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I've had a couple of people tell me that theydon't do as much professional development as
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they used to.
They're not going on courses or they don't goto as many conferences.
And I've had people tell me that The CorporateBartender is kind of their professional
development.
They come here to learn stuff that they canactually use at work, and they don't leave
disappointed.
So I think being passionate, having a uniqueapproach, being okay with the realities of what
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podcasting is, and figuring out how you can usethat to inspire other people.
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Hello and welcome, inspired podcast community.
This is your new episode.
My name is Caroline, and my today's guest isEric Spencer.
And I'm so happy that he's said yes to ourinterview.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing fantastic.
I'm super excited to be here.
Thanks for having me on, Caroline.
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I would like to introduce you to the audiencefirst.
Okay.
You are the COO of SkyeTeam, bringing over 25years of experience in human resources and
leadership development.
You are the co-author of You, Me, We (01:46):
Why We
All Need a Friend at Work (and How to Show Up
as One), and you host The Corporate Bartenderpodcast.
Welcome to the Inspired Podcast, Eric Spencer.
Well, thank you, Caroline.
Thanks for having me on.
Thank you so much for saying yes.
My first question is, what inspired you toco-author "You Me We," and what key message do
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you hope readers take away?
Yeah.
So "You Me We" is actually a follow-up book tomy business partner's first book called
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The Power of Winning
Relationships." And that book was focused on
assessing the quality of relationships that youhave at work.
This book is focused on what are theintentional actions you can take in investing
in those relationships.
It's based on a model that we call the allymindset, and it gives you a framework for
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making intentional choices when you want toinvest in and better relationships at work.
Wow.
What a great answer.
Thank you so much.
I'm inspired already.
And, of course, I have another question foryou.
My next question is how has your experience asa musician influenced your approach to
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leadership development?
That's a great question.
You know, growing up as a musician and startingmy life as a drummer and percussionist, you
know, you're in the back.
You're in the back, but you have a key role inmaking sure that the orchestra, the band,
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whatever ensemble you're in stays on task andgets to where it needs to be and delivers the
experience that the audience and the otherfolks in the ensemble are looking for.
And I think I take a similar approach whenworking with individuals in executive coaching
situations or with teams over time isunderstanding the value of the contributions of
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each of the folks in that team, in thatorchestra.
Everybody's got a key role to play even ifyou're just the triangle player.
Sometimes that triangle part comes out all byitself, and you need to be on time and in time
with the rest of the folks making sure that themusic comes out the way it needs to.
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I think there's a lot of parallels betweencreating music with a bunch of other people and
working as a team inside of an organization,knowing and understanding everybody's role and
where they fit and how to best contribute makesfor the best concerts, makes for the best
teams.
Wow.
What a great answer.
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Thank you so much.
So everyone in the orchestra is important tohave a perfect play?
Everyone's important.
Wow.
Okay.
I learned something.
My next question
is even violas who have a hard time staying intune.
Oh, okay.
Can you share a memorable moment from hostingThe Corporate Bartender podcast that
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significantly impacted your perspective onleadership?
Yeah.
I mean, there's been so many.
We've done The Corporate Bartender now for fouryears, and we've had just a litany of really
great guests.
But the one that comes to mind when you askthat question is, you know, we had a guest who
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is the CEO of a company here in Colorado.
His name is Phil McKinney, and his focus is oninnovation.
And, you know, innovation is the thing that wealways think about in terms of technology and
in terms of product.
And we don't often think about innovation interms of the people side of business, on the
human side.
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And he brought to The Bartender a framework forthinking about doing innovative work, but more
focused on people and process.
So how can you be innovative using, you know,the standard innovation techniques, design
thinking principles, and the like, when puttingtogether your people strategies?
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And I thought that was just, that was a biglight bulb moment for me and for a lot of our
guests.
We've gotten a lot of feedback on that episode,and that's an oldie.
That was one we did probably three years ago,but it just keeps coming up.
It keeps coming back because of that thinkingabout things a little bit differently and
applying principles in unorthodox ways.
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We had another guest recently.
His name is Squirrel, and that's what he goesby.
Douglas Squirrel is his name.
And he's an engineer, and his approach isapplying agile software development principles
to human interactions.
And I love that.
I've been preaching the power of doing aretrospective at the end of any, you know,
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normal program process, not just when you'redeveloping software, but when you're doing
anything because there's always value inlooking back.
And I think in corporate these days, we tend tolook back when things break, but we don't often
look back when things go well, and there'sdefinitely value in that.
