Episode 2. Finals Frenzy

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Speaker (00:01):
Welcome to the Inca here in podcast.

(00:24):
Welcome back to the IncoherentPodcast.
I'm here with Zach, so how youbeen Zach?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (00:29):
Yeah, not too bad getting over this
bloody head cold, but yeah, nottoo bad.
Weather's starting to fine up so

the-incoherent-podcast_2_0 (00:37):
It's not too bad.
It's not,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (00:39):
ahead.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09- (00:40):
it wasn't too bad of a weekend to
be sick laying in bed.
Heaps of sport on, I said lastweek, that final series probably
lived up to expectations from mypoint of view.
I know the New Zealand game wasin the rain, and that's probably
all that was.
I think it would've been alittle bit more exciting
otherwise, or Andres might haveran away with it a bit bit
further,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:00):
Yeah, give Pendra a dry track and I
think they run away with thatgame a bit further.
I don't think the rain playedthat much.
A havoc Game wise, they probablysettled down and wanted to hold
onto the ball a little bitbetter.
But yeah, I still think thequality of game, it lived up the
finals.
Expectations

Yeah it wasn't too bad, the Warriors
did try to get back into it.
'cause we're, they've stoppedthose two 40 twenties that they,
they're probably two big playsthat really kept Penrith ahead
of it and it, and full credit tothe Warriors.
They've had a really good seasonand I really hope that they
build off this season intosomething bigger and larger.

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It's really going really wellover there, to be honest.
But I would be happy as awarrior supporter.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:45):
a hundred percent.
yeah, the, there's a couple ofinjuries we spoke about that.
Most teams caught this year.
They really hurt the warriors.
Losing Metcalf coming into the,leading into the final series.
I think he was building into a,yeah, a very special halfback
this season.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_ (02:04):
Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_20 (02:04):
interested to see how he comes back from
the ACL.

Yeah.
we'll talk a little bit moreabout that when we do the sports
wrap a little bit later.
just going through things.
But what I do want to get out ofthe way,'cause I know the rule,
I understand the rule, but Walshkicked him.
He didn't attack the legs.
I don't, I really don't thinkthat should have been a penalty.

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I'm not too upset about it and

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (02:30):
that he didn't attack the legs, it's
the fact that he made contactwith

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-1 (02:34):
I know what the rule.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (02:35):
rule.
The rule also states that youcan't head, but a bloke either.
But Walsh stayed on the fieldafter that, so.

Yeah, well, Smithy stayed on the
field, you know, he got the samething at the beginning of the
year, so I'm not too upset aboutthat.
I am upset Hudson Youngshouldn't have been sent off.
And if, unless you live under arock and don't really follow
footy.
Hudson Young got sent off for, Idon't know, stirring up the
opposition and got headbutted.
So he got suspended for, he gotsent off for having a place for

(03:07):
Walsh to land his forward.
But anyways, the NRL has sincesaid though that that penalty
should have went the other waybecause was a lot worse of a
incident than what Hudson Youngdone.
So I don't agree with it.
But the other, the other thingthat I pointed out to you
earlier in extra time when theRaiders scored that try, Ashley

(03:27):
Klein awarded the try and it issupposed to be that you have to
have absolute certainty thatknock on happened to be able to
change your decision from the onfield referee's decision and,
you could not see whether thatwent forward or backwards.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (03:45):
There was no definitive action of
which direction that balltraveled.
No, but it come off Canberra'shand and then made contact
Broncos player.
I do think that's where thebunkers come from.

I don't have a problem with it
either way.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (04:07):
it's, I

think I,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (04:09):
if they wanted it a try, happy days
wouldn't bother

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (04:13):
way.
But it

But it comes back to that discretion
with the, with the thing withthe charge down.
He contacted his leg, it wasminor.
He was running across in frontof him.
He wasn't attacking his legs.
He wasn't diving at his legs,which was what that rule's
supposed to stop.
And then you can go to that andthey've, pretty much guessed
whether it went forward orbackwards and didn't decide to
stick solid on the rule forthat.

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It's just something that Ipicked up.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (04:38):
Both instances could have went either
direction and At the end of theday, They followed the, the
letter of the law with one thingand that little bit of
indiscretion around the otherone, so.
Oh, well.

And for any Raiders fans that are
still upset about it on aThursday, nearly a week after
Zach is setting up a helplinebecause he's a cowboy supporter
and he truly believes inconspiracies and he's lived and
breathed that for a long time.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (05:05):
I've lived through many conspiracies
over the year.
I'm still, dreading that seventackle set from Cronulla a few
years back and

So if you just, oh one 800 not my
fault.
Zach will answer and he'll talkyou through it and he,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (05:19):
more recently, the Parramatta Ford
Pass.
So I'm sure Clint Gustonremembers that one.

I've seen through the week?
I was just flicking throughFacebook and a video come up,
but in one of the, NFL games,'cause they've been doing a lot
at the, the.
WNBA where they've been throwingthe dildos on the court, but
someone threw a big, brightyellow dildo onto the field and
they've put it up as a flagbecause they've got the yellow

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flag that they throw when theyget a penalty.
I just piss myself laughing.
It was just big, big yellow cockrun flying through the air.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (05:54):
Well, it could have been worse, could
have landed on a helmet and theycould have looked like a
unicorn.

the-incoherent-podcast_2 (05:59):
That's I was reading the comments on
Facebook going through, theyjust laughing about it and
that's what someone said.
They're like, that game's gonnaend as soon as someone throws it
and it lands on a helmet and,and it suctions to it.
It just so good.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (06:12):
are real.

Yeah, just imagine that.
Another thing that I noticedthis week is in Saudi Arabia,
they're organizing a, flagfootball tournament.
And looks like Tom Brady's gonnabe competing along with Gronk
and a few older players andstuff like that.
So I guess they're trying topump up flag football for the

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Olympics.
'cause the next Olympics is inLA and that's the one of the
sports that they put forward tothe committee that got approved.
And yeah.
So it's not NFL, but it's sortof coming to the Olympics.
What it, what do you reckon?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200 (06:50):
Something different.
I guess it's, yeah, they're,bringing a few big names to it,
so they're, they're really

Well

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (06:58):
it.

if there.
It's obviously it's been put inthere, it's something for
America to win.
Like that's the only thing Idon't see any other country
competing with it because wejust don't have the knowledge of
the game in that context.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (07:15):
Can't be too much different.
Aust.

a little bit different unless
we've got like a really goodultimate Frisbee team, which is
basically the same thing.
So

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (07:24):
Well.

sort of

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (07:26):
Yeah, little bit different, but yeah.

When it comes to Australia into
Brisbane, surely cricket's.
The first one has to be,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (07:38):
I was only thinking about this, in
recent times, whether we can putcricket forward,

well, cricket's, the second biggest
sport in the world.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (07:47):
yeah, we, going back to as I was
growing up, playing a bit ofcricket and the old 10 over
comp.
'cause as you know, the Olympicshas got a timeframe, so unless
you're

It'll, it'll be T 20.
It'll be a 2020.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (08:03):
it'll be T 20.
But even, even those games that

can you fit it into two weeks
though?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (08:10):
That's what I'm getting at.
Like do you Yeah.
How do you fit that in, like

I don't I

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (08:15):
it again and go to a 10 over
competition.

What about the hundred over
competition?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (08:21):
Uh, yeah.
Well I've never got too muchinto the a

Well, it's not a hundred over.
It's a hundred balls, isn't it?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200 (08:27):
something like Yeah.

They have

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (08:29):
Yeah.

a hundred deliveries.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (08:31):
I'm traditional cricket through and
through love test match cricketand we spoke about this not too
long ago.
And I can sit there from openingball day one Boxing Day test

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (08:44):
and not leave the lounge other than
the go get something to eat orgo to the toilet and just be
enthralled by the game.

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (08:55):
I love test match cricket.

yeah.
it's all the drama dramatics,the buildup, the strategies.
I'm the same, I was saying toyou earlier, I watched a one day
test when I was younger,Australia, India, watching Adam
Gilchrist, and he just floggedthree balls straight over the
ball of his head for six at theend of the game.
And that's what got me intriguedwith cricket.

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I didn't know much aboutcricket.
I probably know more.
Well, I'll know more now thanwhat I used to, but then it was
all right, yeah, T 20 was juststarting out after that.
Yeah, this is pretty cool.
It's nice and quick.
I don't have to sit around fordays'cause I did not understand
test cricket.
But once I started understandingtest cricket and watching a bit
more of it, I fell in love withit.
So, test cricket's.

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My favorite form of it as well,I understand the need for the
shorter form of the game, thebig dash is a good thing.
Heaps of people go and watch it.
it's a weekly thing and it'seasier to, it fills that void
over summer in Australia anyway.
Most people watch it, but,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (09:53):
That's

Hmm.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (09:54):
it's a big money grab for all countries
all over the

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (09:58):
Even the players, because the players
get paid an absolute Mozart togo and pay te 10 and cricket

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (10:05):
all over the place.
And they, yeah, IPL that's a bigone for a lot of Australians.
They head

IP is massive.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (10:13):
yeah, give me test match cricket, in
saying that, it did love me oneday as two, but yeah, it just,
it was a different game whentest match cricket was in play.
I had just had that differentfeel about it.
it,

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (10:30):
yeah.

