Find Your Line: Pro Insights for Tournament Success (Live Recording)

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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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And thank you for tuning in to this episode of the
Intentional Disc Golfer Podcast.
I am one of your hosts.
My name is Brandon.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I'm Jenny and we would like to welcome you to
this very exciting episode.
We have never done this before.
We got a live discussion panelwith what we got five DGPT pros
here to talk about how to getready for a tournament.
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Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah.
So as my journey with disc golfhas grown and I have learned
about how much healing hashappened, I've been working with
some of my students andnoticing that if they're
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me.
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aspects of disc golf and how wecan help more kids through disc
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Speaker 3 (03:15):
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All right, and we're going tohave Jenny lead us off
introducing our firstprofessional Now.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, oh gosh, All right.
One of the most powerful andfearless competitors in the FPO
division.
With a background in UltimateFrisbee and a passion for
pushing boundaries, she'sbrought an explosive style and
relentless drive to the discgolf course.
Her distance is undeniable, hermindset is sharp and her
presence on the pro tour justkeeps growing stronger.

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Get ready for Holland Handley.
All right, our next guest Todayis a rising horse on the disc
golf scene, known for his smoothmechanics, fierce

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competitiveness and mental game.
Well beyond his years, he'sbattled on the biggest stages,
turned heads with clutchperformances and continues to
prove.
He belongs among the sportselite, From junior champion to
pro tour contender.
His journey is just gettingstarted.
Stick around for Robert BurridgeA fan favorite with a clean

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forehand, powerful backhand anda game that continues to evolve
with every season, bursting ontothe scene with highlight reel
moments and a breakout forerunalongside some of Disc Vault's
biggest names.
He's proven he can hang withthe best Humble driven and
always up for a challenge.
Don't forget about that.

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Star Wars.
How about Casey Weitz?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Five technically, unless you count these as
individual or like each letteras individual, like one, two,
three, and you count these asindividual or like each letter
as individual Like one, two,three, four five, all right.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
So someone returning to the Intentional Disc Golfer
podcast, he brings unmatchedenergy, passion and personality
to the disc golf scene.
Known for his dynamic shotselection, creative play style
and dedication to the sportscommunity, he's not just a
competitor, he's an ambassador,whether he's hyping up a crowd,

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running clinics or grinding ontour.
He does it all with heart.
Known as the man of the people.
Mr Eric Oakley All right.
A calm competitor with smoothpower and precision.

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With a background in education,he has earned respect on and
off the course throughconsistent play and
sportsmanship.
Here to welcome James Proctor,let's get started.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
All right everyone.
I hope you guys enjoyed theintroductions.
I worked really hard on that.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I want to say I never thought I would be speaking
over Star Wars music.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
That is now a new life goal achieved.
You can check that box, casey,you get to do an intro to some
Star.
Wars, I know right.
Tonight's discussion is abouthow to get ready for a
tournament.
Not only that, but also givethese guys a chance to share
some of their disc golf stories,how they came to disc golf,

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what they've been doing in discgolf, and just have some fun.
What do you guys think let's doit?
Yeah, all right, let's jump offto the left of me here.
We'll start with Robert Burrage.
Robert Burrage, what's yourdisc golf story?

Speaker 6 (09:46):
uh, it's long.
I guess I started with ultimateway back.
Uh, both my parents playedultimate frisbee professionally
and so just from there, I've hada frisbee in my hand my my
whole life.
So gotta gotta start there.
And then, you know, my dad gotme into it when I was 13 14, and
just gotten better since then.

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Really really got into itduring COVID, while I was in
college.
And here we are after collegejust trying to get better.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I want to say Jace, calling you out, I hope you're
listening.
I said I hope you're listening,college is good.
Started when he was young.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
College is good.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Alright, let's bounce over here to Eric Oakley.
What's your disc golf story,eric?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, a mouthful.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Well, I picked up the game.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
About 20 plus years ago, a good friend of mine Just
said hey, do you want to go playdisc golf?
So I was about 14, 15 years oldand, yeah, kind of stayed in my
life ever since and about 10years ago I had the opportunity
to take the leap and go on tour.
I'd never played an amateurevent, so I was always playing

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in pro and I always something Iwanted to do, so just went for
it.
I'm lucky to be here ten yearslater still doing it and feeling
like my game is still improving, even at this long.
So understand that time is onyour side more than more than
anything.
I'm turning 37 and half a month, so I'm 36 and 11 months, or

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however we do it.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Happy early birthday.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Thank you, thank you.
So, yeah, time is of theessence and you can keep
improving as long as you go, aslong as you do the right thing.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Isn't this also the 10th year of the Pro Tour?

Speaker 7 (11:39):
I was on the tour the first year You've been in it
since the first year Yep Holycow.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Played in a couple of events the first year.
Yep Holy cow Been in a coupleevents the first year.
It was really cool, greatopportunity.
Just felt awesome to kind ofsee it also grow to be as big as
it is, and big thanks to ProTour for kind of giving us an
avenue to make this more areality, because I might have
had to stop a few years back,but there's a lot of great
things that have come of that,so big thanks to them.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Heck, yeah, heck yeah .
Well, they're kind of thereason.
You guys are all here and allof you were just gracious enough
to accept our invites.
Yeah, thank you to you guys.
Honestly Appreciate you, manHolland, how about you?
Let's jump over there?

Speaker 9 (12:26):
Yeah, I mean I've been playing disc golf most of
the people up here but I foundit a little bit later, in 2019.
Actually, my boyfriend found it, I think, just a Jomez video
and it was.
You know, we were looking forsome something to do outside,
because we were both working thenine-to-five thing and needed
something to get us outdoors andwe just got hooked.
Got hooked, I got obsessed inthe way that I do sometimes
about things and started gettingpretty good at it and kind of
had the opportunity around theend of 2021.

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We were living in California atthe time, trying to move back
to Texas, and it was kind of atthis moment of you know, go jump
on tour for a bit or go get ajob, and went and bought a
trailer, decided to do it for ayear just to see how it went,
and now we're here, year numberfour on tour, tour.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, you were talking about how hooked you get
with disc golf.
I was talking to a lady thatjust came in here before we
started and I'm like look, ifyou start playing, you're gonna
get hooked.

Speaker 9 (13:12):
Yeah, it's weird, how that happens.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
It's infectious.
All right, let's jump back overhere.
Mr Proctor, what is your discgolf story?

Speaker 10 (13:24):
My story starts probably in the year 2000 or
2001.
I was five or six at the timeand there was a course by my
house and my dad and I would seeit just driving around.
We didn't know what it was, sowe went out there with kind of a
big whammo beach frisbee andtossed it around and somebody
showed us and gave us some discsand you know, it was always

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kind of a hobby.
I was more focused on baseballand basketball as a kid and then
when I actually won, I guess,my first pro tournament right
after I graduated high school, Ibeat Derek Billings and then I
went to college in Reno, startedplaying all around the Tahoe
courses and got pretty good whenI was in college and then, yeah

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, been playing ever since.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Very cool now.
Am I right in hearing that youwere a teacher before you became
a pro disc?

Speaker 10 (14:17):
player, yeah, I mean .
So after after college, I wasteaching full-time and then
playing.
You know, during my summer andwinter breaks I felt like I had
the best of both worlds.
I got to do something that Iloved, and then I also got to
play disc golf.
I didn't really see a reasonwhy I should change that.

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At the time, covid doing whatit did for the sport and the pro
tour and the contracts, and Ikind of had a conversation with
my wife and I said you know, ifI want to tour full time, now
seems like a good time to do it.
So I think the second half ofthe 2022 season after the school
year ended, then I startedtouring full-time.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Jenny, here is a principal certified
administrator.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I'm on the dark side now.
Common thread Pushing papers alittle bit.
Oh yeah, more working with kidsand pushing papers.
But yeah, that's good.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
All right, Casey, what about your disc golf story?
What do you got?
I mean, in what.
We got time.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Have fun.
My dad and I loved playingcatch with a frisbee and after
many months and years of us justplaying catch in the yard, he
finally had enough daylight togo to dick's sporting goods
first and, uh, run to our localcourse that we didn't know was
on the side of a cliff in theforest and we got lost our first

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time ever.
We were told very, very gooddirections and we just took the
wrong turn on our way into thecourse and ended up in the
middle of the course,backtracked to hole 10.
And just played the back nine.
But it was like the greatestnine holes of golf I had ever
played.
I was a ball golfer, so, um,then we were lucky enough to run

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into somebody on the first holewhen we were on 18 that had
like eight discs and we werejust like like whoa, like you
know what's, what's this guy gotgoing on.
He told, told us about leagueand tournaments.
We had no idea.
We were out there with a beast,each just chucking it, and we
got hooked immediately, got mybuddy and his dad hooked on it

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as well, and then we lent ourdiscs to them and they misplaced
them, never saw them again.
So we didn't play again for ayear and a half.
And then my local pro shopopened up at the same course,
hawk's Nest, and I had bought mydad a starter set.
Well, I didn't buy it, but Igot my dad for father's day a
starter set.
Let me guess a firebird, a sharkand an aviar leopard shark okay

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, leopard shark, okay, leopardshark and then, uh, when the
store opened up, we had somebodythat could recommend me uh, a
build your own starter pack.
I.
I got a Starlight Valkyrie, anX-Buzz and a Soft Magnet and
every round we played with theone beast each.
We just played match play and Icould never beat him.
And as soon as I got threediscs, like a mid-range driver

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putter, he never beat me again,unless we played with one disc,
like my dad beat me like acouple years ago because we
played a one disc round.
My dad beat me like a coupleyears ago.
We played a one-disc round.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
All right, here's a good question what's your dad
rated?

Speaker 1 (17:29):
He does not have a rating.
He actually just got his PDJnumber for Christmas.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah, my stepmom gifted him andmy younger brother their PDJ
number for Christmas andbasically it's just like now.
They have no excuse to not playtournaments.
So we'll see how it goes.
Obviously, I don't spend thatmuch at home, much time at home
and, uh, it takes a little bitof a nudge to get them on the

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course, but once they get going,that's all they think about,
like you know, like the rest ofus.
But yeah, anyway, just likepretty natural progression, as
natural as it could get.
I just, every single day, I wasdoing exactly what I wanted to
do, which was throwing discs inthe backyard at a basket, and
little did I know.
I was practicing and trainingevery single day.
And next thing, I know I'mgoing to the junior world

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championship and taking thirdplace.
And trajectory was just on andon from there, started making
money, graduated high school,basically dove all in as soon as
COVID happened.
What year was the Junior Worlds?
2017.
Yeah, I was born in 2000.

Speaker 10 (18:30):
That's crazy, that's crazy yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, all right, let's bounce back over here.
Matt now you're on the Pro Tour, but in a bit of a different
capacity.
Talk about what your disc golfstory.
I'm assuming you're a discgolfer absolutely all right, so
let's what's your disc golfstory?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I'll say, yeah, uh, different than all of these
stories, my first introductionto disc golf was in 1999.
One of my camp counselors was aprofessional disc golfer.
John Drummond is a disc craft.

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I think he's still sponsored bydisc craft.
But when I met him back then Iwas blown away.
Like you're a professionalfrisbee thrower?
Yeah, yeah, I throw frisbeeswith my dad.
Like like casey said, I, Ithrow frisbees.
I play catch with my dad allday long, like we do that we

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throw as far away as we can forthe record, it never got old
yeah, it's like just saying that, but I didn't even know what
disc golf was until I met JohnDrummond at camp in 99.
And I was blown away that peoplecould make a living throwing

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Frisbees Like what, what.
And even at that point I had noidea.
As I made my way through theprogression and I learned about
disc golf in, say, 2007, westarted throwing things at

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things.
We throw the rock at that thing, we throw the golf ball at that
thing, we throw the fr the rockat that thing, we throw the
golf ball at that thing, wethrow the frisbee at that thing
and we throw the frisbee at thatthing and we keep throwing
frisbees at that thing and welearn that this is a sport.
This is that sport that I heardabout in 99, that John Drummond

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told me about.
We're throwing frisbees atthings that John Drummond told
me about.
We were throwing frisbees atthings and I could never imagine
that I could make a living outof it.
I make wood turnings, I make alittle mini out of the wood that
I find or things that I found,I don't know well, so treasure

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the forest.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
You go around and you take, you collect things from
different courses, right, andthen you put them into epoxy
molds and then make minis out ofthem.
And I remember the first timethat I saw one of these things
was at ladies in the lake, whenjenny had the most epic,

(21:33):
freaking win I think I've everseen in disc golf, and she's
actually got it sitting righthere awesome, you remember this
one.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
I remember making that mini.
I I do yes.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, we had a conversation over at Shelton
about it.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
yeah, that's very cool.
Sweet.
Oh, come up to see yeah, soyeah.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
What's the story here ?
Where's the other mic?
Where's the other mic?
Oh, you can just put mine on.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Where's the other mic ?
There you go.

Speaker 11 (22:04):
Tell us, you got a you can just put mine on.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
There's the other mic , there you go Introduce
yourself.
Who are you?
Hi, I'm you turn it on.
Go Go, hello yeah.

Speaker 12 (22:13):
Okay, so I'm Shantae , Matt's girlfriend and business
manager of Treasures of theForest, that particular mini.
Matt asked me to make theletters out of vinyl.
I tried four different ways toget these letters to come out,
and each different way took overan hour and he needed three of

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them by five o'clock when I gaveup at ten o'clock at night.
So what I ended up doing ispulled the letters out of the
vinyl and then used a markerlike a paint marker, and it
ended up looking so cool that itactually launched me into start
painting minis.
I love it so that project wasone of the worst days of

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Treasures in the Forest of mylife.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Well, I'm sorry to hear it's one of your worst days
, because it was one of my bestdays when they were done.

Speaker 12 (23:10):
It was epically worth it, but it was the most
frustrating day.
But when it turned out likethat, it's better than anything.
Vinyl would have been.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Alright, so the subject of conversation today is
how to prepare for a tournament.
So, shelton Springs some of youhave played it before, some of
you have not.
Shelton Springs, right, greatcourse, glad to have you guys
here.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
And thank you to Mason County Disc Golf for all
the hard work that you guys areputting in to make that happen.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
And so it's a newer course on the tour and it's a
little bit of a different flavor, because we've seen some tour
on coverage and whatnot and it'sa lot of ball, golf courses,
parks and things like that.
This is probably one of theonly primarily wooded courses
you guys have on tour.

(24:04):
How do you guys come into townso fresh and prepare for that?

Speaker 9 (24:10):
Helps when we have an off week.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, get some extra rounds in.

Speaker 9 (24:15):
Or less.
Extra rounds and rest mostly.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, scheduling is one of the kind of more crazy
parts of our tour because youhave the pro tour, who needs to
be profitable and they need torun events week after week after
week.
But at the same time wesometimes feel obligated to play
week after week after week andthat's not realistic for the
human body to do what they'reasking us, especially when we

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don't have the travel that wewould like.
As far as getting to place toplace quickly like plane would
be awesome.
We don't make that much moneyto do that.
Nobody's doing that.
We don't have trainers, wedon't have these things to help
us recover.
We're not.
The finances aren't there tomeet what the tour is sometimes
asking.
So having any off week at anypoint in the season is immense

(25:04):
for the players and I think whatyou're going to see is you're
going to start to see bettergolf from the field the more we
get our scheduling down.
So I just attack onto that andgo into a little soapbox.
Yeah, more rest is good.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
More rest is good.
So, you're talking from ahealth standpoint.
You work so hard and you're go,go, go, go and your body breaks
down after a while.
So having that off week is nice, okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I will say that the tour might say things as well.
You don't have to play everyweek.
Well, you then stop making thepoints in the tournament finals
and all these things and have tohave qualifications at all
these events that that lead topotential bigger things.
For us, any weekend could beour weekend.
That can break us out.
Why would we not bet onourselves?

