Optimizing Your Disc Golf Experience With Strategic Bag Building

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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to the Intentional Disc Golfer Podcast,
the show dedicated to helpingyou elevate your disc golf game
with purpose and strategy.
Whether you're stepping up tothe tee for the first time or
you're a seasoned pro chasingthat perfect round, this podcast
is your guide to playingsmarter, training better and
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Speaker 3 (01:01):
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And we hope that you areenjoying our new segment, the
blooper reel at the end of theepisode.

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So do tune in for that afterthe outro music, and you can
hear some of our outtakes andsilliness as we go on with our
podcasting.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
You know what I just realized?
I haven't actually listened tothat yet.
I'm a little nervous too.
It's not that bad.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's not that bad.
As the dryer's going off andthe dryer's done.
Yeah, speaking of blooper reel.
So, Jenny, you got anyshout-outs out there that you
want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah.
So we're trying out some newdiscs, doing some field work,
trying to figure out our bag,and so I convinced Brandon to
ask our friends for hey, I wouldlike to try these discs.
And one of our friends, Ed Call, over at Kingston High School,
Go Bucks.
He was able to get some ofthose discs for Brandon and so

(03:17):
we went out and played aroundwith him and Jason Boyd, also
over at Kingston High School,Again go Bucs, and we went and
played Fort Stillicum bright andearly yesterday morning, where
it was really cold, really cold.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
What was it?
It was 33 degrees, somethingalong that line.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
According to the UDisc, and UDisc had new options
and stats and things when I wasdoing our scores, so kind of
neat.
Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
32 degrees Fahrenheit and you just had new options
and stats and things when I wasdoing our score, so that was
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
32 degrees Fahrenheit , cold Balmy.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Cold Balmy.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
There was ice on the teapads, yeah, there was.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, it was slippery , yeah, yeah.
So big shout out to Ed Call andJason Boyd, because they're
both both quality human beingsand it was a lot of fun playing
with you guys, so thank you verymuch for that experience.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Also wanted to shout out to Team Grit City Two weeks
of team disc golf and we'rerocking it.
So go, Team Grit City.
That would be Corey, Chris, Cam, Josh, Ty, Brandon and me, Adam
other, Chris and Kayla.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Shout out to Grit City the team to beat this year.
Woo-hoo, woo-hoo and trashtalking is half the fun of
sports, as long as it's done ingood taste.
Yes, sir, yes sir and Jenny,any community calendar updates?
Where are we going to beplaying as the tournament season
starts up?
If case you want to come findyour intentional disc golfers,

(04:53):
this is where we're going to beand when we're going to be there
.
Take it away, jenny.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
So we have team disc golf uh this weekend.
The 25th will be over atfairgrounds and it's both teams
olympic and cascade doing ourfirst uh competition between the
two groups.
So that'll be fun.
And then we have uh thefebruary 2nd is another thing of

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team disc golf down atEvergreen, I believe Olympia,
yeah, evergreen.
And then we will be doing theone-rounder NAGGT qualifier, the
2025 Sea Time, at FortSteilacoom.
Lots of sign-ups stillavailable.
Hope you sign up.
Then we will be going over tothe evacuation route at Sumner

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on the 15th.
We have Team Golf on the 23rdin Auburn, I believe that's at
River White River.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
White River, white River.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
And then March 9th we have another one, I believe
that's at Delphi.
Yep over at Delphi.
And then the first event well,the first tournament of the
Evergreen Women's Series is theFierce Flight Showdown over at
Gaffney's Grove in Maple Valley.
If you are a lady in theWashington area thinking about

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it like you'd like to try oneout, these are the ones to go to
.
It's a big party.
We have a great time.
Let's support Cece, as this isher first tournament.
Let's go ahead and sign up forthat one.
Then we have Team Golf inShelton on the 16th.
Just signed up for the thirdannual Christopher Reeves

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Memorial and Fundraiser forAutism Speaks.
That will be on March 22nd.
And then we have our team golfchampionships on the 30th at
Fort Steilacoom.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's awesome.
And another shout out again toteam golf Love team golf.
It's been a kick in the pantsso far.
Just a ton of fun and theatmosphere is great and they got
food and just everybody's happyto be there.
And then the women's series I'd, we can't blow this up enough
on this podcast.
It's a series for women bywomen uh, all female tournament

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directors and we.
You know they go out there andthe ladies go out there and show
the guys how it's done and, um,these girls are good, they're
worth coming out supporting andwatching.
And, you know, support women'sdisc golf.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
it's a heck of a lot of fun well, and this year it's
not only women tournamentdirectors, but there are women
tournament directors, yeah.
So like, um, the ladies of thelake uh, danielle's taking a
break.
Chuck has enlisted some otherwomen Melissa and Kayla to help

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that legacy live on, which I'msuper excited for because Ladies
of the Lake is my all timefavorite disc golf event.
It's the one that actually gotme interested in wanting to do
tournaments.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I thought it was your disc golf tournament was the
one that uh, one of yourfavorites it's not my favorite
you don't play, you don't votefor your own tournament well, no
.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
So ladies of the lake is the one that made me want to
play disc golf when we firstfound out about tournaments and
disc golf scene.
But sirens of the Springs, likethat's.
It's not about me playing it,it's about how do I make it fun
for the rest of the ladies thatare playing.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
And so, uh, ladies out there, go out onto a disc
golf scenecom and sign up today,yesterday, uh, I don't even
know if registration is open,but sign up anyway.
Uh, on sirens of the springs,um, and then, men it's not open
yet.
It's not open yet, okay, but putit on your, put it on your
watch list.

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You're going to want to sign upfor sirens of the springs.
Get on up here to washington,get a chance to play the same
course that the pro tour playsup here in shelton.
And then, gentlemen, the nextday and ladies you can you can
play the Tritons of the Timbers.
And so while you're up herewatching your ladies, uh, go out
there and shred the course.

(09:14):
You can stay up here and playthe next day and have a little
fun of your own.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
And I want to also put out there.
If you are interested in havinga women's series in your state
or in your area, you can reachout to Nicole Coleman and her.
The website for the evergreenseries is
evergreenserieswordpresscom, andyou can go there and find out

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all the information and see whatwe've done in the past and
hopefully build this for yourarea too.
I know that there is a Oregonwomen's series, there is, I
believe, a Northern Californiaseries, there is a Vancouver BC
series.
So all right, in the same area,where I'd love to be able to go
to all of them, but we can'ttravel that much yet.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Now, we're getting there, we're getting there.
We can't travel that much yet.
No, we're getting there, we'regetting there.
Yeah, all right.
So, moving on to this episode,when we talked about flight
numbers, we said towards the endof the episode that we were
going to address the building ofthe bag issues.
So how to put your bag together.

(10:22):
What type of discs should youselect?
What bag should you select,jenny?
How far can we rabbit hole this?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well, so it's kind of like my cart.
There is so much stuff in therethat it's like a clown car.
We can rabbit hole it like it'slike a clown car.
We can rabbit hole it like that, like a clown car.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
So like you just continually pulling things out
of your cart, there's like a 747in there, and maybe a canoe and
a couple of ball golf clubs,and maybe are there any live
animals in your cart.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I cannot confirm nor deny whether there might be some
disc golf gods in my cart.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
All right, so this episode is all about building
that bag.
We are going to talk about allthe facets of building a bag
that we can think of and, uh, wehave some learning targets for
this episode, jenny.
Would you like to talk aboutsome learning targets for this
episode, jenny Would you like totalk about our learning targets

(11:31):
.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I do not necessarily agree that these are the
learning targets, but we willwork on how to write learning
targets.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
We'll add a few more if you want to, so by the end of
the episode.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Brandon will know how to write learning targets.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
All right.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
By the end of this episode, we will have dissected
the four different categories ofdiscs, their characteristics
and what they are for, and youwill be able to understand the
four different characteristicsof discs, their characteristics
and what they are for.
Learn how to select your discspractically, considering

(12:02):
performance, course andenvironmental conditions with
confidence.
Talk about disc cycling and themost effective ways to do it.
Answer some key bag buildingquestions.
Wow, that's almost a tonguetwister.
Say it again Nope.
Answer some key bag buildingquestions All right One more

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time Answer some key bagbuilding questions.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Good job.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Discuss discs for special situations.
I was going to say specialoccasions.
I do have some special occasiondiscs, by the way.
So we will have discussed discsfor special situations.
You will be able to build aneffective bag with intention and
purpose, and we will discussperipherals and everything else

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that we keep in our bags,including small little animals.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
That's a great job, jenny.
Thank you for that.
No sound effects.
You don't like sound effects?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
No, they were cheering for you.
No, knock it off.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Once you can use them responsibly, you can have your
own soundboard.
Oh, you know the squirrelbutton.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh, I see how it goes .

Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's an angry squirrel by the way, angry
squirrel, all right.
So if we're going to talk aboutbuilding your bag, we need to
start at the bag itself, solet's start there, at the bag.
When you're considering a bag,bags can be expensive.
Bags Bags can be cheap.

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However, you need to considerthe carrying capacity of your
bag.
You need to make sure thatthere's enough space to carry
all the stuff that you want tohaul around, and that will
change based on what the purposeof your bag is.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Hold on, let's go back a little bit.
Yes, okay, if you are a brandnew disc golfer and you are just
learning to play for recreationand fun, you may not even take
a bag.
You may be one of those peoplethat has like the plastic
grocery bag.
The grocery bag, or just somerandom backpack that you have,

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or one of the store-bought bags,so you don't buy bags at the
store.
You know those, so you don'tbuy bags at the store.
You know those, so you don'thave to.
We are at a point where we aretrying really hard to get really
good for tournaments, and so wehave a high level of purpose

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for our bags.
We have a reason that we are atthis point.
It's not just that Brandonlikes to have the best stuff.
I like to collect bags.
Now you do.
You've always yelled at me forhow many bags I have.
I'm like this is one of thosemoments where, like you're

(15:03):
surprised that you've learnedsomething about somebody that
you haven't.
You know I'm not collectingbags.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
I'm just collecting the discs that go in the bags,
but I need somewhere moreeffective to hold those discs so
that I can actually take themout and throw them anyways.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Um, I want to give a shout out to carbella bags.
She makes bags for women andshe is a recreational player.
She has beautiful stuff.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Check her out check her out, yeah.
So, yeah, you can.
You can use any kind of bag yougot kind of laying around the
house.
I mean, if it, if it servesyour needs, it serves your needs
.
But we're talking about actualdisc golf bags, uh, in this
episode that are made for discgolf and one thing to consider
is you want to consider thestorage capacity if you're going

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to be carrying multiple discs.
So small bags typically carrybetween eight and 12 discs.
They are very good for casualrounds, very good for beginners,
people with a limited amount ofdiscs.
If you're just going out andgetting your feet wet With a
limited amount of discs, ifyou're just going out and
getting your feet wet, they arefantastic for that.
There's some medium bags outthere.
They are Larger capacity 15 to20 discs and you can use them

(16:14):
for most players, mostsituations.
I see a lot of competitiveplayers with these bags and also
beginners.
If you don't want to carry theBig heavy backpack around and,
you know, wreck your shouldersor your, your back or anything,
these might be a good option foryou.
Uh, jenny, you use your smallerbag, your medium-sized bag, for

(16:36):
practice rounds and such bags,and so I have the largest
capacity, one which I think islike an AX.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I could be wrong, maybe I don't know, it's
something like that.
I think it's an A series bag.
I have a B series bag which issmaller, has less capacity for
discs and less capacity forextra stuff, and then I have one
of the C series bags which iskind of like a little um, uh,
cross bag, cross body bag, ohthe interesting shoulder thing.

(17:12):
Yeah, that I I typically use umwhen I'm really feeling like
just taking putters or justreally focusing on having like
little stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah yeah, well, like .
And then, like you were saying,you have the large-size bags
which typically hold 20-plusdiscs, and that's most likely
what a serious competitiveplayer will play with, because
they need to carry multiplecopies of their discs and may
pack a lot of different molds,and so that's very useful for a
competitive player.

(17:44):
So just an analogy is likedepending on your skill level
and what you're doing with it,your bag size will increase or
decrease, and you also want tomake sure that you have plenty
of room for that additionalstorage, so pockets for
accessories such as mini markers, scorecards, range, range
finders, etc.
And then water bottle holdersare very, very important, and my

(18:08):
litmus test for water bottleholders is can I fit a Nalgene
bottle into the water bottleholder?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, so I wanted to go back on that and talk about
what we actually have.
So both of us carry the AX6series for grip bags, grip EQ,
so we both have one of those, Ibelieve.
Or do we have the BX series?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
We have a large grip bag.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, we both have a large one.
And then I have the oh, it's aG2 series, that's the shoulder
bag.
Yeah, it's a g2 series, that'sthe shoulder bag.
Yeah, is a g2 series.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
well, and the kids have various different ones.
Like james has my oldparatrooper from dynamic discs,
the other kids have some satchelbags.
We have one from above groundlevel.
We have, uh, an mvp bag.
I have a small bag that I usejust for pickup rounds and
things of that nature.
So, uh, we have.
We have a lot of different bagsand we all use them for

(19:09):
different things, for sure andthen we have carts too and carts
.
Well, we'll get to that, yeah.
So yeah, um, like I said, thelitmus test kind of for water
bottle holders is make sure theyhold whatever kind of water
bottle you are favoring thesedays.
We're big nalgene bottle fans,so we carry.
We make sure they hold whateverkind of water bottle you are
favoring these days.
We're big nalgene bottle fans,so we carry.
We make sure that the cupholders can carry nalgene

(19:30):
bottles.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yetis, uh, the big thermoses like you have for, uh,
tea and coffee and things oncold days very handy and useful
well, like james has one of theones that it goes around your
waist and it attaches to yourthigh just a little holster
because he really wanted to usea.

(19:52):
What are they called?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
A camelback, the camelback yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
He really wanted to use that because where we play
you're basically going on a hikepretty much everywhere we play,
so you have to prepare forhiking and disc golf.
So we have to take larger bagsbecause we need the water.
Sometimes we actually need bearspray, things like that.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yep.
And of course you want to havethose extra compartments for
your snacks, your gloves, youraccessories and your peripherals
, which we will definitely getinto a deep dive on that later.
The next consideration whenyou're looking at a bag is the
comfort and the fit of the bag.
There's a lot of bag optionsout there.
Like Jenny was saying, you canhave the across the shoulder bag

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that can have a strap, or itcan have some sort of pad or
something so it doesn't rub yourshoulder raw.
There are backpacks that havedifferent levels of padding in
the shoulders.
Some of them have a waist strap, Some of them have a chest
strap, so you can really battenthose guys down if you're
carrying a heavy load or ifyou're caddying for somebody.

