September 24, 2024 • 62 mins
In this episode of The Intern Whisperer Podcast, we’re joined by Adrienne Garland, founder of She Leads Media, a powerhouse company dedicated to elevating women’s voices through conferences, events, publishing, and podcasting. Adrienne talks about the art of gathering — creating intentional spaces that foster connection and support for women across industries. She shares her thoughts on how we can use our time more intentionally in a digital world that constantly pulls us in, advocating for rest from screens and awareness of how our actions align with our true desires.
Adrienne also discusses the upcoming 10th anniversary of She Leads Media and the exciting developments surrounding her annual conference, which promises to empower attendees with love, tools, and strategies to take their businesses to the next level. We dive deep into her perspective on the future of work, the impact of AI, and how to maintain balance in a world that constantly demands more from us digitally. From setting boundaries with technology to empowering women in STEM, Adrienne shares valuable advice on navigating both the digital and real-world spaces. Tune in for a conversation full of insight, inspiration, and a reminder to run your own race!
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(00:10):
Hi everyone.
This is the Intern Whisperer.
My name is Isabella Johnston,the host of the Intern Whisperer podcast,
which is brought to you
by Employers 4 Changethat helps hiring teams reduce employer
hiring bias and increase competency,skill recruitment and learning.
So today's guest is somebody that'sbeen on my show before, Adrienne Garland.
(00:30):
She's the CEO of She Leads Media.
Adrienne is the producer ofShe Leads Media conference
for women entrepreneurs and leaders.
She's the host of theseShe Leads Podcast, an adjunct professor
of entrepreneurshipat NYU, and Rice, and a book publisher.
She was a previous gueston the Intern Whisperer, and you can watch
(00:53):
or listen to that first interviewby visiting Employers 4 Change
YouTube channel, and stream or streamfrom your favorite podcast channel.
It's seasonfive, episode 218 of The Intern Whisperer
to hear more about her careerpath and thoughts about 2030.
Today'sshow is going to be very different though.
(01:14):
So yeah, I'm so glad that you're back.
So, we're going to talk aboutlearning technology
and future of industries,but also about impact.
We had a call about this earlier.
So but before we do that, let's talka little bit more to hear more
about what your conference is.
I haven't been I want to go,but tell all of my listeners about it.
(01:36):
Oh, and by the way,we officially hit 15,000 downloads.
So so my gosh, congratulations.
That is such an accomplishmentas coming from another podcast star
and just sort of being in that world.
I think people think that it's real easyto, you know, get thousands
and thousands of downloads and it's not.
So congratulations.
Thank you.
Thank you I appreciate it.
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Okay.
So what is She Leads Media.
Let's just start with that. Sure.Thank you so much.
And I really appreciate itbeing a returning guest on your show
I feel so honored.
So thank you so much for this opportunity.
So She Leads Media.We are a media company.
And, you know, hopefully one daywe will be a much bigger media company.
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But we're super focused on womenand helping women
to get their voices, thoughtsand opinions out into the world.
So she leads media, createsthese opportunities
for women to share their stories,their thoughts, their opinions
through things like our annual conference,
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our podcast network, and, you know, ushelping women to start podcasts,
we help women to get their,thought leadership
solidifiedthrough books and book publishing.
And we also help womenwith, public relations,
media training and marketing.
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So it's a lot. Yeah, a very busy woman.
Very busy.
But this idea is like,how do you create your own platform
to get your thought leadershipand expertise out there?
And then how do you leveragethe other media channels that are outside
of your own platformso that you can amplify, your message?
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And we really believe thatentrepreneurship is sort of the answer
for women in order to,
make an impact inthe world and create wealth.
So I know how we met and
it was through Kid Gostaupson and,please tell me and said his name.
(03:44):
Right? Right. Yep.
Okay, great.
He is a fellow publisher,and I'm not sure how you guys met,
but when he introduced me to you,it was to participate in a workshop,
a pilot program that you were doingabout publishing a book.
And I love that you focus on women,in thought leadership.
I believe I am
(04:06):
that also, and I am working on a bookwe talked about that a little bit.
Were both podcastersgetting your message out there?
There's so many ways to do it now.
And you are tappinginto all of those potential markets.
Yeah. So what do you like the best?
Well, I love podcasting.
I mean, I it's so much fun.
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And it is this medium
that allows you to sort of talk to anyonearound the world because you do not need
to be in person with with whoever you're,you're speaking with.
I also do love doing solo episodesfrom time to time
because it's fun to sort of just riffon, on certain things.
(04:48):
So I, I love this idea
that I can talkto these incredible people.
And then the other thing that I love,I mean, I think I love it all,
but I do love the conferencesand being able to then
like, let's say there's a guestthat's on my show and then she's a speaker
at my conference,being able to meet someone face
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to face and exchange that energy, live.
Yeah it is, it's unmatched.
I think what's so greatabout going to conferences
and and they do tie togetherpodcast conferences and books.
It's they're all about an experiencein some way.
And the more that you're able to eitherlisten and watch, that's
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a good experience, the more that you can,actually hold the book and read.
And maybe even if it's audiobookand have the book, it becomes
something that's been touchedand listened and viewed.
But when you go to a conference,you can't hug people like you can,
and the other things you can in conferenceand you get to shake hands.
You get to hug people that you've knownfor a while, and it's just so much richer.
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I think that experienceso I really feel like what you're,
you have createdas your little media, mogul
that's joining,you know, turning into a giant is the fact
that you're, you're hitting thingsthat should be experiential.
Yes, absolutely.
I mean, and I think there's
also some type of magic that happens
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when women specifically get together.
And it's something that I am very proud
to be able to sort of createthat in environment.
You know, I Priya Parker,who wrote the book the Art of gathering,
she talks about how,
you know, people have this abilityto curate
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different experiences and have,you know, sort of,
try to create different outcomesby bringing people together.
And that book came out,I don't know, a couple of years ago.
And I read it and I thought, wow, this isthis is what I do.
Right?
Like, ever since I was in,you know, high school or even middle
(07:04):
school, like bringing togethermy friends, like having a party,
you know,just kind of creating the environment
for people to be who they areis something that I feel like
I have a knack for, just creating that beautiful space
to allow people to exchange thoughtsand have fun and and all of it.
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And that is that'swhat the conference is about.
That's even what my podcast is about.
Right.
It's just a different medium.
And same thing with with books.
It's giving someone the spaceto share their, their story
and their their thoughts and do so in a,
you know, a format that is very intimate.
(07:50):
You know,
I pulled her book upand it's a beautiful cover.
I don't know if you were responsible
for that also,since you're in that publishing realm.
But it's beautiful.
I cannot wait.
I'm going to reach out to herjust because of your recommendation,
because it looks like it's fun,but it has to be about creating impact.
And I know that's one of the major themesthat you and I talked about that
(08:11):
we really want to focus on in this podcastis creating impact, understanding
that this is, what has to stayhuman is the real relationship.
We can't be relying on social channels
or things that are just,
supplements.
They're secondaryto the actual human connection.
(08:32):
Yeah, yeah, there are surface and it'sI think we talked about this too.
There's a place for everything. Right.
And I found myself
last night scrolling through TikTokor Instagram Reels or
something like that, and there are thingsthat are like, super funny.
And they're entertainment
that some of the social channelsaren't meant for.
(08:57):
The things that we are trying toto do necessarily,
some of them are and some some of them usethose mediums really, really well.
Like maybe some short clipsthat educate you on,
you know, communication styleor something like that.
So it's it's hard to be able to vilifylike social media
(09:18):
because there is some goodthat can come out of it.
But there is definitelylike the dark side right.
Yeah, yeah.
And that comes under the for mestewardship.
We need to learn how to self,steward ourselves.
So we're protecting the timethat should be sacred.
Whether it's with family or with your, you know, higher being and,
(09:42):
you know, whatever it is.
So finding that balance in thingsand I know you mentioned scrolling
and I can I'm telling you,I find that if I scroll
through on YouTube,
the reels, I don't know why the reels,they seem so addictive.
And I say that, yeah,because it's the voice.
(10:02):
I'm listening to this voice.
And then they have like,they've really got the psychology down
on addictionfor these types of social channels
where you sit here and you realizeI just spent 30, 35 minutes
doing something when I only wantedto see this one little video
and it's it's really something
(10:23):
that can suck time away from yourself.
You know, your spiritual life,your relationships are very scary.
So stewardship is my wordthat I use there.
I love that. That's good. And we do.
We need to we also just need to be aware
and it's also okay sometimes
(10:45):
to to allow ourselves
to sort of be unproductiveor not mindful.
Our minds I believe, need that toothat that rest.
So at the same time we I agreewe need to be stewards of
(11:08):
our time and our energy,but we also shouldn't
spend a lot of timebeating ourselves up for scrolling, right?
Because it's like,oh, we're not allowed to scroll.
And then that's stressful too.
Well, it's like, it's okay.
You know, we're human.
(11:28):
We're going to get addicted.
Yeah.
And but we also have to be hyperaware of it. Right.
So that. Right.
We don't do that.
So that's right.
Right. Consistently. Exactly, exactly.
So at my deskI have one of the things I use to help me
manage my time is I have,you know, the, the sand,
sand timer.
(11:49):
Yeah. Yeah.
And normally we see them as one minute
timers,but I have one that's a five minute one.
So I turn it on to five minutes.
I go, okay, that's it.
When that time runs out,then then it's more visual
and I'm not using my counter on a phoneor anything else.
An hour may look at the timeand then forget to look at the time.
(12:10):
It's really right next to me,and I use that for also productivity on my
Just in my life.
I go, okay, how many emails
can I get out in these five minutesthat have been sitting in my draft folder?
Those are important.
Yes. Yes, absolutely.
Yeah.
But it's also knowing how usas individuals, it's knowing ourselves.
(12:33):
Right.
And it's it's then putting into placewhat is work, what works for us.
And what you said before,like being hyper aware.
The more awarenessthat we can bring to how our mind works
or how our energy flows,this is how we can then,
(12:53):
you know, figure out what we wantand then align
the actions that we take with thatso that we don't end up
feeling guilty or bad or unproductiveor whatever the heck it is that we do that
where we beat ourselves up.
Yeah, women are really bad about that too.
It's yes, we really go and put ourselvesthrough the wringer.
(13:17):
It's taken me a long time to be able,and I wish I had learned it earlier,
you know.
But I would sit here and just agonize,oh, I wish I hadn't done this.
And, you know, I wish I had said this
and I've now learned that no,that's wasted emotion.
Just like process it.
Go learn from it and then let it go. Yep.
(13:37):
Good stuff.
No thanks. I appreciate that.
It just takes it takes so much.
I don't knowif you're a person that learns quickly.
I seem to have been onethat learned, took,
I don't know, maybe ten timesof learning a lesson
to make it go, okay, let's not keepdoing that mistake right.
Yeah, yeah.