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But also, we're gonna advocateand ask for those things.
So please listen to us, and weunderstand you need to make
money, but let's figure out abetter way that doesn't harm our
bodies and shorten our careers.
I'm lucky to be at 10 yearsinto my career, but I am also
worried that there are going tobe players who only get a
shortened career because of howtaxing the tour can be fair

(26:16):
enough, I somebody was sayingsomething over here I mean yeah
to play devil's advocate.
I mean, I just took a crazy discgolf road trip on my way up the
coast, but, like the off week,still very thankful because I
got to take my time travelingthrough one of my favorite parts
of the country.
And there's nothing more thatmakes me scream than when I see

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the schedule come out in j orAugust and it's OTB open and
Portland open back-to-backweekends.
I'm like you've got to bekidding me.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, like bro it's only a 12-hour drive, yeah, but
like what I'm just supposed toskip.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Lake Tahoe and I'm supposed to skip the Redwoods
and I'm supposed to skip theOregon coast and all these
things every year.
I'm supposed to skip thoseevery year, like I want.
The time and I took, uh, ourdog, tato and I we went on a
crazy trip.
We played seven courses inseven days, or seven courses in
eight days, something like that,and uh, it was pretty awesome.

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I mean, I had to take one dayoff because after 27 holes at
whistler's bend my elbow wasdemanding it, but it wasn't a
part of the plan.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
I mean tacking on to that.
Then you also get a mental restfrom the pro tour.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Oh for sure, you feed the soul you feed the soul.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Yeah, you play the fun courses and you're sitting
there like I don't care how Ishoot, I'm just going to go out
and throw.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Every single disc in my bag is not in my bag for this
tournament.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
Every single disc I threw for that entire week, I am
not throwing this weekend sothat's another break where we
talk about mental break, whereit's a physical break of an off
week.
But if you don't feel like youneed that, you get the mental
break of not going.
I just I need to throw five onevery hole to know what I'm
doing.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, every time you feed the body or you feed the
soul, and when you take all yourstart, when you take your
starting lineup out, you takeaway all expectations and it's
just for the love of the game.
And I think me more thananybody can vouch for that being
way more important than acompetitive edge.
But your body being healthy isnumber one, because I couldn't
do either of those things if mybody wasn't healthy.

(28:16):
Yeah, for sure?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, I was going to say actually for us as amateurs,
this last weekend and thisweekend we have off.
So I understand that too.
You know, this last weekend andthis weekend we have off so I
understand that too.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
You know that time off is important well that we're
getting old yeah for the oldestmaybe perfect awesome, thank
you.
Thank you, rj, so I'll Moremoney without physical demanding
, and we love your contentcreation.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Thank you for that, Mark.
Awesome Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
RJ, so I'll hop back over to Holland real quick.
So when you guys are out thereon the grind, what are some of
the tips and tricks you do totake care of your body and to
recuperate in such a quick time,because the turnaround has to
be grueling.

Speaker 9 (29:01):
Yeah, definitely, it's kind of a constant balance
between doing enough work to beskills wise, prepared for the
next tournament.
So having your skills beingsharp, knowing the course well
enough to be able to play well,but also being recovered and
being in the right state of mindgoing into the tournament,
because your mood, you know, ifyou're grumpy and frustrated and

(29:23):
burnt out going to a tournament, versus excited and just
wanting to see the flight of adisc, you know going in is going
to have a huge impact, and howthat is not only on one given
week but over the course of anentire month, over the course of
the entire season.
And so for me, you know, it'skind of having a loose structure
that I stick with week to week.

(29:43):
So I have kind of the minimumamount of work that I need to do
on average to be prepared, andthen that includes, you know,
practice rounds, a little bit offield work and I'm also working
out so some strength trainingin with that, and then whatever
time is left is kind ofopen-ended to like.
Do I feel like I need morepractice and would benefit from
that, or would I benefit fromdoing something fun, fun?
Would I benefit from just kindof vegging out and watching

(30:05):
Netflix all day and kind ofletting everything recuperate,
and so it's just kind of that onrepeat gotcha.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
What about James over here?
What do you do?
What do you do?
You got any tips or tricks tohelp recuperate?

Speaker 10 (30:19):
I mean, I think I'm in the minority as far as I feel
like a majority of the tour isyoung and excited and they want
to go play golf every day.
You know, when I have an offweek, sometimes you know I'll
fly home and I don't even bringmy disc golf bag and I'll just
not play for five days.
Thanks for hauling that, eric.

(30:40):
He really appreciates it.
You know, when you like for meI feel I've been playing for so
long.
I don't I'm not necessarilyworking on my putt week to week
or working on, you know, mybackhand.
There might be one angle or oneshot that I might try to dial
in if it was off the week before.
But you know, when I'm gettingto a course most of the courses

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we've played before if for somereason I'm getting to a course
and we haven't played there yet,or if I'm not just not
comfortable on that course, youknow I'll throw one or two shots
and try to figure it out.
But after that I'm really onlythrowing one disc per hole.
I just try to, you know, limitmy throws.
And you know I'm a big fan oftaking off days.
When I can, I'll like play twopractice rounds then I.

(31:27):
Then I won't throw the next daybefore the tournament or you
know, however, I can fit an offday in the four-day events.
That's not really possible.
But yeah, I think you know I'veI've been around the block when
it comes to playing tournamentsand playing events and throwing
, and so I mean, I was never oneof those guys that was like I
got hooked and I played everyday for three years, like that

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was never me.
And so you know, when I cankind of step away from disc golf
and do some other thingsunrelated to the sport, I think
that helps me kind of staybalanced and stay, you know,
like Holland said, excited toplay the event when it's time.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I'm not going to lie.
As someone who's gotten reallyinto disc golf, it's nice to
have a weekend off to actuallylike be with the kids, do the
laundry.
You know, we built a chickencoop.

Speaker 10 (32:17):
We've got nine chickens now, so we wouldn't
have been able to do that if wewere working as hard as you guys
are, and then next week you'llbe itching to play again and
you'll be really excited.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
oh yeah, oh yeah apparently, when we're not disc
golfing, we have lives it'sweird by the way, james, you
don't need to work on your putt.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Appreciate you, that's really good.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
It feels pretty good yeah it sounds like you would
actually prefer if you didn'tyou could ask yes, say he got.

Speaker 10 (32:42):
He got a little annoyed because he uh, I mean
annoyed because I went fromfirst round of Florida up until
maybe four days before ChampionsCup without I wasn't allowed to
throw without throwing, withoutputting, and we got out of the
car and I hit back-to-back40-footers and Yese goes.
That's it, I'm done practiceputting.
You either know how to putt oryou don't, but it's useless.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Hey, I'm a huge advocate of that mantra right
there.
You either know how to do it oryou don't, but it's it's
useless.
Hey, I'm a huge advocate ofthat mantra right there.
You either know how to do it oryou don't.
Yeah, I, I won my best puttingrounds of the year.
I think I threw four practiceputts on the green.
I swear to god yeah fair enoughall right.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
So let's bounce back over here.
How about, eric, when you walkonto a course like this, like
how do you take it apart what?
What are you seeing?
What are you thinking?
What's your process like?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mean really trying to dial in the shots that I want
to be throwing as much as Ipossibly can, like leaning on
maybe certain discs.
If I can lean on throwing moredynasties and things like that
all over the course, bothforehand and backhand, I feel
like I'm hitting my gaps,covering enough distance and
staying in the fairways reallyeasily.

(33:53):
But if the course is asking formaybe a little more distance
then it's like, okay, maybe Ineed to start thinking about
bumping up in discs.
So I'm always trying to dial inand picking my best shot, even
if it might be slightly harder.
On the hole where it might callfor a backhand turnover and I'm
like I don't feel verycomfortable in those.
I'll still try and force theforehand and figure it out with

(34:14):
my style.
So leaning on my strengths asmuch as I can.
And then, if it's not there,then maybe I spend a couple
extra reps on that tee pad tomake sure I dial in exactly
where I want to be, lining up,how I want to throw it, and then
work on getting that convictionoff the T-pad of how I'm gonna
feel about it every single time.

(34:34):
So, yeah, start with thatFinding my best shots.
If they're available, lean onthem and allow that to kind of
build your focus forward,because I think that that going
to put you in the right headspace if you're able to play
your skills on a course andthat's the beauty of disc golf
in that way is I don't have tothrow the same shot that anyone
else does.

(34:54):
I might be the only person whothrows a forehand on this hole
If I birdie it or if I get threebars on it and I don't bogey it
and other people do it's like Imight take strokes.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
That seems good to me , so let's figure it out for our
own specialty?

Speaker 9 (35:16):
How about Holland?
How do you take apart a courselike this?
Yeah, I agree with a lot ofwhat Eric just said.
You know it's having anunderstanding of what are my
most comfortable shots and thenI try to break down on the
course to stick to those as muchas possible and you know,
sometimes that means I'm happywith par.
Just I'm trying to understandwhat is a good score on
different holes, given mystrengths and the way I want to
tackle it.
What is a good score over theweekend, and not just you know

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how, not necessarily taking on alot of risk without there being
a lot of reward.
So really I'm just trying tomake it as boring as possible,
frankly.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Boring golf is scoring golf, type of thing.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
Exactly like you know , some people will be throwing
these really cool.
You know turnovers.
But if I can accomplish it withjust a power sidearm, I'm going
to do that.
And then I do like to have someoptions, especially if I'm
throwing, like maybe moretechnical forehand or something
like that, some days that's notquite in the slot.
I like to have a backup plan oncertain holes so I have room if
one shot's feeling bad on aparticular day, I can still feel

(36:12):
confident going into holes.
But yeah, just like Eric said,you make the course fit to your
strengths, because that'susually what's going to when you
have the pressure on.
That's what's going to give youyour best performance.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
So I'll bounce over here.
What's going to when you havethe pressure on.
That's what's going to give youyour best performance.
Do my best, of course, so I'llbounce over here.
Robert, we haven't heard fromyou in a while.
What kind of challenges do youface when you walk onto a course
like this, Because there's notmany in the Pro Tour?
What?
How is that different?
What kind of challenges do you?

Speaker 6 (36:42):
face.
So I think first and foremost Imean most of the courses on
tour require distance more thananything else and I think that's
very, that's a common theme,especially through the front
half of the course where we'regoing through even florida like,
if you can throw a mid orfairway on a lot of the shots,
that helps a lot because thenyou're not worried about big rim

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skipping.
If you can dial back onsomething that you have control
over, that may not fade as hard,that's better.
Out.
Here it's different, especiallycoming directly from Champions
Cup over in Stockton where we'rethrowing arguably full power on
nearly every shot, whetherthat's full power roller,
whether that's full powersidearm, full power backhand,

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you're throwing hard, especiallywith wind.
You're trying to punch itthrough the wind, not allowing
the wind to really mess with thedisc.
We come up here.
There's a lot more par 3s.
There's a lot of par 3scompared to most pro tour
courses here and I think that'sone of the challenges is because
on the par 4s we get a certaindistance, we get a certain
landing zone and we say, okay,if I can get in this general

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area, I can then find the green.
Whether that's backhand,forehand, I can find a way to it
.
Here.
You need to be dialed on thatfirst shot off the tee and so it
puts a little more pressure onthat.
I'm stepping up to the tee.
I need to know what I'mthrowing.
I need to know what I'mthrowing, I need to know how I'm
throwing it, I need to knowwhere it's likely going to land,
especially in a wooded course,whether that's I might try to

(38:08):
miss early on a par four to tryto get into the left side where
the new holes holes 12 and 13and 13, you almost want to miss
left, late left on the tee shotso that you kind of open up that
gap.
You don't want to have thatearly right turn, you up that

(38:29):
gap.
You don't want to have thatearly right turn.
You don't want to havesomething that might go right.
You want something that willstay straight to slightly left,
and so it's, it's forcing acertain shot and then, however
you, whatever angles andwhatever speed here that you're
comfortable with, you can adjustto that kind of what Holland
and Eric said, where they mightbe comfortable throwing fairway
a little bit softer to try toget the angle right.
Some other people, myselfincluded, will probably go with

(38:49):
a mid.
That's just harder becausethat's the speed that I like to
throw, and so that just findingyour shot but then learning what
the miss is on these very, verytechnical holes is going to be
really important, for theweekend is going to be really
important for the weekend.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I like what you're saying there about the first
shot off the tee isn't important.
You're not just chewing updistance as much as you can.
It has to land in a place whereit's going to give you a chance
.
Yeah, I think that's well said.

Speaker 10 (39:33):
What other challenges are you guys seeing
with this course being soheavily wooded and tight and,
like you said, a lot of parthrees, which you don't see on
the tour.
Consistency of gap hitting.
And you know when we're playingpractice rounds you throw a
couple, one of them hits a tree,the other one goes over.
There you go to your good oneand you throw from there a lot
and you know it's easier for meat least, the gaps feel pretty

(39:58):
big in the practice rounds.
But once you start yourtournament maybe you late
release one it hits hits a tree.
Maybe the next hole you, youknow you early release left side
All of a sudden those gaps justshrink and then every hole you
step up to, you know you have tokind of fight to get that
rhythm back.
And so I think you know thiscourse, it's going to offer that

(40:20):
challenge.
And then it's also you knowwe're kind of used to needing to
birdie every hole, or at leastwe feel like we.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
We need to birdie every hole.

Speaker 10 (40:28):
Yeah, not much room for mistakes on the tour no, and
I feel like you know, if you'rejust a tick off but throwing,
well, you could see yourselfparring seven, eight, nine holes
in a row.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, and because you're not feet off and going
through the trees you're hittingthe tree and going through the
trees, you're hitting the trees.

Speaker 10 (40:46):
That's right.
But that's going to be likesort of a mental test, like
who's going to get frustratedand start pressing and who's
going to stay relaxed and let itkind of come to them.
Yeah, it's different.
And yeah, like Casey said, woodsculpt, you're going to miss
your line by an inch.
You're going to kick into agiant forest and somebody's
going to shank one by four feetand have a birdie putt.

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You've got to be able to kindof be blind to those shots as
well and I'll let that frustrateyou.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
So bad, it's good yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
You've got to be ready to be creative and humble
yourself all at the same time,because there's going to be
places where your good tee shotsare not in a good place and
you're like, dang it, I'm upagainst a tree.
If I try and get there, I mightbring bogey into play.
So it's like all right, eatyour par, get off the hole, move

(41:36):
on.
But then there are going to betimes where it's like all right,
this is doable, but it's a shotI haven't thrown in a long time
where it's this flippy backhandfan grip mid-range that I need
to hold and pan out.
But it's like that is thebiggest gap, so let's go execute
it.
It's like you put your.
You end up in these situationson a course like this that it's

(41:58):
you use your entire kit and youmight get asked to use your
entire kit when I do think thatwhen we play these golf courses
and open courses, it's prettyone dimensional.
In a lot of ways it's eitherhyzers or flexes.
It's not a lot of flip ups,it's not a lot of that.
You do that if that's yourstrong suit, but coming out here

(42:18):
, you gotta kind of have a realrange of angles and then ability
to make a decision after that.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
So you're saying it's a good test of a broader skill
set?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Absolutely, and I see what you're saying about the
coverage, because I mean wewatch a lot of coverage when
we're bumming around eatingdinner, whatever.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
And it's the same three discs over and over and
over, or maybe just a slightlydifferent rendition of the same
disc.
But it's the same three discsover and over and over, or maybe
just a slightly differentrendition of the same disc but
it's the same.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Three discs over and over.
You're going to use a lot ofdifferent discs out here, not
just maybe a lot of the samediscs on the tee, but the second
shots are all going to be sodifferent.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
By the way, Holland, you're one with the pine trees
on it and stuff that's one of myfavorites, oh yeah.
Well, how about Matt?
You're coming from a differentperspective.
I mean, you're more on thevendor side of things, but
you're on tour.
It's grueling.
What do you do to take care ofyourself?

