Embracing the Disc Golf Athlete: A Conversation with Seth Munsey

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All right, jenny, you have someimportant events coming up.
We are in the off season, butimportant stuff is still
happening.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
So we have published the tentative Evergreen Women's
Series Big news.
This year it is presented byMVP Disc Sports, so MVP is the
overall sponsor for theEvergreen Women's Series this
year.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
And would it be correct to say that this is the
first time that the EvergreenWomen's Series has had a big
sponsor for the whole series?
Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, yes, and a lot of things are in the works.
We are working on streamlininga lot of things, making it
consistent through each of thedifferent activities.
What are they called?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Why am I blinking?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yes, so trying to make it consistent through the
different tournaments, and thisyear we will also be over in
Eastern Washington.
We will have our first event inEastern Washington, so it's
looking like February is goingto be at Kayak Point, march at
Tall Furs, april at FortStelecum.

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May is the Women's Global Event, which happens every two years.
That's going to be at NAD.
I will be hosting SheltonSprings Sirens of the Springs
it's already up on Disc GolfScene at the lovely Shelton
Springs where the Silver Serieswas.
That reminds me of a tonguetwister from childhood.
Ladies of the Lakes going to bein July at Lakewood.

(04:11):
Evergreen Fling in August atthe Evergreen College.
And then our new event will beover at Columbia Park in
Kennewick in September with ourQueens of the Jungle Finale at
Fairgrounds in October.
Kitsap Fairgrounds.
Kids at Fairgrounds Yes, Kitsap Fairgrounds.
So very excited for the 2024season of the Evergreen Women's

(04:31):
Series.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, and I can't blow it up enough.
Please come out to the Sirensof the Springs at Shelton
Springs.
That is Jenny's tournament thatshe puts together every year
and it or not every year.
She started last year butthat's Jenny's tournament that
she's putting together and let'sblow it up and get a bunch of
people there and make it totallyawesome, as well as the rest of
the Women's Series.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, if you have any ideas of what you think would
be a fun mermaid game during aDisc Golf Tournament, let me
know, because I'm looking forsome ideas for some mermaid
games.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Or if you want to donate something for, like, the
raffles, or for the prizes oranything.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Oh man, the raffles are going to be legit this year.
Mvp has donated a lot of stuffto all of the events, so there's
going to be, I think, baskets,discs, all sorts of other things
are going to be given away thisyear.
Thank you, mvp.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, and guys out there, come out there and
support your wives and yourgirlfriends and your significant
others, your daughters also wecan't say this enough that grow
women's Disc Golf.
It's a big deal and it's reallynice to see these ladies out
and having a good time.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, you didn't say it, but I mean this in the
non-rude as way possible.
Support your mom, like your mommight be out there disc golfing
.
Because Support your mom,that's what I said.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yes, that's not a mom joke, no, no.
This sport is for everyone.
It is not just for the youngins.
There's lots of older women outthere and I've seen a lot of
ladies out there recentlysupporting their men at their
tournaments, and I'd love to seeyou guys get out there for one
of the tournaments this year.
It's going to be a really goodyear, I think.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, the women's series is going to be off the
hook this year.
I'm excited for it.
That's how awesome it's goingto be.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
It doesn't take much to excite you when disc golf is
involved.
Also, talking about events,recently we had Paul Gowder from
powwowscom over at Chief KitsipAcademy and he started
powwowscom years ago and he wasone of the main sponsors for the
Paul McBeth Foundation with ourdisc golf course that is at

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Chief Kitsip Academy and he was.
It was lovely to have him andhis wife out playing some disc
golf.
My husband was able to takethem to do a round.
One of our teachers, baron OldCoyote, who's been on our
podcast.
He was able to go out there andplay around too and they have a
nice interview that's going tobe coming out.

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So check out powwowscom if youwant to hear that interview
about disc golf.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, and the other thing that was extra awesome
besides getting the ace, wasthat you guys were doing ocean
to table during that time too.
So not only did he get to goaround and play disc golf, but
got to participate a little bitin the ocean table and witness
that.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yep, it was my first year running ocean to table,
which is a project that ChiefKitsip and the Soquamish Tribe
proudly put on for theirstudents, where we get to go
fishing with our students, gothrough the process of
processing the fish down atSoquamish Seafoods and then we
smoke and hang the fish at oursmokehouse on campus and then go

(07:51):
down and work with some more ofthe community members and can
and store the fish.
So it's a huge, huge project.
Looking forward to watching itgrow more and more as the years
go on, but it was super excitingto have them there during that
time.
It was also exciting to hearthat my husband got an ace.

(08:12):
However, I told him I didn'tsee it, so it didn't count.
I did go back and see that itdid get caught on camera, so I
guess it did happen.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
And powwowscom.
They also are a sponsor on thePro Tour, aren't they?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Or what it was, leah Leah, I can't say her last name.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Neither can I, and I don't want to butcher it yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
But Leah, I guess she's a Navajo descendant player
on the Pro Tour, so that'sreally exciting.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
And I believe we met her at Shelton Springs.
I could be wrong, but I'mpretty sure we met her.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I think I have her signature on my disc.
I still can't findwho's-is-who's.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
But that's super cool to get to know those guys and
play with those guys andhopefully they'll come on the
show eventually and talk aboutpowwows.
That would be really cool tohave them.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, we're looking forward to having them on our
podcast soon as well.

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Thank you for listening to theIntentional Disculfur On this
episode.
We have an excellent, superspecial guest.
I am way excited for him, forus to have him on our podcast.
The whole premise of this andJenny, you said it kind of last
episode was making thetransition from a disc golf

(11:56):
player to a disc golf athleteand this man is on the forefront
of trying to change thatparadigm and that culture within
disc golf.
Sir, if you would mindintroducing yourself, yes, hello
everyone.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I am so excited to be here.
Thank you, brandon and Jenny,for having me.
My name is Seth Munsey.
I am the founder and owner ofDisc Golf Strong and I'm also
the director of health, safetyand sports performance for the
Disc Golf Pro Tour and I alsowork on the medical committee
for the PDGA chair of that andI'm just really excited to be
here and talk with all of youabout health and sports

(12:33):
performance and being an athleteand all the good things that
comes with.
You know our great sport ofdisc golf, so thank you again.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, super excited to have you on.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, thank you very much, Seth.
So I guess let's start right atthe beginning.
Here is how and when did youget into disc golf?
I mean, tell us a little bitabout yourself.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, when I think back towhen I first started throwing a
Frisbee, I wish that YouTube wasaround or the internet was
around at that time, so that Iwould have been exposed to disc
golf a lot earlier.
I'm 42 now.
I started throwing a Frisbeeprobably when I was eight years

(13:19):
old.
My uncle, I used to play withhim a lot, and then I grew up on
the beaches of SouthernCalifornia and my brother and I
my friends, we would throwFrisbees every single day,
outside the house, at the park,the beach.
We were playing object golf atthat time in the 90s, without
knowing what disc golf was, andI just fell in love with flying
discs and did it all the time.

(13:41):
And I still remember one year,someone telling me that there
was a sport called disc golf andthat it was about 40 minutes
north of us in a place calledHuntington Beach, california,
and I really didn't know muchabout it and I asked my parents
if they would take me up thereand they said, no, we can't take

(14:02):
you up there, that's too farright now for us to take you.
And so I never went up thereand I never got exposed to disc
golf in the 90s, and I really,you know, in Huntington Beach,
is famous for being PaulMcBeth's course, and I talked to
him about that and told himthat story and I remember
throwing a disc a golf disc inprobably like 95 with my brother

(14:26):
and it just faded so hard, itdumped so hard and I'm like what
is this?
I have no intention of everthrowing this thing ever again.
I can't catch this behind myback or underneath my leg as I'm
jumping through the air, so Ikept with Frisbee, played a
little bit of Ultimate Frisbeeat college later on and years
later.

(14:46):
But when I got to disc golf waswhen I moved from Southern
California to NorthernCalifornia and I owned a gym and
it was called Iron Republic andit was all about lifting and
being strong and functionalmovements and all the things
that are around this humanmovement, optimizing human

(15:06):
movement, and they had disc golfcourses up there, and so when
we moved up there I wanted tofind some things to do and so I
got on Facebook, typed in youknow different clubs, and it was
a disc golf club the MontereyStinging Jellies and I thought,
wow, you know, I rememberhearing about disc golf a long
time ago, and so this was at2011 2012.

(15:28):
So I went out to the disc golfcourse, met some people, started
throwing and just fell in loveright away and, you know, never
looked back and I was playingall the time out there on the
course and it's been something,you know, that has gone from
being just a passion of mine toa career of mine, and still a
passion of mine while it's acareer of mine, and I'm just

(15:49):
very fortunate to be here, yeah.
And I look back over my journey.
You know, when I was, when Igot out of high school, I joined
the military, joined the CoastGuard and I was up in San
Francisco and I lived up thereand looking back now, there was
disc golf courses around, likehere here where I was staying at
in in Northern California, andall those years I could have

(16:13):
been playing these awesomecourses.
And you know that that's,that's in the past.
I can't, can't dwell on that,but I would have had probably 25
, 30 years of playing disc golfright now under my belt.
But yeah, that's where that's.
That was my journey into discgolf and it's been a great one.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I have a.
I have a very similar story.
I grew up near I played discgolf with my dad or not disc
golf, frisbee with my dad and Iwas always near disc golf
courses and I had friends thatwould play disc golf and I did
everything I could to stay awayfrom it and we didn't get into
it until COVID and we have thefive kids between us.

(16:52):
So we needed something to doand just fell in love with it
and now it's kind of our, ourbig passion, our obsession, yeah
.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
So, seth, can you elaborate a little bit on your
time at Cal State, fullertonSumma?
Come loud, that's a pretty bigdeal.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, you know it's, it's.
It's funny that, like when Iwent to college, I had no idea
what to expect when I started,because when I was in high
school I was not a great student.
I barely passed high school.
I think I had the lowest GPAyou could get when you were to

(17:35):
get to graduate.
And so I went off to themilitary and they don't allow
you to just be 18.
They really teach you how toyou know, be reliable, be
responsible, a lot of thedifferent things that I wasn't a
bad kid.
I just didn't do a lot ofhomework and I didn't study and
didn't really enjoy school andreally didn't think that I I
didn't have a growth mindset.

(17:55):
I had a real fixed mindset atthat time in high school and so
the military kind of made megrow.
My, my job was search and rescueand law enforcement, and so I
had to be actively engaged andand push my boundaries on what I
could do and what I think, whatI thought I could do, and so
when I got out I went to thefire academy, thought I was

(18:16):
going to do that, didn't work onan ambulance for a couple years
doing 911 stuff, and then Iwent off to to uh Halsey,
florida, and said use the VA orthe GI bill, excuse me to, to do
that.
And so I fell in love withtraining.
I fell in love with trainingwhile I was working on the
ambulance.
I started exercising, trying tojust improve my life and my

(18:40):
health, and so I found somethingthat I could tap into, a
passion of mine.
And so when I went to college Ithought you know well, I was
not a good student.
I barely graduated high school.
I wonder how I'm going to do incollege.
And I had such an amazing time.
I had great professors.
My degree was kinesiology andCal State Fullerton is one of

(19:04):
the top kinesiology programs inthe United States.
So I was very fortunate to bein an environment of success and
higher learning and reallypushing the boundaries of
kinesiology and exercise scienceand health and nutrition and
all that.
And because it was captain ofmy passion, yeah, I graduated
top of my class, timmukumlaad,for like 400 students or

(19:27):
something, and it just reallykept pushing me forward and I,
you know, eventually took thatinto disc golf.
But at that time, while I was atCal State Fullerton, I happened
to.
I was attending a fitnessconference in Long Beach,
california, one time and I wentand I was waiting for the

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conference to start.
I got there the day early, andso I met up with a friend that I
met online, who was a strengthconditioning coach as well, and
so we met for a beer and I satdown at the.
We sat down at the bar and Ithere was this gentleman to my
right, my friend was to my leftand we were talking and I was

(20:09):
talking to him about you know,different programs I was doing
and he was doing the same and Imentioned that I was doing.
I went down to San Diego to dothis kettlebell program and be
like a they call them victimslike you could show up for a
free kettlebell lesson.
Yeah, it was a Russiankettlebell.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's strangely fitting.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, right, and so you could get a free lesson if
you show up on Sundays, becausethe people that were going
through the kettlebellcertification they were going to
coach you, and so they had topass.
There's one of the things thatpassed the certifications was
they had to coach fresh peoplethat were just showing up for a
lesson, and so I drove down toSan Diego to do this, and so I

(20:54):
was telling the my friend this,and the gentleman to my right
sitting there enjoying a beer hestopped me and said hey, are
you?
You went down to San Diego forthis kettlebell lesson.
I said yeah, it was a greattime.
He said I got certified at thatkettlebell course and I thought
, wow, that's, that's great.
Yeah, I had a great time.

(21:15):
How'd you enjoy it?
You know, we got to talking andhe said he said my name's Sean
Skane and I'm the strength coachfor Anaheim Ducks, and I was
like, wow, coach Skane, it was apleasure to meet you.
I've listened to your podcastsand everything, and that kind of
turned into that day.