(13:58):
Anyway, back over here to Priya Parker.
Her book is.
There is something that's super memorablefrom there.
I'm actually writing down all of theselittle nuggets that you're saying
just because I want to use themin the show description.
Yeah.
Is there something that you rememberfrom her book that you think is worthy of,
repeating?
I'm sure there's plenty there.
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You know what? There is plenty.
And I think that the title,it really says it.
All right, it's it'sthe art of bringing people together,
the art of gathering live.
It could be, you know, virtually as well,
but it's it'ssort of like being very intentional.
(14:39):
And she talks about this throughoutthe book, being intentional about what?
Why you're bringing people togetherand what you are looking to
sort of facilitate within that.
And it doesn't have to befrom a productive standpoint.
This isn't like a business thing.
This can be,you know, as a social gathering,
(15:04):
but it's like, what is the feelingthat you want to elicit from people?
How how do you want to honor
the people that are gathering?
And how do you sort of,you know, set the stage for that?
There is a, gosh,I don't know whether it's in this book or
if I remember this from something else,but but I do think it is from this book.
(15:28):
And of course, I don't rememberthe details, but, there's there's
something about, like, Italian women, like
setting the stage for, like, what?
Like the gathering of the family.
And that oneparticular example stood out to me.
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Because it's mindful.
It's not just like,hey, it's dinner time now.
There's you set, you set the table,you set intentions
and it's like a really great lessonfor life too right.
So what I'm hearing from this is fromthe book the Art of gathering.
(16:10):
It's you said intentionand I love that word too.
That's really being honed in on it.
Pulling people together,that is to be more experienced.
So it creates what we were originallytalking about earlier is an impact.
We want to see thateverything that we do is
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intentional, is a really good wordthat aligns with impact gathering people.
That's about impact.
We just don't want to just show up.
We can and hang out and let'sgo to our college days.
You know, back in the day,there would be times when,
oh, let's get togetherand we'll just relax.
There would be alcohol,there would be music,
(16:52):
there would be lots of friendship.
And so that's the intent is just to relax.
Yeah.
And that's okay.
That's what's coming out of it.
But to set the stage, as you mentioned,it's really about making sure it needs
to be hitting all of those those sensesthat we have to be experiential.
There needs to besomething that we're hearing.
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And maybe that's music in the background,or maybe it's just a planned speech,
if you will.So there's things that are being spoken.
There's things that we're listening to.
There's things that we by having food,you know, that's very experiential.
Right. And you can just just be in that.
It's comforting.Yeah. It's it's comforting.
It's setting the, the environment
(17:37):
so that people can be comfortablein who they are. And
what, you know, why they're,there.
Because we're all even if it's, you know, a very good friend, you
you are invited over for dinneror cocktails or to watch a movie.
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There's always a little anticipation,like.
Right?
There's always like,a tiny bit of of nervousness.
Do I bring something with me?
Is it okay if I just show up as meand the
the really good, host, if you will?
Just
by way of who they are says welcome.
(18:24):
You know, like you,you are welcome here as you are.
And that is very comforting.
I think to other people, like,you don't need to be.
You don't need to be anythingmore than you are.
You don't need to look betterthan you think that you need to.
You don't need to be the perfect guest
and bring the perfect, you know, item.
Like you can just be youand you're welcome.
(18:46):
And that's that's good enough.
In fact, it's great.
Yeah I love that.
So let's talk about what is the experienceto go to a She Leads Conference.
Did you already have your onefor this year.
No it's actually coming up.
Oh my gosh.
Let's talk about it.
What should anyone expect?
Oh my gosh it's very exciting.
So this year is actually the 10thanniversary of our conference.
(19:12):
So this is conference number ten.
We have been we started in 2013.
And if you do the math, that's 11 years.
But we took one yearoff of the conference and it’s funny.
Yeah.
And we actually didn'ttake off the year of Covid.
We did move to virtual.
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And it had always been in person.
And even thoughthe virtual conference was awesome,
I really I took a year off because I said,I don't want to do this virtually again.
It's not the same.
And I, I really had a dilemmawhether I was going
to be moving forwardwith producing the conference at all.
(19:56):
And in 2022
was when we sort of came backlive and in person and in a different way.
I mean, the world is different.
So the conference came backin a different way.
And so this is I guess, our,
you know, third conference post Covid
(20:17):
and now it's it's bigger. It's better.
It's the 10th anniversary. It's two days.
It takes place on October 18thand 19th in New York City
at this incrediblevenue called Civic Hall.
And yeah,
we're just like two dayspacked full of speakers
(20:39):
that are totally dedicatedto women entrepreneurs
and giving us practical,super practical, actionable advice
and inspirationand very much what we're talking about.
The art of gathering the container of theShe Leads
Live Conferenceis very much a container that is
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filled with love.
And I'm going to say thatlike I'm being bold about love,
filled with love.
And, and also,
tips, tools, networking,everything that you need
to take your business to the next level.
(21:20):
That's amazing.
So when people get there,I assume, is it in a hotel?
I don't know where.
What did you tell me?
I wrote a big haul. Yeah.
No, it's a beautiful space, actually.
It is a an event venue
plus a, I don't want to necessarily
(21:43):
say co-working,but it does house other businesses.
So it's, it's a multi-functional spacewhere there are people that are
that are there,you know, all the time, every day
and different conferencesand events, happen there as well.
It's tech forward.
(22:04):
It's actually a brand new building.
One of the investors in it is CraigNewmark from Craigslist.
A lot of the businesses that are housedthere
are, businessesthat are that cater
to underserved audiencesand teach them new tools and technologies.
So that they can, be more represented
(22:26):
in fields like, you know, AI which I knowwe're going to talk about a little bit.
Coding, and digital things like that.
That sounds like somethingeverybody should go to.
Is there, how can theyhow can they find this?
Where did they go to eithersign up or learn more?
Yeah. Thank you.
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So anybody can go to the
She Leads Media.com website.
And then if you click on, She Leads Live
2024, it'll take you into just,
you know, the speaker page and agendaand things like that.
And if you want to just gostraight purchase tickets,
you can go to Eventbrite,and just search up.
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She Leads Live 2024, New York City.
But you can getyou can get there through our website.
Okay. Well, that sounds good.
Is there, some type of a deadlinethat they need to make sure
that they're registering on?
Yeah.
So, our early bird ticket pricing,which is our very best pricing
that ends tomorrow, August 31st
(23:30):
so that this doesn't air tomorrow, but.
Okay. Yeah.
But the the tickets are being sold up
until,you know, the day before the conference.
If there is anybodythat is listening on this podcast
and wants that, early bird pricing,if you DM me on Instagram,
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which is at She Leads Mediaand just let me know
that you heard me and Isabellaon the Intern Whisperer Podcast.
I will honor the early bird pricing.
Whoa, what a deal.
That is a good deal.
Well, I'm going to really push this hardwhen I publish this.
Now, your episode, just so you know,when it's supposed to happen.
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And I don't know, October18th is when you said so.
This is slated to, drop.
I believe it's on the.
Oh, I don't have my, thingin front of me.
I think it's the third week of September,so I'll make sure
that I'm putting it out there,and I'm sharing it all my social channels
so that people will participateand sign up.
(24:36):
Because honestly, I'm sitting there going,I have something that weekend.
Otherwise I would go,Oh no. I am in charge of
and I'm actually facilitating StartupWeekend.
And right.
So, so like I can't goI, I'm next year, next year, next year.
Yes we can plan for that.
But this sounds phenomenaland I would just love to attend.
(24:58):
Plus it'd be nice to see you.
Oh yes okay,so I know you're working on a book.
What is the book that you're workingon? Wow.
I guess this ismaybe the first time that I'm talking
about this in any public way.
Okay. Like, you know, you have time.
Yeah.
So, the the book, the title.
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We're sort of still working out, but,it's really the She Leads Manifesto,
right?
And it's a call to actionto women entrepreneurs to,
to to get seriousand to commit to getting our businesses
past that million dollar markbecause of the impact that it makes
when women have accessto financing and wealth.
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We do good things with it in the world.
Yes, we will buy ourselves nice things,
but once we do that, we more,
we are more likely to pourthat money back into our communities
and to do better things for humanityand the environment overall.
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There are numerous statisticsthat show this,
we make more impactwith the money that we have.
I know that's true.
I know that's true.
You'll find that more women investin things that are the arts,
you know,whether it's music, dance, whatever.
We see that women are as, as just females.
(26:28):
We're very nurturing.
I don't want to stereotypeus all into one area, but, you know, God
gave us the ability to have babies becausewe're obviously more nurturing than Men.
And so that's what they're.
And we love it. We love the men.
You know,there's and that's the other thing
I want to be, like super clearabout everything that we do at She Leads.
It is definitely in support of women.
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But that doesn't mean that it is notin support of men because we love men.
Absolutely. Yes, absolutely.
I'm just saying that we're the one onesthat get to have the baby.
Well we're awesome,
and very nurturing.
And yes, we need mento be our advocates and also help,
you know, sometimes open the doors for uswhere we can't.
So, you know,they are certainly, key people
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in, in both businessand in personal lives on.
Honestly.
Yep. Okay.
So we know thatwe can go to this conference.
We can also I'm going to assume maybethat book might be out by the conference.
Will it a part of the book will be outby the conference.
We're trying.
Yeah, we're trying to get the book outfor the conference, but I'm not 100%
sure that that's going to happen.
(27:33):
Well, what I hope you haveis some type of a workbook that is,
you know,easily digested during the conference
and then that will help promotethose ticket sales or the book sales.
Both. Yes, yes.
Thank you.
Amazing, wonderful, wonderful.
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Now in the second half of our show,we always focus on the future of.
We didn't even finish the stuffthat we had slated on the first part.
So we're going to be going througha whole lot of things here.
(28:16):
I found this article, from the Guardianabout how smart phones,
which, you know, as I said, smartphones,they're not a phone.
It's a computer.
It's the size of your palm,
but we call it a phone because that'sone of the many things it can do.
How it can actually disconnectingfrom technology.
There's just they haven't even started toeven break through a lot of the research
(28:40):
about the effectand the impact smartphones have on us,
because I know in social feedsthere's some things
when I go to a social feed it,it can make me feel bad about myself.
But I digress.
I want to read one little quoteI pulled from the book.
Connection.
The ability to connect transcends
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being a mere, prelude to content delivery,
the process implementation,the transactions complete,
all of these are things that can happenin connection.
But, you know, we're looking atwhy people may feel alienated.
And if they're not feeling connectedto the person that's over here saying,
(29:21):
oh, look at how much moneyI made this year, $2 million.
And oh, look, I'm traveling hereand there and here.
I may not be able to connect itbecause I don't live it.
I am actually dreaming of it.
Maybe some of it, but I'm not living it.
It forms this bedrock uponwhich everything else is constructed.
It makes it so that sometimesreal connections are established.