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Yeah, it's definitely different from what I've been
hearing all of these guys talkabout.
My work week is Thursdaythrough Sunday and I have a

(43:42):
little bit of an off time whenI'm preparing for the next event
and we like to find some of thetouristy things to do.
I also, as a course collector,will go out of my way to find

(44:05):
the different courses higherrated courses to check out in
the area.
So my off time is spent lookingfor the different unique disc
golf experiences to have thetreasures of disc golf, the

(44:25):
course owners.
I like connecting with thecourse owners and course
designers, especially likearound pro tour events.
I like to experience the protour courses and interact with

(44:47):
the people that are dedicated tomaking the tournament and I
like connecting with them andseeing what got the course to

(45:15):
where it is today.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
How many courses are you up to playing?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
My total course count is 1720.
Nice Matt.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
That's a good total, and you just added Rain Shadow
right.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Excellent.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I just added Rain Shadow.
That is my most recently playedcourse.
Is Rain Shadow Cool playedcourse?
Is Rain Shadow Cool?
And I was going to saysomething I forgot, no worries.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
I think you said something really important there
.
You go and search out thosespecial experiences out there on
the course.
So to our pros what kind ofspecial experiences have you had
so far getting ready for theCascade Challenge?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Oh, brother we were just talking about it, let's do
it.
No, it's his special experience.
He's going to tell you.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Oh okay, go.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Utah.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
What am I going to tell you about?

Speaker 10 (46:18):
About going to base camp in Moab.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Base camp in Moab.
Moab Base camp in Moab Basecamp is one of the top
experiences I've ever had indisc golf.
That is one of the mostimpressive courses that I've
ever played and part of it isthe drive out there.
And I will tell you that thedrive out there might ruin your

(46:47):
vehicle because I just did it,that there is a lot out there
and even even the creek crossingitself isn't that crazy Like.
If you take it slowly and gothrough the creek, you're okay,

(47:15):
and the rest of the drive ispretty incredible.
There's like extreme drop-offsand you're working your way up
there to base camp, extreme dropoffs and you're working your
way up there to base camp andthere might be some places where
you have to get out and putsome rocks under your tires to
get up the pass and what not.
But we didn't even make it upto the pass.

(47:38):
We put our van into the creekon the way up to Hurrah Pass and
we lost our van.
The creek was a little bit toodeep for the speed that I took
it at it's on video.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
It's on video.
I do have video of it.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
I just saw it it, and I did have to get a new van
after that, that's all part ofthe experience, I suppose
perfect that is one of the mostincredible courses I've ever
played.
We didn't make it out therethis year and I mean that's part
of it.
That's.
What makes it incredible isthat some people might not make

(48:26):
it, or the experience gettingout to there makes it that much
more incredible.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
I always live by.
The harder the course is to getto, the better it is.
Like the crazier the experience.
The more like you know, themore special it feels.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
I can feel that we have a course right behind our
house called Fredrickson, andyou have to walk up a
three-quarters of a mile and,yeah, it's um, find some bears
every now and again.
Yeah, we're in a cougar tracks.
Yeah, we've been, we've beenwe've been chased out of there

(49:26):
by animals before.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Oh, yeah, yeah, the horses go through there.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
I mean, I got lost my first time ever playing disc
golf and was hooked ever since.
So, like that's it right there.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
So what are some of the magical things that you're
finding on this course out here,Like Shelton Springs?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Too close to the main road.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Too close to the main road.
Yeah, Were you here that yearwhen James Conrad was making his
birdie putt like on the leadcard and the ice cream truck
fired up right when he wasputting it.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I don't remember that , but I'm not surprised and
that's really funny.
Yeah, that happens in Nashvilletoo it was happy, and you know
it.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
And he cages out if you're happy, and you know it.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh geez, I know.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Right on 18.
That's tough, I know.
I know I can agree with you onthe two posts.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I've taken some people that maybe were playing
their first disc golf courseever to some crazy destination
courses just because I thinkwe're in the wrong place.
I'm like, no, we're in theright place, I can assure you.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Are you sure we're coming back?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, we're on SOS and we've been driving for three
miles and haven't seen anythingof whatever.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
I'll tell you a quick story, real quick.
Up at Sprinkle Valley last year, uswdgc, I was talking to my
girlfriend Shante.
We met her a little bit earlier.
She was talking to one of thefood vendors up there and he had

(51:11):
never played disc golf and he'sexpressing interest.
He lives there or not livesthere, he works there on the
disc golf course and he'sinterested in playing disc golf
course and he's interested inplaying disc golf.
So in talking I got to take himout for his first disc golf

(51:32):
experience on sprinkle valleynice, which is kind of what
you're saying, like not reallythe ideal disc golf experience
for the first timer.
And we get down.
We get down, hole one and he,you know, throws like 12 times
to get to the basket or whateverand we're like, okay, we're
doing all right.
And hole two, I lose my discand we spent like 20 minutes

(51:56):
looking for my disc and dudefalls down and gets caught in
the briars and he's like, oh,it's not briars, it's barbed
wire.
And I had to go help him pullthe barbed wire out of his leg.
He's like bleeding down his legand I'm like, dude, I
understand, this is your firstdisc golf experience If you need

(52:19):
to go home and clean that up.
He's like I'm having the besttime of my life man.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 (52:28):
Yeah, that's classic.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Alright.
So we kind of wiped up his legand on the next hole he lost my
dogs.
They fell down into the creek.
Did you find your bags?
We couldn't get them out of it.
I mean, it took us a while toget him out of the creek and I
was like man, I swear this isnot what most disc golf is like.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
He's like I'm hooked man yeah, hell, yeah, that's
awesome, so we'll bounce over toHolland real quick.
What kind of tips or likestrategy can you offer people
getting like playing at courseslike these?
Because we have a lot of tightwooded courses up here, uh,

(53:11):
everywhere we just play in thewoods.
That's what we do.
And then second half of thatquestion is one thing that I
have trouble with personally is,like I we play all these tight
wooded technical courses whereit's scramble, scramble,
scramble, scramble and you getkind of good at it after a while
, but then you go out to like anopen course and it's like a

(53:31):
whole different ballgame likewhat kind of knowledge or wisdom
can you offer to us?
you know mere mortals out there.

Speaker 9 (53:42):
I mean, I guess my biggest advice if you're playing
, you know, a tight woodedcourse, is kind of just ask
yourself you know what?
What are my best shots?
You know what are the discs inmy bag I feel like I can hit a
gap with the most confidently.
What's the discs I can throwthe straightest, not necessarily
get the most distance with, butat least get the most reliable,
repeatable shots with andreally try to throw those as

(54:02):
much as possible, because a lotof times just sticking in the
fairway is going to get you thebest score, more so than trying
to give yourself a putt all thetime, because the the less you
have to scramble one, you'regonna your frustration levels
will be lower and you'll playbetter for that reason.
But also you're just gonna keepthe game so much more simple.
And then the second part ofyour question once you're going
out into the open it's a littlemore freeform and it can kind of

(54:25):
be hard.
You don't have anything kind offorcing you to shape shots in a
certain way, but generally youknow, if it's like a windy day,
if you have a good understandingof what your discs are going to
do in some different winds andkind of playing that, but also
just using maybe some landmarksoff in the distance to kind of
serve as your shot shapeassistance.
So you know, you see a tree wayoff in the distance and you

(54:47):
need to.
You know, just throw a hyzer,you can use that tree to kind of
be like all right, let's startit out right of this tree.
It should swing back and kindof create lines.
You know, using stuff that'soff in the distance.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
So let's jump back over here.
Do you guys, when you're liningup shots and everything and
you're trying to hit those gaps,you know, miss that tree, miss
that tree, like?
How far down the fairway do youguys plan that out?
I mean, is it like Until thedisc's done moving.
Yeah, because for like me, I'mlike okay, well, if I can get
past like the first, like 100feet, like I'm good, and then

(55:22):
it's like all luck from there.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Let the first like 100 feet like I'm good, and then
it's like all luck from there.
Let's be honest, if you couldjust miss the tree.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
You'd be a lot better , james talk about main states.

Speaker 10 (55:30):
I mean what I?
One thing I kind of keep twothings in mind when I'm playing
tech courses, and I grew up notplaying tech courses so I had to
learn this.
It's still not something I'mcomfortable with.
But the first thing if I have asmall gap in front of me you
know almost every hole out hereI'm picking something in the
background and I'm just sayingI'm going to hit that.
That helps me, not concernedabout this tree or this tree,

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I'm just focused on the back.
Once I get through that gap, Idon't really care what happens,
like I'm not going to lace thegap perfect and then hit a tree
400 feet down there and getpissed off because I hit a tree
down there Like I threw a goodshot.
It's disc golf.
Sometimes you're going to keepgetting through, sometimes
you're not, but you can't letthose ones frustrate you, and so
you know.
I think the other thing thatkind of plays to my advantage is

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my.
Really my only goal is likegive myself an opportunity,
throw it inside circle two.
I don't necessarily need to tryto throw every hole in the
bullseye like.
I'd rather throw a decent shotand trust my putt you know, so I
don't need to worry about beingin circle one or throwing the

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perfect shot anything outside of80.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
You're good.

Speaker 10 (56:40):
Yeah, I just you know if I can throw it inside 60
feet, I'm happy.
I'm like I got a chance to makethe putt.
Casey, you know Pineland, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I mean he torched Pineland, yeah, and I was on the
bag and it was like he just putit through every gap.
Didn't really watch what it didafter it went through the gap.
He's like cool job's done andthen cashed a couple 40-footers
and made it the easiest.
I said it to a few people youdidn't look like you were

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torching that course.
It didn't look like you weredoing anything special to shoot
16 down or 14, 15, whatever youshot.
It was insane.
But how you kept doing thesimple things right, shot after
shot after shot, was reallyimpressive to watch.
It's like it wasn't doinganything crazy.

Speaker 10 (57:32):
I didn't blow my way .
Yeah, I think it was a 15 and Ididn't throw my way to a 15
down.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I put it my way yeah, but but you gave yourself an
opportunity on 18 of 18 holesalmost maybe 16 of 18 holes, and
miss one putt maybe, and thatwas like a 70 footer obstructed
yeah I mean we talk aboutstresses of of this course
versus like an open course.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
An open course, you're like I need to get this
within 20 feet every timebecause there's nothing in the
way yeah on this course, you youhave to trust your putting
within, say, 60.
You need to be like if I canjust give myself chances and
chances, whether for birdie orpar, you can't be sitting there
like I'm not under it.
I failed.
You said I'm giving myself achance to execute the next shot.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yeah, they definitely don't come easy on these wooded
courses.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Obstructed 40-footers are going to be a prime place
to land on this course.
You're going to have probably adozen, if not more than that
over three rounds.
I mean I'll vouch for.
Creativity is exciting.
Expected result is terrifying.
Like when I land in the middleof the fairway and I have

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nothing, but nothing in betweenme and the basket.
I'm like, oh shit, like Ibetter pull this off If I'm way
out and I'm like, oh shit, likeI better pull this off if I'm
way out and I'm like nobody'sever thrown this route before
they have no idea what I'm aboutto do.
And you take, like, the fairwaythat has now become your
fairway.
It's nobody else's fairway, butit's yours now.
That's when the 40 footer islike oh well, I'm making that
now yeah, but when you have theperfect shot and you put it to

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40 feet short.
You're like ah, I knew it.
I knew I wasn't going to get itthere.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
It's almost harder when you're lined up, Even on 13
, where you're sitting therestaring down the gap.
You're like I don't know whatI'm going to throw.
Do you just go dead straight400 feet?
You're like give me a littlebit left, I can flex a forehand,
throw a flip up, do something.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
But the second, staring straight.
You're like I'm going to try,see what I can do.
Facing adversity is a lot moreeasy to believe in yourself than
sometimes.
I mean, that's just me.
But when you land in the idealof ideal landing zone, it's a
lot harder to be like.
Oh yes, of course I'm justgoing to lace this shot, just
like the first one.
But when you're faced with awhat do you want to say?

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Impossible or improbable task,that's when you're like these
people don't know, I've got thisin the bag all day, you hype
yourself up rather than bescared of oh well, now I better
execute, because I've alreadyput myself in position.

Speaker 10 (01:00:03):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
So do you execute because I've already put myself
in position?
Do you change your kit at allwhen you guys come out to a
wooden course like this?
Do you guys change your kit forevery course?

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
I think I do more than most players on tour.
Almost every single course islike six discs in, six discs out
.
But the one thing that well, Iwouldn't say the one thing that
never changes.
But Matty-O recently told methat he thinks I'm the best
seven speed thrower in the world.
So right now I have seven,seven speeds in my bag and I

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just throw those at all costs.
And if it's 400 feet, it'sseven speed hard, if it's 350
feet, it's seven speed.
Stand still, Sidearm, backhand,you name it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Isn't that how you ace at USDGC?

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
Yeah, seven speed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, my signature disc.
What about you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Do you guys change your kit at all for a course
like this, or do you change itevery week, or how does that
work for you?

Speaker 10 (01:00:58):
I switch discs in and out a lot and you know, for
example, on this course, youknow, or going back to Champions
Cup, champions Cup, I probablyhad six destroyers in my bag out
here, one I only.
I think I have a destroyer anda wraith, you know, and that's
it.
I throw a destroyer on hold,two's t shot and that's it, and

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the rest is all fairways andmids.
Um, so yeah, I mean, I also,you know, will change my discs
regularly, but I feel like theseare the two extremes.
Where you know a lot of golfcourses, I'll definitely add a
couple more distance drivers andhere, you know, I took out some
distance drivers.
I think I added one or two midsand maybe another fairway, did

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you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
throw a mid at Champions Cup?
Yeah, did anybody here throw amid range at Champions Cup?
I did a couple times.

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
Second shot on one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Actually on a backhand.
I got far enough, right towhere I just threw a straight
backhand.
I threw like a pitch out with amid.
I was pinched off on a mando.
That's the only mid range.
I threw all tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
So what about you guys?
How do you guys change your bagfor a course like this?
Or how often do you change yourbag?

Speaker 9 (01:02:05):
Yeah, I mean I have kind of a core, few molds that
just always stay in the bag and,honestly, most courses this
year before Champions Cup Ibarely threw any distance
drivers because we just didn'tneed them yet.
But, like Champions Cup, youknow, had to put some nukes in
the bag.
I had put my roller disc in thebag, but I don't usually need
those on most courses.
So, like this weekend, probablynot throwing any nukes.

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I might throw a forehand forcea couple times, but it's going
to be mostly the fairways andthe mid-ranges for me.
I don't change my bag a tonjust because I don't have that
many discs that I need to throw,but I will take the faster
stuff out for wooded courses andthen I'll take the flippy stuff
out for more open courses.
Usually.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
How about Eric?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
My bag is pretty much the same most tournaments and I
just get really tuned in withthose discs.
I think the only thing thatchanges is weather and potential
to lose discs like water.

Speaker 10 (01:03:02):
It's like oh cool water.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Here's two more emperors and an extra omen that
I need to, like, just in case.
Or an extra zone, because Idunked mine at Champions Cup and
I was like, cool, I had anextra zone in that I need to,
just in case.
Or an extra zone, because Idunked mine at Champions Cup and
I was like cool, had an extrazone in the bag, next hole.
I needed to throw an approachand then it got swam out later.
So I really add when I need toand or if I'm like this feels
good, let's go try it, and thenif it's like, oh, I can start

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using this in the bag, it'llfind its way into the bag.
To your same standpoint, I'mbagging six dynasties perfect, I
love it.
Love it forehand, backhand,everything.
I have every shot, fromoverstable to roller which shut
up, james, I can throw a roller.
Not with that dynasty.
No, I got my roller.
Dynasties have been absolutetrash lately, so it's been

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hilarious watching them comedown and cut and run as far left
as possible and never stand upand I'm like I can do this
promise.
It's so funny.
But yeah, I'm, my bag is very.
Stays the same.
I think I get maybe two, two inlove with some of my discs.
How often do you see discsnever coming off the bench from

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like a tournament, like youplayed a whole tournament.
You look in your bag and youcan count how many never got
thrown.
Oh, totally like I'm havingthree pathfinders so they never
got thrown at champions.
Of course they did, it was, butI was like there's an
opportunity that I might want afan grip straight shot approach
that a putter can't do, and Iwas like I would rather it be in
there than me to ever.
Because, yeah, I'll tell youthis, I played a tournament

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where I didn't expect the windand I didn't have the tools.
It was a absolute nightmare andit haunts me to this day.
I do not want to ever walk intoa tournament where I feel like
I don't have the tools becausebecause of an oversight, of
something that I could controlnot that it's like oh, I just
don't have that disc in myrepertoire.

