode. That's how that's what Elon musk.
It's his personal view. He said, So, the best thing
we can do for humanity is get it off of Earth, right,

(20:58):
we have to go to the next planet. So for him,
until he develops a civilization on Mars, he's going to
keep running harder and harder and harder. That's what you
see when you look at someone who has great ambition.
You like what someone will say about like, man, this
dude just won't stop, right, That's what ambition looks like. Yeah,
like you achieve a success, you achieve a victory. It's like, dude,

(21:18):
he just won't give up. He just get like it's
never good enough for him because he's pursuing something that's
more than material, right.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
And I think it depends on how you feel about Elon,
and we're not here to make a commentary on that.
You would say, well, he's pursuing something great because look
what he's doing for humanity. I mean there's a lot
of things that people are well.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Any one of his six companies to many other people,
Like if you just took one of his companies and
gave it to another person, that person would be lauded
as extremely successful. Just one of his company.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, you got a rocket to be reusable. Okay, you're like.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Or his AI or a boring company or Tesla, like
any of the companies that he's built. Just one of
those to another person, like they would be a well
known right and yeah, and he's done multiple times. Ever,
so we're using him as an example of like where
you can really see ambition, and that's where we go like, okay, yeah,
it's amoral, good and bad. Well no, no, there's also
levels of like what do you want? Because here's here's

(22:11):
what we talked about.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's really interesting something we've all met that person where
they you're kind of like, dude, you don't want anything,
Like you literally what you want is just to sit
around and watch like YouTube all day and like drink and.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Want life to not be hard. That's yeah, just like
we talked as a month or two ago, we talked
about hey, like if you're if what you want for
your life is financial freedom, Like what you what you
really want is just to be in a place where
you can say like, Okay, I don't have to do
anything anymore, which is wrong.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, and financial freedom should be a milestone that you
hit along the way of wherever your ambition is taking you.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah. But but the but the point I want to
make in that, like to the point that you just
made is like there's level, like there is quality levels.
When we say it's a moral you can want some
things that maybe you think are good or that come
from a place that actually aren't. Really they're not very
enduring sources of motive of ambition. And we're gonna we're
gonna show you what I mean. But we're gonna break

(23:06):
into this more. But what I've observed in people, because like,
and I'm speaking from my own experience, a lot of
my lessons I learned myself. I look at other people
to go like, is this something that's common or was
this unique to me? And I start to look at
principles and what I've observed, because you know, I thought
I knew what a great marriage was until I came
and saw a great marriage. Thought I knew what an
athlete was till I met an athlete.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Right. I said that to these baseball players. They thought
it was funny.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, well I'm sure they did. I mean, anyways, I
can make commentary on baseball athletics because there's some dudes
in there that you would not think are athletes.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I did hit them with the push ups.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Oh yeah, how do they do?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
By the way, they made it to about twenty before
I heard some sounds and I stopped. But I will
say this, there were some non players in the room. Yeah,
and there were also some much older retired players. Yeah,
so give a break because I talked to some of
the younger guys and are like, oh, that was cool.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, you know, twenty wasn't hard for for those You
have no idea what you're talking what we're talking about
every week it might have been. Garrett does command push
ups with us, And what I will say about I've
gotten the when Garrett's not there. I've had to fill
in sometimes and people are like, man, we want Garrett
back because they think I'm trying to overcompensate. But my
level of awareness and command push ups is not what
yours is because I've not done them. I've not been
in those shoes. But what I'm realizing now, when you're
the one giving the command, it's a lot easier. Sure, right,

(24:17):
it is because you know where you're going, where you're
going right, and I know that I can stop whenever
I want.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well exactly, but think about that from a psychology standpoint.
There's a lot of lessons in that. But anyways, so
the attacks on my body is the same, right, but
mentally power of the mind, that's exactly right. And so
that's a whole other lesson right there. But but I
say all that say, that's what he was referring to.
He did command push ups with these guys, which is
what we do it mighty man. So going back to
this what I was the point I was making about
how you you think you have an idea of something
and then you meet that and it shifts your whole perspective.

(24:44):
I think for the vast majority of people, where their
ambition comes from is if they have any ambition at all,
it'll be to be like one higher than what was
surrounded they were surrounded by. So like if you grew
up with like broken marriages, people who were barely getting by,
people who like you know, were you know, they would
drink a lot, you might go like, you know what
I have I have. I don't drink every day. You know,

