Golf Mindset Expert Debbie O'Connell Reveals Powerful Strategies for Disc Golfers

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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to the Intentional Disc Golfer Podcast,
the show dedicated to helpingyou elevate your disc golf game
with purpose and strategy.
Whether you're stepping up tothe tee for the first time or
you're a seasoned pro chasingthat perfect round, this podcast
is your guide to playingsmarter, training better and
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
Thank you for listening to this episode of the
Intentional Disc Golfer Podcast.
I am one of your hosts, my nameis Brandon and I'm Jenny, and
today, on this episode, we aregoing to have Debbie O'Connell,
an LPGA Northeast SanctionedTeacher of the Year 2016,.

(01:25):
Golf Digest 50 Best WomenTeachers in America.
Lpga Prestigious Nancy LopezInaugural Golf Achievement Award
and voted one of the LPGA's 50Best Teachers.
Also host of the Audible seriesGame Time.
Golf Positive, the popular golfchannel TV show Par for the

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Course and the best-selling bookGolf Positive Live Positive.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I do need to give you guys a warning.
We spent three weeks in theMidwest so you may hear some
Minnesota or Wisconsin tonescoming out of Brandon's mouth.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
You've picked it up pretty well as well.
You've picked up this accentAll right.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
So Debbie O'Connell she is absolutely amazing and
I'm excited that she was on ourdisc golf podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
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Speaker 4 (03:08):
Next, jenny, take away well, I want to actually,
you know, thank our fans thatare still listening to us and
the new fans that are startingto listen to us since, uh,
united states women's disc golfchampionship and from the PDGA
Amateur Major for the MastersChampionship.

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So we have been out of thescene of the local podcasting
for the past couple of weeks.
I don't think we've put out apodcast in a couple of months
because we've been finishing upend of school year with our kids
.
Uh, we have a new senior in thehouse hayley's a senior gonna
graduate this year um I playedat usw dgc and took second place

(03:54):
for fa3 and then played the ummaster's tournament and tied for
23rd.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
So well, let's talk about those experiences real
quick.
No, that's a whole differentepisode well, and just that was
a wildly good time.
I mean it was.
It was so much fun to get totravel, see the different
courses.
Uh, the people made a hugedifference.
If you have the opportunity togo to one of these major events,
I I highly recommend it.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
So actually I just played Summertime Fling in the
Evergreens yesterday.
I took first place for FA2.
Tony Morgan always puts on agreat tournament over there at
Evergreen State College.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, thank you, Tony .

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yep, this weekend we will be playing the Dip Discs
2025 South Sound Classicpresented by Dynamic Discs, and
this is put on by Mr Mark Hillwho runs a lovely tournament.
It's kind of called thethree-headed monster in a way,
because you're playing Delphi,shelton and Evergreen, so three

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of the big courses right downthere in the olympia area,
shelton area and, uh it's, it'sa great tournament a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, each course is very challenging and presents
its own uh list of challengesall on its own yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
So three different courses, three days, gonna be a
blast.
Um, ladies of the lake.
The fifth of the evergreenwomen's series will be on
saturday 26th over at uh, ralphwilliamson memorial disc golf
course.
I think you can still sign upfor it if you get a hold of them

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real quick.
And the next day is a rat cityrumble, which is kind of looks
like they're doing the men'stournament on Sunday to go with
the women's tournament onSaturday.
I'm actually playing both justbecause I want to Whisper,
whisper, whisper, whisper.
We haven't signed up for it yet, but the White River Open
supported by Innova, part of theGreat Northwest Point Series,

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august 2nd and 3rd Possibly theMountain View Championships.
We haven't signed up for a lotof tournaments.
We're waiting for our trip tofinancially recover Kind of
settle out.
Yeah, yeah.
So we have a few things wehaven't signed up for yet, but
they're coming up.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Okay, so before we get started with this episode
and talking to Debbie O'Connell,we need to give a couple
shout-outs and thank oursponsors.
Do you have any shout outs togive jenny?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
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No rush, no hurry, but we'llsee what happens.

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Um, some of the trophies formasters I believe it was for the
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Speaker 3 (07:01):
The distance and putting competitions Distance
putting Was there a CTP maybe?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
No.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Or aces or something.
No, I don't know.

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Speaker 3 (13:19):
If you want to know how disc golf allows you to
practice the ultimate skill ofthe human being, you should
listen to the intentional discgolfer this is Joel Turner, with
shot IQ and mind IQ.
Get loud, my friends, alright.
So on this episode, joining usis an LPGA golfer as well as a

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motivational speaker, a frequentin the golf channel and has her
own radio show.
Go ahead and introduce yourselffor our audience if you would
please.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Thank you so much.
Well, first of all, Iappreciate you having me on your
podcast.
As you said, I'm an LPGAprofessional.
I've been teaching the game for35 years and then, when I found
how much the mental game was astruggle, especially for me, I
went deeper and deeper anddeeper into the mindset and

(14:16):
became a mindset coach, a golfmindset coach.
I have a program called Conqueryour Golf Mind and I wrote a
book called Golf Positive, livePositive, and I just create so
many programs that help peoplewith their mindset, which is
really the key to everything,wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
That's probably the biggestfacet of the game that I
struggle with personally.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And that's not unusual.
And if you ask most peopleabout their golf game, they're
like oh, I'm just a mental caseout there.
Yeah, it is, so it is.
It's challenging how we talk toourself, our thoughts and
emotions.
That happen.
We're human beings withemotions, you know, and we have
oftentimes limiting beliefs andthey get in the way as well.

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Or the person who has to be aperfectionist or feel like
they're in control and it's hardto relax and just let yourself
play.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah, it sounds like you've actually been out on the
course with me, to be honest,yeah, I think you nailed it.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
So, debbie, how did you first get introduced to golf
and how did you get started andwhat took you ultimately down
this path?

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I played other sports growing up.
I played softball andbasketball were my two main
sports.
I played some field hockey fortwo years in high school.
Then I decided to focus onbasketball and ended up playing
basketball in college and thatwas a great experience Division
one could be at the highestlevel, played in the NCAA final

(15:56):
four.
It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Which school was that when I was a?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
teenager oh, I went to.
Western Kentucky University.
Oh, okay, I was a teenager.
Oh, I went to Western KentuckyUniversity.
Oh, okay, yeah.
And the final four we were inwas Cheryl Miller's senior year
at USC.
Pat Summitt was coaching atTennessee and Texas.
Who won it?
Jody Conrad was the coach andthey were a powerhouse at the

(16:21):
time, in the mid-1980s.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Wow in the company of legends.
It was awesome, that's very,very cool.
So you started to say, as ateenager, you as a teenager, my
parents played a little bit ofgolf Not much.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
My dad would maybe go once a week, but not all the
time.
We didn't belong to a countryclub.
We were more lower middle classand couldn't afford things like
that.
And one day we all went out toplay so I could hit it because
I'm athletic, but I had no ideawhat I was doing.
As a matter of fact, I even hadthe pull cart and pulled it
right up onto the green.

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My dad was like get off thegreen.
I knew nothing and I maybeplayed four or five times as a
teenager.
And then one of those times waswith my college basketball coach
and he told the golf coach youknow, debbie can hit a golf ball
, she's pretty good.

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So after basketball season myjunior year, she said, hey, I
hear you play golf and I'm like,well, kind of.
She said come on out.
And I went and met her at thecourse and I'm thinking she's
going to give me a lessonbecause, as I said, I don't know
anything.
And she said we're going toplay.
I was like we're going to play,show me how to hold this thing.

(17:37):
I have no idea.
Whatever she told me, I crushedit down the middle, so much so
that one of the girls on thegolf team was like coach, she's
fixing to embarrass you.
I remember those words fixingto embarrass you.
I just laughed and of course Ididn't really know how to play
the game or short game, and youknow so I didn't compete in

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terms of score, but I hit somereally good shots, and then she
started working with me.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
So what level of not knowing the game?
Like maybe a basic knowledge,like get the ball in the hole
but not like all the littleintricacies and rules and things
, or like yeah, like I'm sure Iknew enough.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Like there's a tee box, you tee it up there and
fairway and green, and becauseI've watched some golf on TV.
Not a lot.
We weren't a golfing family butI I that was, uh, nancy lopez
had already come on the sceneand I was a fan of hers, so I
enjoyed watching that and ofcourse, some of the some of the
famous guys you know, like jackand arnie.

