S7 Ep. 314 Robert Katz – Exploring the Frontiers of Innovation and Space - The Intern Whisperer

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Here we go. Welcome to The InternWhisperer.
Our show is all about the future of workand innovation.
And my name is Isabella Johnston.
I am the host of The InternWhisperer podcast,
which is brought to you by Employers4 Change.
We help hiring teams reduce employer bias
and increase competency,skill, recruitment and learning.

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Today's guest is Robert Katz.
He is the CEO of World Innovation Network,
a non-profitthat is a top technology think tank.
Lots of alliteration in there, folks.
An inimitable innovation
igniter, lots of - and again,all of those i’s.
Okay.
As the leading 501 C3 non-profit

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WIN also enjoys being honoredas an intentional credentialed
non-government organizationalso called NGO.
And Robert is an educator,public speaker, author
and I met him at an eventat the Kennedy Space
Center called SmallSatSpace,
and I knew he had to be a guest on my showbecause, well, it's about space.

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Who doesn't love space?
It is the next frontier.
So, Robert, welcome to the show. Wow.
Thank you so much.
I - you set the bar so high. HopeI can meet that.
Oh, gosh.
Honored to be here.
You are, you’re way too complementary here.
Thank you so much.You deserve a lot more.
Okay, so let's go over
these five words that you would just useto describe yourself.

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Most of my listenersall know we start this way.
Your first word was inspiration.
And I'm - just so the reader, my listenerscan get an idea of what's going on here.
We have all I words, just so you know.
The I’s have it?
The I’s have it. Who would have thought?Who would have thought, yeah.
Now this part they usually know,‘Oh yeah, this is what's happening here.’

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So it's not a big deal.
They don't know what else is coming.
But the first one is inspiration.
Why inspiration?
Why does that word describe you?
Because I see my missionas to inspire the next generation.
I want to have 5000, 5 million words of meor people
that have the same amazing opportunitiesthat I had - have impact.

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Another I word which has
that's a bonus word, Impactto be able to have those
opportunities, to be able to effectchange,
positive change in their community,in their
county, in their city and their country,and in the world.
So I want to be able to empower themto be able to do so.

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So inspiring is very, very important.
Oh, I would agree with you. Very much so.
So you said Ideation.
Why is that one your second word?
So we have to, inspire to do what, we
so we have to think about too -lots of people
say it's, I'm in the startup worldand startup community.
People think that's where
solutions come from and maybe solutions,

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but we have to insteadnot start with the solutions.
We need to start with the problems,or the challenges, or things
that we need to have solutions for,
for which we need solutions for -there’s a lot of participles dangling around here.
So we need to start with looking atwhether the big challenges
are problems that we can solve,and then ideate

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solutions to those problems,but always starts with the problems.
Or as
Covey, Stephen Covey would say, begin
with the end in mind and, you know,we say, ‘Oh, we have a great idea.
Follow your dreamsand follow your passion.’
We actually,that's not a good idea to do that.
No.You take a problem and look for solutions, ideate

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and iterate over those ideations.
We'll get to that here in a second
Iteratecould have also been in the second word’s.
I-I-Iterate over possible ideason how to solve that problem.
Mm hmm. I agree.
Innovation.
Why Innovation?
Innovationis the solutions to the problems

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that we're going to solvethat we’re inspiring the next generation
to solve or help us solve or solve with usor for us is
so we want,we have to do things differently.
So innovate meansthat we look at something differently,
very differently,not evolutionarily differently.
Usually we want to do somethingrevolutionary, -ily differently.

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And so that's whyinnovations are important game changers,
something that's going to serveif you're going to
people don't understand thateven if they have a great i-
a great idea or a great solution,it has to be really amazing for a,
for a company or a consumeror somebody to take a risk on a

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startup, whether it's a startup person
or a startup company,to be able to take on that challenge.
So it has to really have a high gain.
So it has to be
we have to have something very innovative,revolutionarily innovative.
As a matter of fact.
I like those words, for sure.
Integration.

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Why Integration?
Integration is probablyone of the most important secret sauce,
and that means we need to havea completely interdisciplinary,
multidisciplinary,multi-spectrum, multi-person, multi-domain
whole of society approachto any problem solving.

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We need all voices at the table,
everybody included
in being able to look at the problemfrom different perspectives.
That means that no matter how technicalthe problem is, we need people
that are experts, have expertise in art
and music, and - and humanities.

