Episode 8 : Building the Perth Bears

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Episode 8: Building the Perth Bears

Zach and Jason put on their GM hats, blending countless hours of NRL watching with their favorite sports management game to sketch a realistic blueprint for the new Perth Bears as November looms. From marquee targets to cap strategy, they map out how to build a competitive roster from day one—then pivot to some cricket chat and wrap with rapid-fire predictions for the weekend’s sport.

In this episode:
- Expansion blueprint: roster build strategy, cap management, and culture-setting
- The spine first: ideal targets at 1, 6, 7, and 9, plus leadership in the middle
- Smart signings: value picks, development pathways, and WA talent pipeline
- Coaching short list and what style suits a Perth franchise
- Cricket corner: form lines, fixtures, and who’s trending up or down
- Weekend multis and bold predictions across the codes

Got a must-sign for the Bears or a hot prediction we missed? Drop us a line and we’ll feature the best takes next episode.

Episode Transcript

Speaker (00:02):
Welcome to the Inca here in podcast.

the-incoherent-podcast_ (00:12):
Welcome to episode eight of the
Incoherent Podcast.
I'm here with Zach Hoover's nothere.
He, um, he had some other stuffthat he needed to do tonight and
didn't have the time to jumpon,, gonna do our Perth Bears
episode today.
So hope Zach's got his teamtogether.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2 (00:29):
Thinking outside the box with my team
and, talking to you the otherday, you said about your salary
cap affecting your team, butdon't know,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (00:39):
Oh, my mine, mine's not under the
salary cap, or you probably, youcould probably maybe work it
under the salary cap if youreally needed to, but I don't
think it would.

zach-host729_1_10-29- (00:49):
sombrero.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (00:51):
Yeah.
Well, it's only, it'd only bebecause they've gotta play a lot
of money for, you know, they'regonna have to throw big money
out for the, um, players.
So

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:03):
Yeah, I think that we, they'd be
looking at these, these coupleof feeder teams.
They would've already had theireyes on a lot of the, the
Queensland Cup and a lot of the,um, new South Wales Cup

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:18):
yeah.
There'll be,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:19):
now, and full well that they can
start recruiting from Novemberone.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:23):
yeah.
Do we, there'd be a lot ofplayers we would know about,
like,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2 (01:28):
percent.
There'd be a lot of players thatwe

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:30):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:31):
Um, especially, yeah, those, those
ones coming through, they'regonna give a shot to,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:38):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:38):
gonna be on train and trial deals, and
they're gonna be playing forless than a hundred K.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:44):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:45):
So that'll, that'll help them spend
money.
I.
The spine, if they can spendmoney on their spine lock in a
good spine, and then they canbuild from there.

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (02:01):
Before we get into our teams I was,
that's what I was gonna asky'all.
What do you think would be, sayin five years, what success look
like for the Perth Bears?
What, what would it look, whatwould success be to you?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (02:17):
Um, if they're sort of pushing, I
won't say that they've gotta bepushing the eight.
I said the, the dolphins theyrecruited well and they, they've
got themselves into a good spot,but they also got a lot of
players at the back end of theircon, like their careers.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (02:38):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (02:39):
they already had, they bought that
experience.
But if the bears are sittingaround sort of 14 to 10 five
years time, winning games, notgetting flogged week in, week
out by the, the bigger andbetter teams.

(03:00):
Your Melbourne, your brisbane's,refs, um, then I, I would say
they've had a, a fairlysuccessful start their campaign.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (03:12):
Well I think I, I was thinking that
maybe that they need to grow thegame in Perth and if they can
capitalize on that and expand inPerth itself and, you know,
start setting up juniors.
In WA and embracing that stateand drawing in those new fans

(03:32):
and getting good membershipnumbers, I think that's success.
But that success is gonna comefrom success on the field.
But I think you're right.
I don't think they need to bewinning grand finals or pushing
for the top four or anythinglike that.
You need to find players withexperience that can set up the
culture around the club so thatyou know, going forward they've

(03:55):
got a base that they work offthat this is what our club's
about.
So I know that when the Knightsfirst started, it was all about
hard work and you know.
Being there for your mate andputting in and just being tough
and that was all part of it.
They're not like that now, buthopefully Holbrooke can install
some of that into'em.

(04:16):
But you know, it, I think that'swhat you need to, to build it
off, build off the history ofthe North Sydney bears and stuff
like that and you know, go on,but, but try to capitalize on
being in WA and growing rugbyleague.
You've been given it anopportunity, so

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (04:34):
Oh, a hundred percent.
If they can you build thatculture and then a franchise
from that culture, do exactlywhat Melbourne's done.
They're

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (04:46):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-2 (04:48):
Melbourne's they love and hated throughout
the whole NRL supporter base.
But

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (04:54):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (04:55):
they built that culture.
They've, they've built the fans.
Perth can quite easily do.
They've got a whole state that

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (05:02):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (05:03):
them,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (05:04):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (05:04):
that's what they've gotta look to do.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (05:06):
yeah, yeah.
Well, Melbourne are trying toset all their juniors and their
New South Wales Cup and all thatup now so that they're not
running through Queensland Cupand all of that.
I know Perth have set up tieswith, um, the Brisbane Tigers
and they've also got their NorthSydney, new South Wales Cup
side.
But being able to, you know,that's, that's well and good to

(05:31):
start with the set yourself up.
But I do think that they mightneed to look at having their own
sort of squad in like a NewSouth Wales Cup or Queensland
Cup.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (05:43):
The big thing, yeah.
Would have to be, build thatculture

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (05:48):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (05:48):
and wanna be, they need to be
looking for those players.
That have built culture andthey, they've shown that in the
clubs that they're at now andthen,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (06:04):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-20 (06:04):
instill that within a fairly new club
and workspace over in Perth,well, yeah, I think they can be
successful.
Do I see it happening inside thefirst 10 years?
Probably not,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (06:21):
yeah.
That's sort of what I,

zach-host729_1_10-29-20 (06:24):
happen.

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (06:25):
that's what I've looked at with my
team.
Like I've got players there thatbring experience but also bring
that hard work because that'swhat they do for their clubs
they're currently at.
Like, they'll, they'll dig inand have a go, like they barely,
rarely ever off have off gamesand on the other side of it,
I've got some younger playersthat are coming through that
have shown the goods that,,going forward, developing and

(06:48):
stuff like that will, will helpcarry that experience from those
players through for the nextgeneration as well.
So,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (06:57):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (06:58):
yeah, that's what I've looked at.
So anything else?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (07:02):
Now I, um, I'm interested to, to
hear your thoughts on your, yourteam.
So, I've, I've gone through andselected a 13, but I couldn't
stop, so I've actually

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (07:18):
I,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (07:18):
one through

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (07:19):
I've got, I've got 17, I've, I've
got, I've got a bench here andI've taken it from players.
It hasn't come.
So we're both gonna know thatthere's gonna be players like
today.
Pez it was released for, feederwas released.
Like there's players that aregonna be released that'll
probably sign with the Bears oryou know, that we don't know

(07:41):
about that won't be on it.
We've gone through with playersthat legally on November one
will be free to negotiate withthe Bears that still have a
contract for next season.
So there would be other players,there'd be players in the Super
league.
I haven't got any Super Leagueplayers in here because I
couldn't find anything likethat.
Like, you know, sailor andthere's players over there that

(08:04):
could come back, um, if, if needbe, and I think there will be.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (08:10):
is it the same November one
transfer type thing with theSuper League though?