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They were always fun to watch,but not not a lot.
It wasn't't like every weekwe're going to watch golf on TV,
it was just if we happened tocatch it.
So I had an idea of the gameand I knew what a good swing
looked like.
You know, just watching golf,but that was it.
I didn't know how totechnically swing a club.

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I didn't know short game, Ididn't know ball position,
things like that, and certainlyno rules, rules I knew no rules
just hit the ball and go downthe fairway, hopefully exactly
that's how I play.
When I played golf makes it morefun sometimes, doesn't it?
Yeah, it does so about when?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
about how old were you when you really started to
take this on?
You said it was your collegecoach, correct?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yes.
Well, what was crazy is shesaid to me, in three weeks we
have a college golf tournament.
It's the best five scores outof six players.
Right now I only have five onthe team.
Why don't you be our sixth?
And I looked at her and I saiddo you think I can?
And seriously, what I knowabout golf now I think she was
crazy.

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She said, yeah, you can do it.
I worked my butt off for threeweeks trying to get ready for
this tournament and I wasliterally the talk of the
tournament.
I did come in last, although itwas only by a couple strokes.
What was funny?
The one time I sliced it overto the right in the trees I have

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parents looking for the ball.
There's a couple coaches outthere looking.
I'm looking, then they're alllooking like it's really, really
important.
My thought is, I have more golfballs.
Can I just drop one and hitanother one?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I didn't know that if you lose it you go back to the
T.
I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Oh goodness.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
But we found it, which was nice.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's great.
And you said that this is forKentucky, right?

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Western Kentucky Western.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
So you're, you're going from having dabbled in the
game at best to playing aregional tournament for a
division one golf team.
Yes, yes, and even crazier thanthat.

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I I finished my, my senior yearand I decided I'm going to be a
professional golfer.
Well, two years after thatdecision, I played played in an
LPGA tour event.
That was kind of accidental, sohow did that happen?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I played that one too .

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, as I joined the LPGA, what we were called at
the time was teaching and clubprofessionals.
Now we're called LPGAprofessionals and when you were
a member of that part of theLPGA, you could try to qualify
for one LPGA tour event per year.
Somewhere in proximity to yourhome there is the shop right

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classic, which still goes ontoday, and I signed up to go to
qualify and I was like this isgreat, it was $100, I'll play
with a lot of really goodgolfers.
I won't qualify, I'll get agreat experience, perfect.
The week before the event, thelady calls me and says all right
, debbie, I want to let you knowyou're in the tournament.

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And I said great, yes, I'll bethere Monday to qualify.
She said no, no, no, we didn'thave enough people sign up, so
everyone who signed up is in theevent.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Oh like, oh.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
No, that's not my plan that kind of reminds me of
my disc golf, because I play alot of tournaments where I'm the
only girl who's playing, so Ihave a lot of first place
trophies just because I'm theonly one that played there you
go.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, how come more, more?

Speaker 4 (22:25):
uh, women don't play so that is one of the areas that
we're, you know, trying tofigure out with disc golf how do
we increase the amount of womenthat play um?
A lot of the states arestarting to do um a series of
women's events like washingtonstate has a series of it's
events.
Like Washington State has aseries of it's somewhere between

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eight and 10 events that'sspecific to the women, and
they're also working on growingit for juniors too, so kids
under 18.
But that's definitely one areathat the PDGA needs to grow in
and they're taking some steps,know, taking some steps forwards
, taking some steps back, tryingto figure out how to get more

(23:08):
people to play.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, the LPGA has a goal of changing the face of the
game.
For years it was about 20,maybe up to 22% of golfers were
women and that would not move.
It was always that percent.
And the LPGA has a girls' golfprogram where we have now
reached a million young girlsand introduced them to the game

(23:35):
and many have just come backyear after year after year and
they love it.
And so there's more now womenplaying.
There are tour players who grewup and started in the girls
golf program and it's alsosponsored by the USGA USGA LPGA
girls golf.
Our goal is to get to the nextmillion and that is now changing
the face of the game becausethere's over 30% girls and

(23:58):
juniors now getting close to 40and the women are moving up, now
getting closer to 30%.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Nice, that's awesome.
Yeah, we have four daughters,so we're big advocates for the
growth of women's sports andgetting young ladies involved in
athletic endeavors.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
And that is so key to development.
I think it's.
I'm so glad you're a part ofthat and there's been a huge
growth right.
Kaitlyn Clark with the WNBA andwhat she did in college has
been incredible and it broughtso much attention to the talent
these women have in the game.
And more people are watchingthan ever.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Wasn't Kaitlyn Clark the all-time point scorer in
college basketball, both for menand women?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
yes, and that's what attracted so much attention.
She beat pistol pete's record,yeah, and when she passed that,
it brought an incredible amountof attention, not just to her,
but to women's basketball andwomen's sports.
I mean, soccer is growingthere's, so other sports are
growing Softball a professionalsoftball league is starting.

(25:10):
There's been a huge growth inwomen's sports overall.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I know one of our daughters is watching the
women's hockey league.
She's pretty excited about that.
She's big into hockey.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
She doesn't play, but she loves, loves the sport yeah
and yeah, so it's growingeverywhere so some commentary on
golf and just kind of a plug tothe young ladies and even the
older ladies out there.
As far as disc golf and justgolf in general, it goes is that
this sport is so accessible toeverybody and you can play it

(25:48):
your entire life, both ball golfand disc golf, and so it's a
lifetime sport and there's nolike there is a little bit of a
stigma remnants because womennever historically women weren't
allowed to play golf back whenit first came about.
But now that they are like comeone, come all, play, be a part

(26:12):
of it.
It's accessible to everybody aswhere like, say, things like
football or baseball or hockeymight not be.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Oh yeah, you can get into golf anywhere you live,
whether it's the first tee forjuniors, girls golf for juniors,
and courses are more welcoming.
There's enough public courses.
There are a tremendous amountof women's golf associations.
You know the LPGA AmateurAssociation In New Jersey.

(26:45):
We have the Women's GolfAssociation of New Jersey.
I mean, if people really justtake a look and you don't have
to look hard, just golf near me,probably If you want a teacher,
you can Google find the teacherLPGA.
You put your zip code in andall of a sudden you can get some

(27:06):
golf lessons with somebodynearby.
You know, I mean, men are greatteachers as well.
I know our LPGA education andI'd love for people to look
there and see if there's anyonenearby who could help them get
into the game.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yeah, we went to.
On our trip to Minnesota wewent to a place called Top Golf
and so we were able to take ourkids and they were shooting
drives and it was video gamified, because you had to get into
these massive holes and thetechnology of tracking the ball
to give you the points was justamazing and our kids by the end

(27:45):
were like, hey, maybe I do wantto do this golf thing.
So even things like that, wherethey're gamifying it for our
younger generation, that's socomputer-based, technology-based
giving is that there were morerounds played not on grass last

(28:08):
year.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
52% of golf is played in indoor simulators.
It's played at top golf typeplaces and it's become so easy
for juniors who love, like thevideo, the video games, and they
can just see it and then in inthose indoor simulators they

(28:29):
could do soccer, they could,they could throw a Frisbee, they
there's throw football.
There's so many things they cando in the simulator and they're
also used to it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, and it kind of it kind of defeats the
environmental problems too,because, like we're up in
Washington, it rains for eightmonths out of the year it rains,
and so being able to play on anindoor simulator and get the
same effect really not onlygrows the sport, but also makes
it more accessible for thosepeople that maybe don't have the

(29:01):
money to fly down to Arizonafor three or four months.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, exactly, it makes it a year-round sport, no
matter where you live, whetherit's too hot in Arizona or it's
too cold up in Washington or NewYork State, wherever you are,
you can play golf year-round now, and it's become more and more
popular.
Indoor golf is just exploding.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Air-conditioned golf.
I could get used to that.
That'd be sweet.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
It'd be too cold for me.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah right, and being able to order some nachos and
be like, hey, I'm in the ninthhole and nachos.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
If you want to put nachos in your golf cart, you
can.
There's nothing stopping you.
I played with a lady who hadfried rice in her golf bag, so I
mean you can put whatever youwant in there.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I like the bacon one.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah, so actually I wanted to get into the idea of
the mental game with golf.
I've also been studying themental game of golf and disc
golf and how it's helped me Idon't know recover from things

