Enhancing Disc Golf Performance: The Power of Preparation and Strategic Planning

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mom Dad's making a disc golf podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Thank you for tuning in to the Intentional Disc
Golfer Podcast.
We're excited to have you joinus on our disc golf journey.
This podcast explores thephysical, mental and technical
aspects of disc golf performance.
We will also be discussingtools and techniques to improve
your disc golf game as we workon improving ours.
Now.
Here are your hosts, brandonand Jenny Sapinski.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Thank you for listening to this podcast, jenny
.
Guess what it's finally here,hooray.
Guess what it's finally here,hooray.
Season two of the IntentionalDisc Golfer Podcast, the
long-awaited season two it'shere.
We got a fanfare from the dogs.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Baker's excited.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yes, he's very excited.
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Jenny, you have someannouncements, don't you?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Are you actually done listing all the places they can
find us?
I am what about like Spotify?
Oh, Spotify and all thoseplatforms?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh yeah, all the platforms, All the platforms.
Yes, we're on all majorplatforms.
We're on Spotify, iHeart, Apple, Google, Amazon, just to name a
few.
There's about maybe about 16 or18 places that you can find us
out there.
All the big ones for sure,though.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
It totally threw me off when you said X, because I'm
like what's X?
Oh yeah, twitter.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, the play.
I was thrown off.
The artist formerly known astwitter you know you're not
wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
No, I'm not wrong, not on that.
No, hey, we have stickers.
If you want some.
Uh, I think they're going to bethe last run we have of our
original logo.
We're working on rebranding ourlogo, so if you want one of the
last stickers, go ahead andreach out to us at any of those
places that Brandon alreadymentioned.

(02:49):
And I guess you wanted me totalk about what's on our
calendar, what we have coming up.
I want to say first, though,that at Chief Kitsip Academy, we
are just finished up our firstround of Staff Doubles
Tournament.
We did four weeks of StaffDoubles Tournament.
We are just finished up ourfirst round of staff doubles
tournament.
We did four weeks of staffdoubles tournament, and right

(03:10):
now the competition is is prettyhot between Jeff Williams, sean
Kroll is a group number one andAngelina Sosa and Baron old
coyote.
So looking forward to seeingwho ends up winning our first
round of dubs at Chief KitsapAcademy.
And thank you to the PaulMcBeth Foundation for sponsoring

(03:31):
our disc golf course.
So where are we going to becoming up?
Well, we have a couple weekbreak because it's busy season
for me at work, so we are doingthe Windfall masters cup on
saturday june 15th and sundayjune 16th at evergreen, and

(03:52):
brandon is signed up for ma3.
I'm signed up for fa40.
I was really trying to get himto go to ma40 but you know you.
He's not there yet, and then I'mgetting darn close.
Well, they keep putting youwith pros.
I think they're telling yousomething.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
I know the universe is saying something.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
And then we have my tournament, sirens of the
Springs, at Shelton Springs.
It's second year we moved froma May contest to June because of
the Honey Bee Open for theWomen's Global event, which I'm
pretty stoked.
I took 99th out of like 300 andsomething people in FA40.

(04:33):
So happy about how I did.
But Sirens of the Spring, soyou can check us out on Disc
Golf Scene.
I would like to take a momentto thank all of our sponsors for
Sirens of the Spring.
So, of course, the IntentionalDisc Golfer Podcast, bc
Construction we have.
Wc Plumbing.
Thank you, the Oak Table wehave.

(04:55):
Darkwing Disc, we have ChuckMintz Disc Golf, we have Bex
Warich and I think that'severyone.
Oh, oak Table.
Did I say Oak Table?
Yeah, you said Oak Table, oakTable.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yep, yep.
Thank you all, the sponsors,for.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Sirens of the Springs and right now we have 34 women
signed up for that on Saturday,june 22nd, and we have some
super awesome catty bibs for theEvergreen Women's Series that I
am selling.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Those are rad.
I thought it was going to becorny, but those are cool and
neat how they turned out.
I'm not going to have anyproblem wearing one of those.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, it's unfortunate that you're going to
be working the booth, so youcan't even be my caddy for the
event.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm going to be selling cotton candy and popcorn
.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I might just bring those down from work.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
That's not a bad idea .
Really, we don't have any powerdown there.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
You don't need power.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
For cotton candy and popcorn.
What are they?
Run on kerosene Natural gas.
Cotton candy.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That could be bad.
I'm really not sure how thatone works.
I have a really hard timerunning the cotton candy machine
.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
But sugar burns too, so that one might be a good
thing, alright.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And then, after Sirens of the Springs, the
cotton candy sugar burns too, sothat one brought me up, all
right, and then, after sirens ofthe Springs.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
All right, so after sirens of the Springs you can
find us at the Fort Steilacoomopen, uh, saturday, june 29th
and 30th the Sunday.
And then my favoritecompetition is ladies of the
lake, and Danielle and Chuckalways put on a great tournament
, and that will be July 6th and7th over in Seattle.

(06:29):
And then, for whatever reason,we just signed up for the Pac-X
Disc Golf South Sound Classic,which is going to be July 19th
through the 21st, and it's goingto be at Delphi, shelton
Springs and Evergreen College.
And the last one we're signedup for is the fourth annual Rain
Shadow Open presented by theKitsap Great Escape, which we

(06:51):
love their escape rooms.
And so that is Saturday, july27th through 28th.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yep, trying to share the love any way we can to the
local disc golf community.
Come out and see us.
We'd love to see you and talkdisc golf with you and hopefully
we get to play together orwhatnot.
Let's talk about Sirens of theSprings a little bit more,
because I'm excited because wehave some sleeper sponsors.

(07:18):
I can't say who yet, but we'rehoping that we're going to bring
them on board somehow.
We also have.
Aren't you doing some otherextra little things to defeat
boredom or something I don'tknow?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes.
So I do have some additionalideas for some fun activities
that you could potentially doduring a tournament, and I can't
stress enough how different thewomen's events are from, say,
the men's events.
The women's events we tend tohave a lot more of the.
I guess I could say it's cutesy, fun stuff, like it's a big

(07:58):
party.
But I'm going to save some ofthose tips and tricks for our
next episode when we actuallytalk about players' packs and
running tournaments.
So I don't want to give some ofthose tips and tricks for our
next episode when we actuallytalk about players packs and
running tournaments.
So I don't want to give all ofmy secrets away yet because the
tournament hasn't happened yet.
But there are some fun littlethings that we're doing and it's
always nice to bring thecamaraderie together and just

(08:21):
keep it fun, because ultimately,I know it's stressful sometimes
and I get in my head when I'mplaying it's like man, I'm not
doing well or someone else isdoing better than me.
But you know what it's reallyabout having fun and being there
and being out there with likeminded people, so keeping it fun
.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And you know, husbands, wives, men,
significant others, come outhere and come out there and
support, um, the women's discgolf thing.
Like she said, it's a blast.
Uh, men are welcome, uh, kidscan come watch and stuff.
It's.
It's just a great time.
Everybody's happy to be thereand uh, support these ladies

(08:58):
because it means a lot to thesport and, um, you know, kind of
one of the last bastions forwomen to be able to play.
So let's, uh, let's go out andshow our love yes, we, uh.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
We would welcome anyone who wants to come out and
check out Shelton Springs at uhSaturday the 22nd too.
I mean it's not as big as a proevent, but you know what?
There's no reason you can'tcome by see what we're doing.
Shout out to the ladies andcheer them on, and they'd
probably get a kick out of it.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Who cares if it's not a pro event Like these ladies
are good.
I'm not even some of the likeyou know what you might call
like the lower divisions.
These ladies are good and youknow statistically.
You know, you look ateverything and they're in the
top 5% of disc golferseverywhere and that's a big deal

(09:49):
.
They're no joke and a lot oftimes when we play on MEDS cards
with them we get our buttkicked.
So it's not a farce.
These ladies are good.
You're going to get entertained.
It's going to be a great time.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
And I will put in a plug and say I think it's the
past two tournaments that youand I have been in together that
I've actually beat you.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Oh, them's fighting words.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, it's just facts.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Them's fighting Purely evil.
Oh my gosh, all right, soanyway, yeah, so.
So, uh, get ahold of us, comelike us, support us, uh, help us
with the algorithm.
Um, all those things I'msupposed to say.
And moving on to shout outs,shout outs, yes, um, part of the

(10:41):
inspiration for jumping intoaction with this episode is, uh,
we had a listener that a fan ofthe show, actually reach out to
us.
I wanted to give him a shoutout.
Let's hear it for JeffreyHarner out of Texas.
Thanks for reaching out andsharing the love.
Buddy, sometimes we need alittle kick in the pants to get

(11:03):
going.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
We sometimes we need a little kick in the pants to
get going so well.
I will go so far as to say thatI've been finishing up my admin
cert over the past year, soI've been working hard and then
working hard on schoolwork.
So that's everything was due onthe first.
So, yay, I have a little morefree time.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, you, you got a temporary, temporary move into a
deal and so now you're havingto do like three people's jobs
at the same time no joke.
So she's a busy bee for sure,and that, and going to school
full time and managing a family,she's a rock star and a

(11:44):
superhero for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Am I getting a cape?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Are you going to wear it at the next tournament, is
it?

