Connecting Cultures: The Heart of Disc Golf in Tanzania

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to the Intentional Disc Golfer Podcast,
the show dedicated to helpingyou elevate your disc golf game
with purpose and strategy.
Whether you're stepping up tothe tee for the first time or
you're a seasoned pro chasingthat perfect round, this podcast
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Intentionally.
Ladies and gentlemen, boys andgirls, thank you for tuning in
to this episode, this veryspecial episode Of the
Intentional Disc Golfer Podcast.
I am one of your intentionaldisc golfers.
My name is Brandon.

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Speaker 1 (03:39):
I grew up in education where there's alphabet
soup.
I don't like things beinginitialized.
I don't even know what that'scalled initialized.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, down to the initial I'd like to give a real
quick shout out to uh scottstokely for joining us on our
last episode.
That man is just an absolutesweetheart.
We had a great time with himand he was super gracious and
nice to us.
We had a little bit oftechnical difficulty, uh,
getting getting a good signalwith him and he was super
gracious and nice to us.
We had a little bit oftechnical difficulty getting a
good signal with him and hestuck with us through it.

(04:09):
And you know he, jenny, he'sthe kind of nice that makes me
feel guilty, because he's waynicer than I am.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
So community calendar .

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Community calendar.
Jenny, take it away.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Let's recap.
We just went and did theevacuation route over at Quit it
Over at Riverside in Sumner.
We played it Friday, since Ihappened to not have work.
That was our first time playingit, first time having a
tournament there.
I think we both did all right.

(04:47):
I was only one of two womenplaying.
The other was Christineinehoustis always a pleasure to see
you out on the course and uh, I, there was a ctp throw off for
a basket.
What brand is it?
It's yellow, it's a innova disccatcher.
Yeah, so I wasn't gonna throwand and Brennan's like, come
throw, come throw, throw your F9.
And I almost aced it and I wonthe basket.

(05:09):
Yay, yay for me.
Yay, those chains sound cheesy,oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
They sound chintzy.
They're not my favorite.
Ok Well, how about this?
Yes, my squirrel.
Not my favorite.
Okay Well, how about this?
Yes, my squirrels.
Yes.
And a quick shout out to JoshLarson, playing the evacuation
route with us, and he's our teamcaptain for Team Grit City.
Still undefeated, correct?
Yeah, but we're number two.
We're number two just becauseof points.

(05:41):
But we're still undefeated, sothat's still an accomplishment,
I think.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I don't know All right.
So what do we have coming up?
We have Team Golf at WhiteRiver on the 23rd and then I was
forced to sign up for Shiver atthe River on the 2nd of March,
also at White River, mm-hmm.
So Washington Team Golf eventsix will be at Delphi on March

(06:10):
8th and 9th.
There is the first of theevergreen women's series
tournaments fierce flightshowdown.
You can still sign up.
We're trying to get over 40.
You can sign up until March13th.
We have 36 women currentlysigned up.
If you haven't been to one ofthe events and you're thinking
about it, this is one to go to.
It's a very beginner-friendlycourse and it should be a lot of

(06:33):
fun.
Brandon will be doing the WestSound Invitational at
Fairgrounds.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
NAD Park.
Is it at Fairgrounds?
Fairgrounds, it is atFairgrounds.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Fairgrounds on march 15th kitsap county fairgrounds I
got my tag.
Happy to get my tag before you.
And then we have a team golfagain on march 16th over in
shelton we are signed up for thefourth annual christopher
reeves memorial and fundraiserfor autism speaks on march 22nd

(07:03):
in South Tacoma.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So that's Dilly.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
And then we have the Team Golf Championships on March
30th.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
And Jenny.
We also have a coupletournaments coming up that we're
hosting.
They are brought to you by theIntentional Disc Golfer.
One is an Evergreen Women'sSeries and one is just a
follow-up tournament, so theguys have a chance to play while
they're in town.
Uh, why don't we talk aboutthose for a second?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
so we have our third annual sirens of the springs
over there at shelton,washington.
Um, this is my third yearrunning the tournament.
We have some things that aregoing to be a little different
with the way that we're havingpeople register, uh that the
series decided to dropregistration fees to somewhere
into the $25, $30 range in orderto get more people to play, and

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then you have the players pack.
Items are optional on top of it, so that's going to be a lot of
fun.
It's kicking off right beforeCascade Challenge starts over
there at Shelton.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
The Disc Golf Pro Tour.
It's the weekend immediatelybefore, so yeah it is no, it's
not.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
It's not.
Yes, it is it's two weekendsbefore.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Okay, well, anyway.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
So it's, the qualifier happens yeah, and then
, yeah, it's two weekends away,and then Tritons of the Timbers
will be that Sunday begins away,and then, uh, tritons of the
timbers will be that sunday.
Um, trying something out,trying to increase the evergreen
women's series and also honorour men that are out there in
the field, give them anopportunity while they're around

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to play as well, and it alsogives the women you know, if
they're traveling, you can stayfor a second day and play a
whole second tournament men, goout there, support your ladies,
your girlfriends, your, yourwives, your significant others,
partners, etc.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Etc.
Go out there and support yourladies for the Sirens of the
Springs at Shelton Springs andthen come the next day for the
Tritons of the Timbers and showyour prowess at the Shelton
Springs Disc Golf Course, wherethe Disc golf pro tour will be
playing in short order rightafter the tournament.

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So exciting things, excitingthings, and we are.
We are bending our brains tobring you some really awesome
players packs and some niftylittle goodies for that one.
So uh, for both of themactually.
So, uh, hope y'all can make it.
And, uh, if you're out theresomewhere in listener land
across the country, maybe, ifyou're out in the area, sign up,
come to our tournament, comemeet us.

(09:30):
We'd love to have you.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
And if you are a traveling pro and you'd like an
opportunity to play some ofShelton Springs before Cascade
or before the Monday qualifier,we'd love to have you at the
tournaments.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Absolutely All right.
So, Jenny, we have a veryspecial guest.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
You say that every time.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well, all our guests are pretty special.
I mean, would we have people onhere if they weren't special?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's our job yeah, but the thing is is that you
don't need to say this, one'sspecial oh, that's a very
special guest oh yeah, veryspecial.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
So every once in a while we like to do these human
interest pieces where discgolfers make a difference so we
just recently started ourintentional disc golfer podcast
group and one of our fansreached out.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Reached out to us and said hey, I love what you guys
are doing, I've got the storyfor you, and so in talking with
him a little bit, we have Ryan,who will be coming on our show,
and he was sharing with us thathe had just received the
certificate of registration forthe Tanzania Disc Golf
Federation.

(10:50):
So I'm excited to hear what hehas to say and explain to us.
You know what's going on withdisc golf in Tanzania, why he
loves Tanzania, who he is andwhere disc golf is going.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Disc golf changes lives.

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Speaker 3 (13:04):
On this episode of the Intentional Disc Golfer.
What does Wisconsin andTanzania have in common?
Well, this next guest will tellyou all about it.
Sir, do you mind introducingyourself and telling our
listeners about who you are?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Hey Disc Golf World.
Thanks for tuning in to theIntentional Disc Golfer Podcast.
My name is Ryan Scaife and I'mreally excited to be here to
talk about disc golf andTanzania and being able to take
the sport into a country of 68million people.
I've been working there 22years doing community

(13:45):
development projects and discgolf is going to be one of the
most amazing connecting culturalthings we can do.
I'm from Wisconsin originally.
I live in Oregon now, but for 18years I had begun working in

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Tanzania.
I had discovered a huge farmproject in the middle of
literally the Lion King and I'dbeen a TV photojournalist for
the news and covered so manystories around our country and
just got to be so negative.
And I was fortunate to sailaround the world on a ship and
be in Tanzania for six days onsafari and the greatest story of

(14:31):
my life was right there,presented to me a huge farm
project that would feed 200,000people in the first harvest and
it was already built, wasalready built.
So, as a photojournalist, um, Irealized right then and there I
had something that I couldn'tcome back to the us and continue

(14:57):
to cover the negativity, themurders, all the things you see
on the news when I had thisstory and the difference and
opportunity we had to make and Iwas asked for help.
So that's kind of how all of theTanzania helping community
building thing began in 2003.
And since then being able to domany things from Wisconsin of

(15:28):
creating an international sistercity relationship to getting a
Milwaukee fire engine donatedand sent all the way to that
sister city, taking collegestudents to go build a school
and plant trees that now givesshade to 400 secondary school
students Just things that wereally need to get back to doing
.
And by helping and servingothers it's the greatest joy

(15:49):
there is.
And so when you can connectthat with disc golf and that
idea kind of popped in my headthree years ago it was a
no-brainer.
And now we're poised to bringin the newest national sport
into the country of tanzania 68million people that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
So you said that you ended up in tanzania and through
going through the backgroundresearch, it was from this study
over the ocean program, or whatwas that?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
yeah, yeah, it's called semester at sea semester
and if anyone's out, yeah, ifanyone out there is listening.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I was what was that called?
Yeah, it's called.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Semester at Sea.
Semester at Sea If anyone outthere is listening.
I was fortunate to do this as a29, almost 30-year-old and sail
the world because I hadexperience, had only heard about

(16:51):
it and had the opportunity toapply for the spring semester,
january to May 2003, and at thetime the University of
Pittsburgh had run the program.
Colorado State runs it now.
It's been going for 60 yearsand it is study abroad where
students from all over the us700 students and faculty and

(17:11):
staff get on board a ship forone academic semester credit to
sail the world twice a year arewe?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
are we talking like a sailboat?
We talking like a sailboat?
Are we talking like a cruiseship?
Describe the ship to us.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh, this is a big ship, so what we were on and
they retired it.
We were the last voyage,amazing the Universe Explorer.
That ship had taken like 40,000, 50,000 people around the world
.
It had been built originallyfor the korean war, never sailed

(17:46):
in it, bought by a chineseeducator, partnered with with
the institute for shipboardeducation here and created
semester at sea.
So it's a program that thattakes students, faculty people
around the world and we went to11 countries in 110 days, from

(18:07):
Miami to Seattle and in thosesix days is what changed my life
that's just amazing what, whatother countries?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
did you go to on that trip?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
so for semester at sea, um, we were lucky that year
and it was also just like theexperiences.
This is a year and a half after9-11, right and just.
We started in Miami and asstaff I was fortunate that I was
paid to seal the world dream.

(18:41):
Right, I just proposed to mywife, my fiance, my fiance and
she also got the job.
But we didn't just get jobs.
Three months later on the ship,I was the media director, she
was the it director.
They had two positions left onthe ship was all when I called,
right after I proposed and youcan't make this story up.