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That's another consideration.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, and that's definitely where hiking bags
come into play.
Is that being aware of havingthat chest strap?
And they usually have someextra sewn loops on the bag for
you to clip If you are going touse a bladder for water, are you

(21:23):
holding on to something else?
So, yeah, um, be aware of theactual dynamics of of the strap
of your bag well, and anotherthing, another thing to consider
too when it comes to comfort isventilation.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
A lot of these, a lot of these places.
You know we're playing in thesummer, it's a hot day, like 90
degrees out.
You're sweating, sweating,sweating.
You're gonna lose all thatwater.
I know, know that grip bagshave a bit of a ventilative
system on the back of them.
Some of the other big timebrands do too, and the ultimate

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ventilation is not using a bagat all and using a cart, but
making sure that when you sweat,that you can breathe and dry
off and stay cool off, becauseit will get hot underneath that
bag.
And we got into a little bit.
But you want to evaluate thestraps and padding.
I personally like a thickerstrap that has a lot of padding

(22:18):
on it, so that you know, becauseI my bag is super heavy.
Jenny doesn't like carrying mybag when I play with a bag and
it rubs into your shoulders.
And if you have a longtournament it can rub your
shoulders pretty raw and get upon your neck a little bit and
everything.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
I do also want to say that Jenny doesn't like
carrying your bag, because Jennyhas rods in her back and she
can only carry her bag for solong.
That's also true.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
So you have to consider the different
considerations for everybody, Imean.
But there is a bag out therefor everybody.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah.
Something else I wanted to sayis that if you go into your
local disc golf store, if youhave your water bottle with you,
take it.
Be like hey, I'm gonna checkand make sure that it fits in
these things.
We actually worked with mattand matt had some nalgene size
water bottles that we tried likewe, because these these bags

(23:17):
cost a lot of money.
If you're gonna buy a nice one,like you, you find out what's
really important.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
You need to actually take the time, be like okay, I'm
gonna make sure that it fitsthis this, this, and as long as
it fits what you need, then it'sworth making that commitment to
spend a couple hundred bucks onthis bag yeah, and I I
definitely recommend buying thebest thing that you can afford,
because buying, buying somethingcheap that's not going to fit

(23:44):
your needs is just throwing awaymoney because you're just going
to become frustrated with itand want to discard it or give
it away later, and so inanything, I would always
recommend the best thing thatyou can afford and definitely
watch your budget and, you know,spend finances.
Uh, watch your budget and spendfinances responsibly.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, and I also want to advocate for grip bags.
The satchel style bag that Igot, the strap was coming apart,
and so I reached out to themand they're like oh, actually we
just upgraded the model of thestrap, so we're going to send
you a brand new strap.
So you know, you want to makesure that, if you're putting

(24:28):
that kind of money into a, yourequipment, check and see what
the warranties are on them too,because there's, you know, I
think grip has a pretty goodwarranty and it was great that
they just were like hey, yeah,we saw there was a problem too.
So here's a brand new strap,Completely different redesign.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
And that's a fantastic point.
Right there is that check onthe customer satisfaction and
the customer support, becausethere's a lot of places out
there not only with disc golfbut with a lot of places you
call up customer support and ittakes you three keys and a call
to a president to finally getsomething to happen.
Support and it takes you threekeys and a call to a president

(25:07):
to finally get something tohappen.
And well, uh, didn't have thatexperience with grip bags.
I know we're talking about alot about grip bags.
I need to put out a disclaimerout there that we're not
sponsored or there's no economicties or anything to them.
We just really like their bagsand they're functional for what
we do but grip if you'relistening.
We do like your, but grip ifyou're listening we do like your
stuff, grip equipment, ifyou're listening we do like your

(25:29):
stuff.
If you're listening.
If you are listening.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
This is Seth Muncy for disc golf strong.
Thank you for listening to theintentional disc golfer podcast.
Great to have here.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Oh yeah, seth Muncy, that was a great interview.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, yeah, I like Seth, he's good peoples.
So, uh, a few other thingsconsiderations when you're
picking out a bag, uh,durability is definitely a big
issue.
If you're going to be using ita lot, if you're going to be out
in the weather, you'redefinitely want to have
something that uh A is going tobe a little bit waterproof or
water resistant, have some sortof water wicking and or

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something that's not going toget super heavy when it's wet.
So I look at some of theseleather bags.
Is that pound that makes theleather bags?
Or who makes the leather bags?
There's these really nicequilted leather bags out there
and everyone, oh my God, theleather bags.
I bet if it's raining, thosethings weigh a million pounds,
because I know from working, uh,leather tool bags, when they

(26:31):
get wet they weigh a millionpounds and it cannot be pleasant
.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I don't know.
Uh, most of the people I knowand we don't play with our.
Well, I don't play with my bagenough, but most people I know
they actually get a rain fly fortheir bag.
I had one for my hiking bag.
I've never bought one for mydisc golf bag.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
And that's another thing we should mention too is
what kind of accessories areavailable for your bag.
Are there rain flies available?
Are there add-ons availablethat can help expand your
storage capacity?
Or how about?
Does it have a putter pouch?
Does it have dividers in it?
These are all differentconsiderations that you can make
when you're buying a bag.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah.
Does it have a spot for yourmini?
Does it have a place for you toattach your keys?
Does it have a place for you toput your Sharpie?
That you need?
Are you able to attach anumbrella or your disc grabber?
Or do you want to get the?
What's the thing that's underyour gray bag?
Oh, the Mojo.
Yeah, get the Mojo riser.

(27:34):
The bag stands or is sittingreally important to you?
Do you need to buy one of thosebags that's got the built-in
seat that?

Speaker 3 (27:41):
you can sit on it.
There's some of those.
Yeah Well, wasn't it Squatchthat had the coolers, the
built-in coolers?
Maybe, when you could put, likea soda can or something.
Maybe, Wink, wink soda can.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, one of the guys we playedwith at Team Golf two weeks ago
had a lot of soda.
I'm not even talking about that.
We had one of the bags that youcould sit on oh yeah, those are
cool.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
They're expensive though they're all expensive for
a backpack.
Yeah, you get what you pay forto some certain extent, and I do
want to draw out this point too.
Make sure you can get easyaccess to your discs.
The first backpack that I had,I could not get my discs out of

(28:30):
it when I wanted to, and that'sone of the reasons that I went
to the grip bag is because Icould get my disc out, put it
back in.
It wasn't an issue, and thatwould probably go into the
comfort category too, becauseease of use is very important.
Let's discuss having a cartversus a bag, so there's

(28:51):
different purposes for each.
Carts definitely hold more andon certain types of situations,
carts are very, very useful andvery nice.
Jenny and I both have a cart.
Thank you, raffle winner, cartthing.
And then Jenny got a cart forChristmas, with an excellent bag
, by the way.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Jenny got a cart with her winnings from the Evergreen
Women's Series from her firstyear.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Okay, fine, it was for Christmas, though.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes, you picked out my cart instead of me.
For Christmas yes, so the cartthat was for christmas yes so
the the cart that was picked outfor me is not the cart that I
would have chosen for myself,but it's pink, so you can't go
wrong with pink.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
So if you're one of us, uh, we, we kind of have a
mixed bag up here in washington.
We have a lot of up and down,hilly, rough terrain courses and
we have a lot of flat, nice,smooth courses that we could
really use both facets of thecarrying mechanisms for the.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yep, so some, and UDisc will tell you whether the
course is cart friendly or not.
So some of the courses aroundhere are not cart friendly, so
we need to have our bag.
Some of the places around hereare not cart friendly, so we
need to have our bag.
Some of the places, likeSilicum, it's cart friendly up
until two holes, and so you kindof have to park your cart and

(30:15):
it depends if you have a Zukacart or if you have one of the
Rovics or if you have a stroller, a baby stroller that you've
modified a lot of people usebaby strollers, yeah I had.
I kept my bob stroller from whenI had kids like I would be
using that.
I wouldn't be using this.
So it's.

(30:35):
It depends on what you need,what your body needs and what
the courses are around you.
Depends on if you're going tohave one of the like the
three-wheeled carts like therovics, or if you're going to
have the.
There's three-wheeled cartslike the Rovix, or if you're
going to have the.
There's the R2s, there's theZuccas.
Ridge Rider yeah, the RidgeRiders.
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Ridge Rollers, ridge Rollers I think they are, I
don't know.
Riki Waisaki uses it.
Yeah, make sure that the coreset you're playing is
cart-friendly, otherwise it'sgoing to be a real pain in the
neck hauling that cart around.
And also, carts are handy forextra storage.
You can hold more discs.
That's a big bonus, especiallyfor competitive players that
need a lot of different discsand for extra storage for those

(31:16):
snacks and peripherals thatwe're going to talk about later,
even clothes and bringing extralayers with you.
You also they're good forpeople that have shoulder pain
and back pain, because you canget additions to your carts that
keep you from bending over.
You can just reach in like thepower pocket.
We both have one of those.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
those are really nice well, the reason that I got a
cart, or wanted one, was to getthe bag off my back so that I
could use my back for playingthe game instead of just hauling
the bag.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, for sure, they are a back saver.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I have noticed, though, that it still hurts,
because I have to either pull orpush my Zika cart, and it's not
like the three wheeled oneswhere it's the grab the, the
force is all on the wheels andyou're just pushing like a
stroller, like there's not a lotof oh, like one of the Roviks.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, the Roviks are like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, the
reason, the reason that I got acart was because there's not a
lot of benches or the benchesare wet or whatever, and I like
to sit down every now and again,especially if there's a backup
or if there's a long round.
Carts are especially useful forlong rounds and long
tournaments, because you canbasically live out of them and

(32:38):
have all your things with you.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
They're also really good if you're using children as
your caddy, because then theyhave a place to sit and they can
bring all of their stuff too.
Older children, older children,Teenagers.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Well, I've stuffed stuff in your, I've put stuff in
your cart.
Stuffed stuff, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I usually have.
I keep one half of my cart formy caddy with whatever they need
there you go.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
That also accommodates caddies and some of
the different considerationsfor carts.
Like Jenny was saying, theyhave the ones that have the
three wheels that take all ofthe force and all of the load
and you just kind of push themaround.
The Zuka carts have thetwo-wheel system with.
I recommend the larger wheelsbecause the larger wheels are
good for rougher terrain andgoing over tree stumps and rocks

(33:28):
and different things of thatnature.
The smaller wheels, those areprobably great for like pavement
and like ball golf course typecourses, but they're not
necessarily like universallyadequate for other courses as
like the big wheel, the bigwheel, these Zooka carts.

(33:50):
So other considerations whenlooking at carts uh, definitely
the storage.
They hold a lot more.
But some carts have thebuilt-in seats.
Some carts negate the seatsthey have.
They flip up tops where you canaccess the backpack and you can
just throw your backpack inthere.
There's a lot of differentstyles of carts.
Some of them have dividers andetc, etc.
You can pretty much cut, youcan pretty much customize your

(34:13):
cart or your bag any way youlike it, and I know there's a
number of places that do custombags out there.
So wasn't it pound that had thecustom color scheme and you can
pick out your colors andwhatnot and have it ship.
Have them ship it to you yeah, Ithink so yeah, I think I think

(34:35):
it was pound, I'm not sure.
Don't quote me on that.
When you're, when you'reselecting a cart, you also want
to consider that it'sfoldability and its storage.
How, how much space does ittake up?
Can it fit in your car?
Can it collapse down?
A lot of people don't have verybig cars, especially people
that live in the cities.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, that was one of the things.
Kayla had us watch her bag theother day because she had to
take her whole cart apartbecause of the lack of storage
space in the car that she hadthat day.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Wasn't she driving a Prius?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, she had her husband's car.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
When you're selecting a bag or a cart.
Money is always going to be athing.
Basic bags start out around $15, like James' little holster
thing that goes on his leg, thelittle satchel pack that I have.
They start out around $15.
They go up to about $20, $25.
I've even seen some of thelarger satchel bags go up to $45

(35:28):
and $50.
Some of the mid-range bags theyoffer some more durability,
some more comfortability andhave a decent disc capacity.
You can find a decent onebetween $50 and $120 usually.
And then you go up to your highend premium bags that have the
maximum storage and are builtmore around the competitive

(35:51):
player and those start in the120 range and can go all the way
up to the 250 plus range.
I've seen bags out there thatare four, five hundred dollars,
like the quilted leather bagsthat I was talking about, and
then you go into, like thecustom-made bags, which can get
into the eight, nine hundreddollar range, truthfully.

(36:12):
So it's all just a matter ofhow much you're going to use it,
how much you're willing tospend and what you're really
looking for.
I would definitely make a list,go out and field test some
things and figure out whatexactly your needs are, so that
you can buy something that'sappropriate for your needs.
Now we've talked about Grip EQa lot.

(36:34):
There's some other popularbrands out there, so Upper Park
Disc Golf they make a reallynice bag.
I had a Paratrooper fromDynamic Discs.
They're pretty good.
Mvp has a line of bags.
Innova has a line of bags good,mvp has a line of bags.
Innova has a line of bags.
Pound disc golf has a lot ofbags and, uh, as far as carts go
, there's zuka rovic.
Ridge rollers are like the bigones.

(36:56):
The reason that ridge rollersare so expensive is because it's
one guy makes them and handwelds and hand powder coats
everything and they're all madeone at a time, exactly to your
specifications.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
They're really nice cards so to add a few more
latitude, has a set of bags toolatitude's got a set of bags
there's some cool little kidones.
I think that they're calledlike juice boxes.
So if you're looking for onesto have your kids carry, I
believe they're called juiceboxes.
That's pretty cool.
If you are interested in somethat are women supporting women.

(37:32):
Carbella Designs has some.
I'm not sure if Throw Pink hastheir own set of bags, but
they're a well-known group aswell.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
For sure, for sure, but pretty much every major
manufacturer out there will havea bag or have their name
embroidered on a bag somewhere.
It's just.
It's just a matter of going out, working with different bags,
asking people, checking outcustomer reviews and finding
something that's going to fityour specific needs the best.
Okay, so now that we've talkedabout the bags themselves, let's

(38:10):
talk about actually puttingdiscs in your bags.
Right, because that's whatthey're for, since when your
goals as a player and your styleas a player really matter as to
how you're going to structureyour bag and a few things for
casual rounds versus competitiveplay, how you structure your

(38:31):
bag for casual play is youshould focus on versatility,
limit your disc selection.
So usually you have a smallerbag like a satchel bag.
I carry my satchel bag aroundwith me.
I've got maybe five differentputters in there.
I have one, I think I have onemid-range that I use for
everything, and then I have onedistance driver that I use for

(38:55):
the long, long shots or sidearmshots.
But it's very versatile discsthat wear a lot of hats that I
can do a lot of different thingswith, and it really, really
keeps me kind of creative,because I have to do a lot more
with a lot less, and I caneasily pull a few discs out and

(39:16):
pull it, put a few discs in andadjust it for whatever course
that we're playing or wherever Imight be close to that day yeah
, and it's nice to have one ofthose little satchel bags that
carries like three to five discsin a water bottle if you ever
go out and do like one of thethree disc challenges or the
glow disc challenges or anythinglike that.