(25:06):
me and my wife aren't going to get a divorce,
and we can take a vacation once a year, and
like for you.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
All and in all those areas, it's better than what
I cant Yeah, and so.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
You're killing it and and that's where a lot of
people's ambition comes from. And so like, if you're out
there and you're listeners, I would really challenge you and
ask you like what are you What's what do you
really have your sights set on? Like what are you
waking up and going like this is why I'm doing
what I'm doing, because.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think from somewhere that mindset is somewhere between the
one and the two talent servant. Right, the one talent
servant said like, well, let me just give you backwards.
I didn't ruin it, I didn't lose it, right, just
take what's yours. And the two talent servant he multiplied it,
but not as much as what he could have possibly done.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, And I'm speaking once again from experience because when
I first you know, when I first came out here,
I was going like, man, I'm in great shape for
my age, and I look at pictures of myself now
and I'm like, dude, you are like it, such a
soft body, you had no muscle and like you you're
literally soccer player. Okay, that was unnecessary. But but like
I say that because you know what this story, because
I know the story that was in my head, and
I'm saying this for somebody out there. The story in

(26:03):
my head was I like, while I'm doing better the
most people my age, that was exactly what I told myself.
And you know what, it was true. But guess what
most men my age were, you know, thirty percent body
fat not a great barometer to really like, go hey,
that's what I'm aiming for. But that's why I was
doing so I'm highlighting this for people because it's like,
you need to know that, Like, if you hunger for
low level things, it's a short level of desire, right

(26:24):
and when you start to hunger for something that will
take your entire life in decades to attain to, your
ambition accelerates. This is what I'm experiencing now. I was
saying to Garral. I was like, man, I feel like
I'm hungrier now than I was five years ago, when
I was just in a lot of pain, when I
was like, man, things aren't working the way I want
them to. Now I'm like, not only are like there's
a lot of things that I'm like, man, this is
going great. But I'm like, I could see what it

(26:44):
could possibly be, and we've got I mean, the vision
of the impossible life is to change the perception of
what it needs to be a godly man. And I
tell people all the time, I will die, literally, and
this is how I think of my life. Whether you
know we've talked about it, if you died or if
I died, whatever, It's not like we go, oh, well,
this was a nice time. I better shift course and
go do something else. I will spend my life. I
will die still investing in men to try and change

(27:04):
their perception, to understand what is to know God and
be who they made them to be. And that's a
very different experience than something i'd had, you know, five
years ago, where I was like, man, I'd really like
to just be able to pay my bills a lot
easier and get along with my wife.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
You decided you wanted something bigger exactly when this comes
back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I've talked about this
probably I don't know a dozen fifteen times.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
On the podcast.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
If you don't know what Maslow's hiarchy of needs is
like if you took a psycho, if you took psychology
one O one in college, you probably learned a little
bit about doctor Abraham Maslow. Also, why'd you go to college? Yeah,
that's too exa. I didn't go to college, but Abraham Maslow. Right,
Doctor Abraham Maslow wrote a paper and it was called
the Hierarchy of Needs. This is his summarization of like,

(27:47):
this is how humans live their lives. Yeah, okay, it's
very accurate and it's my There's five levels to it,
and the first four levels of you ascend up the pyramid.
At the very lowest lene level is like air and
you know water, like general survival. If you have no
like you need air to live. If you don't have air,

(28:08):
if I hold you underwater, you will fight as hard
as you can to try and breathe until you either
overcome me or you die. Right Like, if you don't
have air, you will fight and fight and fight for
it until you get it. And anyone listening to this
podcast unless you're holding, you know, practicing your breath holds
like we mentioned the other day, Unless you're practicing your
breath holds while you're listening to this episode, no one's
saying like, man, I need air and you have all

(28:29):
that you have, all the air that you need. I've
never met the person that has a lifetime supply of
oxygen bobbed up in their basement. They're like, oh, man,
just in case, right, Like what if what if the
earth runs.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Out of air?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I got mine?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I will be ready.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, no one does that, right. And if you're if
you've if you're dehydrated, if you haven't had water in days,
you're gonna go get more water. But once you have water,
you're not like, oh man, I need need all this water.
And so that's the first level, and it continues to
go up, you know, so from from level one, then
it goes to like shelter and like some of your
like you know, very short term needs, but not like

(29:02):
in the moment needs. And then it goes up to
relationships in a sense of belonging, like having a community,
having other people in your life. Right, if you're starving
to death, you're not worried about like, man, I need friends,
I'm lonely. But once you get past those things, you're
such a thing like man, I don't have any relationships.
I'm kind of lonely. But once you have relationships in
your life, you're not like, man, I have ten best friends,
I must have twenty. Yeah, that's the next one. Right,

(29:23):
if you have zero friends, like you will chase after
the one. But at some point, right, the way I
like to say it is like, at some point, five
hundred cheeseburgers isn't any better than fifty? Right, I feel
like you're hungry. Five cheeseburgers might be good. Fifty cheeseburgers
sounds ridiculous, and five hundred cheese burgers isn't any better
than fifty. And so for all of the first four
levels they kind of operate this way. There's these general
needs that you want to attain, and once you get them,