(19:05):
As a journalist covering andtelling so many stories, I swear
I've lived the greatest.
And it doesn't come withoutfull loss of everything either.
We'll get to that down the road, but this trip it's all part of
the story.
And so we literally got to livethe fairy tale of sailing the

(19:25):
world, having a staff, work withus, um and and students, and
then every country you get tostop and go explore for four to
six days.
Everyone gets back on the shipand then classes resume, you
sail to the next port.
So we began in Miami, we wentto my Bahamas, the students all

(19:45):
got on there.
And then we went to Cuba and Ihave an hour's worth of Fidel
Castro speaking to us on videoand I shut the camera off after
one hour and he kept talking fortwo, talking for two Havana
amazing, amazing, but he reallywas crazy, talking Martians and

(20:08):
how the US and Cuba are friends.
I mean it was nuts, but stillthe experience.
And then we got to Havana,stepping into literally the
scene of Happy Days.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Oh wow, oh yeah, because they have all those old
cars.
I love seeing footage from Cuba, because it's all those old
cars that they just don't buildanymore, and they're beautiful.
You're right, guys.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, and they're in great shape.
They keep them running.
It was because of the embargoback in the day and so that's
what they had.
They had to keep them running.
Well, we, those were.
We took one of those old happydays cars and I grew up watching
that show um, literally out ofmy state too, and we took that
to Fidel Castro where he spoketo 600 of us from the ship and

(20:57):
he brought in all the pomp andcircumstance and you know all
that stuff, but it's still anamazing experience.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Study travel Uh wow.
And you know all that stuff,but it's still an amazing
experience.
Study travel uh wow.
So then you made it over totanzania, and that that seemed
to be what sparked yourinspiration right and before we
even got there we had, um, youknow, we gone from cuba.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Then we went down to Brazil for five days Amazing.
And then across the Atlantic toSouth Africa.
And there's my first experiencewith Africa, where, you know,
media fear things.
I didn't know what to expect.
And South Africa, just amazing,with Robben Island and getting

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to go where Nelson Mandela washeld prisoner, literally right
there from his homelandthree-minute boat ride.
It's just amazing what thatexperience does to you.
And you know I was desensitizedin the news and this brought me
right back to real life, forsure.
And then from there we sailed upto Tanzania.
And then from there we sailedup to Tanzania and we got off

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the ship and met this couple whohappened to own a safari camp
in a city of 6 million peopleand we were looking to go on
independent safari.
And the next day 13 of us fromthe ship, a few faculty staff
students, flew 40 minutes out tothe bush.
Could be a two-day drive,because there's no roads and in

(22:30):
the rainy season it's all clay,so you get stuck.
It could be a two-day drive.
We flew 40 minutes out to thelargest game reserve in the
world with the fewest visitors.
We landed on a dirt stripvisitors.
We landed on a dirt strip andwe were the only guests at the
only five-star non-tented whichmeans its own cabins lodge

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called Tembo Safari Camp.
Wow, and the couple who own ourcamp, eric and Karen Winson he's
a Rhodesian, zimbabwe now, andhis wife, karen, was from Austin

(23:13):
, texas, and they were the mostamazing people I'd ever met in
the most amazing place.
I had my camera, like ajournalist does.
I had my camera like ajournalist does and I was
rolling because this was themost amazing person with the
most amazing story I'd ever metin my life.
And then talking about theirprojects around the country and

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the jewel, why they were doingwhat they were doing.
They had a huge farm projectthat was already built, started
in the 1950s by the Koreans togrow rice.
All peaceful, tanzania wassocialist back then and Russia

(24:08):
wanted some rice acre farmcomplex out in the bush, in the
breadbasket of the country,where there's really no roads or
electricity for a hundred miles, and they built this over the
course of time from the 50s andthen in the 80s, when the soviet
union fell, they quit fundingit and it was just basically
left out there and forgotten andover 100 pieces of farm

(24:28):
equipment.
Tractors, backhoes, bulldozersexisted and just sat there.
No one knew how to use them andprobably the infrastructure too,
like the irrigation and thewaterways and the piping and
everything else right yeah, whatthey had done over the course
of 50 years on this land,because it's it's mountains that
drop down and flatten out likea table and their plan they put

(24:53):
in a mini hydropower plant so itgave electricity to there and
the villages around and therewas no electricity around.
So this was going to be thestart of something really big
and then it just all gotabandoned.
But they built 30 houses, awood shop, welding machine shop,
a three-story office buildingand then it just sat there for

(25:16):
like 40 years.
Wow, parts you know strippedand everything.
And then Eric and Karen thiscouple as a journalist right,
listen, learn, keep asking.
They tell us the story of howthey'd come into the country a
couple years earlier and Eric,being an African, just his

(25:36):
amazing story of being in theRoyal Rhodesian Air Force and
his whole life story of loss.
And when Mugabe came intoRhodesia and sent all the Brits
out and he was third generation,they lost everything.
He was a story of resiliency,of hope and I just wow, amazing.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Why don't you say that name again real loud for
our listeners?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Eric Winson.
He's the angel pushing thisfrom above, for sure.
He, uh he and karen both ofthem now um.
After seven years of workingwith them, they passed away and
I was able to take what Ilearned from them and see even
bigger picture and connectionsto the whole region and the this

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region of tanzania.
They have 24 regions andtanzania is 10 times the size of
oregon.
That's just for someperspective.
There's 68 million people inthe country they've been
importing, continuing to 70 oftheir food, and the one region

(26:44):
where this farm project waswhere I learned it all and what
I've put everything on, becauseI'm from wisconsin, the
breadbasket of our country, andif we couldn't feed ourselves we
would not be where we were.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
So so you said they're importing.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
They're importing 70 of their food supply yeah that
is not sustainable and the oneregion, the one region I work in
and have staked it all.
What I saw, what eric and karensaw, what I learned, what I
know, is that if you can't feedyourself, you you know that's
just not right.
So, um, you know, you have therichest, some of the richest top

(27:21):
soil and land in the world andthe poverty of the people.
It'll break your heart.
And I couldn't.
I couldn't do that, I said noton my watch while I'm here.
This is my thing, and so discgolf, even coming back to that
is, is going right back to thatpurpose and we get to do it, and
we have now 22 years of trustfrom farmer to president built,

(27:42):
and I'm super excited to nowinvite the disc golf world to
come and experience africawithout the fear, without the
stereotype, and get to do teach,train and see amazing people
things that it's time to time tochange that yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Uh, it sounds like a really amazing opportunity that
you had.
And you know, my background isas a teacher too, and I remember
if I could go on a field tripwith kids I would, just because
you get to see kids in acompletely different light than
you would say, you know, in yourclassroom.
So being able to get on a boatand go for a whole semester with

(28:24):
a group of kids, I can justimagine how powerful that was.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
It was, and it was at a time where I just I needed to
get out of my profession andyou know I was.
There was nowhere else to gowith that, other than you know
that things are now gettingbetter for news and any.
Then you know you get to goaround the world and I found, I
discovered that my professionlies to all of us.

(28:52):
And now, if that isn't going tochange some things in your life
?
So I mean literally I took astand on every single thing you
could in life with this project.
I I saw people starving in oneof the richest valleys of the
world for growing crops.
No way I'm going to learn andknow what it takes to change
that.
So I did and we're doing it.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
You got to change the narrative.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, and as a journalist I've covered and
filmed it all and documentedeverything I've done.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
It sounds like, through mainstream media,
traditional media over here inthe States, that you kind of hit
this dead end where it's just alot of fear mongering and
things, because that's whatsells ads and media is there to
serve their stakeholders.
And then you're looking andwhat I'm catching from you is

(29:43):
that you are looking for a realway to make a difference and use
your skills and your talents tomake a difference in the world,
rather than just reporting.
You know the kidnapper downtownor the?
You know Tiger Woods winninganother championship.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Right right.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
So you grabbed your camera and found it in Tanzania.
Tell us all about that.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, and I wasn't expecting that there I had
already worked for RoyalCaribbean Cruise Line and been
to the islands where you knowpoverty.
You see it everywhere and ithurts and there's so much it's
like where do you even start?
But Tanzania, it was in my faceLike boom, you start here.
You start in a country that'sfull of hope, that is a big

(30:39):
garden, like you grew up in yourgrandma's yard.
The love is there, like yourgrandma, unconditional, and you
can communicate, and I mean somany similarities if you get
down to it.
And I'm just, I said that itwas something where I couldn't

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not think about.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
And boy, I hear what you're saying, that the people
of Tanzania, they have the driveand they have the motivation
and they have the area andthings, but just maybe not have
the knowledge to be able toadvance.
They just need the resources.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Exactly what it is is .
It's been the east and westhistorically taking out of
africa and not leaving anythingfor the people, um, and this was
an opportunity to do somethingdifferent.
So I'm so proud.
I mean, my family is tanzania,it's home, um, they're the
really in all of this.

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They're, they've backed meevery single step of the way and
they sure didn't have to,especially based on history of
the white man in africa.
So, you know, it's just anopportunity to raise their
livelihoods and believe in themand and they believe in me as
well, and it's just.
We need to get over that fearand someone had to make the

(32:07):
difference and take the stand.
And I don't know, it just feltright.
I mean, that's the rest of mylife is being able to take
people to see the animals andyou know that's kind of the hook
is safari.
But in the end, what I know,tanzania takes care of itself
and that's the smallest thingpeople bring back.
So I just wanted to make itsustainable and with disc golf

(32:30):
we can.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
So, speaking of disc golf, so you had this amazing
event in Tanzania.
You said back in the 90s, rightor early 2000s.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Early 2000s.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Early 2000s.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
With disc golf.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, no, you had your experience over there in
Tanzania.
What's happened between thenand now.
Let's give us a quick synopsis.
I know you've done a lot.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Sure, real quickly is .
I didn't have kids.
That was also the big, bigopportunity there is.
I had experience and I was kindof, you know, I'd made my way
up from the small TV markets tothe big TV markets and kind of
wore my way out of that.
I didn't want to stay in it.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
And this is circa 2003, 2004?
2003.
2003.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Exactly, I had already covered the Green Bay
Packers 93 to 96 while I was incollege, for CBS to the Super
Bowl and the Badgers to the RoseBowl.
So again, my timing in all ofthis and it's a timing thing and
realizing it right In hindsight, I'm thankful I had the
foresight.
So 03, have the experience inTV, I see all the world.

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I don't have kids.
I take on this project and Imake it my first child and I get
back to Wisconsin immediately,get in touch with this couple
and get back to Wisconsinimmediately, get in touch with
this couple and we develop arelationship every day, talking
from Africa or back here inTexas where Karen was from Eric
was getting sick.