(29:46):
But, you know, real connections are alwaysin person is what this article is about,
the ability to go back towhat were you talking about
in the first half of the show,of the human connection, the human touch,
the ability to, have food together,the smelling just of the food,
you know, somebody wonderfulChanel perfume, whatever it is.
(30:08):
Right.
The more experiential
we can have experiences that we had,the more memorable that meeting is.
So what are your thoughts about,social media
and the impact that it can have on usboth positive and negative.
Yeah.
And I think we said this before. Right.
It's it's I guess, anything.
(30:29):
Right. It's it's good.
It has its good qualities.
And it can also be very negative.
Like you mentioned, you know,perhaps you're looking at something
and it's triggering for whatever reason.
And it starts to make you feel badabout yourself.
Right?
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That I, I believe that aspect of it is
insidious for kids
that are trying to figure out who they areand their identity.
Yeah, it's you know, and there's
no way.
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I mean, I guess there is a way.
You don't you know,
you don't allow your childrento have any access to these things.
But, when kids do have access to these things,
there's sort of no way for youto prevent that from happening.
And I don't think that
the technology was designed
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to harm children or people,
but maybe the
I think that some of the people that have
the larger businesses that are profitingoff of it, it's in their best interest
to have us addicted to these thingsbecause you can monetize addiction, right?
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Yeah. Drugs.
Yeah.All of these things that are out there.
Yeah.
But it's not a good it'snot, it's not good, but it is what it is.
So it goes back to what you said.
Like we need to be stewardsof our attention and our intentionality.
Just like with drugs. Right.
They're available for everybodyto get addicted to.
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But you say to yourself,
that's not for
me, you know, and this technology,this computer in the palm of our hands
is fairly new in our human evolution.
So we have to learn how to modulateand, and,
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you know, train ourselvesto not get addicted to it.
We don't know what we're doing right now.
We're just like lambsbeing led to slaughter.
And we're doing it where we are,like, take me,
you know, take me to the guillotine
because we are so obsessed with everythingthat's going on.
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And it's it's fun in a lot of ways.
Just like, you know,and just like with drugs, right?
They're they're amazingwhen you're doing them.
And I'm not I don't do drugs.
I'm just saying they're amazingwhen you're doing them until
you come down off the high enduntil your life is ruined.
Then they're not so good anymore.
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Yeah,because they can cost a lot of money.
I yeah, I don't I've never done pot.
I must be one of the few peoplein all of America that's never done it.
But I also don't drink.
And I also, you know,
there were things that I never didjust because I didn't want to.
But in my family,my grandfather was an alcoholic.
So that made an impression on me andmade me go, hey, I don't want to drink.
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You know, my youngest brotherdied of a drug overdose.
That made me go, no,
you know, it even cemented it more in methat, no, those things are bad.
Just because I lost a personthat was important to me.
Awful.That's so awful. I'm so sorry. Yeah.
Thank you.
But smartphones
and just diving into the whole of social content, the people
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that put it out have a responsibilityto think about the impact.
And it might just be onethat's self-serving for them.
They're making money off of allof these people that sign up to be Amazon.
I saw something that came through my feedlast night.
Be an Amazon influencer and they'llthey'll send you all kinds of free stuff
and you're able to sell itand that could be for the kitchen.
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It could be for, you know, clothes.
It can be a whole lot of things.
But if you're always on this,that becomes your job is to.
Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that.
And I thought about it for a minute too,and I went, do I want to do this?
And, you know,how do I feel about all of this?
And I want I don't know, thatbecomes something that's full time.
And then if you don't havea more diversified way of making money,
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then okay, then I'm, I'm outand I'm starting all over.
It's like, it's a business.
Definitely is a business to be an impact.
You know, getting back over here on trackbecause we
we had a number of things here.
The impact that we all haveis is huge in our lives
and we'd never really thinkabout that impact.
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So one of the other thingsthat came out of this article,
it said that, that they were studying.
Let me get back to my notes here.
There was a
study that was publishedin the Journal of Experimental
Social Psychology, and it revealedthat even fleeting connections
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with strangers can boost our moodand our overall well-being.
But in the professional sphere,a Gallup study found that
having a close friend at work can increaseemployee engagement up to seven times.
That was amazing to methat that was possible.
Those the and I know that's truebecause when I go to the grocery store
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and somebody is looking at a productI might be holding, is that any good?
And I go, oh yeah, I think it's amazing.
And this is why I becamea micro influencer.
I just either made somebody,be influenced enough to go, oh,
I want to buy this just because.They're a I'm a complete stranger.
Yeah, but yeah, in your workplaceover here, you're having a conference,
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you're going to have thousands of peopleattending this conference of women
that are engaging in.
They're they're going to, you know,see people they'd known in the past
ten years is a lot of timeto have an amazing conference.
And then they'll make new friends.
All of those types of experiences,you know, have a big impact.
And then you have the speakers.
So, you know, there's levels of engagementthat's happening at your conference.
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And that I've gone to conferences
and every time I come back from I go, oh,I have all of these things I want to do.
It can be so overwhelming.
But yeah, I'msure you account for all of these things.
Yeah.
And it's actually one of the reasonsthat we are going to be announcing
something at the conferencein order to keep people
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engaged with each otherthroughout the year.
Because there it is.
It's like,
you know, it'slike such a surge of excitement and energy
and wanting toto do all of these things and,
and having this heart connectionwith these different people
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that you want to do businesswith and everything.
And then everybody gets back into theireveryday life.
It just happens,you know, whether we want it to or not.
And some of those connections, you know, get farther away from us.
So I want to make surethat those connections remain strong
and that we continue to sort of bein this women's
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entrepreneurial ecosystem together,because that's where the power is.
So we're going to be announcing something
in order to be ableto keep everybody together like that.
But I'll reserve thatfor sure for October.
Yeah.
I loveI love that that's really wonderful.
Something else I foundthat was very interesting in the,
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game spacewas, again, more research here.
There were some researchers from EdgehillUniversity and University of New York.
Coward.
The professor had studiedmore than 700 players of massively
multiplayeronline games, also known as MMO.
The sample ranged from gamerswho played as little
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as one hour per weekto those who played 30 hours or more.
The team found that the MMO engagementcorrelated
to a stronger sense of social identity,or how people self-identified
based on their affiliation to groupswhich correspond with higher self-esteem,
more social competence,and lower levels of loneliness.
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You know, I run in the game space.
Also, I have, you know, a
game on steam, shameless plug right nowand turn pursuit game.
Go play it.
Third person tower defense.
And I note thank you.
And I know that because I work outof a co-working space for game developers.
And it's very true.
Their relationship in this space,in the co-working space is amazing,
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but even still, they use discord a lot.
That's the server of choicefor, engagement.
They are very, very active in there.
So sometimes I wonder, is itbecause people
that play things online are maybe more,
I'll say introverted in their,social skills.
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So where they feel more comfortableis just in the online community.
It doesn't require the same amountof energy as being in person.
I don't know what are your thoughts?
You have boys that play games, you said.
Yeah, it's super interesting.
Yeah, I definitely think that there'sprobably
an aspect of introversionthat is part of this.
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But the other thing that I thinkis super interesting and,
I'm just
tryingto think back because I took a class
when I went for my MBA,which was a very long time ago.
And it was called Game Theory.
And one of the things that is
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super interesting is like,who wins, right?
Like, where's the winner?
And I think in these massivemultiple player
games that everybody yes,you might be playing individually,
but there's a greater mission
to accomplish right, in these games.
(40:42):
Right?
Especially when you play on teamsand things like that.
So I can see that you have greatersocial connection
because you're all trying to get pasta level or,
you know, to to do this next thing
and everybody's sort of in it together.
And so there's a greater senseof like camaraderie.
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And I know that like my younger son,has throughout college,
he started in, in high school playingwhatever the heck game.
It's probably not the best game.
I'm sure it's like a shootem up game, which whatever.
Number one,
I know that that relieve stress for him,which is weird, but it does.
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And he has been able to keep in touch
with a lot of his, like,middle school and high school friends,
even though they're going to collegein different places and everything.
When they get online togetherto play the game
and they are like on a team togetherto do whatever they're doing,
there is a sense of bonding there, right?
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So it's like, yes, well,like when we went to college,
we left our for the most part,we left our high school friends behind.
Right.
And everybody went on and they, they,you know, maybe
you see people when you come back homefor Thanksgiving or something like that.
But in today's world,you can keep in touch by talking to people
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or texting people.
But sometimes that's, you know,you're not on the same page.
You're not, you know,you're not doing the same thing.
But when you come togetherand you're both playing the same game
for the same reason,it creates like deeper bonds.
And so that's what I think ofwhen I think of like, why
people feel more socially connectedbecause they're they're honest.
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They're on a similar missiontogether there.
And they're able to again,like almost like
just be themselves
and doing something that because gameshave a sense of accomplishment.
So there's dopamine in that.
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I set out to do something.
I partnered together with some somebodyon a team or a whole bunch of people.
We all are on this missionto accomplish this thing.
We did it together.
Yeah.
Similar to things that are militaryI'll use something else.
Because now this one's more in personrelationship focused.
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But I, I agreeI absolutely agree with you.
I was in a sorority when I was in college,
and I, lived in the house,
and I did, we always did stuff together.
We ate together, we lived together.
We, you know, everythingthat was social was together.
And I feel like what you're describingis that similar experience
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years later,I am no longer in the sorority,
but every time I meet anybody,no matter if they, I don't know them,
but I just see thatAOP across on their shirt,
I sort of go, oh, you and I are the same.
So yes, even that instance of what you'redescribing, it does make me feel,
(43:55):
a closeness because
there's a shared experiencefrom a previous time.
Exactly. Yeah.
I hadn't thought about that before.
Until you bring up this, this sense of,you know, of what
I wrote down, what you said, camaraderieand a higher level of connection.
And I go, oh, so maybe that'swhere games have identified that,
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even more closely from, like, the militaryand from this long history of games
and how that actually does helpto bring people together.
Absolutely.
Well, that would make sensebecause with complete strangers on social,
even though I might be in a sharedcommunity, I don't always feel the same
because we're not eating together.We're not.
(44:38):
It's still not the same.
There's always something that's missing.
So to build a community, we'll be ableto see that's where we create impact.
Yeah.
When you do things together, I another,
just really quick, person that I admiregreatly.
Gina. Bianchini. Oh, I have her book.
Oh. She's amazing.
Yes. And I am a mighty networkalso like you.
(45:00):
Amazing.
So she she talks about,
you know, the the very best communities
they are in community
because they want to make some typeof transformation together.
So sort of like the best thing you can dofor that is to,
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you know, make this the best year ever or,or take actions together so
that everybody is doing like a challenge,like that type of stuff, things where,
you know, you might be fivesteps, steps ahead of me,
but we're all marching towardthis one thing that binds us together.
(45:41):
That is what community is about.
And that's the type of communitythat people want to be in.