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (08:17):
I do believe so.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (08:19):
Like, yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (08:20):
I believe so.
I'm not sure the NRL was indiscussions with the Super
League today about taking itover and everything went well
apparently, so I think.
Once the NRL does take over,everything will sync up.
Um, just like with the Ashesgame on the weekend, there's
different rules, um, becausethey don't,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (08:40):
Oh,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (08:40):
they don't follow our rules
completely until a couple ofyears after when they implement
the same rules.
Um, but it'll probably make itall unified across both, both,
um, competitions.
So

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (08:55):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (08:56):
that's what I, I believe is gonna
happen if they end up taking itover.
But there's a few othercompanies that are got a lot of
money that are gonna put theirhand in it.
It's whether or not the SuperLeague want to give it control
of the NRL or not.
So that's only for the NRL torun it.
It's not, they'll just set the,set the Super League up, the
same as what the NRL is here andwith the success that they've

(09:17):
had here, and just do it alittle bit differently, you
know?
So, yeah.
Anyway, we don't know what eachother's teams are either, by the
way.
So, yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (09:28):
Yeah, it's, uh, just the biggest
surprise for each of us that youguys are gonna find out as well.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (09:36):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (09:36):
think

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (09:37):
you think, do you think it'll be
completely different?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (09:39):
for me.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (09:41):
Uh, I've, I've swapped and changed a
couple of times through theweek.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (09:45):
I was actually fullback, I was
pretty set on, like I sat downthere, it was hard to pick, but.
I've picked me fullback, I'm,pretty happy with it.
And I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (09:59):
Yeah, no, I, I, I've got one, but I.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (10:02):
can get outta the system that he's
in now and go over there, freshstart, I think he could develop
and go to the next level.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (10:14):
Yeah, no, mine's the same.
I don't actually think thathe'll end up over there at all.
I think I know exactly what'sgonna happen, but,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (10:22):
I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (10:22):
um,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (10:22):
a big chance my number one does go
there.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (10:26):
you reckon?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (10:27):
Yeah.
Though, no, he's not real happywith the

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (10:31):
All right.
Well, who's your fullback?

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (10:35):
Buller from the West Tigers.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (10:38):
Uh, yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (10:39):
He's quite unhappy with the West
Tigers at the moment'cause ofthings happening in the
background with his wife.
His

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (10:48):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (10:49):
has promised a, um.
Start with the women's side andthat they've back flipped on
that deal and Buller is lookingto, to get out.
Like I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (11:01):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (11:02):
he can get it gets outta that
system goes over there, there'sa big chance he does go to that
next level.
'cause he shows a lot ofpotential.
He's got that heart and thatfight.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (11:12):
Yeah.
Well I went with um, Jay Gray.
I think he's got a lot to offer,like ball playing, running.
He's been great for South, so Idon't think South will lose him.
I think Latrell will end up inthe centers and dry gray will be
the South's fallback.
Um, he's already turned his backon the 360 thing.
When they said about the 10 yearban, i'm pretty sure.

(11:35):
But that is going through whatthe media says.
So, you know, we only know asmuch as what everybody else
does.
We've got no inside informationor anything like that.
But I've gone with, I've gonewith Jay Gray,'cause up and
coming player, young player, youknow, pretty sturdy player to
have for a long time on thatspine.
I did want Cabo, but I don'tthink Cabo has the ball playing

(12:00):
ability that Gray has.
Cabo is kind of just a biggerbody, just like, um, Latrell is,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (12:08):
i would've agree with you.
Cobos.
He's, he wants, he wanted to goto full bat,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (12:16):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (12:17):
he's good there as a replacement and
a backup, but to

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (12:21):
Yeah.
I,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (12:23):
I don't think he's up to it.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (12:25):
as your, as your premier fullback
and not having your, the rest ofyour spine complete in a new
team, I think it's too big anexperiment.
To be honest.
Um,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (12:40):
I know Speak.
Speaking of Cobo though, Iactually do have him as my
number two.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (12:47):
so do I

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (12:48):
So I think

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (12:49):
that's what I've got as well.
I've got, I've got Cabo on thewing and I've also got, um,
Jesse Arthurs on the other wing.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (12:56):
I also have Jesse Arthurs at
number five, and the reason Iwent with Cobo is for that
availability for him to be ableto go and play in any of those
positions across the, across the

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (13:12):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (13:13):
his versatility.
Um, Jesse Arthurs, he's had afairly good season over the

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (13:20):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (13:20):
year, and I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (13:21):
Okay.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (13:21):
gonna be chasing more consistent
football.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (13:25):
I think they're two very good
players.
Cobos on his way to the Dolphinsfor one season.
So he's very likely for him toland him, um, on more money,
obviously, um, to keep him awayfrom the Broncos.
And the Broncos already haveMariner, you know, who's their
other winger.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (13:45):
Yeah.
Jesse Arthur was there.
Marr?

the-incoherent-podcast_ (13:48):
There's another one there

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (13:50):
yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (13:51):
Grand final.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (13:53):
I know who you mean.
Uh, I'm just going think a bitoff the top of my head, but
yeah, he's, I don't think Cobogoes back to Brisbane.
I know he said he'd like to goback to Brisbane, but if he
doesn't sign with Perth and I,he has a pretty good season with
the Dolphins.
I think could potentially.

(14:15):
Keep him there,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (14:16):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (14:17):
but he's

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (14:18):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (14:18):
that's like bull.
He can get outta that.
Well, he's outta the system now.
He's released, he's off to thedolphins.
But if he can now get outta thatwhole southeast Queensland area
and go

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (14:31):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (14:31):
a name for himself somewhere in a,
in a system that's fresh.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (14:36):
Yep.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (14:37):
So,

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (14:37):
agree.
And I think Jesse Arthur hasheaps to offer.
I think it's just the, theBroncos already have quality in
that, you know, that thatposition, like, he's not gonna
get a center spot there.
And I don't think he knocks offMariner.
So, um, I think, I think JesseArthur still has a lot to give

(14:58):
and I think he's a very, verygood winger.
Um,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (15:03):
Um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (15:04):
been for a while, to be honest.
He's kind of snuck under the,under the radar there.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (15:10):
is just got through and done his
job and.
Sort of stood out a bit morethis year'cause um, Brisbane was
sort of going down his side abit and he was scoring trials.
He was involved more.
But

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (15:26):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (15:26):
I think they both got enough first
grade experience that Perthcould use them both.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (15:34):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (15:36):
Um, but speaking of experience of
it, my center pairing, I have,I've gone with some really good
experience.
Both can goal kick, so it coversthat, area as well.
Um, and that's Nick Meanie

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (15:58):
I had.
I had, um, Manie and my team andtook him out when I put gray in
it.
Fullback, I had Manie on thewing, but, um, I took Manie out.
So I went with Tomoko and um,Garrett,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (16:13):
Yeah, Timko.
I dunno if he leaves thatCanberra

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (16:19):
put him, he put himself, he put
himself on the open market theother day.
He said he wants to test themarket.
So Tomoko compared to meaningTomoko is a, a bit younger and
he is, he's a, he's a reallygood center, strong runner of
the ball, can score a try.
And like you said, Garrick isreliable.

(16:42):
He can goal kick, he's good.
He can, um, finish, he can throwa pass.
You know, Gar wouldn't be outtaplace at fullback'cause he
filled in a fullback at me.
Only when you know.
Tom wasn't there, so,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (16:57):
Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (16:58):
you know, I like Gar as a player.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (17:01):
and that's why both center pairings
mine, I thought can fill in atthat one role if needed or

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (17:09):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2 (17:09):
Minnie's got the ability he can slip into
six if he's really needed there.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (17:15):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (17:16):
I, I seen the upside to, to both of
them and Garrick's coming out,coming out of a pretty good
manly system.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (17:26):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (17:26):
Meany, well he lived that Melbourne
system that he's come from, Ithink the

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (17:32):
yeah.
I just, I just couldn't fitManie in here, but I think Manie
would be a, a good alternativefor that center spot.
Well, yeah.
So you got at six, who's yoursix?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (17:47):
Um, mine's a little bit outta the
box of my six.
Well, I think it is.
And that's Jake Aava.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (17:57):
Aava, uh, I didn't like Avalo because
Avalos already moved to theDolphins to start a club and
stuff like that, you know, but,and I kinda like him better at
that center role, I think.
But, um, I went with, um, BillyWilders on his way outta the,
you know, the Bronco.
The Broncos have signed pethey've got MIM and they've got

(18:23):
two good hookers coming through.
He doesn't really, he's kind ofthe odd man out, and I think he
played very well this yearwithout his dad there.
I think he's earned.
He's shown that he can control ateam or he can help with control
on that team.
And I think he's got that littlebit of experience there and you

(18:43):
can get, you know, three or fouryears out of him being in that
position to provide stability.
And because I went with a youngAF back just like the Dolphins
did with ka, I've, I've prettymuch done the same thing and I
was actually surprised that hewas, um, I could pick him up.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (19:03):
Yeah.
Or Walters is.
I did have him in my team atnine, so I think his best
position is nine.
But yeah, I was thinkingAmarillo because yeah, he does
have the ability that he can goout to the centers and my number