Yeah, I do like it and the ashes are
coming up this year coming backto Australia, and I'm looking
forward to it.
It gets a bit hard for someonelike me that's probably not
fully committed to it to watchit when it's on in England, but
I still pay attention to it.
It's just one of those thingsthat's just iconic.
And the thing with the Rugbyleague ashes is, I don't think

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it's quite got that.
It hasn't got the same thingaround it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (10:56):
no.
No, it's,

I understand why they're trying to
do it, keep it a tradition andall of that.
I understand why they're doingit.
They're doing the tour thing'cause that's what they used to
do.
What used to work well.
I don't know if the generationnow relates to that quite as
much as what they think theymight.
I think it's more for olderpeople.
I find people our age andyounger would much rather see a

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competition like the PacificNations won, but include
England., That's where it makesit hard.
You've got three tier onenations that have to play each
other and you know, there's alot between the other teams.
But we can, we can talk aboutthe tier stuff.
I believe that come next yearwe'll be talking that they've

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deleted the tier stuff andyou'll have New Zealand players
born in Australia.
Lived in Australia, that'll beplaying state of origin.
Think that's what they, theythink that's the track they're
gonna go down.
I, I have my own feelings aboutit.
I don't actually have that muchof a problem with it.
I know that people think if youplay for New South Wales, you
play for Queensland, you shouldplay for Australia.

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It already doesn't happen, so,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (12:08):
Yeah, I, I've always said since day
one that you make yourselfeligible to play state of birth
New South Wales or Queensland, Ithink.
Australia should be your firstchoice.
But I also understand thateveryone that plays Origin
decides that they wanna play forAustralia.

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Australia's gonna keep winningeverything

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (12:33):
that that's the best of the best
playing origin,

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (12:36):
then they're gonna back up for
Australia.
But I

And

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (12:39):
that

it's not because, it's not because
I'm not supporting Australiaeither.
I want to see InternationalRugby League grow.
'cause it's the only way thatyou're gonna grow
internationally is if you havea, if you have a close
competition, that's gonna grow alot more than what it will if
you just put all the driggs anddrags into these other teams,
let these other teams build.
Most of these other teams don'thave that much money to be

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playing players, to entice'em togo.
And that's why the whole Tonga,some other things a really good
thing because other players aregoing playing for their heritage
and, it'll work out so muchbetter.
How much would use Zealand getback if some of their players
that pick the play forAustralia, just because they
played state of origin, they canget back.
That boosts the New Zealandteam.
Not that the New Zealand teamshould be that bad and they're

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not, but it just makes it moreinteresting.
It's not like, oh yeah,Australia's gonna win.
They don't always win, butthey've had it too easy for way
too long.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (13:33):
Do you change the whole origin aspect
and I mean, not the whole originaspect.
I mean, you change when it'splayed and we've, the NRL gonna
expand in the future, possiblyonly play each well, each team
only play once against, and thenhave that shut down in the

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middle when the normal originperiod is, and have an
international break of afortnight.

Yeah, I know, I know that they do that
thing in soccer.
I'm not, I'm not a big fan ofthe International break, but I'm
also not a fan of putting Originat the end of the season again.
'cause you'll just end up lasttime where they have time off to
fix injuries and stuff likethat.
'cause first and foremost, yourCub Clubs paint paying.
So your club.
Should come first.

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'cause that's where your moneyand your income comes from.
Like I understand the want toplay for, play for your country,
want to play for your state, butit just gets a little bit too
much.
The way that the rounds are setup now, it's way too long to
include too much.
You can go and do this Asheseries at the end, or if they
throw a World Cup in there,players are basically not
getting any time off.

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They're coming back frompreseason late and you're
affecting your product.
But the NLS affecting theirproduct by playing these players
too long.
Because that's what, that's whatbroadcasters pay for.
They wanna pay for the best ofthe best.
And fans wanna watch the best ofthe best.
And the longer that you do it,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (15:02):
that broadcasting that that's all
their, investments.
They want a return on theirinvestment.

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (15:08):
but I just think personal opinion.
Yeah.
And having that, even thatinternational break or that
origin period

I think,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (15:20):
and you, you still then finish your
football or your NRL at Octoberlong weekend

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (15:29):
here in New South Wales, you're still
starting around that same time.
Maybe week or difference at thestart of the season you gotta do
something to make it allinclusive.
'cause otherwise, season's gonnakeep dragging on.
Players aren't gonna wanna playbecause they've got those little
niggling injuries and they wannabe ready for the following

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (15:50):
So you're affecting the, that, that
postseason, the internationalsor the origin or however they go
ahead with it.
But

yeah.
I, I think you can shorten therounds to 19 if you had 20
teams, if you went with 20teams.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (16:07):
each each other once.

that you could add more teams later
in the future and then you canextend it.
But that opens up the back halfof the season so that players
can go play state of origin andthen you can move on to, you
know, specific cups or Pacifictrophies or whatever you wanted
to do.
You can do that sort of stuff.
I'm just not a fan of themid-season break.

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I'm not saying it wouldn't workyou probably could do that.
You could have state of originand then the international
players playing like they hadbefore three consecutive weeks.
Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (16:38):
quite easily work, especially with
clubs.
When you look at clubs thisyear, I'll use this year as an
example, so many clubs had wherewith so many injuries in that
middle period, if you had a twoweek shutdown where there was no
club, football has two extraweeks of rest and rehab gets

(17:03):
those players back on thepaddock quicker.

Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't like the idea of the, ofbreaking it up in the middle of
a season.
'cause I think the season needsto be continuous, but I do
understand the benefits of it.
And, and really I'm happyeither, either way.
The more that otherinternational teams play each
other, the stronger they'regonna get and get more familiar.

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And a coach can actually buildon the team They can actually
build some influence and havethem wanna play for'em anyway.
I've, I've got heaps of weirdideas like the NRL looking to
buy the Super League.
Does that mean that you couldsplit Super League into a
Northern Hemisphere conferenceand NRL into a Southern

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Hemisphere conference, two grandfinals.
You still have the Grand Final.
You still have that two weekslater play in the Super Bowl and
the week before that, you gofrom the teams that aren't
playing in that game, the play,the best of the best players
that aren't playing in thatgame.
And you have a Super League NRLAll Stars game where everybody's
all inclusive.

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you can still do the indigenousand Maori game as well.
You can still do that.
I'm a big fan of the way that itis.
It had clear up all of thisbullshit with the change of the
schedule that they've got wherethey've changed the, the
preliminary finals to a Fridayand a Sunday to avoid the A FL
Grand Final.

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You have that week off afterthat.
Nobody's complained about howmuch time they've got off.
They've had plenty of time.
And in that week before, you canplay it.
You can have a NRL festival inSydney, Brisbane, you can do
other things.
You can still play, you couldplay the New South Wales Cup
versus Queensland Cup.
'cause that's all, that's allthat I'm trying to trying to say

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is you've got, that's basicallywhat it is.
Queensland Cup, new South WalesCup.
Then they play in a, in a superfinal.
That's all it is.
It's the same thing.
it generates more revenue forNRL and Super League and you
alternate each year where theygo.
I don't, I don't see the problemwith it.
I know there'd be some peoplethat do see a problem with it,

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but even in the Super League, itgives them their, their own sort
of state of origin type thing.
You, they're still pickingAustralian players to play with
some of those English playersand it gives them more
development and more experiencewith players that are more
experienced with them and it'lljust grow the game a lot like

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Super League.
every year it seems like theywant to change the rules and the
competition and they've just gotno idea what they want.
They're going in and into aboard meeting to decide what
teams play next year becauseSouthford shit, the bed couldn't
pay their players, and nowthey're trying to decide to
expand on that.
I don't think that's the timeyou should be expanding on it.
I understand that people wanttheir team in the Super league.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (19:52):
No, it's a different take on it.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (19:56):
and I do, I quite like the idea of a
All Stars game.

Super League and NRL All Stars There's
some good English players.
You only have to look at theones that come out here.
They're good.
I know that they've taken a fewback with frigging Radley and
Brisson, they get all stuck upabout the eligibility of playing
for New South Wales, Queensland.

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Just because Briston hasn't beenpicked for Queensland in not
even that many years.
What was it been like?
Four?
It was only about four yearsago.
He played for Queensland,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (20:31):
Yeah.

so he decided I'll just go play for
England.
What?
What's the difference?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (20:36):
the whole eligibility thing, I
think.
And it has been discussed fromthe NRL higher ups that it will
be a big discussion in the offseason.
So We'll, stay tuned with thatone.
'cause that one will be a bigtalking point during the off
season.

So I think we jump into this week's
sports wrap.
So this week on the sports wrap,we'll go through the NL finals
first.
I think.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (21:04):
Yeah, a few big games.
As we briefly touched on,weather game over in New
Zealand, like I said, They livedup to a finals game Warriors
unlucky back end of the season.
The bow out of this year's finalseries.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (21:23):
Credit depend if where they were at the
start of this year, nobodywould've thought that they'd be
playing finals football.
And yeah, they're just gonnahave to do it the hard way going
from here still, but yeah.

I think it's a little bit of
fatigue though.
They didn't play the World ClubChallenge last year, so did they
play it the year before?
I think they did.
And they got beat by winging.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (21:51):
Yeah,

Yeah.
So even with that game out, it,it's a long season for all those
players, got little nigginjuries and stuff like that.
It's.