Socialmedia oftentimes is very individualistic.
And so you're watching someone elsedo something and then you're not a
part of it.
You're just like a watcherand even though it could be inspiring,
you're not participatingwith that person in something.
(46:04):
So that I think the the challengeaspect of it and the doing things
together, that's the key componentof what makes a community, special.
I agree with you.
I, I am on that train with you now.
Yes, I am totally agree with you.
So we're going to be, coming herepretty close to the end of the show here.
I just want to make sure,I'm going to hope we're still good.
(46:27):
Yes. Perfect.
So, something else.
That one more thing that I'll pull in herethat I found is that,
I put all of these quotes in herethat you said.
This is really good stuff.
We talked about,
so howdo people step away from their phones?
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If our whole lives are tied to them?
We pay through them.We learn through them.
You know, this is how we can go to school.
We don't need TVs anymore.
We don't need to have a monitor.
We can do everything.
It's on demandand it's always in our lives.
Whether it's go to school,worship in church, go to, social
gatherings, Covid changed itso that we couldn't be together.
(47:12):
And that was like really hardfor everybody.
There was no choice.
Then there wasn't the choice
to just be on a phoneand just not have to deal with people.
Or there wasthere was not the choice of no, I need,
I need to be with people I know I do, because that's where I get my energy from.
And then if I have to do itthrough my phone, it leads for me
(47:35):
to feelings of depressionand things like that.
So where do you think that you can see,
that type of impact,
that social contentthat everything in this phone can,
can do in our lives, you know,how do we step away from the phone
if we're going to be ableto keep our lives on track?
(47:56):
Yeah. It's so funny.
I just just recently saw this.
It's, it's a Pew Research study,and it's from the beginning of this year,
according to a new Pew Research study,74% of teens
say they feel happierwithout their smartphone,
while another 72%say they feel more peaceful.
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And I think that it's a matter
of being mindful, intentionaland setting boundaries, right.
That the other, thing that I had readthe other day
was that when you pick up your phoneright away in the morning,
you're coming outof that state of sleeping.
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So your brain is in a lower,
frequency, and it takes,between a half an hour and an hour
for your brainto move through the different waves
so that you can operate at this, like,
higher functioning,you know, brain activity.
But you need that timein order for your body
(49:02):
to wake up, your brain to wake upwhen you pick up your phone immediately.
First thing when you wake up, you
you shoot your brain from thatsleepy state into that state of, of,
you know, operatingat a higher wavelength.
And so you skip the stepsand what that does to your body,
is it it immediately causes stress.
(49:24):
And it might not be stressthat you necessarily feel, but your brain,
it's like going from, you know, 0 to 60without anything in between.
And we are not we are not sports cars.
We are human beingsthat need to move through those stages
in orderfor us to maintain our homeostasis.
And all of the,the, the good things. Right.
(49:47):
It's like you wake up and you see a,you know, a grizzly bear on top of you
and you go immediately into fightor flight.
Yes, it's going to save your life.
But if you do this repeatedly every day,you are harming yourself.
So the best thing that this articlesuggested that you do
is that you do notlook at your phone at all,
(50:10):
any type of screen at all,for at least 30 minutes to 1 hour.
When you wake up in the morningand you will be less stressed
and you'll give your your brainthe time that it needs to.
I guess, for lack of a better word,like warm up and you will.
You will just be better.
You will feel better.
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I like that a lot.
I'm going to go find that author.
I think it sounds really interesting.
I tried that yesterday.
I know we had talked about thatand I did notice that I felt different.
I didn't feel likeI was having to rush out the door.
I mean, I was aware of what time I wassupposed to be up and what was going on
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because I checked the day beforeI had planned for it.
And so I think that's
one of the key things that,you know, we can do is that we can
if we're going to step awayfrom our phones, we need to plan for that
so that we're going to be feeling like,oh, okay, I'm in the right place.
I know what's expected of me.
And you're not going into that fightor flight thing
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that you had mentioned before.
I think that's truly significant.
The other thing that I noticed aboutit is not only did I feel more
relaxed going in, I did not do that today,but I that's where I could,
you know, definitely say,oh, that's an experiment, right?
It's an experiment.
And I went, okay,so now I can see what the advantage was.
(51:35):
And aside fromthat, it made me more aware,
aware as
to the power of that phoneall my life in that just one day.
And by comparing itto, well, this is intentional,
I'm not going to look at it.
And the next day going,okay, I'm not going to worry about
just looking at my phone
and it right away.
(51:56):
So hopefully our listeners will hearwhat it is that you were just sharing
and they'll realize, wow,that was significant.
And that one little action can createa giant impact in my life moving forward.
Absolutely. Yeah.
This is all really good stuff today.
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Adrian.
I love everythingthat we're talking about here.
So and I'm making sure I'mbeing aware of mutual schedules here.
One more thing I'm going to mention.
I usually mention this.
It was October 8th of last year.
That was my birthday too. That was. Yes.
Pretty excited too. Libra! Yes.
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So there was this gentleman here.
His name is Geoffrey Hinton.
He is the godfather of AI,and he was interviewed on 60 minutes.
And you know,I just happened to be watching that show.
And he said, you know,he invented it back in the 60s.
And his fear is that one of the waysin which these systems I might escape
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control is by writing their own computercode to modify themselves.
And that's somethingthat we need to seriously worry about.
His quote, and I find that interestingbecause, again,
people can use tools like AI.
And this was something elsewe talked about.
You know, earlierwhen we had our call last week, is like
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we begin to become lazy.
We we rely on tools.
Yes, they can make us efficient and yes,they can.
And to me, I
when you look at ChatGPTand the other things that are out there,
similar competitors,
what they do is they take all knowledgein the world of Google, every browser,
(53:41):
and they consolidated into one platformwhere it can give you that giant search
I don't have to search for,you know, as many hours as maybe I did.
But itcan consolidate it all into whatever.
ExactlyI'm looking for based on that prompt.
And I find that interesting, too,because I went, well,
(54:01):
that's nothing to be afraid of.That's exactly it.
But it does learn from our searcheseven more and more and more
to give a better result.
So what are your thoughtsabout Geoffrey Hinton?
What his quote was, anything you want tojust, you know, comment on?
Yeah, we talked about this in my class
or a lot,because I teach entrepreneurship.
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And so there is the aspect of likehow do you leverage
some of these new technologies and,you know, create businesses out of them.
But then also,
how can some of these technologieshelp you to grow your business and,
you know, help get you unstuckand things like that, like anything else?
And what what we've been talking about,there's, you know, there's the,
(54:48):
the dark sideand then there's the opportunity.
And I can understand his quotewhere at a certain point,
this I can get so smart that it startsdoing things that are sort of
like out of control and against humanityand that type of,
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evolution is bad, right?
Because if it can start doing thingsthat it's going to eradicate
humanity from the
face of the earth,then then yes, that's a bad thing.
Protections have got to be put into place.
You know, things that protect people'sprivacy and make sure that,
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the inputs are, are equal
and not doing anything to harm any group.
There there are so many protectionsthat need to be put into place.
It can go out of control.
So yeah, I think that that that's scaryto think about that.
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And I also think that there is a lot of,
good and positivethat can come out of it as well.
But we have to make sure that those inputs
that they are not biasedin any way whatsoever.
And we again, we need to be mindful
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of what these tools are and how they are
helping us as humanity or harming us.
I think the, one of the things
not everybody always puts this on therebecause some people sell their lists.
Right.
And the ability to opt out of being,having your, your name,
your information shared withpeople is key.
(56:34):
I think in terms and conditions,when people create
whatever they're creating,there needs to be the ability
to just right off the bat, say, no, don't
I agree to your terms,but don't share my information?
Yeah, that's going to changea lot of ways that people make money,
because if you cannot access my
(56:56):
information,then I can no longer be targeted to sell.
Whatever.
My favorite thing is from sprouts,which is this remedy
turmeric beverage that I just love.
Yeah.
Like now I no longer get that.
And and then I'm not agreeingto have my privacy, taken away from me
(57:16):
by listening through my phoneas to what my conversations are.
Because people don't readterms and conditions, and that is one way
that I think thatbusinesses are are not being
they don't have the consumer in mind.
They have the their profit margin in mind.
And that's wrong.
So I feel like ethics within a companyis obviously important, and making sure
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that the impact that they are creatingis one that they're going to be proud of.
That's not going to harm their childrenand their grandchildren
as they move forward.
And, you know, we'll be dead and gone.
But you know what?
This impacts the future.
Yeah, people.
So I don't think that they're thinkingthrough all of those.
They're just thinking aboutwhat does it make right now.
(58:04):
Yeah. Yeah.
And that's that's sometimesjust being human too, right.
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Well, this has been delightful.
How can well, let's do this one.
I always like doing this question.
What is the best mentoring advicethat you would like to share?
Because the one you sharedpreviously can be different from this one.
(58:24):
So I have mentoring advice.
I have probably 100 of them that I share,so I don't think that were
limited to just one.
Yeah.
I don't remember what I said last time.
And so you don't have to know.
No, I think mine's
a little too partone is run your own race.
(58:46):
And by that I mean don't be so influencedby what other people are doing
or where they arethat you start beating yourself up.
So run your own raceand do everything that you can
to build your network and relationships,
because that is truly how things get done.
(59:07):
And I've seen that over and over.
So the younger that you can bein building out that network and,
and really cherishingthat network of relationships,
I just think the, the, the better offthat you are going to be
and I'm goingto I'm going to give a third one, okay.
(59:29):
Because
those two are so important.
I agreethis one is probably the most important.
And I've been saying thisto a lot of young people.
The compoundingeffect of interest is real.
So if you startinvesting on a regular basis,
it doesn't have to be a lot of money.
But if you start investing as earlyas you can, you have time on your side
(59:53):
so that you can build your wealth
so that by the time that you're 30,40, 50, that you are not struggling
financially and all it takesis maybe 20 bucks a week.
Yeah,
I did that.
I use acorns and I started withI have no savings.
So, you know, is what I realized thatI went, you know what, I'm going to start
(01:00:13):
and I just put $10 a monthand I cannot even believe, like,
whoa, look at how much money I havein $10 a month.
So $20 a week.
Yep. Yes.
And imagine when you if you started when you were 20.
Oh, God. Yeah.I don't even want to think about that.
But yes, you know,I know that I could take that same
philosophy and go, well,I can start today.
(01:00:34):
So that's right. I'm going to do now.
So I don't want to go back towhen I was 20,
because that's like a bigger number,but I can do it today.
So now you've motivated me.
Just so you know,your impact was I'm going to go change it
so that it's not $10a month, it's going to be more
and it's going to be on a weekly basis.I love it.
Yeah.
Well, and it could still be
what I would do on a weekly basis,but by the month it doesn't matter.
(01:00:56):
The goal is that you impacted meand I'm going to go change what I do.
So thank you, thank you,thank you for this opportunity.