Speaker 1 (11:54):
like the caddy bib, you're going to get capes.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Oh yeah, let's do that.
Instead of cape caddy bibs,let's make them all superhero
capes.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
No.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
No, no, okay, come on .
The caddies are awesome.
They are Like yeah, yeah, yeah,I'm.
You know, I was thinking aboutthis this morning.
I could really see a role beinginstituted where caddies have
to be designated somehow, likehave a button or a bib on or you

(12:26):
on, or be wearing a certaincolor, or something like that.
I could really see thathappening, so that there's not
that integration of caddies andaudience.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I think they have that for pro events.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Do they have that for pro events?

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Okay, I don't know, maybe no, because I see a lot of
them.
I see a lot of pros justwalking around kind of in their
clothes and they're just wearinga bag.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
The pros yes.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
No, they're support teams.
Alright, she's looking it up.
We got a rules check.
I need a sound effect for that.
You know I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Okay, I don't see anything specific about cat.
Nothing specific about cat, atleast not.
You have to designate one caddyat a time during the round.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Okay, so you're only allowed to have one.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Correct.
But they must follow, includingthe dress code.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, but there's not a separate dress code for
caddies that says you must weara identifiable bib that connects
you to a certain player.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
No, but I think it's probably best practice by this
point.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Oh, it's definitely best practice, because if the
caddy is the extension of theplayer, then they should be
easily connected to the player.
I would think that's justcommon sense.
I could see it coming,especially as the sport grows
and gets bigger.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
You're probably not wrong.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah for sure, especially at the pro level.
So, anyway, talking about thisepisode, talking about caddies
Wow, off the rails.
That's our MO, though, right,right, all right.
So this episode you get thoseemails before a tournament and

(14:33):
there's that lengthy, sometimesnot lengthy, but attachment of
all the neat pictures of theholes, and sometimes they're
very descriptive and helpful,and sometimes they're not.
And, uh, a lot of times atournament director will provide

(14:53):
them for you, um, or you canask for them.
You may even have to go outthere and get them yourselves,
but they are worth the effort ingetting there.
Yes, of course I am talkingabout that caddy book.
It is a fantastic tool we'regoing to discuss on how we use

(15:14):
ours and tips and tricks onthings that you can do with
yours to improve your scores andhelp you to regain your focus
on that day, maybe if you're notplaying so hot or maybe if you
are playing so hot, but you know, everyone's bound to make a
mistake and that caddy book cansave your butt even from making

(15:34):
those mistakes.
So we'll talk about that comingup right after this.
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fans out there.
We couldn't do this without ourfan support.
Uh, it'd be completelypointless.
So, thank you, thank you, thankyou, thank you so much.
And uh, so we are talking aboutcatty books on this episode.
Uh, today Jenny had thisbrilliant idea and I don't know,
I'm probably behind the curveon this and late to the party,

(17:11):
but you know, let's talk aboutit anyway.
Jenny had this brilliant ideaof printing out her caddy book
and making a little flip charttype thing where she could keep
notes and different things on it.
And, um, we really implementedthis in a big way.
Uh, what the first time was atfort stillicum, for what was the

(17:33):
event?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I can't remember the femme fatale event oh, the femme
fatale event.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's right.
Another one of the evergreenwomen series.
Uh, that's just a great thing.
Uh, not to get sidetracked, butto get sidetracked.
The evergreen women's series.
Uh run by women for women.
Uh, women athletes, women, uhtournament directors um, it's
just a great cause.
Uh, supporting women's discgolf.
So, uh, if you're a woman or ifyou're a man out there and uh

(18:00):
just wants to support women'sdisc golf, evergreen Women's
Series, so what?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
You said that like four times.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Oh, okay, well, all done with that then.
So would like to talk aboutthat experience using the caddy
book.
I was the caddy, so I was incharge of kind of keeping the
notes and different things andsome things that we'd do
differently, and then Jenny wasthe player, so she can maybe

(18:31):
talk about it from the player'sperspective and, you know,
discuss how it helped her andwhat it brought to the table for
her.
So what, what was your, whatwas your idea when you first,
like thought of this?
Like, what was your thoughtprocess here?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
so we had ran into, we ran into kayla.
Hi, kayla, we talk about you alot still, uh, we ran into kayla
and cat at stilly, because Iwanted to go out there and do a
practice round and I saw Kaylaon her phone.
I'm like, what are you doing?
She's like, oh well, I have aspreadsheet of all my discs and

(19:13):
notes on when to use them andthings like that.
So I asked her to share whather spreadsheet looked like with
me and it was really cool tosee the way that she thinks and
how she organized her discs.
And it was really cool to seethe way that she thinks and how
she organized her discs.
So she had a spreadsheet withhere's the disc, here's you know
all the specs, the manufacturer, the weight, the flight numbers

(19:34):
, and then she had notes aboutwhen it was the best time to use
that disc or what shots theywere good for.
So I did the same with my discs, as I duplicated her
spreadsheet and listed my discsthat way and I went out and
spent what was it?
two and a half hours with youout in the field a few hours but

(19:57):
trying to figure out um spotsthat I needed my discs and what
they do.
So that was on the spreadsheetas well.
And then I had gotten into thehabit last year of, before a
tournament, laying in bed when Ican't sleep and going through
trying to make those decisionsof what disc am I going to throw
, what am I aiming for?
And um, kind of taking the uh,some of the nerves out of

(20:22):
playing the tournament because Ialready have my decisions made
and I know what I want to do andabout where I want them to go.
So that visualization and so, um, they have really nice uh
pictures for Fort Steilacoom, um, and so when we got those from
Danielle I was like why don't Ijust actually draw this out on

(20:45):
the caddy book where I want mydisc to land and really game
plan it out?
What would it look like forthat round?
And so that's what reallyinspired me to actually use the
caddy books in that way isactually going through and
coming up with a plan so thatwhen I'm out there I already

(21:08):
know what disc I want to throwand where I aim, and at least
that takes the guesswork out of18 of my shots for a tournament
yeah, and any chance you canhave to simplify the game, uh,
is is a good thing.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Well, let's talk about that for a minute.
That's a great place to startis?
You know, in order to constructa caddy book accurately, you
have to.
Well, maybe let's define what acaddy book is.
So when you a caddy book iswhen, what Jenny did is she took

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the map of the course.
Fortunately, you know, some mapsare more detailed than others
and the more detailed the better, because important landmarks
and things are going to comeinto play later in the
discussion.
But take that map of the courseand line it up by hole, by hole
by hole, and basically be ableto do flip cards.
She punches a hole in it, putsa little binder clip in it so

(22:11):
that it all stays together, andhas little flip cards where we
can keep notes about all sortsof different things and we'll
talk about all of thosedifferent deals in a little bit.
But that's what a caddy book is.
It's just another tool to putin your little bit.
But that's what a caddy book is.
It's just another tool to putin your tool belt and once you
start using one, it's going tobecome an invaluable asset to

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your game in any given situation.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
And I can tell you that when we played the Cascade
Challenge that was probably myfourth tournament using the
caddy book, and when I was atround three of shelton so I'd
played it like five times I hadnotes was that a really crappy

(22:57):
day?
That was a really crappy dayand that was I was really um.
You know, I had some of ourlocal pros start following us
around and they were commentingon how good I was in the wind,
and it was because I had noteson what I needed to do so that I
could refer to those notes.
And I'd played it five timesand had my notes of what worked,

(23:21):
what didn't work.
And so I was really um.
It increased my confidence andit also took out the oh man.
I'm nervous because now I havesome pros watching me and I
don't want to have a bad shot,but it's like I've done this
five times.
I have the notes right here.
I just need to do this.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, and it seemed, it seems like it evolves too,
cause you know your first round,you take 18 shots out of the
equation.
The second round, you canessentially take what is 3 times
18?
, 72?
, no, 56?
Is it 56?
Yeah, you can take 56 shots outof the equation, essentially.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right every time you play you holes, or 18 shots
already planned out.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, and then and then, when you play more
subsequent rounds, you can addmore data to that and it uh
snowballs and you can get areally, really clear picture of
how to play that course and whatyour uh high percentage shots
are going to be are going to be.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
It also helps with um .
One place I'm at with my gameis um because I'm playing the
longer holes and I have a longerrange is not feeling like I'm
forced that I have to throw amid range or something smaller.
The second shot that it mighteven be better to do to like 250
foot shots with my driver andthat'll get me ultimately closer

(24:51):
.
So it takes some of theguesswork out and, honestly, it
takes away some of the need toneed one of the um range finders
.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, well, and so now we're getting back into kind
of where we are going.
Before the the detour to explainwhat a caddy book is, um, the
heart and soul of any caddy book, uh, not only is going to be
the course map, um, and yourgame plan, but the heart and
soul, what makes it all possible, is you need to construct
what's called a shot disc matrix, which is kind of what you were

(25:25):
talking about with Kayla andher spreadsheet.
That had all the stuff and I dothis and I do that.
And so what we did and Iimagine all the pros have done
this at some point or do itconstantly, if not before every
tournament figure out what yourdiscs are doing, figure out
their ranges, and not from ananecdotal point but from a hard

(25:51):
data point, because there areoptical illusions and things out
there on the course.
You might think thatsomething's 200 feet away, but
it's only 175.
Well, if you throw a 200-footdisc, it's going to go way, way,
way over the basket whenthere's your bogey putt.
So it's important to go out andconstruct this thing.