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (22:01):
hundred percent.
I don't think the dynasty'sover, they could get knocked out

Nah, it's, it's far from over.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (22:12):
I pains me to say it because I
don't want the same team in thefinal Every year wanna see the
close ladder that we had thisyear.
We've got multiple teams, sorry,battling for that grand final
spot,

Yeah, I think, I think most people are
the same.
They don't wanna just see thesame team playing every time and
winning, but it also brings thatintrigue for that team that does
beat them.
You're still gonna tune inbecause you wanna see that other
team beat them, whether ithappens this year or not.
I'd be very surprised if Penrithwin again this year.
To, to be completely honest,after watching that Canberra

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Broncos game, they're by far thestandout teams.
If Canberra can back it up thisweekend with that extra time and
the short turnaround, I, Ibelieve they can, I think they
can beat the sharks.
What do you reckon?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (23:10):
I think they can, I think they'll
bounce back after thedisappointment.
That'll be, that'll be eatenaway at those players and
they'll use that as fuel forthis weekend.
But I will not write theSharkies off.
I said last week they couldhave, could have went out
against the roosters, but thesharkies, they didn't quite have

(23:34):
as hard of a game, I believe ofthat Brisbane Canberra game, I
think that's gonna

No.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (23:43):
a lot of.
A lot of physical and mentaldrain on those players.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (23:49):
we've seen in the past where the teams
that have caught that big impactof a game that they've bowed out
the following week.

the-incoherent-podcast_ (23:57):
They've got a little bit there.
Well, I had'em in the bottomeight.
I think I had'em close to thespoon at the beginning of the
year.
I'm not gonna say that.
I definitely did.
'cause I can't back that up.
'cause we didn't have a podcastthen.
But I, I didn't have'em in theeight.
I didn't see'em doing anything.
It's just come from nowhere.
And I think most people haveseen that.
And I think that Ricky will have'em up for it this weekend.

(24:18):
And I think they're gonna beangry.
They're not gonna be very happyand they're gonna prove everyone
wrong They again.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (24:23):
a hundred percent.
They'll be angry withthemselves.
Yeah, as we've seen in the past,teams that concede 50 points in
the normal season, don't go onto win it.
So

Yeah, well,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (24:36):
and gentlemen,

well in the NRL era, no one's won
five in a row before.
So

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (24:42):
first for everything I guess.

yeah.
Records are meant to be broken.,But on that, on that Shark's
roosters game though, I said toyou a little bit earlier,'cause
I, I don't see the hype aroundWalker as a halfback, I think, I
think he's just trick playingnearly every play.
There's no buildup to anything.

(25:06):
There's no turning the screws,there's none of that.
And SE Villa's only a rookie.
he was playing six the otherday, but se Villa's boot
probably helped out more thananything.
But it's good when it comes off,but you need that player that's
a bit more calming, can run theteam.
And I don't think Walker's quitethat person.
And if DCA ends up at theBrewsters, which, or reports he

(25:28):
will, it's probably gonna helpin the game management thing for
him.
But I don't think he's quitethere.
I don't think I'd want him atthe Knights.
And the Knights need all thehelp they can get.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (25:37):
you being night supporter should be
right behind Harbor Bridge Passbecause he just floated sand and
Smith down the highway to you.

Yeah, well, he's not gonna be playing
halfback, I can tell you thatright now.
Well, I hope not.
I like going through commentsand stuff.
I don't understand why peoplewanna move lector sharp back to
the wing.
Honestly, he needs to be in themiddle of the field.
He's not going back to fullback.
PGA will be the fullback.
The only way that that's gonnachange is if PGA leaves and if

(26:07):
PGA leaves, then we're lookingfor a hooker, not a half bat, I
think.
I honestly believe FletcherSharp is at the right age and
with the right training and allof that.
He could be anything.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (26:19):
A hundred percent.

and someone pointed out to me the
other day that he reminds him ofKurt Gidley because of his
versatility and his enthusiasmand all that.
And that's a hundred percentcorrect.
And I think that's why I canrelate to him so well.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (26:32):
I don't disagree.
And Ability that Fletcher's gotin the future as he grows and
start, he feeling out.
He's only gonna get better.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (26:44):
game will get better.
His control of the game will getbetter.

it ti ti got the Knights player of
the year the other day, theDanny Badest medal or whatever
it is, and

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (26:53):
if he was Fletcher shut, missed half a

so that, that's what I mean.
Up until Fletch got injured, hewas the best player on that
field every week.
He hasn't let anyone down there.
He hasn't given anyone reason tomove him out of the halves.
I think he's been a brilliantfive eight.
He started to do a little bit ofkicking.
He started to do a little bit ofball playing.
He's always there in support.
He's wasted on the wing

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (27:16):
I think that having Fletch in and
around the halves be good.
Smith going there is only gonnagive you his more depth'cause he
does have that ability to jumpinto the halves.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (27:29):
it will be interesting to see how
Dylan Brown goes because I, Ibelieve he's a six.

I don't believe that brown's half
back.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (27:37):
and I would not be surprised if
Holbrooks doesn't trial at somepoint.
Fletcher at seven.
Brown at six.

I think Fletcher seven will be
from the start.
I think that's what the Knightshave in plan and Yeah.
And they've got sand in there ifeverything goes wrong, you
can't, that's, that's somethinggoing off if those players are a
hundred percent fit and thenthey're fighting for their
positions, but Right.
Justin Holbrook announced as theKnights coach.

(28:11):
I'm happy with the decision.
I can see that a lot of otherKnight fans aren't because, oh,
he didn't do so good at the, hedidn't get given enough time at
the Titans.
He's from Newcastle.
He's, he played five games inNewcastle.
it's not that big of a deal,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (28:25):
no,

but,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (28:27):
I.

but I think, I believe that these,
these coaches, they get sackedfrom a club.
People think, oh no, we, they'rejust, they're not real good.
They learn from themexperiences.
Adam O'Brien will learn how todo things.
The next club that he goes to,he wants a break from head
coaching.
He'll go and assist for a bit,and when he is ready to put his
hand up again, he'll put hishand up again.

(28:48):
And he would've learned from thewhole experience, it's not gonna
be wasted on him.
He would've learned from it whatwent well, what didn't go well.
And the same thing will be fromHolbrook.
He's got an outstanding recordin the Super League.
He's been an assistant at theRoosters.
He helped the Titans.
Last time the Titans playedfinals was with Hol Brew.

(29:08):
And I think that people justneed to give him a chance.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (29:11):
they were also fighting for that
last, I think they were fightingfor eighth in Holbrook's last
season, and they only missed outon for and against,

yeah, yeah.
I Too far back.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (29:27):
it, it is just going back to the, the
finals, in the Melbourne Doggiesgame.
Another, another brutal top fourclash.
Oh, kick you outta eye socket.
You've gotta be feeling thatone.

Yeah, no, that is one thing that
coming outta that game was a lotof injuries to the Bulldogs who
have to play next week.
They don't get that extra weekto rest their players or
anything like that.
So, pride's gonna be a big loss,hopefully.
He's not gone for the wholeseason.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200 (29:58):
Creighton done well to, to muscle through
that pain and last as long as hedid.

Yeah, no, he that, that's what you
want from a player though.
He's come from Penrith and Luidoes the same thing.
He's come to this new teamtrying to build something and
bought into something and bringall the other players with him.
That's the right attitude tohave.
He's not just going there for apayday or anything like that.
He's taken his experience and hewants to help people.
Creighton Creighton is anunbelievable player and I, to

(30:27):
start with, when he first gotpicked for Origin, it confused
me and then after I startedwatching him more and more, I
un, I, I get it.
I get why he's so good.
I get why he hasn't been movedto fullback otherwise.
You're having the same argumentthat you having with Latrell
Mitchell.
Should he be at fullback orshould he be at Center?
Latrell is best positionedcenter.
He dominate that every time he'sput there, but he is also a very

(30:50):
good fullback.
It's just that the s have towork out whether they want Ja
Gray there or they want Latrellthere.
And it'll be up to whetherMitchell wants him to be
fullback or if he wants to becenter as to whether he stays at
the ose or goes and findselsewhere.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (31:04):
Well,

Ja Gray got the player of the year
the other day.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (31:08):
think s have also gotta look go, hang
on a minute.
We know you a world cast player,Rell, but you also play for us.
And for us to fit both ears intothis squad dry gra our number
one at the moment.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (31:29):
But yeah, back to Melbourne Bulldogs
and yeah, talking to the othernight when the game is on, Jonah
has it,

the-incoherent-po (31:38):
Unbelievable.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (31:40):
which is the club that's gonna throw
most amount of money to get himoutta that Melbourne system

Bears.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (31:47):
get him there.

The bears have to,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (31:50):
to Bears.

think they, I think they should.
I don't necessarily think theywill.
They might go down theexperience side of things, but I
said to you the other night, thedolphins went and got Q and
that's worked out pretty wellfor them.
Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (32:04):
yeah, that's right.
And I said, you as well that I,if Melbourne, and this is.
Just my opinion that Melbournemoved Munster on and let Munster
go to Perth, was a big talk herea couple months ago, and they

(32:25):
persisted and kept peasant toplay beside Hughes, as Hughes
phases out and retires, peasanttakes over that team, I would
not be disappointed with itbecause the way he played the
other night, why he hasn't beenplaying seven more often.

Yeah, I think Pez, it's gonna be a,
he's gonna be a Cleary typeplayer.
He was con, he hasn't, he hasn'tgot that many NRL games under
his belt, and he just played ina finals game that, and
controlled it, kicking, passing,directed it, done everything
perfectly that you could askfrom a halfback.

(33:04):
And he's only very young.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (33:06):
yeah.