And thank you for the impact
that you're making byjust having this podcast in general,
even if you know one person takes awaysomething that positively changes
their life, then that is incredibleand that's the impact that you're having.
(01:01:19):
So thank you for having your podcast.
Oh thank you.
What social channels other than LinkedIn?
Because I share LinkedInand I've got your website up here.
What other social channelwould you like us to include?
Instagram would be great.
And, it's just, you know, at she leadsmedia is is our handle okay.
And she leads media.
(01:01:41):
Got it.
Okay.
And then, yeah, I look forward to havingmore conversations later with you.
So let's get to let's keep this,whole dialog going on
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My name is Isabella Johnston,the host of the Intern Whisperer podcast,
which is brought to you
by Employers 4 Changethat helps hiring teams reduce employer
hiring bias and increase competency,skill recruitment and learning.
So today's guest is somebody that'sbeen on my show before, Adrienne Garland.
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She's the CEO of She Leads Media.
Adrienne is the producer ofShe Leads Media conference
for women entrepreneurs and leaders.
She's the host of theseShe Leads Podcast, an adjunct professor
of entrepreneurshipat NYU, and Rice, and a book publisher.
She was a previous gueston the Intern Whisperer, and you can watch
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or listen to that first interviewby visiting Employers 4 Change
YouTube channel, and stream or streamfrom your favorite podcast channel.
It's seasonfive, episode 218 of The Intern Whisperer
to hear more about her careerpath and thoughts about 2030.
Today'sshow is going to be very different though.
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So yeah, I'm so glad that you're back.
So, we're going to talk aboutlearning technology
and future of industries,but also about impact.
We had a call about this earlier.
So but before we do that, let's talka little bit more to hear more
about what your conference is.
I haven't been I want to go,but tell all of my listeners about it.
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Oh, and by the way,we officially hit 15,000 downloads.
So so my gosh, congratulations.
That is such an accomplishmentas coming from another podcast star
and just sort of being in that world.
I think people think that it's real easyto, you know, get thousands
and thousands of downloads and it's not.
So congratulations.
Thank you.
Thank you I appreciate it.
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Okay.
So what is She Leads Media.
Let's just start with that. Sure.Thank you so much.
And I really appreciate itbeing a returning guest on your show
I feel so honored.
So thank you so much for this opportunity.
So She Leads Media.We are a media company.
And, you know, hopefully one daywe will be a much bigger media company.
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But we're super focused on womenand helping women
to get their voices, thoughtsand opinions out into the world.
So she leads media, createsthese opportunities
for women to share their stories,their thoughts, their opinions
through things like our annual conference,
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our podcast network, and, you know, ushelping women to start podcasts,
we help women to get their,thought leadership
solidifiedthrough books and book publishing.
And we also help womenwith, public relations,
media training and marketing.
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So it's a lot. Yeah, a very busy woman.
Very busy.
But this idea is like,how do you create your own platform
to get your thought leadershipand expertise out there?
And then how do you leveragethe other media channels that are outside
of your own platformso that you can amplify, your message?
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And we really believe thatentrepreneurship is sort of the answer
for women in order to,
make an impact inthe world and create wealth.
So I know how we met and
it was through Kid Gostaupson and,please tell me and said his name.
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Right? Right. Yep.
Okay, great.
He is a fellow publisher,and I'm not sure how you guys met,
but when he introduced me to you,it was to participate in a workshop,
a pilot program that you were doingabout publishing a book.
And I love that you focus on women,in thought leadership.
I believe I am
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that also, and I am working on a bookwe talked about that a little bit.
Were both podcastersgetting your message out there?
There's so many ways to do it now.
And you are tappinginto all of those potential markets.
Yeah. So what do you like the best?
Well, I love podcasting.
I mean, I it's so much fun.
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And it is this medium
that allows you to sort of talk to anyonearound the world because you do not need
to be in person with with whoever you're,you're speaking with.
I also do love doing solo episodesfrom time to time
because it's fun to sort of just riffon, on certain things.
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So I, I love this idea
that I can talkto these incredible people.
And then the other thing that I love,I mean, I think I love it all,
but I do love the conferencesand being able to then
like, let's say there's a guestthat's on my show and then she's a speaker
at my conference,being able to meet someone face
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to face and exchange that energy, live.
Yeah it is, it's unmatched.
I think what's so greatabout going to conferences
and and they do tie togetherpodcast conferences and books.
It's they're all about an experiencein some way.
And the more that you're able to eitherlisten and watch, that's
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a good experience, the more that you can,actually hold the book and read.
And maybe even if it's audiobookand have the book, it becomes
something that's been touchedand listened and viewed.
But when you go to a conference,you can't hug people like you can,
and the other things you can in conferenceand you get to shake hands.
You get to hug people that you've knownfor a while, and it's just so much richer.
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I think that experienceso I really feel like what you're,
you have createdas your little media, mogul
that's joining,you know, turning into a giant is the fact
that you're, you're hitting thingsthat should be experiential.
Yes, absolutely.
I mean, and I think there's
also some type of magic that happens
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when women specifically get together.
And it's something that I am very proud
to be able to sort of createthat in environment.
You know, I Priya Parker,who wrote the book the Art of gathering,
she talks about how,
you know, people have this abilityto curate
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different experiences and have,you know, sort of,
try to create different outcomesby bringing people together.
And that book came out,I don't know, a couple of years ago.
And I read it and I thought, wow, this isthis is what I do.
Right?
Like, ever since I was in,you know, high school or even middle
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school, like bringing togethermy friends, like having a party,
you know,just kind of creating the environment
for people to be who they areis something that I feel like
I have a knack for, just creating that beautiful space
to allow people to exchange thoughtsand have fun and and all of it.
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And that is that'swhat the conference is about.
That's even what my podcast is about.
Right.
It's just a different medium.
And same thing with with books.
It's giving someone the spaceto share their, their story
and their their thoughts and do so in a,
you know, a format that is very intimate.
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You know,
I pulled her book upand it's a beautiful cover.
I don't know if you were responsible
for that also,since you're in that publishing realm.
But it's beautiful.
I cannot wait.
I'm going to reach out to herjust because of your recommendation,
because it looks like it's fun,but it has to be about creating impact.
And I know that's one of the major themesthat you and I talked about that
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we really want to focus on in this podcastis creating impact, understanding
that this is, what has to stayhuman is the real relationship.
We can't be relying on social channels
or things that are just,
supplements.
They're secondaryto the actual human connection.
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Yeah, yeah, there are surface and it'sI think we talked about this too.
There's a place for everything. Right.
And I found myself
last night scrolling through TikTokor Instagram Reels or
something like that, and there are thingsthat are like, super funny.
And they're entertainment
that some of the social channelsaren't meant for.
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The things that we are trying toto do necessarily,
some of them are and some some of them usethose mediums really, really well.
Like maybe some short clipsthat educate you on,
you know, communication styleor something like that.
So it's it's hard to be able to vilifylike social media
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because there is some goodthat can come out of it.
But there is definitelylike the dark side right.
Yeah, yeah.
And that comes under the for mestewardship.
We need to learn how to self,steward ourselves.
So we're protecting the timethat should be sacred.
Whether it's with family or with your, you know, higher being and,
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you know, whatever it is.
So finding that balance in thingsand I know you mentioned scrolling
and I can I'm telling you,I find that if I scroll
through on YouTube,
the reels, I don't know why the reels,they seem so addictive.
And I say that, yeah,because it's the voice.
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I'm listening to this voice.
And then they have like,they've really got the psychology down
on addictionfor these types of social channels
where you sit here and you realizeI just spent 30, 35 minutes
doing something when I only wantedto see this one little video
and it's it's really something
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that can suck time away from yourself.
You know, your spiritual life,your relationships are very scary.
So stewardship is my wordthat I use there.
I love that. That's good. And we do.
We need to we also just need to be aware
and it's also okay sometimes
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to to allow ourselves
to sort of be unproductiveor not mindful.
Our minds I believe, need that toothat that rest.
So at the same time we I agreewe need to be stewards of
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our time and our energy,but we also shouldn't
spend a lot of timebeating ourselves up for scrolling, right?
Because it's like,oh, we're not allowed to scroll.
And then that's stressful too.
Well, it's like, it's okay.
You know, we're human.
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We're going to get addicted.
Yeah.
And but we also have to be hyperaware of it. Right.
So that. Right.
We don't do that.
So that's right.
Right. Consistently. Exactly, exactly.
So at my deskI have one of the things I use to help me
manage my time is I have,you know, the, the sand,
sand timer.
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Yeah. Yeah.
And normally we see them as one minute
timers,but I have one that's a five minute one.
So I turn it on to five minutes.
I go, okay, that's it.
When that time runs out,then then it's more visual
and I'm not using my counter on a phoneor anything else.
An hour may look at the timeand then forget to look at the time.
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It's really right next to me,and I use that for also productivity on my
Just in my life.
I go, okay, how many emails
can I get out in these five minutesthat have been sitting in my draft folder?
Those are important.
Yes. Yes, absolutely.
Yeah.
But it's also knowing how usas individuals, it's knowing ourselves.
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Right.
And it's it's then putting into placewhat is work, what works for us.
And what you said before,like being hyper aware.
The more awarenessthat we can bring to how our mind works
or how our energy flows,this is how we can then,
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you know, figure out what we wantand then align
the actions that we take with thatso that we don't end up
feeling guilty or bad or unproductiveor whatever the heck it is that we do that
where we beat ourselves up.
Yeah, women are really bad about that too.
It's yes, we really go and put ourselvesthrough the wringer.
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It's taken me a long time to be able,and I wish I had learned it earlier,
you know.
But I would sit here and just agonize,oh, I wish I hadn't done this.
And, you know, I wish I had said this
and I've now learned that no,that's wasted emotion.
Just like process it.
Go learn from it and then let it go. Yep.
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Good stuff.
No thanks. I appreciate that.
It just takes it takes so much.
I don't knowif you're a person that learns quickly.
I seem to have been onethat learned, took,
I don't know, maybe ten timesof learning a lesson
to make it go, okay, let's not keepdoing that mistake right.
Yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, back over here to Priya Parker.
Her book is.
There is something that's super memorablefrom there.
I'm actually writing down all of theselittle nuggets that you're saying
just because I want to use themin the show description.
Yeah.
Is there something that you rememberfrom her book that you think is worthy of,
repeating?
I'm sure there's plenty there.
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You know what? There is plenty.
And I think that the title,it really says it.
All right, it's it'sthe art of bringing people together,
the art of gathering live.
It could be, you know, virtually as well,
but it's it'ssort of like being very intentional.
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And she talks about this throughoutthe book, being intentional about what?
Why you're bringing people togetherand what you are looking to
sort of facilitate within that.
And it doesn't have to befrom a productive standpoint.
This isn't like a business thing.
This can be,you know, as a social gathering,
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but it's like, what is the feelingthat you want to elicit from people?