(30:10):
that I've been through andseeing.
Going out there with a lot ofthe women and hearing their
stories of you know, I haveanxiety, I have depression, I
have this, I have that andthey're out there and using disc
golf as their way to improve,to grow and kind of get back to
who they want to be.
So I'd love to hear your storyof how you got into studying the

(30:34):
mindset of golf.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
What a great question and such an important topic,
because so many people struggleon the mental part of life, not
just in these sports.
What happens oftentimes in golf?
It brings out the challengesthat people have.
We bring our whole mindset, ourwhole brain to disc golf, to

(30:58):
golf, 18 hole golf on the golfcourse or in simulators and
sometimes, if with the rightmindset, it's the getaway right,
it's the escape from if life iscausing too many challenges or
too many anxieties.
But I got into it when I was ateenager.
My mom would buy Salada teabags and they had quotes on them

(31:20):
and I would read those quotes.
Every time I had a cup of teaor anyone in my family I would
grab them all and I would savethe ones that resonated with me.
And so many of those quoteswere about like positive
thinking, believing in yourself.
And then I got into NormanVincent Peale.
I think I saw a couple of hisquotes and then I started
reading his books and listeningto cassette tapes to give you my

(31:43):
age more of it of Zig Ziglar,oh yeah.
And then I learned about whatwas called Silva Mind Control,
which is now Mind Valley today,and I just was so passionate
about for me being the bestathlete I could be and then
being the best person that Icould be, achieving goals, being

(32:06):
successful, personal growth.
I was very much attracted tothat.
I majored in psychology.
I then, after majoring inpsychology, I got Tony Robbins
cassette tapes personal powerand did that program and even
though I then went to golfpursuing as a player and then I

(32:27):
loved teaching the game and Ibecame a head golf professional
eventually and still alwaysteaching I was focused on the
mental game and then I went sodeep I became a life coach.
So now I don't even just talkmental game, I talk mindset,
which is the entire thoughts,emotions, behaviors, our entire

(32:50):
being.
And that's what you mentioned,jenny, because the anxiety that
people experience right that,the fear that we experience, the
doubts, the pressure we put onourselves to be perfect or to
have these high standards andtrying to live up to trying to

(33:11):
belong, you know there's so manythings that get in the way of
us just allowing ourselves to beourselves out there, vulnerable
, and all miss the disc, missthe basket, miss the shot, you
know, hit it in the water, oryou know the disc doesn't go
where you want it to and maybethat feels embarrassing, but
then go wait, I tried my best.

(33:32):
It's not so easy, yeah, andthat's why I love to dig into
the mindset and really, what arethe limiting beliefs?
That's creating the negativethoughts, which creates those
emotions?
So it's incredibly powerful.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I'm so glad that you said that like that, because I
think the foremost emotion thatI feel when I have a terrible
round is that I'm embarrassedbecause I feel like I've let
myself down, I've let my cardmates down, uh, I just it's so
multi-faceted, the embarrassment, that it's like I just want to

(34:10):
go crawl into a hole anddisappear for a week yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I.
What does that represent?
Right, if you have a bad roundand you other people were
counting on you and let themletting you, you you feel like
you let them down.
Like what does that representto you?
What does that mean about you?
What do you think that means?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
um well, you know now that I think about it
introspectively, like that.
I feel like it's I care toomuch about what other people
think.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, so, and that's what's so important, right?
Then we go deeper.
And then, what's importantabout that?
How is the problem?
Is they think negatively orthey felt disappointed, right?
Or you know so.
So we want to examine.
This is what I do, is I examine?
When did you decide?
What other people think?
Is that important, right?

(35:08):
And we want to understand what,how, how your brain is doing
the problem, because there couldbe someone else who finishes
that round.
And they were terrible.
They go.
Well, geez, that was really bad, but I tried my best.
Let me go learn some things.
I promise you guys, I'll dobetter next time, right?
Someone could do that, orsomeone could feel totally
embarrassed, and there's nojudgment on any of it.

(35:29):
We're just human beings and wehave a certain neurology, neural
connections in our brain andbeliefs, and we put meaning to
everything we do.
There's always a meaning.
So what does it mean?
Oh, geez, I let them down.
Well, that's why I feelembarrassed.
And then what does that mean?
That I really care what otherpeople think?
And then, typically, it's, andI think they're thinking

(35:50):
negative things about me,because your teammates might be
thinking well, I know, he triedhis best, we all tried.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
love the guy, all is good, but you think they're
thinking dang, he let us downbut I think it's a little bit of
body language too, because when, for example, I'm having a bad
round and I'm playing in atournament, I can kind of read
the hand motions and theshoulders and the breathing

(36:19):
patterns of kind of the peoplearound me growing impatient,
like, oh boy, he's takinganother shot.
Oh man, here we are again, likeokay, this is going to be a
problem and and a lot of that isjust kind of my inner voice
interpreting those actions.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
but a lot of it, a lot of it is perception and body
language and he and I do alsobelieve a lot of that is
assumptions on your point, onyourself.
So here's a great quote.
Everybody pay, pay attention tothis.
You're going to love it, right?
We know what other people thinkof you is none of your business
.
I've added to that what youthink other people are thinking

(37:02):
of you is your business and it'svery telling.
So when we put thoughts onother people that they haven't
said, that means that's whatwe're thinking of ourselves and
you're also looking for that ina way.
So this is neurolinguisticprogramming.

(37:22):
It's all researched.
We have about 11 million bits ofinformation coming at us every
second, meaning, like in themorning when you put your socks
on, you feel your socks aroundyour feet, right?
You just put them on.
Eventually you don't feel themanymore, right?
So there's a lot of informationthat we could take in that's
coming at us.
Our brain can only handle about134 bits of information, so how

(37:48):
does it decide what to notice?
So, brandon, what you're saying, you notice their body language
that then interpret it.
Where someone else maybe inthat 134, they're just noticing
the trees that are so pretty, orthe animal that went by, or

(38:09):
they're so focused on their nextshot that they don't even
notice how other people arestanding or looking at them.
So that's important to you,that's what we discover, right?
It's important to you whatother people are thinking and
you're interpreting it based onwhat your beliefs are.
So I tell a story that can makethis point.

(38:32):
So if, if someone feels like Idon't belong, right, and they
walk into a party and they see aperson who they know and who's
really popular everybody lovesthis person and they see them
and it looks like they'relooking at and they wave to them
and they just turn around andwalk away.
So someone who thinks I don'tbelong here is going to say, oh

(38:56):
my gosh, they saw me, they'remad, I'm here, I knew I
shouldn't have come, someone whofeels I belong here, and then
that same situation happens.
They might go oh, they must nothave seen me, or someone must
have called them, or they don'tinterpret it at all.
They just go oops, oh well, andthey go start talking to other

(39:17):
people.
So you see what I mean how weinterpret things based on our
beliefs, we put meaning tothings and, yes, can people read
body language?
I'm not saying we can't, we can, but how do you know that body
language is about you and notabout something else.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
So I want to go a little make another connection
with that.
So we interviewed Joel Turnerabout Shot IQ and Mind IQ and
one of the things that he saidthat has helped me as of late
because I just played two majorevents is to when something

(39:57):
happens so maybe I thinksomeone's talking about me, or
like there's a lot of wind, orlike the sun's in my eye I just
have to acknowledge it and say,yep, someone's talking and move
on.
So for me, giving it thatlittle bit of energy instead of

(40:18):
letting it sit in my head, andfester has really helped me move
past a lot of the problems thatI've had the past three or four
years we've been playing andallowed me to participate in,
feel like I could participate insome major events and was
relatively successful.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
So powerful, yeah, so recognizing and being real and
honest.
I have people in golf be like,okay, the water isn't there.
The water isn't there.
And I'm like, okay, you don'tsay that.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yes, it's not true.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Your brain's like, okay, the water's really there.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
You're trying to lie to me.
No, the water's there.
I see the water, so don'tpretend it's not there because
it's there.
So, whatever the truth is, yes,the wind.
So here's a great formula foreveryone to write down E plus R
equals O.
The E is the event, the wind.
People talking on the golfcourse slow play.