(29:46):
you stop chasing after them. But the very top of
Abraham Maslow's pyramid is what he calls self actualization, which
is what we call purpose. Right is to it's Ecclesiastices
three eleven, God placed attorney in the human heart. Abraham
Maslow writes the same way, in a very scientific way,
that inside of us there's a need to fulfill our
greatest calling. And I love this in his paper. You'll

(30:09):
see people talk about Maslow's hartcap of needs. I've never
really seen people talk about this last part. I think
it's the most special part. If you read his full paper,
he talks about with self actualization different than the first
four needs. With the first four needs, the more you
get of it, the less you desire it. Once I
have air, I'm not chasing after it anymore. But with
self actualization or purpose, the.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
More you get of it, the more you desire it.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
And so like, what don't you want to run after
the thing that makes you run harder and harder and
hardess instead of chasing after the thing that the closer
you get to the finish line, the more you slow down.
I want to run the race that the closer, the
further I run. The closer I get to the finish line,
the harder I run. And you keep running faster and
faster and faster. And this is where you get a
man like Elon Musk when people say, like, dude, this

(30:51):
guy just won't stop.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, And that's so interesting because Elon Musk is not
pursuing the eternal, but like purpose is God's ideas, the
calling thee.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
He's not pursuing the eternal, but he is pursuing something
that's much bigger than himself. Yes, he doesn't he didn't
say Elon wants to go to Mars, right, He says
humanity must go to Mars, humanity must get off of Earth.
So it's something that's bigger than himself. And so this
taps into the principle of understanding that it's not about you.
And and what's cool is like Elon has this big goal,
but he's still not even fully tapped in all the way.

(31:23):
There's a there's a higher level that you can go to.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, and so I hope that that's your appetite because
that's where we're going. So gee, I feel like we
were working. Let's just break it down, man, the ingredients
for ambition, And there's three ingredients. Do you want to
give hm up front or do you want to go
one at a time. Let's go one at a time. Okay,
And they're in order as always because we don't do
things random. Here on them possible life. So the very
first one, and we've talked about this a few hundred
times is belief. Right now, now we're going to dive

(31:47):
into this, but this is there's two key beliefs here.
One is about yourself and the other is about what
you're pursuing. Because what you said when we were when
we were preparing, you said, you have to if you
if you have someone with no ambition, you have to
get them to believe that they can and also like
to see the right things. And so that was kind
of how you start. That is where we started.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, so we talked about We've talked about Gosh so
many times and it's one of the things that we
cover in mindset Mastery.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
What belief is.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
The definition of belief is things that you know are
true but can't prove right, and so you might spend
like if you have beliefs, you might start trying to
prove them right, but you know it's true. And one
of the beliefs that I talk about all the time,
this is a great beginning of ambition. This is where
I start with people and my coaching with their purpose,
right is understanding. I can't tell you what your purpose is,

(32:36):
but what I do know about your purpose is that
God is a plan for your life. God is a
great plan for your life. That is the beginning of
your purpose. And that is a belief. I cannot prove
that to you. There's no science that I can show
you that says that God is a great plan for
your life. But scripture does, and I've decided to base
my life on scripture. And scripture is not scientifically provable

(32:57):
one hundred percent, but it's pretty close. There's a lot
of evidence. Now you have to have some faith and
some belief to add to it. But I know that
God has a great plan for my life. That's the
very beginning of belief. But you need a lot more
than that if you want to have hunger. But that's
a great start because if you know that God is
a great plan for your life, well it would you
like to would you like for your life to have
had a great plan and you didn't measure up to it,

(33:19):
You didn't fulfill it? Like would you like to see
when you die? Hey man, here's all the stuff I
had for you, here's everything you were capable of. Here's
the great plans for your life that I had for
you when I made you, but you didn't do any
of it. Is that I don't think anybody would want
to hear that. Yeah, And so that's the beginning of it.
Then you also have to have some beliefs about what
you're pursuing. For me, where some of my ambition and

(33:43):
hunger and life has come from. It is not just
knowing that God had a great plan for my life.
But there were some things that I saw as a
young person, both good and bad. There were some good
things that I saw. I said, the world needs more
of that. Yeah, there's also you know, it's like the
Edmund Burke quote that pushed me into the military. Shout
out to video games. They're a great military recruitment tool.

(34:03):
I was playing the original Call of Duty Too, and
in between all of the loading scenes, it would put
quotes on screen, military quotes, and one of the military
quotes that I saw because I played. I played that
game to the very end. I spent a lot of
time playing Call of Duty Too. One of the quotes
that it would flash in the loading scene was Edmund
Burke's quote. It said that evil prevails when good men

(34:24):
choose to do nothing. And like I believed I was
a good man, I said, and so if I want
to be a good man, that means I can't do nothing,
and I'm going to stand against evil. I'm not going
to let evil just pass me by and allow it
to do its thing. And so there were some good
things that I saw in life, but there were also
some things that I saw in life that I said, like,
that's wrong, right, Like people live that way, people believe that.