How how do you want to honor
the people that are gathering?
And how do you sort of,you know, set the stage for that?
There is a, gosh,I don't know whether it's in this book or
if I remember this from something else,but but I do think it is from this book.
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And of course, I don't rememberthe details, but, there's there's
something about, like, Italian women, like
setting the stage for, like, what?
Like the gathering of the family.
And that oneparticular example stood out to me.
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Because it's mindful.
It's not just like,hey, it's dinner time now.
There's you set, you set the table,you set intentions
and it's like a really great lessonfor life too right.
So what I'm hearing from this is fromthe book the Art of gathering.
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It's you said intentionand I love that word too.
That's really being honed in on it.
Pulling people together,that is to be more experienced.
So it creates what we were originallytalking about earlier is an impact.
We want to see thateverything that we do is
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intentional, is a really good wordthat aligns with impact gathering people.
That's about impact.
We just don't want to just show up.
We can and hang out and let'sgo to our college days.
You know, back in the day,there would be times when,
oh, let's get togetherand we'll just relax.
There would be alcohol,there would be music,
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there would be lots of friendship.
And so that's the intent is just to relax.
Yeah.
And that's okay.
That's what's coming out of it.
But to set the stage, as you mentioned,it's really about making sure it needs
to be hitting all of those those sensesthat we have to be experiential.
There needs to besomething that we're hearing.
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And maybe that's music in the background,or maybe it's just a planned speech,
if you will.So there's things that are being spoken.
There's things that we're listening to.
There's things that we by having food,you know, that's very experiential.
Right. And you can just just be in that.
It's comforting.Yeah. It's it's comforting.
It's setting the, the environment
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so that people can be comfortablein who they are. And
what, you know, why they're,there.
Because we're all even if it's, you know, a very good friend, you
you are invited over for dinneror cocktails or to watch a movie.
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There's always a little anticipation,like.
Right?
There's always like,a tiny bit of of nervousness.
Do I bring something with me?
Is it okay if I just show up as meand the
the really good, host, if you will?
Just
by way of who they are says welcome.
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You know, like you,you are welcome here as you are.
And that is very comforting.
I think to other people, like,you don't need to be.
You don't need to be anythingmore than you are.
You don't need to look betterthan you think that you need to.
You don't need to be the perfect guest
and bring the perfect, you know, item.
Like you can just be youand you're welcome.
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And that's that's good enough.
In fact, it's great.
Yeah I love that.
So let's talk about what is the experienceto go to a She Leads Conference.
Did you already have your onefor this year.
No it's actually coming up.
Oh my gosh.
Let's talk about it.
What should anyone expect?
Oh my gosh it's very exciting.
So this year is actually the 10thanniversary of our conference.
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So this is conference number ten.
We have been we started in 2013.
And if you do the math, that's 11 years.
But we took one yearoff of the conference and it’s funny.
Yeah.
And we actually didn'ttake off the year of Covid.
We did move to virtual.
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And it had always been in person.
And even thoughthe virtual conference was awesome,
I really I took a year off because I said,I don't want to do this virtually again.
It's not the same.
And I, I really had a dilemmawhether I was going
to be moving forwardwith producing the conference at all.
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And in 2022
was when we sort of came backlive and in person and in a different way.
I mean, the world is different.
So the conference came backin a different way.
And so this is I guess, our,
you know, third conference post Covid
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and now it's it's bigger. It's better.
It's the 10th anniversary. It's two days.
It takes place on October 18thand 19th in New York City
at this incrediblevenue called Civic Hall.
And yeah,
we're just like two dayspacked full of speakers
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that are totally dedicatedto women entrepreneurs
and giving us practical,super practical, actionable advice
and inspirationand very much what we're talking about.
The art of gathering the container of theShe Leads
Live Conferenceis very much a container that is
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filled with love.
And I'm going to say thatlike I'm being bold about love,
filled with love.
And, and also,
tips, tools, networking,everything that you need
to take your business to the next level.
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That's amazing.
So when people get there,I assume, is it in a hotel?
I don't know where.
What did you tell me?
I wrote a big haul. Yeah.
No, it's a beautiful space, actually.
It is a an event venue
plus a, I don't want to necessarily
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say co-working,but it does house other businesses.
So it's, it's a multi-functional spacewhere there are people that are
that are there,you know, all the time, every day
and different conferencesand events, happen there as well.
It's tech forward.
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It's actually a brand new building.
One of the investors in it is CraigNewmark from Craigslist.
A lot of the businesses that are housedthere
are, businessesthat are that cater
to underserved audiencesand teach them new tools and technologies.
So that they can, be more represented
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in fields like, you know, AI which I knowwe're going to talk about a little bit.
Coding, and digital things like that.
That sounds like somethingeverybody should go to.
Is there, how can theyhow can they find this?
Where did they go to eithersign up or learn more?
Yeah. Thank you.
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So anybody can go to the
She Leads Media.com website.
And then if you click on, She Leads Live
2024, it'll take you into just,
you know, the speaker page and agendaand things like that.
And if you want to just gostraight purchase tickets,
you can go to Eventbrite,and just search up.
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She Leads Live 2024, New York City.
But you can getyou can get there through our website.
Okay. Well, that sounds good.
Is there, some type of a deadlinethat they need to make sure
that they're registering on?
Yeah.
So, our early bird ticket pricing,which is our very best pricing
that ends tomorrow, August 31st
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so that this doesn't air tomorrow, but.
Okay. Yeah.
But the the tickets are being sold up
until,you know, the day before the conference.
If there is anybodythat is listening on this podcast
and wants that, early bird pricing,if you DM me on Instagram,
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which is at She Leads Mediaand just let me know
that you heard me and Isabellaon the Intern Whisperer Podcast.
I will honor the early bird pricing.
Whoa, what a deal.
That is a good deal.
Well, I'm going to really push this hardwhen I publish this.
Now, your episode, just so you know,when it's supposed to happen.
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And I don't know, October18th is when you said so.
This is slated to, drop.
I believe it's on the.
Oh, I don't have my, thingin front of me.
I think it's the third week of September,so I'll make sure
that I'm putting it out there,and I'm sharing it all my social channels
so that people will participateand sign up.
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Because honestly, I'm sitting there going,I have something that weekend.
Otherwise I would go,Oh no. I am in charge of
and I'm actually facilitating StartupWeekend.
And right.
So, so like I can't goI, I'm next year, next year, next year.
Yes we can plan for that.
But this sounds phenomenaland I would just love to attend.
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Plus it'd be nice to see you.
Oh yes okay,so I know you're working on a book.
What is the book that you're workingon? Wow.
I guess this ismaybe the first time that I'm talking
about this in any public way.
Okay. Like, you know, you have time.
Yeah.
So, the the book, the title.
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We're sort of still working out, but,it's really the She Leads Manifesto,
right?
And it's a call to actionto women entrepreneurs to,
to to get seriousand to commit to getting our businesses
past that million dollar markbecause of the impact that it makes
when women have accessto financing and wealth.
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We do good things with it in the world.
Yes, we will buy ourselves nice things,
but once we do that, we more,
we are more likely to pourthat money back into our communities
and to do better things for humanityand the environment overall.
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There are numerous statisticsthat show this,
we make more impactwith the money that we have.
I know that's true.
I know that's true.
You'll find that more women investin things that are the arts,
you know,whether it's music, dance, whatever.
We see that women are as, as just females.
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We're very nurturing.
I don't want to stereotypeus all into one area, but, you know, God
gave us the ability to have babies becausewe're obviously more nurturing than Men.
And so that's what they're.
And we love it. We love the men.
You know,there's and that's the other thing
I want to be, like super clearabout everything that we do at She Leads.
It is definitely in support of women.
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But that doesn't mean that it is notin support of men because we love men.
Absolutely. Yes, absolutely.
I'm just saying that we're the one onesthat get to have the baby.
Well we're awesome,
and very nurturing.
And yes, we need mento be our advocates and also help,
you know, sometimes open the doors for uswhere we can't.
So, you know,they are certainly, key people
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in, in both businessand in personal lives on.
Honestly.
Yep. Okay.
So we know thatwe can go to this conference.
We can also I'm going to assume maybethat book might be out by the conference.
Will it a part of the book will be outby the conference.
We're trying.
Yeah, we're trying to get the book outfor the conference, but I'm not 100%
sure that that's going to happen.
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Well, what I hope you haveis some type of a workbook that is,
you know,easily digested during the conference
and then that will help promotethose ticket sales or the book sales.
Both. Yes, yes.
Thank you.
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Now in the second half of our show,we always focus on the future of.
We didn't even finish the stuffthat we had slated on the first part.
So we're going to be going througha whole lot of things here.
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I found this article, from the Guardianabout how smart phones,
which, you know, as I said, smartphones,they're not a phone.
It's a computer.
It's the size of your palm,
but we call it a phone because that'sone of the many things it can do.
How it can actually disconnectingfrom technology.
There's just they haven't even started toeven break through a lot of the research
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about the effectand the impact smartphones have on us,
because I know in social feedsthere's some things
when I go to a social feed it,it can make me feel bad about myself.
But I digress.
I want to read one little quoteI pulled from the book.
Connection.
The ability to connect transcends
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being a mere, prelude to content delivery,
the process implementation,the transactions complete,
all of these are things that can happenin connection.
But, you know, we're looking atwhy people may feel alienated.
And if they're not feeling connectedto the person that's over here saying,
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oh, look at how much moneyI made this year, $2 million.
And oh, look, I'm traveling hereand there and here.
I may not be able to connect itbecause I don't live it.
I am actually dreaming of it.
Maybe some of it, but I'm not living it.
It forms this bedrock uponwhich everything else is constructed.
It makes it so that sometimesreal connections are established.
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But, you know, real connections are alwaysin person is what this article is about,
the ability to go back towhat were you talking about
in the first half of the show,of the human connection, the human touch,
the ability to, have food together,the smelling just of the food,
you know, somebody wonderfulChanel perfume, whatever it is.
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Right.
The more experiential
we can have experiences that we had,the more memorable that meeting is.
So what are your thoughts about,social media
and the impact that it can have on usboth positive and negative.
Yeah.
And I think we said this before. Right.
It's it's I guess, anything.
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Right. It's it's good.
It has its good qualities.
And it can also be very negative.
Like you mentioned, you know,perhaps you're looking at something
and it's triggering for whatever reason.
And it starts to make you feel badabout yourself.
Right?
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That I, I believe that aspect of it is
insidious for kids
that are trying to figure out who they areand their identity.
Yeah, it's you know, and there's
no way.
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I mean, I guess there is a way.
You don't you know,
you don't allow your childrento have any access to these things.
But, when kids do have access to these things,
there's sort of no way for youto prevent that from happening.
And I don't think that
the technology was designed
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to harm children or people,
but maybe the
I think that some of the people that have
the larger businesses that are profitingoff of it, it's in their best interest
to have us addicted to these thingsbecause you can monetize addiction, right?