It just, it'll just depend on who's
beside him.
So usually when you look athalves and stuff, it's very easy
to go, oh, they're a six, justlike brown.
He's a seven.
And I don't know how that fitswith Hugh's still being there.
If he can go to six.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (33:21):
Well, I

If Pez, it can go to six.
'cause you're not taking thehalfback roll from Hughes.
that's the only downside I cansee to it.
You don't wanna undo all of thisthat he can do by putting him at
six and having a laid back sortof role.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (33:34):
I think

He can con

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (33:35):
Bellamy is the type of coach that he
could have Pza and Hughes in thesame side,

Yeah, he'd be able to develop it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (33:45):
could both pick their moments to
control or play that supportrole, I

I, I don't,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (33:54):
of

I don't think you can do that in a
game plan.
I don't think you can have them.
Oh yeah, you take this one typething.
I think you need one half.
It's their team.
They run the team and then theother one plays off the back of
it.
And I think,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (34:05):
you, but I think.

I think that player has to be
hugs.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (34:08):
The bellamy's, the type of coach.
And he's changed so manydifferent tactics over the years
that I

I.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (34:15):
he could be the coach to do it

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (34:18):
because both Pza and Hughes can take the
line on as that ball runningsupport role.

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (34:27):
And if the game, some games, people are
gonna target Hughes a bit more'cause he's that more
controlling half, that's whenPza could take that little bit
of relief off him.

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (34:39):
And that the only, if Munster moved
on, I think, I don't know whatMunster's plans are, but

yeah.
Just

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (34:46):
other big talk

he might just stay.
It's those sort of players.
Melbourne don't generally let goof them.
It was only because Cronk wantedto go that he went.
It was only because GI offeredto go because of the salary cap
stuff that he went.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (35:02):
Yeah.

It's, they lose the odd forward and
that that wants anotheropportunity.
B.
Brendan Smith wanted anopportunity to play hooker with
Harry Grant coming through.,They don't lose many players and
they make better players out ofwhat they gain.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (35:16):
That's right.
another left field thought RyanPap moves on.

Yeah.
Or

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (35:24):
could, could p play one.

no?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (35:28):
Don't think

I don't think Pez plays one, but
they do have, is it for Longo?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (35:34):
Yeah.

Yeah.
They got Fullon go there.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200 (35:37):
Something

he'll be an unreal fullback.
He'll probably suit that stylereally well.
But we also, dunno how longCraig Bellamy's got left.
Like every year he is, oh, I'mnot playing, last year.
And then he goes again and thenhe goes again.
And

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (35:50):
Yeah.

you know, to all those people out
there that when your team goesand selects a coach.
'cause obviously I've had toread the comments and stuff
about what people like us thinkshould be the coach.
I'm a little bit more laid backthan people.
I'm not gonna say it's a shitdecision.
I'm gonna back them.
Craig Bellamy is, was a, when hefirst started, he applied for

(36:13):
the Canberra job and they wentAdam Elliot over him, simply
because Craig Bellamy didn'tinterview well, never coached
before.
Adam Elliot had experience.
Then Melbourne picked him up andgave a chance on him.
Pretty sure that's worked outpretty well for Melbourne.
If Craig Bellamy isn't the bestcoach ever, I'm, I think he's, I

(36:35):
think he's covered Bennett

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (36:37):
yeah, I think Bellamy's done it with.

the-incoherent-podcas (36:43):
Bennett's stunt Bennett's coach for a very
long time.
But yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (36:47):
lesser players, but he hasn't had the
quality of players that Brisbanehad during that 90 system

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (36:55):
when Yeah.

The NR, when the A RL and Super
League merged and it was alittle bit,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (37:01):
was unstoppable through that
nineties and early twothousands, Brisbane had all but
the Australian squad there.

yeah.
Where me Melbourne just grabbedthose players, that people,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (37:16):
got a knack for picking up clubs,
rejects

yeah.
Well, it's not necessarily thatthey're rejects.
I'd just say that clubs couldn'tget the most out of them, and
Craig, Dylan just has, all theplayers in the NRL are talented.
You don't just get there withouttalent.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (37:33):
Yeah.
But have still rejected andthat's

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (37:36):
I'm trying to get at.
Craig Bellamy has just got thatact of being able to Yeah.
To get it out of him.
and he'll keep on doing thatright up until he finishes up.

Yeah.
Yeah.
And while we're on the coachthing, I've seen a lot of people
that say, oh, Holbrook, Holbrookdidn't do much with the Titans
and he can't coach Magic McGuireand Ricky Stewart both caught
the same thing when they gotsack from their clubs.
It's not that.
And they just produced the twoteams that played probably one

(38:11):
of the best finals time finalsgames that we've seen in a very
long time.
Like that intent that'll standout for a long time.
And while I'm on that ReeseWalsh, after he come back from
that bin and absolutely TorqueCanberra apart, Reese Walsh won
that game for Brisbane, handsdown.

(38:31):
That is, that is one of the bestindividual performances I've
seen for a very long time.
I didn't think he had it in him.
I thought he had too muchstupidity in him to actually,
but he controlled that game andhe wasn't letting go.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (38:45):
I read an article that carried in,
yeah.
Had an interview and there's noTVs or whatnot in the dressing
sheds there at Canberra.
And all they'd done for thoseseven or eight minutes that they
were both in there together wasjust to talk about how they were
gonna turn this game around andYeah.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (39:09):
But I'm just wondering, did, did
they have fresh toilets in thesheds and Reese Walsh got a top
up?

I dunno.
I seen a funny meme today offrigging Reese's Plumbing.
Was frigging Reese Welsh there?
That was pretty funny.
But.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (39:23):
Yeah, I was having a discussion with
another mate the other day andyeah, he was off to Reese and I
said, oh, you are, you gonna gethis autograph out?
And yeah, we both had a bit of achuckle about the same thing.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (39:35):
use him as a, poster boy.

Yeah.
All right.
We'll move on to the next thing.
seen on Fox Sports the otherday.
I heard it come up a couple oftimes since then, but the a FL
are trying to implement theirown state of origin series
again, and it hasn't been playedsince 1999.
I, I would love to see it takeoff.
I don't know if it quite workswith a FL or not.

(39:58):
It's good to see a FL are tryingto implement this sort same,
their own sort of,representative season.
you can play a whole sport andyou, you go and play a made up
sport against the island everyyear's.
A little bit underwhelming forme.
I, you'd, you'd want to play forAustralia.
The thing that you're good at,really wouldn't you?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (40:17):
It's not really a

And

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (40:19):
up sport, but

don't judge me on it's.
I don't follow much a FL becauseI've, it's time restricted.
I don't hate a FL.
I used to watch the end of theNRL games on Thursdays and that,
or Friday nights and I'd flickover, watch the last quarter of
an A FL game and then flick overand watch the golf before I went
to bed.
I don't, I don't hate it like aFL Grand final.

(40:41):
I watch every year when I can.
I'm not necessarily gonna takework off for it, but which it
falls when I'm working thisyear, I think.
Yeah, I'm on night shift.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (40:53):
Yeah, I can, I can see where the AFL's
coming from and how they want tobuild their sport.
I just think the end of the day,the true state of origin lies in
rugby league, but.
We will, we'll see how it pansout.
They, they, they have tried itbefore, wasn't quite successful.

(41:15):
So I guess if, if it's doneproperly and the fans can get
behind it, and that's a bigthing, getting the fin behind it

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (41:24):
that support, then it can, it can go
ahead and take off.

I'm gonna be intrigued to watch it
and intrigued to see what theoutcome is from it and what the
FI's reaction is to it.
And if there is anyone listeningthat knows a FLA little bit
better than what we do, whatare, what are your thoughts on
it?
'cause I wanna know fromsomebody that actually follows a
FL, whether or not it's a goodthing or not.
Obviously in the US in Rugbyleague, it's a good thing and it
always will be, and it's kind ofa headache at the same time

(41:50):
because you've gotta findsomewhere to put that in the, in
the, in the calendar and it,it's disruptive, but it's too
good of a thing to let go of.
So.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (42:00):
I, I haven't read too much into how,
whether it's gonna be a seriesor a one-off game, but I think
for, for those that don't a FLall the time, it may draw to
come and watch it

It is definitely gonna, it's
definitely gonna grab people tosee.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (42:18):
it.
That's right.
It's gonna be on a bigger scale

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (42:22):
normal weekend.
Sydney Swans

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (42:26):
but yeah, like, I said, ne neither
of us, I mean, I've played it atschool to

I played a FL once and I hated it
because I didn't know,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (42:37):
out of the classroom, but

I also played three games of rugby
Union time and I didn't likethat either, so I was bored.
bored.
I wish we had played at schoolwhen we had that team before we
didn't.
I was playing fly half.
I also working on those dropoutsthere.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (42:54):
Yeah.
Well, it's speak.
I kicking the footy around thekids, the aravo and the youngest
fell.
He's asked me to drop, kick theball, and I, I actually can't
drop kick a football anymore.
I was very disappointed.

(43:15):
I, shanked it straight off theside of the

I,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (43:18):
off it went, and,

I was actually surprised, that
couple of years ago when I triedto come back and play footy at
the wrong age.
just to train and I was justgoal kicking just for fun.
'cause I used to be all rightwhen I was younger.
I was surprised I could still doit like really well.
So, but

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (43:38):
Well,

said to you before, that's probably
what my fascination with golfis.
Just like the strike and, youknow, all of that.
That's why I love playing golfand yeah, I turned to Amanda
down yesterday.
She offered to pay for a roundof golf yesterday morning, and
I'm just.
Didn't want to, probably shouldhave took that.
It's not very often your wifepays for you to play a game of

(43:59):
golf.
So,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (44:01):
No, they don't.

just quickly on the NFL, the Kansas
City Chiefs play thePhiladelphia Eagles in the Super
Bowl rematch, which doesn'tactually happen very often'cause
they've got the two conferences.
They don't normally play eachother that often.
So it's only happened 11 timessince the implementation of the
Super Bowl.
They got beat by Philadelphia.