(39:39):
Yeah, I'm kind of keen onJames's little holster thing.
It holds like maybe four orfive discs and he just right
there on his leg and he's like,oh, I need this one yeah, I
don't like having stuff on mylegs like you.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Can you have a towel attached to you?
I don't like doing that.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Having that attached to me when I try and throw it,
it throws me off so, like on myturnip bag, I have a bunch of
different towels in case onegets saturated or dirty or
something.
But on my casual bag, my littlesatchel bag, I only carry one
with me.
And also you want to make surethat maybe your casual, your
casual player uh bag, it's moreabout going out there having fun

(40:20):
throwing around with yourbuddies or your wife, because my
wife is my best friend.
She's giving me the death glare, but you may.
You want to make it lightweightand comfortable.
You're definitely not going tocarry your full gamut of discs
and your entire catalog of discselection and shot selection and

(40:42):
I like to make sure that thisbag has plenty of room for fun
stuff like snacks and soda, andmake sure that it's got, uh like
, a nice strap on it so it's notrubbing my shoulder route.
But for a casual player youmight only be out there for a
round or two, so that's notreally.
You know, having heavy paddingon your shoulder strap isn't

(41:03):
going to be as much of a concern.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
You keep mentioning having soda on the course.
I have never seen you have asoda on the course.
Yes, we will stop for Starbucks, but there really isn't an
attachment for a bag that helpsyou carry a Starbucks cup that
doesn't then lose the lid orspill or whatever.

(41:26):
I haven't found that perfectthing for that.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Well, I really don't drink a whole lot of soda, but
there's a lot of people outthere that do so.
I'm just trying to make surethat our listener and our fan
base are taken care of out there.
Yeah, this is for you guys outthere in listener land.
I'm looking out for you.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
And you also, when we started, you would carry the
same bag.
That's your tournament bag.
You didn't have.
It's only within the last yearthat you've created these
separate bags that you take withyou.
So even your advice of havingthe maybe not your full set of
discs well, maybe you do, and soyou just have that one utility

(42:14):
bag, that work it's doing doubleduty for you and you're working
really hard with that bag andtrying to figure out what you're
doing with your 20-somethingplus discs that you carry with
you.
There was some I rememberreading on one of the social
media sites some guy wascarrying around like 52 discs
and he was using one of thosebig practice bag, the long disc

(42:38):
holding the duffel bag andthat's what he would carry
around with him and that's whathe uses, goodness.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, I wouldn't do that, do that.
I wouldn't do that either.
And you are right, when I firststarted out, I carried all my
discs with me all the time in my, in my tournament bag, the same
bag that I went out and playedrecreational rounds with, or the
same bag that I went and didtournaments with, and I didn't
really swap discs out.
I didn't have a whole lot ofputters in there at the time,
honestly, but I was, that was inthe process of learning those

(43:11):
discs and getting good withthose discs, and so there, there
is a rhyme and reason to that,and it's also before I knew any
better and decided to expand myhorizons.
As far as playing with differentdiscs and different brands go,
I grew up with Innova, I startedon Innova, so my bag is about
90% Innova and just becausethat's what feels good to my

(43:34):
hand and that's what I'm used to, and so I was very brand
specific and now I play with awhole bunch of different brands.
So I have several differentbags that are dedicated to
different brands, and I havealso my mess around bag that has
like the seven to 10 discs init for just pickup rounds and if

(43:55):
I'm close to a course, and justno need to throw a field.
Some field practice for 10minutes or so I can go out there
and do that.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I'm more of the persuasion of have like five or
six discs that you learn tothrow really, really well, and
so you have multiples of thosediscs and that's what you throw
oh yeah, all the time.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
oh yeah, and we're going to be discussing that in
depth a little later on in thisepisode.
Now, how, how should youstructure your bag for, say,
competitive play?
So, for competitive play, Ionly put field tested and proven
discs in there, things that Ihave thrown a million times.
I know what they do, I've goneout and field tested them, I

(44:36):
measured them and I make surethat all of those discs in there
, I know exactly what they doand I'm comfortable with them.
There's an old saying out theresay never take unproven
equipment into battle with you,and so I'm sure our listeners
out there have ran into asituation where they've got a
new thing or whatever, and orthey get the uh, they get the,

(44:59):
the free disc out of theplayer's pack and, oh, I'm gonna
throw it and it doesn't doanything, or behave any way that
they think it's gonna throw itand it doesn't do anything, or
behave any way that they thinkit's going to behave and they
end up dropping shots or somebad outcome happens.
I would not do that.
Uh, for my, for my competitivebag, everything's going to be
tested, everything's going to beproven, and it's all this that

(45:20):
I'm going to be confident in andthey're going to feel second
nature to my hand.
And, like Jenny was saying,carry backups of your discs,
especially your favorite discs.
So I throw a zone.
I call it the magic zone.
It's a certain type of plastic,it's a certain mold, and
anytime I see that plastic inthat mold, because I'm worried

(45:42):
that they might discontinue itone day, I pick another one up
because if I ever lost that discI'd be really, I'd be really
bad shape.
I literally use that for almostall of my approach shots.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, so for my tournament bag, I've started.
If it's the disc that I knowthat I need to be successful, I
will have at least one backup,potentially two, depending on
the course or where we're going.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Well, and then a few more sitting at home too.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Well, I try not to have that many, but we've
somehow accumulated a few.
Well, it's good to have a couplelike sitting at home, because
take, for example, like you'replaying the late round and you
lose a disc, and then you havethe early round next morning for
a tournament and the disc golfshop isn't open yeah, the other
thing I've started doing is I'mto the point where, if I'm going

(46:34):
to be purchasing a new discthat I think is truly going to
be in the bag and that important, I buy two of them right then,
and there as close to the samecolor as possible, just so that
it's the same.
It's the same run, the sameplastic, the same stamp, the

(46:54):
same color.
Like, if I know it's going tobe that one, I get it and,
surprisingly enough, my Merlotcolored mantra that I bought two
of.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I don't know how.
The last one.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I still have both of them.
I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Yeah, I don't get it.
Yeah, I have both of them.
I know you have both of themand it peeves me a little bit
because I don't know how youhaven't lost them yet.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Well, and I have one that's like pink with the same
stamp, but it doesn't throw thesame because it's a different
plastic.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Oh, okay, it's domier than the oh, so it's maybe a
little bit of a different mold,huh.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Oh, that makes more sense.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Now that I think about it, I have six mantras.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Mm-hmm.
But, I also heard Bex throws amantra oh cool yeah.
Well, I also heard Bex throws amantra oh cool yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well, shout out to Bex.
Hi Bex, hi Bex, bexasaurus Rex,yep, yep.
So no, it's Disc GolfasaurusBex.
No, I'm slaughtering this, it'sbad.
But, like Jenny was saying, ismy lesser used discs I will
always carry at least one backupof, because I might throw that

(48:07):
disc maybe once, twice, duringthe entire tournament.
But if that disc is not in mybag for some reason, I would be
up a crick, and not a good oneeither.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
So it's like your, uh , ninja turtles leopard, like
you only have that one, oh yeah,and you've lost it like three
times yeah, it's come back to me.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
It's meant to be yeah , yeah, but I do.
I do pack an extra leopard, Ipack an extra mako, because you
know it's that one shot.
And if I don't have that oneshot, what am I gonna do?
I mean, there are they're allalternatives, but there's easier
ways to do things if you havethe right equipment.
And on top of that, for acompetitive play, you also have

(48:49):
to consider nutrition andhydration.
I usually recommend snacks thathave fast-acting high glucose,
so things like fruit, oranges,maybe a little bit of candy.
There's also some sport drinksor something out there that have
a little bit of sugar in them,but something that can get into
your bloodstream fast andreplace the glycogen in your

(49:12):
muscles.
So when your muscles arefeeling fatigued and you're not
able to produce that power likeyou used to, that's because
you're running out of yourglycogen stores and you need to
replenish those.
We usually try to get a snackor something when we're really
on top of it.
About what?
Every three or four holes,jenny.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, we started to eat a snack every three to four
holes just to keep our bloodsugars up and just to kind of
stabilize.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Yeah, and another thing is golf is a sport of
patience.
It's a sport of concentrationand focus.
So it is also recommended thatyou try to avoid caffeine if you
can.
Caffeine doesn't do anythingfor you, except for raise your
heart rate, and when you raiseyour heart rate, all sorts of
other bad things happen andyou'll get the jitters, you

(50:05):
won't be able to concentrate,you start becoming really hyper
and it will affect your game.
So we recommend trying to avoidcaffeine and when you're
designing or I shouldn't saydesigning, I should say
considering your snacks for yourbag, something that's also
recommended is something withprotein or amino acids in it,

(50:26):
because that will help yourendurance and keep your.
It'll help ward off fatigue iswhat I'm trying to say yeah and
uh, we joke about that.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
When you are the last person on the card, that that
means it's snack time.
Um, so usually when I see ohman, I just lost the box or
whatever it's like, I need toeat something.
If I'm having a couple shotsthat are not on par to what I'm
used to, that's when I usuallyknow I need to go eat something.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
So being at the back of the box is your indicator for
when you need to have a snack.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
It's more of just kind of a joke that came up
between me and some of the otherplayers I think I know
Melissa's a teacher and we werelike, oh, snack time.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
But it seems like you've put it to good use,
you've given it a purpose, sothat's good.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Sometimes the caffeine hits youin a different way.
However, if you're used tohaving that amount of caffeine
on a regular day, like don't allof a sudden decide not to take
your caffeine with you.
Because, like don't all of asudden decide not to take your
caffeine with you because, likeyou said, I use my yetis for
I'll carry tea, I will carrycoffee, especially with it being

(51:37):
cold right now.
Like that's the only way I canstay going and stay warm well,
there you're right.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
There is the opposite end of that is that if you're
used to caffeine and have acaffeine intake regimen that you
do on a regular, daily basis,cutting it out for that day,
trying to stay calm or whatever,you'll actually crash and cause
the opposite problems.
You'll have headaches, you'llhave fatigue, you won't be able
to concentrate because you'retired.
All right.

(52:03):
And also, when you're puttingthis in your bag, you need to
consider your shot shaping needsversus the max distance, and so
when you're focusing on shotshaping versus uh power, you
want to focus on controllingangles, lines, landing zones,
rather than eating up rawdistance.
There are those scenarios whereyou want to eat up just

(52:25):
distance, and this is not it.
So some of the keycharacteristics of this are you
want to prioritize consistencyand accuracy, so very reliable,
proven discs that you knowexactly what they do.
You want to utilize a mix ofunderstable, stable and
overstable discs, so a wideversatility for different shot

(52:47):
shapes.
These discs typically willexcel in wooded courses,
technical holes andunpredictable conditions, so you
have a little bit of a tool foreverything there.
These require a lot morefinesse and a lot more control
to make sure that that disc isgoing to do what you want it to
do.
Now, when you're selectingdiscs for shot shaping, some

(53:10):
neutral mid-ranges and puttersare a good thing to have.
Those are great for straightshots.
They have very minimalfinishing characteristics.
Some examples would be like,say, a disc craft buzz or a MVP
hex is another very, verypopular one.
You want to make sure you havesome understable fairways for

(53:33):
turnovers, highs or flips.
Like Jenny said, I use aLeopard for those different
things.
Also, the Latitude 64 Riverseems to be a favorable disc for
those types of conditions, andsome overstable utility discs
for flex shots, headwindstability and different skip
type plays.
I use a Zone.
Nova Firebird is another one,and the people that benefit from

(53:57):
the control drivers and thecontrol versus distance are
people with limited arm speedsbut have a lot of finesse.
They can benefit from those atarm speeds but have a lot of
finesse.
They can.
They can benefit for those andpeople that are on tight
technical courses where you needto choose a landing spot or
there's tight fairways or youhave to hit a gap through some

(54:19):
trees and there's a lot ofplayers out there that will
benefit from this.
The creative players benefit alot from shot shaping and being
able to throw these differentshots.
Now, when you're considering maxdistance, there are those
situations where maybe controlisn't as much as a concern.
You have a big, wide, openfairway and you just need to eat

(54:40):
up some yards because it's, orsome feet because it's 600 feet,
par four or par three.
Some of nah that would be a parfour, par four or par three,
some of nah that would be a parfour.
But, like north bend has that500 foot par three that you have
to keep it in bounds.
But you gotta, you need to biteoff a big chunk of it if you're
gonna have a prayer at par.
Control isn't as much of aconcern and some of those high

(55:05):
speed drivers, such as the 11through 14, have uh, they have
the wide rim and they're alsooptimized for just those big,
long, wide, open shots and theyare more dependent on your arm
speed and your rotational power.
But there's a big sacrificewhen it comes to accuracy for

(55:26):
extra distance.
So some disc selections for maxdistance drivers.
Some of these are high speeddistance drivers.
They have a maximum rim width.
So a very popular one is aInnova Destroyer.
A lot of people bag a Destroyeror the Discraft Force.
And then there are someunderstable bombers which are

(55:48):
great for for tailwinds and highglide extra carry.
So the Innova Turn is a verygood one for that, and there's
also the Discmania DD3 isanother good one for that.
You want to have your bricks.
I call these the bricks.
The meat hooks, so stable tooverstable drivers are
controllable distance.

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So the Discmania Cloud breakeris a really nice one for that,
and also the disc craft zeus.
Uh also fills that slot verynicely I.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I just want to say, uh, this is a uh athletic man
who lifts weights, who istalking about his
recommendations.
Now I'm going to say for a lotof the women or the beginners,
or even the juniors, you may nothave a single overstable disc

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in your bag.
You may be throwing allunderstable discs and that is
fine, because that is where youare at.
Like, I only have someoverstable putters and I have an
overstable mid.
It's the trust that's all Ihave, because I still throw

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understable discs, because thatis what works for where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah, and these aren't necessarily my
recommendations.
There are several of these onthis list that I personally
would not bag.
However, these are the discsthat fill these particular slots
and typically would be used forthese types of things.
And Jenny is correct is thatyou need to use the disc that
fits your game, because if youcan't at least control it a

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little bit, then what's thepoint?
And, on that note, the peoplethat benefit from this are
definitely players that havemore advanced arm speeds and can
fully utilize those 11 and upspeeds and get into those
secondary flight characteristicsspeeds and get into those

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secondary flight characteristicsand they're more likely to be
used on courses that have fewerobstacles to get around, where
you don't have to hit as manygaps, you don't have to navigate
around uh different things ormaybe even go over water.
That would be good for that,and it's also good for players
that are capable of going forthat birdie or eagle opportunity
on some of those long par foursor par fives.