(21:36):
He offered me a position towork at the Anaheim Ducks with
him as an intern assistantstrength coach, and so that was
a really big turning point in mycareer to where I went for a
beer with a friend and ended upas an intern assistant strength
coach with the Anaheim Ducks andI got to learn a whole lot
there during my time and learnedwhat it took to train and work

(22:01):
with the elite athletes and kindof a lot of misconceptions
around training athletes at thehighest level that some might
think and there's really shapedwhat I did in disc, what I do in
disc golf with my, with myathletes now, and so I really
value that experience.
And yeah, there's a whole lot Icould say about, you know, cal

(22:24):
State Fullerton and thekinesiology program and you know
, and everything I learned there.
But I'll, you know I'll wrap itup there for Cal State
Fullerton.
But I left there.
I had a job opportunity to staywith the Ducks and decided that
I didn't really want to travelthat much for work and be gone

(22:46):
that often because Sean, whoended up moving off to the
Minnesota Wild as the strengthcoach there, he was gone all the
time he was gone, you know,missed a lot of anniversaries
and birthday parties for hiskids and all that.
So I thought you know, I'm notgoing to, I'm not going to
continue that route and sodeclined his offer to stay and

(23:08):
went and opened up my own gyminstead.
I earned a public for thosefour years before I moved into
Disc Golf Strong, and it's kindof ironic that my job now with
the Disc Golf Tour has me on theroad for nine months of my life
working in professional sportsbut, um, but yeah, that's kind
of a little snapshot of myjourney up to starting Disc Golf

(23:30):
Strong.
And then I started Disc GolfStrong in 2016.
I officially I kind of startedworking on it in 2015, started
it very beginning of 2016.
And it just, you know, therewas no one really talking about
this topics, about performanceand being an athlete or anything

(23:50):
at that time.
And you know, I felt like, withmy background and my love for
Disc Golf and seeing my fellowDisc Golfers out in the course
not performing the way theywanted to during their rounds
and and having injuries andchallenges that they were facing
, I thought, you know, hey, I'vegot a background in rotational
sports and in strengthconditioning.

(24:11):
I was what I do for work.
This is my passion.
Disc Golf is my passion.
Let me start putting contentout there.
And so I started doing that andstarted, you know, traveling
around for Disc Golf and in 20,I started partnering with the
Pro Tour early on.
And then in 2021, um, theyasked me to if I would just come

(24:32):
on and work full time for thetour.
And so I've been working fulltime for them since 2021 up
until present.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
That's a very impressive.
That's quite the journey thatis quite the journey.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, it's, it feels it's.
It's interesting because youknow we, you know I'm four, I'm
still young, I'm 42 and I spendmost of my time around 18, 19,
20 year olds and you knowthey're like, they're like, uh,
you know they're like, so whatwould you do before this?
And I, I just kind of give thema little snapshot and they're
like what?

(25:07):
And I'm like you, know you don'tyou know our journeys, we don't
it?
Just it feels it goes by quick.
You know it is.
It feels like it was justyesterday all of this, um, you
know, up to this point, but uh,but I'm, I'm very grateful for,
for the journey that I've had.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah.
So, uh, as a teacher myself, Iheard you talking about um
yourself as a student and thatyou didn't have the the.
You had the fixed mindset andnow you're more of a growth
mindset, and I know that when wespoke with Eric, he was uh
talking very highly about um,your ideas on mindset and how
that applies to the course.

(25:47):
Um, do you have any tips thatyou you know, things you'd like
to share with people aboutmindset out on the course?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, you know, and Eric's Eric's great.
I'm so glad you got to, youknow, spend some time talking to
Eric.
I've been working with Ericsince, probably 2017.
Um, him and Tina, when Tina wasworking, uh, full time as a
disc golf athlete, and so it'sbeen great to see his journey,
uh, as as well as other athletesjourney through not only their

(26:17):
physical performance, um, buttheir mental performance and as
well, and so there's so much to,you know, tap into on on mental
skills and and all that.
But the first thing I would sayis, uh, for everyone is, I
identify as an athlete and Iknow, you know, janet, we kind
of talked a little bit aboutthat, about, like you know,

(26:38):
being an athlete and being adisc golf athlete, and that was
the first thing.
My very first video, I'm prettysure, uh, that I put out, um in
16, 2016, was I said, hey, discgolf athletes.
Uh, because I wanted to make itclear right away, uh, from the
start, that we are athletes,whether we're pro, whether we're

(26:58):
amateur, we're athletes.
We're doing an athleticmovement, even if we don't think
we are.
The demands on our body, um,are our high stress, high
tension.
There's there's so many demandsthat we could talk about.
But but you know, really, tosum it up, we're an athlete and
so if we think of this as ahobby, we're going to treat it

(27:20):
like a hobby, and not thatthat's bad, but that can
increase our risk of uh injuriesand and not performing at our
best and not, uh, mentallyperforming at our best.
But if we think of ourselves asan athlete, prepping ourselves
makes sense, training makessense.
Thinking about your mental,improving your mental game makes

(27:41):
sense.
Uh, you know, because that'swhat athletes do.
So that's the first thing isreally identifying, identifying
as an athlete.
Um, no matter, no matter howlong you've been playing, no
matter what your rating is, oreven if you have a rating, uh,
you're still an athlete.
Um, and then, on the mental side, there's mental, you know.

(28:01):
There's mental health, mentalskills, mental performance, you
know.
And, and the first thing I sayis I'm a huge believer in mental
health Uh, you gotta, you gotta, work on your mental health,
because I've I've worked withpeople that were mental.
They were trying to work ontheir mental skills and, you
know, their mental skills gotbetter.

(28:21):
They were able to easily oreasily tap into mental skills
training when they worked ontheir mental health as far as
like meditation and you knowgetting enough sleep and you
know having a growth mindset,because you know mental skills
training and mental performanceon the course, it's not easily

(28:41):
as easily accessible, uh, andcan feel not attainable when you
have poor sleep, you know, andyour uh brain is just thinking
about all these different thingsthat are going on in your life
and you're really stressed out.
And so people are like, why ismy breathing drill on the course

(29:02):
not working?
Well, it's like, well, you're,you know you're so tense and
everything, because you've got alot of good stuff going on in
your life that you're, you knowyou need, you need to kind of
put some focus into.
So, first is focus on yourmental health meditation,
mindfulness, read, you know,work on a growth mindset, all
those things for mental healthside, uh, and then mental skills

(29:24):
training.
There's a lot that can be saidabout mental skills training, um
, and you know, depends on howdeep you want to go into it, um,
but I'll say I'll say, uh, twothings.
I'll just cover two things onmental skills training.
First, before I say those twothings, I'll say there's a lot
of great books out there.
Um, there's so many good booksand I've read a lot of them.

(29:49):
I've done a lot of differentmental skills stuff.
Um, I was not a professionalathlete but I was a professional
under pressure when I was onthe ambulance and in the
military doing, doing my jobthere.
So I had to be able to show up,do my job under pressure when
it counted and and uh, and thenrecover from that afterwards and

(30:11):
to be able to do it again.
And so I lean heavily into my,my mental training from the
military and the ambulance, intohow I coach my athletes through
mental skills and performancetraining.
And so the first thing I'll sayis, with the books is I talked

(30:32):
to a lot of people who say, oh,I've read this book, I've read
that book and I'm not, I haven'tseen any benefits from it and I
love, like I said, I love books.
But I'll ask them say, what areonce one to two things you got
from that book that you areactively, uh, you know, doing in

(30:53):
your routine off the course, onthe course, what are you
implementing?
And a lot of times theresponses you know it was a
really great book.
I said I agree, you know that'swhat that is, I'm sure.
No doubt that's a great book,but you got to take away some
things and actively work on it.
So we work on our putting, wework on our driving, we work on

(31:18):
backhand form and forehand formand all that Mental skills is
something we need to work on,just like we work on putting,
just like we work on all thoseother skills.
It needs to be addressed offthe course so that it can be put
into practice and used on thecourse when it counts.

(31:40):
So, um, one thing that we thinkabout is, um, not trying to
control the, the uncontrollables.
I talked about with Eric aboutthis.
I talked with all my athletesabout this.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, he spoke about that on podcast.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, great Cause you, if you, if you
try to control theuncontrollables, it's never
going to go the way you want itto go.
Um, because we just can't, wecan't, we can only control what
we, what we can do.
Right now, my uh sportspsychology professor in college,
dr Kenra Vizza the late DrKenra Vizza, he was amazing.

(32:18):
He was one of the foremostexperts in the world on in in
sports psychology and, uh, I wasvery fortunate to to be around
him and take his class, whichone was one of the most
stressful classes I've evertaken, uh, which was funny
because we would.
We would open up withmeditation and close with
meditation every day, but he wasso old school he wouldn't use a

(32:40):
book, he just talked.
He didn't even use slides, andthen his graduate assistants
would give us the test based onwhatever they think they had
written down.
And so we would be we would haveto take these tests and I mean,
we'd be so stressed out.
You try to use these mentalskills techniques while we're
trying to take a test in mentalskills and performance class,

(33:03):
sports psychology class, andwe're like, did he even talk
about this?
And you know, it's like, youknow it's like maybe the
graduate assistant just decidedto put this question in there,
you know.
But anyways, dr Kenra Vizza, heworked with blue angels pilots.
He worked with uh neurosurgeons.
He worked with professionalathletes all over.
He worked with all sorts ofhigh level performers and he

(33:24):
worked with the blue.
He worked with the angelsbaseball, which was down there
nearest, and he would tell us,uh, that, uh, during spring
training, he'd be working withpitchers and the pitcher.
He would see that the pitcheron the mound would be getting
frustrated, they'd be out of thestrike zone and you know, um,
it was just building up.
So what he would do is he wouldwalk out with a ball and he,

(33:47):
the pitcher, would already haveone ball in his hand and he'd
hand them the second ball andsay, okay, the rest of the time
today, I want you to throw bothof these balls at the same time.
And it'd say what, coach?
How am I supposed to, how am Isupposed to be successful,
throwing two balls at the sametime?
And he said well, you'realready throwing two balls at

(34:09):
the same time.
You're throwing one mentallythat you just threw and you're
trying to throw this one that'sin your hand.
You can't control what happenedbefore.
You can't control what yournext pitch will be.
You can only control what'sgoing to happen with the ball in
your hand and you can't evencontrol it once it releases.
All you can control is what youcan control.
So if you're going to try tothrow two balls mentally, you

(34:33):
might as well throw two ballsphysically, like at the same
time.
Right, we can't control that.
When I was in, when I was doingsearch and rescue, like I, there
was a lot of things that Icouldn't control.
If someone was injured and Ishowed up on that ambulance, all
I could control was what I wasdoing in the moment.
I couldn't control what wasgoing to happen to that person

(34:53):
or anything.
And the same thing on the disc.
Golf course, once that discreleases out of your hand, if
the wind takes it and it hits atree and it rolls, ob, there's
nothing you can do about that,like, you know, like, does it
suck?
Yes, it sucks, but there'snothing that you can do to

(35:15):
control it back in bounds.
So you just have to walk up,say I'm a professional or I'm an
amateur and I'm ready to go andyou know, this isn't just for
professionals but I'm, I'm readyto go, and all I can do now is
throw my next shot.
I can't throw two discs at thesame time the one that I, the

(35:36):
one that hit the tree and rantrolled OB, and the one I'm about
to throw right, or I'm goingfor the winning putt or the
winning drive, or I, you know,I'm two strokes back and I could
.
You know, if I birdie this, Icould win.
Whatever, you can't controlwhat's going to happen next, and
that's what a lot of peoplelose things is, they're trying

(35:57):
to think about already like, ohman, if I do this and this, I
might win.
Or if this and this happens,you can only control the disc in
your hand, right.
And so that's the.
That's the first thing.
Another one is you know, eventplus response equals outcome.
E plus R equals O.
There's an event.

(36:18):
We get to choose how we respondto that event, and that equals
the outcome.
E plus R equals O.
So that's kind of what thecontrol, the uncontrollable is.
If, if I, if I, you know thatthis comes out of my hand it
hits a tree, wind blows it, youknow, whatever I have to choose

(36:41):
the response in the moment.
If I walk up and I'm frustratedand all that, their chances of
success are lower.
Could, could success happenwith me all fired up because of
what happened?
Yeah, sure, like there is achance, but there's a better
chance of having a more positiveoutcome.

(37:02):
I can't guarantee the outcome,but there's a better chance of
that outcome If I walk up and myresponse is I'm throwing what
I'm throwing right.
And when we think about like,like, people will say set, but
you know like I'm like why?
Why can't I get fired up?
Fire can cook your food or itcan burn your house down right

(37:26):
I've seen players where rightI've seen players where it's
like.
I've seen players on tour wherefire cooks their food.
You know they get like two, twobogeys in a row and they get
fired up.
You're like, oh gosh, they'reabout to be the next date.
Like you're just because it'snot that they're, they're not
kicking their bag, they'rechanneling it to like okay, I'm

(37:47):
locking in, like I'm fired upwith what's happening.
So I'm locking in and I'm, youknow, going to focus on what you
know, keep my focus forward andall that.
Or there's people that theyburn their house down.
You know they're, they'refrustrated, they're kicking
their bag, or throwing whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Jenny is looking at me.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
You got a chance I'm guilty of this All right, and
you know what?
I tell people that they're like, they're like I, but I just
can't get over it.
And so I say don't get over it,just give yourself permission
to not getting over it.