(41:20):
Does slow play happen in discgolf?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Oh yeah, Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Okay, so slow play, right, you got your rhythm going
and all of a sudden, jeez, wegot to wait for everybody, right
?
So E is the event.
And then a lot of people think,bad event, bad outcome.
Oh, this is bad.
And they go right to theoutcome is bad.
Some people talk themselvesinto oh, I can't play with this

(41:47):
pace of play.
I'm terrible in slow play.
I lose my rhythm and tempo, Ilose my focus.
And then guess what happens thenext time they're slow play.
They don't play well.
The next time they're slow play, you already told yourself that
you don't play well in slowplay.
So E plus R equals O.
The plus R is how you respond.
Your response really influencesthe outcome.

(42:11):
You know, take during COVID.
There were a lot of people whoput on what they called the
COVID-15, and maybe some peopleput on more.
Right, there was an event bad.
Their gym closed, theirpersonal trainer can't train
them anymore, whatever theycan't do, their Pilates or yoga,

(42:31):
whatever they were doing,because everything shut down and
they went, ooh, that's bad, Ican't do this.
And they did nothing.
Then there's others who said,oh okay, this happened.
I will respond by doingworkouts at home.
I'm going to find people online.
I'm going to maybe eathealthier, because now I'm
eating at home every meal andtheir outcome was they got in

(42:53):
the best shape of their life.
So it's how you've got to takethe responsibility.
Put yourself in the driver'sseat when you blame things you
know on outside of you.
So the wind happens.
If all of a sudden you canrecognize, okay, the wind, then
make a decision with a responseto create a good outcome.
You're taking responsibilityfor the outcome and when you do,

(43:18):
you're in the driver's seat.
And when you takeresponsibility, even if you
drive yourself into a ditchbecause you're in the driver's
seat, if you take thatresponsibility, you can drive
yourself out.
If it's everybody else's fault,you're stuck right.
So I hear people all the timecomplaining about things that

(43:39):
are out of their control.
So one of the things for alleveryone listening in in disc
golf, golf, whatever sport youplay in life, in work, your
career, in your relationship,what can you control?
What can't you control?
If you can't control it, letthat go.

(43:59):
You can notice it, just let itgo.
And then the R is how can Irespond to whatever I can't
control?
We couldn't control COVID.
We can't control slow play,right, how do I respond to make
the best outcome possible?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, we're just sitting here letting it soak in,
I think.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
So this is a thing that kind of hits close to home
here, because we recently, inthe last couple years, had a
high school football coach thatpassed away and, uh, it was kind
of all of a sudden and verytragic, and this was his saying
all the time was the e plus requals o, and so this, this

(44:46):
equation, is plastered all overthe side of the football field
and on T-shirts, and they evenhave football jerseys dedicated
to Coach Snyder.
So, coach Snyder, if you'relistening out there somewhere,
this is for you, bud.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Oh, that was so awesome.
I learned it from a footballcoach.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah, there you go, there, you go, there, you go.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
So I wonder it could stem back to Coach Snyder, which
is really amazing.
I love that.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
So something that, since we've been talking, I was
thinking of.
You know, I think golf gives usthis perfect opportunity to
look at ourselves in kind of a Iwant to say microchasm I don't
know if that's quite the wordthat I want to use but we have

(45:37):
18 opportunities to start over,try again, have an event with a
different reaction and have adifferent outcome.
And I think that's one of thethings why people enjoy golf so
much is because you haveopportunity after opportunity
after opportunity, and you haveat least 18 of them.

(45:59):
One of our courses is 27.
And so sometimes it's 27opportunities, but you have that
opportunity to restart at thetee box every time, and then,
you know, walking between holes,you get a chance to maybe get a
breath, get some water, getsome food and then do it again.
So it gives you thatopportunity, kind of on a

(46:22):
smaller scale, on a rapid cycle,to go through all of these
emotions and figure out how tomake that quick change to have a
better opportunity or betteroutcome.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Well, and even if you want to break it down further,
I mean, each and every shot is anew opportunity to start over,
because it's always somethingdifferent, something to adapt to
.
And you know, I've always saidthat golf is like holding up a
gigantic mirror in front of yourface and it really makes you
examine yourself and maybe beoverly self-aware.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Without a doubt, golf will bring out all of the
emotions, all of the challengesthat you have in life.
And you're so right about everyshot is an opportunity as long
as you take it.
Too many people bring a badhole or a bad shot to the next
shot, a bad hole to the nexthole, a bad front nine to the

(47:21):
bad back nine.
So as long as you take it asthat, it's an opportunity and be
able to let go.
So one of the things I teachpeople is a nice deep sigh
breath to let go of a poorexecution, whether that's a disc
golf or golf with a golf club,and then in your hand hitting a

(47:43):
ball where you take a deep bellybreath in.
When you breathe in throughyour nose, your belly goes out
and then when you breathe out,you go literally sigh it out and
feel that anxious whateverleaves your body.
I have a formula I teach and Icall it blab, and I have people

(48:03):
saying all the time make sureyou blab, blab, blab all the way
around the golf course andthat's how you create a new
opportunity every shot.
Blab is, as you mentioned itearlier, brennan, body language.
You can intentionally putyourself in a confident state by
moving your body.
We all know that our bodyreacts to our emotions.

(48:25):
The opposite is also true.
Our emotions react to our bodylanguage.
So if you stand like asuperhero and then put a smile
on your face, you actuallyrelease your own little happy
drug, serotonin, dopamine andyou're standing in a confident
posture.
You can't help but get in abetter state of mind.
Then we add language I've gotthis, I can do this and language

(48:52):
where when you respond and Ilike to say respond rather than
react, because respond is a lotmore to it and you can use your
strategies.
When you respond To a poor shot, you can say that's interesting
.
Or instead of being frustrated,you can say wow, this is so
fascinating, I could aim overthere and hit it over there, or

(49:13):
throw that disc over there ormiss by.
That much Fascinating.
And it pops you out of thatnegative state.
Because we know when we getinto a negative state we get so
much adrenaline and cortisol,that stress hormone, that our
body tenses up and it's hard tohave a beautiful fluid golf

(49:35):
swing with great timing andtempo and rhythm when you're
tense.
So, using language and thenasking positive, leading
questions, things like how can Ihit my drive farther.
How can I do better whenthere's slow play?
What can I do Not there's slowplay?
What can I do Not?
What's wrong with me?
Why can't I whatever?

(49:56):
Why can't I lose weight?
What if you asked, how can Iget in the best shape of my life
and enjoy the process?
Whatever you ask your brain,it's looking for the answer.
So the L is positive language,positive words, words that can
pop you out of any negativestate, and then positive leading

(50:19):
questions.
And the A is appreciation.
You cannot be stressed andthankful at the same time.
So you can stop beatingyourself up on the golf course
because you're going to usepositive language.
You're going to say, nope, Igot this Next hole, we can do it
.
And then look around and lookat the trees, look at the water,
look at anything, and be like Iam so blessed to be out here, I

(50:41):
am so thankful.
Well, I can see, I can hear, Ican walk, I can talk, I have, I
can physically be out hereplaying the sport I love right
and enjoying it with my friendsand on the golf course the bar
follows you if you like to havea cocktail Right.
So it's all good.
How about that?