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Now, also, when you're stockingyour bag full of discs, you
have to consider the differencebetween a forehand and a
backhand dominant player.
Some backhand dominant playerswill typically generate spin
with wrist action and arm pullthrough and they typically
release, most commonly on ahyzer angle, natural hyzer angle

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and they have slower arm speedsbeforehand but they have more
controlled glide is acharacteristic to the throw and
more comfortable with flippy orneutral discs for turnover and
hyzer shots.
Like, say, the Leopard ispretty flippy and I can turn
that over and get that nice flexline or hyzer flip out of it on

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my backhand and that's what Iuse it for.
If I tried to use it for myforehand it would flip up and go
away.
It would get on the bus andleave Some of the better discs
for backhand players.
And again, these are justsuggestions.
They're not necessarily discsthat I recommend or have in my
bag.
This is just kind of a list.
So, understable to stable, theyare easy to turn and flip over.

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You got the Innova Turn.
You got the Latitude 64 River.
You have high glide discs whichwill maximize your efficiency
in distance.
So you have DiscmaniaCloudbreaker.
The MVP Wave is anotherfavorable one.
The controlled overstable discsfor wind resistance and flex
shots the Innova Wraith and theDisccraft Zuths are some of
those that fit those slots inthe distance driver and fairway

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driver range in your mid ranges.
Some great, some great this fortunnel shots are the discraft
buzz and the mvp hex, two verypopular discs.
I actually have a bag full ofbuzzes that I use on a regular
basis.
Some glidey under stable midsso you can get some finesse
shots and some easy turnovers.
The innova mako 3 I throwpersonally I'm gonna make a mako

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3 and, uh, love it.
The discraft comet is anothergood one.
And then putters.
There are some beadless puttersout there, so the under bead on
the bottom of the rim, thatthat is gone, and they're nice
for comfortable, smooth releases.
So the disc mania p2 is onethat I really like.
I I use the p2 in one of myside bags.

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And the dynamic disc judge Iknow that a lot of people favor
the judge.
And then you got to have yourthrowing putters for your
controlled approach shots.
So I enjoy throwing the mvp mv.
There's Axiom Proxy that worksvery well for that.
You can also throw the Zone inthere.
Or the Luna.
That's a pretty good one.
And then an example of like,say, a backhand dominant

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player's bag would have like aTurn, a Zeus, a Explorer, a
T-Bird, a Buzz, a Mako and thena Envy and a Luna for their
putters.
Now, when you're talking aboutforehand dominant players.
Some of the key places, keythings about forehand dominant
players to consider is you useyour wrist more for the spin and

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the arm whip for your speed.
So a little bit more velocityon that disc and it is very
natural for you to release thaton a flat to anhyzer angle,
which will require you to usemore overstable discs.
I use three discs for myoverstable discs.

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I use a Zone which is a 0.3.
I use a Firebird which is a 0.4.
And I've just recently startedusing the Racer, which is a
negative 1.2, but it's like a 13speed, it's a 12 speed, it's a
12 speed, so the speed kind ofhelps with the stability because
I'm not going to be able tothrow it that hard.

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It's also very important toavoid some of the more
understable discs when you're aforehand player because they
will create a lot of torque andhave a tendency to become
unstable and flip over andsacrifice distance and accuracy
as well.
As the other direction is youhave the more overstable discs.

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You want a disc that can handlea lot of torque because you're
going to be using your wrist toflick that disc and it's really
easy to get some of thatoff-axis torque.
So rotating the disc around theX angle and that fluttery
effect will sacrifice distanceand accuracy as well.
So something that's going tocorrect itself in flight is

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really good for forehands.
So some of the discs forforehand players.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I do want to say, though, that I still don't have
a very good forehand.
However, when I do throw anunderstable disc forehand, it
does okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Well, that's because you don't have the arm speed yet
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Oh, I know It'll never happen.
It's not going to happen Foryou.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
A forehand is a utility shot.
You can throw it 50 feetreliably.
It's a get out of jail freecard is what it is.
So some overstable discs.
They prevent the early turn andmaximize the control.
So the Innova Firebird Ipersonally bag one of those.
The Discraft Raptor I have oneof those and another one in my
bag, so I like both of those.
The Discraft Raptor I have oneof those and another one in my

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bag, so I like both of those.
Flat top drivers are easy togrip and easy to release.
So a Destroyer or a DiscraftForce the Racer from Innova is
very similar to the Destroyer,so I bag one of those.
And utility discs for flex shotsand forehand rollers.
So like the Discraft Flick orthe Axiom Fireball shots and

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forehand rollers.
So like the disc craft flick orthe axiom fireball.
Some mid-ranges, overstablemid-ranges.
They.
You need one that's going tohandle a lot of torque without
flipping over.
I know the disc craft malta andthe innova rock 3 are very good
sidearm mid-range discs.
And some low.
You want some low glide on yourmid-range discs to offer some
control over your distancebecause a lot of times you're

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going to be throwing these asapproach shots.
So the Castaplast has the Gote,the goat G-O-T-E and Axiom has
the Pyro.
So suggestions for this.
And then we move into putters.
Flat top and overstable puttersare ideal for forehand
approaches.
I use the disc craft zone a lotfor almost all of my approaches

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.
But in a subsequent bag I havea west side disc harp in there
and the harp is kind of a sisterdisc.
It's a little bit more flippythan the zone but it will resist
flipping over fairly well andand I can forearm it fairly well
.
I highly recommend it's alsonice for nice little anhyzer
flex shots.

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Also the harp and then the deeprim putters which are nice for
just giving a little toss or alittle flick and I usually
modify my grip for these.
But they're nice for sidearmapproach shots when you're in
close proximity to the basketand you have to go around an

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obstacle.
And one of the suggestions forthat is an AVR-X3 from Innova.
So a forehand dominant playerbag example would be a Discraft
Force and Innova Destroyer forthe drivers In Nova Firebird and
a Discraft Raptor for fairwaycontrol drivers.
You have a Discraft Malta and aRock 3 from a Nova for your

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mid-ranges.
For your putting you would havea Discraft Zone and a Nova AVR.
And then you want a balancedapproach if you're a hybrid
player, like I am, and needmultiple discs for so, for
multiple things.
So I will have a set of discsthat I only use for forehand in
my bag and I will have a set ofdiscs that I only throw backhand

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in my bag, and there's a fewdiscs in there that I'll throw
both ways.
But I know for certain that Ican throw these discs forehand
and I cannot throw these discsforehand because the bad things
will happen.
So there's, you have to reallytest out and play with it and
figure out what's happening inyour in your bag.
There.

(01:06:21):
Now that we've talked about yourthrowing style, we need to
consider the type of the coursethat we're going to play.
So there are pretty much twodifferent types of courses out
there.
There are big, open golfcourses that are like big, big,
wide open fairways, a lot ofmanmade hazards, and then there

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are tight wooded courses, whichis a lot of like what we have
around here in westernWashington is technical, tight
courses where you have to hitgaps, shape shots and miss a lot
of trees.
So some things to consider forthese open courses is open
courses do have stronger windsthat will affect your flight

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stability.
So knowing what your disc doesin the wind is very advantageous
.
They will have longer, widerfairways, so you might want to
pack some of those maximumdistance drivers, so some of
those 11 to 14 speeds and up,and a lot of times they'll have
minimal obstacles, using thingslike out of bounds elevation,

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water and just the sheerdistance of the course to be
able to create those uh,challenging conditions.
And typically open courses willhave more emphasis on hyzer
lines and flex shots.
So those long those either dotit right into the center of the
fairway or the long, glidey flexshots that can go for a million

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miles.
So a few throwing strategies touse when you're out there on
the open courses is you want tohave power hyzers and flex shots
in your bag for reliableflights, even when you're in the
wind.
You want to have some discs inthere for skip shots, long
approaches, so overstable discswill work well for this, as they

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have predictable landings.
You also want to have somethingin there for distance
maximization, so your higherspeed discs that are less
controllable, but more aboutjust pushing those long, long
distances.
Now we want to move on to thewooded courses and when you're
considering packing your bag forwooded courses, you want to.
You're looking at tight gapsthat need pinpoint, very finesse

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, accuracy, low ceilings and youneed some demanding controlled
flight, and ground play is evena factor.
You need to be able to shapeshots like turnovers, hyzer
flips, flex shots, hyzer bombs,different types of technical
shots, and they are not at allabout raw distance, they are

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about control, control, control,control.
So being able to throw thosereally finessey shots right down
the tunnel shots the worstthing in disc golf is the dead
straight shot you want to usethrowing strategies like hyzer
flips and turnovers so you canget max control and those will
also have very little fade andthey will not be as wide in

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breath.
As far as being able to go downthose tight technical fairways,
you want to use low speedcontrol releases a lot of touch
shots and reduce the errormargins.
They help reduce the errormargins for tree kicks.
So when you hit a tree you wantit to pop off and go off to a
side or drop straight down.

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You don't want it to go crazyoff over there into the next
hole, into a ravine somewhere,into a ravine somewhere and a
lot of straight flying.
Low, low glide does prevent youfrom flipping things over and
or going too far when you'rethrowing, uh, throwing at the
basket or throwing your shot.

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So a lot of woods golfers willplay with a lot of putters and
use putters and mid-ranges andthat's, that's a lot.
Now, a lot of modern courseshave a little mix of both.
So you're going to want tocarry a good mix of these
different discs.
I would take a good mix ofoverstable and unstable discs,

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uh, and make sure I have acouple considerations in there
for wind elevation.
I also want to adjust my disclineup according to what the
specific course is that I'mgoing to play.
Usually when I adjust my bag, Iput maybe one or two out of
there in there, or take one ortwo out, and that just depends,
of course, familiarity and whatI want to do.

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And sometimes I'll take a fewout of there on purpose to make
sure that I don't throw them onsome stupid whim.
And then you need to practicewith straight, nice flyers like
a Buzz or a T-Bird, becausethey'll work on any course.
So a lot of versatility, beingable to use fewer discs in a lot

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more different ways.
That's some considerations whenyou're trying to construct a
bag for different playing styles, such as sidearm, backhand,
woods courses, open courses andsome different considerations
for each of those.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
All right, I get to go over some key terms and
concepts with you guys.
Yay for vocab.
So we have four types of discsthat we're going to go over.
So, distance drivers I don'thave a single distance driver in
my bag period because I don'thave the arm speed.

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So a distance driver istypically speeds of 11 to 15.
They're harder to control to 15.
They're harder to control.
They typically have a thinnerprofile on the disc for less
aerodynamic drag.
They will have a larger fade atthe end of flight as they will
return to the ground quickly.

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We would say that these are forthe larger, wide, open areas
where accuracy is of lessconcern.
Brandon has high speed driversthat he can throw a million
miles but it doesn't matter ifhe hits a tree.
So these are the discs that hewould use, say, in the really
big open areas where there's nota tree in sight and he gets

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that opportunity to go thatdistance.
Fairway drivers I have fairwaydrivers in my bag because that's
what I can throw, is about anine speed is about the highest
I can go.
They are typically speeds ofsix to ten.
As a fairway driver they flystraighter, they will not return
to the ground as quickly andthey possess a smoother finish,

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which means they're not going tocome back as quickly.
They're best for long,controllable shots where
accuracy is important.
So think about some of thosetunnel shots or if you've got a
pretty reliable curve that youneed to go around.
The fairway drivers are more fordistance and control rather

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than just throwing a millionmiles and hoping it lands in the
fairway somewhere and it's alsothe typically the type of
driver that a beginner, orpotentially a a lady, might have
because of their arm speed orif, say, you're recovering from
an injury, you might throw morefairway drivers than distance

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drivers.
They have ideal numbers forshaping lines.
So again, doing those turnovershots, doing those hyzers,
having that reliable angle too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Yeah, they'll hold an angle.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
All right, mid-ranges , they'll hold an angle.
All right.
Mid ranges, uh, we have so athree.
Speed can either be a mid rangeor an approaching putt.
So the mid ranges are typicallyspeeds of three to five.
I've always kind of seen thembe like up into the six and
seven, sometimes two, so it kindof depends, but they're

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typically up to a five and thathas a lot more to do with the
profile of the disc than theactual speed of it.
So a fairway driver and adistance driver are more.
They have that thinner profileso that they have less drag.
They're more aerodynamic.
Where a mid range starts tohave some of that thicker rim

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and a lot of times you'll see ithas a I'm thinking of my
mid-ranges like it has thatlittle extra down below it.
So a driver is pretty sharp, amid-range has some chunk to it
and then a putter is prettythick.
So mid-ranges have that, youknow, little extra chunk to it.

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So when you're it helps itmaintain its stability.
So they will fly evenstraighter.
They will have less finish asthey glide to the ground.
They will not fly as far asdrivers.
However, if you're a beginner oryou have a lower arm speed for
throwing your discs, you mayfind that your mid rangesranges

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you're able to control and theywill fly farther than your
drivers.
They are best for technical andspecialty shots that require a
large degree of control.
That is your workhorse midsversus your specialty mids.
So I have my sole.
I would say that is myworkhorse mid because it is the

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one that I can throw straightand I can also do a reliable
turnover with it.
So it's it's a workhorsebecause I throw it a lot and it
also has some specialty shots.
My trust, I would call, is myspecialty shot because I use
that for my hyzer.
Anything you want to say onthat.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Well, like for my bag , I use, uh.
Well, for mid range of,specifically, I use a uh, a MIDI
, uh from lone star discs.
I really liked the MIDI.
Lately I've been flipping it upand throwing it a long way so
I've been disking down to thezone because that has a little

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less glide and is a little morecrashy and holds the torque
really well.
And then also I use so that'sfor, like my hyzer, my big
looping hyzers, my hyzer bombs,getting around obstacles.
It's kind of a Swiss Army knifeknife.
It also has enough torqueresistance.
I can throw it sidearm if Ineed to.

(01:16:36):
And then for my turnovers andflex shots I bag a mako 3 for my
better ranges and I I love themako 3.
It's just, it'll hold whateverline you put on it and, uh,
it'll, it'll hold whatever angleyou put it on and just go dead
straight with no finish.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Right, so I have my.
You said something about thatyou're disking down, because I'm
at that point now too where Iwould throw my sole for a
turnover shot, and it wouldnormally stop pretty soon, or a
turnover shot and it wouldnormally stop pretty soon, but
with the work that I've beendoing now it goes way past where

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I'm trying to do and then ittakes me a couple extra shots to
make it back to the basketbecause I'm overthrowing it.
So knowing what your arm speedis going to do to that mitt is
also really important.
So you said you have thestraight, the overstable and the
understable options, so I willbag.
I have a sole, I have my manaor my tersis.