(38:25):
After the last putt, like giveyourself permission.
There Say I'm going to be soupset about this, like I am so
mad that the wind did this orI'm so mad that the OB line did
that, and after this round isover, I'm going to do something
very mad wise.

(38:45):
Right, I'm going to, I'm goingto kick something or I'm going
to, you know, punch my fist intomy other hand or whatever.
I'm going to give myselfpermission to release all that
afterwards, and then it's notlike you have to just let it go.
If you're like that's not, it'sjust not me, it's not me.
It's not who I am.
I get fired up.
Okay, get fired Like.

(39:06):
Cook your food now, burn yourhouse down.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Is that kind of like a you know I'll forgive myself,
but I'm not going to forget.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, there you go, like right, that's and that's
fine, right, and so, like youhave to, and if you look at
other sports, like they have to,like you know you can have
baseball pitchers and orbaseball players, and they're,
you know, it's the world seriesand they're one, one strike away
from winning.
And you look at them andthey're not high five in each

(39:35):
other, yet they're just, they'relike, they're like we have to
wait, like we're just here, likeyou know you got to wait until
the, until it's all over, andthen, and then you know, burn
your house down, or you know, orget all ecstatic and jump
around and high five people, youknow like, try to channel the
energy that you need for, forwhat you need, and then

(39:58):
afterwards, you know, let it allout later.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Well, I think that's one of the attractive points of
disc golf or golf type sports isthat it is kind of this perfect
mesh of both the mental and thephysical.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
And.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I was going.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I was going to say one of the selling points for
chief kids app getting the discgolf course was.
I was explaining that you knowwe have some kids with
behavioral issues and so what Ican do is I can take one of
those kids out there and be like, hey, you want to go through a
couple of holes, and it'susually by the time we just
finish the first one thatthey're starting to regulate and

(40:37):
things like that, or just goingfor a walk through the course
and so it it's it really does.
part of it, I think, is thehealing energies of being
outside, in nature too.
So I think that contributes toour mental health out there on
the course too.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Oh, so I really appreciate that you call them
mental skills, because thatreally shifts kind of my
thinking into.
You know, this is a skill, justlike throwing the disc or
putting that you have to develop, you have to practice it.
And you're absolutely right,when you're out there in it,
it's if you don't rehearse thesethings in your mind you cannot

(41:18):
draw up.
You know, draw up thoseinspirations and those feelings
when you're, you know, in itsometimes, especially if you're
having a tough round, I rememberwhen I was playing hockey, I
used to visualize, you know, thedifferent saves and different
things that I'd make all thetime.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know the more that you cando that and tap into that before
, the better you're going to beable to access it.
You know when you need it Inall levels, like going back to,
like the Coast Guard or theambulance, like we, we would

(41:59):
practice things ahead of time,we would drill things, we would
go through things so that wecould stay focused and stay in
the moment and and you know, becomfortable being uncomfortable.
You know when we needed to.
If we didn't do that, we wouldbe in a much worse position when

(42:21):
you know when those tones gooff and we got to show up and
make things happen.
But it's so if, if mentallywe're not preparing ourselves
for the level of stress thatwe're going to get on the course
, you know it can really set usback in certain ways.
And really one challenge thatwe have about disc golf is that
there's not really any adversityin disc golf until the, you

(42:47):
know, until you tee off on one.
You know off or a turn of theground Like there's not much
adversity, right, like in highschool.
Well, let's get.
I was going to say baseball,let's go, let's go hockey.
Right, you played hockey sorandom Tuesday night practice.
If you're just out there, justyou know kicking around, not

(43:10):
putting any effort in, you knownot really making sure that you
want to make the plays, whathappens, like is the coach like
oh, brandon, like great jobtoday, just kind of you know
skating around and you knowmaking snow angels, you know, or
ice angels, like what was goingto happen to you.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I'm probably going to get a puck fired at my head.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
You are wake up.
Yeah, coach is going to be likeBrandon on the bench.
This guy wants it more Right,like, so there's adversity.
You've got to show up andyou've got to perform on a
random Tuesday night practice,right when in disc golf we don't
have any of that adversity, youknow not.

(43:53):
People can have stress that ohgosh, there's a tournament
coming up, but actual tournamentplay we don't.
I had a athlete one time on tourand a couple years ago, and
he's like Ah Seth, you know,like I, just I'm so frustrated
because I have really goodpractice rounds and they feel
just, I feel so on duringpractice.

(44:15):
I feel so good and loose duringpractice, but I just can't
translate it into my tournamentrounds.
What do you think is theproblem?
And I told him.
I said you know, I've watchedyou practice and and the thing
I'll say is this your practicerounds are usually you and six
other dudes out there, laughing,making jokes, having fun,

(44:38):
talking about what's going on,about floating down the river.
On Monday, you know, you'rethrowing five discs on a
February T pad, even thoughthree of those are discs you
never would even think to throwon that hole.
You're just, you know, puttingreps in for reps sake, you're
not paying attention, you're notbeing intentional, You're not
staying focused, and then it'sall carefree.

(45:01):
You know, on Thursday andFriday, when you know the money
in the contracts and you knoweverything's on the line, now
it's like oh gosh, this is adifferent game from yesterday.
It was throwing discs, friends,today is throwing discs for for
my livelihood, and so that's atotal different stress all

(45:22):
together.
And so now you can't just 100%replicate that, but there are
ways to replicate that.
But really the first thing isbeing very intentional about
your practice rounds, being veryintentional about your skill.
Like you, look at Ricky, I usedto tell people now now I can
list a whole lot more names, butback in like 2016, if I don't

(45:44):
say any names doesn't mean thatthey're not great golfers or
anything, but I would tellpeople, you know, everyone wants
to do what Paul Ricky Neagle do, but very few people want to do
what Paul Ricky Neagle do, youknow that's a very, very, very
good.
They want to.
They want to, they want to holdthe trophy over their head, you
know, but they don't want toshow up on Thursday and

(46:05):
Wednesday and Thursday and playpractice rounds by themselves
with one other person, takenotes in a notebook, you know.
You know work on meditation andbreath, work and make sure
they're getting enough sleep,and you know so.
There's a lot of adversity onthe course for everyone, and
even as AMs, you know, we wantto perform well, but we don't

(46:27):
have that adversity during ourpractice rounds and that we do
during the tournament rounds,and we wonder why, you know, we
get frustrated and whyeverything was about great
yesterday and not great today.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
You ever tried golfing with five kids?
Yeah, that's adversity.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, we uh that's partially why we we named our
podcast the intentional discgolfer is we were trying to come
up with you know what?
What do we need to do to reallytake this game to the next
level?
And I think that you said itvery well, talking about going
out and doing what Eagle andRicky and Paul do on a regular

(47:07):
basis, and so that's.
We're kind of going throughthose steps, making those
changes ourselves and sharingthat with our listeners too.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
So, um, before we get too far detached, uh, I know
it's like half hour later, butI've been wanting to say, uh,
thank you for your service, sir.
It's guys like you out theredoing what you do that make it
possible for us to do what we do, and that is not going

(47:39):
unnoticed, at least not here,and to all of our service
members and veterans out there,thank you.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Well, I appreciate that.
Thank you very much.
It was, it was definitely, itwas an honor.
I'll pledge her for fouramazing years in my life that
you know I always look backfondly on and that you know it
has been over 20 years.
Uh, I would have been retiredby now, um, from the military if
I would have stayed in.
But, um, the people that Iworked with, uh, they, you know,

(48:07):
some of my closest friends,brothers and sisters, for life,
and I just, I appreciate that.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Absolutely.
So you kind of got into talkingabout having the uh, getting
the mental game all set up forsuccess.
Uh, you talked a little bitabout getting your environmental
conditions set up for success.
So, setting up your environment.
How do I go about doing that?
Where do I start?
Can you point us in the rightdirection?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, absolutely, setting your environment up for
success is so critical.
If you want to achieve Mostthings that we want to achieve
in life, we got to have, youknow, an environment that that
allows us to thrive, theconditions that that allow us to
keep moving forward.
And setting your environmentfor success is, like it's one of

(49:02):
the first things I talk aboutwith people that want to make
any any sort of change.
You know, usually, usuallypositive I don't really have
anyone wanting to do a negativechange, but a positive change in
their life.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Like you need to come down a peg or two here like
come on.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
You get realistic.
The thing is like I'll say this, like there's gonna be so much
to say, that first thing I'llsay is like I love ice cream, my
, my, I have great fond memoriesof my grandmother.
She would always make hischocolate shakes and we, you

(49:43):
know, lie on the couch, my headon her on her lap, runner
fingers through my hair as I'mdrinking a chocolate shake.
My uncle would always say icecream is the cure for everything
.
I love ice cream.
If I have a pint of ice cream,if I have a gallon of ice cream
in the house, I'm gonna eat itevery night.
If I don't, there's a muchgreater chance that I don't eat

(50:04):
it every night.
I'm setting myself up forsuccess.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
All right, what's your go to?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
sitting my environment up, oh God.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I love chocolate chip cookie dough, you know.
But the thing is there's a lotmore places now that you're like
, no, this is vanilla, with likethree or four pieces of cookie
dough in there.
So you know, my oldest daughter, she that was her go to, but
she found the same thing thatyou know.
There's only a few places thatreally actually have the cookie

(50:31):
dough in there, but chocolate,peanut butter, mint, shit.
I mean there's so many I thinkI'm gonna reward myself with ice
cream after this podcast.
No, but you gotta set yourenvironment up for success.
You got it.
You know, most of the time, thethings that keep us from our

(50:52):
goals is Not that we don't wantto reach our goals, that we
don't think that we're gonnafind value out of out of
Attaining them or moving closerto them, it's that there's
there's a little roadblock inbetween.
You know what we, where we areat, and what we, where we want

(51:13):
to be.
And so Removing that roadblockand realizing that it's not a
roadblock, it's probably just aspeed bump, and that we can get
over speed bumps, and Settingyour environment for success is
just a speed bump.
If I am working with someoneand they're like you know, I I'm
just having a really hard timedoing any sort of physical

(51:35):
movement.
And I talked to them andthey're like you know, I've got
no space to train in my house.
Like, well, let's, how aboutyou?
you know, just clear out alittle area and he designate,
like that's where I do my planksand my you know dead bugs and
my thigh planks and stuff, right.
Like you know that, I'm gonnakeep a Resistance band by my bed

(51:59):
and when I wake up in themorning I'm gonna do some
shoulder exercises real quickbefore I brush my teeth or after
brush my teeth.
Like there's, there's alldifferent ways that you can
think about setting yourenvironment up for success, both
physically, nutritionally.
Like if I want to read a bookon, you know to say, mental
skills and the performance,mental health, whatever having

(52:22):
it by my bed is going to be mucheasier for me to do than if
that book is out in my garage,and so I Need to think about how
can I and everyone else islistening is think about what
are little things that you cando To set your environment up,
because you're gonna find itmuch more easily Accessible and

(52:46):
attainable If you do that so, ina nutshell, it's it's Make it,
make success easier and moreaccessible and make the failures
or the the obstacles moredifficult.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yep, yep, absolutely.
Remove the room.
Remove as much Static andinterference between you and
where you in what you want to do.
Um, remove as much as you can,you know, and you're gonna find
it easier, an easier path.
Not an easy path, but an easierpath.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Well, somebody really wise once said to me once that
there's a difference betweeneasy and simple.
Setting up your environmentmight be, you know, simple to do
and put the resistance bandnext to the bed or, like Jenny,
keeps a little peddler thingunderneath her desk at school so
she can stand there and workout at school.
But doing that is notnecessarily always easy.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Yeah, I can tell you that I have not used the pedal
thing at my desk at all thisyear.
However, we do have a largecampus, so I'm always out
walking and making sure that Iget my steps in.
But yeah it's there, yeah, butI Haven't used it.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, well, there you go.
You're getting the walking in,that's good.
But like so how do we, you know, when we have something and
we're just not using it, go what?
What is my Relationship withhow I think about I'm supposed
to use that, right?
So One thing we talked abouthere just go strong is a concept

(54:35):
of good better best.
You know, one minute is betterthan zero minutes.
You know it all adds up.
Consistency is the magic pillyou must swallow.
So many phrases I can startspreading out, but that that's
it.
Like you know, a lot of peoplethat would work with say that
we're former you know High-levelathletes.
They'd be like oh man, you know,I staff, I want to, I want to

(54:58):
make improvements in my life andI want to start working out.
But you know it's finding itreally hard to To train for an
hour like I used to, back inhigh school or college, you know
, and back to deadlifts andOlympic lifts, all the different
cleans and jerks and this andthat, and I'm like Can you put

(55:18):
on your shoes and go for afive-minute walk with your
family or something?
You know like, yeah, I can dothat.
I'm like that's a great start.
Hey, it counts, it adds up.
You know, can I put the, usethe peddler for a minute?
And you know when a minute iseasy, then it's like well, I've
already been doing this for aminute like.
I told an athlete this the otherday while talking about

(55:40):
off-season training stuff, and Itold him I said Give yourself,
if you, if you commit to fiveminutes of this, one thing we
were talking about five minutesand if you get five minutes,
check done, right, but you mostyou might find that you get five

(56:00):
minutes.
You know like, and I'm reallyenjoying this right now and so
you keep going, but if not infive minutes, is it, you know?
Good, that's good, it's not,there's no, there's no bad,
there's no wrong.
It all adds up, and so justlittle bits at a time.
Bite-size is a way to success,is, you know, a Great way to

(56:21):
think about it?
Because a lot of people likesay that want to get better for
disc golf or for there's youknow, with their performance or
their skills or anything like,hey, it all, it's all good.
Any progress is progress, andso if you can do a minute of
something, that is that's good.