(19:25):
14 can slip into that six rollquite easily.
To give that different Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (19:37):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (19:37):
and give Abilla the chance.
A good ball runner.
He's not a

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (19:41):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (19:42):
strong kicker of the ball, I don't
think.
That's not his strong suit,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (19:46):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29 (19:46):
Amarillo's ball running.
And you can set him up in asystem where, and tell him that,
that you want him to run theball, well, I think he's got
that going for him.
Um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (20:00):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (20:01):
the other one was a.
Very close.
Second choice at six for mewould've been Jake Clifford.
I tossed and turned and yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (20:10):
think he goes there.
I don't, I, I don't, I don'tthink he goes there.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (20:14):
I don't think he goes over there
either, but if I'm building aclub, he's got the ability that
he could play six or seven, andI think you could pick him up
reasonably cheap,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (20:28):
Yeah, another one that can be another
one that could be picked up forlike, to play, um, to play
fullback.
That it'd be good for like aculture sort of thing.
And that experience and, youknow, a good, a good player to
build all of your, you know,your foundations off is James
ESCO's off contract as well.
And whether or not he, they havea play in him to try and bring

(20:50):
him over as the first captainand, you know, but I don't see
it likely.
I think he finishes at theRoosters'cause um, yeah, I think
the roosters have done a lot forhim, but it, it's still within
the possibility.
So there's a lot of, you know,our teams aren't gonna be, it'd
be nice to see how close we getwith the signings, but I don't,

(21:11):
I dunno what direction they'regonna go.
I don't dunno what Mel wants.
So what sort of team he's gonnawant.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (21:18):
Yeah, it, he's been involved in that
roosters culture, that bluesculture.
The Australian squad.
I, I, a hundred percent.
I could get around Tedesco goingover there.
It's just how many years you getout of him?, He cops some shots

(21:40):
week in, week out, like

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (21:43):
yeah, yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (21:45):
but

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (21:45):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (21:46):
if he can pick him up cheap enough
and he can go over there for twoyears.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (21:51):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (21:52):
sort of help build it up like the
Bromage Brothers and Fui andthat have done it Dolphins well,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (21:59):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (21:59):
yeah, think if

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (22:02):
That's what I was thinking.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (22:03):
the Bears can pick up a couple of
players from that same club thatare already amongst that, that,
that culture already and sort ofdrag it along with them, I think
go a long way to helping'em outas well.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that.
So, yeah, I've got Humphreys.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (22:31):
I can get

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (22:32):
I, I, I was surprised that he was
even on the market.
I thought Souths had ti him uplong term.
And to be quite honest, when Iseen his name, now that PEA's
been signed, Pez would've beenmy first choice for the exact
same reason up young, up andcoming half back.

(22:52):
And he's by far the best younghalfback coming through that's
on that available list forNovember one.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (23:02):
Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (23:03):
And I'd be, I'd be going hard for
him.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (23:06):
I,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (23:07):
Be overpaying for him to be honest,
because it'll, it'll, it'll workout in the end.
It won't be overpaid.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (23:16):
yeah.
Well, you said about, um, notunderstanding that, why South
haven't locked him up yet.
But the other Tyra, I, I don'tsee why, uh, Melbourne haven't
locked him down with Pza, justleaving

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (23:34):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (23:36):
any of.
How many years are we gonna getoutta Monster?
And Hughes has signed on forthree more years.
Wish I'd be locking Wishard downbecause he's your next six

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (23:47):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (23:47):
quite easily transition into that
seven roll when Hughes doesretire.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (23:53):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (23:54):
my number seven, from north of the
border and that's JaydenCampbell.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (24:02):
Yep.
You reckon Campbell?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (24:05):
he, he'd done enough for me at seven
this year that I could build ateam around him.
And I think the Titans have,Titans have got him playing
seven now and they've gotta lockhim down to play there.
Seven, he, he is gonna be a goodseven.
He's just gotta get thatpreseason in get some game time

(24:28):
playing that role.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (24:30):
Yeah, I think, I think Humphreys has a
lot more upside to Campbell.
I think.
Um, I think Humphreys is morethat natural halfback and I
think he's gonna be a very,very, very good player to be, to
be quite honest.
And I, I'm gonna guess that SaaSwill lock him up.

(24:52):
He won't, he won't stay free forlong.
Um, I dunno Why Manly let him goto begin with?
'cause he was the succession forDCE, you would've been the
perfect one to slide in therenext to Brooks.
So

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (25:06):
Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (25:07):
I don't, I don't know why they've
done that to be fair,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (25:12):
yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (25:12):
but he was it on the available list,
so I'm gonna take him.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (25:18):
The other one I thought about for
that seven roll was Tom DuffyCowboys released him to go to
Brisbane, haven't resigned him.
They only wanted him for the oneyear.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (25:31):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (25:31):
Um, he showed a lot coming through
that, that system and playingQueensland Cup that all, he got
the nod at the start of the yearfor the Cowboys.
And I think the, the hype of theNRL got to him.
I think didn't play nowhere nearhis potential that he showed

(25:54):
coming through, the QueenslandCup.
So I think Tom Duffy could be a,a little sneaky buyer for the
Bears, I think.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (26:03):
Yeah.
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (26:06):
but

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (26:07):
with that.

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (26:08):
moving on to the front row and I'm sure
it's on everyone's potentialPerth Bears list and that's
Tino.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (26:20):
Yeah.
I've got T now.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (26:23):
Lock him in, purchase him, buy him
for five years,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (26:28):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (26:28):
Ford Pack around Tino, give him the
arm band.
He's the one to instill thatnew, that steel that, yeah.
He's the

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (26:39):
A hundred I a hundred percent
agree.
And once he put himself on theopen market and.
I think, I think the Bearswould've stood up and had a look
at that.
Apparently the storm are thenumber one favorites to sign
him, but you gotta have a, yougotta have a discussion with the
Bears.

(26:59):
'cause I think the Bears canoffer you a lot more and you'll
have a lot, a big say on howthat club operates the way that
he wants it to.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (27:08):
the only thing that sort of, I think
holds him back from going toPerth is.
He is been in that Titan sidethat's been rebuilding for years
on end.
Now

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (27:21):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (27:23):
how much toll has that taken on him
mentally?
can he go through it again?
That, that, that's the questionthat he'd be asking himself.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (27:32):
Well he said, he said the other day
that he, he wants to win gamesand.
You're not going to the bearswith the ex expecting to win
straight off the bat.
You have to have

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (27:43):
right.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (27:44):
of a, you know, understanding that
it's probably not all gonna workout straight away.
So

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (27:49):
No, that's, yeah.
Um, other front row pairingnote, um, I went with Lindsey
Smith coming outta that Penrithsystem, I think.
Yeah, he, he could instill somegood, some good things over
there too.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (28:10):
I, I agree with that and I thought
about that, but.
I was, I wasn't thinking about acap necessarily and then kind of
threw it to the wind anyway.
But you know, I, I'd have Colinsthere or the one I've got down
there is kLab, I think.