(44:25):
and largely to the thing you arenot gonna know about and you're
probably gonna laugh at me.
The tush push, which is a thing,the tush push.
So it's controversial in.
In the NFL people, they, theyvoted on it in March to see
whether or not it should bebanned.
And basically what they've doneis they get the, they get the

(44:47):
quarterback up behind theoffensive linesmen right close
to the line.
So when they lock a yard out andthey basically pack a scrum and
push him in an overt and otherteams cannot stop it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (45:00):
Surely they could come up with a better
name.

That's what they call it.
They call it cush push.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (45:05):
Push,

I think they should just call it a
scrum, but whatever.
it's coming too.
It's not, it's not even likethey hide that they're doing it,
that it's coming and they dunnohow to stop it.
I, I've got an idea of maybegetting out a lot lower, but I
don't know how you do stop it.
And that's why they tried to, tobe in it, but they got the votes
from all the clubs to keep it.
And Philadelphia are still theonly team that do it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (45:29):
Yeah.
And I mean, you do whatever youcan to score the points to win
the game, but I, I think theycould up with a better,

Oh, I think, I think that's come
from, that's probably come fromcommentators just pulling it a
push push because it's basicallythe same thing.
They, they get in behind thequarterback and they push him,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (45:51):
it's probably a better scrum than the
NRL.
That's probably the biggestdownfall that NRL has been one
of my biggest pet hates eversince they Being able to
actually push in a scrum.
I, they, anyway,

you know, they,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (46:09):
day.
That one.

But you can still push in a scrum.
They just don't do it.
But it's not beneficial.
But I also don't understand whythey don't use trick plays in
NRL off scrums.
'cause that's when you've gothalf the team.
Is in the middle of the fieldand you've got the rest of the
field and you should really domore with that.
So

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (46:27):
towards the, back towards the start of
this season, you've seen a lotmore of the clubs try it, but

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (46:34):
the, of the times the players would
see that and that's when they'dmake their own mistake, they'd
drop the ball,

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (46:43):
so they just, it was a lot easier
to Yeah.

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (46:47):
you'll, I've noticed that they try and
use those smaller, quickerblokes like the Reese Walshes,
Scotty drink waters to try anduse that speed and

yeah.
Get out.
Get out beside,

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (47:00):
outside

outside him and throw the ball.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (47:02):
Yeah.
that, I guess you, especially inthe attacking third, you wanna
try and hold onto the ball, Iguess, and

Yeah.
And I did get to see a littlebit of NFL this weekend.
I was watching, oh, we'rerecording on a Tuesday.
So I was watching the Buccaneersand the Texans playing today.
And, the Buccaneers being yourteam, baker Mayfield, their
quarterback.
I've only watched him play aboutthree games the whole time I've
been watching it.
And every single time he seemsto find a way in the nine

(47:33):
seconds of a quarter in thefourth quarter to win a game for
their, for his team.
just absolutely unbelievable.
And I don't understand if anyoneunderstands NFL.
Can you tell me why people hateBaker Mayfield so much?
I know he was a Heisman Trophywinner in college, which is a
dem in college football, Isuppose, the top gong.
And he goes to a team, he getsmoved to another team, then

(47:56):
moved to another team, and nowhe's found a home at the barks.
It's a good pickup for the box.
'cause he, he's a really goodplayer.
I dunno if it's the playersaround him that's the problem.
Or if it's something to do withhim.
But I just think he'sunbelievable to watch.
He's fun to watch.
I don't know that much.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (48:14):
Yeah.
And yeah, you said that theBucky has been my team.
They're my team because that'sjust who I used to choose I
played on the PlayStation.
I don't actually follow too muchof the NFL to actually have a
team,

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (48:31):
when I play NFL

Madden.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (48:34):
on the, yeah, Madden, that's how it
all started

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (48:38):
It was always Buccaneers or Patriots
that I'd choose.
So

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (48:42):
yeah, Buccaneers is where I stopped.
I guess it

Just embrace it.
Just embrace it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (48:50):
Yeah.

Like I said, it works out well for
us.
'cause one's on a FC and one'son the NFC, we can play each
other in a, super Bowl.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (48:59):
well you could lose the Super Bowl
anyway.

It won't be this year.
much happened in the a PL thisweek.
You pay more attention to EPLthan what all do.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (49:09):
A lot of draws this week in the EPL.
but I mean, I guess that's,soccer is just so a lot of teams
are evenly balanced

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (49:18):
sort of the top, top 5, 6, 7 squads.
There's, yeah, it's so, even,so, it was just one of those
rounds, but

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (49:29):
yeah.
Manchester stays blue, so that'salways a plus.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (49:35):
We don't want those Red Devils
winners.

I felt sorry for Angie's first,
his first game in charge offorest and.
It comes up against Arsenal.
That's a bit of a, a tough task,but hopefully another week with
the team and can turn it aroundpretty quickly.
I don't, what I don't understandis that apparently he already
knew that this was gonna happenbefore the season started.

(49:57):
Well not do it at the start ofthe season, but before the,
before there's a ball evenkicked.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (50:02):
yeah, it happens in all sports.
We, we see it through everyseason this NRL season, actually
quite surprising that we wentrounds before a coach got
sacked.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (50:17):
but yeah, it, it does make sense to
do it five weeks ago before theseason kicked off over there.
Give s the ranges be leadinginto the season.
but yeah, for him to come upagainst an arsenal, his first,
first game.
Yeah, it's, it's a tough one.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (50:38):
the gunners they've been building
over the last few years, andit'd be to see how far they can
go with it.
I mean, they've been close thelast couple of years, but

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (50:50):
it will see where they finish this
year.

yeah.
Well hopefully liver ball willjust keep winning and I'll be
happy.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (50:59):
Well, no.
The, the scouters can, can lose.

Yeah.
Well I think that that's justabout everything we've got for
the sports, right?
Did you have anything else?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (51:09):
Nah, no, that's, yeah, that, that's
pretty Well it, cricket season'sapproaching, so over the next
couple of weeks, we'll, we'llstart delving into the, the Big
Bash and the upcoming Ashesseries.
So

You are thunder, aren't you?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (51:25):
Yeah.
Sydney Thunder.
a few disappointing years.
Last year wasn't too bad, but,yeah.

It's always like, been strange to me.
Why can't, Canberra, Newcastle,Townsville, I'm sure there's
other places further down south.
Why can't they have teams?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (51:44):
Yeah.

I'd love to have a Newcastle Big
Bash team.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (51:48):
I, they traveled down to Hobart and
over to Perth and that, but Iguess it comes down to, yeah,
the,

I'm surprised.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (51:58):
it

I'm surprised they haven't tried to
put New Zealand team in aleague.
Done it.
It.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (52:03):
don't, don't count it off too quick,
'cause Yeah, but they'd havetheir own over there too.
And I

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_20 (52:11):
Newcastle.
It, it had come down tofacilities in Newcastle and
being able to support

Mac Jones wouldn't be big enough,
eh?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (52:20):
Nah.
That you don't pay cricket on asquare ground.

You're probably right.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (52:26):
but yeah, I guess that's a, it's a
big factor in those, I won't saysmaller towns and whatnot, but
Yeah.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (52:35):
Sydney,

I know.
Maybe there's somethingNewcastle to look into to try
and draw those sort of games,though.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (52:41):
maybe a lot of, lot of,

I don't know.
I'm not gonna sit here and talkabout politics and economy,
about Newcastle, to be honest.
I struggle talking about theirteam.
I,

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (52:52):
anyhow, well the Jets look like they're
starting pretty, pretty good

they won the Australia Cup the other
day, didn't they?
Has it been played yet?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (53:01):
I'm not

They're not playing an A-League team,
are they?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (53:05):
The Australia Cup final,

Oh, I'll just Google it real quick.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (53:10):
they played Western a few weeks ago.

They played Western.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (53:17):
Yeah.
Bears.

I didn't know they played Western.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (53:22):
Yeah.
Well,

Um,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (53:23):
Cup

I.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (53:24):
all the way.
So obviously you got your aelite teams, then you got all
your Northern New South Walesteams and new and all of New
South Wales teams like Singletonplayed in a, Cessna, any, you
can nominate the play.
Play in the Australia Cup comesdown to.

(53:46):
How well you gonna do, I guess,

Yeah, I think I might've, read
something else.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (53:51):
yeah.
It might've been a trial.
cause they are getting ready to,to kick the season off all the
local leagues at semi-finals atthe moment and final series.
They got the finals weekend.
Weekend after.

Yeah.
'cause they, they'll do itafterwards.
Uh,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (54:10):
Yeah.
And then the AEG kickoff.
It's not that far away.

so it's getting played in Lakeside
Stadium

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (54:19):
Yeah.

of October.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200 (54:22):
AstroTurf

Yeah.
And it is, Heidelberg United FCagainst Newcastle Jets.
It's not an A league.
You the, what is it, Western?
What's that?
Western Melbourne team in theA-League.
They've been kicked out WesternUnited.
They've been booted from theA-League.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (54:40):
Yeah.
Western United.
Yes, I did read that a couple ofdays ago.
but the, the current holders ofthe Australian Cup are, I won't
tell me.

There you go, dragon.
That'll come down to a, theA-League.
If they won it, they didn't winagainst a big club.
It'd be null and void like theydo with the 97 grand final.
We only played half acompetition.
Yeah, but those other teams werecom

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (55:09):
he,

in 98, when they come back
together, there was no salarycut.
They just kept the teams thatthey had.
That's why Brisbane was so goodthe next year as well.
Just so people, for people thatdidn't know, they'll paid a lot
more to be at that club.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (55:24):
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.