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I became them and began thengoing to Tanzania.
I took an ethanol company fromWisconsin to look at building an
ethanol trip company there,which is energy and power one of
the needs there in the country.
And then I took collegestudents to go and see and
experience and make a differenceby just simple things.
We began the internationalsister city relationship to

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create a formal tie toeverything I was doing and the
nonprofit I had created Hope inTanzania Foundation, because the
hope is in the country and itneeds to be realized.
So that's where all that camefrom.
And then, five years into it,and having already met
Tanzania's president and all ofparliament and really created

(34:48):
this real solid connection, Irealized, okay, I'm 35 years old
and if we're gonna havechildren, time is now.
So had my daughter and I hadalready gone back and forth to
tanzania, so much that now I wasable to just host them.
As my daughter was born, I waswas working for ESPN

(35:09):
International, as you had said,and covering Tiger Woods and all
the majors for ball golf, andthat allowed me enough to be
able to support and fund my ownwork for Tanzania.
And then, when my daughter came, I became stay-at-home dad,
because that's the mostimportant thing, and I was able

(35:31):
to continue my tanzania work, uh, but I had to host tanzanians
in the us then, and so I wasable to host ambassadors and
other groups as I raised my kidsand and, um, yeah, I, I got to
to really involve them and teachthem and take, take and show

(35:54):
video and other like Tanzaniacultural stuff into their
classes and and teach.
So you know, in the end ofraising my kids with this, the
greatest thing I've probablyever done is is be able able to
my kids have no fear of africa,and I did for 30 years.
My kids know it, so in the end,that's probably the greatest

(36:15):
thing it's like their secondhome yeah, they've never been
there um.
They're 16 and 14.
No, um 16 and 14.
Oh, trust me, it's a longflight.
I know my, my kids, I raisedthem.
I was not going to take themthat far, unless they were old
enough to appreciate it.
with them maybe a couple yearsdelayed after divorce and you

(36:38):
know that's.
That's stuff that has recentlyhappened and where disc golf and
being able to get that going intanzania these past three years
since the pandemic and divorceand relocating from wisconsin to

(37:01):
oregon and really finding theniche and the spot I should be
um, it's all come back and nowwe get to do disc golf not only
here in Silverton, Oregon, butTanzania.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
So share with us how you started doing disc golf,
like what's, what's your discgolf story.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Thanks, jen, cause, that's like the best thing and
that's like my favorite questionto answer, because I was, you
know, I was interviewing tigerwoods and all those guys every
day, um, doing the majors forgolf and every weekend, and I I
quit because, well, I wasn'tgonna have my kids being raised
by someone else where I had totake care of responsibility and

(37:46):
um, so when I quit interviewingTiger Woods and I'm done with
ball golf and kind of thisattitude, I began, you know,
pushing my daughter on strollerwalks and we'd go.
I picked up disc golf rightthen and to me there is no
better way to raise your kidsthan pushing the stroller

(38:07):
through the woods and nature andteaching them you know life and
just changing diapers out thereon hole six.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Best memories yeah, opportunity.
I was working over at ChiefKitsap Academy in Suquamish and
we had Paul Wright and a coupleof other people come over and
walk the property before we putour nine-hole course in there
from the Paul Macbeth Foundation.

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One of the things that Paultalked about is how we are able
to kind of honor the place, theforest, the trees and how we can
really honor that place byputting in a disc golf course.
That one of the things that hewould do when he was looking for
how to design a course is whatcan I show people about this

(39:00):
place that makes it sospectacular, so different, and
so I can just imagine howbringing disc golf to tanzania,
what that's going to provide forpeople, what they're going to
get to see that they wouldn'thave seen otherwise oh, so right
on that.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
So right on it.
It's such a good feeling to beable to do that, because it's a
way you can give and help andreally make a difference.
I mean the country of TanzaniaNational Sports Council.
They understand what we'redoing and Paul, you're talking.
Paul, he was the one who theMacbeth Foundation sent to

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Tanzania with me just this pastOctober.
So good segue into all of thatand good connection, because
Paul is one amazing disc golfer,one amazing designer, one
amazing person, and I'mfortunate that he's the person
that got to be with me inTanzania to see what 22 years of

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my work looks and feels like,by being able to move his agenda
forward quickly and with a lotof fun and love in between.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
So I'm going to give you a segue story about Paul
Wright.
So I, you know, I ran into himat this meeting a couple years
ago and later found out thathe's my neighbor and I went to
school with his daughters.
And so 20 something years laterit's like well, now we have

(40:31):
this different connection than.
I was, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
I lived across the lake from him um and like I said
I, I went, you're gonna crossthe lake.
You're like three or fourblocks down.
Well, there's no blocks.
It's a lake kind of yeah, butit was really funny that.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Oh, now I'm coming over to your house because I'm
interested in your disc golfinstead of being friends with
your daughters.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Well, speaking of Paul Wright, let's take a second
for show ID.
Okay, and there we go.
Hi, this is Paul Wright.
With the Paul McBeth Foundation, support the Builders Club and
support the intentional discgolfer.
All right, and we're back.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Speaking of that voice speaking of Paul, right?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, speaking of that man, the other Paul man of
the hour.
No, it was great.
Actually, I could have flownout of Portland, but instead in
October I drove to Seattle so heand I could get on the plane
together, because I'd never methim in person.
You know, and, and so it's keythat person-to-person

(41:36):
communication in Swahili we sayinto quam, to people, to people
it's important say that, wait,say that again it means mtu
M-T-U kwa K-W-A mtu People topeople.
Mtu kwa mtu Kwa mtu.

(41:56):
Yeah, benita said mtu kwa mtuLove it.
Yeah, swahili's great.
Oh well, you guys already knowSwahili if you've seen Lion King
, that's all Tanzania.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Rafikis, rafikis, not Rafikis.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
It's Hakuna Matata, don't you know it really is,
though it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Where we're from, it's everything the light
touches, but you must never gothere.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Simba.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And the never go there is Bremerton.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
That's going to go in the blooper reel.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I haven't been there yet.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
I haven't been there.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
I'll invite you down here to Silverton because we're
building our new course here aswell.
So I'm super geek because,literally, my local global is
here.
The city went for my plan threeyears ago and they had to annex
.
So we're physically growing thetown of Silverton now because
of my disc golf course plan andit's going to be our newest city

(42:57):
park and let me tell you, it'sgoing to draw people.
I got here and walked into adisc golfer's dream, you guys.
So literally, I am going tohave Paul come down here and
help me design my course here.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Just like intense paul is a killer course designer
.
He really is, and we'll have tohave you up here as well, ryan.
When you, uh, come up towashington way, we have what?
Three or four of the bestcourses in the state within a
half hour for us.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I have goosebumps because I know he
told me about it, so I'm there.
That'll be our foursome, okay,there we go.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Paul Wright Ryan.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Skiff.
We've already got it.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Brandon and Jenny, the intentional disc golfer,
live.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, maybe we can have the kids videotape it for
us.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I will intentionally not do.
Well, how about that?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
But that way you get to explore more of the course,
like it's the bad shots thatallow me to go see parts of the
course that I haven't seenbefore, like.
So there is that.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Disc golf fits my ADD nature, so trust me it's good.
You guys in Tanzania that Ijust just golf and just the
excitement of it.
We threw, we had discs and, youknow, started throwing in the
air and all they is like amagnet.
So I know what this sport'sgonna do.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
It's so cool now, if you don't mind, let's rewind
real quick a little bit.
I wanted to emphasize and toucha little more on the sister
city thing.
Can you elaborate on that andwhat exactly that is?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
Sister cities international itbecame part of my strategy in
doing research and I've beendoing community building
projects.
You hear about things.
It's all about connection.
I'm a connector, I always havebeen.

(44:58):
I just had worked in televisionand was fortunate to have those
relationships where the mayorof Milwaukee, folks on the
council, city council, just ingeneral, when you're in
television you get to knowpeople and I was fortunate to
hear about that Milwaukee hadjust adopted sister cities

(45:21):
international guidelines andthat's like a international deal
where you have to have certaincriteria that fits to have a
connection, because you know alot of it is just cultural and
so milwaukee had like 15 sistercities they were not doing
anything with.
So this was a way throughsister cities international that

(45:43):
they established, brought it inand then I was the first to
apply under Sister CitiesInternational and we got the
first ever international sistercity relationship between
Milwaukee and the country inAfrica.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Oh man, that is killer.
And then so the sister cityprogram, that's economic ties,
political ties agricultural ties?
What other type of things?

Speaker 2 (46:12):
um, oh, everything, cultural to economic, mean trade
, every, you name it it's, it'sa direct connection for the city
.
Um, however, city politicsright, and a lot of hands in the
cookie jar, and so we, we gotthings done.
It could have gone a lot betterand smoother, but, yeah, it

(46:34):
wasn't to be with the rightpeople and in, and they took a
lot of what I did.
And then that sister city'schairman, yeah, so I did what I
could and got a Milwaukee,wisconsin fire engine donated

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and complete with training oftwo Tanzanian firefighters from
Morogoro, the sister city,coming to Milwaukee, training
for two weeks on their own truckby our fire department, and
then, three months later, theywere back home and picked up the
fire truck.
They got from Milwaukee toTanzania and they drove it three

(47:17):
hours to Morogoro and trained22 fire department employees, um
, employees, and, uh, that firetruck doubled the fleet.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
For a city of 350 000 people.
They had one fire truck.
Yeah, so I saw it was one firetruck and 20 some odd
firefighters for 200 000 peopleyeah, 300 000 now.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
That city, morogoro, it's home and now, 20 years
later, or however long it's been, that city's at a million
people.
I'm really proud of how thattown has grown.
But we made our mark and it'sreally important, with the fire
department and especially withdisc golf, to help clear out the
brush and we're saving fires bydoing that.

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So disc golf lends itself tothe environment on a whole lot
of things and I made theconnection with the fire
department by helping get themwhat they need.
Even though I was working onagriculture, I began the sister
city relationship and that'swhat they asked for of like the
first need.
So we did it.
We were going to retire inmilwaukee a fire truck the uh 92

(48:30):
ford darley pumper truckbecause it had too many miles
and the insurance companywouldn't insure it anymore so
why not just gonna?

Speaker 3 (48:39):
auction it off I like it, I like it, and so you, just
, you just drew.
A connection.
For me that I never drew beforeis disc golf as a mechanism for
forest management and clearingout, underbrush and down stuff
and mitigating some of this firedanger that we've been having

(49:00):
around here.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Oh right, and right here, where I'm at, this 40
acres sits right above thesubdivision that the developer
bought the land and then donatedthis 40 acres to be a buffer
between the city and rural.
And it's exactly what I've beendoing in Tanzania is connecting
the urban and rural.
I'm doing it right here at home, and now we're going to be able

(49:25):
to do that.
And the fire department.
It just so happens this 40acres that was donated and we'll
have our new city course on.
That developer specified that80% of it was supposed to be
park and the rest for someday, afuture rural fire department.