(28:30):
I think, um, him and Tino in thefront would be just really
powerful.
Both got offloads, I think.
I think that'd be a really goodforward pairing.
So

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (28:44):
Yeah, I think I call him a tongue.
good.
And I, I think you're right.
Like, but it is another one.
I, I don't think let him go.
He's

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (28:57):
is on the, he's on the market, so
that's why, that's why I put himdown.
Did Lindsey Smith get pushedoutta that Penrith system you
reckon?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (29:07):
Um, I think, yeah, I'm not a hundred
percent sure the wholeeverything that's going on down
there, but I just think he's,he's been involved in that
winning squad for a couple ofseasons now, and you can take
that winning feeling and it toPerth with him.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (29:30):
Yeah, I, I can't see Penrith letting
go of another good front rowerlike they did with Fisher
Harris.
It, it's so soon.
I think they tie Lindsey up.
Apparently the Knights arechasing him as well.
Lindsey Smith.
So I, um, yeah, we'll just haveto see what happens with that.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (29:48):
it's, it gets worse for when it comes
to my side because my, um.
One of my back rowers is comingoutta that same system in Liam
Henry.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (30:00):
Yeah, I've actually got, I don't think
I have any Penrith players inhere at all.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (30:09):
I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (30:09):
I've done it with it.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (30:10):
he's young.
He's been involved in that samewinning culture.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (30:15):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (30:17):
he can take that big runner like
that, that heavy hit up.
He can run a good line.
can find his hands and kneeswhen he needs to tackle as well.
Uh, I mean, being young, he'sstill got those couple little
handling issues, but gonna comewith experience and playing more

(30:38):
football games.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (30:39):
Do we just go and do back rowers
now?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (30:42):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (30:43):
All right.
Alright, so which is your otherone?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (30:46):
My other back rower.
He spent a bit of time inPenrith as well.
Um, a bit of time up at theCowboys, done

the-incoherent-podcast_ (30:56):
already know.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (30:57):
up there, and now he is probably
one of the, one of the top threeback rows in the competition.
That's kick out.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (31:06):
Yeah, I've got kick out, but I've got
firmer from the Gold Coast.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (31:11):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (31:12):
I think.
I think firmer would be a very,very good signing to be honest.
He's, he's unbelievable.
He outplayed, he's outplayed thelast three seasons.
He's outplayed David Fafe, whichhasn't really been hard, but
he's been an absolute superstarfor them.
And I, I'd be trying to get intohis ear, bring him and Tino from

(31:33):
that system, and I, I thinkthey're on a pretty good way
with their Fords in that, to behonest.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (31:40):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (31:42):
So, and Kick out.
Kick out.
Just keeps giving, he's wonPremier Ships.
The Bulldogs are looking forsome salary cap relief like
Burton might be gettingreleased.
So he is another one that couldend up there at six.
Would I take, I'd probably takeBurton over Walter's if he was
available, but he wasn't on theavailable list, so that's why I
didn't pick him.
I didn't wanna, you know, adream that hasn't happened.

(32:06):
But if Burton became available,I'd probably take him Mobile
alters, to be honest.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (32:11):
Yeah.
Um, alright.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (32:15):
got at Hooker?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (32:16):
Yeah, so our hooker, I started with
Billy Walters

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (32:22):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (32:23):
went on the Jayden Barrel.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (32:26):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (32:26):
Um, playing second fiddle down there
at the Shire.
Doesn't get a whole lot of gametime and he's probably not gonna
get any game time in the nearfuture with Braley down there.
Bray's.
Unbelievable.
And,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (32:44):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (32:45):
I actually landed with Sam Vels.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (32:48):
Yeah.
Sam Vels

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (32:51):
Yep.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (32:52):
from the Gold Coast.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (32:53):
From the Gold Coast.
I think he's got enough firstgrade experience now.
not, he's not a superstarhooker, but he can

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (33:05):
Yeah.
I,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (33:06):
good,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (33:07):
I find he gets injured a lot.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (33:09):
Yeah.
But he's got that first gradeexperience that he could be over
there helping some up and comingjuniors coming through those two
cup sides.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (33:23):
Yeah.
If.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (33:25):
yeah.
Hooker was a, was a positionthat you could've went with
like, you know, I ideal worldyou Harry Grant.
It's

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (33:34):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (33:35):
but yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (33:38):
not likely.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (33:39):
being more realistically.
The other one I I sort ofthought about was Jake Simkin
from Manley.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (33:47):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (33:48):
Um, again, he's got enough first
grade experience that he could,he could go over there and be
your start and hooker and thensort of build from there.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (34:00):
yeah, yeah.
I went with um, Corey PS justone of Premier ship.
He's got Moses sitting there inBe behind him.
He is available, you can upgradehis pay and you can grab him.
He's a very, very good hooker.
And you could lock him down inthat nine position.
He's the first person to touchthe ball.

(34:21):
Every single set and isreliable, gets in, makes his
tackles I think, I think paceswould be a really good direction
to go.
You know, just won a premiershipand I think that's what you're,
what you're looking at, likeobviously my theme has sort of
been that I've, I'm trying totake a lot from that premiership

(34:42):
winning team of the Broncos, butthat's, that's what happens with
salary caps and bringing thisteam in you.
You lose players and I thinkpeaks could probably be
expendable to a certain degreeafter next season.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (34:57):
Yeah, I, I've gotta agree, like it's,
he's a good, a good fit and yougot him and Walters, but I, I
think Brisbane tried to sign oneof them because you got Moses

(35:17):
coming through and that's allwell and good, but yeah.
Is he gonna be first gradeready?

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (35:25):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (35:26):
Like, you're gonna

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (35:27):
a hundred percent.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (35:29):
you gotta, you gotta have that, that
challenge there as well.
Like Ben Hunt retires that.
Then the next year maybe, whoknows?

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (35:39):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (35:40):
You're gonna have nobody challenging.
And if PAs and Walters and Huntare all gone,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (35:47):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (35:48):
hope Blake, Moses got some big
shoulders.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (35:51):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29- (35:51):
Brisbane, Brisbane could also be going to
the market.
We, we don't know what's goingon as well.
Like

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (35:56):
No, no.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (35:57):
they could be looking at a couple of
these others that are coming offcontract as well.
But yeah, I, I just thinkBrisbane try and lock Walters or
PAs down.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (36:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (36:11):
Um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (36:12):
we'll see what happens.
Anyway, so here's your lock.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (36:17):
uh, I went for a young lock.
But he's played finals.
He's come out of a pretty goodsystem, and I went with Blake
Steep

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (36:30):
Yep.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (36:31):
from the roo.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (36:32):
I've, um, I've gone with the
experience mainly because thisplayer, along with Tino, along
with firmer, you know, kick out.
I think, I think this player iswhat you want to build your team
around on that toughness on thatnot giving up and pushing in.
Um, so I went with Kian McInnis.

(36:54):
I don't think the Sharks let himgo, but he'd, he'd be an
unbelievable player for them tohave just through his pure
experience and, and stuff likethat.
So I know he is getting a littlebit older, but

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (37:07):
That was, I've looked at McKinnis and
I thought the same thing, and itwas the same with Hooker.
And I thought about Damien Cookand the age was a big thing for
me and how much toll, butMcKinnis

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (37:22):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2 (37:23):
McKinnis done his ACL this year.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (37:26):
I think it was his ACL.
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (37:28):
Yeah.
So he's, he's gonna berecovering from that year.
And like, even like doing yourown ACL, like, you never know
how you're gonna come back fromit.
just one of those things, likeyou, you're always second
guessing yourself.
So, um, I guess we'll see howMcKinna comes back, whether he

(37:51):
is still that, still that typeof player or not.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (37:56):
Yep.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (37:58):
Uh,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (37:59):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (38:00):
who's on your bench?

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (38:03):
14.
I got wish up.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (38:05):
Uh, get around it, I don't think he
leaves that 14 role at Melbourneto go play 14 over there.
I think if he's

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (38:16):
I,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (38:17):
if he's gonna leave Melbourne, he's
gonna want to go to a startingsix or seven role.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (38:23):
yeah, I, I do understand that.
I think, I think that I've gothim on there to replace PS and
then he is there to replace theHARs if anything happens.
You know what I mean?
Like, um, I, I think he was thebest option for 14'cause he's so
versatile.