(34:46):
It's what we do on this podcast. I'm trying to
help people see the truth all the time, right, Like,
you've been living under lies that have made you small
and that are hurting the world, and so let me
help you change your thinking. I want to do something
about that. So I also had some beliefs about the world,
the way the world should be, what I thought was
right and what I thought was wrong, and how I
wanted to fight after those things. I've also some examples

(35:10):
for me. We talked about this again recently. It's part
of my story. Was the way that I looked at
Sir Edmond Hillary, and that was perspective.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Perspective is a great way to open the door to belief.
You can't force a belief on someone, but you can
show it to them. They have to choose to accept
that belief. But people told me, like, dude, Navy seal train,
it's the hardest military training in the world. It's really
the opening line of Bud's Class two thirty four Discovery
Channel documentary The Hardest Military Training in the World. Right,
That's what sucked me in. But I looked at that

(35:39):
and I didn't say like, oh, I couldn't do it.
I looked at it and I said, well, some people can,
so why can't I. I looked at Sir Edmund Hillary.
I said, this man chose to climb Mount Everest when
the scientists were writing papers and said it's probably not possible.
Nobody can survive up there twenty nine thousand feet. They
make you go on oxygen and an airplane after thirteen
thousand feet to climb up to twenty nine thousand feet.

(36:01):
They said, man can't survive up there. Yet, Sir Edmund
Hillary said it can be done, and he pursued it
even when science said no way. All right, I said, man,
I want to be a Navy seal. I ain't trying
to climb Everest when everyone says it can't be done.
I'm just trying to do something that's hard. That was
a perspective shift for me. That's something that empowered my belief.
And these are some of the This is one of
the ingredients for ambition. That having belief alone will not

(36:25):
make you ambitious, but it is a great start. Yeah,
what you said about why you joined the seal teams highlights.
Like I said, it's a belief about yourself and about
what you're pursuing. And you may hear them like yeah, okay, okay,
Well number one and hearing what you said was you
believed you could make a difference. Now, where does that
come from? You grew up with parents that said God
loves doing, He has a plan and purpose for your life.
You're very capable.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I know your parents well, they spoke Your mom especially
is just like your biggest fans, spoke a ton of
belief into you. One of the things I realized early
on is that you and I both had a belief
that we could do anything, and mine came once again.
My mom spoke like, would not speak anything negative over us.
Me and my sister both have a lot of self confidence.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I've heard it said from psychologists that identity comes from
a father, that confidence comes from.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
A mother, right, and so I so that was something
that we both shared. Now, for people out there who
had like maybe not a great mother or great father,
or you had terrible both or whatever your background is,
the great thing is you have a heavenly father who
has some very specific things to say about you. And
so your belief about what you can do. You know,
we're not the we can do it all our self podcasts. Understand,
the greatest source of our collective confidence comes from the

(37:28):
fact that God is with us.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
That is one hundred percent where our confidence and our
faith comes from in what we go forward to do.
And that's not just for us, that's for all of us. So,
like when we say belief about yourself that you can
make a difference, I hope that stirs some belief. Now
here's where a lot of people, some people be like, yeah, okay, okay,
and they can get to there. And I don't know
what their level of confidence in that statement is, but
here's where a lot of people will then maybe fall
off the train. For ambition is about what you're pursuing.

(37:53):
So you're like evil for good men to do nothing,
evil will prevail that that can't happen.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
And I believed that was responsible. Yeah, and there's a
responsibility part, right. Evil prevails if good men choose to
do nothing, that means I have to do something about it.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah. I mean in our country right now, there's a
lot of talk about like Muslims coming into our country. Sure,
and you know if somebody said to you and like, hey,
these they're coming in, They're going to take over. This
is what's going to happen to you, x y Z.
If you knew all that and you really believe that,
you would fight in a different way. But what a
lot of people will say is, you know, it's a
peaceful religion. They just want to do They just want

(38:29):
to be here like this, this country's not ours. Whatever
their reasoning is, they'll have a story, and so their
belief about what they're pursuing is very different, so their
actions are very different. And we talked about this when
we are coming in, like so many people don't realize
what's at stake. And I'm putting my hand up because
Garrett told me early on and I've shared it before
in this podcast, you need to put on some muscle, bro.