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It it's like no, I have it, itjust needs to be in the back,
and I don't want to ever putmyself in that situation.
So if I think the wind's goingto be up, cool, a couple extra
stable discs like ones that arereally tanky.
Yeah, but then at the same time,on an open course, the
mid-ranges are probably going tostay in there, just because

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I've been in places where I needto throw a patent-pending
turnover and it's hard to dothat with a fairway driver,
sometimes depending on thedistance, and I feel more
comfortable with the mid-range.
So I just want to have itrather than not.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Okay so we're ranging here from pretty solid, solid,
stable bags to take out a fewand put in a few, that type of
thing.
Matt, do you adjust your bag atall?

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
I can't say I adjust my bag much as a more amateur
player bagging courses anycourse.
I have no idea what the courseis gonna throw at me and so I'm
not.
I'm personally I'm notpreparing for playing the same
course for a tournament.

(01:06:00):
I mean, I do play tournaments,but most, a lot of the
tournaments I play are blind andI don't even know what to
expect when I go into the course.
So I carry the same bag that Icarried 15 years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah, matt has a rock in his bag older than me.
Yeah.
Crazy, crazy.
And he throws it well.
James does too, james' bag isinsane.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Under a stable rock.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Oh yeah, what's that disc in your bag, the CE disc
that you were throwing?
Is it a?

Speaker 10 (01:06:33):
leopard.
Oh, it's a leopard.
Yeah, CE leopard.
I have two of them in the bag.
Like the opaque, chalkyfingertippy or pretty nice One's
, really nice One is like alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
It's the most expensive bag Careful it's like
51 degrees right now.

Speaker 10 (01:06:47):
I think it could shatter this weekend.
It won't hit a tree, don'tworry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
It won't hit a tree, all right After you just said
you don't care if you hit thetree 400 feet down the fairway.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
It's slow enough by that point.
All right, I'll give you that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
So yeah, I carry the same three rocks, the same three
T-Birds and the same three.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Firebirds that I've been carrying for the last 15
years.
Wow, you would love my bag, thedream bag.
That's it, just those three.

Speaker 11 (01:07:15):
So how are?

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
you guys adjusting strategies for this tournament,
with the wooded courses and thefield of players that you're
going to be facing.
What are some of your concerns,what are some of the things
you're working on and what doyou guys plan on bringing to the
table?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Don't adjust for the players.
It's you versus the course.
You can't control what anyoneelse does, and I say this every
player who is showing up hasevery belief that this could be
their tournament.
I hope so.
I've been on tour for 10 years.
I have zero pro tour wins andif I wanted to go and boost my

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win tally I'd play local events.
I don't do that because Ichallenge myself and compete on
tour, but I still believe thatany one of these weekends can be
my weekend, even if I playedlike ass the weekend before.
I know that it doesn't matterbecause my skills, where I
currently stand, I have everyability to win the event and I

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have to believe in that and Ithink most players do.
So what am I going to be ableto do?
That's going to put Casey offhis game Literally nothing,
because that becomesdisingenuine and that becomes
not what this game is about.
But if I go out and just shredand earn it, that's all that
matters.
And where we're at in disc golfis you can go and have yourself

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a pretty good weekend and feelreally great about it and get
last cash on the Pro Tour.
Yeah, very easy to do that.
It's hard.
And that's okay.
It's because players are really, really good.
It feels easier to do that.
It feels easier to have aweekend of golf you're very,
very proud of and get last cashor one off of cash, than it is
to just suck all weekend Becauseyou want it so bad.

(01:09:04):
So you have so many good shotsand memorable moments and I
actually put a vlog out over thewinter when I was building my
van, of just footage of me fromD-Glo because I felt like I
played a great tournament and Idid not make the cut.
I'm like here's what great golflooks like when you make no
money.
That was the story of the video.
It happens to 12 to 20 playersevery single week.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
You wouldn't enter a tournament, unless you thought
you had a chance, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
And that's what I just said.
I would hope that they feel theway that Eric's saying that
they should feel If you don'tfeel like you have a chance,
then you shouldn't be playing.
I would hope that every singleplayer believes in themselves
the way that I believe in myself.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I love that.
Don't play against the player.
Play against the players.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
If this was soccer or something like that, I know I
can go and get stuck in on achallenge and maybe put a player
off.
You don't have to guard anybody?
Yeah, it's literally me throwingmy shots Like oh, casey made a
putt, that's why I missed mine.
No, that's my brain beingstupid and manifesting things
that aren't there.
Well, when I made my putt, andthen I started up the ice cream

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truck.
Yeah right, dude, that wouldexcite me.
I probably couldn't putt withice cream music going on, so I
get why James missed that.
You were on lead card that day,weren't you?
I thought you were.
I did a chase card two yearsago.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a good showing two years ago
.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a good showing.
I'm so excited to be back herebecause hit gaps make putts and
I got I had bonus putts thatround in round one to earn it.
It's like that's kind of whatthis course, I think, is going
to ask of you.
It's like, do your thing, staywithin what you control and if
it ends up being good enough forthe weekend, that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
That's what it's going to take I, I totally still
remember when you eagled on 10,yeah, and then almost aced 11,
yeah, yeah, that was crazy no, Ialmost aced eight, was it?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
yeah, no, nine, nine, yeah it was nine and then hit
the hit the band on nine andthen came out to the par three,
a par four.
That's the chip out, chip in.
Yeah, yeah, it's new newnumbers.
But then, yeah, went sidearm,sidearm spice into the bucket.
So I was like that's a good twoholes.
Yeah, so almost aced and thenget an eagle.
I was like well, sweet threeunder through two holes.

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I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
It's pretty dope it's pretty dope, all right, so
let's just go down the line herereal quick.
What is the number one thingthat you could tell an amateur
to help improve their game?

Speaker 9 (01:11:34):
Oh man, there's so many things I could tell an
amateur to help improve theirgame.
I mean, I guess I feel likeI've harped on it a few times,
but it's just having anunderstanding of your strengths
and weaknesses and sticking tothose strengths and then you
know, depending on how much timeyou want to dedicate to
practicing.
You know getting a good base oftechnique is always going to

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set you up for success in thelong run.
But yeah, it's just stick tothose strengths when you're
competing, work on kind of thestuff that's on the edge of your
comfort zone when you'repracticing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
How about you, Eric?
What would you recommend anamateur does to help improve
their game out here?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Throw a lot.
Stop scoring your rounds, justgo throw.
Look at how athletes and sportsteams when they go about things
.
They don't play scrimmage afterscrimmage after scrimmage and
simulate game, game, game, onlygame.

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No, they are training, they arerunning plays, they are dialing
in their skills, they areunderstanding ways to make
themselves better and some ofthat's through game application.
But they're not scoring thosegames.
They're going through it tomake sure that they understand
the system that they need toplay.
And I think that transfers overto disc golf immensely.
If you are on a course and allyou're doing is scoring, you're

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not learning necessarily whatshots you want to be throwing.
You're just throwing and thengoing to the next shot to throw
it if it was good or bad.
And it should be aboutunderstanding and that's why
we've talked about it a bunch.
I know what my good shots are,I know what shots I'm going to
look for, so I stay in thatheadspace.
But that's from playingpractice rounds that I'm not

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scoring, because it's justfiguring out the course and also
seeing that, like dang, I amthis, this, this dynasty on a
slight hyzer.
Forehand is really good atstaying straight the whole way
for this distance and I'm like,okay, well, oh, I can use that
here, I can use that there, andthat's what I'm starting to
build in and apply to thiswidespread of my game.

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And then I'll carry that sameinformation to the next event,
to future tournaments.
And then I mean, how many timeshave you played a hole?
And you're like, oh, I'vethrown a hole like this before
and it feels effortless.
That's the type of practicewe're trying to simulate with
playing less scored rounds andmore of those rounds like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Yeah, it seems as we get older in the game there's a
lot more of the same types ofshots.
Yeah, it seems very repetitive.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
I have a hole in Pensacola.
I think about all the time.
When it comes to gap hitting Isay, all right, you're at hole
five at Hitzman and it's a deadstraight tunnel shot and it's
sick and I have to and I have torow and I can.
I use it for mid ranges.
I throw fairways on it.
I go a long pass it with longerfairways, but it's to me it
simulates a lot of the gaps thatI need to hit because it's a

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long straight tunnel that I haveto keep hitting.
So I go back and I'm like, yeah, we just saw a little five at
Hitzman.
So I line up on a similar spoton the tee pad and then I go
through my shot and I executeand I stay committed and
remember how that feels.
So I put myself back there.
More than anything, it's takingsome of the brain processing

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out of it because I just go backto that muscle memory and just
trust I know give me a out of it, because I just go back to that
muscle memory and just trustYou're next, rob.

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
I know, give me a second.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I mean, I can go for it if you want.

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Footwork is so underrated.
My dad can throw a disc in astraight line every single time.
He'll never miss a gap if he isjust letting himself like, just
take it, take it smooth, and,like you know, everybody always
goes.
Oh well, I can throw this far,but the shot is calling for a

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shot, a distance that I'm notcapable of and they always do
like either a longer last stepor a faster pace and like having
the same footwork every singletime, like people never really
talk about it, but that's reallyall it comes down to.
When hitting gaps like I havefound myself without, like I say
, I lost my swing and I'll lookat a video of me throwing that

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hole from wherever and be likewhere the hell were my feet and
that's when I end up finding itand I'll hit the gap the next
time because I know exactlywhere I started and exactly
where I finished.
And basically I mean, obviouslythere's a lot of other things
that can go wrong, but if youcan get your footwork down to
where you know, you just shutoff the brain and just enter

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your muscle memory and it justbrings you perfectly to your
mini or wherever you want tofinish on the tee box, like the
worst you're going to do is hitthat late tree, like james said
you know well, and even if youhit the late tree, I mean,
you're still eating up 300 feet,like that's not a bad throw

(01:16:23):
yeah, absolutely.
I mean, everybody's gotsomething to be proud of.
And that's like where you'resaying like a tip for an amateur
.
If I'm talking to an amateur,that's like thinking about
starting to play MA1 versus MA2,or am I talking to an amateur
that's like going to AMNATS andgoing to AMWorlds and all that
stuff, like aspiring to be a pro.
Those are two differentconversations and two different

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angles of attack.
As far as giving advice, how so.
The person going from MA2 to MA1, it's more on Holland's thing,
just knowing your strengths andyour weaknesses.
Stay away from your weaknesses.
Don't try and be somebodyyou're not.
Stick to what you know.
Throw the shots you throw thebest.
Somebody that is aspiring to bea pro going to national amateur

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tournaments.
If somebody beats you in around of disc golf, don't get
mad about it.
Learn from it.
Why did they beat you?
What did they have that youdidn't?
Whether it's mental fortitude,whether it's a consistent
sidearm, whether it's a circletwo putt All of those things is
what showed me what I wasmissing, that I was able to

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aspire to be like the bestplayers in Massachusetts during
my time coming up.
Casey, you were a sponge.
Yeah, you soaked up every roundof golf and every bit of golf
you could.

Speaker 6 (01:17:39):
And I still remember all and I've seen you back at.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Nantucket and then be out in Mass.
You were so excited and soakedin every bit of knowledge and it
shows, it's really impressive.
And now you're the person who'syou're kind of rinsing yourself
out and spreading thatknowledge to all the people you
interact with too yeah, andyou're still a sponge to this
day too, because you're stilllearning from the people we're

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out.
It's like it's a wonderfulthing.
I using the term sponge, I knowcan be weird, but also no, no,
it's it's a perfect analogy.
You soaked it all up.
Absolutely.
My mom always used to tell methe same thing.
When I would go on a trip withCastro and Chris Clemens and I
would be going with the big dogson a road trip, she would say
be a sponge, love it.
That's what she would say everysingle time.
She would tell me to be asponge.

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Your mom would be proud.

Speaker 10 (01:18:30):
Yes, how about James ?
What do you think?
I think if you want to be agood disc golfer, you have to
fall in love with putting.
I think if you can become agood putter, you know, hopefully
you can figure the throw out.
But I think you know that's theeasiest way to save strokes.
It's the least frustrating wayto play.
You know I would hate to be agood thrower and miss every 25

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footer like I would drive myselfcrazy.
So I mean it's my favorite partof the game you know, obviously
throwing is important go watchGannon or watch YouTube or
something.
But I think you know if you canfollow love with putting, if you
can be confident inside thecircle, you know if you can be
one of the best putters in yourarea, then you'll do all right,

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I mean you and Eric have been onthe tour for a decade, or
whatever you want to call yourtour stint Eric's been on the
tour for a decade straight.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
How many players have you seen?
550 plus, no problem inside of20?

Speaker 7 (01:19:26):
Never a chance.
You know so many.
They come and go and it'sunfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Their skill ceiling is higher than most.
Oh, but their floors are so lowthat that's what keeps them
down.
And then they then the mentalfortitude, like you talked about
crumbles, and they're gone.
Yeah, and would I say I havethe best mental fortitude.
Don't ask the pdga that,because they have different
thoughts on that, but I havedifferent thoughts on that too,
but we won't go into that.

(01:19:51):
Point being is that I do havegood mental fortitude and I have
found ways to make myself stayin the game, because I did.
I stopped trying to throw 550feet.
I started to understand thatI'm going to put the disc
exactly where I want, right, andI'm going to play this course
for what I want.
I'm doing it a lot more thisyear.
I haven't thrown a 12-speedbackhand off the tee in I don't

(01:20:13):
know how long, because I just go9-speed exactly where I want,
cool.
Oh, I have to throw another9-speed instead of a mid-range
into the pin.
Doesn't matter, I like throwing9-speeds right now.
Let's do that, and that's thebest part of this.
I'm adapting to the courses.
I'm not complaining or anythinglike that.
I'm just going out and doing mybest and forgetting the rest.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
I dig it.
I dig it.
All right, Robert, you're backon the hot seat.

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
I mean.
I just want to add on, I think,because trying to play to your
strengths is also very, veryimportant, and we've heard that
a few times now, Whether that'sJames playing for his putting
anything within 60, whetherthat's certain players throwing
to the basket like you see ABbeing like, I will get inside 40

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on 18 out of 18 holes and thenmake nine of them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Let him have it.
I'd say I don't care, you can'tmake them all.

Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
That's right, he can't, but he's starting to.
Um.
But my advice to an amateurplayer would be, as much as in
tournament, you want to play toyour strengths when you're in
practice, try that shot.
You don't want to throw?
Yeah, try that shot.
You haven't thrown and you'reand doesn't fit the hole, but
see if you can do it.

(01:21:27):
See if you can flip upbeforehand on on that 400-foot
hole.
See if you can flex something.
See if you can find new ways toenjoy it, new flights that you
can learn, love that.
Don't stick to what you know,because that's how it gets
repetitive and that's part ofwhat the pro tour gives us is.
Week after week.
We get there and we're likehave to know my strength, have

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to play to it.
But that's why you see amateurshaving arguably more fun than
we do, because they get to try aton of different shots that we
wouldn't think about, becausewe're like I would never do that
.
That's just not worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Well, I think it's something that well, yeah, stick
to your strengths, but tobounce back for the putting
thing real quick.
It's something I tried to tellJenny any a while ago is that
like you know you, you it's thewhole.
You know putt for dough, youknow drive for show type of
thing.
But how many times on tour likesomebody smashes a huge, like

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600 foot drive, and people arelike, oh, but you sink a 60
footer.
Everybody, everybody goes nuts,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Good point.
I mean.
That's why I kind of say, likeanything Anthony Barella does at
this point with a backhanddrive, I'm like, of course,
nothing surprises me anymore,none of it.
Oh, he outdrove hole two atShelton Springs.
Wouldn't be surprised, it'sjust for real.
But then, like he's got like a60 mile an hour headwind, 40

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footer, and he's like battlingfor the win, he makes that and
it's like now we're wow, that'sway more impressive, right,
right.
Well, you can't even designcourses to to hold back ab,
because it's just gonna breakthe rest of the field, let him
have it, and it's like, yeah, ifpeople have that skill, we
we're fine.
Yes, I think that's just awesometo see in disc golf.
Let's celebrate this as much aswe possibly can.