And the nights still come second
that season on the ladder.
So I don't want people on, thatwas the first time that an NRL
for again, or Rugby League SuperBowl ever come up was between
Super League and a RL.
They never got off the ground.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (55:42):
no, I don't think that would've ended
too well for the Knights back in97.
I think that Brisbane team

That Brisbane team was an Australian
team.
But

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (55:53):
yeah.
Yeah.
Knights would've caught a bit ofa touch up, I think.

yeah, I think we can move on to some
gaming talk.
So this week I went and lookedinto some games and stuff and
I've been missing out a littlebit, to be honest.
I don't, I have stuff come up onFacebook and stuff, but most of
the stuff's JD six and I'm kindof sick of hearing about how
good it's gonna be.
I just wanna see how good it'sgonna be, to be honest.

(56:19):
And I don't know, well, GT sixbe a whole podcast episode on
its own.
I think it's worthy.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (56:27):
yeah, I've never been a massive GTA
player, so just

I'm not a fan of the online, like I
know most people these days playonline, but I'm an original GTA
story mode.
You know, go around and do thethings and yeah, I, I like doing
that sort of stuff.
Well, I dunno, I can get intoonline with some stuff.
I dunno, I don't have that manyfriends.
Anyway, this week I come acrossProject Motor racing which I

(56:56):
pretty sure that I already didkind of know about.
I just hadn't delved into it andI sent the video to you.
And honestly, it looks reallygood, like the career mode
setup, an idea for the CareerMotors.
Yeah, it's probably gonna befrom that side of things of

(57:17):
representing what Motor Racing'sactually about.
I think that, I think Projectmotor racing is gonna be really
good on that side.
It'll just depend on what thegameplay and what graphics is
gonna be like, I suppose.
But, and yeah, I'd like to seeit transfer into vr or at least
PlayStation vr.
So.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (57:37):
The thing that really excites me
about this career mode wasthere's actually more of a.
Skill factor to it.
You're not just gonna be jumpingin a car and racing,

No.

zach_2_09-16-2025_2004 (57:51):
actually got a, if you crash, it's gonna
cost you money to rebuild thatcar.
And there's more strategy behindit.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (58:00):
And many, many years ago, one of the
original need for speeds beforeyour underground and everything,
you, if you crashed that car,you had to rebuild it and

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (58:13):
and whatnot.
And

the F1 games do it pretty well, but
not on, not what this isliterally, like I recommend
everyone go and see, go and havea look at the video.
It's just type in project, motorsport career mode, and there's a
little video that tells you whatthey're trying to implement.
But the basic idea behind it isthat you are starting your own
race team.
You get given a certain amountof money and dependent on the

(58:37):
region that you start in, that'sgonna affect.
The price of cars, the travel togo to venues, and then you've
gotta pick and choose your racesand competitions that you want
to be in to your affordability,but you've also went while
you're racing the car, you'vegotta think about the damage and
all of that stuff rather thanjust, hooking in and hitting

(58:58):
that other car and they've gotan online mode.
But I think the, the careermode's gonna be the most
appealing thing to me, to behonest.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (59:06):
Yeah, like I said, very excited about
that game.
yeah, I really can't wait forthat.
And I might actually have tobreak the steering wheel out for
that one.

Yeah, I dare say I am going to look
into a steering wheel very, verysoon.
The only problem is of, you sortof need the frame to go with it,
and it's pretty expensive.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (59:29):
Well, I'm sure I can come down and
Jimmy rig something up at a bitof timber for you.

Yep, you do that.
I'm all good, but I think it'sgonna be pretty exciting.
Like you've gotta concentrate onyour lap times and like any
other game.
But to add that part to it, likethere's, when you go and have a
look at it outside of arcaderacing games, there's not that
many genuine simulators anymore.

(59:56):
You've got

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (59:57):
No,

Forza outside of the horizon from what
I've heard.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:00:03):
Forza hype

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09 (01:00:04):
Was it Forza Motor Sport is the
simulator version.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:00:07):
fair bit of Forza on the Xbox and the
depth of this Motor Sports game.
It's a whole nother level.
Like

the-incoherent-podcast_2_ (01:00:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:00:20):
does not even touch the sides of this
game.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-1 (01:00:23):
A Seto course that's, that's very
in depth with its career modeand signing contracts and stuff
like that.
But this is building your ownrace team from ground up

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:00:32):
for those

I can't wait.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:00:34):
yeah, for those that wanna watch this
video, we'll put a link to thevideo our social.
So you wanna have a look.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:00:42):
Can have a

yeah.
Go on there.
Give it a like, and then it'llpop up.
You wanna have to go looking forit.
we're gonna be a little bit moreproactive in posting stuff.
I think I've been, I put up thefirst episode and been watching
to see how that goes and whatsort of interest.
I'll get to the end of theepisode and delve into a little
bit of that.
pretty happy with myself, butyeah, I'm excited for Project

(01:01:05):
Motorsport.
I'd heard about it, went andseen about it, and I need to
start looking into what moregames are coming out.
the other one that I had a lookat was, resident Evil nine Rick
Wellm, and it looks like aresident evil game.
I enjoy the resident evil games.
Like I said, last week, I got'em, played'em on VR and all
that and it's the most immersivething you can do.

(01:01:27):
I absolutely love it.
Dunno if this one, I'd say thisone will be VR compatible as
well.
I can't see'em going away fromit, but I think it's pretty
successful, so I'll just happyto see another resident evil
game and not a roommate.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:01:42):
I've played, yeah, a few resident
eagles over the years, the lastcouple, I haven't delved too far
into them.
I don't know, I just

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09- (01:01:51):
Is that, is that because the last
couple have been like firstperson ones and you prefer third
person when you're playing?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:01:59):
it could be just something second
nature that pushes me away fromit, but

Well, I just know when we play Arc, I
prefer the first person view andyou prefer playing third person.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:02:11):
Yeah.
I,

the-incoherent-podcast_2 (01:02:11):
That's cool.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:02:13):
yeah, to me you can, I can see more
that way, but yeah,

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:02:18):
that's just how I feel.

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:02:20):
yeah, resident evil, they, they all,
a, that's a great franchise.

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:02:25):
always produced good games.

Yeah.
I think they're rebooting themovies as well.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:02:29):
I don't think this one will be any
different.
I think, yeah, it could much

Oh, it'll just be the story.
It'll be the, a good story, yourpuzzles, you know, your horror
and all of that stuff.
And yeah, just make sure ifyou're playing it in VR that
your wife and your kids aren'thome, because they will tap you
on the shoulder and you willshoot your pants.
So, yeah.
But, I'll get, I'll get onto,I'll get onto the other thing

(01:02:54):
with the game in this week.
So I downloaded yesterday the.
Hit me in worlds or whatever itis.
the hit Me in series, which wasall three games, compatible with
VR and stuff like that.
I didn't actually realize it wasan extra$14 to make it
compatible with vr, but I playedit in vr.

(01:03:14):
I've played the hit Me in gamesbefore.
It's not the first time I'veplayed them.
I just wanted to see how ittranslated to VR and just like
Resident Evil, it, it does thesame thing.
It just makes it so immersive.
You get through.
I haven't played the VR in awhile.
I did get a little bit seasick,but I just put it down for a
bit.
Go over Coke, go over drink, gowhatever, and then come back to

(01:03:37):
it 10 to 15 minutes later.
And it hasn't been too bad, butit's just the immersion of it.
I'd love to get you up here andall down here to jump on and
give VR a go.
'cause I think you'd begenuinely surprised to be
honest.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:03:54):
Yeah, well, I, I wanna play cricket in

Yeah.
The old mate playing on cricket.
Yeah.
Well that's a, that's for themega quest.
You can't get that on VR too.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200 (01:04:03):
different system.
But yeah, I think,

the-incoherent-podcast (01:04:05):
Although there is something that I
remembered that I told you agesago when I first got the vr,
'cause I was looking for gamesand stuff like that, and there
wasn't that many on there.
If you're unsure about betweenthe VR and the Quest, because
the thing is, you might have aPlayStation at home and don't
necessarily have a computer toplay the Quest on, but the Quest
has more games and there's gameslike the cricket one, like Golf

(01:04:25):
Plus that you want to go andplay or anything really.
You can get an adapter for theVR two to go to the computer.
You're not, you're not really,you know, you don't have to do
either.
Either You don't have to.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:04:41):
are slowly getting

Yeah.
It's all going, it, it'sstarting to, it's starting to be
that.
You can get whatever withwhatever.
That's what the whole XboxPlayStation crossover thing is,
is that they're starting toshare all these games so that
it's access to everybody, whichI'm happy.
I'm happy for everybody to haveaccess to it.
I absolutely love it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:05:00):
I, I like that, yeah, there's a lot
more cross play games

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_2004 (01:05:05):
nowadays for those do play online.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:05:09):
yeah, that think, I don't know.
I personally think that in thefuture that you'll be able to do
everything from one console.

yeah.
Yeah, definitely.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:05:21):
I don't think it's as far away as
what some people think,

Well, a lot of the,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:05:25):
also look at it from business side of
things.
PlayStation or Xbox,

yeah, I know that the.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:05:34):
of them would, they'd fold or one
bought the other out, likethey'd be

Yeah.
And

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:05:42):
grab.
But whatever they're creatingcross play games, I guess
they're gonna stay away fromthat.

yeah.
Well, I've noticed that they'reputting a lot into the handheld
ones now for handheld PCs andPlayStations and all that.
They're, they're putting a lotof work into it.
'cause I think they've becomevery popular and I can see why,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:06:03):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2 (01:06:03):
really need to, I've got the TV and
I've got the console, so I don'treally need the handheld, I
can't take it to work.
Like

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:06:10):
yeah, so I bought the handheld
PlayStation, last one, for goingto work.

you work away and stuff.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:06:19):
do work when I go to work.
It's more when rain days and,'cause I'm

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:06:24):
in that type of work environment,
I,

away as well.
Like

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:06:27):
down

got a big job coming up soon that
you're gonna be living away.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:06:31):
Yeah, so I didn't like the fact that.
I can't just turn that system onand just play that system.
I've gotta be logged in throughthe PlayStation network to be
able and connected to myPlayStation at home

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:06:48):
to be able to play it like I want to.
I was under the impression therewas like the old PSP

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:06:55):
where they were a separate unit and I
could just play it.
It was all built into this UBU

yeah.
I did see a thing the other daythat, PlayStation's working on
PS six and PS P three.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:07:06):
yes, percent.
I read that and I think it is a,you said, a lot of things are
going that handheld route, and Ithink that is a big, big
possibility and a big thing forthe police station.