Speaker 4 (51:01):
That's one thing missing in disc golf.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
You mentioned it.
You mentioned it.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, there you go, the bar.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Oh, the cart you mentioned earlier the deep
breaths right.
So that's Blab and that's howyou can create an opportunity
every time by knowing I am incharge of how I feel.
I am in charge of whether I'mgoing to approach this with a
positive mindset and withconfidence and belief in myself.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
I absolutely love this.
I run a tournament.
I've run it for three years.
It's called Sirens of theSprings and it's part of the
Evergreen Women's Series andit's held at Shelton Springs,
washington, where they have theCascade Challenge, one of the
things that I do.
So Shelton is windy, you go outinto the field and the wind

(51:46):
does what the wind does.
So when, when I saw it doingthat, I'm like you know what.
It would be really fun toacknowledge the fact that, okay,
the wind just took my disc andmade it look like an elevator
and went the wrong direction.
So how can I recognize thatwith these women, as we're
playing in a way that you knowknow makes these negative things

(52:10):
positive?
So what I did for one round ofmy tournament is I created a
bingo card where it's some ofthose negative outcomes, it gets
a positive spin on it.
So, for example, one of mybingo squares is the wind takes
the disc.
So if the wind just kind oftook it, you get a stamp on your

(52:31):
bingo card.
Or there's some hazards If theyland in the hazards, they get a
stamp on their bingo card.
And then there's also some funthings that the women's do like
take a picture of wildlife, takea selfie, take a group photo.
But I started that last yearand Brandon was like I'm not so
sure about bingo.
People started that last yearand Brandon was like I'm not so

(52:52):
sure about bingo, like peopleare pretty serious at this
tournament, but they love it.
They absolutely loved it thatit took some of those negative
outcomes and instantly turned itaround and made it positive.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
so I think that ties in there thank you and it was so
successful with the women thatwe started doing it at the men's
tournament and the guysactually really turned on to it
too.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Yeah, we did a guys tournament this year the
following day Tritons of theTimbers and they enjoyed the
bingo card too.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah, Well, it turns it back into a game.
Didn't we all love games as akid, right, and we would play
Yep.
And that's what this really is.
Can you be competitive?
Can you want to win Absolutely?
Can you also have a good timedoing it?
100%.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
So on your, you know, doing our show research and
whatnot, you speak about havinga passion for developing
self-esteem in children mainlyteenagers using golf and these
different mindsets and socialstructures, and this would be.

(54:00):
I would love to hear about thatbecause it plays so much into
some of the work that Jenny'sdoing with her nonprofit
organization, plays so much intosome of the work that Jenny's
doing with her nonprofitorganization.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
This is the most important thing I do as an LPGA
professional.
I was very blessed in 2015.
I got a phone call that said weare creating the LPGA
Leadership.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Academy.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Would you help us write the curriculum?
I said absolutely 100%.
It's for teenage girls.
We bring them in for a two-daytotally transformational
experience.
We teach them things inside andwe practice them indoors the
best we can and really get themready, and then we go outdoors
and we use golf to implement sothey learn it and they go

(54:54):
implement it right away.
They learn about leadershipstyles, they learn that they are
a leader.
They learn about blab Blab is abig thing.
We teach them and they willrepeat I am in charge of how I
feel about a thousand times intwo days.
So it does empower them.

(55:14):
For sure.
They learn their ownpersonality and personality
traits, how people are different, and so they walk out different
people.
It's amazing to see and sorewarding.
I cry at the end of every onebecause I know their lives were
changed.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
So the first day is club in hand?
No club in hand.
Is it more chalk talk and likeexercises?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It's both.
So we start indoors.
We actually do a bingo boardwith questions like find someone
who plays nine holes, findsomeone who plays the same golf
clubs as you, find someone who'sthe youngest child or from your
same state.
So we have all these questionsso they get to know each other.
It's a whole group of people,like 40 girls, and we want them

(56:06):
to get to know each other, getcomfortable asking questions.
We give them the questionsAnybody, anybody, a left-handed
golfer and then they sign theirbingo card and they're trying to
get full board bingo.
So, speaking of bingo, we usethat game as well.
And then we get into teaching.
First morning is theintroduction about leadership,

(56:27):
and then we teach them the Blabformula right away.
And then we go outside forabout an hour and a half and we
implement it.
And I'll give you an example.
So we have the girls with adriver in their hand.
They take a backswing and theysay I am.
And at impact they come up witha word, so say it's, I am

(56:48):
confident.
Their partner is standingbehind them in the power pose.
We like to call it the WonderWoman pose.
So they're standing there intheir power pose and what they
will do.
Then say, jenny said I amconfident she hits the ball and
I'm her partner.
I say yes, you are confident,jenny, and I say her name.

(57:09):
So they said it while doing anactivity, right at impact, the
PowerPoint, and they, theirbrain hears that word.
And then they hear someone elsesay it to them with their name
and we're starting to shiftneurology and the girls get so
into supporting each other.
It's it's a safe place.

(57:30):
No one judges each other, wejust cheer supporting each other
.
It's a safe place.
No one judges each other, wejust cheer for each other.
And we know when they come inday one, they're quiet, they're
shy, they're worried about beingjudged.
What are other people thinking?
Will I fit in?
Will people laugh at me?
I'm going to embarrass myself?
All the fears are there.
By the time they walk out,they're ready to be their

(57:53):
authentic self and take on theworld.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Yeah, yeah, when I see other women like caddying
for their husbands or boyfriendsor just around the course at
maybe a tournament that I'mplaying that there's not a lot
of women participants, I reallytry to get them to come to one
of the women's events, becausewe throw those events like a
party, like it's kind of like afamily reunion.
Everyone gets to know each other.
We build those strong bondsbecause of the shared

(58:29):
experiences that we have wherewe are, you know, being
vulnerable by being out there onthe disc golf course and maybe
not showing our best selves foryou know, all 18 holes, but we
have that shared experience init.
It just it adds that additionallevel of you know, life skills
through this game and and I'mjust impressed with how much

(58:52):
I've grown, I've seen otherwomen grow like I keep, uh, keep
trying to get them to come toour tournaments.
But on top of that, there'ssome women where it's like I
want you to come on the podcast,I want you to share your story
so that other women out therewho are experiencing the same
things have that opportunity foryou and I, that opportunity to

(59:13):
learn from you, and I think it'syou know, it may be harder for
adults to get to that pointwhere they're willing to take
these risks and chances, becausewhen we're kids, we're I think
we're a little more flexible wedefinitely are as kids, the
teenagers not as much.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, and especially with social media, it's all
about how you look and what youlook like on social media.
What other kids are thinking.
These kids come in.
Some of them are like you know,if someone didn't like their
post and it's a friend of theirs, they're like destroyed because
they didn't hit.
Like One gal said I sendpictures like five or six

(59:59):
pictures to all my friends and Iask them which one I should
post, right, and she's like, butI make the final decision.
So they want to make sure itlooks good.
So we had one gal come in tothe Leadership Academy who loved
CrossFit, absolutely loved it,and she was getting made fun of,

(01:00:24):
she was getting bullied, shewas getting called a dyke.
People would make fun of herbecause she had muscles and she
stopped, even though she hadsuch a passion for it, because
of what these other kids weredoing to her.
When she left the LeadershipAcademy, not only did she go
back to CrossFit, she put a signup, said anyone want to learn

(01:00:46):
CrossFit, I'll be doing itwherever it was, come and join
me.
She had a bunch of kids joinedher and she started teaching it
to them that's awesome so it'stalk about personal growth,
right, jenny?
what when we we intentionallyteach them so much?
And what you said about sharedexperiences.
You know you're vulnerable outthere disc golf rather than golf

(01:01:08):
, because, it's you right, it'syour fault if you hit a great
one, it's your fault if you hita bad one.
So I tell people all the timewe're naked out there.
So that's why business golf isso important and valuable
because you get a deeperrelationship, because you go on
this journey of celebrations, ofembarrassing shots, of ups and

(01:01:32):
downs, and you're in the bunker,you're hitting a great shot
down the middle, then you missthe green how do you handle all
that?
And you go on that withsomebody and it develops a
deeper relationship, like yousaid, and it's a journey and if
you look at it as that, if youlook at it at the end of each

(01:01:52):
round as an opportunity forgrowth, I have another.
I love acronyms.
I have another one called PALand I encourage people, after
every round of golf, just sitfor a moment and do PAL.
P is positives.
What were the positives thathappened today?
Because if you go to the 19thhole of a golf course, or if

(01:02:13):
they gather, after disc golfmost of the talk is about the
bad shots.
everybody hits, oh yeah, and youdon't want to reinforce the bad
shots.
You want to gain confidence andhelp yourself get better by
focusing on the positives.
But then here we go, brandon.
All of a sudden you don't wantto brag, right?