(01:23:13):
We have had course designersthat are hyper-fixated on these
Eagle-proofed yeah,eagle-proofing Simon-proofing
holes.
It's like, stop, they have thatskill set, let them have it.
Don't make this worse for therest of the field.
Stop trying to tailor to oneportion of the field.
That's what, loki, no offenseto it, but kind of what happens

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on the back nine of D-Glo.
It's tailored towards these bigthrowers.
And then you just have thisriddled of white on the PDGA.
It's just pars on pars, on,pars, on pars on pars, on pars,
I don't even think it's tailoredto them.
It's tailored against them,yeah.
But they're the only ones thatstill have the perfect
capability of.
You know we need to bechallenging.

(01:23:59):
And I come back to a courselike this and you might have
some guys who do YouTube videosand they might say that this
course is janky and things likethat.
They might not like it becausethey can't rip a distance driver
on every single hole.
And that's fine and that'stheir opinion, but we're on a
course that is asking a lot ofus, that is asking us to change

(01:24:22):
our shapes and and sometimesdown tempo shots and be able to
do that.
I like that.
I like when a course is like.
I had a practice round withErica Stinchcomb earlier and
she's like and I threw, like mybackhand felt awkward, and she's
like yeah, well, you went sixholes throwing four hands only.
It's been a while since you'vethrown a backhand.

(01:24:42):
That makes sense that that feltawkward.
Love that, because that is mehaving to adjust and make sure
that I stay locked in that evenif it goes, oh cool, I haven't
had a 35 footer all around, I'mstill locked in and know how to
make that 35 footer.
Or I know how to throw thatbackhand hyzer flip, even though
I haven't thrown it in 17 holesLike I have to be able to do

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that.
That's what this course isasking of us.
You can get really locked in onsome of those bigger courses of
just Heisering your way tovictory.
So I think that that'ssomething really special here.
Yep, yep.
And I mean there's something tobe said about course design on
tour, being that I go all overthe country, all over the world,

(01:25:27):
and I tell people you knowwhat's not difficult for me, I
can do with my eyes closed 400for Heiser.
You know what's terrifying200-foot straight putter Because
I am never, ever challengedwith a 200-foot straight putter.
However, there is one shot ontour that it decides the winner
almost every year.
That is hole 17 at the preserve.

(01:25:48):
We are on this playground of agolf course for an entire
weekend, all weekend long, youcan land the disc basically
wherever you want, not in thewater.
You can air out the distancedrivers, you can lay down the
rollers and then, when it comesdown to crunch time, you might
have a par five to finish, butyou have to survive a 200 foot
straight putter shot with treeslining the fairway.

(01:26:09):
And several people have lost.
It's pace, control and youhaven't thrown a pace control
shot, maybe since you warmed up.
And almost every single yearsomebody loses the tournament on
that hole.
The tournament has never won onhole 17,.
But it can be lost and it's athing of beauty.
Love that, Casey.
That's big brain stuff, dude.

(01:26:30):
We do a lot of driving in our.
You think we dive into that forsure.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Well, one of the things I was going to say is
that so, shelton, there's not alot of changes that have been
made that are just for the ProTour.
So, as an amateur, it's reallynice to be able to go out there
and I've been watching some ofyour videos from the previous
years and then I can go out andplay the same course too and be
like, okay, so I can make someof those shots, I can make some

(01:26:58):
different shots, but it's niceto be able to actually go out to
the course and it's not muchdifferent than it is right now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Right, I'm always in favor of permanent courses on
tour that connect the everydayplayer with the pro tour players
that are only here once a year.
Look at Northwood Black.
We talked about this today.
It's like how, once it becamepermanent, that the course is
actually a lot more playablethan it was the first year we
played it.
Oh, yeah, that first year was anightmare.
That's how 12 and 13 will behere.

(01:27:24):
They'll get a little morebeaten down by the foot traffic
and people being excited to comeand play up here.
Those holes are going to getbetter with time and as they add
more holes.
That's the same concept that'sgoing to happen.
I think the courses can startout a little hairy, but as long
as they are available to thepublic and they can slowly build
themselves out and growthemselves in, it's going to

(01:27:46):
make it more fun for us in thelong run.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
So part of the buzz that I'm seeing online so far
from the Cascade Challengehardest course on the Pro Tour.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
No, no, not even close, I'm sorry.
No chance, north or black.
Well, let's ask that question.
What do we think?

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
it is North or black Go on North or black.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
No, not a doubt in my mind.
Og, north or Black.

Speaker 6 (01:28:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Not Champions Cup North, or Black Like OG, og with
those like with that 200 footputter shot, 200 foot putter
shot, par four included, likethat's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, that one was.
That's horrible.
But guess what?
There's a log that you can'tjust slide it up to the landing
zone load it and sink it.

Speaker 10 (01:28:36):
You know those types of shots.
What do you think, james, doyou agree?

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
um, I mean, yeah, I think tompa to disc golf center.

Speaker 10 (01:28:38):
Okay, that's a good choice I always think the states
first.
Yeah, yeah, I think.
I mean I'll be curious to seehow this plays, because it's
going to play harder than theyears before I would hope so.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
We were shredding it before.

Speaker 10 (01:28:49):
Yeah, you know it's funny.
You look at courses Like Iremember last year, the only
course where no one shot doubledigits was Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
No, they're black too .

Speaker 10 (01:28:59):
And maybe Northwood Black too.
Yeah, hot round was eight.
Okay, and because you shot it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
No, I shot seven Ezra , shot eight, ezra eight, or
hold shot eight to make the cutin round 3.
Oh, that's sick.

Speaker 10 (01:29:11):
But, like you know, that course didn't change a
whole lot and then people wereshooting like 13 under on that
course this year.
So it's like you know I don'tknow what the hot round was At
Tompita Disc Golf Center.
We played it in awful weatherconditions.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
I think it was that first day it was Donnie Randon,
lata and Paul McBeth shot seven,oh no.
And then Gannon shot nine.
I think Gannon shot nine.
Of course he did.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
Of course he did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Exactly.
Same thing as Anthony Burrellthrowing far Gannon Burr hot
round.
Of course he did.

Speaker 10 (01:29:36):
Yeah, you can't change it With this course.
You know it doesn't havenecessarily a lot of the holes,
other than, like maybe that 11,12, 13 stretch where you're like
You're puckered.
Yeah, and you know I could seea lot of people taking singles,

(01:30:00):
but I don't see a ton of doublebogeys or triples out here, like
no tournament ruiners or evenround ruiners.
You know some of the coursesyou see people go birdie, triple
, birdie bogey, double, tripleall over the place and here I
feel like and I'm not sayingit's a bad thing, but I'm not

(01:30:20):
really worried about taking adouble or a triple unless
something goes super haywire.
I think it's going to be a lotof just pars, single bogeys and
birdies.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Yeah, you almost have to bring in weather conditions,
because this weekend is notlooking very friendly for now.
It's always possible to rainaround here, bro, but I still
feel like the doubles are double.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
at worst, it's probably what you're seeing out
here, you just have an earlyslip.
Good for us.
There are people out here thatare like I cannot triple hole 11
.
I cannot triple hole 11.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
And that's good confidence to have.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
I feel the same way that James does, as long as I'm
committed to my shots, that Idon't think doubles should be
really in my mind.
It can happen, because it canhappen on any course.
A bad kick to a bad roll, to aspit out, it's like, well, that
sucks.
It's also something to do withfairness of a course.
Sure, I was.

(01:31:11):
It's also something to do with,like, fairness of a course.
Sure, like I said, I was sayingabout mill ridge, which is not
a beloved course on the tour.
But I said plain, plain andsimple, black and white the
first two years when simon won,I said that's because it's the
most fair course on tour.
Simon didn't get unlucky andhe's the unluckiest player I
know.
Yeah, and that's why he won andthat's why he didn't win this
year, because he couldn't getlucky and win.

(01:31:32):
Yeah, it was earned by whoeverwas going to shoot the best and
there was nothing disputing itother than whoever shot the best
was going to win.
And I feel like Champions Cupwas the exact same way.
There is OB all over thatcourse and when you look at the
stats for the full tournament,like half the tournament didn't
take a double bogey.
I went OB twice on the samehole and I did not take a double

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bogey.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Yeah, it's weird how it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
But like a course like this, where it is like the
you know early tree on 11kicking left or whatever.
12, the new par 5?
Oh, 12.
Yeah, that's a triple bogey ina second.
But depends on who we'retalking about here.
Are we talking about the peopleon lead card after round one?
Probably not.
Yeah, but in the field for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
So, rob, what's the hardest course, do you think?
Do you agree with NorthwoodBlack?

Speaker 8 (01:32:22):
No, not even close he got top ten there last year,
just so you know.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
I don't think so Heck , yeah, dude 10 there last year,
just so you know.
Yeah, I northwood black hasstayed the same for enough years
on tour to where, if, even ifthey revert it back, I mean
that's, I don't think any shotsthere are tight enough to where
you're sitting there, like Ineed to really like laser focus

(01:32:48):
in and make sure I hit this gapokay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
so just on a side tangent, you should be in my
mind when I play that.
I think Maple Hill, nevin orNorthwood Black.

Speaker 10 (01:32:54):
Which one do you think is harder?
I've never played Nevin.
Oh Nevin's so good.
That course is hard.
Yeah, that one I think it'sequal.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
I think those two are equal.
But Maple Hill, I'll give youthat because big numbers, that's
where I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
I think Maple, simply for you can take a triple
before you're even like wow, I'msitting.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
five, it's possible to take a triple in the birdie
stretch at Maple Hill which inmy opinion is two through five.
Yeah, there are triplable holeson that course, a hundred
percent Everywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:33:25):
But I think that and I also think Tampere over in
Europe is one of the hardestones.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
I agree with that.
What about because you have adifferent perspective here,
right?

Speaker 9 (01:33:35):
Yeah, because I mean obviously our layouts are, we
play the same courses, but wekind of don't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
No we don't.

Speaker 9 (01:33:40):
I don't think this course this week is up there for
me for hardest, because thereare holes that are maybe some of
the hardest we play on tour.
I think maybe 12 and 13 wouldbe up there, but then there's
also a lot of holes, like youguys said, like you're just not
going to do worse than a bogey.
We even have a pretty soft par5 with hole 2.
I kind of forgot it was a par 5.
To be completely honest, Ithink Northwood Black would be

(01:34:05):
up there because it requiressome touch in some places and
you have holes where everyone ishaving to throw slower discs,
not just the bigger arms,because I think with FPO and
kind of, the challenge with ourcourse design is the skill gap
between the top and bottom ofthe field is so much bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
For longer shots like you or Ella can often just go
to a mid-range, where most ofthe rest of the field is always
throwing a fairway, if not adistance driver.

Speaker 9 (01:34:37):
Yeah, and you've got some people.
Hole 18 at Sprinkle Valley wasso controversial because there
are some women who played thattournament who cannot do that
shot if it's windy like period.
You just don't have that everhappen.
In the MPO side I almost throwIdlew wild in the mix a little
bit just because there's a lotof randomness to it good

(01:34:58):
randomness or bad randomness inyour opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:34:59):
I think bad oh come on, I mean I don't?

Speaker 9 (01:35:03):
I'm not a huge fan of just having ob rivers yeah, no,
that whole 17 is not a goodhole what

Speaker 10 (01:35:12):
now, all of this being said, don't fall into the
trap of trying to make this theharder.
You're gonna ruin it like yeahthis course it's not, by any
means.
It's not one of the easiestcourses on to no, you're not
gonna shoot you're not gonnaneed to shoot 33 under in three
rounds to win out here.
No, but I feel like a lot oftimes course designers and TDs

(01:35:33):
fall into the trap of we've gotto make it harder, we've got to
challenge it Harder, harder,harder, harder.
Ropes, ropes, ropes.
They don't want to see.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Weird rules.
Hey, do you want to read thisfull paragraph?
And oh, and there's thissidevable puzzle.
And I say simple but it's ahard.
Simple Because you just got togo do and it doesn't need

(01:35:59):
arbitrary rules to make thecourse better.
I was about to say one thingthat Shelton does really well is
make me play from Narnia.
If I go to Narnia.
I deserve to throw my next shotfrom Narnia.
I don't just get rewarded witha fairway drop, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Which Narnia are we talking about here?

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
I mean, there are many.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
Depends which tree he hits, 400 feet down the fairway
.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
I mean, I think about somebody hitting first,
available on the hyzer on 15, Ithink, or 16.
Yeah, hitting first availableon the hyzer on uh, 15, I think,
or 16, yeah, 16, 16, yeah.
If somebody were kick rightlike in in most events, that
would just all be out of boundslike oh everything on the right
is just out of bounds, and thenthey'd just like have a decision
made for them, but like, firstof all, now we have to find the

(01:36:43):
disc yeah, that's a wholeproject, like that's a
demoralizing thing sometimes andlike it's all part of the game
and like I know people who wouldliterally just hit that tree
and and like if it was ob theywouldn't even look for it.
yeah, but we have to look for itnow because it's in play and I
love that well to.
To tack on to that, it's likeit's we've.
We end up with these placesthat are adding strokes without

(01:37:07):
even giving us the opportunityand I and I tend to not like
that because it takes away fromskill expression.
It takes away from the scrambleshots that we've learned to
throw.
I often said in my clinicssomebody asked me he's like you
didn't tell us about overhandsand I was like, well, here's the
thing.
I don't want to teach you howto throw overhands because I'm
teaching you to not have tothrow them because you ended up
in a bad position.

(01:37:27):
Because unless you're Jake Wolfor somebody like that who leans
on it, jared Stoll, it's likeawesome, do that?
That's a part of your skill setand you can figure that out.
I'm not going to be the one toteach you that, because I only
use it when I need to.
So I want to see more coursesallowing for our skill
expression not only off the teebut in the adverse situations,

(01:37:48):
come out.
Shelton does that, and I haveto use this as an example.
Northwood Black does that.
D-glow Back Nine does not dothat.
It just roped everything andtook away scrambling from
everybody.
So now it just turns to a weirdplace of who's chipping their
way in bounds down the stretchand it doesn't feel good.

(01:38:11):
We're not seeing our skillscome out in, I think, in the
best ways they could be.
A skill is still being asked ofus, but I think it's not and I
might speak for everybody it'snot the most fun way to play the
game either is to be chippingour way through a course.
I want to be playing the courseand trusting the shots that I

(01:38:31):
throw and I want to go out withwith the gas pedal down and if I
want to go earn it in that way,not have some rules take the
gas pedal away from me, and Ithink that that's far, far too
often that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
I think you touched on something there that I was
kind of toying with my own mindis do you feel like they maybe
make some of these, like youwere saying, just chip outs and
things like that?
Do you think they do that maybe, so it looks better like on TV
type of thing and kind ofartificially kind of?

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Maybe that might be part of it.
It could be speed of playthings, but I think we're at a
level of if we actually callpeople on time and we keep to
our 30 seconds somebody going inthe woods they have 30 seconds.
They need to figure out theirshot and get it done and if they
don't, they get a penalty forit.
So I think that there might bethe caveats of that of speed of

(01:39:29):
play and I think that theremight be the caveats of that of
speed of play.
And you know, I think having OBssometimes requires more
spotters, which requires morevolunteers, because then we need
to know where we went out ofbounds, that kind of stuff, and
we're playing a lot of blindshots to some OBs.
We can get an idea, but inreality we're still guessing and
it's just.
There are positives, positivesand negatives and there are easy

(01:39:51):
ways to look at it on from bothsides.
I just think, um, I think moreskill expression is is needed
right now, and I stand, I'llstand on that.
So when we take that away,where it's just straight into ob
, we don't get to express ourskill because we're back in the
fairway throwing a shot.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Yeah, that we've, that we're probably good enough
for yeah exactly well, it's likelike I hate to say, but like in
ball golf, if you go ob, you'restill in the stuff.
Right, you bring it back inbounds.
You take your drop, you'restill in the stuff.
In disc golf, you go ob and youbring it back in bounds.
Like you said, you're in thefairway like you have a.
You have a clear ish shot, Imean with probably decent

(01:40:31):
footing too.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Yeah, most likely the only way that we could even
come close to formulating thatwas like really high grass, and
then it would be like you know,like absurdly high grass.