(56:41):
Because when we talk aboutmotivation, action precedes
motivation.
Right, like, everyone's waitingto Be motivated to do something
.
But if we think that we getmotivation, is Is built by
seeing the results of action,even if it's a small action, and
we go, that's so good to dothat for just a few minutes.

(57:03):
I think I'll do that again thenext time tomorrow.
But if I don't, I don't, I haveno judgment.
I tell my athletes like there'sno judgment.
If they come in and like, seth,I'm a workout for like a week,
I'm like, hey, that's okay, youprobably had other pressing
things, let's get back to itthis week.
How can we help do that, youknow?
And so if we start judgingourselves like I man, I wanted

(57:26):
to do it for many each day and Ijust didn't, you know that can
that can be a roadblock versusif we think about just things as
speed bumps, like I saidearlier, speed bumps we can get
over, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I'm glad you touched on the motivation, because
that's actually what I was gonnaask you next.
Now, I did want to make aanecdote, though, is that I was
listening to Joe Rogan talkingto an MMA fighter, and he said
the secret to training is Notgoing in and killing yourself
three days a week, and in doingthat you know three sets of ten,

(58:00):
and that thing.
The trick to training is do alittle bit every day and then by
the end of the week, thatperson that's not sore and not
killing themselves every day isgoing to have more volume and
more training reps, or whateverit is.
Then the person that's justdoing the heavy lifting three
times a day, Absolutely,absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Friend, a mentor of mine.
He's a World-class strength andconditioning coach.
He's been doing it for like 40years now and he's worked with
high-level Olympians and NFL andall these other sports.
But he's worked with a lot inthe special operations field and

(58:46):
so he jokes about it all thetime.
How you know, he's like youknow, everyone thinks about Navy
SEALs and Delta Force trainingin this net he goes.
So you know you got people thatthink that they need to train
like a Navy SEAL Just to go outand get the mail.
You know, without pain, andit's like you know.

(59:06):
One, you don't need to trainlike that.
And two, like he trains specialforces, like he trains
operators, if, if they train theway that people think that they
train now, where there's somepeople that just go hard, yes,
but in general they're movingaway from that.
They train hard but they trainsmart and there's times when you

(59:28):
can train like you know, if, if, if you get the call that you
got to be out in 24 hours, yougot to be in another country,
you're like, yeah, but I justdid legs yesterday and my knees
are so sore or I don't thinkI'll be able to get out of the
helicopter.
It's like no, you got to beprepared to go, like you know,
and I I happen I had the greathonor of Working with, I went to

(59:54):
and I got my Years agowilderness first responder
certification.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
So that's awesome, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, I loved it and it totally different from my
time on the ambulance.
And you know, and you're lanceslike are you going to the
hospital?
Yes, lo go.
You know, wilderness firstresponder.
Wilderness first responder islike okay, well, we're like
three days hike out of here, oryou know they won't be out here
for another like eight hours.

(01:00:22):
You know, should we call in ahelicopter or you just, you know
, kind of having some stress?
So that it was great and I gotpartnered up with this gentleman
who Found out who's a Navy SEALand I thought, you know that's
great, like we connected Justfrom military stuff and he

(01:00:44):
didn't really say what he did inNavy SEALs.
But you know he was doing somesome executive program coaching
and stuff and outdoor retreat.
So I looked up his name just tokind of learn more about it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Can I take a guess at this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
David Goggins.
Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
David Goggins.
It was actually like theopposite of David Goggins and
because this Navy SEAL turnedout to be, he was the former
commander of SEAL team six.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yes, and he also developed and ran the
presidential protection programfor the president of Iraq Back
when they first, you know, wheneverything kind of changed in
Iraq and so I talked to him.
I was talking to him about justdifferent concepts.
And we start talking aboutbreathing and stuff and he's

(01:01:39):
like, oh, that's, that's likeone of the most important things
I do as a SEAL.
Like I breathe, you know, focuson, you know staying relaxed
and breathing.
And this now because you know,when he's out there under
perform, you know, underpressure it's not that he just
did, you know, pr on his, youknow, hang clean, that's gonna

(01:01:59):
make him the best Performer.
It's gonna be that he couldstay under control and he was
strong enough and then he couldtap into, you know, using that
strength the way he needed touse that strength.
And so breath, work and stuff.
Everyone thinks that you got totrain crazy.
When I, when I worked with the,when I first went to train with

(01:02:22):
the NIMDUX, I thought, man,these are elite athletes, I'm
gonna see the craziest stuff,I'm gonna see all this
complexity and everything.
And they were we.
I walk in First.
It was like my coach didn'teven introduce me to everyone.
He's just like all right Team'sabout to come in, work out on
the board.
Coach, I'm like like TamewSolani, you know, like Cory,

(01:02:49):
cory Perry, like Everyone justwalks in.
I'm like, oh hello, everyoneI'm coached at.
You know, right here I am, andso that was very stressful for
me, but you know, that'sprobably what he wanted.
But what was on the board waslike glue bridges, side planks,

(01:03:09):
half kneeling Kettlebell press,not PR, just half kneeling
Kettlebell press, and Turkishget ups, things like.
And I was like what?
Like why are we not doing thestuff that I see on Instagram
and there's?
And he said, you know to me,when we were just talking about

(01:03:30):
training and stuff, you talkabout risk versus reward.
You know the show is not.
The show is not in the weightroom, the shows on the ice,
right, and so he had to be veryit filter everything down and To
what was gonna make the mostsense and what was gonna be the
most intentional for thoseathletes and help them Be the

(01:03:54):
best athlete they can be, not belike the coolest looking
athlete on Instagram, and sothat you'll see that in a lot of
my programming and stuff.
You know, I don't, I'm workingwith these players that are
going for whatever contract sizethere you know that that might
be, you know, push across thetable to them and if I'm Sitting

(01:04:14):
there and I'm doing some crazycomplex exercise that you know
they should have no businessdoing, that they didn't earn
through prior training, then Iblow out their knee.
And, you know, doing a crazysingle-leg box jump onto a bogey
ball or something like that'sjust not beneficial, like you

(01:04:35):
know, and so I Kind of know howI got off on this tangent down
this road but we're here.
You know, like it's it's, it'show you train should be very
intentional and it should be.
You know risk versus reward anddo the foundational stuff.

(01:04:56):
So yes, let's.
Where should we go from here?

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
well, and I like what you said and I heard it on
another interview that you didEarlier when we were doing our
show research is that you haveto earn the right to have
certain exercises in yourrepertoire.
So maybe let's start from thetop.
Let's talk about like how doyou, these elite athletes, and
even like amateur athletes, howdo you warm up for something

(01:05:24):
like this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, absolutely.
So first of touch on thisearned concept.
So the thing is my players oranyone, any athlete that I'm
working with whether they're pro, amateur or I just want to be
active in my life and play withmy kids like I.
They have to, and this is agood thing.

(01:05:47):
They have to earn complexity,they have to earn Intensity,
they have to earn load, theyhave to earn variety.
They have to earn all that andit's not like the military type
earn.
It's just like, you know, my,my child should learn how to
Walk before I just lift them upand say, now run.
You know, I don't just hold onto put them up their feet and be

(01:06:09):
like run.
No, they've got to go throughall the steps to get to running.
And the same thing is withtraining or whatever we're doing
we're trying to be successfulat.
If we earn it, we're going toFind so much more success and so
much less chance of Injury riskand results that we didn't want

(01:06:33):
Nonproductive results.
So I do that with all myathletes and everyone.
So you know there's a skill age, like a lot of people look at
professional athletes and like,say, professional disc golfers,
and they'll say you know, thatperson should train like an
alpha.
Someone said that one time to avideo that I had a showing.
I think it was Ricky doing somesort of exercise and Like

(01:06:57):
there's a skill age and thenthere's like a training slash,
experience age, right, and so ifyou are Performing really well
in the course but you've neverdone a deadlift or a hip hinge
movement or a squat or you don'tdo any core stuff, you
shouldn't just be going to themost, the most advanced things.
We should all start out withthe foundational stuff when it

(01:07:20):
comes to training for disc golfor for any sport.
But let's talk about disc golf,let's say folks on this, golf
is there's a lot of ways thatpeople want to improve on by
just their skill and skilldevelopment and and I, skill
development is important.
You know we should work on onskill and technique acquisition,

(01:07:44):
but that's like the top of thepyramid and that's where we
should eventually reach.
But a lot of us, we don't focuson the fundamentals and the
foundational base first, and sowe're.
What we're doing is, as we'retrying to get better as disc
golf athletes, we are Trying toapply technique solutions to

(01:08:08):
what many times our movementproblems, and so, if so, it
needs example.
Here is somebody's trying to Dosome technique skill practice
where they've watched onlinesomeone that is, you know,
trying to show them how to getmore, get a more reach in there
in their backhand.

(01:08:29):
So they're, they're doing allthese drills and there's not
getting the success they want.
Well, maybe their upper backjust doesn't have the adequate
mobility To be able to rotatethrough the thoracic spine, the
upper back, and so we're tryingto do a skill, we're trying to
apply a skill Solution,technique solution to something

(01:08:53):
that is very much a movementproblem.
So we get you more upper backmobility and now you can get
more reach back in your, in yourtechnique.
So To your question aboutwarming up.
That was your question, right,warming up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Now I'm talking about, yeah,kind of how to how to warm up
effectively.
How long should I warm up?
Yeah what should kind of mytime?
How do I know what I'm warmedup?
I mean, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
So if we look at warm-up so so I guess I went on
that whole down that whole pathto now with the warm-ups of
Warm-ups are focused on thewarm-ups that I do on tour, the
warm-ups I show.
The first thing I put out Withdisc golf wrong was a warm-up, a
pre-on warm-up, because youknow it.

(01:09:45):
I'm glad you're touching on itbecause it is.
It's so foundational.
Every other athlete in othersports they warm up and so if we
want to have Something we cando right away that can impact
our performance on the course,lower injury risk, get us
prepared to, to you know,optimize our potential, is
warming up now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
I think that also helps us to think about that.
We're an athlete too, because Iknow when I would just go out
and play, it wasn't the same asnow that I've started warming up
, like it gets me into thatathletic mindset, to the mental
shift, yeah, yeah okay, that's agood point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Yes, absolutely.
And in warm-ups were alwayslike when I I remember like
there was a tournament, a homehome tournament Back in like
this was 2016.
I think it.
When it's happened and you know, I was talking to my friend
that was running the tournamentI was like, hey, you know what
about I just show a warm-up andso I've been putting stuff out
online and I was already kind ofworking with Madison Walker and

(01:10:49):
Sarah Hoke and stuff, and so Iwas like how about I just like
do a little pre-round warm-upfor people if they want?
And he's like, yeah, that's agreat idea.
So we're all kind of hangingout and I yell out there's a lot
of people there.
I'm like, yeah, Yo, there's alot of people there.
I'm like hey, if anyone wants todo a pre-round warm-up, come on
over here, and you know it'sgonna take a couple minutes.
Please go right through it.

(01:11:10):
Not even like my best friendscame over, like my wife was
there, you know, and she waslike, uh, I was like everyone
knows that, like I, this is whatI do, and everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
But you get in that side because of this you get in
the side eye for the wife likeyou're embarrassing me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Yeah, she's, like you know like whoa, what is going
on here?
I like nobody wanted to be likeit, just warming up was not
Popular, it was just one.
It's not the culture of oursport, right?
I?
I taught a clinic with Eric andTina Oakley back in.
We were in Sweden, we talked ina couple different countries,
but we were in Sweden when thisstory happened and there was

(01:11:51):
like 50 or 60 people there and Iwas doing my portion of it, and
so I said how many of you playsome sort of sport other than
disc golf that you grew upplaying, like you know, football
or hockey or something?
And everyone raised their hand.
And I said how many of you,before you practice or play that

(01:12:13):
sport, warm up?
And everyone raised their hand.
I said how many of you warm upfor disc golf?
And no one raised their handand everyone's laughing and
stuff.
I said so if this all magicallywent from a disc golf clinic to
an ice hockey or a soccer orfootball clinic, you guys would
all and I said warm up.
You'd all be, like you know,touching fingers, like okay,

(01:12:33):
let's give each other space,like we got to do our warm ups,
right.
And so you know, obviously theywere there to hear what I had
to say.
So they were kind of vested in,but still they, it just wasn't
cool.
So it's great to see the firstmany years of of disc golf.
Wrong was just trying to get notonly people thinking about
themselves as athletes but alsolike thinking about like

(01:12:57):
changing the culture aroundwarming up.
And so we, we keep it simple.
So with the, with the, withwhat I do on the tour is I keep
it simple, I keep it actionable,I keep it relevant to what
we're doing and I keep itroutine.
And so there's a lot of thingswhen we think about warm ups.