(26:12):
So, jenny, when we went out anddid that field exercise just
kind of talk me through it whatdid we do?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Well, first you badgered me into watching.
Watching Holland Handley'svideo on what is it that you're
subscribed to?
Is it Power?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Disc Golf oh Power Disc Golf.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, Power Disc Golf Academy.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
And that one talked about taking your discs and
filling 12 slots in your bagwith your overstable,
understable, neutral and yourdriver's mids, putters and
fairway drivers, something likethat.
It was like there's like 12 to16 different slots and it's a
great video.

(27:01):
It kind of changed the way thatI was thinking about my discs
anyways, because they have theflight numbers and the flight
numbers are going to dosomething different depending on
each person because of how theythrow and their mechanics and
there's all sorts of factors init.
So finding out which discs dowhat for you which is very much

(27:24):
what we're about is finding outwhat your game is, as opposed to
, like Brandon and I have verydifferent games.
So whenever he tells me that,oh, that disc is an Innova, this
or an Innova that it's likedude, that means nothing because
I don't throw Innova.
But being able to make thoseconnections of you know, here's
my most under stable disc.
Here's my reliable straightdisc.

(27:44):
Here's my most understable disc.
Here's my reliable straightdisc.
Here's my.
I need to do a go to the right,whatever that's called, or if I
need to do a long pushing hyzerTurnover.
Yeah, that one.
Force turnover.
Yeah.
So, knowing what those discsare, we went out in the field
and you're like here, I put allthese cones out, now pretend
they're trees and throw aroundthem and it's.

(28:07):
It's kind of hard to do but it,I mean it works.
But it's like wow, that is thesmallest tree I've ever tried to
go around, so it was.
It was fun trying to figure outthat and it made a big
difference and I cleaned a lotof discs out of my bag that day
yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
So what the what the field work drill is that we did?
We were constructing a discshot matrix, and so this is
going to give us some importantinformation.
That's hard data.
We can get basically an averageidea of where her discs are
going to break.
So when the turn and the fadeswitch over, that's the point at

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which the turn switches over tothe fade and the disc turns
over and starts going to theground.
So the bite point is reallyimportant because then you can
know when you know things aregoing to move around on you and
what you can expect from that,and also understanding the
different shots and techniquesand things that you can get out
of some of these different discs.

(29:10):
So when we went out to do thefield work, the drill that we
set up was it was we put threecones to mark three throwing
positions One center, one about20 foot to the left of that, one
, 20 feet to the left of that,one 20 feet to the right of that
.
So if you imagine somethinglike a soccer field, uh, along
the one of the lines, probablylike uh, down by the goal

(29:32):
somewhere, the goalie box, um,put three cones, one on each
corner and one in the middle.
We were in an open field whenwe did this, but a soccer field.
This could give you a goodvisual of the different lines
and things painted on it.
So, uh, from the small, uhpenalty goalie box is the um is
one center, one on one cone onthe right, one cone on the left

(29:55):
corner.
And then, uh, we took our rangefinder and planted three cones
at 150 feet out, in line withthose same cones that we just
put on the line as best we can.
We just eyeballed it, you knowfairly well.
And then we put our basket, ourpractice basket, 200 feet out,

(30:20):
and the reason that we chosethose distances was because it's
about 75% of Jenny's rangeoverall, maybe 70-75% of Jenny's
overall range.
So it would be a good chuck,but it would not be taxing so

(30:41):
much on our arms, so that wecould throw a lot and figure out
what's going on there.
Start off at the lower ranges,because that's where you're
going to make your initial cutsand everything, and then, as you
progress, you're going to bemaking less throws because
you're throwing less discs.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
We also use that to help me determine how many discs
I need to throw to get warmedup.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Oh, that's right.
We kept a shot count and uh,made sure that um, or or found
out about the range whereJenny's feeling warmed up and
and so now we throw that manyshots between before each
tournament.
Uh, so that's another thingthat we derive from going out
there and actually doing somefield work and taking some data.

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And the more active you are indisc golf, the less time it's
going to take you to warm up.
So if you play a round or two aday, it's going to take you
less time to get warmed up thenext day and the next day and
the next day, especially if youfall into a groove day and the
next day and the next day,especially if you fall into a

(31:47):
groove, um.
But like Seth Muncy said lastyear, you can't emphasize enough
the importance of a good warmup.
And so we put the basket over at, uh, 200 feet out of the center
cone, um, out from the centercone.
So the entire setup is think oflike a big 200 foot house
looking shape, anyway.
So what we did is we took abutt ton of discs out there and

(32:08):
Jenny threw some of herfavorites and went through some
of those she was kind ofwishlisting and seeing if they
worked or not.
And we went through, went fromthe center cone and just tried
to throw out towards the basket.
And then we went around theright side cone and the right
side cone or left side cone andthen switch positions and went
to like the far right uhthrowing position, and went

(32:33):
around each of the cones to theleft on like an anhyzer line.
And then we went to the otherside and did the hyzer lines uh,
from the far left position,around each one of the cones to
see what the disc did.
And we so the discs at 150 feet.
They were strictly out therejust to measure what's happening

(32:55):
at that interval, so that itwas easy math.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
And then, once we made our initial cuts, that was
only for mids and putters, andthen we went out 50 feet further
for the drivers oh, that'sright, that's what we did yeah
so anyway.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Um so, after we made the initial cuts and everything,
uh went through and tested themagain, right?
Yeah, I made some cuts and thenwent through them like twice
went through through them liketwice, made some more cuts and
got it down to what would yousay, maybe five or six discs.
I think I ended up with like 12in putters 12 in putters, okay,

(33:39):
and then you only had a fewdrivers that you ended up with.
So then, like she said, wemoved the whole setup out
another 50 feet.
So we moved the measuring conesout to 200 feet and we moved
the basket out to 250 feet andthen we had her throw her
drivers and measure what theydid.

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What they did, and, being thatwe knew the width of our setup
there, which was 40 feet, and weknew the length of our setup,
we could set up a grid and withthat grid we could figure out
flight patterns.
We could figure out rightexactly where those things break
.
You know those flight chartsthat you see on the walls in

(34:22):
your disc golf shops.
Well, they actually do meansomething.
However, if I could throw likethose charts, say that those
discs are supposed to fly, thenI would be really, really,
really good.
So what's most important hereis to make sure that you create
your own flight chart in a waythat's going to make sense to

(34:43):
you, going to be measurable,give you concrete data and
actually be representative ofthe way that the discs that are
in your bag fly for yourparticular style of game Last
year when I did the clinic withElla and Holland and they said,

(35:04):
now that you have your mechanicsdown, you're going to start
throwing the disc and it's justgoing to flip over.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
And because your disc is now flying the right way,
having those really understablediscs that we start with aren't
going to keep working for youthat way.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Well, let's talk about that for a second.
I get sidetracked again.
But, Jenny, keep working foryou that way.
Well, let's talk about that fora second, get sidetracked again
.
But Jenny, your form has come aboatload of, made a boatload of
progress.
Like I think that you'veprobably between last year and
this year, you've added ahundred feet to your stroke.
Like, what are you doingdifferently?
What's helping you out?

(35:41):
Like that's a great point thatyou just brought up that I'll
stick in there somewhere so lastyear I spent the year doing
stand stills.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I only did stand stills and I worked on the uh,
what I thought was throwing flat, just working on those
mechanics without a walk-up,towards the end of last year and
then this year I have nowreincorporated a walk-up and

(36:15):
it's not with the walk-up andthe stand stills, it's less
about throwing the disc and justhaving really good mechanics
and not trying to throw the disc, it just goes you're talking
about with your, with your newform?
yeah, yeah, and I've gone up toI'm no longer throwing

(36:38):
lightweight discs, I'm throwinglike max weight discs yeah what
I never thought I could what areyour f9s?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
you're like 178 something like that.
73 and yeah, and they, theyflip up like no problem.
Yep, yeah, they're, and that'sbecause of the rotations and the
spin that you're generating onthose things, like they're going
100 extra feet.
Uh, you know, we got that onesnapshot of you and it was like
perfect, it could have been onlike Sports Illustrated.