(01:17:39):
I've recently gone to the.
Is it a Mako 3?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Yeah, you have a Mako .

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
A Mako, and then I have my tress.
So those are my four midrangesranges that I usually have
, and I could, in theory, havethe Mako do all of them.
I just that's not what I'vedone.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Not there yet.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Well, mako was the last disc that I put in there.
I had the other three in therebefore, yeah, yeah.
And then your putt and approachdiscs.
Those are typically speeds ofone, two, three, um, they're
straightest flying discs.
They have almost no finish atthe end of a flight, unless you

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have that slower arm speed, andthen it it may turn a lot.
Or if you have a the wrongangle, like it, it will hold
that.
That return, they'll hold lines, yeah, so we have different
types of putt approach.
So we have beaded versusbeadless.
And then there's differentstability options.

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So what's a beaded putter?

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
so on the, on the bottom rim of the disc, and it's
not just for putters, it's forall this, but on the bottom rim
of the disc where you reach, youwrap your fingers around and
you grip the rim of the disc andit's not just for putters, it's
for all discs but on the bottomrim of the disc where you wrap
your fingers around and you gripthe inside of the rim.
So a lot of well, I wouldn'tsay a lot of some discs will
have an extra little kind ofrounded edge there.

(01:19:05):
So, like I know, the Racer hasthat.
It's like the extra line offrosting at the bottom of a cake
, yeah, yeah, kind of like that,yeah, around the base of the
cake, and so when you wrap yourfingers around, there's that
little little extra there, uh,to be able to clear your fingers
away.
And then there's there's alsodifferent uh tops too.

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There's like groove tops,there's banger tops I know was
something that discraft put outsoon there's domey air ones,
there's flatter ones, there'sall sorts of different things
that you can use.
So, like the berg is a reallypopular one that has a thumb
groove in it.
So you, there's that little panthere that you can really put
your thumb in and grip down onthe disc.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
And then there's the neon.
That's got the inverted top too.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
It's kind of like that it's got the yeah, it's got
a very weird, interesting topto it.
It's got a concave top, concavetop, or is it convex?

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
I think it's concave.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
I always get those two confused and I remember all
my science classes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
I'm like it's this and I yeah, no, it's the dog
bowl.
Yep Stability variations.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Yeah, so ultimately, it's what's going to be stable
for you.
So, or what?
How is it going to perform foryou?
So take, for example, I throw aNomad.
When I throw my Nomad, it isvery, very understable and it
likes to turn up and over andtail off to the right, even
though it is touted as anoverstable disc.

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And then I have my Envy, whichis a dead straight flyer, and I
both throw envies and it's myputting putter.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
So well, and there are, I want to say, three or
four different uh molds of envyand different plastics, and so
it's the envy.
However, it has differentstabilities within the type of
mold that it is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
These days I pretty much do everything with an envy,
as far as putting approachingit's envy for days.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
We also recommend that you have a go to putter for
driving or approach and thatyou have a putter for putting.
So I have my approach disc.
I actually have.
I found a lasso by mint discswhich is a driving putter.

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It's made specifically fordriving so it has a bit of a
different feel around the edgeof it.
I don't know how to explain it,but it's more.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
It's it's easier to drive with than any of the other
putters I've used for drivingit's more focused around getting
being able to release out ofyour grip rather than having a
big, wide rim for stability.
Yeah, because when you putt,you use a fan grip.
When you drive, you use a powergrip.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Yeah, so it's got.
We recommend you choose a go-toputter and you have a throwing
putter.
So you have a putter, it's gota special speed and stability.
Or we've got probably 30 30envies between us, because we
both putt with envies as ourputting putters.

(01:22:35):
But having that putting putterthat you, you keep it a little
more pristine because that'swhat you're putting with, you're
not risking that you're goingto drive with it and get a huge
chip out of it when you hit atree or have it skid across
cement or lose it or lose itAnything like that.
So we have a putting specificputter and then we have another

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putter that we approach with.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Yeah, you won't find me throwing my putting putter
unless it's a very closeapproach.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Yeah so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Yeah, it sure helps when you can putt, 150 feet
though.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
And typically the one to three speeds are used in
close proximity to the basket.
However, there's a lot of onedisc challenges or like the
glitch challenges which aretechnically with a putter, and
one of the biggest pieces ofadvices I think you received was
hey, just go out and throw abag full of putters and see what
that does to teach you aboutyour game.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Well, proximity to the basket is relative.
So for like a beginner, insidethe circle one or circle two,
that would be like, say yourclose proximity.
Now for like an advanced player, a 200 foot, you know, a 250
foot upshot would probably beclose proximity.
Now for like an advanced player, a 200 foot, you know, a 250
foot upshot would probably beclose proximity.
So it really all depends.
It's crazy watching the propros because they'll only have

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one or two mids in their bag andit's all distance drivers and
all putters, that's it.
Like anthony barella can throwa putter 400 feet.
Like that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
You could probably throw a putter 400 feet.
I just don't think you've tried.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
I can barely throw a driver 400 feet, yeah, all right
.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
So how do we pick out our discs?
Well, the Holland Hanley method, which I strongly recommend.
If you subscribe to Power DiscGolf Academy, check out the
episode from Holland Handley.
I think that's where we gotthis inspiration from, too right
.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Part of it, but the 12 slot method is from there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
You have 12 slots that you have to fill.
Okay, brandon, give me an ideaof what those 12 slots are.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
If I were to do this for real, I would actually draw
this down on a sheet of paperand I would have my tic-tac-toe
board, which is three across andfour high, so four boxes high,
three across horizontally andthen I would go through my bag,
or at least my disc collection,and pick out candidates that

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might fit in each one of thesespots.
So, working from left to right,high to low, I would start
filling in these boxes so holdon.
So the the top row is yourdistance drivers, right well,
well, at the, at the very, very,very top of your chart is going

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to be your max distance okay,and then the second row would be
fairway drivers roughly goingoff of what we're talking about
so max distance.
So I would actually put afigure to it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
So let's describe what that looks like.
So this is a board that has.
The top row is the distancedrivers.
Those are going to be your maxdistance, probably your highest
speed discs, right, okay?
The second row is going to beyour fairway drivers.
So not as much distance, moremore control.
Then you have your set of midranges and then the last row is

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your putt and approach discs,but it doesn't include your
putting putter.
Putting putter is a completelyseparate deal, okay.
And then, going from left toright, it's going to be what
fills your overstable slot, yourstable slot and then your
understable slot, correct?

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Sort of.
So what I would do if I wasdrawing this out is at the very
top of the page, at the very topof my chart.
I would actually put a numberto my max distance and I would
say, okay, I can, I can throw350 feet.
So I would write three, 50 atthe top of my chart and I'd fit,
I'd put it in discs that couldgo, that three, 50.

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And then maybe I would fill inuh, in the next one down I'd
fill in okay, these are my two50 to 300 discs, and then I
would fill in these are my 100to 300 discs.
And then I would fill in theseare my 100 to 250 discs, and
then I'd have my inside 100 feetdiscs, or or I I would break it
down by actual distance insteadof speeds, so to say, because a

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lot of times you're going to beable to throw a mid-range,
certain mid-ranges, you'll beable to throw them further than
fairway drivers, certain fairwaydrivers, you'll be able to
throw them just as far, if notfurther, than uh, max distance
drivers.
So it all, it all just kind ofdepends.
So I would I would more somatch it to actual distance than

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the speed of the disc.
And then, as far as goinghorizontally goes, I would not
do stable or overstable, underor overstable, neutral and
understable what I would do,because I would put the discs in
the disc names in the boxes,because you can have a disc that

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does multiple things.
So take, for example, myLeopard.
So I put my Leopard in my midrange.
I can use that for hyzers.
I can use that as a hyzer, sothat'd be overstable.
I can use that for a deadstraight shot, so that'd be my
neutral.
And then I can also use thatfor turnovers where it'll be.
And then the way I do that forturnovers where it'll be, and

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then the way I do that is justspeed control and angle control,
and so it's not necessarilyabout the disability as much as
it is hitting the differentareas of the course.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Well, it is about the stability, but it's about the
stability for you, the way youthrow that disc.
Yeah, so you're coming up withwhat I would say, that what you
just said about that you can useyour leopard for the hyzer and
for these other things.
Those would be specialty shotsthat are outside of this chart,

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because you want to know what isyour stable mid-range, what is
your overstable like, what'syour go straight mid-range,
what's your go left mid-rangeand what's your go right
mid-range yes to a point I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
I'm not concerned as much with this stability as I am
hitting the different areas ofthe course.
I I honestly could care lessabout disability because, like
take Simon Lizotte, for example,we saw him throw a 14.04,
14.504, and it was understablefor him.
He used it to hit the highright corner.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
And Brandon.
The speed, the stability, thoseare all ways that we use the
same vocabulary to explain thesethings.
So the stability matters.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
It does matter to a point.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
It's just, the stability for a disc for you is
different than the stability ofa disc for me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Yes, no, you're right , you're right, and the chart
itself is supposed to be thedifferent areas of the course
and how you hit those differentareas.
So, like I said, the 350 rangeto 300 range, the 200 to 250,
the 250 to 300 range, the 150 to200, and like within a hundred

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feet.
So the chart that I'm drawingis supposed to represent the
different tercials and thedifferent areas of the course,
not necessarily my disabilities,because there's overlap in a
lot of areas.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
How do you uh figure out which discs are going to
fill which spot for you?

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Well, I go out to the field and I test them.
We did this drill.
I did this drill the other daywhere I was trying to find a new
distance driver.
I was having a lot of troublecontrolling a certain distance
driver that I had.
It was touted as an overstable,meat, meaty, beefy disc, but

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the particular plastic I had itin was not working for me
because it was a softer plasticwhich made it more understable.
So I wanted to go out and finda new driver that I had that had
the characteristics that Iwanted.
So there's a drill that I didit's.
It's called the um test andfilter drill and what I did is I

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went out to a soccer field andI spent like three hours doing
this.
I went out to a soccer fieldwhich was like every single
driver I could think of.
I tried to put every mold in mybag, everything from pretty
much a seven speed and higher.
I put it all in a big practicebag, a big duffel.
I went out to the soccer field.
It was actually like one ofthose multi-purpose fields that

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has the different lines andthings on it and there's a line
kind of on the leftish side ofthe field that was went straight
and went all the way down thefield, and so the drill is is to
go through in blocks of 10discs and try to throw those
discs as as well as you can, asconsistently as you can, down

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that line, and see what they doin accordance to the center line
.
Distance isn't really a thingwith this, it's you want to
throw good, controllable shotsand really explore what those
discs do.
Also to consider is that if Ithrew a bad shot so if I grip
locked one or I shanked one offto the left or it came out

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earlier or something I wouldn'tcount that one.
So I would go and throw my 10discs and then I'd go to the
other end.
There were some right away thatI knew that weren't going to go
in the bag just because of whatthey did.
So I'd take those discs out andthe ones that I was questioning
about, I would throw them backand see what they did and see if

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I could do it consistently, andthen I'd separate them out into
piles and the ones that Ididn't want went back in the
practice bag and I probablythrew probably 300 or 400 shots
trying to find a distance driverand went down to, eventually
made it to, I think, two molds,and it took a while.

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But not only was I, was I ableto find the distance driver I
was looking for, I was also ableto work on some consistency
with my form and hitting linesand also release angles.
And so there's there's multi,multiple benefits to this.
And then, jenny, we went outtogether and did that for you.

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What?
What was your experience likewhen we did the, the filter out
drill?
Oh, and another thing about thefilter out drill is the
different lines on the on thesoccer field that we were at the
multi-purpose field.
We know what the differencelines were as far as distance
goes.
So we were able to kind of makean educated guess as far as
distance goes.
So we were able to kind of makean educated guess as far as how

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far the discs were going, andso that was also helpful too for
this drill.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
So I wanted to go out and do this because of how my
discs had just kind of got up ona bus and left.
So I just wanted to go out andtry my different discs and see
what they were actually doing.
So I only took I think I tookseven speeds through 11, because

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I have some lightweight 11sthat I can throw.
So I did use the speed to kindof help decide which discs I was
going to take and I wentthrough and chose 10 at a time
and threw each disc down andback to see what they do.
So after we went through thediscs there were some that you

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wanted to see me throw again andthen there were some that you
just completely took out of mybag, and some of the things that
I threw back in just forexperimentation purposes were
some of my lightweight diamonds.
We didn't get to the Mambas.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
We didn't really make considerations for weight or
stability.
We just went out there to seewhat would work and what
wouldn't right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
So we ended up, uh, changing.
We threw a hatchet into my bagthat seemed to do really well,
but for the most part we reallydidn't make any changes about
the discs that I carry in my bag.
It was just more me seeing whatthey could do and working on my

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walk-up, to be honest.
But after we did go through andwe only did drivers, we haven't
done mid-ranges, but now I havean idea of which one is my
furthest disc, like which one'smy shortest disc.
But the other thing I did isthere's two apps that I use.

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There's the my Disc Bag, whereyou can actually write what the
discs are put in your stabilitythings like that, and see them
on a couple different charts tokind of help you decide.
You know what spots they fill.
And then also the MarshallStreet guide of discs.
That way you can see, you knowif you really like one brand

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specifically and find out whatdiscs are the same.
They're comparable, speed andstability wise.
But then we did end up pickingup the h7, which I wasn't
planning to do, but but I threwit really well yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
You seem to do well with that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Yeah, I didn't field test it, but you know it was fun
to play with.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Well, you kind of field test it, because we went
out and did a recreational roundon a bigger course and so
there's field testing andthere's course testing course
and so there's field testing.
In this course testing you havefield testing where you
actually go out to a controlledenvironment where you have
measurements and lines anddifferent rubrics that you can,
you can follow guidelines andwhatnot, and then you have

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course texting testing, becausea lot of times what works out in
the field might not work out inthe course, as such was the
case with my driver.
It worked beautifully out inthe field, but when I took it to
the course it just was notworking for me.
So you have you need to find onethat works really for both.
But if you had to choose one orthe other course testing, well,

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field field testing is whereyou can start, but if it doesn't
work on the course, then it'sgarbage.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
And another good thing with the field testing is
that's a good time for you tovideo yourself too, since you're
doing, hopefully, the same shotover and, over, and, over and
over again and you can kind ofsee what's going well form-wise,
what's not going well, what youcan change.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
So that's another good thing with doing the field
testing yeah, and when you're,when you're course testing your
disc, make sure you play withmultiple rounds so that you can
kind of filter out and negatebad shots and you can work on
those different shot shapes andthings, because courses will
cause you to have to shot shapeand whatnot.
And what I personally do like wetalked about early in earlier

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in the episode I have a uh, mygoof around bag just just for
pickup rounds.
It's full of putters and maybelike one distance driver and one
mid.
But then I have a discraft bagthat has a totally different
setup than my tournament bag,that it has some more overstable
stuff, some more side armystuff.
It's got some more neutralstuff in it.