(38:49):
And I was like, oh, here we go. This is
another thing that Garrett's given me grief about. And he's like,
your authority will grow. And that's what kind of perked
my ears up. Not because I need to. I'm like
seeking authority for my own self. I don't even know
for my own selfish reasons. You need to have authority
to be able to lead people. I want to lead
people to Jesus. So I was like, Okay, if me
putting on some muscle means people are going to perceive

(39:09):
me differently.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
It's what a strength and warmth part of leadership. Right,
When people perceive you as strong and they believe that
you care, they'll follow you anywhere.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Right. And I didn't understand any of this. So my
exact comment to you was like, well, that's stupid, right,
that's exactly sid, Well, that's stupid because what that would
mean is that everybody who has muscles is fallible, and
I know that's not true. This is how I thought. Yeah,
And I was like, this is stupid. But through a
course of wanting to be healthy and all that, I've
put on a lot of muscle. Guess what, Like, you
were right and a lot. And it's not just like
in church or in people that I know. People make

(39:38):
snap judgments on you, and there's certain things that I'm like, man,
this is different than how it used to be. I
sat in a group and I've talked about him before.
There's a man, a mighty man that literally in February
of this year, he was talking about how there were
some difficulties in his family, and he was heavily overweight,
and I said, you know what would change your family
is if you start leading yourself better. And the number
one way that you could lead yourself better that they
would have to see is if you lost a bunch

(39:58):
of weight and got in shape physically. This is a
Holy Spirit led word. I don't take any credit for
this because I'm telling you that the Holy Spirit was
speaking through me. This guy's lost one hundred and eighteen pounds.
And I sat with him again yesterday and he was
telling the story because now guess what's happening. His family's
starting to be like, man, we should get in shape too.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Shock.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
And so I was like when he said that, I
was like, well, let me tell you guys, like the
root of this, because I want to be encouragement for
everybody in the group. And he interrupted me. He's like, no, no, no,
He's like he's like, it's not just my family. He's like,
it's happening at work as well. He's like people are
like listening to me and things are different at work.
And I said, and I said, and I just when
Garrett and I were parent, I said, you know what
if I would have said to that guy. Look, you
are just a weight loss away from having your kids

(40:37):
look at you differently, having your wife want to follow you,
having people at work respect you. You would have not
had a belief about that. And that's what I'm saying.
The belief about what you're pursuing is so important because
if you believe that this is a crucial thing that
absolutely must happen, you will have ambition because it's like,
you know, it's like you always say, if someone's gonna
shoot your family, if you didn't run a marathon tomorrow,

(40:59):
if that was gonna happen, you'd get up and figure
out the marathon. That's a short term ambition. Well, what
is the ambition in your lifetime that you can start
to get a grasp of and like you can see
this in the presence of God, Like that's where vision
comes from. That you can start to go, man, like,
this has to happen because and I'm willing to just
go for decades. That's that's the difference about.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
What it is.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
And you did this so well, Gie. You you can
help people this by giving them perspective, and that's your superpower.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah again, Perspective opens the door to belief. You can't
force a belief on people. Can people can reject a belief.
You have to choose even if you can, even if
you show them all the evidence. And the reason I
was saying to Nick, the reason that people will reject
beliefs is kind of like it's when I'm I think
a very interesting story in the Bible. It's very cool
story the last time Jesus is in the temple. If

(41:46):
you go read this story and I'll give it really quick.
The Pharisees ask Jesus, Jesus, are you the Are you?
Are you the Messiah?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Right right?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
They're trying to trap him, right, They're like they want
him to say yes so they can arrest him because
this is right before they eventually do that anyways, right
shocker if they don't know if you've read the story,
spoiler spoil alert, spoiler alert. So they asked him are
you the Messiah? And Jesus all answer. He plays the
Rabbi game. He says, I'll answer your question if you'll
answer mine, and he says, do you believe that John
the Baptist is a prophet of God? And that's a

(42:18):
trap question for them because the answer is yes. Everyone
knows all the Pharisees know John the Baptist first prophet
of God in over four hundred years. All the Israelite
people have accepted it. The Pharisees have accepted it and
claimed it that he's a prophet. The reason Jesus answered
that question asked that question is because John the Baptist
has claimed that Jesus was the Messiah. And so if

(42:39):
they answered the question and said, well, yeah, John the
Baptist and Messiah, then Jesus is going to say, well,
he claimed on the Messiah. Wouldn't have to answer their question,
just say, hey, the prophet said it, there you go.
And so the Pharisees knew the answer to his question,
but their answer was we don't know. And why did
they say that. The reason the Pharisees said we don't
know is because they knew the truth, they just didn't

(42:59):
like what it meant. And the reason that people will
reject a belief is because sometimes you get shown a
belief that reveals to you that you've been living wrongly.
Sometimes you get shown a belief that reveals to you
that you're gonna have to change and there's pain coming
for you. That's why you've got to get like this
is some of the earlier stuff we've covered on the
podcast what prepares people for ambition? These are like some

(43:22):
of the precursor ingredients. Is you got to get to
a place in your life where you're not ruled by
fear and pain. If you're ruled by fear and pain,
you're gonna have a hard time have an ambition for anything.
Because when you're ruled by fear and pain, what's going
to guide your beliefs is what helps me be comfortable
and not have to face the boogeyman that that is.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Some deep truth. Because I said to Gary, said, what
you're saying is logical, but that's not how people are rational,
not logical, and it's exactly what you said. I want
to just add a little bit of bones before we
move on to the second ingredient, because I'll just use
the example I said about muscle. So you said that
people realize that they have to change and they don't
want to. But that's not how you think about it,
because no one's gonna be like, you know what, I
know this is better for me and forget it like
some people will be, but vast majority of people don't