Yeah, yeah.
But going back to the hit me,it, it's all immersive, all
that.
The reason I bought it yesterdaywas it was priced down on PSN.
It was on a deal.
So I think it was maybe 60, 70bucks or something when
originally it's$150 in thatformat.

(01:07:43):
You get the three games, heapsof added extras and stuff that I
understand why they're trying tosell that for$150.
I went in the other day'cause Iwanted to play metal gear, solid
snake eater.
I wanted to give that a go'causeI never actually played that
growing up.
I never played that one.
So I wanted to give it a go.
'cause I used to love those oldmetal gear solid games.

(01:08:04):
And it was 130 bucks for aremade game.
The standard of standardedition.
And to me that's ridiculous.
I'm gonna wait until it getsdiscounted.
I've been waiting ages for it toget released, but I'm just gonna
wait until it comes down inprice.
'cause there is no way I wannapay that much.

(01:08:24):
I'm not that dedicated to it.
I, I think that's just robbery.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:08:29):
we've had this same discussion many a
times, and I'm a firm believerthat unless I am getting hard
copy of a game, the game shouldnot cost more than a hundred
dollars.

No.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:08:46):
they, you gotta download it, the
system,

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:08:50):
your system fills up storage anyway,

or at least explain to us what
extra effort you are putting into make it worth

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:08:57):
no extra effort.
You can go buy the same game forthe same price from EB Games or
Big W.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:09:05):
copy, take the disc home, it on the
wall,

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (01:09:10):
doesn't cost you any different.

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:09:12):
You get more for it.

yeah.
I.

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (01:09:15):
nothing extra to buy online for the

I'm talking just the general$130 for
a remade game.
Like I understand they'veupgraded the graphics.
It's it's still the same game.
We've played it before.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:09:26):
That's right.

It's not an entirely new game.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:09:29):
yeah.
And it's ridiculous.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:09:33):
And I, I understand that during that
COVID period when peoplecouldn't go to the shops and
whatnot to,

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:09:42):
the games and everything was sort of
bought online then,

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:09:48):
but you can, you don't have to do
that anymore.

No, no.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:09:52):
So it's, it, it is only for the
convenience.
And that's what these gamecompanies are seeing, that is
only for the convenience of nothaving to leave your living
room, that they just keep onrobbing us of our hard earned
money.

I only download'em now'cause it's
easier.
I don't have to go to the shops.
The game's available.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:10:15):
you download it for podcast content

Yeah.
Or don't,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:10:18):
off your wife?

yeah, don't tell your wife that you've
downloaded it for the podcast'cause she won't see it your
way.
I didn't download it just forthat.
I wanted to get it anyway.
It just happened that it was agood conversation starter.
So yeah.
That happened.
But yeah, I think that's all.
I wonder, coach, do you gotanything for games?
It's been pretty much just methis week.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:10:40):
I did, I had a bit more of a look into
Hell is Us.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:10:46):
it, I don't not like it, but yeah,

Um,

zach_2_09-16-2025_2004 (01:10:53):
watched, I haven't watched enough of it
or to actually make me mind upabout it.
I'm gonna get it and give it agood crack.
But yeah, I think it is a game.
I am on the fence at the momentit, a lot of people, they would
enjoy it.
But

I think I'm gonna wait until
there's some gameplay and bit offeedback come back from it.
'cause I'm not a hundred percentsure.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:11:20):
for as well.
the few videos I have watchedit.
I'm okay about it.
And it was same, that oh ohseven, we were discussing 25
minute video,

Oh, that was the gameplay.
Yeah, I skipped through some ofthat, but I'm actually looking
forward to it, to be honest.
Like I've been playing hitman.
if you don't know, there's a newoh oh seven game coming out in
March next year, and it's madeby the exact same people as
Hitman and.
You alert to me that people havebeen comments saying, it looks

(01:11:54):
like Hitman, and you're like,yeah, it does look like Hitman.
It's because it's made by thesame people.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:11:57):
Yeah,

it's,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:12:00):
I'm not sold on it.
I'm really not.
I didn't,

and that's the,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:12:05):
drawn into that, gameplay that I
watched of, I really, I wasn'tdrawn to it and it of bored me.

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:12:13):
So I think, I don't think I'm gonna
rush to get that one.

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:12:17):
As more gameplay comes out of it,
then there's more and morepeople, Talking about it and
more of a hype, I might changemy mind, but At the moment that
one's a negative for me.

Yeah.
I'll, I think I'm still stuck upon oh oh seven night fire, to be
honest, I used to play so muchof that with me mates and stuff
before footy, after footy.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:12:39):
So, sometimes you gotta let the past
go.

Yeah, I know, I know.
It's never as good.
I, really enjoyed that.
I used to have it at home aswell, so I love the story to it
and all that, and it it feelslike there hasn't been any
really good ones since, and Iwant it to be good.
I stopped playing movie basedgames a long time ago when I
realized that they were shit.
They weren't, they weren't highend games.

(01:13:05):
They were just living off thename of it.
And there was, the playabilityof them weren't that great.
It used to be that you'd getthose games and they're actually
really good.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:13:14):
Yeah.
Like you said, it's the livingon that name and

Yeah, and a lot of, a lot of other
games do that too.
there's countless games that arejust reasked or,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:13:28):
And there's a lot of games that I

the-incoherent-podcast_ (01:13:31):
Reskin.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:13:31):
to see 'em remastered, but yeah, I
don't think we ever will

I don't have a problem with'em,
remastering it.
I like going back and playingthe old games.
I just don't think that I haveto pay a, a new games price to
be able to play it.
No, because all the groundwork'salready there and they're just,
the reskinning what's alreadythere and a couple of little
updates doesn't seem like it'sworth the extra money, to be
honest.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:13:58):
Yeah.

Like,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:14:00):
What if they remastered?
John will lo me rugby.

oh, I'm not paying a hundred bucks
for it.
I'd pay it, but I'm not paying ahundred bucks for it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:14:10):
Yeah.
And yeah, there, there probablyis a few games out there that
are worth that premium price.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:14:17):
But still not$130.

yeah, yeah.
I.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:14:22):
I mean, some things are better off
left in the past as well.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:14:26):
games shouldn't be remastered.

Yeah.
You gotta, you gotta rememberthe game for what it was, to be
honest.
So,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:14:35):
Yeah,

Well, I think we can what, move on to
our predictions for the week.
so last week we, what?
We got to each?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:14:46):
yeah.
So I had prediction was thatManchester would stay blue and
that I actually, I said thatCity had win three won, but they
actually won three nil, which iseven better.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:15:03):
I still got one rolling at the
moment and I said the doggieswould go out in straight sets
and I still believe that theywill, I think.

Yeah.
You're halfway there.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:15:14):
Yeah, I think Penrith will beat'em
this weekend.

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:15:18):
those, it injury the critter.

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:15:21):
big one.
sharks ended up beating theroosters.
I thought the roosters the wind.
And good of that game, I wasfairly confident last sort of 10
minutes, 12 minutes of thatgame.
Sharks sort of, they come homewith a wet sail.
but yeah.
And yourself, Ravens bounceback.

yeah.
No, the Ravens did bounce backup against the Browns.
To be honest, the Browns didn'tgive much of a challenge up.
Derrick Henry didn't run for 200yards.
I actually dunno what happened.
I didn't get a chance to see thegame and I still can't figure
out how to use this NFL passproperly to see replayed games.