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And then I have also just kindof a hodgepodge bag that's got a
lot of latitude and MVP in itand that bag plays very
differently than my other bags.
But I get to try out a verywide variety of discs and I
actually pulled one out of thatbag to put in my tournament bag
because of the field testing.
So there's a lot of value inboth.

(01:39:16):
But course testing is the mostimportant because, again, if it
doesn't work for your scorecard,then what's the point?

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
So something I did last year, for course testing is
I had my Sharpie and every timeI threw a disc and you know if
you're throwing a couple off thet-pad every time I chose that
disc, that that was the bettershot.
I put a little tally mark onthe underside of the rim so that
I could really see what discs Iwas using the most, and that

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gave me some other information,some other data of you know what
could I take out of the bag?
Where do I have holes?
Yeah, it was just somethingthat that was the only way I
could come up with to easilytrack that without bringing like
extra paper and things likethat gotcha.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Yeah, that was a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
I think I actually have one of those discs in my
bag now because I looked downand I had the little tally marks
on the side of it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
yeah idea, I think I actually have one of those discs
in my bag now because I lookeddown and I had the little tally
marks on the side of it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Yeah, which one?

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
I think it's one of the insanities.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Yeah, probably.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Yeah, hi.
This is Paul Wright with thePaul Macbeth Foundation.
Support the Builders Club andsupport the Intentional Disc
Golfer.
Now we are on to some commonmistakes, questions,
misconceptions.
So one of the very commonquestions that comes up is

(01:40:41):
premium plastic versus baseplastic?
Which one's better?
What do you use them for?
So base plastic is definitelycheaper A lot of times.
Base plastic, you can get abetter grip on it.
It has a softer feel.
Even a lot of pro players willuse it for wet conditions
because you can get that extragrip.

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One of the advantages yetdisadvantages to it is that you
can beat it in faster.
So the polymers and everythingwill break down a lot quicker
and the flight pattern willchange.
Flight characteristics willchange very quickly as you use
it and it's also good forbeginners because the quick wear

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down will help those flightcharacteristics kick in a lot
quicker.
One of the disadvantages isthey are less durable.
They are more susceptible tochips, dents, scuffs.
If you live out here you hit atree real hard, it will deform
your disc and because theychange so much, they will become

(01:41:50):
more inconsistent over time asthe the disc breaks down more
and more and more.
You probably don't want to usea base plastic for a high speed
driver because they can warp andthey lose their stability very
quickly.
Some of the recommended uses,however, for base plastic are

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putters, because you can getbetter grip on them due to the
cheaper plastic, mid-ranges,because they will season in more
quickly and you'll get morecontrol out of them and, like I
said before, they have a littlebit of a grippier feel.
So wet conditions are actuallypreferred and they're also
budget friendly.
So for the beginners and thevery basic recreational players

(01:42:33):
out there, base plastic is theway to go.
Now let's talk about somepremium plastics.
We have the like star, esp,neutron, the k1 opto champion,
just to name a few from a fewdifferent brands.
Now these ones are very, verymuch more durable.
So you can hit a tree, hit arock or whatnot.

(01:42:54):
They won't chip or break veryeasily.
They will also not deform whenyou hit, uh, hit an object and
once they beat in and get uh,get broken in.
They do have a much moreconsistent flight pattern and
will stay in kind of that butterzone for a longer time.

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They are very good for highspeed drivers because they won't
warp or bend or anything likethat, and then oftentimes they
look better and they feel a lotbetter because they are high
quality and they have differentblends.
So like some of them areswirled and translucent, and

(01:43:36):
there's some of these specialedition ones, the disadvantage
is they're more expensive and sothese plastics significantly
increase the cost upwards of 20to 25 to 30.
I've even seen 40 and 45 dollarplastics out there.
They often have less grip whenthey're wet and can feel slick,

(01:43:57):
especially in damp conditions,and they do take a longer time
to break in.
So you're not going to seethose flight characteristics
come to fruition very quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
You also tend to pay a bit more if it's a tour series
disc, if it's a pro's tourseries disc, if it's a pros tour
series disc.
Yeah, those are usually likefive dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
More is what I've seen yeah, with the stamp,
special stamp or something onthere yeah the special edition.
Yeah, so, um, like I said,they're great for distance
drivers and fairways driversbecause they're going to hold
their shape a little bit longer.
They're also very good forwindy conditions.
Uh, better plastics tend to bea little bit longer.
They're also very good forwindy conditions.

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Better plastics tend to be alittle bit more overstable, so
they'll perform better in thewind, and they're usually ones
that you're going to want tospend a little money on because
they're going to be in your baglong term and you're going to be
using them quite a bit.
So they are great for playerswho prefer a consistent and
predictable flight over time.
Now, the flight differences isthe base.

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Plastic will start out mostlyas intended, but, like I said,
they'll break down, they'llbecome more flippy and even
eventually turn into a roller,even if they're pretty
overstable.
Premium plastic's going to holdup better.
They're going to last for yearsand after it breaks in, it'll
do so gradually, so it will stayin that butter zone, like I

(01:45:22):
said, for a longer time.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
What about the floppy plastics too?
There's a bunch of differentthings out there too.
There's the floppy discs byElevation.
There is one from prodigy thepa pa5 pa5 that I have it's
pretty gummy yeah, there's someum lightweights that are also

(01:45:45):
pretty gummy from um.
I don't even know what thebrand is.
It's like the xi brand fromchina or something.
I don't know that's the thebrand that I first got the.
It was australian brand.
He has the australian brand rpmyeah that there's that one.
Um, there's some from lone starand then there's like the

(01:46:08):
recycled plastic discs, liketrash pan of discs.
So there's a bunch of othertypes of plastic too yeah,
there's lots of different typesof plastic.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
The uh, the recycled discs are up and coming.
They're pretty hot.
These did so.
Which one of these discs shouldyou choose?
So I would go with base plasticif you want better grip for
putting in up shots, if you like, if you like discs that become
flippier and break in reallyquickly, and you're definitely
looking for that budget-friendlyoption.

(01:46:40):
Now, when you want to go withpremium discs is when you want
that durability and long-lastingperformance.
So, maybe not for your rec bag,but definitely for your
competition bag, you need theconsistent flights, predictable
flights, especially for yourdistance drivers.
Get need the consistent flights, predictable flights,
especially for your distancedrivers.
Get some more control out ofthose If you can predict it and

(01:47:00):
you can do it consistently.
Well, that's golf in a nutshell.
When you prefer discs that'llstay more overstable for longer
periods of time, this questioncomes up a lot is how many discs
should I have in my bag, jenny?
How many discs should I have inmy bag, jenny?
How many discs should I have inmy bag?

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
That depends on you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
It depends on me.
Oh that's a cop out, how manydiscs.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
There isn't a set number of discs that you should
have in your bag.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
As many as it'll fit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
You can, but you and I subscribe to a different
belief on this, and I'm of thebelief of having five to seven
discs, that you know what theydo really well and they're
reliable, and that doesn'tnecessarily include my putter.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
I think you mean molds not discs, molds and discs
.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
I typically like when I have my bag, I don't carry my
doubles with me.
Oh yeah, no, when you have yourbackpack bag, I don't carry my
doubles with me oh yeah, no,when you have your backpack, you
don't carry your doubles no butyou don't take your backpack to
tournament rounds.
I do if they're not cardfriendly.
There might be one or two thatI will take the bag to fair

(01:48:11):
enough.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
A lot of tour and pro players will say have about 10
different molds in there Notnecessarily 10 discs, but 10
different molds and they allhave very specific spaces in
your bag and very specificpurposes and there's not a lot
of overlap there.
And if you watch coverage onjomez or on youtube or something

(01:48:38):
, you'll see that the proplayers throw the same three or
four discs all the time and theylearn those really well and
they just know what they do andthey do everything with those
three or four discs.
They'll play the wholetournament only throwing three
or four discs.
For my bag in particular, Iknow, for example, I have
exactly 10 molds minus myputting putter.

(01:49:00):
But even that is an envy and Idon't have a lot of overlap and
I use a lot of discs fordifferent things.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
So I don't agree with you.
Okay, so this is what stood outto me.
Is that so?
Kristen Tatar, formerly KristenLott, put what she has for her
bag and she has 15 discs, butthere are let's see, one, two,

(01:49:33):
two, pures, different plastic.
She has one, two, threeVerdicts that are all different
plastics.
I thought there were someothers that she had, but you
know, you may have only 15.

(01:49:53):
You may have only 15.
And maybe it's only like 12molds, because you have some
that you have in differentplastics, like how you have your
different Enveys.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Well, I definitely have more than 10 discs in my
bag.
However, the mold shape, I onlyhave about 10, 10 molds, but
I've got like three firebirds.
I've got about 10 nvs.
I have different plastics foreach one of them.

(01:50:24):
I have, uh, not each one ofthem.
I have some repeats.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
I have backups of all my discs I was trying to count
what I actually have.
So I have like three, four,five, six, seven, uh, eight,
nine maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
I think I have like 10 and then my putter yeah, yeah
, and for like tournaments, I'llprobably only throw four or
five of them the wholetournament, that's it.
The other ones are in there forvery specific situations.
So, like my MIDI, my MIDI is inthere for a very specific
situation.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
Oh yeah, this is showing me that I have 14,
including my putters.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Oh there you go, yep and so, or um, or then I have,
like, my Swiss army knife, whichis my zone, and I use it for
just about everything.
And then I have a very I have aspecific disc that I will use
for forehand rollers andbackhand rollers and uh,
grenades and thumbers and thingslike that.

(01:51:27):
But those are highly specialtyshots.
Which leads me on to the nextquestion is do I really need a
specific disc for thesespecialty shots?
And now the answer is no, it'swhatever gets the desired result
that you want, and you canrepeat it and do it consistently
, like I use my firebird foralmost everything.

(01:51:50):
I use it for sidearms, I use itfor backhands, I use it for
flex shots, I use it forsidearms, I use it for backhands
, I use it for flex shots, I useit for turnovers, I've even
used it for a roller once ortwice.
I've used it for thumbers,tomahawks, grenades.
It just depends on thesituation and the disc.
But no, you don't necessarilyneed to bag a specific disc for
a specific purpose.
I'm personally not a big fan ofthese one-off discs.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
I like to have less discs in my tournament bag
because it eliminates some ofthe game day.
Oh, I have too many options.
That's another good point.
Like I try to pare it down, soit's like well, these are my
options.
I can either disc down or I canthrow the disc that I throw all

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the time.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
Next question is don't be fooled, the higher
speeds don't necessarily gofurther than the lower speeds.
So what I mean by that is Ihave fairway drivers that will
go further than my max distancedrivers.
I have mid-ranges that will gojust as far as my fairway
drivers.
So it all just depends on yourarm, your arm speed, the release

(01:52:59):
angle, how you throw it, thedisability.
There's a lot of differentthings.
The only time it will make abig difference is in certain
environmental factors such aswind or elevation, and the other
time that it's going to make abig difference is when you start
pushing those really bigdistances.
So when you start getting up tothe 400, 500, 600 range, that's

(01:53:23):
when it's going to make a bigdifference, not necessarily.
If you're good enough to throw300, 350, you can do it with a
mid-range.
That that's not an issue.
So the next misconception I'dlike to say is don't fall for
the hype.
And what I mean by this is justbecause Anthony Barella, simon

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Lizotte, ricky, kristen, katrina, just because they can all
throw those discs, doesn't meanthat you should or that disc is
right for you.
I know it's pretty, I knowyou're a fan, I know it's pretty
, I know you're a fan.
I know it's got their namestamped on it, but don't fall
for this, unless you're going tohang it on your wall.
It's going to be a waste ofmoney, unless you can really get

(01:54:06):
the full spectrum of flight outof that disc.
So before all this, we hadtalked about how the polymers
break down in the differentplastics and stuff, and so how
do you keep your discs allbehaving the same way in case
you lose one?
You need that consistent flight, and Jenny is actually better
at this than I am and she has amethod for it, so I'm going to

(01:54:28):
let her take this one away.
Jenny, talk about disc cyclingand what that is and what, what
your, how you do it right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
So, um, I set out all my discs and we have a team
meeting.
We have a very long discussionabout what I expect from them,
right?
No, okay, so I have my set ofdiscs that I use in my
tournament and then I have thatset of backup discs that I

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usually put into my bag for whenwe go out and practice.
So I use my backup discs whenI'm not at a tournament that way
.
I started doing that because Ididn't want to have to clean out
my cart and then go to my bagand then put everything back and
go back and forth.

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And it was well, since I have aset of backup discs, I might as
well start using them.
And then it has turned intowhat you're talking about, where
, like my F9, the red one that'sin my tournament bag cart it
wasn't performing the way that Ihad been using the blue one.

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That's my backup, so I switchedthem.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
Yeah, and now you're throwing the red one in practice
rounds and things to dial inthe flight pattern.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
I might actually grab .
I found another one when wethrew, took all the drivers out
for a spin, so I might actuallyput that one in the backup and
just rotate it out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
Yeah, so rotating your discs for different wear
levels to keep the flightpatterns within a close
proximity to each other.
Yeah.
And let's talk real quick aboutthose specialty shots.
So a few specialty shotsForehand rollers, backhand

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rollers.
You need something that'sreally flippy, something that's
going to turn over reallyquickly and get on edge and take
off the thinner, the edge ofthe disc.
So, like a driver, it's goingto go further because it's going
to have less friction, lessresistance against the ground.
And also, another considerationwith rollers is is it's going

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to eventually tail out to theheaviest side of the disc, which
is the top part where the stampis so you may be like me, where
you are backhand dominant andforehands really don't make any
sense to you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
It could be that you have a disc for forehand and
that is your specialty disc,like I used to carry a uh votum,
just for that was my forehanddisc and then uh, then you have
the infamous cheater shots.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
Jenny calls them the grenades thumbers roller or
grenades thumbers tomahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
Yeah, uh all those things that I think are not how.
They shouldn't be allowed indisc golf, because it's not
flying and it blows my mind thatpeople can do that and I can't
do those.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
That's correct.
That's why they're cheatershots.
They're cheater shots.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
It's like how can I compete with that?

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
Some favorable discs for that are overstable flat top
drivers.
They usually work the best andthey need to have a lot of fade
and be able to drop quickly, soI use a firebird for these.
Another couple good ones arefelons and raptors, um, so felon
from dynamic discs, againraptor from discraft.