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Yeah. Drugs.
Yeah.All of these things that are out there.
Yeah.
But it's not a good it'snot, it's not good, but it is what it is.
So it goes back to what you said.
Like we need to be stewardsof our attention and our intentionality.
Just like with drugs. Right.
They're available for everybodyto get addicted to.
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But you say to yourself,
that's not for
me, you know, and this technology,this computer in the palm of our hands
is fairly new in our human evolution.
So we have to learn how to modulateand, and,
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you know, train ourselvesto not get addicted to it.
We don't know what we're doing right now.
We're just like lambsbeing led to slaughter.
And we're doing it where we are,like, take me,
you know, take me to the guillotine
because we are so obsessed with everythingthat's going on.
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And it's it's fun in a lot of ways.
Just like, you know,and just like with drugs, right?
They're they're amazingwhen you're doing them.
And I'm not I don't do drugs.
I'm just saying they're amazingwhen you're doing them until
you come down off the high enduntil your life is ruined.
Then they're not so good anymore.
(33:21):
Yeah,because they can cost a lot of money.
I yeah, I don't I've never done pot.
I must be one of the few peoplein all of America that's never done it.
But I also don't drink.
And I also, you know,
there were things that I never didjust because I didn't want to.
But in my family,my grandfather was an alcoholic.
So that made an impression on me andmade me go, hey, I don't want to drink.
(33:43):
You know, my youngest brotherdied of a drug overdose.
That made me go, no,
you know, it even cemented it more in methat, no, those things are bad.
Just because I lost a personthat was important to me.
Awful.That's so awful. I'm so sorry. Yeah.
Thank you.
But smartphones
and just diving into the whole of social content, the people
(34:06):
that put it out have a responsibilityto think about the impact.
And it might just be onethat's self-serving for them.
They're making money off of allof these people that sign up to be Amazon.
I saw something that came through my feedlast night.
Be an Amazon influencer and they'llthey'll send you all kinds of free stuff
and you're able to sell itand that could be for the kitchen.
(34:28):
It could be for, you know, clothes.
It can be a whole lot of things.
But if you're always on this,that becomes your job is to.
Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that.
And I thought about it for a minute too,and I went, do I want to do this?
And, you know,how do I feel about all of this?
And I want I don't know, thatbecomes something that's full time.
And then if you don't havea more diversified way of making money,
(34:52):
then okay, then I'm, I'm outand I'm starting all over.
It's like, it's a business.
Definitely is a business to be an impact.
You know, getting back over here on trackbecause we
we had a number of things here.
The impact that we all haveis is huge in our lives
and we'd never really thinkabout that impact.
(35:13):
So one of the other thingsthat came out of this article,
it said that, that they were studying.
Let me get back to my notes here.
There was a
study that was publishedin the Journal of Experimental
Social Psychology, and it revealedthat even fleeting connections
(35:33):
with strangers can boost our moodand our overall well-being.
But in the professional sphere,a Gallup study found that
having a close friend at work can increaseemployee engagement up to seven times.
That was amazing to methat that was possible.
Those the and I know that's truebecause when I go to the grocery store
(35:54):
and somebody is looking at a productI might be holding, is that any good?
And I go, oh yeah, I think it's amazing.
And this is why I becamea micro influencer.
I just either made somebody,be influenced enough to go, oh,
I want to buy this just because.They're a I'm a complete stranger.
Yeah, but yeah, in your workplaceover here, you're having a conference,
(36:15):
you're going to have thousands of peopleattending this conference of women
that are engaging in.
They're they're going to, you know,see people they'd known in the past
ten years is a lot of timeto have an amazing conference.
And then they'll make new friends.
All of those types of experiences,you know, have a big impact.
And then you have the speakers.
So, you know, there's levels of engagementthat's happening at your conference.
(36:39):
And that I've gone to conferences
and every time I come back from I go, oh,I have all of these things I want to do.
It can be so overwhelming.
But yeah, I'msure you account for all of these things.
Yeah.
And it's actually one of the reasonsthat we are going to be announcing
something at the conferencein order to keep people
(37:00):
engaged with each otherthroughout the year.
Because there it is.
It's like,
you know, it'slike such a surge of excitement and energy
and wanting toto do all of these things and,
and having this heart connectionwith these different people
(37:20):
that you want to do businesswith and everything.
And then everybody gets back into theireveryday life.
It just happens,you know, whether we want it to or not.
And some of those connections, you know, get farther away from us.
So I want to make surethat those connections remain strong
and that we continue to sort of bein this women's
(37:43):
entrepreneurial ecosystem together,because that's where the power is.
So we're going to be announcing something
in order to be ableto keep everybody together like that.
But I'll reserve thatfor sure for October.
Yeah.
I loveI love that that's really wonderful.
Something else I foundthat was very interesting in the,
(38:05):
game spacewas, again, more research here.
There were some researchers from EdgehillUniversity and University of New York.
Coward.
The professor had studiedmore than 700 players of massively
multiplayeronline games, also known as MMO.
The sample ranged from gamerswho played as little
(38:28):
as one hour per weekto those who played 30 hours or more.
The team found that the MMO engagementcorrelated
to a stronger sense of social identity,or how people self-identified
based on their affiliation to groupswhich correspond with higher self-esteem,
more social competence,and lower levels of loneliness.
(38:52):
You know, I run in the game space.
Also, I have, you know, a
game on steam, shameless plug right nowand turn pursuit game.
Go play it.
Third person tower defense.
And I note thank you.
And I know that because I work outof a co-working space for game developers.
And it's very true.
Their relationship in this space,in the co-working space is amazing,
(39:17):
but even still, they use discord a lot.
That's the server of choicefor, engagement.
They are very, very active in there.
So sometimes I wonder, is itbecause people
that play things online are maybe more,
I'll say introverted in their,social skills.
(39:38):
So where they feel more comfortableis just in the online community.
It doesn't require the same amountof energy as being in person.
I don't know what are your thoughts?
You have boys that play games, you said.
Yeah, it's super interesting.
Yeah, I definitely think that there'sprobably
an aspect of introversionthat is part of this.
(40:01):
But the other thing that I thinkis super interesting and,
I'm just
tryingto think back because I took a class
when I went for my MBA,which was a very long time ago.
And it was called Game Theory.
And one of the things that is
(40:22):
super interesting is like,who wins, right?
Like, where's the winner?
And I think in these massivemultiple player
games that everybody yes,you might be playing individually,
but there's a greater mission
to accomplish right, in these games.
(40:42):
Right?
Especially when you play on teamsand things like that.
So I can see that you have greatersocial connection
because you're all trying to get pasta level or,
you know, to to do this next thing
and everybody's sort of in it together.
And so there's a greater senseof like camaraderie.
(41:02):
And I know that like my younger son,has throughout college,
he started in, in high school playingwhatever the heck game.
It's probably not the best game.
I'm sure it's like a shootem up game, which whatever.
Number one,
I know that that relieve stress for him,which is weird, but it does.
(41:23):
And he has been able to keep in touch
with a lot of his, like,middle school and high school friends,
even though they're going to collegein different places and everything.
When they get online togetherto play the game
and they are like on a team togetherto do whatever they're doing,
there is a sense of bonding there, right?
(41:45):
So it's like, yes, well,like when we went to college,
we left our for the most part,we left our high school friends behind.
Right.
And everybody went on and they, they,you know, maybe
you see people when you come back homefor Thanksgiving or something like that.
But in today's world,you can keep in touch by talking to people
(42:05):
or texting people.
But sometimes that's, you know,you're not on the same page.
You're not, you know,you're not doing the same thing.
But when you come togetherand you're both playing the same game
for the same reason,it creates like deeper bonds.
And so that's what I think ofwhen I think of like, why
people feel more socially connectedbecause they're they're honest.
(42:28):
They're on a similar missiontogether there.
And they're able to again,like almost like
just be themselves
and doing something that because gameshave a sense of accomplishment.
So there's dopamine in that.
(42:48):
I set out to do something.
I partnered together with some somebodyon a team or a whole bunch of people.
We all are on this missionto accomplish this thing.
We did it together.
Yeah.
Similar to things that are militaryI'll use something else.
Because now this one's more in personrelationship focused.
(43:10):
But I, I agreeI absolutely agree with you.
I was in a sorority when I was in college,
and I, lived in the house,
and I did, we always did stuff together.
We ate together, we lived together.
We, you know, everythingthat was social was together.
And I feel like what you're describingis that similar experience
(43:34):
years later,I am no longer in the sorority,
but every time I meet anybody,no matter if they, I don't know them,
but I just see thatAOP across on their shirt,
I sort of go, oh, you and I are the same.
So yes, even that instance of what you'redescribing, it does make me feel,
(43:55):
a closeness because
there's a shared experiencefrom a previous time.
Exactly. Yeah.
I hadn't thought about that before.
Until you bring up this, this sense of,you know, of what
I wrote down, what you said, camaraderieand a higher level of connection.
And I go, oh, so maybe that'swhere games have identified that,
(44:17):
even more closely from, like, the militaryand from this long history of games
and how that actually does helpto bring people together.
Absolutely.
Well, that would make sensebecause with complete strangers on social,
even though I might be in a sharedcommunity, I don't always feel the same
because we're not eating together.We're not.
(44:38):
It's still not the same.
There's always something that's missing.
So to build a community, we'll be ableto see that's where we create impact.
Yeah.
When you do things together, I another,
just really quick, person that I admiregreatly.
Gina. Bianchini. Oh, I have her book.
Oh. She's amazing.
Yes. And I am a mighty networkalso like you.
(45:00):
Amazing.
So she she talks about,
you know, the the very best communities
they are in community
because they want to make some typeof transformation together.
So sort of like the best thing you can dofor that is to,
(45:21):
you know, make this the best year ever or,or take actions together so
that everybody is doing like a challenge,like that type of stuff, things where,
you know, you might be fivesteps, steps ahead of me,
but we're all marching towardthis one thing that binds us together.
(45:41):
That is what community is about.
And that's the type of communitythat people want to be in.
Socialmedia oftentimes is very individualistic.
And so you're watching someone elsedo something and then you're not a
part of it.
You're just like a watcherand even though it could be inspiring,
you're not participatingwith that person in something.
(46:04):
So that I think the the challengeaspect of it and the doing things
together, that's the key componentof what makes a community, special.
I agree with you.
I, I am on that train with you now.
Yes, I am totally agree with you.
So we're going to be, coming herepretty close to the end of the show here.
I just want to make sure,I'm going to hope we're still good.
(46:27):
Yes. Perfect.
So, something else.
That one more thing that I'll pull in herethat I found is that,
I put all of these quotes in herethat you said.
This is really good stuff.
We talked about,
so howdo people step away from their phones?
(46:48):
If our whole lives are tied to them?
We pay through them.We learn through them.
You know, this is how we can go to school.