(01:13:23):
We look at soccer warm ups orwe look at baseball warm ups.
We look at.
You know, warm ups are evolving.
There'd be something other thanjust like A, something to just
get people moving, athletesmoving, and B like a time killer
for the coach.
You know when he wants to like,you know hey we got warm ups, go

(01:13:46):
, go run for 10 minutes and comeback and then we're going to do
some high knees and some Askips and stuff.
It's like it wasn't reallythought out, it was kind of just
like you know.
Okay, we got an hour, two hoursession, you know, let's, let's
try to just wait, use up some ofthat time warming up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Well, like junior high football, that would be
when my football coach wouldstand on the sidelines and smoke
a cigarette.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, exactly that's exactly what I'm saying, Like it
was in a well thought.
So people go back and like man,I got to think about what I did
junior high like probablywasn't the warm up you should be
doing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
You know, like that was the thought out warm up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
That wasn't a thought out warm up.
That was just time to make yousweat, to make it feel like you
were, you know, doing somethinghard and, like you said, for the
coach to smoke a cigarette youknow that was his warm up, yeah
right, that was his meditation.
There you go, exactly, exactly.
So we want to keep it simple,like I don't need so.

(01:14:45):
If I on tour, like I've got anathlete showing up and they're
about to tee off in like 30minutes to an hour, the last
thing I need to do is teach themsome super complex movement
that you know is going to takethem 15 to 20 minutes to learn
and they've got to really thinkhard about it and get the
nuances of the technique.

(01:15:06):
Like that's not what warm upsare for.
Warm ups before we throw warmups, before we play, keep it
simple, right.
Complexity for complexity'ssake is not beneficial, it's
just complexity, and so keep itsimple.
Are we moving?
Are we getting blood flow?
Are we warming things up thetissues?
Are we kind of, you know,stimulating the nervous system

(01:15:29):
to get everything firing?
Yes, like there's more to awarm up.
You know benefits of a warm upin that, but we'll you know the
people can Google those lists.
You know there's lots of stuffto warming up, lots of benefits.
So keeping it simple, that'sone.
Keeping it foundational.
What are the things that we needas disc golf athletes?

(01:15:52):
We need upper back mobility.
We need to be able to rotatethrough our thoracic spine.
We need to be able to rotatethrough our hips.
We need to be able to expresssome power from our lower body.
We need to have good range ofmotion in our shoulders, kind of
just get the shoulder jointsmoving.
So if you look at the warm up Ido and it's the same warm up on

(01:16:12):
my website like it's attackingor it's attacking the right word
, it's working the foundationalpatterns that we need.
We need mobility, we needdynamic mobility and we need
stability for our joints.
And then all the other goodstuff happens the warming up the

(01:16:35):
tissues and the blood flow andall that stuff.
And then routine.
I don't want my athletes toshow up and they're like gosh.
I can't go over and see Sethbecause he's going to teach me
like 15 new things every singletournament.
You know, like they don't gottime for that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
All that complex stuff does wonders for your ego,
but maybe not practical foryour physicality.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Exactly right.
Like I said earlier, the showis not in the gym, the show is
not over at the performance zone, the show is on the course,
right, and so I want them to beable to walk over and they can
do the same thing.
And when I'm not there, if I'moff and I've been called away,

(01:17:22):
do something else, or they'reout doing their field work.
They can do the same thing thatthey did before.
Because the brain, when itcomes to lifting, yeah, you have
to kind of go with somedifferent principles of
puritization, but when it comesto just warming up, you do an
upper back rotation, you do somehip circle, some leg swings and

(01:17:44):
stuff.
Your body's not like, well,you've done that before, like
I'm not going to make thateffective for you.
That's not the goal.
We don't need linearpuritization for just
progressively up for a warmup.
So I want a routine.
I want the players to just beable to just mindlessly go
through it, get all the goodstuff that happened with it and

(01:18:07):
then go do what they're gettingpaid to do.
And so same thing with theamateurs.
We want to just say we've beenput out the same thing, we don't
really change it, and peopleare like, yeah, it's the same
warmup, does it need to change?
Because their brain's not likeman?

(01:18:30):
I've been waiting for a warmupforever for this thing.
So I'm going to make you feelless optimized after, because
you did the same halos, did thesame hip circles, as you did the
last three weeks.
So when we think about it likethat, the warmup then just
doesn't seem as it's not anon-starter for us, because it's

(01:18:54):
not like man.
I need to think of new thingsall the time, or I need to
impress my friends that they'reall about to do with this disc
or this band.
So that's how I think about thewarmup is those principles and

(01:19:14):
it doesn't need to be long.
And one thing I'll see is I'llhave players.
I've had players come over thatthey played soccer, they played
ultimate or something, andthey're like they see my warmup
and they do it and they're like,yeah, that was good, but
where's the high knees and theA-skips?
and the ladder drills and stuffI'm like do you really?
want to be counting yourheartbeat in your head before

(01:19:37):
you go.
Do a few more practice puttsand head over to a whole one.
We don't need that.
This is not a soccer match.
So I've had players that havetried it.
They're like, yeah, I'm goingto do my warmup as well.
That I used to do back insoccer.
And then they do it.
And then they're like man, thatwas just way too intense for

(01:19:58):
what I needed to do for discgolf.
I was breathing 20 repetitionsa minute and that's way too high
for what you should be doingwhen you're about to tee off at
hole one or putt at the basket,and so we don't need to keep it
super intense.
We don't need to jump aroundand stuff.
That's just not our sport.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
That's something I've noticed with myself just in
playing in general, like there'sone course we play is NAD in
Bremerton and there's this hillbetween hole eight and nine that
I always know like I can tellby my heart rate that I need to
just take a few breaths and letit come down before I even throw

(01:20:38):
, Because if my heart rate's too, high, I tend to overthrow or
throw the wrong way, and so I'velearned that about myself too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Yeah, absolutely.
I don't want any player to sitthere and be like, hey, why'd
you miss that putt on hole one?
And it's like what were youthinking about?
Like well, I was counting myrespiratory rate and my heart
beats in my head.
You know, I could hear thempounding in my head because you
had me do jumping jacks and highknees and ace skits before you
had me tee off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
It was funny.
We were at Ladies of the Lakewith Jenny here and she was on
fire with her putting game thisone day and one of our friends
came over who was kind ofstruggling with her puttering.
She's like so how do you haveher working on her putting Like
she's gotten really good all ofa sudden and I looked over and I
said, well, every time shemisses a putt, I make her get

(01:21:30):
down and do push-ups.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Just so, not true.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Definitely not true.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
But there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
So earlier you made mention of having technique
solutions to movement problemsand the thing that bounced into
my head instantly was talkingabout compensated muscle
movements and the push and pullof your musculature on your
skeletal system, and just, Ihave a little bit of a

(01:22:07):
background in personal training,so I know a little bit about
this stuff.
I'm by no means an expert, butI did actually go through with
passing the ACE test, so, yeah,so I know a little bit about it,
but you're well and above, likemy knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Yeah.
So, talking about movementcompensation, the body is going
to always choose the path ofloose resistance in most cases,
and it's going to allow us tokeep doing what we need to do to
function as humans, because weare, we're great compensators.
If I am walking through thewoods and I spray my ankle and

(01:22:49):
I'm like, oh, I can barely walkon it, man, I don't know if I'm
going to make it back to camp.
All of a sudden, a bear popsout of the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
My brain's like do you even have an?

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
ankle I'm running.
It's fractured right, so it'sgoing to compensate.
It's going to do everything itneeds to do to keep me survival
mode, so our body willcompensate, and all of us have
compensations.
We do less human stuff than weused to.
Our ancestors would neverimagine moving as little and

(01:23:23):
having as little variety inmovements and solving movement
puzzles with our patterns thanwe do now.
So we have movement dysfunctionand movement compensations.
We accomplish the same goal,just not the way that's probably
optimal, and so it puts morestress in places that probably

(01:23:44):
aren't designed to handle thosekind of stresses.
And so things, a lot of things,that a lot of movement
compensation results in chronicover usage in certain things,
like I said, stress points aregetting stressed that shouldn't
be stress points because of thecompensations, and then we get

(01:24:05):
injuries, and usually there arechronic injuries that are below
the level of our awareness atthe time our conscious awareness
and then they become acutebecause for some reason our
brain decided to tap into whatwas going on in that join or
that tendon or whatever, or wedid something in the moment that

(01:24:28):
all of a sudden it was likenope, you're done, like I
chronically compensated longenough, now you are officially
injured, or you at least knowyou're injured.
So we want to try to correctthese movement compensations as

(01:24:50):
much as we can, and so the firststep is knowing that the body
compensates, and so I'm glad youbrought up more talk about it.
If I have, a lot of people justwant to work on an engine, they
want to build an engine, be abetter performer by building an
engine.
So if I'm sitting there and I'mworking with an athlete and

(01:25:11):
we're like, all right, we'regoing to do this drill on the
ground that's going to work on alittle hip stability, get the
stabilizer muscles around thehip firing.
Now they've worked with me longenough.
Or they hear me my littleeducation talks about certain
topics like this with them thatthey're not going to brush it
off.
But a lot of people say thelook online and they'll be like

(01:25:33):
where's the heavy deadlifts?
Why are you doing this halfkneeling drill for hip stability
?
Well, if you have a race car andyou go to get in your race car
and I say, brandon or Jenny, Iwant you to get in this race car
, I want you to drive around thetrack as fast as you can and

(01:25:54):
the engine's great, it's got ahigh horsepower engine, you're
going to just crush it.
You're going to go so fast youcan't believe.
And you're like, ok, let's dothis, let's go.
And then, right before you takeoff, I'm like, oh, just so you
know, I think the steeringlinkage might be a little loose.
The front left tires definitelydown a few PSI and I think the
brakes haven't been checked in awhile Go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Right, jenny's had that car.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Yeah, I've had that car.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Yeah, right, so you're like I don't know about
this anymore.
So not only are you going tonot be able to optimize and
maximize your performance right,Because now you're thinking
about all these little thingsthat might be wrong and the
engine's fine, right, but it'sthese little things, it's these

(01:26:43):
little things that impactperformance.
Now, if you're driving and thefront left tire is a little more
deflated and there's othersmall little things that have
happened on the car, not onlyare you not going to feel as
confident so our brain does thesame thing, because it feels
confident, because it detectsthose movement imbalances, lack

(01:27:06):
of stability and joy or mobilityissues or something but also
you're going to find more wearand tear in certain areas.
And so, while we can build theengine, we got to really make
sure that all the other smallstuff.
We got to make sure the tiresare good to go, we got to make
sure the brakes are good to go,we got to make sure the bearings
are good.

(01:27:26):
Like those things because thoseare the things that are really
going to put us out of the raceis those little movement
compensations, and so that'sreally what I've always been
focused on in disc golf ishelping people fix those things.
It's like, ok, let's work onyour people.

(01:27:46):
Like I want to throw farther.
Ok, let's check your upper backmobility, your hip mobility,
your hip stability, your anklemobility, things like that.
Yeah, but I want to throwfarther.
Ok, I got it Cool, let's checkyour upper back mobility, check
your hip mobility, let's checkyour hip stability, because if
we are compensating throughthose areas, we're not going to
be able to tap into theperformance that we have.

(01:28:08):
We have amazing amounts ofstrength and power and untapped
potential.
We've all heard the storiesabout the little lady that goes
and picks the car up off hergrandkid, and those things have
happened.
They've tapped into things theynever knew they had.
So we all have untappedpotential.
But if the brain senses thesemovement compensations and all

(01:28:30):
these other energy leaks, stufflike that, it's not going to
allow us to tap into the powerand performance potential
already inside of us.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Now that's really interesting with the compensated
muscle movements and stuff.
I see a lot of the people thatwe play with on a regular basis
and we're kind of getting upinto the older divisions and
they are limping or got theirbent over the percussion guns or
whatnot out and complain aboutthis injury or that injury.

(01:29:03):
And it's like, well, have youseen your form, have you watched
how you move and how you throw?
And I'm not throwing anybodyunder the bus, but it's like
when you have this baselineknowledge of kinesiology, you
kind of understand why thingsare happening the way they're
happening and why they're havingthe ailments they're having.