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And then, last but not least,and we're probably not limited
to all this, but skip shots.
So skip shots.
You need a low profile, veryoverstable disc that likes to
generate skips, so somethingthat can compress the air
underneath the ground and get itto pop back up and skip off the
ground.
So usually fairway drivers thathave a low glide, like a

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predator I'm not sure exactlywho makes the predator, but a
firebird.
I use firebirds for these aswell.
You know I use firebirds for alot of things.
So, yep, um, some otherconsiderations.
You need to consider windconditions and and other weather
factors, so you need to reallyunderstand what your discs do in
the wind.
And, jenny, don't you have alittle trick for that?

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Can you go over that chart realquick?

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
So we received um, like some uh like intro to disc
golf cards from um, one of thetournaments that Taylor Foth put
on because she works forOlympic printing, and I decided
to just download one of thepictures on my phone and it is

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the home screen when I just turnon my phone, so it has an
introduction to disc golf andwind.
You can probably find itanywhere, but it's like there's
a picture of you as a dot in thecenter and the direction you're
facing and then it shows you ifyou have a headwind, so wind is
against your throw Disc willact more understable, so you

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disc up, which means more lift,which means you aim for slightly
lower release.
Tailwind, so wind the samedirection as a throw Disc, will
act more overstable, which meansyou need to disc down, has less
lift and aim for a slightlyhigher release.
Then there's the left to rightcrosswind, where hyzers drop and

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anhyzers lift, and right toleft crosswind, where hyzers
lift and anhyzers drop.

Speaker 3 (02:00:10):
I will tell you that just by having this little bit
of knowledge with wind, it'sgiven me a uh an advantage to a
lot of people that I play withyeah, especially for some of the
big open courses that have whenyour considerations like so,
like one of the courses aroundhere is open and it's very windy

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because it's up on a hill rightoff of the puget sound here and
so the wind comes up off thewater and makes it very, very
windy up on this hill where thecourse is talking about
rhododendron oh see, Iimmediately think of shelton,
because there's those shotswhere you're throwing from the

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trees.
Oh, shelton, shelton's anotherone.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
The trees, and then you go out into where the power
lines are and it's all of asudden there's wind and then the
basket's back in the trees, soyou have to manage all of that
Whippy, swirly wind.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
Especially in the afternoon, when it starts to
warm up.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
That's why we play wind bingo.

Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
Wind bingo.
So understanding what your discdoes in the wind is very
important.
And then let's talk about realquick what happens in the rain.
So in the rain, of course,you're going to get less power
and control because you havereduced grip.
You're also going to haveincreased drag, so you're not
going to have as much glide onyour disc.

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Be expecting shorter flightsand this means that your disc is
not going to carry as far.
So some more glidey discs areprobably good for the rain, and
overstable discs tend to becomemore overstable because the air
is actually thicker and createsmore drag on the discs.
So not only are your flightsgoing to be shorter, but your
overstable discs are going todump harder and come down into

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the ground a lot quicker.

Speaker 1 (02:01:56):
So, with rain too, you need to think about how are
you keeping your hands dry, howare you keeping your discs dry
and what are you doing tomitigate those situations.
So I don't know if you plan totalk about it, but one thing we
do is that we towel off ourdiscs, but then we also tend to
use our chalk bags to help getthat last little bit of moisture

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, and it really helps to getthat um, get your grip back on
the disc.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
Yeah, and another factor of.
Another factor playing in therain is the winds in the rain.
When it's raining, the windswill actually change a little
more dramatically, which isgoing to mess with the
aerodynamics.
So not only do you have toworry about the heavier air and
causing more resistance in theair, but also the effect of the
wind, which is going to be moreunstable as if it's raining.

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Next consideration you need totake into account your elevation
, so this will fly moreoverstable.
At higher, higher elevation theair.
Air is thinner so it doesn'tfeel.
The disc doesn't feel like ifit had feelings.
It doesn't feel like it's goingas fast because there's not a

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much air, not as much air aroundit.
So it's going to have less turnand glide.
It's going to fade a lotearlier in the flight and
understable discs are going tobe even more stable and harder
to flip up because there's notas much air to create the lift
around the disc.
Be expecting shorter flightswhen you're playing at elevation

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, but with the less air, airresistance, you can use lower
speed discs to force those powerthrows.
So if you're playing at 5 000feet elevation, you can probably
throw a putter a lot longerthan you could if you're at sea
level.
So that's, that's anotherconsideration and something you

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can use to be able to take careof that.
This like flex shots, hyzerflips uh, the higher speed ones
anyway they will have a wholelot more, a whole lot harder
time flipping up and over andgetting those hyzer flips and
desired shot shapes than if youwere at sea level.
The other thing you need to dois considering elevation, is you

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need to consider how high yourlanding zone is.
So a lot of times people willthink, okay, well, I'm up a hill
or whatever and I'm going tothrow it and it should go really
far, but if your landing zoneis 30 feet below where you're
standing, you have to considerthat landing zone and what?

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What's going to happen isthat's going to create more time
for the disc to be in that fadezone.
So when we were talking aboutflight numbers and the
speedometer, it's going tocreate more time in that fade
zone.
So your, your disc is going tokeep going and going and going
and it might end up a hundredmore feet to to the left or 100

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more feet to the right,depending on how you throw, just
because the landing zone isthat much further beneath where
your launch zone is and viceversa, throwing uphill shots,
you're going to be expectingless glide and you can also
expect your disc to stall out,because when you're throwing an

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uphill shot you naturally to getit up the hill, you have to
throw nose up to be able toforce it up that hill.
So once it crests the hill, theair is going to hit that and
it's basically going to stop thedisc in mid-flight and drop it
right where it crests the hill.
So that's another thing toanother thing.
To consider some of the waysaround.

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That is, use under stable discswhich are going to stay a
little straighter, maybe alittle flippier, and kind of
keep that right hand, turn alittle bit better.
Some discs to bring for higherelevation putters and mid-ranges
.
You want to choose things thatare glidier, more straight
flying or neutral Fairwaydrivers.

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You're looking at stuff that'sgoing to be more understable.
Some controlled term anddistance drivers definitely
something that's moreunderstable.
It's going to flip up.
It's going to stay straight foryou and have a maximum amount
of glide.
You can also adjust yourthrowing style to be able to
accommodate for elevation.
Use less hyzer so your discswill flip up easier.

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You can throw a faster disc foruphill shots.
You can throw flatter discs fordownhill shots, so like putters
and things, and you can usehigh release angles and
exaggerate that fade a lot more.
You can also rely more onunderstable discs.
So what's flippy it's and, likeI said before, what's flippy at
sea level might not be flippyand straight at elevation.

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And we have to take intoconsider consideration
environment, the temperature.
To the colder it is, the harderthe plastic, the harder the
plastic, the more overstable thedisc.
The more overstable the disc,the less glide, the more dump
it's going to have at the end ofits flight.
Take, for example, when I throwmy racer In the summer when

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it's 80 degrees out, I can getthat thing to flip up and glide
a million miles.
In the winter, when it's 30degrees out, I can get that
thing to flip up and glide amillion miles.
In the winter, when it's 30degrees out, I can't get that
thing to flip up to save my life.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
Yeah, and when it's colder, the discs are more
likely to crack, break orexplode.

Speaker 3 (02:07:25):
Well, and also when it's colder, there is more air
resistance.
Yes, because cold air will holda lot more.

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:07:33):
Yeah, cold air holds a lot more stuff, a lot more
humidity.
So when it's cold outside,there's more air resistance
against your disc as when it'shot outside.
The molecules are all spreadapart and it'll glide through
the air better.
Outside temperature andelevation are very closely
related as far as how the discsbehave.

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Uh, next thing is how do I finda weight that's good for me?
Now?
We said in the last episode that, look, we've been thinking
about this all wrong as discgolfers, and the way we've been
taught is, you know, lightweightto heavyweight and then
understable to overstable.
And, honestly, what we shouldbe able to do as disc golfers is

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we should develop our techniqueenough so that we can use all
the tools that are available tous in the bag.
So you should be able to throwa 140 driver, the same you
should the you know, same wayyou should be able to throw a
170 driver.
You should be able to throw a170 driver.
You should be able to use allof these tools and have good
enough technique to make surethat they do what they do.

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And so what we've been doing asdisc golfers is we've been
solving a well, we've beensolving this problem with a
technical solution when reallyit's a solution of technique and
mechanics.
So selecting a weight that'sgood for you.
You want to be able to throw ithard enough to be able to get

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the secondary flightcharacteristics, but also be
good enough to use every shot inyour bag.
That's a little confusing foradvanced players.
Basically what works for youagain.
But when you get to that pointwhere you can use everything
that's out there, then that'swhen you know you're all set.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
So it is.
There is a bit of a progression, though, with weights, where,
if you're a beginner typicallyif you're a female, lower
weights are better for you.
If you've had any injuries,sometimes going down to a lower
weight helps to make it so thatyou can still play.
Um, you need heavier weightsfor the wind, like there.

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There are a lot of things toconsider, though, about the
weight of a disc.

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
Yeah, they all, they all.
Each tool has its purpose andknowing that purpose is
important, and I'm saying thatyou, as a advanced disc golfer,
you should be able to use everysingle tool that's available to
you.
Does that make more sense?
Next thing, next consideration,is you want to make sure that

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the disc feels good in your, inyour hand.
Some things to look at that,some things that go along with
that, is the depth of the flightpan or the rim.
So you want to make sure thatyour fingers can cleanly come
away from the disc when you'rethrowing without getting stuck.
Check the disc for mold lines.
Does it have sharp mold lineson there that might abrade your

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fingers?
Usually what I do is I removeit with a little bit of
sandpaper and just, which islegal by pdga, so I just kind of
scuff up that sharp edge andget rid of it.
One thing that drives mepersonally crazy, and probably
some people like it, is theembossing on the underside of
the disc.
So I know um inova puts theirson the flight plate and if I

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feel that under my fingers, itdrives me crazy and I I turn the
disc.
So I know um inova puts theirson the flight plate and if I
feel that under my fingers itdrives me crazy and I I turn the
disc so I don't feel it anymore.
I know disc craft actuallyembosses it right into the rim
of their disc, so that may be anadvantage if you're trying to
get some more grip on your disc,just having that little bit of,
uh, roughness there.
But I, I personally, am not afan, so that's just kind of your

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personal preference.
There's also, especially fordistance drivers, there's sharp
rims or rounded rims.
So, like my Firebird has areally sharp rim on it because
it's like a nine speed, but ithas a sharp rim on it, very
pointy, as where Jenny's f9 hasa more rounded profile to it and

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it feels a little more gentlerto the touch.
Um, so, and that's all.
That's all just personalpreference as well.
And then you need to considerthe width of the rim also and
and there's a lot more to this,but you can consider the lift,
the lip of the rim also, andthere's a lot more to this.
But you can consider the lip ofthe rim and make sure that you
can grip it adequately, becausefor me, for example, I have

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really big hands, so rim size isnot a problem.
Jenny has very small hands, sosome of my discs she can't even
hold on to them because the rimis too wide.
And a few more things.
We talked about the beaded edgeearlier, where it has the extra
little bead around the bottomof it.
There's thumb grooves.
Also, some discs are domierthan others so they might attach

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to your thumb a little bit more.
That's another considerationand that's all just a feel thing
.
And then of course you have thefirmness of the plastic and
some of the different types ofplastics out there.
We were talking about thefloppy gummy discs that are kind
of flimsy by elevation.
So I think the idea is if youhit a hill or a tree or

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something it'll just plop downand absorb all that energy.
But then you have like the softplastics and you can go all the
way up to like a super hard,firm plastic.

Speaker 1 (02:12:59):
But yeah, it's like my uh thought space praxis, the
ones I recently got, like,they're like really stiff.

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
They're really stiff, yeah, and but something to keep
in mind is every every plasticis going to break down over time
and the flight characteristicsare going to change as those
plastics break down.
And I keep coming back to this.
You should also consider color.
When you're purchasing a discor putting in your bag, make
sure that the colors that youput in your bag are easy to

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locate in the particularenvironment.
These, like peach and beigecolor discs are not good for
desert play.
I have found out.
Even some of the rainbow dyesand things like they like to
disappear in the grass.
Believe it or not, it's kind ofstrange, or?

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
like some of the light purples, are not good for
in our woods because the plantshave berries and flowers that
are the same color.

Speaker 3 (02:13:54):
Yes, lavender is a surprisingly hard to see color.
Yeah, yeah.
Also, you want to make surethat the colors that you choose
are not going to be distractingto you when you throw.

Speaker 1 (02:14:05):
Yeah, I've got some that distract me.
I'm too excited about howpretty they are that I don't
throw them.

Speaker 3 (02:14:12):
well, yes, indeed, you do.
My last recommendation here isyou want to make sure that
you're making these decisionsbased on data and experience and
try to avoid making emotionaldecisions.
You can go out and collect yourown data, get your percentages.
Make sure that you canreproduce a result consistently

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with a well one.
One thing, one thing to look atis, if you have two discs that
perform the same way, go withthe one that feels better to you
so that you have thatconfidence and you have that
that feel with the disc, becauseit's not fun throwing a disc
that tears up your hand ordoesn't.

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You can't grip it right orsomething, even if it works well
.
And and really until you takethe time to get to know your
game so you can negate some ofthose poor decisions out there
on the course, uh, and the onlyway to do that is to go out
there and work with experiencedpeople.
Use people that are better thanyou use friends.
Go out and do your field work,take data and feedback and make

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sure that you're creating agreat feedback loop for yourself
.
Our last discussion here, jenny,now that we've gone through all
the discs, all the differentconsiderations, all the
different things that you canput in your bag as far as discs
and disc flight and differentsituations and courses and etc.

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And such etc.
Let's talk about some of thenon-disc items that we like to
put in our bag.
So I got a big list here.
Nail clail clippers.

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
I have an entire nail kit because it came in a
tournament pack.

Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
Yeah, yeah, we got that one from the range had
opened, didn't we, yeah?
So nail clippers are essential.
Not only can you use them foryour nails, but you can also use
them to cut little burrs andthings off of your discs, and
that is highly useful whenyou're out in the field and you
get a burr in one of your nicefavorite discs.

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I carry a small square ofsandpaper with me so I can.
For the same reason, to be ableto take off burrs and rough
spots when they should occur, Iusually pack like probably like
a 120 grit or a 150 gritsandpaper and I just get a small
square and tuck it in my bag sothat I can have it for

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emergencies.
A big one is grip enhancement,so some sort of means for grip
enhancement.
So we have climber chalk bagsthat we put chalk in and we can
actually powder our hands andget chocolate over them.
Um, regular chalk bags likewhale sacks are a very popular

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one.
Uh, what are some of the otherones that you like?

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
I prefer the chump chalk, which is chalk based, and
I believe it has popcorn in ittoo.