(49:48):
No lie.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Oh, very cool.
Oh, that's wild, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know developingrelationships here the last
three years and so we'll havethe fire department definitely
helping us up out there as weclear the brush and I bring in
my work team.
Our disc golf club is going towork with the city park
department and we'll bring inthe fire department and all of

(50:12):
that.
We'll work together where we'regoing to do team building and
get this course built.
I'll try to get Paul down hereand he's going to have.
I can't wait to bring him downhere and see his vision and make
it happen.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Well, heck, yeah, I can work a shovel.
Jenny is pretty good with.
Bring him down here and see hisvision and make it happen.
Well, heck, yeah, we can.
I can work a shovel.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Jenny.
Jenny is pretty good with arake.
Well, good Gas is better whenyou have friends that you can
share the ride with.
So come on down.
I have you guys set up here atthe best Airbnb and literally
it's my own safari camp where Ifound and I got here, helped a
couple open it up on the abaqua,two miles outside of town.

(50:50):
We got disc baskets there anduh and uh so you can put around
and it's, it's, it's on the theabaqua creek and it's five
little cabins, little safaricabins, and then one suite, and
so you guys are going to get tostay in a place where I put in a
lot of sweat and tears, thatplace, as I've been kind of

(51:13):
healing from life and andgetting life back.
You're set.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
That sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
If, if you go and after we talk, just go on the
Airbnb site and then look upEagle Nest, Silverton and you'll
find it.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I think I've actually looked at that before at one
point in time.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, we were looking at going down there and doing a
couple tournaments or something, and we were looking at Airbnbs
and I think that's actually oneof the ones that came up.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Okay, hey, I know, looking at airbnbs and I think
that's actually one of the onesthat came up.
Okay, hey, I know, I want toask you guys, because you guys
have been doing this you dealwith tournaments and this is for
a lot of the folks that here insilverton and and tanzania that
are going to be watching um,where you have no disc golf but
you have people coming as atourist destination or even not.
You put up a disc golf course.

(52:08):
You're gonna get business right.
It's an economic force, is thatcorrect?

Speaker 3 (52:13):
one of the things that I were.
I'm in general contracting andconstruction and I work with a
lot of people that areremodeling their homes for
Airbnb's and when?
What I've been told is thatwhen you fill out the
application to be on airbnb, oneof the biggest questions they
ask is is there a disc golffacility nearby and how well is

(52:37):
it supported?
So it's, it's a major tourismdraw wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
That's really good to know.
But I do have baskets up nowthere and it'll make more of a
difference when our course isbuilt here.
But literally I'm lucky here inSilverton where we are central.
We're 15 minutes from Salem, 45from Portland and you just get
to be out here.
So once we get our course builthere and we get to finally

(53:05):
start on that this this springafter I'm back from tanzania, uh
, we'll have.
Eventually it'll be 27 holes.
It's going to be 18 beautifulholes that I'm hoping will be
part of the beaver state flingsomeday and, uh, then we're
going to do a little nine holebeginner course, ace run, little
obstacle course oh, that'll becool to make it an obstacle

(53:29):
course.
It's gonna be cool guys.
Oh, and we're.
Yeah, we're gonna put obstaclesbecause our plan I work with
the biking guys too, so the bikeclub has already done so much
of the trails in there over thelast 10 years and the land has
just been sitting there kind ofkids, dirt bikes.
I wish I would have grown upnext to it, but for the last

(53:50):
couple of years I've just madeit home and we've brought our
group of folks out to work on itand I'm lucky I actually have a
person here in Silverton whoyou guys were going to have on
your podcast I just discoveredand he's a friend, so I'll give
you a tip for colin from thedisc raptor oh yeah colin we'd.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
We'd love to have you guys.
He sponsored us last year guys.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I mean, as luck has it, he's right here in this town
of 10 000 people with me, sohe's my guy and he's sponsoring
one of our tanzanian discgolfers to go up to Kenya for
the Kenya Open next week Verycool and so we've sent disc
Raptors there.
He's actually sponsoring a proand Ezra Robinson is going to be

(54:40):
announcing it today or tomorrow, so I'll send you the link and
that will be out there as well.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Very cool, yeah, we would so love to have him on.
You the link and that'll be outthere as well.
Very cool, yeah, we would stilllove to have him on.
Uh, we, we had him lined up andthen, uh, we took a break from
doing the podcast for a whilebecause jenny went, uh, back to
college and got her admincertificate, so, but now we're
back up and running.
We would love to have him on,if you see him around yeah, he
oh no, no, he's, he's alwayswith me.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
In fact, I have to see him later today.
After this too, we got to sendpayment, because the tournament
in kenya is soon and our goal isto have four tanzanians going
to the kenya open and then therewill be five countries
represented in the third kenya.
That is so pretty amazing.
So, yeah, colin, definitely hewill.

(55:25):
He will get in touch with youafter our call.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
So one thought I had is you can also.
Something our tech guy wantedto do when we put in our disc
golf course was essentially putgiant hula hoops on the top of
the baskets and then do droneraces.
So you could also connect withsome of the it drone people in
the area too and be like here,come do a drone race.

(55:51):
So there's something else youcan do, oh my gosh I know right,
so I have a big creative brain.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
That's one thing.
I'm geeked.
I love that idea I didn't thinkof that, you serious.
Oh so cool, jenny.
All right, yeah, I'm going tohave to get my list of drone
guys around, get your notebookout.
And in fact you know, inTanzania my guys do, so we could
probably make that happenquicker there than here, because

(56:20):
that's kind of how I've beendoing it Things happen in Africa
.
I can make happen quicker thanright here.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Well, less red tape and regulation?

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I assume yes.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
What's that Less red tape and regulation, I assume.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
No, not really Really .
It's just different, different.
Oh, trust me, my partner,jeffrey, I couldn't do this
without Jeffrey Ruto, myTanzanian brother partner.
I couldn't do this without him.
He's just the right person andtiming.
When you meet someone, so, um,there's a lot of I mean, and I

(56:56):
don't, you know it's, it'stanzania.
As much as I've been there,it's still.
You need that partnership andwe both have to trust each of us
is doing our job.
You know, um, and, and sothat's where a lot of it's just
all on field trust and doing theright thing.
And so, yeah, um, it's alllined up to be able to take this

(57:18):
as far as we want to go inafrica very, very cool.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
So you were saying earlier that you were changing
diapers on the disc golf courseand then I caught that your kids
are 16 and 14, correct?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
So we're putting that roughly 2006, 2007-ish, when
you started disc golfing.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
My daughter was born in 08.
Yep, okay, she was at 08.
That's close she was born in 08yep okay, she was at 08.
And then, uh, she was born onfather's well, the day before
father's day.
So it's a pretty good father'sday gift for you know, having
your first kid that, my kid too.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
2008 day before summer.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah okay, summer solstice.
That's very june 21st yeah,yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
And so you started disc golfing way back then.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
When did the bug hit you to be like, hey, they need
disc golf in tanzania um, youknow we started playing safari
rounds at our course in lacrosseand you know I've told all my
guys and disc golfers, but thatjust always stuck with me is

(58:29):
going to be the connector rightthere.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
And this is La Crosse Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, yep, that's where I was with my kids and
family, where I'd gone tocollege and was kind of back
full circle, and so you knowthinking I've got the world, and
then everything you know goes,and so you're left to pick up
pieces.
So we speaking of that sorryfor the interruption, if you can

(58:54):
hear.
Uh, colin from disc raptor iscalling me right now.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
So oh goodness.
Well, on that case, I'll tellyou what.
Let's um hit, pause for aminute and take a break.
What's good?
Eric Oakley here and you arelistening to the Intentional
Disc Golfer Podcast, all right,so you were changing diapers
back out there on the coursecirca 2008,.

(59:18):
So you've been playing discgolf for a while.
Where did you get the spark andthe idea?
For Tanzania needs disc golfsomehow.
Like, where did that come from?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Tanzania needs disc golf somehow, like, where did
that come from?
Well, what I had been workingon of community development, a
lot of things, as far as what mypurpose was in Tanzania, I felt
the disc golf community, discgolf, could touch on a lot of
those and the growth of discgolf, um, and being able to kind
of get into the top of thesport right away just with

(59:54):
background media and being ableto do that I I just thought that
this was my, my opportunityhere, where I'd just gone
through a divorce and my kidshad raised um, went to mom and
kind of my world was shattered,and that was during the pandemic
four years ago it was that backin uh wisconsin yeah, and I was

(01:00:19):
back in wisconsin yet hadn'teven hadn't even, you know,
given thought to oregon otherthan seeing the fires and
everything on tv.
And god, I wasn't working in TVnews out there like some of my
friends covering all of that.
And, you know, just beginning adivorce process after raising

(01:00:40):
my kids.
They were 12.
They was 12.
Jake was 10.
And disc golf had been you knowour thing.
Well, now they're old enough,they're into their things and my
son loves soccer, all good, butkind of the family side of
things and just wasn't a futurethat was sustainable for us.
So I had to leave and make thetoughest decision of my life and

(01:01:05):
kind of think of what I wasdoing before raising kids so
that I could have my kids backinto my life.
I knew that the way the systemwas wasn't going to allow that
and I knew the way mentalillness in families not checked
and I kind of knew where I wasgoing to be left out of the

(01:01:28):
party.
So I better get my thing back.
And so I got a video job out inthe Tri-Cities four years ago
during the pandemic and afterloss an investor pulled out and
I was left out on the West Coastpandemic, away from everything

(01:01:48):
and no way to get back and thevideo job fell through.
So I uh, somehow filtered overa few months, not hearing from
my kids, and I filtered down tooregon and former tv friends
from vegas who lived in salemand I visited them a few times

(01:02:08):
over the years but had neverheard of Silverton.
And I get down to Salem discgolf and get to see the ocean
and I'm healing but stillfearful for my kids.
And my friend's wife in Salemsays Ryan, I think I saw your

(01:02:29):
last name on a gravestone in atown called Silverton just a
couple weeks ago and I justfound out my kids had been
abducted from Wisconsin andtaken to Georgia and I didn't
know where they were and losttouch with everything.
My world was shattered and Ihad heard of Silver Falls State

(01:02:52):
Park and the waterfalls and Ihad a plan just to.
The only plan I had was to goin and not come out.
And when I heard that my lastname on a gravestone in a town
called Silverton there was onepiece of hope.
And then I left their home andI came straight out of Salem to

(01:03:15):
Silverton and I passed LancasterAvenue, the last main stoplight
.
I was born in Lancaster,wisconsin.
So now you have two threads ofhope.
And I drive 15 miles to some ofthe most beautiful country I'd
ever seen, headed towards themountains, and I come right into
town to a cemetery not knowingwhat cemetery or where my last

(01:03:43):
name may be and I come into atown called Silverton that
happens to be the end of theOregon Trail, to a town called
Silverton, that happens to bethe end of the Oregon Trail, and
I drive in and I pull up to mylast name and my ancestors from
166 years ago left to Wisconsin,right where I had just left and

(01:04:03):
did the Oregon Trail, and 50 ofmy last name came and settled
right here and I came on to ahistory where I found my kindred
spirits and all of it came back.
And instantly disc golf was Idon't know how, why, other than
I felt my world coming back andthis was where I was meant to be

(01:04:25):
Oregon, a hotbed for disc golf.
So much more to the Oregon ahotbed for disc golf, so much
more to the story.
But when you find somethinglike that and as a storyteller
you couldn't even make the storyup Wow, I found 50 pages of my
family here and we founded thistown and I haven't left.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Absolutely beautiful, that's beautiful, absolutely
beautiful.
And uh, just to tie it in withdisc golf, uh, when I got here,
there was no disc golf course,one major problem.
So I said, okay, we're gonna dosomething about that, because
that's disc golf is my therapy.
Right, I'm never gonna be paPaul McBeth, but I can do what
Paul McBeth does and take hisfoundation to Africa and make a
difference for a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
So you're touching on a topic of something I've
personally experienced and Ithink we have too as a couple.
I spent a lot of time talkingto the women I'm on a card with
and they're talking about wherethey're at and their healing
process of whatever they've beenthrough either drug addiction,
mental health, trauma, and youknow that's.