(38:44):
Um, yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (38:47):
In my, my fourteens.
He brings a little bit of Mongolto the field when he comes out
there and you've, you've seen itbecause he's been at your club
this season and last season.
That's Tyson Gamble.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (39:05):
I had gamble as a thought.
Here was my other thought,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (39:08):
He

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (39:08):
but I don't, I don't think he can
play that hooker role very well.
And that's where I, I don'tthink you can have a team
without two hookers now.
I don't think, I think the 80minute hookers are done thing,
like there's not too many of'emanymore.

zach-host729_1_10-29-20 (39:23):
Braley,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (39:25):
Yeah, I know.
But

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (39:27):
Harry Grant, red

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (39:28):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (39:30):
Most of the teams are still running
80 minute hookers.
They've just got that, that 14is so versatile.
They could play 9, 6, 7, 13 inthe centers.
I do,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (39:42):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (39:42):
do agree.
Having that ability to be ableto play.
Nine if needed

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (39:50):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (39:51):
is a big thing.
But yeah, I think it, if he hasto play nine and I guess it'll
come down to coaching.
Like if he's only gonna go outthere and do it for 10 minutes,
like,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (40:03):
And then drop back to lock.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (40:05):
yeah.
You are only, you're only outthere four or five sets,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (40:09):
Yeah.
I, I, I was trying to, trying tosqueeze gamble into my team.
'cause I actually really likegamble and think he still
deserves a spot in the NRL.
I don't think he's quite readyto go to the Super league.
Um,'cause I, yeah, I stillreally, really like gamble and
unfortunately the Knights aremoving on from him being an

(40:31):
option.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (40:32):
yeah.
I like his that he brings, like,I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (40:37):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (40:38):
think every team in NRL needs somebody
like gamble that's got that bitof Mongol in them.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (40:44):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (40:45):
Um, but I guess that was just a,
yeah.
Um, my other three, they're allpart of the Ford Pack that

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (40:57):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (40:57):
start if they really need to, but

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (41:00):
Yep,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (41:02):
yeah, I probably have'em on the bench
on my team if I'm the coach.
And that's Josh Curran,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (41:10):
yep.

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (41:12):
Frank, Frankie Mullo

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (41:14):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-20 (41:15):
Hughes.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (41:17):
Yep.
That's where we,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (41:18):
all, they've all been all been part
of systems that win footballgames and they're hard.
They, you know, like, They'rejust, I, I'm a, I'm a fan of C
Hughes.
I think he's gonna, gonna gowell.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (41:36):
yeah, I, um, I went a bit different,
but there, there's a lot tochoose from really, when you
have a look at that list.
Like, you can sit there and swappeople.
Like I wanted to put Rin inthere.
And then I took Rin out and Iended up, I went with, um, Wong
from the Roosters.
He's an up and coming player,young player.

(41:57):
I've got Nen from the Cowboys.
He's a very, he's a good frontrow.
I,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (42:03):
know I, I'm,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (42:03):
I,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (42:04):
I'm not saying he is not, but I'm
not letting him go.
You can get stuffed.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (42:09):
no, I'm going for Nen and I've got,
um, sewer,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (42:13):
no.
I'm, I'm not signing that oneoff.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (42:15):
I've got sewer to rear-end it off
there in the 17.
So

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (42:20):
Yeah, I, I don't mind Jayden.
Sorry.
He's, he's, yeah, he's, when he

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (42:27):
I think

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (42:28):
he's

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (42:28):
under,

zach-host729_1_10-29-20 (42:29):
though.

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (42:29):
under, I think under, they'll go to
another level to be honest.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (42:32):
Yeah, I, my just, my worry is, yeah,
when he's, he is not on, he's,yeah, he's not on.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (42:40):
I think, I think he needs to get
outta that dragon system.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (42:44):
yeah.
But then I look at that dragonsystem and like they could quite
easily be going places as well.
Like they're just that team

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (42:58):
Yeah, they, they've been like that for
ages though.
That's the, that's the thing.
Well, they've got these goodplayers that sit there like you,
you see Lomax that's gone toanother level again, since he's
left there, you know, like Iknow that, I know that a lot of
it had to do with, he wanted toplay in the centers and he
clearly his best spots wing.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (43:20):
yeah, that's right.
But I, I don't know.
I think dragons.
Dragons are pretty close tosneaking into that eight if Val
Holmes and that, uh, don't getinjured.
There was a

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (43:35):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (43:35):
as well, but Val Holmes is a big
loss for'em.
Big loss for the Cowboys.
We, we should never have let himgo.
I wish we had cap space.
Uh,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (43:44):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (43:45):
but

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (43:46):
But the, the thing is, you don't
want to just sneak into thateight.
You wanna be competitive whenyou get to that eight and, you
know, show your worth.
Do you think the dragons couldshow their worth in the eight if
they made it,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (43:59):
Well,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (44:00):
or you think they're a one and
done?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (44:02):
yeah, I don't know.
It's, it's hard because you, youlook at'em through the season
when a lot of close games

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (44:10):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (44:11):
and you know, like you get to finals
football and finals, football'sa whole different beast.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (44:18):
I don't, I, I just don't see'em
getting that next gear to dothat finals football thing.
I really don't.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (44:25):
I if, yeah.
Well, if I'm the Dragons, I'mprobably to the market this year
and looking for out and outnumber seven, because I don't
think Flanagan's your seven,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (44:38):
I wish they've spent more time
with IUs.
I think IUs isn't as bad as whatpeople making me out to be, so,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (44:45):
The Dragons should be probably
making a, a play at Hugo Savala.
The

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (44:51):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (44:51):
gonna push him out.
Now if Cherry Evans signing thedotted line, well, Savala's

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (44:56):
you, what are you assign him for?
Like he's a good half.
He's got a good boot on him, butI don't think that's gonna be
his position long term.

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (45:06):
Savala could play six, seven, or 13,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (45:09):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (45:10):
and he's.
He's, yeah, he's probably aplayer that you could build
around and if you're gonna lockhim down.
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (45:23):
Yeah.
But the same with if Burton, ifthey release Burton to have a
look at options as well, likethe Bears would be a good spot
for him to land, like be goodfor the Bears anyway.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (45:36):
I dunno.
Burton can come up to theCowboys play

the-incoherent-podcast_ (45:41):
that's, that's on, that's on the cards
too.
So.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (45:45):
So, I mean, I'd take Hugo up there
too, like,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (45:50):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (45:51):
yeah, yeah.
Ease.
But yeah, there's so manyvariables, so many players that
could.
Like we said before, this is alla super league.
We don't watch a whole heap ofQueensland Cup or

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (46:07):
Oh, I think, I think Tristan,
Tristan Sailor could come back.
He's, he's, he's not a bad, abad player.
He is just,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (46:16):
Does

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (46:16):
he know I'm fortunate for the way
things worked out.
Hey.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (46:20):
does he want to come back?
Because he is gone over thereand it's gone to a different
level.
He's,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (46:25):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (46:26):
he was killing it at the start of
the year and he's killed it mostof the year since

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (46:32):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (46:33):
yeah, I don't think, I don't think
they're gonna let him go withouta fight for him anyway.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (46:40):
No,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (46:41):
Says

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (46:42):
it could be the same as Bevin,
French just doesn't want to, butyou know, some of those players
go over to England and they,they just really enjoy
themselves.
So,

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (46:51):
That's right.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (46:53):
you know, I, I don't think I seen, I
didn't see anything that in thatAshes game that stood out to
sign for the Bears to bechasing.
I, yeah.
What do you reckon, like George,George Williams is going to the
Dolphins to play alongside Cat?

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (47:17):
there, there's a couple of them.
See, there's another one youcould, perf could pick up
reasonably cheap, that snickeris getting replaced.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (47:32):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (47:32):
W when he was on this year, him
and Kato worked so welltogether, and I, they always
talked about Nico this, Nicothat coming through that
Brisbane setup, and he, heshowed little glimpses, but this
year and yeah, since he went tothe Dolphins, really, he's, he's

(47:55):
shown it more often.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (47:57):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (47:57):
I don't know.
Perth go over there playing themouth a couple years.
He, he could be all right.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (48:04):
yeah.
No, I agree with that.
I think Nima was paid too muchto go over to New Zealand and
that kind of killed it.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (48:12):
yeah.
And he, he's another one thatcan play six, seven or, or nine
if really needed to.
Like,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (48:22):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (48:22):
be your, your 14.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (48:25):
yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.
But there, there's a lot of goodplayers out there on the market
and all these other clubs thatare struggling.
They, they should be up having alook at some of these players as
well.
Just don't overpay for'em.
That quick fix, frigging,multimillion dollar deal doesn't
always work out.

(48:46):
So for feeders, for feeder, youknow, Ash Taylor, all these
players, they get given all thisbig money and it doesn't fill
out.
So you've gotta, you've gottareally pick and be sure of the
player that you're getting andwhat reason you're getting them
for.
I know it's a very Titan playtype thing.
Over paper.
That's what they've gotta do.