(01:29:23):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Yeah, absolutely.
And the answer to a lot ofthese and I don't know if I can
really say that it's the answer,but a path to a potential
solution, let's go with that fora lot of these is doing stuff
like working on thosecompensations.
So someone will send me a videoand they'll be like, hey, what

(01:29:50):
do you think of my technique onthis?
I'm trying to get more distanceand what do you see, what drill
should I do?
I'm like, well, I see that yourplant leg hip looks a little
unstable.
I'm like, yeah, but how do Iget more distance?
Let's work on your plant leghip, because that's an energy
leak right there.

(01:30:10):
The brain's thinking, whoa, Idon't feel that hip, I don't
feel the stability and controlin that hip joint that I need,
and so you're not going to beable to access that power of
potential.
But it's probably going tochange your technique.
So working on tying up the fourknots, the two shoulders and

(01:30:32):
hips and then getting the coreengaged and stuff, can go a long
way for that.
But that's that thing with thetechnique is a challenge that we
have.
There's a couple of challengesthat we have at disc golf.
One is I've been saying thissince probably day one.
That's.
The best thing about disc golfis you can play every day, and
the worst thing about disc golfis we can play every day.
And because how many othersports can they just go and for

(01:30:57):
free play it and just put it ata high volume, high stress, high
loading, high, everything onour bodies?
And we can go well, a45-year-old amateur is not going
to throw as hard as Simon Lazat.
But Simon Lazat throwing at100% power and in amateur

(01:31:18):
throwing a hundred percent power, it's still a hundred percent
power.
On their frame right they'restill putting all that they have
into it he can just handle ahundred percent power.
Even though he doesn't throw ahundred percent power, he can
handle that more than somebodythat that doesn't have the you
know kind of the capacity in theframework and everything that

(01:31:39):
Simon or Eagle or anyone elsedoes.
And so, finding our ways, goahead, dany.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
I was just going to say that that's something.
So, since we started actuallyfocusing on doing exercises
specifically for improving ourdisc golf game, that's something
that I've had.
Happen is, I've found I don'thave to try as hard to throw
further than I did before.
So being able to have thatstrength it makes a huge

(01:32:06):
difference and you don't have totry as hard.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then you know you can.
Not only do you have to not tryas hard, but you're it's not
even it's trying, not trying ashard and just internally the
things that we didn't even thinkabout.
Like we've created, you'vecreated a buffer zone between
you and injury and you know, andmove yourself closer to

(01:32:31):
optimizing that performance.
So the body just is puttingless stress, even though it's
still a lot of stress on thingson joints and tendons and all
that.
It's putting less stress, soyou can handle more and the body
is going to reward you, youknow.
And one other thing that is achallenge about our sport is we
can get, we can get relativelygood, relatively underlined,

(01:32:55):
bold, relatively good prettyquickly, you know, and then do
it high volume, high intensity,high loads, all that right.
And about our sport, like whenI look at like coaching on the
technique side, the skills andstuff, one thing that I see, one

(01:33:18):
of the things I see aschallenging is, you know, we're
using models of technique andattainment performance results
that really you don't see a lotin other other sports for
amateurs, right.
So like if I picked up abaseball and started throwing up
my kids and they're like yeah,you're good at throwing a

(01:33:38):
baseball.
I'm not jumped on the internetand being like how to throw a
hundred miles an hour, like Imade really close right, like
that's just not going to happen,like it's going to their
technique, everything.
Their results are differentthan the other.
So my results are different thanwhat I can or should even

(01:33:59):
attempt to attain in the momentwhere I'm at right, and so a lot
of the stuff that we see isbased off of, like you know,
let's look at Eagle McMahon andlet's look at what his form is,
and then I just started discgolf six months ago and so I'm
going to work really hard tolook like Eagle McMahon.

(01:34:20):
You know, when I throw, eagleMcMans has been doing it for a
long time and there's a lot ofchanges and lever arms and all
sorts of stuff that's happenedfor him to get to where he's at.
A lot of reps, a lot of youknow that path, that journey,
and we're trying to get to thatpoint like in a incredible speed

(01:34:42):
.
So we're at point A, I'm atpoint A, ego's at point Z.
I'm just scouring the internetand try to get to point Z before
my next tournament in six weeks, where I should be working on
getting to point B and thenpoint C and then you just kind
of arrive at point Z at somepoint, if you do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Yeah, and well, and one great thing about disc golf
is that there's so much opensource training out there and
information on YouTube and theinternet and articles and all
sorts of things.
I would say almost more so thanany other sport, but it's kind
of, like you said, it's thedouble-edged sword.
There's so much information outthere about disc golf and it

(01:35:26):
seems like everybody and theirbrother are you know, have the.
You know, add 30 feet to yourshot, you know if they are how
to putt or whatever, and youknow there's.
So there's a lot of notnecessarily I wouldn't call it
like misinformation out there,because I don't think they're
doing it intentionally, butpeople that are just putting out
information say hey, you know,try this, see if it works.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Yeah, and, like you said, it's not, it's good
intentioned information and soyou know.
But again, I go to that point of, like you know, in baseball or
in hockey or in any other sport,when you're working with your
coach in high school or juniorhigh or anything, they're not

(01:36:10):
like in the back of their head.
They're, you know, based offtheir experience of when they
played in the NHL or they playedin college or whatever, but
they're working with you on whoyou are now.
You know your body, yourlimitations, your skill level,
the way you think about you know, being on the ice and all that,
and they're not trying to modelyou against the top model.

(01:36:35):
You know, and that is achallenge in our sport is like,
on the skill level is we'relooking at what the best players
in the world are doing and thenwe're trying to go out there
and add 30 feet by doing that.
And I told I was talking withBrian Earhart about this

(01:37:00):
recently, where we were justtalking about Brian's a great
coach and, you know, amazing andin history of the game and or
is a great orator about the gameand philosopher about the game
and all that we were justtalking about just like the
youth and what is going to bethe explosion of the youth for
our sport.
And I said, you know, one of mythings that I see as a challenge

(01:37:22):
for our sport, that I want tomake sure doesn't happen, is
that, like a major, a littleleague baseball coach is not
working with a 12 year old ontrying to get that 12 year old
in mechanics of a major leaguecloser, or a major league
starter right starting pitcher.

(01:37:42):
They're trying to work withthem on where they are at in the
developmental sequence of lifefor a 12 year old body and what
they can do and not do and stuff.
But you know we're trying topush limits.
That you know that.
You know we're.
You know that we need to kindof make sure that we're doing it

(01:38:04):
, you know, in a safe and soundway.
And one to hit on.
One thing you said about gain.
You know, gain 30 yards or gain30 feet, right, I had an
athlete one time and he youngerathlete, he worked, he plays on
the tour and this couple ofyears ago and he sent me a video
of his form and he's like.

(01:38:24):
He's like what.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
I need to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
I want to.
He's like I want to hit 500feet.
Like what do I have to do rightnow to hit 500 feet?
I said, well, there's a coupleof things.
One you can just play aroundwith it.
You know different disc weightsand stabilities and stuff, and
you know that and angles to tryto hit 500 feet.
I'm like but do you really wantto hit 500 feet or do you want
to earn 500 feet?
Because hitting 500 feet islike something you could

(01:38:48):
potentially do every now andthen if the wind is right and
the stability is, you know, inyour favor and stuff.
But if you earn 500 feetthrough training, through all
the other stuff, you're going tohave that 500 feet whenever you
want it, versus like justsomething that you hope happens
when the stars align at thetournament.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
And so you know it's kind of the difference between
owning something and borrowingsomething.
You know if you, if you you getthe wind right and whatever,
well you're, you know you'reborrowing that 500 foot shot.
But, like you said, if you goout there and you put in the
work, you put in the time, putin the reps to really dial that
in, you own that and you're.
You don't ever have to give itaway if you don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Exactly, exactly.
So you know we want to earnthat distance and sometimes just
a you know a quick trick overover.
You know a YouTube video and Isaid this is not.
You said it's all goodintentioned and so it's not
putting you down, it's just youknow we're on the sport.
It's like everyone's lookingfor the quick, the quick fix,
the quick thing to this, thequick thing to that, and so if

(01:39:55):
we think about earning it moreand gaining the experience along
the way, we're like you said,we're going to own it and not
borrow it for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Yeah, it's like you said earlier in the podcast.
It's like everybody wants to bethe next Paul McBeth, but then
everybody wants to be the nextPaul McBeth, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Like they, they want to do it, paul.
You know what Paul does.
You know, hold trophies up inthe air.
But you know not.
You know, put the intentionalpractice and the focus and the
you know, training his body andthe mental work and everything
he's done.
You know, I just want the trophyyou know and understandably,
like that's what people want insports.
You know they want to, theywant to see that shining moment

(01:40:35):
at the end.
But there's a path to get there.
You know and you choose yourpath.
You know and one path is owningit and you know having success
for a long time.
Or you know for a for a certainnumber of years before you know
you move on to someone else orin your kicks out or something.
But you know there's othersthat have sometimes a shorter
path and maybe a shorter path ofsuccess, but it may be also a

(01:40:57):
shorter path.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Yeah, we've said it before on the podcast.
There's a great quote out thereby I believe it's Michael
Angelo, when he was doing theSistine Chapel and he said if
you knew what it take, if youknew what it took to become a
master, you would hardly thinkit was wonderful at all.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Yeah right, so true, yeah, so true.
I can definitely agree withthat quote.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
So earlier you talked about the compensated most
movements and you're talkingabout power leaks and difference
differences in form and I havea working theory that I'm kind
of developing that I wouldn'tmind bouncing off.
You is when we talk about ourarm speed in the X step and how
those two things affect eachother.
In watching the X step, I'vekind of developed this theory

(01:41:50):
that it's more about powerconservation rather than power
generation, because we have thisgal that we play with all the
time at tournaments.
Her name is Danielle and she'sa very small individual and I'm
a big dude.
I'm like 250 pounds, prettymuscular, and she can out drive

(01:42:11):
me and I'm scratching my headlike, well, what's going on?
I know that my flyweight is wayhigher than hers.
Is what's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Yeah, you do have power conservation.
For sure you have to have powergeneration.
I know I saw a video recentlywhere a skills coach said you
don't really need to worry aboutgenerating power.
I think he was kind of sayingyou know pushing off the back
leg or anything.
And I would say that you know,you look at baseball, you look
at other sports.
They would have something youknow different to say about that

(01:42:48):
.
Like you know, we need to beable to create power.
We need to be able to have a gothrough what we call the
kinetic chain from the lowerbody to the, you know, from the
lower body through a stiff andstable core, up into the upper
body and out into the disc right, and so we need to generate
power.
We need to conserve power aswell.
We don't want the energy leaks.
So I don't know what herbackground history is.

(01:43:10):
You know what she had athletebefore in another sport, you
know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Oh she's, she's FPO, she plays.
She did the cascade challengeout here in Shelton when you
guys were here.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Yeah.
So besides, besides disc golf,you know, she did any other sort
of other athletic.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
I'm not exactly sure.
Yeah, I want to say I don'tthink she was, but who knows?
Yeah, we only met her throughdisc golf, so we only know her
as disc golf Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Yeah, so like you know, emerson Keith, like he's a
lot of power in a smallerpackage and and Emerson is can
create so much power.
But he was a high level hockeyplayer.
You know he went through thedevelopmental sequencing of
being on the ice and stabilityand you know, and control and
body awareness and all that andso that you know he can out

(01:44:00):
drive someone who is taller andbigger and, you know, got more
punch.
You know, but didn't have allthat control and that movement
capacity that that was built upthrough other other sports and
other methods before.
But also I mean there there is,while we do look, say by
looking on tour, and we see thatpeople with long lever arms and

(01:44:23):
in tall frames are definitelythrowing hard.
They're not, they're not likeout and driving.
You know smaller frames by thatmuch and sometimes not at all.
So one thing I would say is,like my mentor that I referred
to earlier, same as Dan John, he, he would hear the joke where

(01:44:46):
he's like you know, how do yousay hello to a basketball?
You know an NBA player, youknow you, you look up and you
reach up and shake your hand,shake their hand.
You know, say, how do you sayhello to an Olympic and
weightlifter?
You know you look down andshake their hand.
You know like there, you knowthere's.
There's definitely something tosay about smaller frames are

(01:45:09):
able just to do lever arms andyou know, and they're just just
be able to create morecompactness and to to everything
they're doing, that they cangenerate a lot of power and they
don't have as much, they don'thave to have it go through as
long of a of a lever arm or thebody to to be able to transfer

(01:45:32):
that force right.
Trying to, you don't really seea lot of like six foot four.
You know ice skaters that aredoing the.
You know all the pirouettes,whatever they do in ice skating
you know the oh, you're talkingabout figure skating.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
There you go, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Figure skating.
That's what it's like.
Yeah, it wasn't coming to meright.
Like you know, you do see someof them.
You don't see a lot of them,and I'm just saying that because
you know, when you're longer,it's a lot harder to create
stability, for the joints tocreate stability, and there's a
lot more chance for you knowenergy dispersion before it gets

(01:46:10):
to the disc.
Yeah so while I agree with youthat you know there's definitely
energy conversation atconservation, I think we
definitely have to create powerfor sure, and that's something
that we just again going back to, you know our years like a
baseball player, like you don'tever talk to anyone in the major
league baseball and you're like, hey, when did you start

(01:46:31):
playing baseball?
And they're like, oh really,like freshman year of college, I
kind of just fell into it.
You know, like they've beentraining and doing power
development and coaching andbeing able to learn how to
transfer energy from their lowerbody into a baseball since they
were little kids.
And you know we don't have asmuch of that yet in our sport.