(37:05):
It was such good form.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
If Sports Illustrated ever had disc golf.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I think wasn't Paul McBeth on Sports Illustrated at
some point.
I don't know, I thought he was,or was it Men's Health or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
No clue?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I don't know.
I don't know, just some littledisc golf trivia lore yeah, paul
McBeth.
Yeah, when he did disc golf's$10 million man or something
like that, I don't know Whateverit is.
Anyway, caddy books.
All right.
So, um, we're talking aboutyour disc shot matrix.
So we got a lot of valuableinformation from, uh, that drill

(37:42):
in particular, uh, where yourdisc cuts over, how far it's
going to cut over from left toright.
Uh, how far you can throw inrealistic terms.
Um, you know, I'm going to saythis about my fellow gentlemen
out there Um, throwing 400 feetis a long way, uh, throwing 300

(38:04):
feet as a long way if youactually go out there and
measure it.
So you know, the old talkaround the water cooler or the,
uh, the port-a-potty before atournament, as it may, is, uh,
you know, oh, yeah, this, this,I could throw 400 feet or
whatever.
And, uh, you know, and I doubtany of these guys have actually

(38:26):
gone out there and reallymeasured it.
So the whole point of doingthis field exercise is to be
really, really honest withyourself, measure everything and
really understand the backboneof how your game works and where
those things end up flying tobackbone of how your game works

(38:49):
and where those things uh end upflying to.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
So yeah, because I know the thing is like distance,
like how far can you throw?
And it's like, oh, I can barely.
Like I remember I would throwuh like 12 shots on a hole and I
can make it like 30 feet.
Well, watching people that arejust starting, it's because they
don't actually have themechanics.
And once you have the mechanics, the distance comes with that.
And, honestly, the courses thatwe play here in Washington, I

(39:13):
mean we're not up at kayak wherewe need 600 feet.
Like there are plenty of shotslike Freddy's over here.
I don't think anything's above300 and it's, it's more of a
approach game very short andtechnical courses with a lot of
obstacles and I think one of thecomments I heard about the pros

(39:34):
at shelton was they appreciatedthat the shelton course they
actually had to bring out, bringout their mid-ranges, because a
lot of the pro courses it'sjust distance, distance distance
driver putter, but with theshort technical approaches or
short technical shots theyactually get a chance to use
other discs that they don't useas often.

(39:55):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
At least not for pro events,maybe for just for fun, for sure
.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Hey, real quick though, shout out to Connor
O'Reilly, like that guy's aclass act and he just he stood
there and kind of chatted withme for a minute and he signed
all the kids discs andeverything.
Just a heck of a nice guy andglad he made it up here to, uh,
you know, play our little courseup here in shelton washington
and shout out to kirby too,kirby snyder, for also uh

(40:21):
letting the kids uh kind of fanaround him too so thank you,
kirby, kirby's the man, kirby'sgood guy and then didn't we sick
james on uh clint clint, ohyeah, we clint you know it was
so.
It was so funny because I waswalking around with Mariah and

(40:44):
Mariah was like are these, arereally the guys we see on TV,
like who's that?
Like well, that's Chandler Fry,and there's, you know, vino,
what, how do you say it?
Vino, makala, that's how yousay it.
Yeah, vino, and who?
Else was on that ticket, I know, but the big one was.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Nico and well, and I was like hey, I'm like hey.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Mariah.
Who else was on that ticket, Iknow, but the big one was Nico.
Well, and I was like, hey, I'mlike, hey, mariah, there's
Nicholas Ansela.
I'm like you've seen him on TV,right, he's been on coverage a
lot, and she's like I don't know, no, I don't know.
And then she finally got a goodlook at him and it was like, oh

(41:27):
, they look different in reallife, right?
Yeah, yeah yeah.
But shout out to those guys andthanks for everybody that made
the trip up to Shelton to playthe Q series up there in Shelton
.
That was a blast.
So, anywho, yeah, back to Kennybooks.
We keep getting bouncing allover the place.

(41:48):
It is a true intentional discgolfer podcast.
We are just off the rails.
So, yeah, the disc, the discshot, matrix, this is your
flight chart that you makeyourself, and it needs to be
honest about how the uh discsfly for you, because everybody's
different, everybody's armspeed is different, and one

(42:11):
thing that we've learned fromthis in this fieldwork drill is
some of the ideals that you know.
We think that in a perfect world, this is how this would work is
that you would have some formof this right before each
tournament, or at least theimportant ones, where you could

(42:33):
go through each one of yourdiscs and you knew how those
discs were flying under thatelevation, under those weather
conditions the heat, thehumidity, all that kind of good
stuff and really kind of get itdialed in for which area.
If you're a traveling discgolfer, if you're a weekend
warrior like us, you can skip afew or whatever, maybe

(42:56):
recalibrate mid-season, but thekey to this is that the more
data you collect, the moredialed in your game is going to
be and the more informationyou're going to have, and
information is never a bad thing.
There's such thing as badinformation, but never
information being a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
This is Seth Muncy from Disc Golf Strong.
Thank you for listening to theIntentional Disc.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Golfer Podcast Great to have you here.
So understanding your disc shotmatrix is going to help you to
form your caddy book when you goout and you start actually
gathering data out there on thecourse.
And so, like Jenny, when wewent and played the practice

(43:41):
round at Silicon, what kind ofdata do we collect?
And everything on that wedidn't actually have the book
then.
Oh, that's right, we had it attournament day, right.
But we did make a few notes,like in your phone and whatnot.
It seems like a lot of peoplehave some form of this right.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yes and whatnot.
It seems like a lot of peoplehave some form of this right yes
and no, but the thing is isthat a lot of people get in the
moment and then they don'tfollow their game plan.
And when, honestly, part of thegame is when you see people no
longer following their plan, youknow that either something's
really changed or they're, youknow, really scrambling.
So with the caddy books, like Isaid, I use this for notes for

(44:23):
me of what disc I would throwfor my drive, kind of where I'm
aiming for or where my preferredlanding zone would be, and then
also, like courses like Shelton, it's like, okay, so wind, what
would be my alternate disc ifthere's wind?
What?
What is my game plan there?
So that I already have twopotential shots that are, um,

(44:45):
significantly more likely tohappen than you know the million
things that could happen.
And that way at least I have agame plan.
So then when I get out there Itake those notes and it's like,
yes, this worked or nope, thatwas a really bad idea.
I should.
And then between rounds I cango back and check my notes and
see if I want to keep something,change something, depending on

(45:07):
whether, how I'm feeling how thedisc is doing like it's.
It's a good place to haveeverything written down.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
That's intentional, and it also doesn't look like
you're on your phone that's agood point about not being on
your phone, yeah, and not likepaying attention.
Yeah, I've come to dislikestrongly technology as of lately
.
Ideally you would startconstructing your caddy book
like before the before any kindof tournament round, um, and,

(45:36):
like I said, collecting as muchdata as possible.
The more data the better, butat least you owe it to yourself
to put in a practice roundbefore the tournament and fill
out your caddy book.
Then, if you have it by then,but fill it out, then Maybe
contact your local disc golfassociation and see if they can

(45:57):
send you the media file orsomething.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
So not all of them have the media file.
So a lot of the times if thecourse has the picture at the
tee box, take a picture of itand then you can edit it on word
or the other option is, if it'son you disc and it has the the
smart course where you can seeit through the picture, you can
screenshot that and make thatinto a caddy book as well, oh no

(46:23):
kidding, you can do that too.
Yeah, that's what I had to dofor one of the courses.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Oh, that's nifty, yeah, that's a cool trick, yeah,
and so you owe it to yourselfto go out and play a practice
round.
I mean, if you're weekendwarriors like us, you can make
it to pretty much any of thecourses that you're playing in
half a day or whatever, and beable to play it real quick and
be home for dinner.
But that'll give you the chanceto at least experiment with

(46:53):
some of your ideas and get somefeedback on that.
So you're very clear ontournament day, if you can't do
that, I mean, show up early foryour tournament and walk the
course.
Um, and I even suggest walkingthe course backwards.
Start at 18 basket and walkbackwards through the course,
and you'll be.

(47:13):
It'll be interesting to see you.
There'll be different gaps,different lines that you can see
and, uh, you know, figure outyour shots from there and then
stand on the tee pad and shootsome distances with a range
finder.
Um, you know two importantlandmarks like, say, there's a
big tree right in the middle ofthe fairway, about 155 feet out.

(47:33):
Well, actually, stand on theedge of the tee box and shoot it
with your uh range finder andcome to find out.
Oh well, that tree is actuallymaybe 200 feet out, and it just
looks closer because it's very,very narrow and takes up a lot
of space.
And so that would be importantbecause you could take that data
, put it against your disc shotmatrix and select a disc that.