(44:01):
want to admit that. And because they're ruled by fear
and pain, you you have patterns of what you do
to numb pain. So like the example of you like
what guy wants to hear? Hey, bro, you don't have
very much muscle and people don't respect you. And that's
not how you said it. But like let's say you
said that to somebody, your thing would be like forget you, man,
like you know, what do you know? Screw you?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
What you're really doing is use that truth undermindes how
they feel about themselves.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
That's exactly right. And because that hurts your your natural
reaction to pain isn't to say, like, man, what's the
source of this pain? Is this trying to show me
something that I need to address? It's just make it
go away. And that's what So in a very quick instant,
when you get feedback or advice from people wanted or unwanted,
and you have that relationship to pain, you can't ask
the question does the shoe fit you?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Gotta you gotta throw the Pops filter on there. Yeah,
like Pop said to me, son, if the shoe fits,
wear it?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, I think that all the time. Like your dad's
voice has a there's a few sayings that I hear
your dad in my head all the time, and that
is one of them. Yeah, because and because it's such
a valuable thing. So I just I want to highlight
that because it the belief's part is ingredient number one
for a reason, because when you have the right beliefs,
guess what your source of hunger changes. And that's the
second ingredient. Right, Like people what we talked about earlier

(45:11):
when we talked about how it's a moral and we
gave the example of wanting one better than what you'd seen.
If you hunger for low level things like you're not
going to have a very high level of ambition because
your source of hunger is like like you said, I
just want to eat, Okay, Well, each day you're just
gonna wake up and eat and that's all you're ever
gonna do, right, And there's not much there's like nothing

(45:31):
eternal in that honestly, that that's bare level survival. So
belief is, you know, it's our first ingredient. Belief is
this powerful ability. It's something that drives you that you
don't have to get direct feedback on, yeah, right, Like
you don't have to feed me for me to keep running. Right,
when you're not belief based, like, you'll only do the
things that you can see, you'll only live by certainty,

(45:53):
and that's a very limited life. So we've talked a
ton about belief. Belief is not the only ingredient for ambition, though,
you just need belief before you get to the second piece,
which is what we you know. We would call this
the source of hunger. This is the desire portion, right,
We're talking about Maslow's hierarchy of needs. When I talk
about that, two people, I reveal to them and it

(46:14):
allows it if you're willing to do the work. It
allows you to put your life in a lens and say, hmm,
are the things that I'm chasing after something in the
first four levels or is it in the fifth level? Right?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Because if you're running from pain, if you're this is
what I was saying about financial freedom. Financial freedom is
just like security of the first four levels of your life.
Financial Like, God did not make you to be financially free.
That's not the purpose of your life for sure. That's
like saying the purpose of a car is to put
gas in it. Stupid, It's not what your purpose is.
And so some people when you hear this, you can

(46:46):
you can realize that maybe I have not been If
you're willing to overcome the pain and do the work,
you realize maybe I've not been living my life. I'm
not saying you're bad. I'm not saying you know that
you're a horrible person. I'm telling you there's more you
could live for a greater purpose if you're willing to
hear this message. And so the what creates ambition is

(47:07):
you need this desire. Just to say it as as
simply as possible. You need a desire for your life
that is in the essay category, that's in the purpose category.
Otherwise you will live a limited life because you'll start
you'll hunger for something, but then you'll get it and
you'll stop hungering. What What is fuel again? We were
using Elon Musk as an example. What's fueling him? He's

(47:29):
chasing after something he can't put his hands on yet,
it's going to take everything in his life. And I
got I'll place bets on Elon Musk. I mean my
stock portfolio says that I would play place bets you
have do am I certain.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
That he'll achieve what he's after? No I'm not.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I'm not one thousand percent certain, Like I wouldn't bet
my life that this dude's going to make it to
Mars in my lifetime. I think he has a really
good chance, but he's going after something that's massive and
he's going to give all that he has for it.
What I what, what I would be willing to bet
my life on, is that this dude will nearly maximize
his potential because he's going to spend his entire life
developing himself and chasing after something that's not about him.