(01:46:51):
We will, and so I think thatwe'll see that in the future,
where you know you got peoplecoming up that have had a lot of
that coaching and training andstuff that know how to generate
power from the lower body.
I just don't think we have asmany people that have that
experience yet to really know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
Okay For my, for my own curiosity here, kind of off
topic.
What is with tennis players?
They come in and these in, theyjust can chuck it a mile and
it's.
It's something I've run into aton of tennis players that it's
just like oh, I started playinglike a month ago and I'm already
playing MA one and it's likeand you can throw 500 feet,

(01:47:36):
what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Yeah, well that you know.
I'm only going to assume thatthose tennis players did not
start playing tennis likerecreationally a year before
they started playing disc golf,right?
So I'm going to only assumethat they probably, like a lot
of really good tennis players,started in their youth and so
their bodies, their brains, werelearning how to make that

(01:48:01):
connection of plant brace,transfer, energy release Right,
and so they took so a disc golf,like putting a disc in their
hand, like it's, like learning,like, oh, this isn't a racket,
this is a disc.
But men's like behind, likeunderneath the skin, everything,

(01:48:23):
everything has been primed overmany, many, many years of.
You know, here's what we wantto accomplish.
Here's the.
You know run, run the motorprogram, you know.
Flip the switch, push thebutton, boom.
Plant brace the hip, generate.

(01:48:43):
You know, transfer that powerthrough up into the disc, boom.
Everyone.
You know high fives Like thatis like that's probably that's
why tennis and other rotationalsports like that, you know.
You see people that havesuccess that do that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
I have a lot of female friends that I've made
that they used to play softballand that seems to transition
well to disc golf too.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Yep Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
All right.
So, um, what kind of startedthis conversation of doing the
nutrition and exercise for thelast two episodes is?
You know what we're doing toget ready for next season and
our off season, so could youtalk to a little bit about
different habits and routinesoff season versus on season?

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Yeah for sure.
So off season is the timedefinitely to you know, start to
work on the other sides of discgolf performance.
And so, with one side of discgolf, performance is, you know,
throwing for, you know putt forbirdies.
The other side is all this offcourse stuff.

(01:50:00):
And so it's a really good timeto find ways to make
improvements.
And I say that I say that way tofind ways to make improvements
is because, going back to whatwe were talking about earlier,
is a lot of people don't startwith off season anything because
they think that they've got todo it all Right.

(01:50:23):
And so, like, well, gosh, offseason training is me going, and
you know, training an hour anda half and an hour three to four
times a week.
I don't even do it for fiveminutes right now, but now I've
got to find time in my busyschedule with my kids or my work
or whatever, to go do some sortof off season training.

(01:50:43):
Like, no, you know, start withfive minutes, start with 20
minutes, start with whatever isrealistically, you know, doable
for you, but do something.
And so take that time to workon some mobility, work on some
stability for your joints,things like that.
So there's the physical side,then there's the nutritional

(01:51:04):
side.
You know how am I going to, youknow, make us 10% improvement
in my nutrition right now.
You know I don't need to make a100% nutrition change if that's
not going to be realisticallydoable for me.
But how can I do 10%?
And then, when that becomeseasy, I do, you know, 10% more.

(01:51:24):
But that's where the off seasonis really good time to do that.
In season definitely is morechallenging because you're
stacking up a bunch of stackingup a bunch of reps, and so in
season for my athletes is moreabout recovery and restoration
and trying to, you know, makesure you can get to.
The next one is is that?

(01:51:44):
That's the focus?
There?
It's kind of taken what we didin the off season and now let's
just manage and make it work andget you to do the through the
through the whole year.
What kind of areas, say, foroff season training do you have?
You know?
Should I explore in my topicsin my conversation?

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
You started getting to talking about the recovery
and the active rest during theseason.
How, how important and how canwe incorporate the recovery and
the active, the active rest?

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Yeah for sure.
So, you know, and and startingto build some of the, some of
the active, that some of theirrecovery, you know, now during
the off season, makes it easierto kind of just flow into it
during the season.
So a couple things with withrecovery is I get a lot of, have

(01:52:40):
a lot of conversations withpeople and they're like you know
, hey, you know I, I really wantto, you know, get more recovery
and and restoration.
For I guess they don't use thatword, I'll use it when I talk
to them, but they'll be like Iwant to recover better for for
my rounds and stuff.
And they're like you know,should I do crowd therapy?

(01:53:03):
Should I do red light therapy,should I do IV treatment?
It's like you know all thesedifferent things that I'm like
well, you know, let's start with.
You know how much sleep do youthink you average on a night?
And you know like, well, youknow, especially on tour, you
got people like, oh, I'm onInstagram till, you know, late
at night, and so I'm not reallygetting a lot of sleep, or I'm
doing something about people.

(01:53:24):
I'm like, well, let's startthere, let's start with getting
good quality sleep and and tryto keep it as regular as
possible.
So that's what I tell everyonewhen I first like if your body,
you know we can go for all the,all the you know kind of trendy
things out there for recovery.

(01:53:45):
But if we're not doing thefoundational stuff like making
sure we're hydrated, making surewe're, you know, trying to
improve our sleep hygiene,making sure that you know we're
trying to get some, you know,good nutrients in our body, kind
of, everything else is kind of,you know, isn't going to
probably have as good effects aspossible.
It's like my Dan John, mymentor Dan, used to say you know

(01:54:09):
he'd like someone walks in andhe's, you know, talks to his
doctor.
He's, you know, smoking acigarette and got a you know
bottle of whiskey in his hand.
He says, doctor, do you try toimprove my health?
Do you think I should put somechia seeds on my oatmeal?
And you know he's like well,let's let's first, let's, let's
first maybe talk about, you know, getting a cigarette and

(01:54:29):
whiskey out of the hand.
You know, at the doctor'soffice, like, let's, you know,
let's go for the big rocks firstand make sure that we're doing
that, and then all that otherstuff can kind of, you know,
explore later.
So sleep, are you getting thesleep?
Are you getting the nutrition?
Are you getting the hydration?

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
And then outside.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Of that, you know, foam roll soft, some soft tissue
work, kind of just, you know it, just it just feels good for
the body to do some soft tissuework, roll around on foam, foam
roll roll around on the crossball things like that find some
tender spots and, kind of, youknow, do some little release or
whatever we, you know, want tocall it.
Now, on the movement, you know,kind of sphere on whatever it's

(01:55:10):
doing in the muscle.
It just feels good and peoplewill Loosen up some tension
because of it.
Um, and then just trying to abig thing is trying to think
about your pitch count, yourthrow count.
I've been talking to my playersabout this since the very
beginning.
Is I use baseball analogy somuch I'm I'm using more hockey

(01:55:31):
analogies now because I know youplayed some hockey.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
But I'm usually just like all baseball analogy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
So this is the most hockey analogies I pulled out of
that, out of the tool weappreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Yeah yeah, go wild, by the way, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Okay, I like that.
So the pitch count, like the.
Going back to that quote of the, the best thing about this golf
is you can play every day.
And the worst thing my discoffice you can play every day.
We're throwing so much, we'rethrowing a, putting so much
volume on our, on our body.

(01:56:10):
And so the first thing I tell alot of people when they want to
improve the recovery, I'm likelet's, let's talk about how many
, how many throws you're doing aweek and how can we, you know,
lessen that a little bit?
and now I know, like at anamateur level, you know, people
will be like well, I don't doany field work, I'm just going

(01:56:31):
out and Throwing, I'm playingrounds with friends and that's.
That's one of the most amazingthings about the sport.
But it's also a challenge withabout our sport, because we're
putting more volume Than apicture, whatever thinking about
putting on it.
You know, in a month we'reputting that volume on in a week
as a you know, and we'rethrowing.
That we're throwing, andDoesn't matter if we're throwing

(01:56:54):
a disc or we're throwing abaseball.
We're putting volume on theelbow, the shoulder, the, the
body Right, and so Cutting downsome of those reps Can be
beneficial and that will helpkind of in that restoration
recovery period because we don'thave to try to recover from

(01:57:16):
such a deficit every time.
I Could talk a lot about a lotof those things.
Anything you want me to kind ofhit on more?

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
well, I Want to throw one out there for our friend
Kayla.
She asked us at a tournamentonce, before tournaments I think
everybody's dealt with this tosome extent that how do you, how
do you deal with gettingsufficient sleep the night
before a tournament?
Because you know we are livingin the age of anxiety and you

(01:57:49):
know trauma, reinforcement andall sorts of mental health
issues, and you know going intoa tournament is stressful, even
in an amateur level.
So how so?
What are some tricks and tipsthat you have for getting
sufficient rest the day or nightbefore a tournament?

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Yeah, that's a great question and I'm glad you, you
know, brought up that.
Like I'm, I've been very open,vocal.
People can find Podcasts onlinewith me talking, not on disc
golf podcast but other podcastabout these topics of mental
health.
Because you know, from military, from ambulance, from all that
I got PTSD and you know in thatPTSD at one point turned in out

(01:58:32):
of the out of the blue into, youknow, panic attacks and anxiety
and all that and fortunately I,you know, through a lot of
mental health and a lot ofcoaching, a lot of therapy and
all that I'm.
You know that a lot of that,most all that is, you know, was
a stage in my life.
That isn't that I'm not inright now, but I had to put in
the work and I had to, you know,make I Couldn't.

(01:58:58):
If I, if, let's say, I knewsomething was gonna be super
stressful, I needed to kind ofdo the work in the days, in the
weeks leading up to that To helpme prepare.
So I knew it was coming right.
So if we're, we're moreconfident and and prepared to

(01:59:21):
move into something Even thoughit can be everything is gonna be
stressful like that, like atournament, no matter what, it's
gonna be stressful, but if Ihave a, if I've worked, develop
a routine Before the nightbefore my tournament, then I can
just call on that routine Right, and they'll talk about that.

(01:59:44):
In mental health and stuff,it's like you know it, if
someone's experiencing anxiety,that practice that you've done
of your breath, work in this netbeforehand, you can tap into
that more readily than if you'venever done it before.
You only pull it out of the bagwhen you need it.
You know so.
So saying, hey, I, you know, Iknow I need to improve my sleep

(02:00:08):
and so I'm actually going tostart, because I don't want
sleep challenges to to affect meas much the day before or the
day of the tournament, and sobacking it up a week, two weeks,
whatever, or just, you know, ingeneral I'm trying to improve
my sleep and Then the three daysbefore or whatever, it works

(02:00:32):
for each person.
You know I start to reduce somesocial media.
You know I'm starting to, youknow, do some more meditation
and start to Focus more on.
Okay, you know, the week, theweek that this thing is going on
, I'm going to intentionallyback off on how much social
media, media usage I'm doing inthe evening.

(02:00:55):
So I'm going to maybe not watchanything that could be
distressing and affect my sleep.
I'm going to Do some meditationtonight.
Listen to some positiveaffirmations on our YouTube.
You know video I'm going to,you know, make sure that I'm
hydrating myself.
Well, so it's usually not thenight before thing, it's a this

(02:01:20):
is what I'm working on and thenit just I'm continuing to do
that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:25):
So the night before Seth, I'm really starting to
notice a trend on a lot of theadvice that you're giving that
we just have to start doing itat some point intentionally and
give it the time that it needsin order for it to grow into
that habit, into that routine,and then we will see the

(02:01:46):
increased benefits from thatlittle bitty step of starting.

Speaker 2 (02:01:52):
Absolutely, absolutely.
You know, I, that's that's thekey, right there and and going
back and adding to that, likeyou said, start.
We just need to start doing itand that's why I hammer so much
kind of focus, so much on that,even if it's a little bit,
because most people don't start,because they think I got to do

(02:02:12):
it all, like, oh, I got toimprove my sleep, so that means
I got to go cold turkey on allsocial media, I got a.
You know, getting bed at thistime at this, like, but I got
kids, that I got a.
You know we got to do stuff foran evening.
So how do I change thoseschedules Like, so it's, it's
little things.
You don't need to do it allright away.
Just start and and then justbuild that.
So it's not a.

(02:02:33):
I'm just trying to pullsomething out right now that
I've never practiced or eventhought about and I want it to.
I want to see changes now, Iwant to see benefits now.
It's like no, it's you know, itcomes from doing stuff before.
There's a really good book.
It's a very thin book, is aeasy read, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
I like thin books.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Yeah, there you go.
And I mean now, and it's alsogot a name I can't remember.
No, it's, I think, I'm prettysure, pretty confident.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
It's carry water, chop wood or chop wood water
that I think I've heard of that,something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
Yeah, yeah it's.
It's basically like the guywanted to go and, you know, do
this big thing in life.
Then he goes and meets with themaster.
The master has them start, justchop wood and carry, walk.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
He's like well you know, it's the whole like you
know.
Wax on, wax off like wax on,wax off, right.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
It's like those little things that we started
doing.
Now they have benefits that wedon't even know, like it just so
seems so simple now that likehow could it even Come close to
working?
Because it's just so simple?
But it's, it's making a change,whether we know it or not.
And then now it builds up andnow we can do things later on

(02:03:54):
that we've never thought wecould do now for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
All right, seth.
Well, we're gonna go ahead andask you some wrap up questions
here.
We do definitely appreciate allof your wisdom and time and
expertise.
You know sharing all thisknowledge with us.
It is phenomenal like and it'sabsolutely of great value to our
listeners as well.
So, seth, what's your favoritedisc?