(47:54):
Oh well, you know what I need adisc that's not going to break
until like 250 feet, becausethat's where the corner of the
fairway is, and so all of thatinformation can be put into a
decision-making process to take,you know, multiple shots off of
your game.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Well then, if you don't have time to say, run the
course, or you're worried aboutrunning it blind, it's once you
have your game down to kind ofmore of a mathematical equation
where it's you know this discdoes this.
At this distance you can kindof go through a caddy book or a
picture of the course and befairly confident in planning out

(48:34):
your game in the way that it'sgoing to work through yeah, and
like you, you know that's agreat point.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
A lot of the local pros, um, and even some of the
tour pros that we've talked toare, you know, reduce your game
down to the simplest factors,take as much guesswork out of it
as completely possible, andmaybe you know, if you have the
opportunity, boil it down tothat one thing that you can
control whether it be your form,whether it be your line,
whether it be your dis-selection, it can be a ton of different

(49:03):
things.
So you know the sky's the limit.
But you know, simplify is agood tip that I've been getting
from a lot of the pros andhigher and stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
It's also something I've been trying to get you to
do for a while as well I, butyou know what.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I'm married, so I can't ever admit that you got me
on something.
Okay, I already married you.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
It's it's husband law well to all the fans out there
that actually like my advicecertainly let brandon know that
it might be worth listening.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Oh, is this going on the blooper reel?
All right.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
No, that's, that's oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yeah, I know we are in discussions about creating a
blooper reel this year, so, uh,that might not be so family
friendly, I don't know yet.
Well, it'll all be done in goodtaste though.
Huh.
Well, it'll all be done in goodtaste though, yeah.
So mark out distances on yourcaddy book, and if you have that
shot, matrix, and have thatdialed in, it might change your
mind about a lot of differentdecisions that you're making,

(50:09):
and especially understanding ifyour disc is going to break
right, break left, how far off acenter it's going to finish,
and if you have your own flightchart, you can pretty much map
out the course.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah Cause, by that time then it's just kind of
watching the game and it's like,yep, that worked, nope, that
didn't.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, yeah.
So like when we, when I was outthere, actually um taking uh
notes during the round, um, Someof the things that I, you know,
I kept detailed notes on thisand some of the things that I
took down were, like,environmental information, Like
was there a wind that day?
Because it was a rough day.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
So I only put certain notes on my caddy book and
there was space that I'm like,okay, I'm going to have notes
for a while.
No, brandon wrote likeparagraphs of notes of things
that I'm like I don't care aboutthat, like I get, that's how he
thinks and that's his game, butthose aren't the notes that I
wanted.
That would have helped me theway that I think well it's.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
It's that kind of stems from a conversation and
also kind of a common complaintabout UDisc and other
data-keeping things for discgolf.
It doesn't really tell thewhole story.
It's like, okay, you're keepingstats on your stuff and you go
off the fairway.
Well, how far off the fairwayDid you have an open line?

(51:35):
Are you behind a bush?
Are you buried in a holesomewhere?
It doesn't tell the whole story, you know, and like, circle one
isn't always the same as beingon the green, because sometimes
there's a you know bigrhododendron right there
blocking your way.
So, uh, you can keep moredetailed information and shot

(51:57):
type information, whether yourputt was obstructed or not,
whether it's uphill, downhill,you know, sidewind, whatever.
You can do all of those things.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Plus, if you have a caddy book on paper like the
ladies that I played with, theyactually saw that I printed mine
out and so they printed one outtoo, but they were smart and
they put it in like a Ziploc bagbecause it was raining.
I didn't do that because Iwanted to take notes.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Which comes down to tip.
Number two is if I were to dothe caddy book over again, is
we're going to have to figureout some way to protect it from
water in case of bad weather?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Well, I told you that I wanted to laminate them, but
then you have to take notes withlike a Sharpie or a marker, and
it can change.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Well, as soon as water gets on there, it's going
to wash away the marker, so it'spointless.
Anyway.
So when we were out playing theround, because we did not do
our caddy book ahead of time, wehad kind of a basic idea.
Because we did not do our caddybook ahead of time, we had kind
of a basic idea because we hadplayed the course a few times.
As far as, like, the first shotgoes, what are you talking

(53:06):
about?

Speaker 1 (53:06):
When we went to Stilicum, I had it planned out.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
The whole.
Thing.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, so I had the entire when I did it.
For actually every tournamentI've played since April I have
had a caddy book that I printout and I pre-plan every shot
I'm going to make and I takenotes on what things could
potentially change that shotokay, so you you put it in there

(53:30):
as degree of change well, likeI would write f9 or roadrunner,
depending on what I need, or orF9, slash Diamond, and then when
I actually went out there likeso the one from Shelton right
here, like it has it'scompletely destroyed, hence the

(53:54):
waterproof.
Yeah, but it has all the noteslike where I landed and what I
threw.
And then it's if I haven't madeany new notes, like I know that
that worked well and so it wasjust check.
Yep, that's the first shot.

(54:15):
And then, as I went through, Iactually started making them
with okay, if I land here, throwthis, land here, throw that.
Okay, I need to learn to notthrow my putter 50 feet past the
basket, that type of thing.
That type of thing, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Good stuff, yeah.
So we sat down and we plannedit out the night before we did
that for me.
You have yet to actually do itwell, it's when you play a
course so much you do some formof this anyway inside your brain
because you like, like, say,like nad park, I know basically

(54:59):
about every single shot in everysingle position that I could
throw if I had an ideal roundand I'm going to disagree with
you, because we are trying to beintentional and if you want to
be more intentional about thegame, you need to write it down
on paper with purpose and thenfollow the plan because I think,
I think if you do this for thenext tournament, if you actually
plan this out for the WindfallMasters, you are going to have a

(55:21):
huge increase in how well youdo in the game.
Well, we're going to need to godown there and put in some work.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I've played Evergreen enough that I can look at the
caddy book from here.
I mean, we just played.
It was it last weekend?
There's a few holes that I'mstill not 100 on well, I'm not
saying no, I am saying that,however, you should be able to
still plan it out from.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I can get a pretty, I can get a pretty good idea for
sure, for sure.
But, um, yeah, so we, weplanned this thing out and had a
.
You know we played the courseenough that we had it pretty
much memorized.
But we I remember this we saton the couch now that you're
jogging my memory we sat on thecouch and figured out like

(56:07):
landing zones, different places,lines to the basket.
You know we even marked outimportant distances, or no, that
was the next day.
You know we even marked outimportant distances, or no, that
was the next day, and we got afairly detailed idea of what the
game plan is going in the nextday.

(56:33):
And Jenny, did you find yourselfthrowing some different disc
selections than you maybe?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
would have normally thrown.
Yeah, so going through, I knowI sound sad.
So I bought some really prettydiscs and I just finally bought
the duplicates of those discs.
And those discs are, uh, now ina pile right here under our um
kitchen bar counter becausethey're not in my bag anymore.
So I got to add in some dreamdiscs like the Thought Space.

(57:01):
I just think they're beautifuland I actually now have one in
my bag, so I'm happy about that.
But going through this, it waswell.
I really don't need to keep amamba in my bag when I can do
the exact same thing with amantra and do it better, and it

(57:21):
just works better.
So, yes, we had it all plannedout and going through these
steps of figuring out sorry,figuring out what the discs do
for me and becoming moreintentional with the game,
simplifying as much aspossible's.
Now I have discs thati can dodifferent shots with, with a lot

(57:45):
of the same mechanics.
They fill the same hole thathaving two would be.
And then I'm not oh, do I wantthe uh mamba or do I want the
mantra, like I?

Speaker 3 (57:55):
the question's gone, because I only have one yeah,
each disc in your bag has aspecific purpose and it's not
necessarily there to you know,just because you like it to be
there.
Yeah, yeah, each one of thosediscs is assigned a specific
shot shape and then a backup ofeach disc yeah, so I also have

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um.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I've gone through and and tried to get the exact same
disc as much as possible, sonow I have one in my um.
Typically it's in my cart andthen I've I take um.
I have all my discs in theputter pouch, so that's how few
discs I have.
Is they all fit in a largeputter pouch?
And then I usually keep asecond set of the same discs in
the cart and those are mybackups in case I lose one or

(58:44):
something like whatever.
If I think it would reallythrow off my game by not having
that disc, I'll put theduplicate in my cart, along with
all my water and my coats andmy towels and all the things
that moms might need extra,extra snacks for my caddy, you
know, canoe oar.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yep the trolling motor.
Yep Bug zapper, gotta have it.
Yep, the tennis racket Tennisracket that was a revelation in
this house.
You know, I've always wantedone of those electric tennis
racket things Ever since I was akid, and they are just so darn
cool.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I'm still terrified.
My mom would never let me haveone.
She would never let me have one.
I don't understand it.
Back to disc golf.
Yeah, but so I?

Speaker 3 (59:28):
actually, the flies are so freaking big that we had
to zap them twice he's not wrong, they're well-fed flies, let me
, she is so anyways okay back tothe disc golf bag.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
So I have, uh, two bags.
I have my go bag and then Ihave my tournament discs and it,
it.
It actually is helping me tolearn my discs more.
And also I have my second setof discs that are starting to
get used and beat in as much asmy tournament discs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Yeah, so you like, if you lost one in a tournament,
you could switch over and itwould be very, very similar to
what you're throwing already.
There wouldn't be much of atransition.
So what you're kind of talkingabout is like disc cycling Sure,
sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I don't know what disc cycling means other than
brandon's decided we need to godown to see matt at 360 and we
come home with a bunch morediscs like that's the cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
My bank account goes down every time we walk in the
door.
Um, but no, it's uh.
Uh.
Thanks for supporting us.
360 disc golf, or are wesupporting them?
I don't know.
I think it's mutual.
It's probably mutual.
You know, scratch my back, I'llscratch yours, type of thing.
I can't sing their praisesenough.