(01:02:36):
You're worried that people aregoing to think I'm bragging
because now I'm talking about mygood shots.
So whether you can share them oryou think through them
positives.
First the O is the opportunity.
So with the opportunity is iswhere can I learn?
How can I improve?
Where can I get better?
It's an opportunity.
It's not me criticizing myselffor a poor shot.

(01:02:57):
What can I learn from that shot?
And then the W is what's next.
Now you make a plan toimplement those opportunities so
that the next time you'rebetter.
And now you can be thankful forthat bad round because you
learned so much and now you'llbe better for it yep, I have
some friends that, uh, you knowyou get off the course and
they're like, how'd it go?

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
and they're like that was a uh learning round for me.
I learned so many things and, uh, you know one of the things, um
, because I just finished, uh,the amateur world's championship
.
One of the things that I did isI would hear the women, even at
the practice basket, talkingabout their awful shots, and I

(01:03:42):
made a choice that I'm not goingto go practice near them, or I
put in my earplugs because Ididn't want to hear all of that
negativity when I'm just gettingout there and just warming up.
I don't want to set up for thatnegative experience.
So you know one of the things,when I work with people, when

(01:04:03):
we're on the same card, it'slike they're like man, I thought
about that tree and it's likewell, next time don't think
about the tree, because you knowyou go right where your
thoughts are.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
So you know, don't have the negative talk, don't
say the don't things like youneed to keep it positive yeah,
energy, energy flows where focusgoes yep, or where focus goes
energy, however you want to lookat that, and it's because your
brain has to think the not inorder to then try not to think

(01:04:35):
of it.
So if I told everyone listeningright now don't think of a blue
tree.
What pops in your brain Bluetree, a blue tree, the image,
because your brain has to see itthen go, okay, don't think of
this, but you've just given itso much energy.
So, yeah, you don't want toever say don't do something.
You want to focus on what youwant instead, and that's in a

(01:04:59):
goal-setting process as well.
You know, I'll ask peopleoftentimes so, what do you want
your experience at work to be?
What do you want yourexperience on the golf course?
Well, I don't want to beanxious.
Well, what do you want?
And they don't know becausethey focus too much on what they
don't want rather than whatthey do want.
I mean, if people would justtake that information, it can

(01:05:21):
change your life.
As soon as you hear yourselflike, oh, I don't want this or I
don't want that, I don't wantthis, ask yourself, what do I
want instead?
I want to have joy, I want tohave peace.
I want to have calm.
I want to have confidence.
I want to be authentic andvulnerable.
I want to smile more.
I want to laugh more.
I want to achieve my goals.
You know, what is it that youwant?

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This is Sarah Hocum and you are listening to the
Intentional Disc Golfer Podcast.
Yeah, I think a lot of peopleare scared to go that route and
you know, I think that's why,you know, we talked about how
there aren't as many womenplaying tournaments as you know,
women out there.
I think a lot of times thewomen are scared to go out there
and take that risk.

(01:08:06):
And you mentioned social mediaand I mean I, I work in a um 6
through 12 school.
Uh, and just the amount ofsocial media we, we don't allow
our kids to have social media,they're not allowed to have
phones, um, and it's just thesocial media is so destructive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Well, in fact, when the kids have kind of pilfered
social media access in our house, we've seen a significant
decline in their overallwell-being and mental health,
and that's why we've made thatdecision as parents is to
severely limit their access tosocial media.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Yeah, I think that's a great idea because research
shows it.
And I asked the girls in theLeadership Academy how many of
you compare yourself to others?
And everyone raised their handand I said when you do you, what
are you seeing?
And everyone said somethingnegative, except one girl in

(01:09:12):
this last one.
She said well, sometimes I, ifI see someone struggling with
something and I had it comeseasy to me.
I'm thinking I'm reallyfortunate and it was it was one
out of many leadership academiesthat I've done, so out of
hundreds of girls.
Most of the time when wecompare ourselves to others, we

(01:09:35):
put ourselves less than, or welook for where we're less than.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
We don't look for where we're better right on this
entire conversation about theassumptions we make about
ourselves against what otherpeople think of us and we were

(01:10:01):
talking about the kids versusadults, and I wanted to
backtrack a little bit on thatis how do you feel about, you
know, kids?
They don't get quite the gravityof it and they're not judged as
much because, oh, they're kidsand they're goofy and whatever.
But as you start to becomeprepubescent there starts to be

(01:10:23):
a pecking order and then you getinto teenage years and you're
really starting to establishyour social standing.
And then, when you get intoadulthood, people's perceptions
of us they do matter and you doneed to care about them, because
you know it's a job interview,it's a promotion, it's, you know

(01:10:44):
, attracting a partner or a mate, it's establishing a family,
it's attracting a partner or amate, it's establishing a family
and the gravity of thosedecisions and those perceptions,
they hold a lot more weight andthere's not as much of a safety
net.
And so the connection I'mmaking is maybe, as an adult, we

(01:11:06):
bring too much of that into ourplay life, whether it be on the
golf course or if you're on abowling team, or you know, if
you're, you know, on acompetitive cribbage team or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah, or you're playing bridge bridge.
Yeah, 100%, and there arethere's moments.
Right, you have to dressproperly for the interview, yeah
, but then do you ever see umpursuit of happiness?
the movie and will smith playsthe character, and this guy is

(01:11:41):
broke, he's homeless, his wifeleft him, he has a kid and he
has this job interview andsomething happened with his
pants they ripped or somethinglike that Like, and then he took
him someplace to get him fixed,but the he didn't have time.
So he goes to the interview.
I don't think he had pants on,he had like jockey shorts on,

(01:12:01):
and this is all based on a truestory and he just was vulnerable
and open.
He said look, this is whathappened and this is why I'm
standing here without pants, butat least I have a shirt on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Or he said something, but I will work hard for you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
He got the opportunity because not
everybody was like, yeah, we gotto give him an opportunity.
But there was one guy who wasso, yeah, I mean, yes, do
opportunity.
But there was one guy who wasso, yeah, I mean, yes, do we
want to dress properly forinterviews?
100%, do we want to.
When you're doing a podcast, doyou want to be prepared?

(01:12:41):
Do you want to do some research?
100%.
Do you want to be an expert inyour field?
If you're claiming you're anexpert, awesome.
And there's also avulnerability, authenticity
aspect to all of it.
That's important and Iinterviewed.
My next book that's coming outprobably first quarter of 2026
is called C-Suite Success, as inC-Suite and corporate America,

(01:13:01):
the letter C-S-U-I-T-E success.
So it has a little doublemeaning when you say it and it's
wisdom from women at the top,and these women who reached the
pinnacle of their career talkedabout.
I wish I was just moreauthentic when I was younger,
where I wasn't always worriedabout what people were thinking

(01:13:23):
and trying to act a certain way.
So, yes, be prepared, beprofessional in all areas of
life and also be yourself.
I have a great friend who's nowthe head of the foundation in
the LPGA and she said look, I'mnot a business person Like.
If you want me to wear a suit,it's going to be pink.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
So just so you know, I will be myself.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
I will do a great job for you.
I will, uh, make sure.
If you want details, you'llhave the details.
I'll do all the work, I'll bewith, I'll have my budgets, I'll
do all of it.
I'll organize everything, I'llrun it.
I will also be myself.
You can't ask me to be someoneelse.
And she got the job because shewas so authentic and she was

(01:14:09):
great at what she did.
Right, so we can.
We still have thatvulnerability.
But what you said, brandon, wastoo many people bring that to
worrying about what other peoplethink and are they fitting in
well enough and what are peoplethinking.
But what if we could just loveourselves enough, believe in who
we are as people, enough thatwe can be ourselves, try our

(01:14:33):
best.
We can still have highstandards that doesn't mean
perfectionist high standards andthen pow it out.
Look at the positives.
What are the opportunities?
What's next, when, if it's notperfect?