(01:16:05):
I did get to see a little bit ofit.
It was mostly highlights.
I'm not sure what happened toDerrick Henry if someone could
let me know.
I feel like he was injured, butI feel like he might not have
been.
After reading some stuff, I hadCanberra to win against Brisbane
and.
It got close.
Didn't quite get it.
But like I said before, that wasjust a, despite all the stuff

(01:16:28):
that happened in that game, fora game to go for 93 minutes or
whatever it was, that that wasan unbelievable game to watch.
If you are a true NRL fan oreven if you're not, the
excitement and all of that, youwould've been watching, I
would've hated to be a Raidersor a Broncos fan the other day.
Absolutely.
Would've hated being a Raidersfan because you won the game
twice and still didn't get it.
So,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:16:48):
Yeah,

you know,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:16:49):
it,

it's, it's just one of those things.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:16:52):
yeah.
Just from an outsideperspective, you lived down in
Canberra.
What was it like down inCanberra?
The atmosphere at GIO Stadiumand what those PE those fans
were going through the otherafternoon,

I lived down, there was when they
started the Viking Club, whenthat started to become a thing
and they played.
Penrith in a final, I'm not surewhich final it was, but they
played Penrith in a final inCanberra.
And I just remember we weremoving at the time to move back
up to the central coast fromdown there and we went down to

(01:17:28):
pick the last of our stuff up,me and my wife.
And on the way down there I justsaid, oh fuck it, we'll just go
to the game.
So we went to the game thatnight as something to do to kill
time between moving stuff thenext day.
And we just bought generaladmission tickets and we ended
up right in the middle of theViking Club and it was the most
electric, it was unbelievable,the atmosphere that Canberra get

(01:17:49):
Canberra.
A very, very passionate fansdown there.
They absolutely love their team.
Absolutely love it.
And the cold weather that theyshow up in to be there, they,
they're a little bit underratedhow much of a great fan base
they are.
it, I, I consider camp theRaiders as my second team I had
before I moved down therebecause I've always, I grew up
with'em being sort of meter, Idon't remember the nineties when

(01:18:12):
they were good.
I just remember'em sort of beingaround, that top eight and just
always won Monday night gamesfor some reason.
That's, and it's probably got alot to do with the cold to be
honest, but it, it, I'd go backto a Canberra game in Canberra.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:18:28):
yeah.
the, you said about the fansbeing so passionate and guess
Reese Wal found that out when hewas walking down the tunnel the
other afternoon,

it is what it is.
The NRL are gonna rule on it.
Like I'm just glad they didn'tpull a, or was it Taylor May
that got suspended, hissuspension for the fans and got
to play through that finalseries and then got injured
anyway,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:18:52):
yeah,

would

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:18:53):
have gotta see it.

that shouldn't happen?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:18:57):
No,

So, but on the, on the other
prediction from last week, Isaid that we'd get 25 listens on
the podcast, through my funneland systems of statistics that I
get from where I feed it from.
We got 46 downloads over, applePodcast and Spotify, listen

(01:19:18):
notes, Facebook, the web browserone because I didn't.
Realized I had to wait the firsttime I downloaded it.
Hopefully that's all been fixedthis time.
but on Spotify,'cause I can'twork out how it translates, but
I've, we've had 31 plays onSpotify and we've got four
follows and the easiest way tokeep up to date with what we're

(01:19:41):
doing is just to give that afollow.
So yeah, give us a, like on theFacebook page and on Spotify or
wherever you listen it to, andyeah, just help it grow.
It'll help the algorithm.
We can get more people in thereand then hopefully we can get
some to and fro from people whoknow what we're talking about or

(01:20:01):
enjoy what we're talking aboutor just get a little bit of
feedback even if you want to oranything like that.
So, yeah.
So what's your, predictions thisweek?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:20:11):
This week we've got NRLW final series
starting,

Yep.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:20:18):
and

Can I just mention the roosters have
gone undefeated this season sofar?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:20:25):
now this isn't a prediction, but I
think they will continue to goundefeated and I think they'll
win it.

Yep.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:20:33):
But for this week, they've gone the
Knights and the Cowboys.
Both to win the NRL finals game,both one to 12.
and then over in a FL, thepreliminary finals, we were on
Geelong and Collingwood, both towin in the, to make the grand

(01:20:54):
final.
I'm, yeah, like as we spokeabout, I'm not a massive a FL
fan.
It's, it's just another sport Iflick through.
I'll have a watch, I'll watchsome highlights and I understand
a few rules, but I'm not a, biga FL person.
But yeah, to, for me, I think, Ijust think and Collingwood,

(01:21:17):
they're both the positions thatthey finish on the ladder, they
should both win.

Yep.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:21:23):
Going back to the EPL, Merseyside
Derby between Liverpool, Evan,and, there's a lot of Liverpool
fans out there that'll be hopingthat they keep on winning.
But discuss sneaking suspicionthat finish in the draw.

Yep.
You reckon?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:21:44):
Yeah, I, I won't say it's a goalless
draw.
I think both teams are scoringgoals.
Liverpool have found ways to, towin in the past, but I think
evident from what I've watchedof them so far this season, I
think evident.
Yeah, little bit.

(01:22:04):
It'll be a little bit of anupset, a point away from
Liverpool.

The predictions I've got this week
is I think the chiefs are gonnaend their three game losing
streak since the Super Bowl.
I think they, I think they winthis week.
Just simply they're due for awin.
There's still not that badaside, and like I said before,
it was only because of reallythe tush push and maybe a drop

(01:22:30):
from, Travis probably was thereason for that.
But, yeah, I, I'm happy to saythat the Chiefs are gonna, win
next week against the Giants.
I don't see the Giants being abig threat to'em, to be honest.
They're both Euro and two andthe Chiefs are a lot better team

(01:22:52):
than what the giants are at themoment.
I'm pretty sure the Giants havea rookie quarterback so homes
will probably give him a goodold school.
I've got the Raiders that beatthe Sharks.
I know they just had a big gameagainst Brisbane, but the Sharks
did not show me enough where theRaiders showed me plenty on
Sunday when they were playingoff.
Quick, Starling just schooling'em through the middle until

(01:23:15):
they were put on the back foot.
Just getting forward.
The Ford's doing what theyneeded to Hudson Young getting
out and about KO weeks, justplaying off the back of mistakes
or open field.
They've got a really good teamthere and it's a little bit of a
shame that they lose Fogartynext year'cause I wouldn't mind
to see how good this Canberrateam could be.

(01:23:37):
But I'm not sure what they'regonna do around that halfback
situation.
I dunno if Strange can go intohalfback.
I don't, I'm not sure what'sgonna happen there, but I'm
still sure stick's got a plan inplace anyway, so, and I've also,
my third prediction for thisweek is Ang to get his first win
in the a PL with forest, overBurnley.

(01:23:59):
What.
So, yeah, and use would know,'cause we decided this after the
podcast the other day, but meand Zach are taking 10 bucks
each and putting these bets on.
So our predictions that we put,we put into a multi and
hopefully get a little bit of areturn from it Anyway, I don't
recommend that other peoplelisten to us though.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:24:21):
Yeah, do not follow our multi
predictions.

No, not at this stage anyway.
Unless we start getting a fewthen maybe, you got anything
else this week?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:24:30):
No.
No.
So, yeah, that's, that's justabout it for,

I've got one.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:24:36):
this week.

I've got one more thing.
This week

zach_2_09-16-2025_20043 (01:24:38):
What's,

I've finally talked you into doing
this podcast after how long?
And turns out you've accepted ajob for six weeks out in the
middle of nowhere, so I mightnot have you for a couple of
weeks outta the next couple.
So to everybody that reallywants to listen to Zach for some
reason, he might not be here fora couple of episodes and I've
gotta come up with a plan B so Ican stay consistent and Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:25:01):
yeah, I mean, kind of gotta keep a
roof over the kid's head and intheir belly, but.

no, that's fair enough.
That's fair enough.
Zach's accepted a job with hisbusiness out in the middle of
New South Wales somewhere, noreception, and it's pretty bad
when the, the, what is it,foreman or company that's hired
him trying to buy satellitephone to communicate with his
own family.
But yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:25:29):
I stand.
You don't really work that hard.

We'll come up with, with something
anyway we might be able to getZach on for a couple of the
things and that it just might,might not be quite as current
'cause it might be on like aSunday arvo or something like
that before he leaves to go awayand not doing it on the Tuesday.
it's already a little bitoutdated by the time it comes to
Thursday'cause a lot more thingscome out and stuff.
But we're trying to do the bestwe can to get it out there on

(01:25:54):
Thursday anyway.
And yeah, even if it's just mein here trying to talk through
things, I don't know how I'll gotalking to myself or don't like
listening to myself.
So,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:26:04):
you, you're a dump truck driver, so
you talk to yourself a lot ofthe night and half the day, so

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:26:10):
be used to it.

I'm sick of hearing me.
but if, if we can get peoplejust to go over and give even
wherever you get your podcastfrom, give it a follow, show
your support on the Facebookpage and on Instagram page, and
send us in some, some messageson what you want to talk about
or what you don't like or justdisagree with us.

(01:26:33):
yeah, we're not, we don't standby all their comments that much,
do we?
We're open to opinions.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438 (01:26:40):
Yeah, that's where this podcast
originated from.
It was just Jason and I, we, wehad a lot of opinions about
different things that had pop upin the sporting world and we
sort of found ourselves points.
We'd discuss it and then be acouple weeks later, same things

(01:27:03):
had start popping up thatgetting discussed by the higher
ups.
We be in these sporting

Oh yeah, yeah.
There was a stage there where Ithought our phones were tapped
by the NRL, but, also we gothrough these discussions with
these ideas, we frigging draftsand Super bowls and all this
stuff for the NRL and that, andwe discuss it between us, but I
kind of wanna find out whatother people's opinion is on it.
Like, tell me where I'm wrong.

(01:27:28):
I'm not gonna say that you arewrong either, but I'm not, I'm
just a bloke that's a fan ofsports and different sports and
that, and trying to, trying tolearn it.
I'm trying to learn NFL and ifI'm wrong on stuff, I'm happy
to, to cop the criticism anyway.
Thanks for joining us on thesecond episode of the Incoherent
Podcast.
Hopefully we see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Thank you for joining Zach and I on this week's
episode of the IncoherentPodcast.
We will be back next week withanother episode talking about
the week of sport and gaming.
You can follow us at theIncoherent Podcast on Facebook
and Instagram.
You can also get in touch withus via our email, the Incoherent
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Feel free to message us if youhave anything for us to discuss

(01:28:12):
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