(48:11):
And so again it's the question I ask people, how
much of your life do you want? How much of
your potential do you want? Do you want all of it?
I hope you would say yes. I hope you wouldn't
be someone and say, you know what, I know, I
was made to accomplish all this, but I'm okay with
less than that. That's very selfish. It's very selfish if

(48:31):
you would say anything less than one hundred percent of
your potential, because your potential is not for you. Right
if you've figured out your life on any level, you've
understood that my life is not about me, and so
your potential is not about you. Either your potential is
an opportunity for you to be generous, for you to
bless other people, for you to open doors for people,
for you to bless your wife, for you to raise
your children. That's what your potential is for. And so

(48:53):
really you're saying, I would rather be comfortable than help
all these other people. But if you'll decide I want
to live the greatest life that I can possibly live,
then you have to get a source of hunger that
is in the self actualization, that is in the purpose category.
God is a great plan for your life, and you
must be unsatisfied with anything less than pursuing all that God.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Has for you.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, and where that how you do that is it
happens when you spend time with God. When you spend
time pursuing God, seeking God, what you value will change
because you'll begin to value what He values. This was
so much of Jesus when you read the Gospels, and
I'm reading through them now, so much of what Jesus said.
I mean, think about he goes, he talks to the
woman at the well. If you knew who you were
talking to, you would ask him for living water. Right.

(49:35):
She goes, sir, give me this water so I don't
have to come back to the well. And he's like, no, no, no,
you don't get it. He tells them, I am the
bread of life. When they're talking about like, well, you know,
Moses gave our father's manna from the desert, and he's like,
the bread of life is here, like eternal life is here.
So much of what he talked about was spiritual, and
they always when he said, why are you so dull?
Why are you so hard of heart? It's always because

(49:56):
they were thinking about physical things when he was speaking
about spiritual things.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Kind of like we talked about a couple episodes ago,
science in the Bible, right doctor, what doctor Abraham Maslow
wrote is considered scientific research.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Jesus was talking about.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
It first yep, Oh yeah for sure. And I mean
he's put eternity in every man's heart, right that they would,
that they would, but no man can have them.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
And he's saying, dude, you guys are like talking about
level one stuff exact. I'm trying to get you to
level five. Yeah, but I mean, who wants to say, like,
I'm hard of heart. If you want to be hard
of heart, just keep thinking about the first four levels.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
How do I get enough to eat? How do I
make enough money? Like these are things that Jesus was like,
I mean, he says, these are all things that God
knows you need, but SEEKI first, the King of God,
and all these things. He was trying to like shift
their perspective from Look, God knows these you need these things.
But that's not the point.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
And I'm not saying that those things are Like being
well fed is not wrong, no, no, not. I mean
you need to be And this is like if you
ever go do ministry in a third world country where
people sleep on the dirt, where they don't have shoes,
where we eat more in a day than they eat
in a week. When you go to one of these places,
you'll learn the pat Like you go feed people in America.

(51:05):
And I was talking about this with Doug. That actually
is one of it still works, right, Like one of
the things that they found gathers people the most is
free food. If they make a bunch of burgers, they'll
get a bunch of people and can minister to them.
But it's different here than it is in a third
world country. In a third world country, you feed like
a very hungry person. Now they can hear the gospel.
It is very hard to share the gospel with a

(51:26):
starving person. And so what I'm not saying is that
you should skip the first four levels. What I am
saying is that people get stuck there. You don't need
financial freedom to pursue your purpose. You don't need a
multimillion dollar house to let me get mine, then I'll
pursue my purpose.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
You don't need that.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
You also need to be a level above starving. So
I'm not saying that these things are wrong. But again,
let's just take it back to the cheeseburgers for a minute.
You need a couple of cheeseburgers so you can go
pursue your purpose. You don't need five hundred cheeseburgers, and
a lot of people get stuck on. And by the way,
if you live your life pursuing five hundred cheeseburgers, after
you get five of them, you're not going to run

(52:06):
as hard as you as you did when you had
zero cheeseburgers in your life. And I'm using the cheeseburger
count as an analogy for your level of fulfillment at
any of the first four levels. You are designed this way,
You're supposed to move up the ladder once you like,
once you've had some water, once you've had some food,
once you got some air in your lungs, you move

(52:26):
on to the next things, right, And you've got to
eventually move on. People get stuck here. They're like, well,
cheeseburgers were good, I should just get more. No, you
have to climb up the pyramid. You have to decide
I'm going to pursue my greatest calling? What did God
put me on the earth to do?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, And I hope that's an encouragement because what we're
saying is that you don't just go like, Okay, I'm
ready for level five. I mean you talked about it
like climbing up a staircase. You only do it one
or two steps at a time, right, if your shack
maybe three or four, but for most people one or
two steps at a time. And that's the whole point
is is it is a process of growing. This ambition.
We talked about it earlier. That ambition is something that
like it accelerates, right, it continues to grow. And that's

(53:02):
what you're describing there when you talk about the source
of hunger changing and just to zoom out for a
second before we go on to the third and final point.
We're talking about ambition as and hunger is a really
difficult thing to give people because what's difficult is to
get people to hunger for level five. I don't have
to do anything to get you to hunger for level
one through four. Correct, you will find your way there