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Yeah, uh, you, uh.
You're just talking about youknow, not being perfect and your
book that's coming out.
I have a back on my head bookthat I want to write on
parenting and my lens as ateacher and a principal of the
title would be uh, my child isperfect, but with the knot in

(01:15:09):
between it, focusing on, youknow, all those opportunities,
those chances where we fail andhow we learn from failure, and
we should embrace failure andnot trying to be so perfect all
the time.
That's one of my dream books towrite.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Well, I encourage you to start saying I will dream
books to write.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Well, I encourage you to start saying I will write
this book.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
I'm getting glared at right now, decide you will
write it because parents need itand it's important.
That message is so important todeliver.
I also wrote, and I did thiswhen it's right, jenny, and it's
your intuition and it's yourpassion and you are meant to
write that book.
Just allow yourself to write it.
I was at a conference andduring the conference I got this

(01:15:55):
idea I'm going to write.
I have to write my book on Blabbecause it's been so
life-changing for so many.
I teach it in corporate America.
When I do my speakingengagements and I have women or
men come up to me and be like,oh my gosh, I was feeling
overwhelmed and now I'm justgoing to be in demand instead,
and that just changed.

(01:16:15):
I'll run into them five yearslater and they say wait, I heard
you speak.
Oh my gosh, you had the cape on.
You were one.
I still use the power posebefore I go in for a meeting, so
it's so powerful.
So I thought I'm going to writea book on this.
And then I woke up the next dayand I said it's going to be a
children's book, oh nice.
So on the airplane, on the wayhome it was a three-hour flight

(01:16:39):
I wrote the book.
It doesn't have to take yearsor months, even when it is in
your heart and you want todeliver a message.
Just set some time aside atsome point, use Blab, get in a
really peak state of mind, jumpup and down a little bit and go.
You know what I'm writing thisthing, not saying you have to do
it that fast, I just happenedto pour it.

(01:17:00):
It's a children's book, so it'snot as long, right, but I
poured it out and it wasactually my story that I used.
That's why it was so easy towrite, because I was really shy
as a kid, painfully shy, so muchso that when the teacher came
in the music teacher and said,who wants to try out for the
play?
I wanted to, but I didn't havethe courage to do it.

(01:17:22):
I was so scared and everyone inthe class left.
I was the only one sitting inthe class by myself, Even though
I would have loved to do it.
I was just so afraid.
So it was stories like that.
And then I put in a dog, um,who teaches me blab.
But it was my.
A couple stories about me beingso shy and then having limiting

(01:17:44):
beliefs and things that andthat would that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
I go through.
Oh man, I have to tell you nowyou've done it, because jenny's
sitting here and she's got tearscoming out of her eyes because
what you just said, uh, was soimportant and on point,
especially to where she's at inlife and what she's going
through.
And then, uh, I want to.
I want to back to uh somethinga little bit.

(01:18:06):
You're talking aboutvulnerabilities, and Jenny was
watching Brene Brown on Netflixand I stumbled into the living
room one day and something hitme that she said is that our
vulnerabilities are what make usunique, are what make us stand
out and what makes us human, andthat our vulnerabilities are

(01:18:30):
the access way for people to beable to find that common ground
and relate to us.
Because that's a, that's apowerful way that we can connect
.
Is that, if I'm, you know,scared of spiders, and then you
know jenny's scared of spiderstoo, and that's something that
we can really draw a parallel on.

(01:18:51):
But it's also the thing thatmakes us stand out.
Like you're talking about WillSmith not wearing any pants in
his interview.
Well, did that stand out tothose CEOs and those
interviewers?
Hey, remember that guy thatcame in here.
He wasn't wearing any pants.
What did he say?
And it's that, it's thatsticking point that makes us us

(01:19:14):
I'm listening to barbarastreisand's book.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
It's it's an amazing book to listen to on audible
because she'll play some of hersinging and some different
interviews.
I mean, it's really.
She did such a great job withit.
It's like you're sitting withbarbara streisand.
She's telling stories.
One of the stories I just heardher tell today was during the
recording of A Star is Born.
They had this live audience.
She was about to sing a song.

(01:19:37):
She hadn't practiced very muchwith the band at all, she had
never sung it with a liveaudience.
And she went out and she said Ijust thought I was so nervous
that I would just be vulnerableand open and tell the audience.
And she said hey, you know,they planned a whole rock
concert so they recorded scenesand then there were other
professional performers whowould perform in between, so it

(01:19:59):
was really a neat way for themto record this movie.
And she went out flat out andsaid I haven't ever done this
live before and I'm reallynervous, so I'm going to try my
best.
She said the audience responsewas amazing because people can
relate to that and the peoplewho are influencers today on

(01:20:22):
social media, the realinfluences like a Mel Robbins is
so authentic and honest JennaKushner.
She's an influencer who isvulnerable.
She'll be on with no makeup andjust say, hey, oh my gosh, I
messed up on this today.
Can you believe?
I did this, and people relateto it and they get more

(01:20:42):
followers because they arevulnerable and in terms of
uniqueness, and that's what weencourage in the Leadership
Academy be your unique self andwe tell them.
You will succeed because you'reunique, not in spite of it.
The world needs uniqueness.

(01:21:05):
We need everyone to bethemselves.
So then, when we come together,we see all the different
perspectives, right, we learnfrom each other, and if you hide
your uniqueness and just to fitin, you're depriving the world
of more learnings and the peoplearound you.
So be yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
One of the teaching strategies I used to teach math.
One of the kind of breakthroughideas that was taught to our
teachers was having the oops ofthe day, like picking out okay.
So we have these four problems.
What's you know?
What was your oops of the day?
Share your oops.

(01:21:41):
What did you learn from?
Was kind of an eye-openingconcept to teaching math and it,
you know, made a lot moreteachers successful by focusing
on okay, we can make mistakes,you know, and how do we learn
from them?

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Ariana Huffington.
I'm pretty sure it was her.
I heard the story.
She shared that every day herfather at dinner would say what
did you fail at today?
And if she didn't have somethingthat she failed at.
He was disappointed because shedidn't try anything new, she
didn't put herself out there,she didn't stretch herself.
Because he knew that beingcomfortable with quote failing,

(01:22:23):
which is a learning experience,right, it's not a failure.
If you learn, being comfortablewith that would make her more
successful.
Have her trying new things andfinding her true self and
growing personally.
And look how successful shebecame.
Right, when you are willing tojust put yourself out there, be

(01:22:45):
your unique self.
I mean, look at Sarah, what'sher name?
From Spanx, her last namestarts with a, b.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
I am not familiar with Spanx.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Oh okay, she created Spanx, incredible piece of
clothing for women, and peopleask she's a self-made
billionaire.
People ask her well, how didyou get into whatever her first
big store was?
I don't know if it was likeSaks, Fifth Avenue or Macy's, I
don't know where it was.
How did you get in?
How did you even get to talkwith the buyer?

(01:23:19):
She said I called them itwasn't rocket science.
I just kept calling and I saidcan I have 10 minutes?
Can I have anything?
You know?
And this is what happened.
And when she's talking to meshe's explaining the Spanx and
basically it's an undergarmentfor women.
So this is how it started.
So their buttocks looks betterin pants.

(01:23:42):
And she wasn't getting anywhere.
She could tell.
And she said would you come tothe ladies room with me?
And this is stretching yourself.
This is a weird ask.
Right, come to the ladies' room.
She said look at me with thesepants on.
I have regular underwear on.
And then she goes and changesand then she puts her Spanx on
and she said now look.
And the lady said come back tomy office, like, literally, like

(01:24:07):
, literally.
So when you are comfortablebeing uncomfortable, you're
comfortable outside and ofyourself and stretching yourself
.
The opportunities are endlesswell, and it doesn't get any
better than that, because you'requite literally showing your
butt to somebody exactly whenyou can do that, and disc, when

(01:24:28):
you can do that in disc golf,you can do that in any golf or
any sport, and you can just beyou.
I promise you you'll playbetter.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Yes, I would agree with you.
So we're getting close to ourtime.
Do you have any final thoughts,anything else you'd like to
share with our audience beforewe wrap it up?

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
oh, you know, I'd love to invite them to my next.
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It's a three-day program, it's90 minutes a day and everyone
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So we take the learnings thatyou have and you talk about it
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(01:25:12):
you.
And all of my coaches aremaster certified life coaches,
so we want to understand what'sin the way in the golf course.
Where else is this in your life, what's the root cause?
And we show you how you canbasically blow it out of your
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So that's coming up in August.