(01:00:46):
They're great people down thereand they know their stuff when
it comes to disc golf.
Been in business for what?
A ton of years, yeah, enough.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Didn't they just celebrate like their 20th or
something?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
20th year anniversary , the biggest pro shop in the
Pacific Coast.
I thought it was Something likethat.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know, it's discgolfer heaven.
But anyway, what were wetalking about?
Oh, yeah, so disc cycling.
Disc cycling is understanding,understanding your discs,

(01:01:21):
stability as the plastic breaksdown and kind of making sure
that your discs stay in asimilar zone as to what you're
used to throwing Um, because youknow we've all had that, that
sidewinder, that's a you know,overstable, overstable,
overstable, and all of a suddenone day it flips up and flies
straight and it's like, oh crap,you know what I mean.

(01:01:45):
So keeping track of that kind ofstuff is another thing that you
can use your disc shot matrixfor is understand the different
weights and flight patterns ofdifferent discs and how they
morph and change over time.
Right, jenny?

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah, I would say I haven't experienced that
probably as much as you have,and I don't know.
I hit a lot of trees a lotharder I was going to say I
don't know if it's because youhit more trees or you just throw
harder, but I haven'texperienced it as much in my
game so far.

(01:02:22):
Now that's not saying that I'mstarting to experience it now,
because I am starting to like Inotice the difference between my
two bags.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Well, I think it just goes to say the more consistent
you get, the more you're goingto notice these small, you know,
differences in flight paths andweights and different things
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
You're probably right .

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yeah, the more you hone in on the bullseye, the
more stuff there is going to bearound you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
All right, so back to caddy books.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Back to caddy books.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Brandon, if you actually were to set up your
caddy book, all right.
What information do you thinkyou should have in there?

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
well, I'll, I'll go off of your caddy book, because
you have a blank one right there.
I know I have a blank one rightthere, but I'll go off of like
what I did with your caddy bookis so I Well hold on before you
go there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I do want to know if the stuff you put in my caddy
book is actually the stuff youwould want in yours.
Yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Yes, what I would want in my caddy book is I want
hard data, I want things youknow.
I want to know wind speeds.
I want to know if there's a bigdownhill.
You know what is to know windspeeds.
I want to know, uh, if there'sa big downhill, you know what is
it Is it about?
You know guesstimate is it 50feet, 30 feet, 20 feet, whatever
?
Uh, is it five feet?
You know?
Is your putt uphill?
Is your putt downhill?

(01:03:48):
Um, did I already say windspeeds?
I already said wind speeds.
You know, um, you know if you?
Uh disselection.
So what I'll do is I'll put alike a little number one, uh, on
the side.
Well, first of all, let's,let's walk through this.
Well, I'll go, I'll go from thestandpoint of, like when I was
caddying for you.
I don't always caddy for Jenny,so you know, maybe she doesn't

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always have time to keep thenotes that I would keep, or, and
it's also differences in justnote taking and stuff I would
keep, or, and it's alsodifferences and just, well, note
taking and stuff.
But no, I like to keep datapoints, things that I can
measure, because those arethings that I can interpret and
duplicate in certain situations.
I try to be very scientificabout it and make it into quite

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literally a math problem, likewhat you're saying, and so I try
to.
I try to take down as many datapoints as as possible and,
being that I had the luxury todo this for you, uh in round,
what am I trying to say here?

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
you're talking about data points, and let me tell you
that when I was the scorekeeperlast year at the cascade
challenge, the player who wasthe most about their stats was
Niklas.
He was all about his stats.
He would come over and talk tome and make sure that I put
things into UDisc at the timethe way that you know, the way

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that he saw it too, and so itwas um.
As a a math teacher, I trulyenjoyed hearing how much he
cared about his stats and hisdata points.
So you're saying that it'simportant to quantify as many
things as possible so that youcan take out any possible
variables when you're looking atthe way your game plays.
So talk about your data points.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Thank, you, jamie, some of the things uh like.
So take, for example, ford,still a come of, uh, you know a
lot of.
You are probably not familiarwith it, but uh, right off the
tee box it's uh kind of a youknow slow pushing uh turnover
shot off to the right If you'rea right-hand backhand player, um
, and there's a big downhill,probably, I would say I don't

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know 20, 25 feet downhill.
Downhill right in front of thetee bed, um, and the basket is
also down there too.
So I would take all of thosenotes into consideration.
What I would do is I would, youknow, write the you know
decline of the shot.
Uh, when we're covering that,so off the tee box, it would be,
of course you know shot one iswhen we'd have to deal with that

(01:06:18):
, so off the tee box, it wouldbe, of course you know shot one
is when we'd have to deal withthat, so shot one.
I put a little one next to theyou know shot and I'd take some
notes of you know what was mywind like, what were the
conditions, like you know, maybeyou know if I had a strong wind
, I'll put you know wind, youknow, 10 to 15 miles an hour
from right to left or left toright, you know, headwind,

(01:06:38):
tailwind, whatever it may be, uh, and then I make note of which
disc I used and or was beingused.
Not me, it was Jenny, jenny wasplaying.
But make, uh, make note of whatdisc was used and what it did.
Uh, and the conditions at thetime.
Um, you know, may I make ageneral note of what the
temperature was outside?

(01:06:59):
Um, because, you know, just flydifferent in different
temperatures.
If you're one of those placesin the United States or the
world that, uh, you know,experiences the four seasons
like we do, uh, you know, youknow, in winter discs don't fly
quite as far as they do in thesummertime, when it's nice and
like 80 degrees outside.
So, um, knowing thetemperatures is important

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information to have.
But I just say that forbasically the day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
So what you're talking about is you're talking
about the things that you wouldadd as being the caddy and not
the person playing.
If you're filling out yourcaddy book while you're playing,
you also need to remember paceof play, so you're not able to
necessarily get as many notes aswhat Brandon's talking about
yeah, so a lot of times for me,though.

(01:07:46):
I wanted to add that I did somesmiley faces like some frowny
faces, and I also think ithelped to play into my game of I
was able to express myfrustration right then and there
, or my excitement, and thenmove on oh, that's a good point
to help with the mental game.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Yeah, for sure, yeah so, um, yeah so, whatever kind
of environmental data, you werehere, but the uh, you know you
were, you're talking a bit aboutthe mental game and uh, so I
know that it's like there was acouple of shots, like you know,
maybe you like hit the firstavailable tree, just for example
, because that happens a lothere in Washington, no matter

(01:08:23):
who you are.
Um, but uh, you know we, Ithink we would make a note real
quick, like in the caddy book,like shot one, like frowny face
or something like that, or youknow, grr, you know something
like that, or not even you know,not even write anything, just
blank, because you ticked off atit.

(01:08:44):
Uh, so that that aspect of ithelped you to get out of that
funk and just kind of deal withit, right then.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
And there, yeah, I think it did help a little bit
because, even with theexcitement like of getting a
birdie, little bit yeah, becauseeven with the excitement like
of getting a birdie, I actuallywas able to string a few
together at shelton, because I'mserious though I know, but did
you ever read your caddy book?
What it said.
Why from stillicum?

(01:09:14):
No from shelton yeah, it'sright here.
Yeah, yeah, this is my caddybook was it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
was it from silton?
Yeah, it's right here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah, this is my caddy book.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Was it from Stelecombe?
It was the last one you playedHoneybee.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Oh no, I haven't read that one yet.
Oh yeah, you should check thatone out, but trying to stay
within a neutral zone so notoverexcited and not upset.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
so in between there, Well, that's interesting, so you
know upset, so in between there, well, that's interesting, so
that.
So that works kind of as like amental reset for you is to make
that quick little note and havethat, have that moment, and
then it's like it's there, it'sout there, it's no longer inside
of you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
I never thought about that like that, but that's very
it's like journaling,therapeutic journaling.
Well, you know, JordanPeterson's been talking a lot
about this self-journaling,self-authoring program thing
that he's you know.
From what I can tell it soundslike it's a good idea and that
it may be helpful.
Yeah, environmental information, but also other data points

(01:10:15):
that we can have, is talk aboutwhat disc you use, you know, and
that could change from oneround to the next and most often
does, depending onenvironmental conditions, Is it?
raining outside If it's superwet and the ground's wet and

(01:10:36):
it's raining and miserable.
That would probably be animportant distinction to note on
your caddy book.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
With ours.
I don't have to denote itbecause well, the corners are
worn away and half the stuff isjust pink all over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Yeah Well, you can use a pink pen on your caddy
book.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
I don't know, you can use whatever pen color you want
, I know, but I'm saying that itdisappeared.
It just melted into the paper.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
It did One way or another.
It helped your game mentally.
It helped you get back on theprogram, because I remember
there was a couple holes it didnot go the way you planned,
right off the tee box, if I canthink of, like number nine at
Fort Sillicum, where it went upinto the weeds on the right side
.
You can move on at any point intime, oh yeah, but no, what I'm