(01:05:40):
That's one thing I'm focusingon.
I'm actually working oncreating a separate like sister
company called Mindful FlightStronger you to kind of provide
therapy without calling ittherapy for disc golf yep, so
yes, can you?
share a bit about your story ofhealing and how disc golf has,
like, helped you oh, without adoubt.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Because, well, first off, getting to do with your
kids and taking them out tonature where you disconnect and
unplug from a phone I mean, Igrew up, at least luckily
without that for the first 20years of my life, and so it's
not needed.
You need the connection innature, you need the connection
to each other, and disc golfprovides that.

(01:06:24):
And so you know that therapywhether it was with my kids or
friends disc golfing because Iwas going through a heck of a
time just in my marriage.
I mean, my marriage was over.
The second, I had two kids andI stayed and survived in that
abuse for 12 years to protect mykids, and then, when I couldn't

(01:06:44):
anymore, it was the decision Ihad to make.
Well, disc golf is therapy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I know the feeling firsthand.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Okay, Okay.
So you know, disc golf likewith you guys, a lot of that
feeling of just being able tobreathe, being able to be out
there where there's noexpectations you can go with
your friends or I go solo a lotand nature, just if you breathe.

(01:07:14):
I don't think enough peoplerealize how important that is,
how important it is to be alone,and I'm a people person, I love
people.
But what I also realizedthrough all of this, how
important being alone is to mein that I tend to thrive a

(01:07:39):
little more when you can haveall of the freedom and the peace
of letting your disc fly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Wow wow and you really kind of need both is you
need people and you need thatconnection and you also need to
take a break once in a while yep, and disc golf provides that
for any frame of mind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
You guys know it's a fun thing just to do as a couple
, right?
and then it's a fun thing to dowith other couples, and then
it's sometimes not a fun thingto do as a couple, and then it's
sometimes not a fun thing to doas a couple and we move past
that anyway, and then sometimessomebody's home doing laundry
while the other person's outdisc golfing with friends, right
, but um, it was and and to havemy kids just experience it and

(01:08:26):
get to be out of the woods likeI used to with a stick banging
on the trees, I didn't care ifmy kids did other things than
disc golf.
They were out enjoying, theywere listening to dad, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Do your kids still play.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I don't know, you know it's been four years now,
gotcha, but I, you know, I leftthem in God's hands, not mom's,
and so I know that, by doingthis with Tanzania and finally
being able to get my voice backand bringing this connection on
top of all of the otherconnections, that this is the

(01:09:08):
one that's going to get it allback and my world will be back.
So that's what disc golf alsooffers.
It's a spirit of family, it's aspirit of all of it.
I mean, when I was down andlost friends and everything, I'd
go out to the disc course andsometimes I wanted to be alone
or I would find somebody elsewho was throwing by themselves

(01:09:29):
and boom, now you've just made afriend that you didn't know you
had yep, friends are uh neverin short supply when you're out
disc golfing no, no, no.
And uh, you know you find yourgroup and that's the beauty of
it is is that there's enoughgroups for everybody.

(01:09:49):
And and I just love the sport,the camaraderie, it all fit well
with the spirit of Tanzania.
I've never made this commercial.
I don't plan to.
This is my own Peace Corps,this is with a purpose and it
doesn't need to get ruined byanything, and especially money.
And so I mean that's why Ifunded my own work 22 years and

(01:10:15):
basically now it's talking mywalk because if I can do that,
let's go disc golf world, we can.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yeah, I love the challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
And that's pretty much what Scott told us a couple
of weeks ago and we interviewedhim was that you know, if you
want to go out there and teachit, just get out there and do it
.
You don't need the website, youdon't need the brand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
You just need to get out there and do it and go do it
, and I have my Tanzanianstaking care of us and we hired a
social media team and a websiteteam from Tanzania.
I mean, it's theirs.
We're going to help them andbuild it up and we learn so much
from them.
So I'm going to share my worldbecause that's the gift I have

(01:11:02):
to give and, even though myworld was taken away, it'll come
back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Yep was taken away, it'll come back, yep and so.
So, revisiting the tanzaniathing, how did you, where did
you get the inspiration to say,hey, tanzania needs disc golf?
Like where did that come?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
well, um, okay, so that's a good segue into trash,
panda, disc golf and Uh-huh.
Those guys are amazing and it'sbeen an issue that I've seen in
Tanzania so long one of themain environmental issues but

(01:11:40):
also one of the connectors tohere and being able to get
volunteers to help come clean upthe plastic there.
There are really no recyclingcompanies in Africa.
I mean plastic glass that ourcompanies from abroad bring in.
Nobody helps.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
So we take plastic over there and just dump it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Coca-Cola.
I mean our companies, companiesfrom all over the world selling
bottled water, sodas,everything, but there's no
recycling companies.
So you know what happens afteryears of that?
It just gets dumped and put andpolluted well, it just.
It goes into a pile or alandfill somewhere, and then it
goes into the soil and the cropsor they're burning plastic

(01:12:21):
right yeah or like where we'rebuilding our first pmf course,
half of the job is slashing thegrass, the other half is
cleaning up the plastic.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
And for our listeners out there.
The PMF is the Paul MacbethFoundation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Ah, yes, sorry, Paul.
Macbeth Foundation is wonderful.
They go and help around theworld, but what we do, is we get
to also teach the importance ofthe environment?
Do is, is we get to also teachthe important of importance of
environment?
Um and again, disc golf lendsitself to clean, cleaning up um

(01:12:56):
the forests and and reallythat's what's needed there.
There's no recycling company,so trash panda, and I've always
had the plan of disc golf andbeing able to make discs out of
the plastic.
I've always been about aservice and safari trip and disc
golf and being able to makediscs out of the plastic.
I've always been about aservice and safari trip, and
disc golf can touch every bit oflife in Tanzania.

(01:13:19):
That's needed to make a changefor the better for everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
So I remember a little bit a while, a few
minutes ago, you were sayingwell, I was playing safari holes
down at my local course, andthen you put two and two
together safari, Tanzania, andbam, you got disc golf right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Boom.
I mean it's a dream and it's adream that's real.
Like that's what we do, I getto take the Paul McBeth
Foundation and we're going to bebringing two from Zambia, two
from Uganda and then two fromUganda and then the two guys
from PM Paul McBeth Foundationhere in the US, and that's who's
going to be on the installationteam.

(01:13:59):
So when?

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
you got that stroke of brilliance there.
What was your next step?

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Next step was well, I had the stroke of brilliance
and, but I had to find thepartner in tanzania and, and
just by chance, when the thoughtpopped in my head, I was on
linkedin and and found a guy intanzania who was tanzania
aquaculture association.
Aquaculture has been a bigconnector also with me in

(01:14:28):
milwaukee and tanz, so I'm justlike, all right, I'm going to
reach out to this guy and Icalled Jeffrey and in an instant
I knew disc golf can happenwith him and I taught him.
I mean, they're 11 hours aheadof us, so it's phone calls and
sending emails and literallyeducating person to person to

(01:14:49):
where he got it understood.
It was excited.
We got a hundred discs to himright away and, uh, they were
already on the continent and uh,got up to him and then he
patiently waited.
We continued to speak and get toknow each other.
He's my brother and, uh, he hadeverything set up and um for us

(01:15:13):
to arrive then with the mcbethfoundation and paul wright in
october, to where we could go tothe largest university in the
country, have permission to walkaround at the sports complex,
design, layout and design acourse and market.
So that's uh, that's kind of.

(01:15:35):
In short.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Oh well, that worked out I can just imagine what
that's going to, how that'sgoing to uh provide
opportunities for the peoplethere, like, like, even like
even college like even thearchitectural design of, like
being a disc golf coursedesigner, like my uncle is a
golf course designer in New York.

(01:15:57):
Like I could just imagine thatsome of these kids you know
going to college find a love anda passion of disc golf and then
they decide to grow on thatLike it's planting these seeds,
it's creating opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yep, yep, that's exactly it.
And it goes back to agricultureand why I began it.
So this is disc golf, again,the greatest cultural connector
I could bring to even a playingfield, to where our cultures can
see and help each other.
And I've known how muchtanzania will help us.

(01:16:30):
But we're so fearful over herethat I just walked it, made the
bridge and now I'm gonna askeverybody to walk up with that's
incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
now, when we spoke on the phone last night, you were
talking about how your ultimateplan around disc golf not only
only to well, build more courses, but now you have a national
sanctioned sport from theAthletics Federation of Tanzania
, correct?
Yeah, what was that processlike?
How does that all work inTanzania?

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Well, in Tanzania, when you start something, you
have a club or a sport.
You start with an association,right, and then Tanzania has 24
regions, like we have states inthe US.
They have 24 regions, and youhave to get the sport going in
five regions before you can thenbecome a federation and a

(01:17:30):
national sport.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
And this is like a sanctioned club type of level,
not like just oh we're playingsome disc golf on the street
there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
No right.
And again, as an associationyou begin and then you grow it.
So now we literally just in ourtrip there, but it's based on
the 22 years of work prior rightto be able to go in and make
something happen on that level.
And now it's a national sportand we're a federation.

(01:18:04):
So Facebook has to catch upbecause our Facebook page we
can't change our name for 30days and now we're a federation.
So on Facebook page it'sTanzanian Disc Golf Association,
but soon to be federation.
And we were able to do thatbased on the plan Jeffrey and I

(01:18:25):
have to grow the sport in thecountry with Paul Macbeth
Foundation, but not as the onlyavenue of waiting, because so
many ways to grow the sport.
So we're just going to share itwith everyone in two-week
service and safari trips ofteaching disc golf, getting to
put baskets up or going over ourcourse or or both, and teaching

(01:18:50):
kids at primary schools andthen getting to go on safari and
the immersion in culture.
That's what I've been working on22 years, so I'm not going to
make a commercial.
It's my own peace corps and Ifeel like disc golf alone could
make happen the purpose I beganthis all for.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
And then the other part of our conversation I
wanted you to emphasize on wasyou said that you were looking
at disc golf as an economicdriver to foster stability in
the Tanzanian region and theTanzanian country.
Can you elaborate and talkabout your plans, on how you

(01:19:33):
plan to accomplish that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Yeah, sure, and stability meaning food security.
Really, the country has 68million people.
When I began it was 45 millionpeople.
They were importing 70% oftheir food, then they're still
were importing 70 of their food,then they're still importing 70
of their food.
My plan is still the same.