(49:07):
The knights do the same thing.
We've had some atrocious deals,so, and we're yet to learn
whether or not the brown one'sgonna be an atrocious one or a
good one.
So

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (49:17):
I'm still very much on the fence of
Brown.
I, I really don't see him as theseven,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (49:25):
I don't think you will be the
seven.
I don't think you'll be theseven,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (49:29):
Um, yeah, so it'd be, really
interesting to watch and see howthat whole thing pans out at
Newcastle.
Um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (49:40):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (49:40):
with sand.
And Smith confirmed definitelygoing up the

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (49:46):
For four years.
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (49:49):
Um, but yeah, it.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (49:52):
I, I just don't think you can send
Fletcher Sharp back to the wing.
I don't think there's a spot forhim on The Wing anyway.
But I know that his, his bestspot's fullback, but he's not
better than pga.
If PGA is still there, pong isstill the fullback.
You need Fletcher Sharp in themiddle of the field around the
ball.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (50:13):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_ (50:14):
That's, that's the problem.
And the, and the other problemis he didn't actually play that
bad at six to justify taking himoutta that halve outta the
halves.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (50:25):
No.

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (50:26):
People didn't think it was gonna work
when he got put into six in thefirst place, and he proved them
wrong by having an outstandingseason.
So what's to say?
You can't play half that.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (50:35):
Yeah.
Well, everyone doesn't know thatthat's where he learned the
football.
He

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (50:44):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (50:45):
He, he grew up like all through his
Cessna career.
Like he, he was a seven.
He went to the Knights as aseven.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (50:55):
And that's who I'd be having ESMI
seven.
And I'd have CI as the numbernine.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (51:00):
he's, yeah, he's, he's experience in
the NRL.
It's getting up there.
He had a pretty horrific injury.
him out for the

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (51:12):
Well, he still hasn't played that many
games.
He, he's, he's proved himself,but he hasn't had that many
games.
He'd be still under 50 games.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (51:20):
yeah, I know that.
But

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (51:21):
I.

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (51:21):
that's what I'm getting at.
It's, it's the experience ofbeing able to run the team at an
NRL level.
probably gonna be the only thingthat hurts.
Fletch going to seven, but if hehas the right players around him
and he's got that experience inhis Ford pack that can get
forward, get the hands andknees, and let him go from there

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (51:45):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (51:46):
on

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (51:47):
I use natural game.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (51:49):
kick the

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (51:49):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-20 (51:50):
There's no reason Fletcher Sharp can't
run that team.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (51:53):
Well that's our, that's our teams
anyway.
Do you wanna run through yourwhole team or?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (51:59):
Yeah, so just a, a bit of a recap.
Uh, Buller at one, Cobo at two.
Jesse YaaS as his wing partner,and then I got Nick Meany, Ruben
Gar as me center pairingAmarillo at six.
Jaden Campbell, seven Big Tinoand Lindsey Smith.

(52:22):
Me two front Rowers, Sam Vels MiHooker.
Kick out Liam Henry as me twoEdge back rowers Blake's steep
packing in at 13.
Then on me Bench, Tyson Gamble,Josh Curran, Frankie Mullo, Sam

(52:43):
Hughes, I think, yeah, overall Ithink is a good balance.
In there's, yeah.
Some experience out there.
There's some just starting theircareers out.
I just, yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (53:01):
Yeah, no, I agree.
I, I don't think that's a badteam to be honest.
I, I think it's pretty good.
But my, my team was Ja Gray atFallback.
Cabo at two.
Arthur's at five.
Tomoko at three.
Gar at four.
Billy Wilders at six.
Humphrey's at seven.
At seven.
Kama.
Kgi at eight PS at nine, 10.

(53:25):
Oh, at 10.
Kick out at 11 fi.
Furthermore, at 12, McInnis at13, we shot at 14.
Wong at 15, N at 16, and sewerat 17.
Think that's a pretty over thecap team, to be honest.
Once you go through those, someof those forwards anyway, so

(53:45):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (53:46):
So November one's around the corner
and maybe it's gonna beinteresting time these next
couple of weeks.
I think there's gonna be a lotof, lot of talks, a lot of
speculation about differentplayer movements.
Uh.
The, yeah, I, I kind of can'twait.
It's, it's probably been one ofthe, the best off or the, the,

(54:11):
the most talked about off seasonover the last few years anyway.
I don't think there was quitethis much height when the
dolphins come in.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (54:20):
No, because yes, kind of watched all
the players go in and out andtalk to'em and turn'em down.
It was kind of underwhelming.
I think that's all you rememberof it.
Like the cheese went in there,turned them down, ponga went in
there, turned them down.
Like everyone months, they wentin there, turned them down.
You know, they only grabbed

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (54:38):
I think

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (54:38):
the hammer at last minute before the
season.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (54:42):
yeah.
Well, and that was'cause hecouldn't find his way back to
that one spot with us.
But I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (54:50):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (54:51):
have probably watched it a bit more
closer this year, this timearound.
And.
Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (54:59):
It'll be, it'll be interesting.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (55:02):
I would assume that there'd be
phone calls that have alreadybeen made.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (55:07):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-20 (55:08):
there's nothing that the media and the
NRL, they, they're not, thephones aren't getting tracked.
Like there'd be

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (55:15):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (55:15):
that bears have spoke to that nobody
knows about, and there'd be acouple little handshakes going
on here and we can offer youthis.
And yeah.
So

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (55:26):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (55:27):
is all just speculation and this
is,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (55:30):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (55:31):
like, yeah, I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (55:34):
And at the end of the day, you dunno
what sort of third partyagreements they've got, it
would've been part of theapplication, what they can
provide third party wise to make'em competitive and all of that.
It, it, it'd be a lot morecomplex than what we think it
is, so than what we notice it isanyway.
So it'll be interesting.

(55:55):
It's gonna be, it's gonna be apretty interesting off season
anyway and in the next season.
So a few of those players,they're gonna have to move
quickly on to get theirsignature, but.
But there might be a few ofthose bigger ones that, you
know, they can hold off a littlebit and sort of see where they
wanna be in six months time.

(56:16):
So, you know, as long as it'sall before preseason next year,
I suppose, and they'll have afair idea of where they're gonna
be at.
So, yeah.
So we do a little bit of asports route.
Um, we had the, oh, PacificChampionships, SAMO were beaten
Tonga in that, um, game that wasrain delayed for a very long

(56:40):
time.
Or we was watching the game andthen got over the delay and
ended up playing PlayStationinstead.
But, um.
Yeah, it wasn't too bad a gamegood on Samoa for making the
win, and it puts the pressure onTonga to try and beat New
Zealand this week, or it'll be aNew Zealand Samoa final, which

(57:04):
is pretty good for the Samoaafter making that other, um,
final not too long ago either.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (57:12):
Yeah, I don't, the way Tonga played
played, um, I don't know.
It was, it just didn't look upfor it.
I mean, I know there was a lotof, a lot of their players
played much football of late,but.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (57:31):
I think they'll getting back into
the game just before that raindelay to be, to be fair, I think
if that game doesn't getdelayed, I think it's a very
different outcome.
I, I think, I think Tonga wasstarting to get the momentum.
Go their way.

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (57:46):
losing the captain the night before the
game probably deflates him alittle bit.
Um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (57:54):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (57:55):
yeah, but I, I don't see him beating
New Zealand.
I

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (58:02):
They also, they, they lost like five
minutes into the game too.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (58:06):
a hundred percent, he's already
ruled out for this week.
So he, he doesn't play.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (58:13):
Yeah.
Same as yo.
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (58:16):
yeah, no, haven't anything on any
cowboys pages or anything justto see how going

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (58:26):
Uh, apparently he's back in,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (58:28):
So, um.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (58:30):
I think.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (58:31):
Yeah, it's, I dunno, it's gonna be an
interesting one,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (58:37):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (58:37):
I don't, yeah, don't think they,
they beat New Zealand.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (58:43):
No, I don't see him beating New
Zealand.
New Zealand are coming off ahigh, off that first game and
had the fortnight off, so, orthe week off, um, B'S team, like
I said before, I, England didn'tget very much.
Um, I don't think they were, uh,I don't think, I think England

(59:05):
had the ability, I think theyjust went about it the wrong way
and tried to pass their way tovictory and it didn't quite work
out for'em.
Um, it was a close game formajority of it.
It wasn't, it wasn't like it wasa flogging from the get go.
They just tired out in the end.