(53:23):
on your own. You will fight for air, you'll fight
for food, you'll fight to overcome loneliness. You will do
all these things on your own. It takes a lot
of work.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
It takes doing things like listening to this podcast, takes
having some of the right people in your life, takes
reading the word of God to help you move on
to the highest level. Some other people, non spiritual, non
eternal people, they'll find that thing because they saw something
that was so desperately wrong with the world that they'll pursue.
They'll pursue something higher, someone like Elon Musk, Right. But

(53:53):
what I'm trying to help everybody do is understand that
God is a great plan for you, and your highest
level isn't even something that benefits all of humanity. It's
something that goes into eternity. Yes, that's the greatest thing
that you could possibly do, but to give someone ambition,
Like I can tell you this and hopefully listening to
this podcast will change your level of hunger, Like you're
going to make some shift. But I can't force you
to have hunger for life, right, All I can do

(54:15):
is tell you about these things. You don't get beliefs
in a second. You spend you spend a lifetime building beliefs,
and when you go through things like mindset mastery makes
it a little bit easier. I can't make you a
professional shooter in five minutes, but if you hang out
with me, I can make you a professional shooter a
lot faster than you would figure it out on your own. Right,
when you get some of the right templates, some of
the right instruction, it gets a little bit easier to

(54:37):
get to this great place where you're running as hard
as you can for the rest of your life. And
so what's the third piece here? So we have beliefs,
we have source of hunger. The third piece here is
I would say this is like a defense that you need.
This is like a shield for the other two. And
this is an understanding of principles. And what happens when
you understand principles principles is like when you know the
rules of the game.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
This is flight.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
When people didn't know how to fly, they're literally and
figuratively just flapping in the wind trying to figure out
how to fly. Now, once you understand principles, it's like
this is easy, yep, Like all you have to do
is this and this, and you can do what man
for thousands of years thought was impossible.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Fly.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
There's no way.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Never if as orvil rights Father said, if man were
meant to fly, God would have given him wings. This
is a lack of understanding of principles. But when you
understand principles, you understand that nearly anything is possible, and
the things that seem impossible to us nothing is impossible
with God. Principles allow you to look at life and say,

(55:38):
I can't control everything, but what I actually can control
is immensely powerful. And so when you have this great
understanding we've taught, we talked about principles a bunch. I'm
not going to teach principles right now, but I'm saying
that it's the third ingredient in developing ambition, ambition, and hunger.
When you have principles, knowing like all if I just
put the seed in the ground at the right time,

(55:59):
I give it the right amount of water in the
right amount of time, then it's going to grow. When
you understand this about that, that's what principles do. Principles
governed outcomes. And when you understand the things that govern
outcomes for your life, what governs outcomes for your business,
for your marriage. This protects your belief. You're like, I
want to have the greatest marriage possible, and I know

(56:22):
what principles govern the outcomes of marriage. With that, now
I have a hunger to have a great marriage. I
believe that I can have one, and I know that
there are rules that govern it, and all that is
left is for me to be willing to pay the price.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
For that thing.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, that's so good gie, because that this is literally
the tactics part.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Because if you didn't have principles, right, if you have
the belief and you have a hunger for something great,
but you like never learn how to play the game,
Eventually you start thinking you weren't meant to play the
gamest exactly right. When nothing ever works for you, when
you can't figure anything out, when you have no wisdom,
when you have no understanding of principles, you start thinking, well,

(56:58):
maybe it just wasn't meant to be right, and if
you've got to have strong belief to fight through those seasons, right,
you got to fight through a season of drought, You
got to fight through your crop getting riped out some seasons, right,
and when, But that's.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
A couple of years.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
If three years, five years, seven years, I've watched men
that I respect go through five year, ten year, fifteen
year seasons of struggle. But when you have an understanding
of principles, but all you know is you have to
wait for your time to come. But I know what's
going to work. Things I couldn't control wiped me out,
but I know my time will come. Principles gives you that.
If you don't have principles and you go through fifteen

(57:35):
years of it not working out, you start thinking, well,
maybe it just wasn't meant to be and it's very
hard to maintain that belief.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
So we hope, guys, that this has helped stir ambition
in you. We hope this has given you tools to
not just build belief and ambition in yourself, but in
those that you lead, those that you're entrusted with know
that like the beliefs about yourself, What are you speaking
to your children? What are you speaking over yourself about
what you're pursuing? Like? How great could things be? Like
are you really getting clarity from the mind of God?
Knowing that your source of hunger? That you begin to

(58:03):
encourage people to draw closer to God, that you yourself
draw closer to God because you know that when you
value eternal things, you'll have eternal fuel. And then understanding
that there are principles that you just need to uncover
the same way that you would never think you could
make your house fly. We now fly planes that weigh
more than your house regularly, and you watch them go,
and something in you knows that shouldn't happen, but yet
there it is. And I hope that encourages your possibility,

(58:24):
because it's not a matter of if it can be done,
it's just how long it's going to take you to
figure it out. Thank you very much for listening. Guys,
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(58:44):
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