(01:19:56):
I know until they can feedtheir own people, they won't get
out of the situations thatwe're in of deep poverty, and
but it has to come from withinthem.
It isn't going to be us tellingthem what to do because it
doesn't work there like it workshere, and so I I gave myself

(01:20:18):
the time to understand a lot ofthings there.
But what I do understand isthat tourism in the southern
circuit of national parks isgoing to grow because we're
going to bring disc golf rightto it, and that is the economic
driver that is going to helpbuild roads out to where all the

(01:20:44):
fertile farmland.
That they can grow the cropsand get it back to market.
That they can grow the cropsand get it back to market.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
So literally this is part of an economic plan for the
country Gotcha.
So the plan is just to bring inmore eyeballs, more bodies, and
then that's going to fostermore stewardship over the
country.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
It will, because tourism is like Tanzania's's
number one business, and whenthe pandemic came they lost it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
And now you're talking a country that's already
one of the poorest in the world, and it's poorest only because
economics, not poor because ofresources, you know well, africa
has been the strip mine ofwestern society forever and
eastern and eastern and eastern,and it's horrible that's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
So I said I'm not, not on my watch, no, and, and
that's why I'm not making acommercial.
I get to invite who I want.
I'm inviting the disc golfworld.
This will not be commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
So, in inviting the disc golf world, what can we do
to help support you?
Where can we reach out to you?
How can we help Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Things that we want to do are create sister disc
golf clubs, master disc golfclubs and I match up one club
with one club in Tanzania.
You do a tournament.
$5,000 builds you a wholecourse in Tanzania and that's
giving jobs to the welders andothers.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
That's one thing.
The biggest thing, though, thatI want, I want people to travel
with me.
I want them to know it's notscary, it's not expensive and
it's the greatest thing you'reever going to do in your life.
I'm down, yeah.
So, just to give an idea, ifanybody wanted to go for two

(01:22:47):
weeks service and safari trip to, where you get to go on safari
for a couple nights and be outof the bush, the itinerary, I
have the timing of it.
I also know what makes the mostdifference and the impact.
So we get to be teaching andlearning and teaching kids doing
clinics, getting to be immersedin the culture the first few

(01:23:10):
days, and then, in the middle ofthe trip, we go out to the bush
, take a little break, letthings sink in, see the animals
Amazing, right.
Then you get back, do moreservice work, and by the time
you leave, you're crying becauseyou're going to miss the people

(01:23:30):
you met, not the animals yousaw, and that's my gift to what
I get to give that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
That is so cool.
So, sister disc golf clubs iswhat you're, what you're talking
about that's what I would liketo you know begin I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
I'm starting that here with silverton right away.
Um, and tanzania disc golffederation is basically the pdga
of tanzania, right it's.
We're learning, we're gettinghelp from the pdga, they're
giving the knowledge, all ofthat, so that that can be the
leading organization in acountry where everything will

(01:24:08):
funnel down.
But we had the plan to get itinto primary, secondary schools
and make sure that they have abasket on their playground and
that's really the greatest man.
That's so much fun and I can'twait to take people to go feel
the love.
That's really what it is allabout.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Well, I wanted to jump in really quickly about
having a disc golf basket at aschool.
Not only does it give the kidsthe opportunity to throw into
the basket for fun with theirfriends, like you see the kids
on social media like they'redoing all these weird trick
shots and like kicking the discinto it and creating all these

(01:24:48):
new ways to, I guess,essentially putt.
But I have found that you know,if you have a kid who's
dysregulated, they're havingthose big emotions.
It is such a great opportunityto take them outside and say
here, huck a disc at a basket.
It gives them that outlet in ahealthy way and gets the kids to

(01:25:10):
regulate in a way that is thenproductive.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
So kudos to having those baskets there.
Yeah, yep, attitude adjustment.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Yeah, for sure.
Well, let's do this real quick.
I mean, I'm feeling inspired.
Are you feeling inspired, Jenny?

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
I'm scared when you're inspired.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
So, through the power of the podcast and ListenerLand
out there, the Sister Disc GolfAssociations love it if anybody
out there in ListenerLand hasconnections, knows a guy that
knows a guy, or is that personyourself?
Uh, get a hold of ryan here andand work with him and let's

(01:25:56):
let's do this and blow it up.
How do we get a hold of you,ryan?

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
um, people can uh reach out if they want.
Uh, my email is ryskafer-y-s-K-A-I-F.
As in Frank E at Yahoocom, theycan call me 608-406-6567, or go
onto the Facebook page TanzaniaDisc Golf Association, soon to

(01:26:22):
be Federation, or just find meon Facebook or get a hold of you
guys, the Intentional DiscGolfer.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
You guys know a lot well, thank you and I'm, I'm
actually I'm actually hopingthat, if I if I get in with
mason county that we might beable to do one of those sister
uh sister groups I'm hoping, oh,I think, I think it would be
really fun to try.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
And, jenny, so you know too, too, with the women,
empowering women.
To me, number one.
I've been around the world,I've lived 50 years of life.
The strongest person in theworld, bar none, is an African
grandmother, and you would havea hard time dissuading me of
that thought.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
The strongest women, what they've gone through and
how they lived, and when youcome, you're gonna see it and
that's the best part of theeducation I can give.
But I can't make people get ona plane, you know I can only do
so much.
So, um, I did it.
I got on a boat reversing stuff.
I went voluntarily to af on aboat, so there's some symbolism

(01:27:32):
for you of what we're doing andreversing some things.
Um, but two weeks service andsafari trips and being able to
just bring people and host youguys at home, wow, it's, it's
amazing, it really is.
There's nothing better I can dowith my life.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Well, I was just going to say that I can relate
with that, with having a we putin the disc golf course at Chief
Kitsap, again through the PaulMcBeth Foundation.
And a year later hearing from acouncil member how much their
kiddo blossomed and grew frombeing, you know, a kid that
wasn't necessarily showing up atschool, kind of a drifter.

(01:28:14):
He ended up losing hisgrandfather, which was his
father figure, but he found discgolf and the disc golf.
He was out there every daypracticing, playing and bringing
more people with him and justwatching how people blossom
through this sport.
Like being able to go to Africaand meet those people and learn

(01:28:37):
their culture and connect thatwith a sport that you know we
love.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
like that's like a dream come true oh yeah, it
really is and and again.
Back to just to touch on the umstrong women in Tanzania and
why really it's important to getthe the ladies side going
because tanzania has their firstfemale president.
Mama samia will be throwing outthe first disc when I go next

(01:29:05):
month that is so cool so I, ifshe's available, she'll be there
.
Regardless, I'm going to haveformer ambassadors to the US
that I've worked with.
I've worked with the last 10ambassadors to the US.
They serve two-year terms.
Happens to be also when I firstgot here and world coming back

(01:29:28):
in disc golf that a friend of 18years was named US ambassador
at Tanzania, number 10 that I'veworked with.
So, um, she has, and and it'sagain the females, they lead the
country yeah, women are thegatekeepers, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
any, any married man out there, any married man out
there, knows you don't crossmama, nope.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Nope, if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
That's right.
So you know they make mamashappy there and we'll make mama
Samia happy.
So I'm hoping that, like thefirst pitch in baseball will
begin, and every course we openup, we'll start with the first
throw.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
I'm hoping she'll be there and if she can will.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
That's so very otherwise definitely former
ambassadors I've had towisconsin, um, so happens,
ambassador major, in 2012 Ibrought her to wisconsin, um,
and uh, she now happens to bethe head of all the vice
chancellors at the universitywhere my first disc golf course

(01:30:38):
is going, so she will be thereand she really understands
everything I've been doing aswell.
So it's it's those kinds ofconnections, and disc golf
really fits in a lot and a lotof things that are needed to be
brought out to help today'ssociety here and there yes, well

(01:30:59):
said yeah, yeah I'm, I'm alittle blown away and uh well,
you got jenny crying over hereyes
uh, guys, it's save the tears.
Save the tears for for when youleave Tanzania, I always cry
when I leave, man, I don't everwant to come back, but it's

(01:31:21):
things we have to do for now,until we get it going.
And it's fine, it's home, we'llget there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
That is way, way cool .

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Oh, the food is so good, you guys, and we get to go
, like before before, around andjust pick breakfast off the
trees.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Oh man.
So what is for breakfast inTanzania?

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Well, you're going to have your pick at the hotel
because it's a buffet.
You have all the fruits you getlocal, you get the fruits, you
get every single thing you want.
But my kind of morning isliterally getting up, having my
coffee and going for a hike andthe sister city I began, which
is just three hours from dar essalam.

(01:32:02):
It's where the second coursehopefully that will bmf that
we're going to do, it's whereI'm going to lead them anyway,
and it's the oldest mountains inthe world is the backdrop and I
literally have my coffee and Itake either passion fruit, mango
, banana, sometimes all of themPick them and go and just hike

(01:32:24):
up a little bit and sit and lookover the city.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
You can't beat it.
It's Africa.
You can't beat the smells, youcan't Nothing, and it's what we
used to have back here soundslike there's snacks on the
course the whole time yep thesnacks grow on the trees yep,
your bananas are everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
It's awesome that's so we were.
Uh, we were chatting with youin the uh intentional disc
golfer podcast chat room onFacebook and you were saying
about bringing baskets intoTanzania and that adventure.
Tell us about that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Well, when we went, we had, I think, think one
portable basket there thatjeffrey had and I had already
sent him the specs from pdagpdga website on the basket.
So welders they, they built one, and so that was what went to
the primary school so you hadthem built there in country yeah

(01:33:33):
, yeah, we um and this was evenbefore pmf agreed to go.
But I just had gotten jeffreythe specs and he had gotten 100
discs so they needed a basket.
So I sent him the specs.
His welders just made thebasket and you know it works.
It works.
And it wasn't the right sizechains.
It was what they could do.
But that was the value of justgoing back with paul right in

(01:33:58):
october is we went shopping.
Now, shopping in in africa isway different than going to ace
hardware here, right, um, andgoing to find.
You had to go find the pipesfor the basket.
You have to find the, you know,the wire for the cages.
You got to find the chains.
So it was an adventure, it wasa trip.

(01:34:18):
It is so cool that I wisheverybody could go with me on it
, and when we build courseseverybody does get to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
It's an experience you have to have so you, so you
and paul went around to.
Now what, what kind of is itlike?
I, I assume there's no homedepots and there's not a home
depot over in africa.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
We're in town and we're at these little shops that
have tin roofs and all oh yeahthere's.
I don't even know what's goingon.
Luckily I have my friends right.
I mean, all my partners aretanzanian.
So now, now those guys knew allthe spots to go, and it took a
couple places to find the rightchains, the right pipes.