So those two episodes really stand out to me assort of moments for applying things that we
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know about in a different way on the peopleside of business.
Wow.
Thank you so much for sharing.
I will definitely have a listen, of course.
This is a great share.
Thank you so much.
And what would you say when someone wants tostart their own podcast today, what would you
say how to start?
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Oh, it's so funny.
Everybody has a podcast these days.
I would say a couple of things.
You have to be really passionate about thething that you're talking about.
I've seen so many podcasts that start up, andthey get going, and then they just sort of
fizzle out.
The podcaster loses interest or life gets toobusy or whatever.
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So you have to be really passionate about it.
We do it at the bartender because we have builta community.
It's a little different than the standard sortof interviewer, interviewee podcast.
We do it with an open call, and so anybody cancome.
So I never know who's gonna show up week toweek in the audience.
And we've been doing it for four years.
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So sometimes we see people that we haven't seenfor a couple of years, and we do a little
community building upfront, and we do a littlecommunity building at the end.
So it's a different take.
So if you have a different angle or somethingthat makes your podcast unique, I think that's
really important because there are just so manypodcasts on every topic under the sun.
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The other thing I would say is don't expect tomake a lot of money.
It's a labor of love, my podcast.
It's not monetized.
It actually demonetizes me because it costs memoney to do and keep it out there.
But I do it for the community, and I just lovebeing able to give back to those folks that
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have been around from the beginning and thosefolks that are new to the party.
I've had a couple of people tell me that theydon't do as much professional development as
they used to.
They're not going on courses, or they don't goto as many conferences.
And I've had people tell me that The CorporateBartender is kind of their professional
development.
They come here to learn stuff that they canactually use at work, and they don't leave
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disappointed.
So I think being passionate, having a uniqueapproach, being okay with the realities of what
podcasting is, and figuring out how you can usethat to inspire other people.
Oh, yes.
I absolutely agree.
We have to be passionate about, especially, thetopic we provide, and also, I would add
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persistence as well, but you said this in thebeginning.
I think that many podcasters quit after orbefore episode 12.
I think these are the statistics.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for sharing, and I would liketo know about your coaches and mentors.
Do you have coaches and mentors, and who is thebest coach you ever had?
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Yeah.
I mean, like most people, you kinda gatherthose folks along your journey.
And, you know, I've been in the career spacedoing my arc for, you know, nigh on 30-plus
years now.
And, at each stage of life, there's beensomebody who has been sort of a beacon for me.
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And, you know, it started off for me when I wasin high school, my band director.
Right?
Remember we talked about I was a percussionist,and I was in the back, and I didn't understand
a lot of things about how I was adding value.
And he, I mean, he just taught me so much aboutlife in general.
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Willing to invest the time in treating me as awhole person, not just a, you know, a tool to
make the orchestra sound better.
So that was number one.
And then, you know, through my career, I'vebeen fortunate enough to, to just be blessed
with some amazing leaders along that way.
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I reported to a CFO at one point in time, so Iwas essentially running HR for a software
company.
And, you know, HR, we've always sort of foughtfor that seat at the table.
We want to be on the executive team so we canhelp influence those people side of the
business decisions.
And I got funneled underneath finance and Ithought, oh, this is gonna be terrible.
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I don't want to report into finance.
And she was amazing.
She was amazing.
Her name was Diane Chestnut, and she taught meso much about how to be successful, how to lead
via influence.
Because as an HR person, you never have muchorganizational power.
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So you have to be really good at connectingwith people.
And she taught me a lot about how to do thatand lessons that I lean on every day to this
day.
Wow.
What a great share, thank you so much.
Yes.
We all need coaches and mentors.
And what I got from your answer is that we canlearn from everyone.
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Right?
We can teach people, and we can, if we are opento it, of course, we get messages and lessons.
Yes.
Let's take lessons.
And my next question is where can we find youwhen people want to reach out to you after
listening to this episode?
Yeah.
For sure.
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Easiest place is skyeteam.com.
That's SkyeTeam.
Skye like the Isle of Skye in Scotland.
That's the easiest place to find me.
I'm on LinkedIn.
Pretty easy to find there too.
Of course, The Corporate Bartender podcast iswherever you're listening to this.
You can probably listen to it there.
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And our episodes are all on YouTube too.
So if you prefer to watch, you can watch themon
Wow.
That's amazing.
Yes.
I would check it out.
I put the links in the show notes as well.
And yeah.
And my last question for you is about yourgoals and intentions.
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Do you set goals for yourself or intentions?
And what is one of your next projects?
Yeah.