Speaker 3 (02:17:16):
Uh, you prefer the ace bags, which are clay bead
based yeah, I like the ace bagsyeah yeah so, and then there's
the the bird sauce stuff thatthey have now yeah, that's like
the lotion powder stuff.
Yeah, there's like bird sauce,and then there wasn't there like
some kind of like little tin oflike wax, waxy type of stuff.

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They have all sorts of thingsfor grip enhancement.
I've even seen some people usegloves.
Yeah, they have.

Speaker 1 (02:17:43):
They have a friction glove for disc golf too well,
and some people just usecompression gloves because of
their hands yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:17:51):
So of course, snacks, hydration, definitely need a
mini marker, or several minimarkers, because Lord knows, I
have a tendency to lose mine outthere on the course.
So I bring a few of them withme.

Speaker 1 (02:18:05):
I have my one.

Speaker 3 (02:18:07):
You have the one mini marker to rule them all.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:18:12):
Range finder is a highly useful tool tool.
I know a lot of people don'tuse them, but when you know and
understand the distances andranges of your discs and your
throwing distance, that canprovide you with some good
real-time data while you're outthere on the course.
One thing I keep in my bag,though, for sure tweezers.
So like yesterday when we wereplaying at fort silicon, I got a

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like a blackberry thorn orsomething in in my hand and I
had to pick it out.
So tweezers are very, veryuseful.
Or for even like grass seedsgrass seeds, oh gosh, but
tweezers for sure.
Um, sunscreen important,definitely.
Have sunscreen sunglasses.

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Bug spray, some sort of bud,for sure.
Sunscreen important, definitely.
Have sunscreen Sunglasses, bugspray, some sort of bug bite
stick.
And these are all suggestions.
I'm not saying that you have tolike pack a suitcase with these
and roll it around the course.

Speaker 1 (02:19:05):
So far you haven't mentioned anything that I don't
have in my cart.
I'm just waiting to see if youmiss anything.

Speaker 3 (02:19:11):
I got one right here Poison plant cream, the Zanfell
or bug bite stick.
I've got that, you really havebug bite, stick in your cart.

Speaker 1 (02:19:23):
Yeah, I have the stuff that Taylor Foth made.

Speaker 3 (02:19:26):
Oh yeah, that stuff.
You have some, I do, I know Ihave some somewhere.
Bear spray I know you don'thave that right.
Yeah, a lot of our courses uphere in the northwest are up in
the woods and, uh, especiallythe one right behind our house.
Here there's actually afriendly little black bear and a
cub that lives there.

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I don't know if they'refriendly well I I don't know if
they're friendly either.
And cougars and we also havecougars and bobcats and we have
several large predators aroundthis area, so having a means to
be able to defend yourself isprobably a good idea.
Chapstick is a must.
I like chapstick.

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First aid, so it doesn't haveto be elaborate, just some
Band-Aids and maybe someNeosporin, unless you want to go
with a full-on first aid kit.
Towels what kind of towels doyou like, jenny?

Speaker 1 (02:20:19):
I don't like the microfiber ones, just because of
the way that my hands are.

Speaker 3 (02:20:24):
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the microfiber or
synthetic fibers.
I find that synthetic fibersdon't absorb moisture.

Speaker 1 (02:20:30):
Yeah, I like the really soft towels, but I'm
starting to realize that theydon't absorb moisture.
Yeah, I like the really softtowels, but I'm starting to
realize that they don't actuallyabsorb as much as I had hoped.
So kind of the waffly towelsare good.

Speaker 3 (02:20:42):
Yeah, my favorites are like the waffly towels that
are kind of like kitchen towelsyeah, like they're cotton.

Speaker 1 (02:20:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:20:49):
I really like those.
Those work good.
Then I have my I've even seenpeople run around with straight
up bath towels on the course.

Speaker 1 (02:20:56):
Yeah, some people have really big ridiculous
towels.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:21:02):
What were you saying?

Speaker 1 (02:21:03):
I was going to say then in my cart I also have my.
I have a raincoat in my cart,that's on the list.
You got a raincoat.
I usually end up with my extralayers in my cart on the list
you got a raincoat.
I usually end up with my extralayers in my cart.
Yep, extra layers.
I have uh somewhere aroundthree liters of liquids to drink
, hydration, yep, I have the biofreeze or icy hot, whatever up

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painkillers, either someibuprofen, ibuprofen or some
cream or something.
Yeah, I keep extra hair ties.
Hair ties, that's a good one Ilike.

Speaker 3 (02:21:34):
I keep extra hair ties.
Hair ties, that's a good one.
I like the hair ties I haveextra hair ties.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
I usually have my baseball hat and my beanie.

Speaker 3 (02:21:41):
Yep hand lotion or not hand lotion?

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
hats.
I do have the really goodfarmer's hand.

Speaker 3 (02:21:50):
Yeah, don't you keep some hand lotion in there?
Yeah, because when Keep fromsplitting your finger.

Speaker 1 (02:21:53):
Well there, yeah, because when keep from splitting
your finger well, yeah, becausewhen I use too much of the
chalk, then my fingers seem tostart to split, or my cuticles,
yeah, split, um, so I have stufffor that, and then I end up
with rocks, feathers and otherthings that just accumulate.
I've've got all my little pinsand my bag tags and all those

(02:22:17):
other things too.

Speaker 3 (02:22:18):
Well, those are all accessories, not necessarily
like essential peripherals.

Speaker 1 (02:22:22):
I have my umbrella you got your umbrella.
That's the most I have myholder for the umbrella, my two
different ones, your cell phone.
I have a holder for my cellphone.
I have my disc raptor, I havemy birdie bead.
So my thing, so I can helpcount my shots when I start
getting tired.

Speaker 3 (02:22:41):
Yeah, how about a distress whistle or alarm?
I?

Speaker 1 (02:22:46):
do not actually have one of those, but the the birdie
alarm thing, the birdie alarm.
I have given those away in atournament, yep.

Speaker 3 (02:22:53):
Yeah, or some sort of woods, especially if you're
playing in the woods alone on abackdoor course or something
like that.
You don't you nest, you meanbackwoods.
Backwoods that's what I meanLike on some backwoods course or
something, especially wherethere's mountains and a lot of
predators and stuff.
You're going to want to havesome sort of whistle or

(02:23:15):
something.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
Some of the courses that we've played.
There's been a lot of transientpeople also on the course, so
it's good to have the alarm andthings like that that's what the
bear spurs were.

Speaker 3 (02:23:26):
No, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, we have played somecourses with a lot of homeless
people, unfortunately.
We have played some courseswith a lot of homeless people,
unfortunately.
And make sure you carryidentification with you in case
there is an accident or youshould become incapacitated.
People can identify you If youwear glasses or contacts.
Make sure you bring extracontacts with you.

(02:23:47):
That's important.
That's pretty much like in thebag Now let's talk a little bit
about at the course.
So, some of the things we packwith us we pack toilet paper,
because you never know ifthey're going to have any or not
, baby wipes kind of.
For the same reason, Extratowels are good.
Cooler bags are essential.
I bring extra socks andunderwear because, well, your
feet get wet, but underwear areimportant in certain situations.

Speaker 1 (02:24:11):
Especially when you have a tendency to throw your
discs into a lake and you decidethat you need to go fish them
out.

Speaker 3 (02:24:17):
That is true.

Speaker 1 (02:24:20):
I buy two pairs of the same shoes so that I have a
fresh pair for the second round.

Speaker 3 (02:24:27):
Yep, and I have that on here Extra shoes, sandals.
So I like to bring my sandalsto be able to drive in.

Speaker 1 (02:24:34):
Yeah, for afterwards, or to sit and do the tournament
, the awards and all that.

Speaker 3 (02:24:39):
Well, you also said extra shoes or extra clothes and
layers.
Good one Baby powder or footpowder to keep yourself dry if
you're a little moist.

Speaker 1 (02:24:49):
Did you say bug spray ?

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
Bug spray is on there .
Yeah, yeah, bug spray is inthere.
That was in the bag thing.
Yeah, petroleum jelly, so likebag bomb.
Aquaphor Vaseline for if thingsare too dry and you need them
to not be dry.

Speaker 1 (02:25:06):
That's what hand lotion is for.

Speaker 3 (02:25:09):
Sometimes you need a little bit of heavier protection
because, yeah, things don't gowell.

Speaker 1 (02:25:16):
So chafing.

Speaker 3 (02:25:17):
Chafing yeah, that's what I'm talking about, jenny
chafing Umbrella, raincoat, hat,visor, more nutrition.
So let's talk about thenutrition, just real fast is we
are we don't like plan, plan ournutrition but we try to be
thoughtful about the nutritionthat we pack for what we are

(02:25:40):
doing, so healthy foods thingsare going to be good for, like
sport, sporting events andreplace all that energy and
different and nutrients that weneed to keep going.
We also I write, I sometimesbring a yoga mat with me to be
able to do like stretches andstuff.

Speaker 1 (02:25:58):
Oh, I was going to say I have one of those elastic
tubes for warmup and stuff likethat.

Speaker 3 (02:26:04):
Oh, the stretchy bands.

Speaker 1 (02:26:06):
So that you can use it for warming up or if you're
at a backup or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:26:11):
Yeah, yeah, so the stretchy bands.

Speaker 1 (02:26:13):
We also got the um ball to use to do like on the
course, um massage like if youget a cramp in your whatever I
used to carry around my kneebraces too, because my knees
were having a hard time rememberthat yeah, and so then, after
after yoga mat, have massage gun, a massage gun.

Speaker 3 (02:26:32):
A lot of people will bring the massage guns.
The percussion massagers aregreat to be able to work out
knots and things.
Also foam rollers.
Foam rollers are really goodfor that, especially legs and
low back.
They're small, compact,lightweight, something that you
can stuff in your car or van andbring it with you.
And then lawn chairs.
You've got to have lawn chairs,so something to sit on, whether

(02:26:56):
that be your bag, lawn chair,stool or whatnot.
And, jenny, can you think ofanything else that, uh, we bring
along to a tournament, or isthat?

Speaker 1 (02:27:04):
pretty much it.
I think that's pretty much it.
Sometimes we will have, um, youknow, have the protein powder
and stuff for quick if we needit.

Speaker 3 (02:27:17):
Well, and I know some people bring like pop-up tents
and some people bring like smalllike hibachi grills and stuff
like that.
So I mean, it just depends whatyour vibe is.
So, but these are justsuggestions of like basic
essentials that you can bringwith and some good ideas and
things in there.
All right, well, that's prettymuch it for this episode of the

(02:27:41):
intentional disc golfer.
In this episode, we havedissected and now you should
understand the four differentcategories of discs, their
characteristics and profiles andwhat they are for.
You should also have learnedhow to select your discs
practically, consideringperformance, course and

(02:28:01):
environment conditions, withconfidence.
We had a brief conversationabout disc cycling and the
different ways that your discsfly as they break down and
change their flight patterns.
We've also answered some ofyour key bag building questions,
such as how many discs should Ihave?
What kind of discs should Ihave, what are some different

(02:28:22):
considerations for differentcourses, different types of
players, and now you should beable to go out there and build a
more effective bag withintention and purpose, as well
as be able to stock up your bagand your car with all the
essential peripherals that adisc golfer may or may not need
out there on the course.
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(02:29:31):
And do stay with us afterwards,after the outro music and enjoy
some bloopers and outtakes.
Uh, brought to you by your host, truly.
We would like to uh thank ourshout outs again and say, uh,
thank you for coming out andplaying with us, mr Ed call and
uh, jason Boyd, it was awonderful time out there.

(02:29:53):
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We love you guys.
Thank you for being with us forthroughout the years and
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It's because of you guys thatwe can keep this podcast going
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This is the intentional discgolfer.
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My name is brandon and I'm jenny, and here at the Intentional

(02:30:15):
Disc Golfer, we really believethat disc golf changes lives, so
go out there and grow the sport.
Thank you for listening to thisepisode of the Intentional Disc

(02:30:37):
Golfer Podcast.
These are the bloopers andouttakes from this latest
episode.
We do have to warn you thatprofanity may be used and
sensitive topics may bediscussed.
Listener discretion is highlyadvised.
To avoid this, please stoplistening and move on to the
next episode now uh, we uh.

Speaker 1 (02:30:59):
So, brandon, we're okay you got words I got this,
you got this so wasn't shedriving a prius?

Speaker 3 (02:31:08):
yeah, she had a husband's car, oh, prius.
I will reserve my comments.
Let's talk about actuallyputting discs in your bags,
right, because that's whatthey're for, since when I know,
I know, jenny, I know it'samazing, isn't it?

(02:31:31):
Mind-blowning, somethingBaloning?
I said baloney, mind-blowing,mind-balloning, mind-balloning,
it's like what is that one?
The bottle Trapped in a bottle?
It's when you get all yourMind-bottling, boggling,
mind-bottling, no, it's likewhen you get all your trap

(02:32:00):
thoughts trapped in a bottle andyou can't get them out.
I have never heard of mindbottle, oh, it's like.
I've heard mind boggling.
It's a willful thing, sure itis.
It came off of something Idon't.
I don't know.
I'm not sure it's off a movie Idon't even whoa.
That shook my whole body, bakerlay down it's an airplane dog,
you're not gonna get it mygoodness, as you were saying,

(02:32:22):
dear, but in a nova firebird andaxiom, uh, axiom, I don't know
what this is, but an anovafirebird is a good one.
I don't know what this is.
But Innova.
Firebird is a good one.
It says an Axiom zone, butAxiom doesn't make zones.
So I don't bag the Firebird, Ibag the Fire, not the Fire

(02:32:46):
Chicken.
What is it?
Yeah, it's a Firebird the.

Speaker 1 (02:32:50):
Fire Chicken the.
Fire Chicken.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, you can get it atpopeyes, I guess, I don't know,
not an advertisement we're goingto imagine that you have a
tic-tac-toe board with an extracolumn, column, column, sure,

(02:33:18):
I'm just trying to give a visual.
I'm I'm also doing so.
I'm running this.

Speaker 3 (02:33:24):
Okay, no comment no comment okay, oh, actually,
comment, comment so, and we'reback yeah, yeah, and like my
tournament bag, I'll carryseveral different towels on
there, in case one gets soggy onmy that's not what I'm talking

(02:33:46):
about.
Well, no, no.
I'm going a different directionwith this, so I'm gonna cut you
off when I want to.

Speaker 1 (02:33:52):
No, no, no no, a tailwind is when, in the same
direction as the throw disc willask, blah disc will act more
under, more overstable.
Let me start over, because itkeeps I keep shutting off, so I
have to keep turning it back on.
Start over, because it keeps Ikeep shutting off, so I have to
keep turning it back on who'sthat?

Speaker 3 (02:34:18):
Mariah hush, thank our shout outs.
Again Ed Call and Jason.
Jason what the hell is his name?
Again Ed Kahl and Jason whatthe hell is his name?

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