Speaker 9 (01:40:46):
And then good luck finding discs at that point,
right right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
So it doesn't really work, unfortunately, this course
had that two years ago withthose yellow bushes.
On hole two If you pushed it toolong off the tee.
You didn't get a run up.
It was a natural bunker thatyou had to throw as stance.
I've heard that.
I've heard that they areinvasive, so that is a bummer
why they needed to be cut, butit's that brought to mind of

(01:41:11):
what could we do to create thatkind of stuff to where, if you
throw it into this spot, thefooting is awful to a point
where you won't be able to havea run up, or we change the rules
, and I've had this theory andI'll like, as a oh hazard rules
goes to being more like a youhave to throw a standstill from

(01:41:32):
this area.
No penalty, but you have tothrow a standstill Like a bunker
.

Speaker 7 (01:41:36):
Yes, so you can't ground your club, so you cannot
run up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
So that creates a skill expression of you now need
to learn how to throwstandstill backhand, standstill
forehands, and be able to dothose and execute a 350-foot
shot from a standstill forehandsand be able to do those and
execute a 350 foot shot from astandstill.
That becomes something that wenow, as players, have to adapt
and work on.
And now you're able to make useof areas, not by just giving a
stroke.
This isn't Oprah, where you geta stroke and you get a stroke.

(01:42:02):
Everybody gets a stroke.
No, we get to go earn ourstrokes for our play and the
decisions we make and the shotsand the skills that we have.
I mean, as somebody who lovesto throw standstills, I'm not
going to argue with that rule.
But segueing back to what tipI'd give to an amateur player.
Strengths and weaknesses astandstill used to be the

(01:42:25):
weakest part of my game and Ibuilt it up to be the strongest
part of my game, and I've donethat with several of the what I
would now call strengths in mygame is they were originally a
weakness and that's why they'rea strength now, and like I pride
myself on not really havingstrengths, I feel like all of my
shots are just equally goodenough for the pro tour and I'm

(01:42:45):
confident enough in every angleand every speed and all those
things.
It's just like shooter's choiceat every single tee box and
every single lie and putting too.
I can putt on Annie, I can putton Heiser, I can push putt,
spin, putt, whatever.
It's just like being able toattack whatever shot is in front
of me.
However, I want to expressmyself Build your toolbox.

(01:43:07):
Yeah, have a plethora of toolsand have a good time.
Be proud of the shots you throw.
Don't do it because you feellike Nate Heinel told you you
had to.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
I'm going to do it because Casey White told me I
had to.
That's better.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
I was going to say one of the things I hear you
guys saying is the creativity indisc golf, and one of the
things I really loved when wemade the course for Chief Kitsap
and we were able to take thekids around any time is just
watching the different ways thatthey would throw Like they
would come up with some of themost creative ways to get a disc
into the basket and it's likehow did that even work?

(01:43:43):
Like that creativity makes thegame fun for the rest of us.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
All right, so let's go back over here.
Matt, what do you think thewinning score this weekend is
going to be?
Mpo, fpo.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
Hard to say I'm going to say, because I have no idea,
I'm going to say, because Ihave no idea, I'm going to go 22
for MPO.

Speaker 8 (01:44:17):
All right Easy weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
So it's cash like four.
I can do that Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
With the conditions it might.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
And 11 for FPL.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Considering.
I have absolutely no idea whatthe FPL layout.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 9 (01:44:39):
I think eleven's pretty good.
I would have gone maybethirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Okay, but say ballpark at least.

Speaker 9 (01:44:44):
I could see about seven maybe being the hot round.

Speaker 6 (01:44:47):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:44:47):
And then slowing down that person, maybe getting a
couple, threes or fours afterthat.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Easy to do.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Eric, I had a conversation with the homie over
there, long hair about what wethought the hot round would be.
Shout out to long hair homie inthe corner.
We said 24-ish.
I feel like 27 I think would behot if it was good conditions.
Perfect conditions and I thinkthat's like because that's three
nines but you're not going todo it three nines.

(01:45:17):
You're going to do it in acouple ways.
You're going to shoot 10.
You're going to shoot.
You know you're going to shoota nine and then you're going to
go down You're just like you'renot going to keep that going.
And then, with the conditionsthat's why I think 24 feels
pretty good, because then againyou're going to have one good
hot round and then you're goingto tailor off and that would be
still pretty sick to get there.

(01:45:38):
To go 3.8s in that average yeah, that's kind of what I'm
expecting.
I do think 21 to 22 could alsobe there, with the weather ends
up being not favorable for us inthat way.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
The thing about Shelton and this is where the
gals have a bit of advantageover you guys is in the morning
it's usually pretty calm as faras wind goes and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
Wind ramps up.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Yep, and then in the afternoon it gets up 15, 20
consistently, yeah, and the rainis not so bad in the trees.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
You might want to talk to the tournament director
and get an earlier tee time.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
What do you think, Robert?
What's going to be the winningscore this weekend?

Speaker 6 (01:46:23):
I think Eric was about right.
I think the field usuallyovershoots whatever we think
it's going to be, so I'llactually bump it up In my head.
I thought 25 would be justabout right.
I think whoever's going to winwill shoot 10 to 12, probably on
their best day, whatever thatis, whether they deal with rain

(01:46:44):
well, whether they deal withanything else well.
I think they're going to shoot10 to 12, and then I think
they'll shoot somewhere between6 and 10 twice, and their 6
could just be a bad day.
And then they get back on thattrain.
They could shoot a couple like7, 8s.
They could.

Speaker 10 (01:46:58):
Somehow they're going to find a way to 25 and I
think it's going to come fromone really hot round and then
playing consistently well fortwo rounds yeah you feeling the
same way, james yeah, I mean, Ithinking about it, you know, and
, and the numbers that we're at,I also feel like this is going
to be.
It could be an event wherethere's three to four guys who
are within a stroke or twocoming down, like I think this

(01:47:19):
could be an exciting one, likereal tight I don't see someone
running away, um, but yeah, Ithink I 24, 25 is a good number.
I'll go 23 just to keep itexciting, and then, yeah, maybe
14, 15 for the FPO.

Speaker 6 (01:47:41):
Yeah, I think 15 is about right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
I can't even give a guess for the FPO.
I literally don't even knowwhat the course looks like until
I'm watching tomorrow morning.

Speaker 10 (01:47:47):
That's fair, ella said that she was going to shoot
one better than Holland, so Idon't know what.
So then, what do you shoot?
She says that a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:47:53):
I don't know man, I've been waiting.
I've been waiting since Floridaever heard of you.
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Nice, nice, nice.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
The tour surprises me every freaking week.
Man, I think the winner's goingto be 30-plus.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
I swear to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
God, I think this course is going to get
annihilated this weekend one wayor another.
Tight race runaway.
There's spent some weeks whereI'm like whew, this is a tough
course.
Best score is not going to behot.
They torch it Ten people torchit.
I'm telling you, I'm tellingyou it, I'm telling you.
I'm telling you, I will not besurprised when the winner is
better than 30.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
How much do you guys feel that the trees are going to
be a factor?
The?

Speaker 10 (01:48:34):
trees yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
What trees?

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
There's lots of them.

Speaker 10 (01:48:39):
Bring on For the guy that wins.
Not a whole lot, Not a singleone.
They love him.

Speaker 6 (01:48:46):
The trees love him so much.
The ones by the basket existbut none of the other ones do.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
What's our tee time tomorrow?
2.40?
1.50.
1.10.
I'm at 1 on the dot 10 am.

Speaker 6 (01:49:01):
Early tee time for the group.

Speaker 9 (01:49:02):
Late as possible.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
I've got to be there at 7.30 in event.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Nice 8.10 for me yeah we've got to be there at 7.30
in event.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Wow, nice 8.10 for me .
Yeah, we got to be there at 8to volunteer.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Wahol, or what are you doing?
For volunteering.
We're scorekeeping Scorekeepingcool yeah, you are 150.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Yeah, I'll see what our time is.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Usually the way it goes for us is we get there
early and we do one round, andthen somebody doesn't show up
and we do the next round and thenext round, and it would be.
Usually we do three to fourrounds in a day.
Oh my god, we just, we just dothe marathon, yeah, yeah, maybe
we get 20 minutes for a lunch.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
I was about to say lunch or?

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
he's gonna be walking down hole one with you with a
sandwich, like oh, this is mylunch break, dude Fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Well, the hot dog guys set it right outside the
unicorn zoo.
Awesome, you guys know aboutthe unicorn zoo, don't you I?

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
absolutely have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
It's like the mythical creatures of disc golf,
and you guys have that nicelittle caged in area where you
guys can putt.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:50:08):
The practice area, the unicorn pen.
All you disc golf unicorns outthere.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
But, I am going to say I literally thought we were
going to have a horse out therewith a freaking horn and
sparkles and everything theremight still be some mini
mermaids that are about this bigstill on the course.
We did 77 at our tournament twoweeks ago.
Love it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:29):
So, there might still be some mermaids Something to
do while waiting on the TF.
We hit 77 at our tournament twoweeks ago, love it, so there
might still be some more matesSomething to do while waiting on
the.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
TF12.
You get to punch your bingocard if you find one that's been
a big hit is the disc golfbingo.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
Yeah, have you guys played disc golf bingo?

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
I don't think so.
We need to do that on the protour.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
So we run disc golf bingo at our tournament, and so
if you go into a hazard, you geta bingo.
If you land on top, you markyour scorecard and then you guys
.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
And everybody has different boards, or everybody
has the same board, everyone hasthe same board so that everyone
is challenged like so for thewomen's event.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
If you go in the hazard, it's like but I get a
bingo.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
Yeah, and you're on the last toll and you're like,
well, if I throw this out ofbounds, I get a bingo.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Yep, throw this out of bounds.
I got bingo.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Okay, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
That's awesome.
That's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
All right Sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
What's everybody's favorite part of the course?

Speaker 10 (01:51:21):
What was the question?

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
What's everybody's favorite part of the course?
Big trees.

Speaker 10 (01:51:24):
I like big trees, how fast it plays.
I've never played fast throughpractice rounds.

Speaker 6 (01:51:29):
It's playing fast, which is a lot of fun.
You get through it quickly, orit feels quickly, even if it's
not actually fast.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Just like shot, shot, shot shot.

Speaker 6 (01:51:38):
Yeah, it's just shorter holes shorter.

Speaker 10 (01:51:40):
walking, you know, like some of the courses we play
, you know the par fours are 800, 900 feet and then you're
walking 600 feet to get to thenext tee pad.
And you know this.
I mean we were playing ourpractice rounds in like two
hours and then it happens.
But I'll also argue this point.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
We were just playing all week and this is a
tournament that the bottom ofthe field is weekend warriors,
so they're all practicing today.
So we had kind of like thecourse to ourselves as like the
90 to 100 of us where usuallyit's 200 of us practicing every
single day.
That's kind of how I saw it, atleast I was like this course is

(01:52:16):
empty.
The tee time sheet is empty.
That's when I was, like allthese other players don't know
about the tee time sheet.
It's just us going out here forthese days and they're coming
out Thursday taking the weekendoff.

Speaker 10 (01:52:28):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
I wanted to bounce over here to Holland real quick.
Something that I saw of yoursthat I really like is you're
talking about how to maximizeyour practice.
Could you talk about that alittle bit?

Speaker 9 (01:52:42):
Yeah, that was something that I got because
when I first started, you know Iwas working a full-time job and
only had maybe 30 minutes to anhour a day to go practice.
But it kind of comes down tojust first having a plan.
So knowing you know what do Ineed to work on, and you can get
that through doing some videoreview, getting a lesson, going
to a clinic, but having an ideaof just one thing that you're

(01:53:02):
going to work on, knowing thedrills you're going to do and
having time carved out for it.
Setting you know, having yourdiscs and your clothes and all
that stuff set up for after work, just so that you can get going
quickly and then you're notjust out in the field kind of
throwing without a plan and notreally getting any better.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
What do you do to maximize your practice?

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Use at least one of the rounds to just be on the
course, absorb, see shots,understand it and then from
there it's really dialing ineverything I want to be doing,
whether I'm taking notes ofchecking my shoulders, staying
in my throw to make sure I hitthe gap, lining up in a specific

(01:53:47):
way, picking out a structure,make sure I hit the gap, lining
up in a specific way, pickingout a structure.
I slowly build it up in thatway to where there becomes a
purpose to the practice round ofunderstanding.
Today even I used a referenceof shortening up my sidearm to
where I'm not overthrowing itlike my run-up on my sidearm, so

(01:54:08):
it's just a quick two-step andhitting it through a gap rather
than doing kind of a full run-upsidearm and I pull it to the
left and bring trees into play.
So that's the stuff that I'mtrying to figure out and make
sure I dial in and I've noticeda lot of my preparation has been
the biggest boost to my game.

(01:54:29):
I was going off of Fuel a lot inthe last few years and this
year it has been just.
I have my game plan, I stick toit.
I play boring golf and I let itwork and I play it very
consistent.
I haven't gotten as hot as Iwould like, but my consistency
has put me in a really goodplace to find success and I'm
going to keep riding that wavebecause when I hit the jackpot

(01:54:50):
or hit my bingo and go super hotfor a round, it's going to show
, and most of it's going to showbecause of that preparation I
put in with my practice.

Speaker 6 (01:55:01):
Love it, robert.
I mean almost in comparison towhere Eric said he takes one
round to just be on the course.
For for me, I have to take oneround, very specifically, where
I'm playing alone on the courseand I'm just going through every
hole and just figuring out myplay, whether that's I'm

(01:55:24):
throwing five shots on a roll orI just need to throw one, and I
just throw it and I'm like, yep, doesn't matter what the wind
is, I'll just adjust onstability.
I'm doing that Doesn't matter.
I just need one round where I'malone, where I have nothing
else to think about but myselfand the course and how I want to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Be one with the course.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
May the course be with you.
That's right here.
We've got a button K-C-Y.
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
All right.
How about you, James?
What do you do to maximize yourpractice preparation?

Speaker 10 (01:56:04):
I'm not the best person to answer this.
James is like show up.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
I kind of be there on time for his tee time round one
, I put my socks on flew in.

Speaker 10 (01:56:11):
On Wednesday I played my match.
I mean, I hate to say this, itsounds bad.
I just kind of rely on my pastexperiences learning courses and
throwing and it's prettyintuitive for me to know how I
want to approach holes.
You know, I keep it reallysimple.
Like I said before, when I getto a course like this, here's

(01:56:33):
the first gap, here's theinitial gap, here's my high
percentage shot.
That's what I'm gonna do andthen I'll worry about what
happens later.
But I don't know.
I've never been one to reallylike grind hard and play a lot
of rounds and throw all theshots.

(01:56:53):
I just kind of roll with theflow.
My man.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
All right, Casey, what do you do to maximize your
practice and preparation?

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
I mean I typically say I don't think anybody
practices the way I do.
I definitely don't practice likeJames but I also definitely
don't practice like the peoplehe's talking about, all the reps
, whatever I do.
A pretty unique approach,similar to Eric, though.
First round is just like figureout what I want to do, this is
what I want to do.

(01:57:24):
It doesn't matter who I'mplaying with or whatever they
can do.
Whatever they want to do, theycan throw as many shots as they
want to know.
I'm going to adjust angles,adjust speeds.
Adjust angles, adjust speeds,adjust power, whatever sidearm,
backhand, you name it.
And then I'm going to go intomy next practice round, every
single hole, and say that's myplay, that's what I'm going to
refine tomorrow.
And then I throw in thecurveball and I take those discs

(01:57:45):
that I've decided.
No matter what, I'm throwingthis disc on this hole and then
I smoke the first tree with it.
So then, when I get to thefirst round, I'm like truly
disciplined, and I'm like youare going to, you're not taking
this for granted, you're dialingit in, you're gonna take this
shot seriously, you're not.
You're not gonna miss this gapagain, you smoke it on purpose.