(59:25):
So I think that, um.
I think England are on a, on theright to trajectory, but surely
they could have, you know,included Brimson into that team
to um, to help give a little bitof spark to it.
Like farm worth wasunbelievable.

(59:46):
George Williams was doing reallywell, but you can see that
they've had NRL experience.
So otherwise the Fords and thatwere just getting beaten back
and, you know, Bateman's still agrub, so

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:00:00):
No.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:00:01):
you see him put the knee into the
back of freaking old mate'shead.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:00:05):
Yeah, I did.
Um, and yeah, I did placed thecowboys.
I gotta defend him.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (01:00:12):
He is just got that grub in him.
He, he was an option for thatBears team and I could not put
him in there for the simple factof, he's not what he was when he
was at Canberra.
And two,, like gives away toomany penalties, and you don't
need that with a new team thatneeds confidence.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:00:27):
No, you don't.
Um, but I don't know, it's, I, Istayed up.
I knew if I went to sleep Iwouldn't, I wouldn't get back up
to watch it and been the firstactress for a while.
So I really wanted to watch itlive.
Uh, yeah, I just, I thinkAustralia would, were good.

(01:00:53):
Like at the end of the day, theywere, the ability to go wide.
And I don't think England had,they just

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (01:01:05):
A Walsh.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:01:06):
No, they didn't have Reese Walsha at
all.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:01:09):
No, they don't have that game broker
to step up and I think Brimsoncould have gave him a little bit
of that.
'cause he brings that sort ofenergy, you know,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:01:19):
do you play in,

the-incoherent-podcas (01:01:20):
fullback.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:01:22):
you move on Wellby.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:01:24):
Yeah.
I don't think Wellby didanything spectacular to warrant
keeping his position.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:01:30):
I, um, yeah, but I, a lot of the
England team gets picked simplybecause they play in England
week in, week out, like.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:01:46):
Yeah.
Well that's what was said thatSean Wayne went for a, we'll
show you that there's enoughtalent in the Super league on
its team without NRL players,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:01:54):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:01:55):
but he still had NRL players in
there.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:01:57):
Oh, he

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (01:01:57):
Right.
He would, if Rad was a avail, ifBradley's available, he would've
put him in there.
But Bradley makes a differenceto that team.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:02:07):
Yeah.
Uh, Dominic Young hasn't playedsince start of September.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:02:13):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:02:14):
John Bateman hasn't played since the
start of September.
Brimson would've been the same.
Like Yeah, if you go adding toomany NRL players, I think
especially for those of theplayers that haven't played
since we start of finals, likeit's a long time about playing

(01:02:37):
football.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:02:39):
no, the problem's gonna be that, you
know, they're gonna pick theseplayers.
Australia's gonna come out andflog'em, and then they're gonna
re-pick new players and startwith new combinations and next
year's the World Cup.
Like they need to try and buildoff what they've already got and
improve on it.
Have a look at last week's gameand bring those players in or
change out those players thatdid let you down and put in

(01:03:03):
players that will do the job foryou.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:03:05):
Yeah.
Uh, game two played to Evertonon Sunday morning.
I, yeah, if 20 minutes, uh,played quite similar to Game one
Australia.
Go on.
They win it and they probablywin the series three.

(01:03:25):
Nil England come out in theirfirst 20 minutes and bash
Australia at

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:03:32):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:03:33):
On, and the series is on.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:03:36):
Yeah.
They've, they've just gotta wantit.
That's all.
That's all they've gotta do.
Like the Aussies are gonna thinkthat they're just gonna walk all
over'em.
And that's the worst thing withAustralia.
You come out and go at'em andgive them a competition.
They struggle to find the formthat they need to, but time will

(01:03:56):
tell.
You know, Australia's got apretty strong team.
I just don't think that it's sadto see England so far behind

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:04:05):
Who gets the lock roll,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:04:08):
with OR.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:04:09):
Do you

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (01:04:10):
Carri.
Carrigan Carrigan's

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:04:11):
do you think

the-incoherent-podcast_ (01:04:12):
already been named.
They've already named the team.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:04:16):
Uh,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:04:16):
named a lot.
Lindsay Col.
Lindsay Smith's coming into, um,in the front row.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:04:23):
Um, let's see how outta service I've
been the last couple of Um, butI know that it was a bit of talk
with a stranger getting thedebut and possibly played a 13
role.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:04:39):
Yeah, I could have seen that.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (01:04:40):
I could have really got around it.
I think he could.
Quite easily play 13 and be that

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:04:46):
Yeah.
It might be on the bench to comein and do that exact thing.
I'm not a hundred percent sure

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:04:52):
do you

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (01:04:53):
I can have a look.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:04:54):
And told me, did no,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:04:57):
Um, yeah, if you're gonna play him
at 13, you could I think,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:05:02):
you run the risk of having that
extra, that person that could goout and play front row or back
row or you take two head knocks,lose two front rowers, even
strange.
And Tommy did and can't go outand play in the front row.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:05:20):
oh, sorry.
Lindsay Collins has gone tofront row with Tino and Lindsay
Smith's on the bench.
With Ruben Kota and, um, ton.
So no, he didn't Strange, didn'tmake it into the, he's not even
on the extended bench,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:05:41):
Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:05:42):
so, but yeah.
Carrigan's going back to, um,13.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:05:45):
yeah, I know there was, yeah, there
was talk of I, uh, strange orpossibly Kota go to 13 and stays
up front, which I could have gotaround as well.
But, um, yeah, I just, I don'tknow.
I, I dunno why the Superleague's so far behind the NRL

(01:06:10):
though.
And do you see it improving with

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:06:14):
Uh.

zach-host729_1_10-29 (01:06:15):
purchasing and, and implementing rules and
everything?

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:06:21):
No, because I think that, I think
that, um, it comes down to the,the training and attitude.
I don't, I don't think it'sanything less, you know what I
mean?
Like it's just the way thetraining facilities and all that
is set up.
It's also the way they play thegame.
They played a score every set.

(01:06:42):
Australia doesn't, we playdefense and

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:06:45):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcas (01:06:46):
pressure.

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (01:06:46):
really annoyed me with that first game
was how, much the English thingslowed it down.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:06:54):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:06:54):
Like Australia's just so

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:06:57):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:06:58):
get it moving and yeah, they just, I
don't know.
It annoyed me.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (01:07:03):
We do have an, we got an Australian
referee.
This.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:07:05):
the referee this week being
Australian, um, yeah, hopefullyit does speed it up a little
bit, but,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:07:13):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:07:15):
and I think.
That could also really, reallyhurt England.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:07:22):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:07:23):
Um, because if it is faster, they're
just going, you gonna fallbehind even

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:07:30):
Also, the NRL teams have better
competition to play against,like every single NRL game's.
Not an easy game, it's, they'rea hard game where in the Super
League you've got teams in therethat aren't really up to
standard of a first grade

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:07:44):
Uh,

the-incoherent-pod (01:07:45):
competition.
They're not playing the best ofthe best every week like they
sort of do here.
So that, that's a conditioningthing as well.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:07:52):
but

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:07:52):
So.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:07:53):
at with, if the NRL does officially
take it all over, I think thatpart of the game could change a
little bit and there'd be alittle bit more competition
'cause teams would be able,'cause.
They'll have their caps, theteams will be able to, to pay
for other players, and I thinkit'll spread that talent out a

(01:08:18):
little bit more and bring themall closer together.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:08:21):
Yep.
No, I agree.
Um, I watched a little bit ofthe cricket the other day, one
of the one days, the one where,um, India were going down with
cramp by the end of the game,which confused me.
I thought it must have been somesort of tactic that they were
playing, but

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:08:39):
Well,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:08:39):
you reckon it was a tactic?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:08:41):
you, you can waste a little bit of
time.
Um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:08:45):
There was like six of them down with
at the same time.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:08:49):
yeah, I don't know.
I didn't, I, I watched the, thelast game the day, but yeah, I
don't know.
It, it, it's a different heat.
Different, different climateover here compared to what
they're used to.
And

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:09:09):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_204 (01:09:10):
I think that plays on a lot of
them.
So it could very well have beenjust simple cramps