(01:35:00):
We purchased it.
They had a basket made within48 hours of being there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
And it was perfect it was perfect, so we had all the
sourcing yeah, sourcing I meanpaint, even to paint it red so
we were able to source allmaterials, find the right guys.
We know what it takes now andwe know we can go build a course
for $5,000.
That's incredible.
And I know that any disc golfclub in the country can do a

(01:35:29):
tournament and raise $5,000.
So there's part of my plan andraise $5,000.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
So there's part of my plan.
Well, I think you're putting achallenge to us, since we're
trying to do some back-to-backtournaments here coming up in
May, that we may need to addthat as part of our goals.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Yeah, I think, so I mean you earn a trip to Africa
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Sounds worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Oh, my God Wait.
I get tod a tournament and getto go to africa like where do I
sign up?

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
and it'll be a tax write-off.
Then the whole way if you'rehelping oh my gosh transfer of
knowledge is the biggest keyguys like, if I will give
anybody that discount needed abigger?
I will give anyone yep, I willgive anyone that discount.
Needed a bigger reason?
I will give anyone.
Yep, I will give anyone thatdiscount.
You want to come and spend yourtime and teach, please, because
I have 68 million people and Icannot teach them myself.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Well, it's going to take a while for us to teach
them all disc golf, but it's adaunting task but I feel up to
it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
We just have to take our kids.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it.
Yeah, we just have to take ourkids.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I knowthe the disc golf world, you
know that's listening can help.
So it's there.
It's just that we have to getover a lot of of of fear, a lot
of unknown um, and just againlevel the playing field which,
with disc golf, we have.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
So yeah, now yeah, it's not expensive so disc golf
is ultimately a people thing.
It's about people and it'sabout connection, and you said
that the tanzanian people arejust lovely.
Can you, can you tell us aboutthe people?

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
yeah, they're um social people.
They're jokesters, they love todance music, their art and what
they create is just beautifuland they take care of it and
they take family in.
So everyone is together, notput in nursing homes, right yeah

(01:37:44):
so a true example of it.
Takes a village right, right andno, it's, it's really the thing
and it's it's again how we,it's what we lost touch with in
this country, and so, um, that'swhy I've loved it, stuck to it,
and and they, you know, they,they love to drink beer, have a
good time, they're jokesters, um, and they love american country

(01:38:08):
music I love country music.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
Oh, poor brandon, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
That's me.
Oh sorry if you're not acountry fan, but that's what
you're going to get.
My goal is to have the firstcountry concert at Tanzania's
National Soccer Stadium, andthat's where I'll be going with
that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
That'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
That'll be a fundraiser for all of this but
Tanzania's National SoccerStadium.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Disc Golf Fundraiser Country Concert.
For all of this, but tanzania'snational soccer stadium disc
golf.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Disc golf fundraiser country concert that I'm doing
that out here at our coursewhere I'm building it.
I'm building the coolestoutdoor amphitheater we've got.
We're going to be having discgolf and all of my musicians
I've met around here insilverton it's.
I mean, I've never been to aplace in this small of an area

(01:38:57):
with this much talent, musicwise, and I've been, you know,
meeting people by going out andfilming all.
But it's all been part of theplan.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
And the stage is going to be shaped like a basket
.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Yeah, good idea.
See, I had to learn yes youhave to make a birdie putt in
order to perform.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
Like you can't go on stage now you're giving me ideas
there you go, that is so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
But yeah, the connection with how I'm also
working on growing this inAfrica.
Their soccer players are thestars right, everybody knows
their soccer players, so I'vebeen working on getting my
soccer players in Tanzania,showing them disc golf and
getting them excited so we canco-promote sports.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Oh yeah, disc golf needs to become an Olympic sport
.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
It's in Africa it's in Southeast Asia now.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
Japan, new Zealand, australia.
It needs to become an Olympicsport, and soon.
I think it's coming, it's justa matter of when.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
You think, in 28 in LA when it comes, that it could
be a trial sport and I hope thePDGA is working towards that.
However, what we're workingtowards in Africa is being a
medal sport at the East AfricaGames.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Oh, that would be cool too.
That would be huge, and it is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
That's actually going to be happening.
And it is that's actually goingto be happening.
We have another organizationcalled Africa Disc Golf United.
That is 13 countries in Africathat have disc golf, and so I

(01:40:54):
represent Tanzania every twoweeks.
It's like the United Nations,you guys.
It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
And so these are the things we discuss in that
conversation of the continentand how we're going to help lead
it as the organization on thewhole continent I'm you know
what, and if I were in that roomI'd be just the guy in the
corner like with my mouth on myjaw on the floor, my eyes all
wide, and be like oh my gosh, ohmy gosh you know what would be
so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
I'll send you the link.
Actually in two weeks, when wehave ours, jump on oh, it's a
online thing uh, yeah, we justdo a zoom call, so I just gotta
send you the link oh, that wouldbe so cool that, oh, you should
.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
I would love just to be that experience is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Oh yeah, I'll invite anybody.
Any disc golf groups or peoplewant to join this stuff, for
this is like I'll connect andwe're gonna make it work.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Oh man, I Got chills, I got chills.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
There's just there's a thing with a connection and
and it's time because everythinghas gotten so disconnected that
I'm pretty sure that's becauseeverything has gotten so
disconnected that I'm prettysure that's why my energy level
is back where it needs to be andI didn't think it could come
back to.
I was a lot of hope right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
So this has been all a personal thing, but disc golf
has been there to help methrough it and and we're gonna
have other people having thatopportunity as well well and and
I can relate to this, I'm Ihave a light bulb turning on
here because I've played sportsat all different levels, in all
sorts of different sports andthere's nothing like disc golf

(01:42:27):
and I'm trying I've been tryingfor a while now just to put my
finger on what that thing is.
Uh, it's so many things andwhat itch does that scratch?
And I I think part of it is abig part of it is the
inclusivity and the connection,the connection to nature, the
connection to yourself, theconnection to each other and the

(01:42:48):
connection to a broadercommunity that you have a friend
, no matter where you go, nomatter what yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
And, and you know, talk about circle of life.
Well, what is a disc right?

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
I just had the lion king.
What is it?
I know I had a lion king thinggoing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
She, she started, she leaned back and started waving
her hands and I'm like yeah, itis a wing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Yeah, it's uh that's.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
It's all of that, you guys.
It's all of that.
And I, by the way to aprecursor to all of this is that
the tokens that originally sangthe lion sleeps tonight.
They were my guests.
When I worked on royalcaribbean.
I got to hang out with all ofthem and film that song every

(01:43:43):
night.
They signed my poster and then,five years later, there we are
in africa, wow, wow.
So, yeah, it's like that in mylife and, uh, I'm just glad I've
had my eyes open and I wantmore people to be able to do
that and see that and feel that.
And I know that by by workingin and getting to go to africa,

(01:44:05):
it, um, it does it.
It happens to like change your,your, your funk that you're in
and you make it makes you feelalive again and become more
sensitized, but more also like,okay, I can do something to make
a difference, because a lot oftimes back here it's negative

(01:44:25):
and it's like, no matter what Ido, I'm not making a difference.
But if you're feeling the need,um, this golf can do that in
every way, whether it's local orglobal, and I just have the way
to do both on a daily basis andI'm blessed and, um, I'm really
hopeful that that folks will um, listen and want to travel and

(01:44:48):
contact, because it is, it's thegreatest experience of, of, of
a lifetime if you haven't doneit, and then it just opens the
door for the rest of the greatexperiences.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Well, I'm really hoping that after we post this
podcast, that you are at leastpleasantly overwhelmed with
people reaching out to you, sothat's my hope.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
I have to say, Ryan, do you realize what you've done
here?
Do you realize?
This Is that you've come ontothis podcast and you've birthed
the Sister Disc Golf Clubprogram.
You just gave birth to it.
You're a proud papa.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Well, asante sana, as we say in Tanzania.
Thank you very much, rafiki,and you know that already, so
I'm ready to take you up closeand personal to Pumba and Simba.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Well, you know, we're big zoo people.
We go to the zoo at least twicea year, every year, and if we
were to travel, we always hit azoo.
Um, we haven't been able totravel much because of kids and
pets, but, and because we'realways going to disc golf
courses instead of zoos.
It would be on our list, but toto now, I had experience.

(01:46:07):
I had an experience once not toget sidetracked, but, uh, to
get sidetracked.
I had experience once when I wasa teenager, I had the privilege
of being able to go to waltdisney world's animal park right
when it opened yeah and the waythey have the enclosures for
the animals designed is.
You don't see any of the wallsor the fences or anything.

(01:46:28):
It's like you're right out therein the savannah and it is
pretty cool and to go andexperience that for real, in
real life it out in the actualafrican savannah, that is a pipe
dream of mine that I've hadever since I've been a little
boy yeah, I think, um, that'swhat did it for me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
I had that, that too, and uh, then getting to be
there and do it is just, itwasn't lost on me.
I'm like I want this the restof my life.
So, um, I mean, you gotta lovethe bush Like I love the bush,
but it's, it's an amazing placewhere there are no fences and
the people people live with theanimals and, um, amazing, you

(01:47:13):
don't see that anywhere.
So that's, you know, that'swhat I can offer is just a lot
of hard work, of making it work,and something that you'll be
happy, proud you did, and wantto come back.
And that's the beauty of what Ihave done is not made it about
money.
I've made it so that people cankeep coming back, and that's

(01:47:35):
what we want.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
So I was just thinking that.
I hope that I'm sure youalready have this thought out,
but with the course that you'remaking down there in Silverton,
that you share, like you know.
So here's hole one here, buthere's what hole one looks like
at this other course that we'reat and you share some of your
story as you're going aroundthrough the course, that would
be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Well, yeah, it's a sister course.
Yeah, it is a little bit, andwhat we're doing here, though,
so you know, is, um, we're tyingit to history, because I'm
bringing in the mural societyand the historic society, and,
uh, we're going to name everyhole, every bike trail, every
hiking trail after a founder orexplorer from here.