So goal setting is a really important part ofmy process, and it's actually another thing
that I learned from a guest on The CorporateBartender.
That guest brought to us an idea of what hecalls a Zen Day.
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So once a month, he blocks off a day or once aquarter.
You pick the container.
Blocks off a whole day to do two things.
One, to sort of look retrospectively back atthat period.
How did you do against the goals that you hadset for that period?
And then a look forward, so you're settinggoals for that next period.
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I'm an ardent journaler of all my ideas.
I have a device that I've grown to love, and ithelps me with goal setting and staying on track
with those goals.
It's called the Remarkable.
Love it.
It is an e-ink device.
So I'm a notebook guy, and I used to carryaround notebooks for everything.
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I had my music notebook, and I had my worknotebook, and I had my goals notebook, and I
had my gratitude journal.
And I travel a lot.
That's a lot to shove into a backpack.
It gets heavy.
So this device allows me to keep all mynotebooks in one easy-to-carry space, and it
gives me the opportunity to reflect on thosegoals as I go.
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Right?
So they're not sitting at home in a notebookthat I didn't bring with me.
They're easily attainable.
So I like to go through those goal-settingprocesses on a regular basis and, you know,
being honest with myself about the progress,not trying to rationalize it away and making
adjustments as required.
You know, I think we all have projects on thehorizon.
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I'm working currently on what I call a big ideathat I'm struggling with because I don't know
if I want it to be a book because I just did abook, and books are hard.
But I'm afraid it might be a book.
So I'm amidst sort of fleshing out this bigidea based on questions that we all get asked
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over time.
We all get asked these questions, and how weanswer these questions impacts the decisions
and choices that we make or don't make.
And I think if somebody would have shined alight on that to me 25, 30 years ago, I might
have made some different decisions.
So I'm trying to get my arms around thisframework and what it looks like.
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So that's sort of my next big idea and what I'mworking on right now.
Wow.
Thank you so much.
Yes.
I look forward to it, and we can do anotherinterview, of course, when the idea has been
realized.
I would love to know more.
Of course, thank you for our interview.
And now it's time for your final thoughts tothe audience, please.
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Alright.
Well, again, the entire crux of what SkyeTeamdoes is all about the idea that the quality and
depth of the relationships that you have atwork are the single biggest influencer of
happiness, engagement, and productivity, notjust at work, but in life in general.
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And I think we all navigate relationships atwork, at home, in life, largely by feel.
We just wing it.
And that's okay.
But sometimes, especially in the workenvironment, we need to make some calculated
investments.
Right?
We tend to lean on the relationships that wealready have when depending on the work that
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we're faced with, it may not be in our bestinterest to hang out with the people that we
just we already like.
We may need to develop and deepen relationshipswith folks across the organization that can
help us meet our goals, and we can help themmeet theirs.
And sometimes we don't know how to do that.
It's scary.
It's hard.
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You walk into a situation without a frameworkor an idea.
Winging it sometimes works, and sometimes itdoesn't work.
And the ideas in the book, in You, Me, We, giveyou a tangible framework to hold on to.
Like I said in the beginning, it's based on aconcept that we call the ally mindset, and
there are five components of that.
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So you can read about any one of thosecomponents and make some choices.
The book is more like a field guide than anarrative novel.
You can read it.
You don't have to read it front to back.
You can read it spot checking depending onwhat's important to you at the time.
And at the end of each chapter, each componentof that Ally Mindset, there's a go-do section.
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It's called Look Up, Show Up, Step Up, and it'sjust practical things that you can do.
In addition, we have available to everybody forfree, what we call the Ally Mindset Profile.
So it's an online profile that you can go andtake, and it will tell you sort of what are the
areas that come more naturally to you and whatare the things that you might have to turn the
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energy up on.
And you can find that out on the Internet atskyeteam.cloud, so skyeteam.cloud/youmeetwe.
And that'll take you to the assessment, andit's free.
You can take it.
You get a fancy report, and it will give yousome suggestions and some things that you can
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do to maybe practice or hone those areas of theAlly Mindset that don't come as naturally to
you and may require a little bit more energy.
So my parting words here would be relationshipsmatter.
Take the time to invest in them.
Be intentional about them.
Don't leave it to chance.
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It's a big deal.
Wow.
What a great message.
Thank you so much for sharing.
I'm inspired now.
This is so generous, your free guide.
I also love the word I mean, the assessment,the field guide you named the book.
And I love that we can cross read it and takethe spots we want to learn more about.
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Thank you so much for our interview.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me, Caroline.
It was a lot of fun.
And I see you in the next episode.
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