(01:58:06):
Well, it just happens, becauseit's practice because basically
what I'm trying to say is that Iam not the same person in
practice I never will be than Iam in tournament, because in
practice I have no, nopunishment ever, except for
losing my favorite discs.
Like that's my.
That's the only thing that canreally hurt me.
But I'm just saying it's not abad thing if I take the.

(01:58:27):
This is going to be the discI'm going to be most confident
in on friday, when I step onthis hole and then give myself a
reality check and be like whoa,like that didn't really work
out.
So then on Friday I am likeultra focused, ultra disciplined
, like not going to let this oneslip and just say, oh, I'm just
going to chuck it and really,who cares?
I'm going to like really dialit in Love.

(01:58:48):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
Yeah, that's awesome, that is awesome.
Well, uh, how?

Speaker 1 (01:58:53):
do you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
feel about doing a little Q&A real quick.
Sure yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
Q&A let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Having some people come up and ask some questions.
Jace, do you have somequestions?
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
Does anybody want to come up and ask some questions
of our panel here, jake.

Speaker 9 (01:59:14):
Jace, oh no, Casey we have a mic no.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
No, he's fine.
He can come right here.
There, you go Jace.
How do you putt better?
How do you putt good?

Speaker 6 (01:59:31):
How do you putt good James?

Speaker 9 (01:59:33):
James, we would all like to know, james, actually,
yeah, james.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
I gave a tip to somebody recently that they
actually thanked me for, which Idon't really give tips.
I don't think that my formulaworks for most players, but I
say use your back leg.
All of my power comes from myback leg and that's it.
So use your back leg, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:59:57):
The weight transfer.
Push off your back leg, I thinkyou know, starting with a
little bit wider of a stance,sitting your butt down as
opposed to like leaning back,and I don't, I'm not a huge fan
of the rock sit down, engageboth legs and then really just
extend forward.
Uh, you know it's allrepetition, but, um, you know
there's no one right, perfectway to putt.
I think, just practice reps.
And you know a lot of puttingis up here.

(02:00:18):
So whatever you can tellyourself up here to give you
confidence, do that and do thatevery single time.
Whether I'm putting an eightfooter or a 60 footer, I tell
myself the same two things.
The last things that go throughmy head before I putt is trust
yourself and open your hand, andthat allows me to confidently
extend towards the basket.
And you know just whatever youcan tell yourself up here to

(02:00:42):
keep the confidence high, thatdo that, love it how do you uh?

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
how do you do what?

Speaker 10 (02:00:48):
okay, how do you do what.

Speaker 11 (02:00:53):
Okay, thank you, jake.

Speaker 3 (02:00:55):
All right Does anybody else want to ask some
questions?
Come on up.

Speaker 10 (02:00:59):
Who's this beautiful girl?
What did you get me?

Speaker 7 (02:01:03):
for my birthday.
Colin, I have a question foryou, oh wow.
So I was going to ask you howyou balance your practice days
with your workout.
Do you go to the gym andobviously it's taxing to be on
the course it's physicallytaxing.
So really, how do you balancethat?
And like, what's your workoutregime while you're practicing?

Speaker 9 (02:01:20):
for a tournament, yeah, so the workouts that I'm
able to do during season are alot different than off season,
cause obviously practice issuper taxing and I can't afford
to be super fatigued going intothe weekend, um.
So I usually do mine in themorning, they're usually pretty
short and I keep the volume alittle bit lower, so it's just
less fatiguing overall.

(02:01:40):
And then I know like certainmuscle groups will recover
slower than others and I try tohit those earlier in the week
and then so I'm sore earlier inthe week, you know, maybe on
travel day when it doesn'tmatter, and then by the time I
get to Friday I'm likecompletely recovered okay, and
what are those slower recoverymuscle groups usually?
the bigger ones.
So like legs, um sometimes likeback, will recover a little
slower.

Speaker 7 (02:01:56):
So you'll hit those like earlier in the week, like
Monday.
I'll hit those like Sundaynight a lot of times.

Speaker 9 (02:02:00):
And then Monday I'm just in the car all day, so I
can be sore and then I might bea little sore still on Tuesday,
but that's usually when I'll hitlike back, and then Wednesday
I'll hit, like you know, chestand smaller muscles.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
Then some like really small muscles on Thursday,
because those just don't getsore.
Very cool, thank you All rightDid you guys have some questions
back there.
Come on up.

Speaker 11 (02:02:21):
Yeah, I've been struggling with grip on the disc
lately.
I keep dropping my pinky, Idrop the pinky and then now I'm
starting to drop the otherfinger and then I come out with
early releases.
Is that common?
Talk to the goose man.

Speaker 1 (02:02:38):
He's got the two finger blaster.
Uh, that guy throws 500 feet.
No problem on either.
I've been like struggling withthe grip.
I think grip is all feel.
I know three finger, fourfinger two finger, you name it
yeah, focus, gibson throws athree finger yeah yeah, put
pressure in a different place.

Speaker 6 (02:02:55):
I know I have it for.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
I think different places like try and move it
around to put pressure in,because I my pinky used to come
off.

Speaker 11 (02:03:03):
My pinky seems to get in the way, and then I've
been finding myself okay,pinky's in the way and this
finger's in the way, so then Idrop it too.

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
Like power.
Grip.
And then they come out early,though it could just be.
Adjust with it and also don'tthink about it.
Grip is so weird because herehold this Everybody's hands are
different.
I don't grip a disc the sameway.
Gannon Burr grips a disc and,like Kyle Klein, has smaller
hands than I do.
It doesn't compute the same way.
So the way you're gripping thedisc right now the first thing I

(02:03:35):
would tell you is to move yourthumb about a half inch to an
inch in.
Yeah, Agreed.

Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
I've been trying to get for more pop too.

Speaker 11 (02:03:43):
It's mostly Trying to press down more on the
drivers and get that pop out ofthe hand.

Speaker 1 (02:03:49):
Yeah, that's your buddy's disc.

Speaker 3 (02:03:52):
Love it.

Speaker 10 (02:03:54):
You can keep it if you want Good question.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
All right, does anybody else have any questions
they want to ask?
All right, all right.

Speaker 11 (02:04:02):
Yes, please.
Hey guys, I'm Kyle.
Hi, kyle Hi.
Kyle.
Hi Holland, I was watching youthrow while I was protecting
Jeff's truck and installing thataxe in the tree.

Speaker 9 (02:04:15):
Oh Holland, I was watching you throw while I was
protecting Jeff's truck andinstalling that axe in the tree.

Speaker 6 (02:04:18):
Oh yeah, that axe looks sick.
Did you see the axe?
Yeah, I did, actually it looksso sick, nice, nice, thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:04:23):
Anyways, really impressed by your forehand and
I've been working on my forehandfor years and I'm like doing
this and then I give up it.

Speaker 11 (02:04:32):
And, eric, you've done incredible for it as well,
thank you.
Just give me a couple pointers,let's go.
I've just switched over to likethis and I know I need to point
.

Speaker 9 (02:04:42):
But what do you got?
Yeah?
So, looking at you right there,make sure your fingers are
pressing more into the rim ofthe disc rather than the top of
the disc.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
Because if you see like this motion versus this
motion.

Speaker 9 (02:04:56):
This is way more powerful.
So, number one, get your grip.
So you're like this yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:04:58):
And then what I would do is just take a stack of
discs in your backyard doesn'tmatter what discs they are and
then just work on this littlewrist pop all right, because
back, like honestly, how I, howI started with forehand is with
one finger and it was more andlike with one finger from here
to that car over there I can hita six foot gap, it's really
accurate.

(02:05:18):
But if I want to throw a 334drive one finger's not doing it.
Usually you want to, but if youcan work on that you got it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
Some of the most lethal forehand players on tour
are one finger Gavin Babcock.
He does kind of back it up,though he uses his other fingers
to kind of provide a littlesupport.

Speaker 9 (02:05:34):
I was looking because it's tough but he does do a
very good one-finger grip.
But you work on that snap.
I'll give you Marley and whatyou're doing is, if you're still
getting wobble and you'regetting wobble from here, you
know it's something to do withthe grip.
And then, once you get the gripdialed in and it's not wobbling
, add a little tiny reach backand then, if it's not wobbling,

(02:05:55):
you can add a little bit more ofa reach back and you're just
slowly adding distance andyou're also able to diagnose and
get rid of that wobble alongthe way yeah, because I've seen
the like the little power thingwith the yeah, the power grip
yeah, so I just needed that, notthis.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Okay, cool yeah, when I switched my grip, so I was
one fingy originally.
Then I switched to that stackedgrip but that only stuck around
for putters and mids and mids.
I can switch it up.
But I switched to the sextinggrip, which is like my
fingertips are facing the target, they're not facing the sky,

(02:06:29):
and that's just like the middlefinger with just a little bit of
extra leverage.
And that's just like the middlefinger with just a little bit
of extra leverage, but both ofmy fingers are putting all of
their force into the direct lineof the shot.
It was like the easiest 30 feetof distance I ever gained on a
sidearm.
And then with the reach back,that was a really good tip, like
don't just go way behind yourear on the first go.

(02:06:52):
You've got to start small andthen slowly reach out Albert Tom
.

Speaker 11 (02:06:58):
I feel like I had a really good feel for it with the
one finger.
But then I was like I need morepower, so I switched to two and
then I started like turningthings.

Speaker 1 (02:07:06):
Okay.
So if I can give you any advice, don't lose the one finger for
your touch shots.

Speaker 11 (02:07:11):
Yeah, no, from here to the truck it's one finger
buzz all day.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
Yeah, keep that and then work on a new part of your
game.
Don't throw it away and leaveit in the past.

Speaker 9 (02:07:22):
You might like a little bit of a sextant grip,
because it's basically a onethingy with the middle finger
reinforced.

Speaker 11 (02:07:28):
Yeah, it's that.

Speaker 9 (02:07:29):
It's do your one thingy and then stack the middle
finger on top of it Cool, yeah,I mean yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:07:35):
I used to.

Speaker 11 (02:07:36):
I used to like only do this Well thanks for coming
out to the course we appreciateyou guys.
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
Broderick, you got a question.

Speaker 6 (02:07:44):
I mean, I used to like how to not hit the first
available on hole 16.
Like I had to, I was like,sorry, 14, 14.
And now I'm playing for longenough where I go back to my
normal.

Speaker 3 (02:07:54):
You're going back to Jason again.

Speaker 8 (02:08:03):
Okay, you got one more.
He's going for the mic.
No, he's going for it.
So this is for James.
Every time you film it in thebag it's like a completely
different bag, Not just bag likethe discs, but I like it
because I like a lot of the oldschool discs too.
But as a player who clearlylikes like old Innova disc craft

(02:08:27):
, whatever it is, two differentkind of questions what
percentage of like the discsyou've thrown in your touring
career do you think are stuffyou've just had since you were a
kid or acquired from like maybecollectors, versus the
allotments that you've gottenfrom companies like you know
kind of where's that line?
And then like you throw like ctbirds, leopards, all that.

(02:08:47):
What is your thought betweenlike do you actually think the c
leopard is better than just agood leopard from nowadays or is
it more of like?
It's just cooler and has thatnostalgic feeling, Because I
throw these 20-year-oldfirebirds and they're my
favorite but I don't really likea new firebird just because
it's like.
I think it's worse but I alsothink it's not as cool.

Speaker 10 (02:09:11):
So like I don't know .
I mean first the first question.
I'm to be honest, like in mycontracts, I don't even know
what my allotment is.
I don't, I've never been well,I've been to the infinite
warehouse one time but I don'treally collect allotment.
I guess like I'll text, be likehey, can I get four of these,

(02:09:31):
or whatever, um, but a lot ofwhat I throw is stuff I've had
for a long time and, to behonest, for me it's sort of a
feel thing, like I like the waymy 11 time rocks feel.
Um, I like the way the olderleopards, the t-birds, feel I
I've a lot of them are superseasoned in and I'm a hyzer flip

(02:09:52):
guy.
So like some new leopards,leopards I've thrown, I'll throw
a hyzer flip and they just fadeleft and I'm like this is
useless.
I don't.
What is this?
You know I like that late flipup.
That only happens when you beata disc in for eight years.
So I mean I was very fortunategrowing up in Northern
California.
That's a lot of old Innovaterritory.
So you know I've had access toa lot of good old destroyers

(02:10:17):
firebirds, leopards, t birds,rocks, you know, and it's just
kind of what I grew up throwing.
They're comfortable in my hand.
You know I'm I have to seeleopards, three old T birds and
an 11 for T birds and an 11 timefirebird and that's like all I
throw on this course and it'sjust a comfort thing for me.
But yeah, if I did it in thebag this week it would be a lot

(02:10:40):
of new discs that you guyshaven't seen yet.
It's just fun for me.
Like I'll go home and I'll belike oh wow, I haven't thrown
this one in a while and I'lljust pull out of the stack and
add a couple out and just alwayskind of switching them in and
out that's what I do on my offweek, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10:53):
But then when I get to the tournament I'm like ha,
this is the same disc I wasthrowing here two years ago and
like I'll go to whatever course,like gmc.
I've been throwing the samedisc on the upshot of hole seven
for four or five years, becausethat's as long as I've been on
dysmania and like those are thethings I take pride in.
It's funny that you're justlike new bag.
Yep, I mean.

Speaker 8 (02:11:12):
Do you think, like all these discs, like you're
like, oh, I haven't thrown thatin a couple years.
Do you kind of like rememberenough, like I know how this
throws, I throw the same.
So like it's not like learninga new disc.
Or is it because I think it'skind of cool how you know when,
like, players switch bagseveryone six months ago, whereas

(02:11:38):
you switch every week?
You know what I mean.
They're giving players excusesfor the whole season to play bad
because they got a new bag, butthen James Proctor has a new
bag every month.

Speaker 1 (02:11:42):
Yeah, but you obviously know the discs it's
still Destroyer, but I'm like Idon't know, I kind of did that
too.

Speaker 10 (02:11:49):
I was playing the match.
I put two 11-time rocks in thebag.
I had no idea how they weregoing to fly.
I'm like, oh, these willprobably work in the woods.
And you know, I threw one andit was more stable than I
thought it would be and I gotkind of excited by that.
It's actually going to beperfect for one of the holes.
But most of the time, yeah, Iknow exactly how they're going
to fly or I can remember.
Very rarely do discs surpriseme when I'm doing that old

(02:12:13):
switching in and out.
But yeah, I mean throwing a newbag.
Most of the discs we can findwe can hand pick, cherry, pick
the good ones.
We can get them from playerswho were on the team before and
we kind of know how they'regoing to fly.
I think the hardest part aboutthat is just the difference
between how a seasoned discflies versus a new disc.
If your whole bag is juststraight new discs out the box,

(02:12:35):
it's going to be harder to findthose like hyzer flip-ups, those
really straight pushing discs.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
It's like the ones that flip up to flat and don't
turn versus roller.
Like those are like the hardestones to get that in between.
Yeah yeah, the drift yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:12:52):
Like it's up, and then it's hard to find leopards
now that a lot of them areeither too stable, where they're
just dead straight, or they'lljust kind of burn.
But they don't really driftlike a lot of older.
And same thing with the rockslike nothing drifts like an 11
time rock.
Does you know what I respect,though?

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
yeah that's kind of why I asked like I see you
throwing and I'm like I'm thesame like I'll yeah, he's a.
Buzz SS guy yeah, vertical.
I like that.

(02:13:30):
You didn't hit the field withthose rocks, you just took it
right to the course.
Right to the course.
Oh, it's going to workperfectly, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 6 (02:13:34):
I've thrown enough 11-type rocks, I know.
Took it right to the course.
It was like, oh, it's going towork perfectly.