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And we need, we need philosophers.
One of the most amazing gamechanging people in the space industry
is a space philosopher
and we
need, well,we - everything needs to be communicated.
So communications is so important
no matter how technical and geekyand wonky the solution may be.
So integrationmeans that it - we need to look at the problems

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holisticallyand therefore the solutions need to be
holistic as well. Hmm.
Well, I see that it'sa very thoughtfully crafted
blanket that we're putting together here,so that's a very nice thing.
The last of the five wordsis implementation.

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So I get it now.
I see it from the beginning to the end,and that's hopefully what our listeners
are gathering too.
So implementation.Yeah. Get it done.
I don't just talk about it, get it done,
implement it and implement it
sooner rather than later, implement
it early and often and,and - which is a voting day.

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So that's a welly joke.
And so
that you can iterate, which is againanother build inside word.
So when you implementyou can see the result of your idea
whether it's, again these could be ideasfor a business problem
or you a personal development,like, something you're changing

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about yourself,something you're trying to do differently.
And you implement it, you see the result
and then you iterateand then you start back with new ideas.
You start back at the beginning.
So it's a rapid iteration of innovation
is one of the keys to success.
And we have a lot of - lots of things todaythat allow us to do that.

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Lots of technologies
the power of software,the power of adaptive manufacturing, 3D
printing and things that allow for thatrapid iteration that we’ll take advantage of.
But that's just, you know,get it done, try it, whether it's new
vocabulary words that you're learningor whether it’s new technologies, implement it.
That's really, really good.

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And so just so our listenerscan understand, you know,
originally these five words when you firstheard them, you may not have seen
that there was a flowchart,if you will, inspiration,
ideation, innovation, integrationand then implementation.
So it's an intentionallook at how we can solve our problems.

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And you may not thinkabout all of those steps in the process.
So you're a process person.
Yeah, Yeah.
I'm - i'm not smart enough to,to do things freestyle.
So it has to - there has to be a -
A pattern. a roadmap.
I mean, a roa - a roadmap to almost anythingwe do is good.
Even if you change and pivot along the wayor mid-course
correction,as we say in the missile defense world, which, er um,

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But you have to,
you have to have a place you're goingbefore you even start the journey.
You have to make surethat you're headed in the right direction.
You can change as often as you need to,
but you need to have that pathway,that framework.
I agree totally.
Okay.
So on the next part of whatwe're going to be learning about you
is the, tell me more about how did you getstarted in your - in your story? Uh oh.

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What is your story?
How did you get startedand how did you get to where you are now?
You get like 15 minutes.
So just so you know. Sure.
So, so, space.
I feel like I started on thisjourney of space before I was even born.
Because if you can do the math,it gets pretty scary very fast.

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But I
you know, I grew up fascinated with the
exploration of space.
I think we have as - as - as a species,
I think or maybe as all species,I haven't taught - other,
I'm not Dr. Julus.
I haven't talked to the animals,but I would, they maybe
- similarly, we love exploring.
Otherwise, if we didn't want to explore,we'd still be in our cave.

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But somehow we said, ‘Well,what's out there?
Oh, there's risk.
We might get eaten by a Sabertooth Tiger,but we'll still go venture out -
outside the cave anywayand see what's there.’
We got outside the cave.‘What's over the next mountain?’
‘What's over the next ridge?’,‘What's in the next continent?’.
So we have this exploration inside of usthat wants to find out more and explore.

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So space, outer space is naturally
maybe not
the final frontier, but the next frontierthat we're to - to explore.
And so I've always been fascinatedwith that.
And all of the - all of the both technologyand humanity that goes along with that,
which is both to be able to say, well,because that - whatever we find out there,

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we realize how small we actually areand it kind of puts things in perspective
and - and - and helps us also seefrom a timeline perspective,
when you look at how all - the universeand I, my work in the Hubble Space
Telescope was,I said, well, when I started,
which was my first entree into spaceas an intern

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in college, I worked on calibratingthe Hubble Space Telescope.
I said, ‘Oh, this is going to
figure out the age of the universe,how old the universe is.’
I never thought that it actuallyreally happened, but it sounded good.
And I would brag to people aboutwhen I was doing at the National Bureau
of Standards at the time,and it turns out many years later it did.
It did help determine that. And,

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but it helps
put both technologyin perspective and humanity in perspective.
So I began with the Hubble SpaceTelescope.
While I was in,
while I was a freshman in college
and other space internships,
and then eventually when I went to MIT.
I,Did you go to school there?