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:09:17):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:09:19):
game in Sydney was only two days
after the Adelaide game,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:09:25):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:09:26):
of 'em would've been fatigued.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:09:28):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:09:29):
it was good to see Coley back in
the runs, but I mean, not sogood for Australia, but battered
well come out if he to beginwith.
But once he got off a duck, hejust went to work and it

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:09:45):
Yep.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:09:47):
yeah, you wouldn't have thought that
he'd got back to back ducks.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:09:51):
No,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:09:52):
Same as wrote Sharma like you
wouldn't have thought that he'dbeen struggling for, to score
runs that a hundred.
The other night was just.
It's clean.
It wasn't, it's hardly a chancegiven

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:10:07):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:10:09):
So, um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (01:10:11):
I, I don't think it's been too bad
of a one day series.
I think the 2020 started today,but you know, it's a good, good,
good warmup before we take onEngland in the ashes anyway, so,
which I'm looking forward to.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:10:30):
yeah, can't, can't wait for the ass.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:10:35):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:10:36):
So, although Amanda told me the
other day that probably notgoing down to her parents for
Christmas, so quite possibly notgoing to the Melbourne test that
all I want to

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (01:10:50):
I may.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:10:50):
to a Boxing Day ashes test.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:10:53):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:10:53):
Yeah, it's probably not gonna happen
this year, so

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:10:57):
Yeah.
Well,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:10:58):
wait for him to come back again in a
couple years time.
Maybe I sneak down to Sydney and

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:11:04):
maybe we do.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:11:05):
day.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:11:06):
Yeah, maybe we do.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:11:08):
Yeah, well maybe,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (01:11:11):
Go watch day three of a Sydney
test.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:11:14):
well, I, remember years ago I went and
watched and Australia.
It was the, the year MichaelClark got his 3 29 and yeah,
started day one.
And then by the end of day one,I'd bought tickets for GA day
two.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:11:35):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:11:36):
then lunchtime day two, I bought
tickets for three, four, andfive.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:11:41):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:11:41):
just the atmosphere down there.
Unbelievable

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:11:47):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:11:47):
that,

the-incoherent-podcast_1 (01:11:48):
wanna, I wanna see what it's like.
I've never been to a cricketgame at all, so.

zach-host729_1_10-29-202 (01:11:51):
That's why I love to go watch Boxing
Day test, an actions test,listening

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:11:57):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:11:58):
Army,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:11:59):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:12:00):
them a go.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:12:02):
yeah, yeah.
Well, this week I haven't gotmuch on gaming other than the
Battlefield six Battle Royalemode coming out yesterday.
Um, I've been given it a go.
It's not too bad.
You can pay duos or quads.
Um, I need a partner.
I think it'd be far better offon it, but it, its actually

(01:12:23):
really good and it's free foranyone that you know has past
five.
Xbox pc.
You can play that mode fornothing, so, which is really
good.
But yeah, you got anything forgaming?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:12:37):
I've done absolutely zero gaming.
Um.
Most of my weekend was packingeverything up, ready to go away
for work and well, yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:12:48):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:12:49):
away, so

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:12:51):
yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:12:52):
back working some big days and
whatnot now.
So I haven't, haven't had a, hada lot to do with any gaming.
Uh, watched a few videos on the,on the new Cricket, but, um,
yeah, I, I'm still very muchlooking forward to Cricket
coming out in a couple of weeks.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:13:12):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:13:13):
as well.
Um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (01:13:16):
I know we've got the new Xbox that
we can talk about and stuff likethat, but you know, it's already
in an hour 20 now, so just dragit out more.
So we might save that till nextweek when there's not as much to
talk about.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:13:27):
yeah, um, I'll do a bit more research
on the Xbox, so I'm veryinterested to see how that, that
multi-platforms gonna work.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:13:37):
Yeah.
All right.
We'll move into our predictionsanyway.
So our predictions are broughtto you by cross air pipe and
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zach-host729_1_10-29-2 (01:13:52):
Hoover's tips this week because, well,
he's, he's not here, so

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:13:58):
yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:13:58):
hiss outta the way.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (01:14:00):
So he's got New Zealand to beat
Tonga, and he has the SanFrancisco 49 ERs to beat whoever
they're playing.
I haven't got the draw up infront of me.
So I'm not sure who they'replaying.
I got a win last week, so bothof my predictions come right
with Australia and the Ravens,which was a little bit of a

(01:14:21):
copier.
Um, we also got our three horsetrifecta for the Cox plate.
Um, we're gonna do the MelbourneCup, but we'll post that onto
our page once we've figured outwhat we've got.
'cause um, Hoover's not here.
And um, and then we'll talkabout it after the cups run, I
suppose, whether we won or not.

(01:14:43):
But um, yeah, I've got, I've gotthe Ravens to win this week.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:14:49):
Back to back.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:14:51):
Yeah, Ravens to go back to back beat
Miami.
Um, and I've also got me andUnited to beat Nottingham
Forest.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:14:59):
Yeah.
Well hopefully not even forestthe season.
Can't go, can't get much worse.
Um, United, uh, pains me to sayit, but ar is starting to play
some good football over there,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:15:17):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:15:18):
but at the end of the day, me and
Chester still blue and it willstay blue.
So for all United supporters,well false hopes and dreams.
So, um,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:15:32):
I'll get a win this week.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:15:34):
they should, if you look at United
over the last few years, theyshould have won a lot more games
that they didn't and it's teamslike Forest little ones they've
dropped points to.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:15:49):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:15:50):
Uh, but yeah, they.
Forest, they're, they're down inthe dump, so sack pour in.
Uh, and yeah, relegation, theymight

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:16:05):
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:16:06):
back

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10-2 (01:16:07):
I think they're in dramas.
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_20 (01:16:09):
So my couple of teams, I've gone to
the A-League and I've not muchof an A-League supporter these
days.
Um, I find it, it's very slow.
They lot of, yeah.
It's so much behind the rest ofthe world.
But both my, my tips are comingfrom the A-League, uh, Sydney FC

(01:16:35):
to knock the jets off.
I,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:16:38):
Yeah.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:16:39):
the, the Jets.
They, they won the cup.
They

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10 (01:16:44):
One last week.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:16:45):
Lost to Central Coast round one last
week.
They got a win, but still don'tthink it was convincing enough,
I think.
Yeah.
Sydney fc.
Yeah.
I just be a good game.
But I think Sydney FC or Pippain the post, um, a one they

(01:17:06):
should win quite easily.
and as part of that whole city,city band and Melbourne City to
beat the Brisbane Royal,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_10- (01:17:19):
So you got, both of yours are in
the A-League this week.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:17:22):
both, I've gone both a league this
week.
Um, City in Brisbane.
They kicked the, kicked theround off on Friday night up by
seven.
Played in Brisbane.
Um, but I think, yeah.
Melbourne's too strong.
They, they've been right at thetop for a couple of years now,

(01:17:43):
and I think, yeah, they'llcontinue that and be Brisbane on
Friday night.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:17:50):
Yep.
Well that's our predictions forthe week, so should be good.
And um, Melbourne Cup onTuesday.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:18:00):
Yeah.
So on the Facebook page.
Uh, get over there.
We'll post what our prediction.
We're just gonna put a boxtrifecta in there.
Pick or pick a horse each and,

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:18:15):
Yep.
Yeah,

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:18:16):
maybe I, we, yeah, a conjoin trifecta
as well as picking our owntrifectas.
See how close we all are.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_ (01:18:27):
yeah, yeah.
We'll see how we go.
So you got anything else forthis week?

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_2 (01:18:35):
No, I think that's just about it.
Like I said, we'll, we'll do abit of research on this new
combined system and yeah, we'llgive you our thoughts on it next
week.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:18:48):
Yep.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025_ (01:18:49):
Talk about, yeah, how much we've lost
on Melbourne Cup.

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:18:54):
Yep.
Well, well let's buy from usanyway.

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:18:59):
Yeah, it's from me and I guess, um,
Hoover's.
Yeah.
Well he is probably asleep beingcrook, but be see

the-incoherent-podcast_1_1 (01:19:07):
Yep.
Missy Seer need him back for theseer, so

zach-host729_1_10-29-2025 (01:19:12):
Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcas (01:19:12):
hopefully he can give us his team next
week.
So, all right.
Bye.
From us.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Thank you for joining Zach Hoover and I on the Inca
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