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
Yes, great question.
I Just now.
Okay, so I'll say my favoritedisc and then I'll just just
kind of touch on something, afunny thing about my choosing my
favorite disc and why it's sohard.
Is my favorite disc right nowis the hex by and good choice.

(02:04:47):
I'm loving it.
Yes, I love it.
I just love the hand feel.
I started with kind of like theyou know true back in the day
went like verdicts and you know,buzz and all that.
They're all great, but the hexis just feeling so good I I'm
very calm, I feel very confident, comfortable, I throw it now
why I kind of joke about it isyou know, One of the best things

(02:05:08):
about working in disc golf isyou're around disc golf all the
time and one of the mostchallenging things is you Never
get to play disc golf Becauseyou're working in disc golf all
the time and well, andy, youhave to survive.

Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
Bill Randolph's dad jokes.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
You know, one of the funniest things about Bill when
he says, when he, when he saysgoodbye to people, sometimes
It'll be like alright, hey, seeyou later, drive fast and take
chances.

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
I.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
Said that before to the deal because it just it
throws people off.
You know, drive fast, takechances Like what are these
you're supposed to tell me todrive safe and drive home alive?

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Oh, but Bill's a great guy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
Yeah, that was great.
So the funny thing is likechoosing a disc is like I'm just
now kind of starting.
Now I'm settled down after theseason and starting to play more
, because I really didn't get toplay much.
I don't get to play as much asI want to because I'm always
just working at the disc golfquarter store around disc golf.
And then another thing is whenyou're on tour full-time, I'm

(02:06:17):
there for literally every singlespecial limited edition drop
and Every single type of plasticis always out at the courses or
so I'm, you know, I'm like gotto bring a second suitcase just
to fill it up with discs.
I'm into that, you know, and soI have so many different types
that it's like you know, I'mlooking at, I'm like what am I

(02:06:40):
gonna?
I gotta rebuild my bag.
Like I've got a lot of optionslike all different types, and so
I'm kind of going through whatI want to.
My bag goes like now and thehex is definitely I've got like
three of those in there.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
Are you partial to any brand or anything?

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
I'm not, I'm not.
I like, I like.
You know them all.
There's some that I just havemore of than others, but no, I'm
not.

Speaker 1 (02:07:09):
All right, all right, jenny, did you have something?

Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
Oh, I was gonna say that I have a recently put the
Sister disc, the paradox, backin my bag and we're both fans of
the paradox.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
My, yeah, I threw that like four times yesterday
out of here, of course, here Ilove that.
That's a great option.

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
Rollers yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
Exactly right, and I don't you know, I'm pretty good
at taking what should be like a30 second answer and turning it
to about 30 minutes, so you knowplease excuse me, you're doing
fine.
You're doing fine so yeah, Idon't, I don't.
I don't really throw a lot offorehand unless I'm training for

(02:07:57):
it, unless I'm doing, you know,a lot of forehand specific work
, you know, and reallyincreasing the Buffer zone
between you know the thresholdof what my tendons and my elbow
and all that can handle I.
So if I'm not doing a lot offorehand Work, intentional work,

(02:08:18):
outside of throwing forehand,then I don't really throw
forehand.
So I haven't been playing a lotof disc golf recently because
of tour life, and so the paradoxis amazing for me when I'm not
having any forehand and I know Ican Trust, I will throw like a

(02:08:38):
little approach shop forehandwith like a burger, you know
something, but I won't reallypush it.
And so the the paradox is oneof those discs where I know that
you know I can get those anylines Whenever I feel like them.

Speaker 3 (02:08:53):
Yeah, I'm still learning Forehand from my 12
year old son and he's alwayssitting there like we were out
to eat one night and a baseballgame was on.
He's like mom, you got to watchhow he's throwing, that's how
you got to throw your disc, andso he's still trying to get me
to understand it and it's justnot connecting.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
Yeah, you know, and you know, like I've talked to
players from the past, that youknow they were just like we
didn't have the forehand optionand we were Just fine.
And you know, and you can seeplayers on tour like you know,
james, that that's just finewithout it.
So yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:09:35):
All right.
So Next question is how hasdisc golfed Helped you develop,
changed your life or influencedyour, influenced your life, you
know, getting into it and thenmoving on to it like.
What kind of life lessons haveyou brought with you?

Speaker 2 (02:09:58):
From disc golf.
Yeah, you know so, so many.
It's funny I to go back fromwhere I was, you know, kind of
one night, just mopping thefloors of my gym was side of 35
hundred square foot gym.
So it took a little bit to mopand and it was like 10 o'clock

(02:10:19):
at night, I'd gotten there likefive in the morning and I had to
be there at five in the morningthe next day and you know,
thinking about, you know how canI make actual, I want to make
an impact in disc golf and Goinghome and telling my wife, you
know, hey, I think I'm gonnaactually start putting content
out for disc golf and it's aclosing my gym and to now, this
is what we do full-time and inour lives.

(02:10:40):
My wife works for, you know,works in disc golf strong as
well, and so it's just been anamazing journey and and and it's
taught me so much that you know, I will probably Start to
understand in 10, 15 years.
As you know, I continue toreflect on things, but I Would

(02:11:00):
say one, one thing about thissport is and we all know this,
this is, you know, it'sdefinitely something that draws
us all in is the community andhow you can have just something
that brings so many people fromall over together and and speak
a common language and have acommon love for something and a
passion for something.

(02:11:21):
I shared a photo, a DDO thispast year, which Jane, which
Jeremy Rusko, the founder ofDynamic discs, told me I needed
to do 20 push-ups that USDGCthis year because I called it
DDO and that dynamic discs open.

(02:11:42):
So, jerry, hear this.
I guess I'll do these 20push-ups after I get off podcast
.
They're trying to move it awayfrom DDO to dynamic discs open.
So it was him in the new CEOand he's like dropping in
between I'm like what you justcall it DDO.
I was like, oh so I shared a, Ishared a photo from dynamic

(02:12:08):
discs open, where it was me and20, about 20 of my Estonian
friends, and I said, you know,never in my life when I I first
started throwing a Frisbee did Ithink that I would love going
to some small little town innowhere, kansas, to hang out

(02:12:29):
with 20 of my friends fromEstonia.
You know, it's just really coolto think about that and how
it's drawn people together inthis way.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
That's, that's awesome.
So Do you have any future plansor goals with this golf?
I mean, you're at the spearhead.
Where are you taking this thing?

Speaker 2 (02:12:52):
Yeah, it's.
You know it's been prettyinteresting to have to, like you
know, with with the growth ofdisc golf.
It is, I definitely am awarethat you know I've been at this
the tip of the spear and justtrying to evolve and Make things

(02:13:14):
you know better and improvethings the way wherever I can
and how, however, I can besthelp, I just I just officially
today Became the head coach ofthe Boise State University disc
golf team.

Speaker 3 (02:13:29):
So Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:13:33):
Yeah, so that's you know.
So now I'm here.
We just settled here in theBoise, the Treasure Valley area
in Idaho Back in June and so,yeah, I taught a clinic for them
last week and they were like,hey, would you mind being the
head coach here?
We need a coach.
And I was absolutely.
So now I'm now I'm that'sanother thing I'm doing, you

(02:13:56):
know, as it's kind of Gettinginto collegiate disc golf and
how I can best help you know thefuture of our sport from the
college level as well and thencontinuing to, you know, share
programs and share advice andshare things that I think will
be.
You know, people might findsome, some benefits from In in

(02:14:18):
helping them in their journey inthis sport and helping them be
as resilient, be a resilientdisc golf athlete.
You know that's so important.
So, yeah, we'll see where ittakes me.
We'll keep go, keep going andmove forward.

Speaker 1 (02:14:30):
Well, speaking where, where it takes you.
That's a nice way to talk aboutdisc golf strong.
Now, what is disc golf strongfor our listeners that don't
know how can we get involved I?
I saw that there's someprograms on there.
You can sign up for classes totalk a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (02:14:50):
Yeah, so just golf strong is online athletic
performance organization companyfor for the sport and when we
share, you know, as muchinformation as we can without
being all too consuming andoverwhelming.
And so we've got, you know, oursocial media.

(02:15:10):
We've got our disc all strongperformance academy, which it
started out.
It's an online academy.
It started out as a six-weekAcademy that people could go
through and there was about tenweeks of access To that and it
came with, you know, there'scoaching videos and program, a

(02:15:30):
program to follow, like asix-week program to follow.
That's really evolved a lot andso we're actually in like the
next two weeks we're going to belaunching an all brand new Disc
golf from performance Academywhich is going to be like a year
.
People have a year access to it.
It's gonna there's differentmodules.
There's like the prime discgolf athlete, the mobile disc

(02:15:52):
golf athlete, the stable discgolf athlete, powerful disc golf
athlete, the prepared disc golfathlete and then recovered disc
golf athlete, and so there'sdifferent modules and then
there's different Focuses oftraining and and stuff that
people can do at home.
We really want to meet peoplewhere they're at with disc golf
training.
You know we're not here tostand on.

(02:16:14):
You know, stand on a balanceball on one leg and juggle to
try to get better at this golf.
We want to really try to focuson what are what are the things
that we need as disc golfers,what are the?
What's the mobility, what's thestability, all the things that
we talked about over this.
You know last, you know, I'mhere on the podcast and we just
try to put that out there in apackage form for people that

(02:16:37):
they can access at their home.
We do have, you know, otherlike mini courses and things
we're putting together, you know, unlike shoulder and elbow
health and Knee, and I'm puttingyou like a kettlebell course
for disc golf.
So just things that are goingto be coming out in the future
and that's all through ourwebsite very cool.

Speaker 1 (02:17:00):
Yeah, I was.
I was fishing around yourwebsite and very exciting stuff
and you know love that someonelike you is putting something
like that out there and saying,hey, you know, let's get the
record straight about disc golfhealth, disc golf training and
you know, coming from somebodythat you know, would it be safe

(02:17:22):
to say that you're an expert?

Speaker 2 (02:17:24):
I Think that other people you know would say that
for sure.
I think I think in our ownheads, you know, we always just
you know see things that wecould always do better and and
learn more about, and you know,and so I'm I probably could be

(02:17:44):
pinned down to say that you know, but yeah, and.
I really wanted to make surefrom the very beginning that I
saw that, hey, I'm, you know,right now, no one talking about
it.
At that time, in the beginning,of where I was like, okay, I
have, I have two paths thatcould go.
I could go the path of what'sgonna get the most you know
views and the most Instagramlikes and you know, and if we're

(02:18:07):
developing this in the sport ofdisc golf, could I go the route
of people just being loud andnever really doing the stuff
that I'm putting out there,because it involves a lot of
complexity and stuff?
Or I have a really, you know,great opportunity to make sure
that we're growing the sport oftraining and disc golf from the

(02:18:30):
start with sound principles ofyou know that that you, that you
got in your ace, you knowcertification and that they
talked about in the colleges andthe nsca and all these you know
different things, like thesound Principles of training and
where you should start forathletes.
So that's where I would havekind of made sure I held strong
to is focused on that, and thenwe're excited about the future

(02:18:55):
works out.
You know, the last couple yearsI've been on the road full-time
and I also do that.
You know a whole other side ofthe sport which is the health
and safety For the tour andweather and severe action,
severe weather and the emergencyaction plans and stuff, and so
I've been focusing on that for alot, building those things on
the tour side.
But right now I'm where we, soit's kind of not been putting

(02:19:16):
out a lot of content for discgolf strong recently Because
there's so much focus that Ihave to do for that kind of
stuff for the tour as well.
But we've just been just beencrushing away at just putting
new things, getting new thingsin the works To start putting
out for disc golf strong in thenear future.
We're excited about it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:35):
Awesome.
All right, well, seth, we'regonna get it wrapped up here so.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
Awesome.
Thank you so much, bren andJenny.
It's been a true honor.
Pleasure to be on the show withyou and talk disc golf and
everything we're all passionateabout and all that.
So I really appreciate the theopportunity to talk and share.

Speaker 3 (02:19:56):
Yeah, thank you for coming on.
You were very inspirational.
I took a lot of notes.

Speaker 2 (02:20:02):
Awesome.
Well, no, I appreciate that.
That's awesome, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
Thank you for listening to this episode of the
intentional disc golfer.
This has been a great episodewith our very special guest,
seth Muncie, and at theintentional disc golfer podcast.
We really truly believe thatdisc golf saves lives, so go out
there and grow the sport.

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