(01:48:22):
So that way the funding is therefor yep, and that's going to be
part of the obstacle course iswe're going to get things used
back in the day not being used,but they're going to literally
be out there as obstacles forour nine hole course.
Ace run, but it's going to tellthe history very, and that's

(01:48:42):
what I want our t-pads are allgoing to be green turf, so that
you know we don't leave afootprint, yet we will.
We'll leave our mark.
That course is going to be one.
I know it's going to be one ofthe best around.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
That is so incredibly cool.
It's elevation.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
It's just beauty.
It was made for this.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
That is so incredibly cool.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
All right, ryan.
I love the idea, jen, though,of being able to show what each
hole convers know.
Conversely, on the other sideof the world looks like when you
have your club, so that'sanother nugget for thought,
thank you, yeah, One of theschools here out on Bainbridge,
when I was talking with theirathletic director.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
PE teacher yeah, bainbridge Island, okay.
Yep.
Teacher yeah, bambridge island,okay.
Um, yep, what they do on theircourse is like they'll put
questions or stuff out on thedifferent uh signs so that the
kids have to do that work, andthen they throw the hole and
then they go to the next one anddo whatever the work is.
So it's it's they've tied itinto their learning to education

(01:49:51):
.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
Dang.
Such a good idea, cool.
Oh.
I love it because that's goingright.
That idea right there is goingto go right to Jeffrey in
Tanzania and we'll beinstituting that.
So good call.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Yeah, sounds like a good plan.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Yep, I can say that right away.
That's part of our plan overthere now.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Good job, see, now you have to come gotta, I will.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Yeah, I tell you just , you have to just having this
conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
I feel like my life has changed.
I can say that honest, um, well, well, thank you I, honestly
it's, it's, you know, it hasn'tbeen for nothing.
I I haven't done this to keepto myself, yet.
I had to do it myself for selfto know that I could have the
confidence now and go do it andhave a country completely behind
me, and they are.

(01:50:40):
So that's the biggest thing ofwhen you, you know, start
bringing people in the safety ofeverything.
And and then you have to getover stereotypes, of that as
well.
It's, it's a lot to go through.
I gave myself a lot of time todo it.
I had a big plan and you know,I mean that's just a testament
to the hope and inspiration inthe country of Tanzania, the

(01:51:01):
hope in Tanzania.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
The hope in.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Tanzania.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
That's the beginning and what it'll always be.
So I appreciate you guys andyour time, because it gives me
hope to be able to talk about itagain and, quite honestly, my
kids need it and our world needsit right now.
It touches on a lot more thanjust disc golf oh, yeah, it does
it does for sure.
Thank you for the conversationand, um, maybe, uh, you know,

(01:51:30):
we'll get to do a podcast livefrom Tanzania and we'll have
Jeffrey come on in and get totalk about it all.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
Yeah, that would be amazing.
I would love to do that thatwould be cool.
I'd be blown away.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
We'll work on that.
We'll work on that next timehere.
March 11 is when I leave, sowe'll uh, we'll, talk before
then.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Super cool, all right , so, ryan, we're coming up here
on time.
Uh, do you have any other?
Uh, any other, any things thatyou want to talk about before we
go into our wrap-ups?

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
I would just say, um, no matter how big disc golf
gets, because it's going to keepgrowing, um, always remember
that where we came from, withthe sport, and keep that spirit
alive with the sport, becausethat's what's going to really
continue to make the difference.
And I'm happy for paul mcbethand his foundation and I'm

(01:52:22):
hoping other players eventuallywill get to do that.
Um, when you get to be big likethat, things, um, you know,
sometimes don't go as quickly asyou would like them to, but
that's where other organizationsand you just feed off of each
other and and I want that spiritto stay there because I know
that you know that's his spirit.

(01:52:43):
No matter what happens with thefoundation and, and how many
courses he builds and how longhe keeps playing, uh, the spirit
of what he wanted to do shouldalways remain, and that's
transferring knowledge andgiving opportunities to folks
who don't have it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
That's an incredible representation of the work of
the Paul Macbeth Foundation, forsure.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
Yeah, and I just wanted to chime in and say that,
you know, it's going to be veryprobably inspirational to watch
him as he grows now that he's afather too.
Very probably inspirational towatch him as he grows now that
he's a father too, and leavingthis legacy for his children and
then his children's children.
It's going to be fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Yeah, certainly is.
It's definitely self-satisfyingand good for the heart and all
the feels.
So let's keep it going.
Disc Golf World.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
All right, some different questions now.
Ryan, you ready for this?
Yes what do you got in the bag?

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
man, I'm an old school destroyer, thrower,
backhand, um, you know my bag,honestly, because I've taught so
many people and given my discsaway that I don't buy a lot.
Stuff just comes to my bag.
I teach, I give, I throw and Ilearn what's in my bag.

(01:54:02):
So it's the craziest mix youwill ever see, but I will tell
you the discs I have.
I try to learn until I losethem.
So, in short, my discs are allover the place, but they're
definitely centered with theright spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
So if you had to give me a top five, what would you
say they are?
You said Destroyer.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
So my Destroyer definitely I forehand an old
Valkyrie that I love the oldschool plastic.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Ooh, the old Valkyries.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Oh gosh, it's beat up and it just flies.
Beautiful on the forehand.
Man, I'm going to tell you, Ihave two putters.
It's tough.
Of course I have the Rhino, butnow I've got a judge and the
judge has actually a sister, thewarden, and so now I've kind of

(01:55:07):
like putting.
I've grown my game a little bitbecause they can do different
things with putting.
So that's cool and that's thevalue of just having one basket
things with putting.
So that's cool and that's thevalue of just having one basket
um.
So disc golf doesn't have to be18 holes to be a disc golfer
that's what's beautiful aboutthe sport, um what?
About your mids let's uh mymiddies, man.

(01:55:28):
The buzz is the best, you can'tgo wrong everybody throws the
buzz it's a it's.
It's a money money disc.
It's one that I'll make sure isin every Tanzanian's bag,
should they make the deal withus.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
If you're from, Discraft and you're listening.
I have 68 million customershere, if you happen to be from
Discraft.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Yes, if you happen to be listening.
We love the buzz.
That is the buzz in tanzaniaand I am a marketer, so let's go
how about?

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
how about a buzz with a a hope in tanzania stamp?
Oh they, probably we gotta dothat man, we need that stamp.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
So if somebody wants to do that man, that's royalty
in africa.
So, um, that's really probablythe biggest thing I'm proud of
is just being able to do somethings where we literally are
reversing some steps thatshouldn't have been taken in the
first place, healing the trauma, taking the steps to address

(01:56:30):
what has happened and how wemove forward from it.
Yeah, and disc golf as well aslife.
So it's you know, you learnfrom all of that and you move
forward and just hope you havethe right people listening when
you finally do get to have avoice, and I'm glad you guys
have a voice.
Thanks for giving me a voice,because I've been the journalist

(01:56:51):
and that has been my career,but I've lived a story now and
done a thing that, um, it's timeto start talking about it and
and really talk the walk that Idid.
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
We're honored to be able to speak to you and and put
your story.
Uh, listen to your story andput your story out there.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
Yeah, and I want to challenge the other disc golfers
out there.
If you're listening to the showor you know somebody, or you
share it with your friends, Iwant to challenge you guys.
Who's going to be the next one?
Who's going to be the one tostep up?
Who's going to be the one totake those steps?
Who's going to be the one to dothe courses, to do the good
work and to reach these?

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
underserved populations and move this ball
forward.
Wow, thank you.
It really is something neededfrom our community back here to
help it grow and hopefully bywhat these organizations Macbeth
Foundation and just otherswho've been working in Africa
have made it seem not so scarybecause it really is nothing to
be afraid of.
The biggest thing we have to beafraid of is is not going to

(01:58:01):
experience it when we have theopportunity.
So I'm throwing the opportunityout there.
Disc golf world.
Come on into Tanzania with usTwo week service and safari trip
and it'll change your world.
You will be connected to themotherland and by coming to
Tanzania you are connected tothe other countries with disc

(01:58:21):
golf, so that you can continueto come back and experience all
the wonders of Africa.
That man we just don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
Thank you, so that does it for this episode of the
intentional disc golfer.
Remember you can like,subscribe, share if you want to
be a part of the cause.
Uh, and also now the hope in uhTanzania cause with uh Ryan
Scaife.
Thank you so much for beingwith us, ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Thank you guys for having me.
It was a pleasure and I lovewhat you're doing.
Continue and keep it up andlook forward to talking with you
from Africa.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Absolutely so.
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Please like, share, subscribe,follow, tell all of your friends
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(01:59:20):
That is the symbol at the IDGpodcast.
You can also go onto ourpodcast website and send us a
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Speaker 1 (01:59:34):
And if you have a story that you'd like to share
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Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
One way to do that is through the facebook group that
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You can join our general chatand have a direct line to us and
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get uh with us on patreon.

(02:00:05):
We have some exclusive contentand we're quickly building more
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So it's patreoncom backslashthe intentional disc golfer, and
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gmailcom.
That is the intentional discgolfer at gmailcom, and please
stay tuned.
After the outro music we willhave some bloopers and whatnot,

(02:00:27):
some funny little hahas andouttakes, and we'd like to thank
all of our fans and supportersover the years.
You guys are the reason that wecan keep doing this and why we
can do what we do.
So thank you out there forbeing a fan.
We love you.
I am one of your intentionaldisc golfers.
My name is Brandon.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
And I'm Jenny.

Speaker 3 (02:00:49):
And hope for Tanzania .
The truth is is that disc golf,disc golfers make a difference
in this world and disc golf cantruly change lives.
And and first of all, we'd liketo thank all of our fans and

(02:01:42):
supporters for hanging with usthroughout the years.
We love you, appreciate you andif you would like to become a
fan or a supporter of the show,you can get a hold.
If you would like to become afan or a supporter of the show,
you can follow us on Facebook orInstagram at Soprinski Disc
Golf.
That is C-Z-U-P-R-Y Disc Golf.

(02:02:04):
I screwed that up.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
You misspelled your name, I know.
I know that was funny.
Let's try it again.
Let's not spell it Like theycan go back to an old episode
and figure it out.

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
We don't want to sell that one as much as the other
ones okay, yeah because I thinkwe're gonna get rid of that one
yeah, so first of all, we'd liketo thank our fans.
We love you and appreciate youfor sticking with us, with us,

(02:02:40):
throughout the god damn it uh-oh, he's sore my turn hey disc
golf world.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
this is ryan scaife from the tanzania disc golf
federation and you are listeningto the International Pod.
Let's start over Dang it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
I knew what I wanted to say.
This one is a thank you Is thisone.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
Thank you.
This one is please listen.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
I do want to say, though I think it's discraft
Don't send a roach disc with aroach smoking a roach to a
school that was a poorachsmoking a roach to a school that
was a poor choice on on yourbehalf by the way, oops, yeah,
yeah, yeah, maybe that wasn'tyou know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
I mean, we all love to have fun, but maybe that's
something that should be thoughtabout yeah, the principal at
the time made sure that he gotthose discs and he kept them.
Yes, yes, I mean, there's 22years of why I know what I'm
doing in africa and you knowthat's not to mess up.
So we the what that you know.

(02:03:46):
Hey, disc golf world.
This is ryan scape from thetanzania disc golf federation.
Please get on your ears andturn on to the International
Disc Golfer Podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:03:59):
Intentional Disc Golfer.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Yeah, I know I've got international on the mind.

Speaker 3 (02:04:06):
Well, it's hard not to.

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
Oh, I had it, though.
Here we go.
This is a Please Listen Okay.

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