We don't need TVs anymore.
We don't need to have a monitor.
We can do everything.
It's on demandand it's always in our lives.
Whether it's go to school,worship in church, go to, social
gatherings, Covid changed itso that we couldn't be together.
(47:12):
And that was like really hardfor everybody.
There was no choice.
Then there wasn't the choice
to just be on a phoneand just not have to deal with people.
Or there wasthere was not the choice of no, I need,
I need to be with people I know I do, because that's where I get my energy from.
And then if I have to do itthrough my phone, it leads for me
(47:35):
to feelings of depressionand things like that.
So where do you think that you can see,
that type of impact,
that social contentthat everything in this phone can,
can do in our lives, you know,how do we step away from the phone
if we're going to be ableto keep our lives on track?
(47:56):
Yeah. It's so funny.
I just just recently saw this.
It's, it's a Pew Research study,and it's from the beginning of this year,
according to a new Pew Research study,74% of teens
say they feel happierwithout their smartphone,
while another 72%say they feel more peaceful.
(48:18):
And I think that it's a matter
of being mindful, intentionaland setting boundaries, right.
That the other, thing that I had readthe other day
was that when you pick up your phoneright away in the morning,
you're coming outof that state of sleeping.
(48:39):
So your brain is in a lower,
frequency, and it takes,between a half an hour and an hour
for your brainto move through the different waves
so that you can operate at this, like,
higher functioning,you know, brain activity.
But you need that timein order for your body
(49:02):
to wake up, your brain to wake upwhen you pick up your phone immediately.
First thing when you wake up, you
you shoot your brain from thatsleepy state into that state of, of,
you know, operatingat a higher wavelength.
And so you skip the stepsand what that does to your body,
is it it immediately causes stress.
(49:24):
And it might not be stressthat you necessarily feel, but your brain,
it's like going from, you know, 0 to 60without anything in between.
And we are not we are not sports cars.
We are human beingsthat need to move through those stages
in orderfor us to maintain our homeostasis.
And all of the,the, the good things. Right.
(49:47):
It's like you wake up and you see a,you know, a grizzly bear on top of you
and you go immediately into fightor flight.
Yes, it's going to save your life.
But if you do this repeatedly every day,you are harming yourself.
So the best thing that this articlesuggested that you do
is that you do notlook at your phone at all,
(50:10):
any type of screen at all,for at least 30 minutes to 1 hour.
When you wake up in the morningand you will be less stressed
and you'll give your your brainthe time that it needs to.
I guess, for lack of a better word,like warm up and you will.
You will just be better.
You will feel better.
(50:32):
I like that a lot.
I'm going to go find that author.
I think it sounds really interesting.
I tried that yesterday.
I know we had talked about thatand I did notice that I felt different.
I didn't feel likeI was having to rush out the door.
I mean, I was aware of what time I wassupposed to be up and what was going on
(50:52):
because I checked the day beforeI had planned for it.
And so I think that's
one of the key things that,you know, we can do is that we can
if we're going to step awayfrom our phones, we need to plan for that
so that we're going to be feeling like,oh, okay, I'm in the right place.
I know what's expected of me.
And you're not going into that fightor flight thing
(51:12):
that you had mentioned before.
I think that's truly significant.
The other thing that I noticed aboutit is not only did I feel more
relaxed going in, I did not do that today,but I that's where I could,
you know, definitely say,oh, that's an experiment, right?
It's an experiment.
And I went, okay,so now I can see what the advantage was.
(51:35):
And aside fromthat, it made me more aware,
aware as
to the power of that phoneall my life in that just one day.
And by comparing itto, well, this is intentional,
I'm not going to look at it.
And the next day going,okay, I'm not going to worry about
just looking at my phone
and it right away.
(51:56):
So hopefully our listeners will hearwhat it is that you were just sharing
and they'll realize, wow,that was significant.
And that one little action can createa giant impact in my life moving forward.
Absolutely. Yeah.
This is all really good stuff today.
(52:16):
Adrian.
I love everythingthat we're talking about here.
So and I'm making sure I'mbeing aware of mutual schedules here.
One more thing I'm going to mention.
I usually mention this.
It was October 8th of last year.
That was my birthday too. That was. Yes.
Pretty excited too. Libra! Yes.
(52:37):
So there was this gentleman here.
His name is Geoffrey Hinton.
He is the godfather of AI,and he was interviewed on 60 minutes.
And you know,I just happened to be watching that show.
And he said, you know,he invented it back in the 60s.
And his fear is that one of the waysin which these systems I might escape
(52:59):
control is by writing their own computercode to modify themselves.
And that's somethingthat we need to seriously worry about.
His quote, and I find that interestingbecause, again,
people can use tools like AI.
And this was something elsewe talked about.
You know, earlierwhen we had our call last week, is like
(53:20):
we begin to become lazy.
We we rely on tools.
Yes, they can make us efficient and yes,they can.
And to me, I
when you look at ChatGPTand the other things that are out there,
similar competitors,
what they do is they take all knowledgein the world of Google, every browser,
(53:41):
and they consolidated into one platformwhere it can give you that giant search
I don't have to search for,you know, as many hours as maybe I did.
But itcan consolidate it all into whatever.
ExactlyI'm looking for based on that prompt.
And I find that interesting, too,because I went, well,
(54:01):
that's nothing to be afraid of.That's exactly it.
But it does learn from our searcheseven more and more and more
to give a better result.
So what are your thoughtsabout Geoffrey Hinton?
What his quote was, anything you want tojust, you know, comment on?
Yeah, we talked about this in my class
or a lot,because I teach entrepreneurship.
(54:24):
And so there is the aspect of likehow do you leverage
some of these new technologies and,you know, create businesses out of them.
But then also,
how can some of these technologieshelp you to grow your business and,
you know, help get you unstuckand things like that, like anything else?
And what what we've been talking about,there's, you know, there's the,
(54:48):
the dark sideand then there's the opportunity.
And I can understand his quotewhere at a certain point,
this I can get so smart that it startsdoing things that are sort of
like out of control and against humanityand that type of,
(55:10):
evolution is bad, right?
Because if it can start doing thingsthat it's going to eradicate
humanity from the
face of the earth,then then yes, that's a bad thing.
Protections have got to be put into place.
You know, things that protect people'sprivacy and make sure that,
(55:32):
the inputs are, are equal
and not doing anything to harm any group.
There there are so many protectionsthat need to be put into place.
It can go out of control.
So yeah, I think that that that's scaryto think about that.
(55:52):
And I also think that there is a lot of,
good and positivethat can come out of it as well.
But we have to make sure that those inputs
that they are not biasedin any way whatsoever.
And we again, we need to be mindful
(56:13):
of what these tools are and how they are
helping us as humanity or harming us.
I think the, one of the things
not everybody always puts this on therebecause some people sell their lists.
Right.
And the ability to opt out of being,having your, your name,
your information shared withpeople is key.
(56:34):
I think in terms and conditions,when people create
whatever they're creating,there needs to be the ability
to just right off the bat, say, no, don't
I agree to your terms,but don't share my information?
Yeah, that's going to changea lot of ways that people make money,
because if you cannot access my
(56:56):
information,then I can no longer be targeted to sell.
Whatever.
My favorite thing is from sprouts,which is this remedy
turmeric beverage that I just love.
Yeah.
Like now I no longer get that.
And and then I'm not agreeingto have my privacy, taken away from me
(57:16):
by listening through my phoneas to what my conversations are.
Because people don't readterms and conditions, and that is one way
that I think thatbusinesses are are not being
they don't have the consumer in mind.
They have the their profit margin in mind.
And that's wrong.
So I feel like ethics within a companyis obviously important, and making sure
(57:42):
that the impact that they are creatingis one that they're going to be proud of.
That's not going to harm their childrenand their grandchildren
as they move forward.
And, you know, we'll be dead and gone.
But you know what?
This impacts the future.
Yeah, people.
So I don't think that they're thinkingthrough all of those.
They're just thinking aboutwhat does it make right now.
(58:04):
Yeah. Yeah.
And that's that's sometimesjust being human too, right.
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Well, this has been delightful.
How can well, let's do this one.
I always like doing this question.
What is the best mentoring advicethat you would like to share?
Because the one you sharedpreviously can be different from this one.
(58:24):
So I have mentoring advice.
I have probably 100 of them that I share,so I don't think that were
limited to just one.
Yeah.
I don't remember what I said last time.
And so you don't have to know.
No, I think mine's
a little too partone is run your own race.
(58:46):
And by that I mean don't be so influencedby what other people are doing
or where they arethat you start beating yourself up.
So run your own raceand do everything that you can
to build your network and relationships,
because that is truly how things get done.
(59:07):
And I've seen that over and over.
So the younger that you can bein building out that network and,
and really cherishingthat network of relationships,
I just think the, the, the better offthat you are going to be
and I'm goingto I'm going to give a third one, okay.
(59:29):
Because
those two are so important.
I agreethis one is probably the most important.
And I've been saying thisto a lot of young people.
The compoundingeffect of interest is real.
So if you startinvesting on a regular basis,
it doesn't have to be a lot of money.
But if you start investing as earlyas you can, you have time on your side
(59:53):
so that you can build your wealth
so that by the time that you're 30,40, 50, that you are not struggling
financially and all it takesis maybe 20 bucks a week.
Yeah,
I did that.
I use acorns and I started withI have no savings.
So, you know, is what I realized thatI went, you know what, I'm going to start
(01:00:13):
and I just put $10 a monthand I cannot even believe, like,
whoa, look at how much money I havein $10 a month.
So $20 a week.
Yep. Yes.
And imagine when you if you started when you were 20.
Oh, God. Yeah.I don't even want to think about that.
But yes, you know,I know that I could take that same
philosophy and go, well,I can start today.
(01:00:34):
So that's right. I'm going to do now.
So I don't want to go back towhen I was 20,
because that's like a bigger number,but I can do it today.
So now you've motivated me.
Just so you know,your impact was I'm going to go change it
so that it's not $10a month, it's going to be more
and it's going to be on a weekly basis.I love it.
Yeah.
Well, and it could still be
what I would do on a weekly basis,but by the month it doesn't matter.
(01:00:56):
The goal is that you impacted meand I'm going to go change what I do.
So thank you, thank you,thank you for this opportunity.
And thank you for the impact
that you're making byjust having this podcast in general,
even if you know one person takes awaysomething that positively changes
their life, then that is incredibleand that's the impact that you're having.
(01:01:19):
So thank you for having your podcast.
Oh thank you.
What social channels other than LinkedIn?
Because I share LinkedInand I've got your website up here.
What other social channelwould you like us to include?
Instagram would be great.
And, it's just, you know, at she leadsmedia is is our handle okay.
And she leads media.
(01:01:41):
Got it.
Okay.
And then, yeah, I look forward to havingmore conversations later with you.
So let's get to let's keep this,whole dialog going on
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