Speaker 10 (02:13:35):
We'll figure it out.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:13:36):
It's like I've thrown enough 11-time rocks.

Speaker 10 (02:13:37):
I know how it's going to fly.
One of them is going to workgood.
I love that.

Speaker 3 (02:13:42):
Jace has one more question for us.

Speaker 9 (02:13:45):
How do you forehand really good.

Speaker 10 (02:13:47):
Really good.

Speaker 6 (02:13:54):
Don't look at me, bud .
Simplify it, make it as simpleas possible, as Eric was saying.
He said he switched to like aone or two step just to make
sure he got the timing right,because all disc golf is is
timing on any throw, forehandsespecially.

Speaker 10 (02:14:07):
I think avoid the trap of starting with an
overstable disc.
Like learn how to forehand yourstraight stuff and you just
won't have to work as hard.

Speaker 9 (02:14:14):
So forehand your I mean so forehand, your, uh, your
drivers Depends on what youwant Forehand, like a road
runner or something.

Speaker 1 (02:14:23):
Yeah, get something under stable.

Speaker 6 (02:14:25):
You can start with what like a Mako Mako 3?
Glitch, if you can forehand aglitch you're already on your
way, buddy.

Speaker 9 (02:14:29):
Yeah, that's not easy .

Speaker 1 (02:14:31):
Let the disc work for you, not against you.
Yeah, I mean shout out toBroderick.
He released a video not toolong ago.
He said can't throw the glitch,probably just trash.
That's good, Simple as that.
There's no other way to put it.

Speaker 3 (02:14:46):
I love that All right .
So we're coming up out of here.
Let's go into a few uh wrap up.
This is a question that we askof everybody that's on the show.
It's really a two-fold question.
It is, first of all, what doyou got in the bag?
And, second of all, the longlost fabled disc, your favorite
disc ever, regardless of, uh, ofsponsorships or anything.

(02:15:11):
If you could have this discback in your bag, what would it
be?
We'll go over there.
How about Matt?
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (02:15:26):
What was the question ?

Speaker 3 (02:15:31):
So it's really two in one.
It's first of all, what are youbagging and what is your
favorite disc of all time?
It could be because ofnostalgia, it could be because
of we already know his whole bag.

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
Three rocks three leopards three firebirds, that's
right, or T-birds, not leopards.

Speaker 4 (02:15:49):
T-birds, rocks firebirds, t-birds, destroyers,
rocks firebirds, t-birds,destroyers.
I do think about that candyfirebird that I lost.
I think it was in Missouri,like Albert Oakland.
There's like a downhill with ariver on the right and I lost

(02:16:15):
that firebird.
It was a candy firebird, like160.
Just flipped up, almost perfect, but off a little bit too far
to the right and over the river.
That was not retrievable Dang.
Not retrievable Dang.
Not retrievable.
So that candy plastic Firebird,that's one of my favorites.

Speaker 10 (02:16:40):
Is that the old Pro lines?
What's the old Pro ones?

Speaker 4 (02:16:46):
I think it was a Champion Are you talking like
Jolly Launcher?

Speaker 1 (02:16:49):
Yeah, Okay, oh yeah those were good.

Speaker 10 (02:16:52):
The old Pro Firebirds were good.

Speaker 1 (02:16:54):
L or Sorry.
I'm thinking about the Monster.
I'm thinking of the Monster L.
Those are insane.

Speaker 4 (02:17:03):
My standard bag is three DX or KC Pro Rocks and a
couple.
I have a couple DX.
I have a couple of DX.
Let's give it up for.

Speaker 1 (02:17:16):
The Rock.

Speaker 4 (02:17:17):
I have a couple of DX T-Birds.
It's crazy how hard it is tofind a good DX T-Bird.
Like Walmart is maybe the bestplace to find a good DX T-Bird.

Speaker 1 (02:17:34):
But you might be the best DXT bird thrower in the
world.

Speaker 4 (02:17:38):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:17:39):
I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (02:17:41):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:17:44):
All right, holland.
How about you?
What do you got in the bag andwhat's your favorite of all-time
discs?

Speaker 9 (02:17:49):
You want me to list every mold in my bag?

Speaker 5 (02:17:51):
No, just maybe some of your go-tos, just the
highlights.
Yeah, some highlights.

Speaker 9 (02:17:56):
Yeah, like Vultures and Raptors, are probably ones I
have the most in my bag.
I think I have three of eachright now.
Big fan of the Nebula Veryunderrated discraft over stable
molds, buzz Zone, challenger SSthose are probably the heavy
hitters.
I don't know.
Honestly, I haven't lost thatmany discs.
I haven't been playing thatlong that I've had discs that

(02:18:18):
I've had for five years thatI've lost, maybe just when
you've retired.
I haven't even really retiredthat many discs, but I have
discs I would be really sad tolose.

Speaker 3 (02:18:25):
Will that suffice?
That'll work.

Speaker 9 (02:18:27):
Okay, I've got this.
It was the Tour Series Raptorfrom last year that I've been
throwing so long that it'sflippy now and I can throw a 340
laser beam forehand with it andI just don't have anything that
flies like that and I would beheartbroken if I lost that guy.

Speaker 3 (02:18:43):
What are you putting with?

Speaker 9 (02:18:45):
Challenger.
Ss.
Yeah, ct swirl plastic, soreally really stiff and they
actually get tackier when wet.
So I don't mind if my grip getswet in the rain.

Speaker 3 (02:18:58):
Alright, Eric, what about you?

Speaker 1 (02:19:02):
The Dynasty is probably the best disc in my bag
and it's the.
It's the old CD2 mold fromDiscmania.
The Innova made CD2.
We brought it over and made theDynasty for the Infinite lineup
and when I was with Discmania along time ago that was the disc
that really kind of shaped mygame forehand, backhand and made
me a very, very good player.

(02:19:24):
So being able to kind of goback to my roots with that and
throw a bunch of Dynasties nowwith Infinite has been
unbelievable.
So it's an incredibly straight,flying 9 speed that I can use
everywhere.
And then I definitely lean onmy Emperors for a lot of
forehands.
They go really far.
It's pretty sick, just a greatdestroyer.
Mold Pathfinders for mids andAlpacas for putting.

(02:19:47):
The disc that I miss the mostthat I did lose when I moved to
Salt Lake City was the veryfirst D-Lline P2 I ever
purchased.
It was this white DX D-line P2with the psycho stamp.
Threw it on this turnover, slidinto the creek and was pretty
Russian.
That day spent 45 minuteswalking around on a rocky creek,

(02:20:08):
never found it.
It was really sad I kept.
That same day I bought anS-line FDD and a D-Line P2, and
that got me started on theDysmania journey and I feel like
it was what eventually led tome having the opportunity to
work with them for the periodthat I did.
And then I still have that FD.

(02:20:28):
So it would be awesome to getthat P2 back.
But I think she's probably goneand that's all right.
And it was also a dope thrower,like.
It was one of those that Icould power grip it, and power
gripping putters is something Idon't do very often, but I could
power grip it, throw it onhyzer and it would flip and then

(02:20:48):
it would low speed turn.
It would have when it's slowingdown in its flight, it would
work right.
So it's slowing down in itsflight, it would work right.
So it was awesome.
Thinking about hitting tunnelshots, it's like, oh, you're at
the end of your flight, youshould be fading out, like most
discs do.
It just had this wonderfulseasoned end where it would just
be like, oh, and now we drift,right, it was beautiful.

(02:21:09):
Low speed turn is the way theterm I came up with, because you
think about that like what, howdoes a disc low speed turn?

Speaker 3 (02:21:19):
Funny story.
We were playing this course upby a river and Jenny, you know,
put a couple in the river, tooka couple, hits off the tree.
Well, we're back the nextweekend to play a tournament and
the river had washed her discup on a sandbar in the middle of
the river oh, amazing, and andwe're with you.
There's no way you can get toit, but it's sitting right there

(02:21:41):
, yeah oh my gosh, that's crazyall right.
How about you, robert?
What are you?
What are you bagging?
Some highlights, what are youputting with?
And if you could have any discback in your bag or in your
possession, what would it be?

Speaker 6 (02:21:58):
I mean I feel like my bag is, I guess, not standard
for a dynamic player.
I have almost completelyenforcers and I don't.
I don't have any rives, whichseems to be anybody on trilogy's
favorite, but that's one that Inever really connected with.
I just have a ton of Enforcers.
I have a General that's alittle flippier, which is nice,

(02:22:20):
and then the Pine from Westsidehas been a new one that I've
really been enjoying.
Yeah, pine is great.
I actually have a TrilogyChallenge one from back in 2017.
Those were the best runs andit's just like dead straight,
thrown flat.
It's exactly what I need forthis course and I'm happy to
have it.
I mean Justice, harp, compass,I mean Felons, otties, like

(02:22:46):
Honors, glories, explorers, likeyou name it.
I've thrown it and they've beenin and out of my bag because I
kind of work through what my bagis still and you know I'm still
learning a little bit of thelineup and that comes with the
territory but I feel good in mybag.
I'm putting with juries rightnow.
They're nice and beat in.

(02:23:06):
The ones I have are pretty flaton top and pretty straight up
to 35, 40 when they start tofade off, and I just like the
stability up to 35-40 when theystart to fade off.
I just like the stability.
I like to have a little morestable putter, just so I can
work it from distance.
That's what I want.
The disc I'd want back would beback in my possession, not
necessarily in the bag.

(02:23:27):
I lost an old Glow Wraith, anold PFN Glow Wraith.
It came flat.
It was one of the first threemy dad and I ever bought because
we wanted to go play glowrounds at a at our local nine
holder and it was beatenperfectly.
It was back when I was oninnova and I there was this like
800 foot hole with like I wasplaying it for the first time

(02:23:50):
and it got to the point where Iwas rolling it because I finally
got like 500 feet of power.
I was was throwing it flat.
It was getting over to like aperfect roller angle and I asked
the people on my card like, isthere any chance I'll lose this
disc?
Like, is there water anywhereleft if I don't turn it?
Like, can I lose it?
And they're like no, there's nochance you could possibly lose
that disc.
So I threw it and I threw what Ithought was a great shot and

(02:24:16):
then it just disappeared,probably into the water, and I
still think about it now andagain like man, that was the
best disc I had because it wasthe perfect stability to where
in the woods.
I could throw it softer and itwould flip up and glide forever.
I could forehand it, I couldroll it.
It was one of the discs whereit's like oh, I'm going on a
trip and I'm taking three discsto play a course.
I take that disc, take thatdisc like probably a rock rock

(02:24:39):
three, and then I don't knowwhat I was putting with Invader.
At that point, like I justenjoyed that disc so much and it
has so many good memoriesattached to it.
Invader's a good disc.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
I mean, I don't know if I would ever putt with it,
but for a thrower.

Speaker 6 (02:24:53):
It's a good puttering disc too.

Speaker 1 (02:24:54):
It's just dead straight.
I think Kona putts with itright now.

Speaker 6 (02:24:57):
Does Kona putt with it?
I know Emily does right now.

Speaker 1 (02:24:58):
Last I checked, she did.

Speaker 6 (02:24:59):
Yeah, it's just low profile straight.
It's essentially a Casey Prowith a flatter profile.

Speaker 10 (02:25:22):
But yeah, that Wraith.
I'd pay a lot of money to havethat disc back, but oh well, all
right, james, what do you think?
Um, I can roll through my bagreal quick.
I putt with alpacas, I got acouple rocks, I got the crux
from thought space, four t-birds, two leopards, a firebird, a
roman which is the pd mold awraith, a destroy, and the one
disc I would love to have backis an old yellow KC T-Bird with
a blue stamp.

(02:25:42):
That was Very specific.

Speaker 2 (02:25:45):
I got a photo of it.

Speaker 10 (02:25:46):
It was like I mean, it was my favorite disc.
It was my favorite disc.
No, I wasn't pulling off apicture of mine.
I threw it so good and I don'teven know where I lost it.
I just left it somewhere.
It just disappeared.
I went to grab it one day andit wasn't in my bag.
Those are the worst.
That's the worst.
I can't live with that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
Every single disc I've ever bagged or owned, or
everything.
I know where I got it from andwhere it ended up.
If it's no longer in mypossession, and that really irks
me if I don't know whathappened to it.

Speaker 10 (02:26:17):
It's like gone.
It's just gone.
No idea, All right.

Speaker 3 (02:26:21):
Casey, how about you?

Speaker 1 (02:26:23):
I mean I'll just keep it simple for my bag.
I putt with B2s, I throw more 7speeds and 11 speeds than
anyone else on tour.
That's basically my whole game.
And I throw an FT3 becauseeverybody with a sidearm would.
That was for Dismania.
But as far as I mean like, it'sdifferent between like my
favorite disc of all time orlike my most like iconic discs

(02:26:46):
of my career, because I wouldargue that my Just Send it DD3
was like my most iconic disc inmy bag at any point, or the
D-Line MD.
The D-Line MD was the other one.
Yeah, so like, but like back inlike maybe it's because I'm not
I'm not far removed enough fromthose being in my bag that I'm
still like.
Oh yeah, you know like, but butcasey pro rock man, I had this

(02:27:09):
one at home.
It's just just like he wassaying he was talking all about
his 11 times.
It taught me how to hyzer flipand I'm a hyzer flip player now.
So what more do I have to thankthan that disc?
And it's gone.
By the way, the one that I'm yes, yes, I do.

(02:27:30):
It is a golf course steel clubin Pennsylvania.
I hit a rock with it.
I hit an earth rock with myrock, and then I decided to
throw it off one of their top ofthe world, 400 footers and it
just drifted too much.
And into the thick of it, neverto be seen again, but it served

(02:27:53):
its purpose.
How many episodes do you have?
And into the thick of it.
Never to be seen again, but itserved its purpose.
Six, I said I had seven.
Seven speeds, they all flydifferent, I got my dynasties.

Speaker 3 (02:28:09):
I have six.
I'm like locked in with youright now.

Speaker 11 (02:28:12):
I go from.

Speaker 1 (02:28:13):
FB to Flippy Skywalker 1 to Straight
Skywalker 1 to StraightSkywalker 2 to Beefy Skywalker 2
to Beefy Sea Lion FD1.
Simple as that.
Oh, and Overstable GlideySkywalker 1.
So I forgot about that one.

Speaker 4 (02:28:30):
All this talk about the disc is really about the
mini.

Speaker 1 (02:28:35):
Yeah, I got a Treasures of the Forest mini in
the bag.
Hey, my money.

Speaker 10 (02:28:40):
Although I have a long drink mini in my bag.
Nice.

Speaker 8 (02:28:45):
Shout out to the Spanish yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:28:48):
Well, anyway, we would like to thank all you guys
for being with us.
We're going to wrap it up herebecause we got tea times and
everything and we're coming upon two and a half hours.
That's pretty good, it's prettyfun.
So anyway, once again, let'sgive it up for our discussion

(02:29:09):
panel.
Here we have Casey White, jamesProctor, robert Burrage, eric
Oakley, paul and Hanley and MattSun thank you both for having

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us Great hosts.
Thank you.
Is there anything you'd like tosay to our audience before we
close her out?
Spread positivity, be a goodhuman, all right.
So on this episode of theIntentional Disc Golfer Podcast,
we had a discussion panel withfive DGPT pro players that are

(02:29:57):
here for the Cascade Challengeand we were talking all about
tournament prep and gettingready and how to maximize your
practice and your skills.
And if you like what you hearhere, you enjoy this podcast.
Please like, subscribe, follow,tell all of your friends.
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We have Facebook, instagram, wehave Twitter or X, however you

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We'd also like to thank oursponsors.
We have Treasures of the Forest, which are here with us.
We're very honored Not veryoften we get to have that live

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And, of course, we need tothank the fans, because you guys
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We couldn't do this if you guysweren't around and showing your
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So thank you and closing outthe Intentional Disc Golfer, I

(02:31:02):
am one of your hosts.
My name is Brandon.

Speaker 2 (02:31:04):
And I'm Jenny.

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And here at the Intentional Disc Golfer, we
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