(01:11:30):
saying is that you only Ibelieve you still took a par on
that because you were able toshake that off.
You looked at your book andfigured the game plan.
You had a backup for this andmade the adjustment, and part of
your success on that hole wasgoing back to your shot matrix

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and understanding the adjustmentfrom that location.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
It wasn't going back to the shot, matrix, it was
going just back to the plan.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
But sometimes don't you have to?
Sometimes, when you're goingback to the plan, don't you have
to modify aspects of it now andagain, like, say, if the plan
was to end up left and you endedup right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Yes.
However, I'm not actually goingback to like my notes that are
the shot matrix, like I know alot of my friends do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
We do some form of this in one way or another.
This is more talking aboutactually putting it down on
paper and looking at what's infront of you from a purely data
standpoint and trying to makethose connections and

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interpretations.
Because I know I'm surprised atwhat I've found and, jenny, you
were surprised at what youfound.
You're going out there thisyear with a whole entire new bag
.
Um, I've got six molds in mybag that I haven't really thrown
that before because they justwork in different ways you've

(01:13:09):
also started like a loneone Starbag and now you have a discraft
bag, like it's peculiar.
I'm just having fun with it.
My tournament bag is still allInnova, except for a couple
things like the MIDI.
I was going to say, except foryour MIDI, the MIDI, that's my
go-to, but anyway, yeah, yeah.

(01:13:32):
Different plastics, differentbrands, different flight paths,
whatever.
You might surprise yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yeah, and I would put out there that if you're one of
those especially women ifyou're a player who just has the
discs that the men in your lifehave told you to just have, um,
it's worthwhile to go to thestore and actually check out
what's out there, find differentdiscs in probably not so used

(01:13:59):
plastics or better plastics.
It makes a difference and itcan improve your game by having
the right equipment and notnecessarily just what some guy
said hey, this would be perfectfor you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Well, you know, if they're making comments on that,
at some point in a competitivedisc golf career, whatever
height that may take you to, youowe it to yourself to know your
game and know it inside and out, to the point where you don't

(01:14:34):
need to necessarily have thosesupport figures around you.
And there's nothing wrong withthat, because you know everybody
has doubts or wants to ask aquestion once in a while.
They're not always going to bearound for one reason or another
.
Say they have a work functionor something going on, and you
know being able to still besuccessful on your own um is

(01:14:57):
much desired, I would think welland I would say playing the
women's events and then alsoplaying a lot of male dominated
events.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Um, I get to the point where it's like I'm not
carrying my bag.
I have someone else touching mystuff.
Like I love you, go away, Ineed to just get back to.
I have to be self-sufficientfor the game.
So there's times where I kickmy caddy off to the side because

(01:15:26):
I'm not carrying my bag anymoreor I'm not pulling my cart and
I I need to center myself backon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Okay, this is how I normally play when I don't have
a support person with me well Iyou know I like the role of
being the support person andfilling out your caddy book
because it also gains mevaluable insights to my game,
because a lot of your shotshapes and patterns follow a lot
of my shot shapes and patternsand uh translate over to my game

(01:15:55):
in a nice way.
So it's helpful for me to playthat role.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
And not even that, but, like as a teacher, my
background.
As a teacher, one of myfavorite things I did was I went
and watched other teachersteach and made reflections on
how I teach and what I like thatthey're doing and how can I
implement that in my classroom.
So you're going through thesame step and I know we

(01:16:21):
discussed it about the cascadechallenge of how we watched some
of the pros and even when we'rewatching TV, it's getting us to
think about what we do andseeing what they do well and
what they don't do well andreflecting on our own practices,
and that's why we created thisentire podcast in the first
place all right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
So we got through.
Shot one on the caddy book um,take down environmental
conditions, data points, blah,blah, blah.
All right, so shot number two.
I'll do the same thing, so I'llput a little two in a
parenthesis on my caddy book andI'll take a note and I'll say
okay, this is the disc thatjenny threw.
Let's say that she's throwing aLatitude Brave, her new

(01:16:57):
favorite disc.
She loves it.
I'm so happy for her.
But anyway, what?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
I wouldn't throw that for a second shot.
It would be either my soul, myrollo.
Are you talking?

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
about a whole number one.
Still, yeah, okay, yeah, itwould be your soul or your rollo
.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Or my Tersis.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Or your Tersis, or my Deputy, yeah, one of those.
Whatever that second disc is, Imake a note of that and I would
take a range and figure.
You know, just a guesstimate ofhow far we are away from the
basket, you know.
Another reason to use the rangefinder is that your estimating
ability has become more and moreaccurate because you understand

(01:17:36):
what you're seeing.
So even if you don't have arangefinder, it's very helpful
to get one.
I get a range and find out howfar she was away from the basket
.
I'd make a note in the caddybook, maybe draw on the map a
little bit with a dark pencil soI can erase it to show where
she landed, what the result ofit was.
I'll make a note if, like, wehit a tree or something of that

(01:17:59):
nature, Just whatever happenedon that shot that I can measure,
I'm going to make notes of it.
And then same thing on likenumber three.
I'm going to say, okay, youknow, here's where it landed and
this is the results.
And then all the way up untilthe hole is finished, and I'll
do this and sometimes I'll makenotes on the map itself of I'll
shoot an important line mark.

(01:18:20):
Let's say there's a big rock inthe middle of the fairway, like
on a kayak, the big rock in themiddle of the fairway.
Maybe I'll shoot that and say,okay, you know that rock is 275
feet out.
So essentially, you know out ofplay if it was jenny's game.
Um, you know in play if it wasmine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
But you know, towards the end of my shot and I like
having the notes actually on thepicture of the caddy book as
opposed to on.
I mean, I take notes on theback too, but it's good to be
able to see if this is where Iwas trying to aim for and
whether I actually like that wasa landing zone with that disc
or not.
So it also helps to make yourskills better of being able to

(01:19:03):
go through the thought processwithout being on the course.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Well, and I love being able to do it that day in
live action when you're playing,because you know, in certain
circumstances the weatherconditions and things can change
between round one and round two, but in a lot of circumstances
they're pretty similar, maybewithin a few degrees, you know.
Maybe it's dry, maybe it's wet,who knows, you know.

(01:19:29):
But let's just assume the dataand information you can take
from the tournament day ofhaving somebody walk around do
this for you a husband, a wife,whatever, um, hopefully somebody
with good handwriting, uh, notin this case, but uh and um,
then you can find out how you'replaying that day.

(01:19:50):
And so one of the things thatwe did is, during our lunch
break, we went through thatcaddy book and had a pretty good
discussion about what changeswe could make and, uh, you know,
at the looking at the, how theweather conditions were
affecting disc choices and in inlayouts and things like that.
So, uh, jenny, do you you know?
Do you remember?

(01:20:11):
Like, what all we talked about?
And like I know we made somechanges?
What, what kinds of things dowe look at?

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
and so I know you keep going back to the first one
, but for me the biggest changewas being at shelton and it
started getting windy and oh,that's a good example for us how
to throw in the wind and, likeI said at the beginning of this,
I had some pros, our local pros, comment on how well I was

(01:20:38):
doing using the wind to myadvantage, because I had this
little cheat sheet that you gaveme right before the round
because I couldn't remember whatI had to use for what disc.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
What scenarios?

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Yeah, so it was a testament to you knowing how to
do that, and then it helped me,um, to be really successful that
round.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Yeah, and and so you had that backup plan and
ultimately, that backup plan uhpaid off.
It saved, saved you somestrokes and um um, you ended up
doing pretty well at thattournament, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
I took a second well going like you went from what
fa3?

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
you were fa3 yeah, so last year jumping up to fa40
yeah, last year I did fa3 and um, since I'll be 40 in nine,
eight, oh man, eight days, eightdays.
So I got to jump up to FA 40this year and I decided to um,
instead of trying to do the um,fa two or one, to just jump up

(01:21:48):
to FA 40.
And you know, take a risk andplay with better players,
because that we have a groupchat for a lot of the ladies
that I tend to play with at thetournaments a lot, and we
discuss, you know, what divisionare you going to do?
At the end of last year andthey're like well, you know,
move up um, try and play withbetter players to get better.

(01:22:08):
Or some people are working ontheir confidence or working on
some other things, so they, they, they decided not to move up
divisions or you know choices.
So I uh, bumped up to fa40 andI've done it for pretty much
every event, unless there's onewhere I, like, really want to
play with someone you'veimproved each event also like

(01:22:30):
yeah, I've been playing above myrating well, which is nice.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Well, like your first go about in FA40 didn't go so
well, but now we're kind ofapproaching like the early of
the midseason grind.
You are in top form and areplaying extremely well.
A lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yep.
So yeah, caddy books, so I do.
I do remember we made somechanges in the in between rounds
or whatnot to your bag, or notto your bag, but to your game
plan and you shot.
How many strokes lower did youshoot the second time around?