(01:25:33):
It's a Monday, tuesday,wednesday and here's what they
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So that's the big thing.

(01:25:59):
And then watch for my books.
I also oh, you know what else.
They might love this.
Yes, I have a free five-daychallenge on my website.
It's Debbie D-E-B-B-I-E, hyphenO'Connell, o-c-o-n.
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(01:26:19):
look up.
It goes across.
You know how you put the couplemain events that are on there.
Look for the one that says freefive-day challenge.
Click on there.
You'll get an email every dayfor five days and there's a
little challenge to do, ateaching and a challenge.
They're five minutes or lessthese videos.

(01:26:40):
I've had people do that andthey've achieved their next goal
that they had.
It shifted their mood and itstarted to shift their mindset
and it's really a powerfulfive-day program.
That's five minutes a day for amindset shift.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
I love it.
I was looking at it as you weretalking about it.
It looks really nice.
And I also want to side mentionhere I love that you're a disc
John Maxwell teacher D-I-S-C,just like the disc golf that
we're.
It just seems kind of ironic.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's all about understanding the
personality, isn't it?
And in the Leadership Academywe teach the DOPE personality
test, which are doves, owls,peacocks and eagles, and it just
helps everyone understand like,oh, you mean, I don't have to
be that outgoing peacock, it'sokay that I'm an owl, who's more

(01:27:41):
like an accountant anddetail-oriented and not as loud
or boisterous or fast-talking asthis person.
Oh, I understand, and that'sokay, because all birds are good
birds, right?
So it's great to understand ourpersonalities and then how to
relate to other people who havedifferent personalities.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
I have to tell you we were listening to, surrounded
by Idiots in the car, where hehe, you know uses very similar
personalities, and but they'rered, yellow, green and blue, and
the kids are in the car too,and I'm like man brandon, you're
such a red kids are like man heis a red mom.

(01:28:21):
I think you're a this, but youmight be a this.
I think I'm a this, so it wasfun.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
How?
How old are your, how old areyour girls?

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Um, so we have four girls, one boy, uh, we have a 21
year old, 18 year old, 17 yearold and 15 year old girl, and
then our son is 13.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Wow.
Oh my gosh, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
He's the baby Now, um , while, awesome, he's the baby
Now, um.
Well, while we have you on herebefore we get to the wrap up
section, uh, you know so many ofthe things that you were saying
.
When we have you know, you'rein the ball golf world and maybe
there's an opportunity to drawa parallel between the ball golf
world and the disc golf world,because, uh, you were talking

(01:29:04):
about working with kids and whatinstantly sprung to mind was,
uh, scott Stokely.
We spoke with Scott Stokely onthe podcast and one of his
passion projects is he works alot with special needs kids and
has a formula of kind of how todo that.
And then hearing you talk aboutyou know, this is my thing,

(01:29:26):
where I take a day and weconfidence and building self
esteem and all of those thingsand, um, there's a real
opportunity for some kind ofcollaboration there.
If you would be interested, wecould get you connected with
Scott Stokely, um yeah, always,I'm always interested.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Have you, have you ever heard of Amy Brocker steady
?

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
So, amy, she has Down syndrome.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
I've got this foundation.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
It's an incredible learning experience watching a
video of Amy.
She was playing at the WasteManagement PGA Tour event during
a practice round.
She played the par three hole.
That's just where everyonewants to be.
It's the craziest, loudest holeat that event.

(01:30:18):
It's probably the most fun holeon the PGA tour to be a fan.
So she was playing with um acouple of the PGA guys during
their practice round.
She had an opportunity to playthe hole.
You hear her saying I've gotthis, I can do this.
She tees off and then she'swalking down the fairway.
She's looking at the crowd,which is about maybe a third

(01:30:42):
full huge grandstand surroundingthe hole.
She's waving to them saying ohmy, they love me.
So she wasn't worried aboutbeing embarrassed.
She was looking at the fans asthey love me, they're cheering
for me.
And then she had hit it in thebunker.
Pro says you going to hit thatout and she said yes.

(01:31:05):
He said okay.
And then you hear her say I'vegot this, I can do this, I can
do this, I've got this.
The PGA had mic'd her up so youcan hear everything she's
saying.
She knocks it out and she'sabout 15 feet away 10 to 15 feet
away and you hear her again.
I've got this.
I can do this.

(01:31:26):
She steps up, makes the puttWow, I encourage up.
Makes the putt Wow, I encourageher.
Look up Amy Bokerstedt WasteManagement.
Let me just put that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
There we go Waste Management Make sure, while I
have you on, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
If you look up that Bokerstedt.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
I actually remember seeing that video.
I think it was on, wasn't it?
On one of the golfdocumentaries too, Maybe yeah or
was it on social media, one ofthe two.
It's on YouTube.
It's on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
It's gotten millions of hits.
It went viral and Gary Woodlandwas the pro who was with her
and there was another pro, buthe was the one talking with her.
He was the one talking with her.
He was the one most connected.
Later that year, he was playingin the us open and he had never
won a major.
He had the opportunity the lastday to win it.
He was in the lead and hecredited amy.

(01:32:18):
He said I kept saying to myselfthe whole day I've got this, I
can do this.
I've got this.
I can do this after Afterhearing Amy do that what makes
that even more special for meBrandon and Jenny.
She was in the LeadershipAcademy in 2016, and that's
where she learned those words.
Oh, how freaking cool.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
So, I cry every time I watch it and it's gone viral.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
And this foundation helps people with Down syndrome
all over the country and theyuse golf to empower them as well
.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
That is so wonderful.
That is so wonderful.
And then you know, last lastthought I have for you is man,
it would be so cool to haveDebbie O'Connell and Joel Turner
on the podcast together and letthose, let them just rattle.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
I don't think anyone can handle that much, that would
be so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
So joel turner is a?
Um, a sniper, and a sniperinstructor for, uh, it was a
local washington police force um, and he's developed a system
called shot iq where it's allabout like bow hunting and
things, and it's exactly whatyou're talking about.
It's neuro-linguisticprogramming.

(01:33:31):
Uh, you know blue blueprintingyour shot, you know
acknowledging things, andthere's there's so many times I
would love to see you guysbounce off each other and just
have an episode dedicated tothat.
That would be amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
I will warn you, though One of his teachings is
to get you to hold your breathas long as possible, and I did
not pass that test.
It's on our podcast, but I heldmy breath for shorter.
Debbie, I'm going to have toget off of here.
I have to go to work for a fewhours, but it has been an
absolute honor to speak with you.

(01:34:09):
I am so blessed that we hadthis opportunity to have you on
our podcast and I look forwardto speaking with you in
September.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
I, too, am so thankful for this opportunity.
You two are amazing.
Thanks for what you're doing,the great information you're
sharing with your audience.
You're changing lives every day.
So, brandon, jenny, thank you.
And Jenny tell me when thatbook's ready for me to read Will
do.
I'm very excited.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
So that does it for this episode of the Intentional
Disc Golfer Podcast.
We have had the pleasure ofhaving Debbie O'Connell on here
with a golf positive, livepositive, bestselling author,
lpga, a professional uh coachand LPGA GA leadership Academy.
And if you enjoy what you hearhere, please like, subscribe,

(01:35:01):
follow, tell all of your friends.
We have all the all the socialmedias.
You can just look up uhintentional disc golfer podcast.
If you want to email us, youcan email us at the intentional
disc golfer at gmailcom and staytuned at the end of this
episode.
If there are any bloopers orouttakes, we will pin them.
After the outro music.

(01:35:23):
We'd like to quickly thank oursponsors, which is Salty
Unicorns, disc Golf, apparel andTreasures of the Forest, the
epoxy minis that have all thecool stuff in them, and
especially like to thank all ofthe fans for being here and
supporting the show over theyears and, like I said, we love
you guys.
So please like, subscribe,follow, tell everyone.

(01:35:46):
And for this episode, I am oneof your intentional disc golfers
.
My name is Brandon.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
And I'm Jenny.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
And we are here with Debbie O'Connell and here at the
Intentional Disc Golfer.
We truly believe that disc golfchanges lives, so go out there
and grow the sport.

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