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
I are you talking about still a coon?

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Like four or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I don't think it was significant.
I'd have to look.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
I don't know, but it definitely paid off in Shelton.
Shelton is just, it's a big,wide open course, so, yay, not
you know, there's some trees andstuff when you get in the woods
sections.
But also Shelton is known forthe wind, because it comes
ripping up the hood canal thereand goes up the hill, and so you
know, oh yeah, big, wide openfield, but it's going to be

(01:23:44):
windy.
So good luck, have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Oh, round two.
I went from an 81 the firstround at Still a comb to a 74.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
So so what?
That was a improvement of sixshots.
Seven, seven shots, so that wasan improvement of seven shots.
So just by taking notes andrecord keeping on this round,
we're able to save you sevenstrokes Uh, the second time that
you went around.
So what, what if I?

(01:24:17):
What if I went to any golferand said, hey, you know, I know
how to take, instantly takeseven shots off your score.
I don't know a golfer alivethat wouldn't take that deal
right.
Just just by doing that one,this one simple thing.
I mean, that's the kind ofstuff that wins you tournaments
yeah, so I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
I'm even looking at like the cascade challenge and
round one I was 67.
Around three I was 64.
I'm not going to count roundtwo, cause that was the hard one
.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
But well, well, little changes.
I dropped three strokes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Well, you compare, you compare, um, compare, like
and like.
Uh, this, the second round ofthe Cascade Challenge, was a
completely different course, butthe first and third day were
the same course.
So if you compare the two, youdrop three more strokes off your
score.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Well, and I want to say that I'm getting more
accurate with it, becauseShelton Springs the following
weekend, I believe I had a 70the first round and 69 the
second round.
There you go, so it's just youknow.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
So if you can go out to a course and continue you
know it regularly drop one ortwo or five shots like that's
proof in the pudding right there.
I mean, these caddy book thingsare working out, uh.
But that is also coupled with alot of hard work and a lot of
personal growth and developmentand a lot of practice.

(01:25:41):
There's no replacement for hardwork.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Yeah, so the second round we made the adjustments
brought the scores downsignificantly, and the scores
have been going down and downand down ever since, just both
because of personal improvementand also, uh, knowing and
learning more about your game.
So I guess the theme of thisepisode is like you know your
game, do you really know yourgame?

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
yeah, and do you have someone in your life you can
talk to about your game becauseit actually does make huge
improvements being able to haveyour life.
You can talk to about your gameBecause it actually does make
huge improvements being able tohave that person you can talk
with, even if it's just aprocess, but Jenny will be first
to say this Her and I thinkvery differently about it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
I think more mechanically in engineering,
because that's what I do, likephysics and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Yep, I was going to say that I will try and find
that first caddy book, because Istill have them all, but I'll
see if I can get them uploadedto our Instagram and potentially
our Facebook so you guys cankind of see what we're talking
about.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
That would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
And then we'll see how Brandon does using his the
Windfall Masters Cup.
I'm excited for that one, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Well, because it's the same layout twice.
Yeah Right, I don't have to.
I don't have to makeadjustments, unless I screw
something up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
You might want to make adjustments.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
I might want to make it Well, it's data points.
It's about understanding yourgame, you know, without the
emotions, because you know whenwe get emotions involved in
these decisions we start to makemistakes, and anybody that has
ever played the sport of golf inany of its forms understands
that.
You know, emotional control andregulation is one of the most

(01:27:32):
important aspects of the sportand I think that's one of the
things that makes it soattractive is because it's so
very much split down the middlehalf physical, half mental.
So that was kind of adiscussion on caddy books and
how we use ours and some of thedata and results that we've
collected.
But you owe it to yourself toknow your game and that in

(01:27:54):
itself is going to upgrade yourathletic performance.
Even though you're not makingany huge physical changes.
It makes a big difference.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Yeah, you need to know your game and be
intentional about it, and thisis going to probably open your
eyes to things that you were notaware of, especially if you go
through and do the shot matrix.
Um.
Check out that video by HollandHanley on power disc golf
Academy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Yeah, power disc golf Academy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Yeah, it was a uh, eye opener for me.
And then you know, actually sitdown and look at a caddy book
and it's like you know, we lookat the picture when we get to
the tee box and it's like, oh, Ithink it's there, I can kind of
see it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
but when you actually sit down and intentionally
write out what you want to do,it changes your game well,
another thing to note is, like alot of these placards that you
see at the uh, at the beginningof the tea pads, the distances
and things are as the crow flies.
So no, no trees, no lines, noanything.
Somebody stood in that spot,shot a laser and ranged it in,

(01:29:00):
or sat there with a tape measureand actually walked it out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
And if you're a forester or anything like the
woods around Washington, youknow trees grow and all of a
sudden there's bushes andbranches and anybody.
A little tree could turn into areally big uh mando in the
future.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
So a really big mando .
Yeah, that's a big mando likethat takes that shot out of play
at rain shadow, but almost yeah, uh, oh, I remember I was gonna
say what jenny is saying is isright.
You know how many times have youbeen in that situation where
you're not really sure what tothrow.

(01:29:39):
You go to your favorite discand you're like, okay, you know
I'm going to do this justbecause you know it's
comfortable, I feel comfortablewith it, blah, blah, blah.
But the payoff is that if youkeep all these data points, you
can go back to that and say,well, you know, here's the shot,
the shape, the disc.
You know I've done this beforeand it's only had like a 30%

(01:29:59):
success rating, as where, if Ihave this shot shape and I can
manufacture this somehow, it hasmore of like a 70% shot rating
and so it can make help you makedecisions as far as your shot
shapes, decision-makingapproaches, drives, all the
different aspects of the game.

(01:30:20):
That's what I'm saying aboutmaking emotionally-based
decisions in your game.
It may feel good, but it's notnecessarily going to produce you
the best results, and so havingconcrete data points that are
going to better interpretable isvery, very important.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Yeah, Go with facts, not feelings.
It makes a huge difference.
And if you've never eventhought ahead about what your
game is, I mean if you say thatyou're going to make a plan,
even just try sticking to theplan, like go do a casual round
and stick to the plan and seewhat that feels like, Because

(01:31:00):
you know that might be justenough to change your mind.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
All right.
So, uh, we're going to getwrapped up here at this.
Uh, season two episode of theintentional disc golfer podcast.
How about you guys, our peopleout there in listener land, why
don't you shoot us an email orleave us a comment?
Let us know how you guys useyour caddy books and let us know

(01:31:24):
some things that we missed orwhat you would put in there, or
if you have any good ideas, andalso share your caddy books.
Let's see what they.
Let's see they look like youknow, but keep it clean, uh, for
sure.
Um, you know no, no cussing orpolitics, or you know the big
five or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
I don't know they put that in their caddy books.
Politics.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
No, but they put that on social media, maybe not, I
don't know.
Anyway, let's, uh, let's hearabout your caddy books and the
different, different things thatyou uh take note of in your
caddy books and how you usethose, and you know, let's, uh,
let's also go a step further andlet's hear the stories about
how they've improved your gameand how they helped you.
So, um, that email again, ifyou want to reach out to us, is

(01:32:12):
theintentionaldiscgolfer atgmailcom.
That istheintentionaldiscgolfer at
gmailcom.
That istheintentionaldiscgolfer at
gmailcom.
So, jenny, you got any more?
Any things you want to anythingabout before we sign off of
here?
Nope, are you sure you don'thave anything?

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
I'm hungry.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Sign up for Sirens of the Springs.
All right, all you ladies outthere, get to this disc golf
tournament.
It's going to be great.
Sirens of the Springs, sheltonWashington.
When is it again, jenny June?

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
June 22nd, the Saturday before Father's Day.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
June 22nd.
Be there or be square, allright.
So anyway, this is theIntentional Disc Golfer Podcast,
and we really truly believehere that disc golf changes
lives.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
I'm sorry, it is not.
It's a Saturday after Father'sDay, it's a Saturday after
Father's Day.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Yes, june 22nd.
Yes, that's the right date.
Yes, june 22nd 2024,.
Sirens of the Springs.
Bring your family women's discgolf tournament.
Meet the professionals, playwith the amateurs, sign up
yourself, win fabulous prizes oreven sign up for the raffle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Join now on disc golf scene that is Sirens of the
Springs at Shelton Springs,washington why do I see you as
like a little boy standing infront of the mirror, practicing
this voice?

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Get down.
Don't make fun of my voice.
Why are you?
Doing this.
Anyway.
So here you're crying, Allright.
So anyway, back to the storyhere.
Thank you guys for listening tothe Intentional Disc Golfer
Podcast.
We truly here.

(01:34:03):
We do believe that disc golfdoes change lives, so go out
there and grow the sport.
Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
This is Eric Oakley and thank you so much for
listening to the intentionaldisc golfer podcast go out there
and grow the sport.

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