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I was taking, I was working between
MIT and RPI on my Ph.D.
and I was there for
what was allegedly a summer program,which then I got to pl - some of them
knocked on the door
‘Robert, are you busy?’
I said, ‘No, no, no, I’m not busy.’
’Please come in.’ ‘We have this project.’

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‘If you want to help us with,we all have this little project we have to do
and this issue and the problem.’
I said, ‘Well, you have to go travelfor a second, no problem.’
So I went, next thing you know,a helicopter lands.
I jumped in a helicopter. I'm in D.C.
and I'm getting a White Housebriefing from the CIA
on the threat of the Russian missiles.
And then I was working on the Star Warsprogram.

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Wow. Yeah.
And the rest is sort of history whichwe can talk about.
That is - that is amazing becausehow many people really get to experience
somebody coming over and saying, ‘Hey, you,we want to talk about space.’
I, I don't know anybody.
So you're my first person.
And, you know, space is so scarybecause none of the resources that we have

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we take for granted,like breathing with no apparatus.
We don't have to think about it.We just can do it.
You can't do that in space.No,
no, you can't do that.
So I'm also a firefighter paramedic,and I teach,
an underwater rescue diver as well.
So I was the head of my dive rescue team.
So I have a lot of,I don't take air for granted.

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No.That's for sure.
In many circumstances. Yeah.
Now, how did you become an underwaterdiver, rescuer? Um.
Well, I,
I always want -one of the things I always wanted to
be was a fireman when I was little.
And I, when I got to college,I - it didn't kind of work out that way.
I kind of went, ‘Well, just gonna do medicine.’

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And then I - biology
my first day of college,my first day of college, my first class,
the first lectureof the first class, I said
it was biology.
And they said, ‘Memorize all these phylums.’I can't memorize anything.
I can't even memorize my own name.
So I said, ‘I'm not going to be a doctor.’
So I went into physics and physics,into engineering,

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and then that allowed me tothen pursue my space dream,
which I never thoughtthat I could actually do.
And then that was,I was doing all these amazing
what I thought was amazing stuff with the,as I said, with the Star Wars program.
But whenever people ask me what I coulddo, what am I doing with the ‘What's your work?’

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I say, ‘Oh, you know, computers.’
And because I can't really talkabout anything I was doing.
And every - my family would say,
‘Oh, that's, you're so boring, yeahyou're such a super geek.’
‘That's horrible.’ Like, ‘Oh,I'm so embarrassed.’
I didn't want to like, shame my familyand be like, that guy that was like that,
Are you firstborn?geek. Yeah.
Okay.
So I, so I said to myself, ‘Well,I guess I know what I'll do.’

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I'll go back,I'll go on on the weekends and I'll, I'll,
I always wanted to be a fireman.
I'll do that. That's cool.And then I can talk about that.
So I became a volun-,started out as a volunteer fireman,
and then I becameoperational in many ways.
Once I got operational, the fireman,the paramedic,
and then I realized that there's not

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a lot of fires anymore.
The buildings don't burn down.
And so people said, ‘Oh, that's nice.
You know, you're a fireman, Oh, that's nice.
But, you know, Johnny'sdad's also a fireman.’,
so I had to step it up a little bit.
And so I went into Swift Water Rescueand then from Swift Water Rescue,
Underwater Rescue and then becamethe head of the, our dive team.
So some people sometimes think that peoplethat are like police

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and the military and firefighters,they kind of have this
this missing element of life being,‘No, I'm putting my life on the line.’,
right? And it's, and they're fearless.
But, you know, they are afraid toobecause when I go back,
I was watching a lot of documentariesabout 9/11,

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and they were interviewingthe firemen that did make it.
And they all knew
that some of them weren't going to make it
when they were gathered togetherin this moment of prayer
before going in to try and rescue peopleand go up the stairs and all of this.
It was very emotional.
It was emotional for them.
And I'm just sitting herelistening about, ‘Gosh,

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I don't even think I could do that.’
Did that ever cross your mindthat - that you could die?
You know, with any of these things?
So unfortunately, yes.
Yeah. I don't know if that's unfortunate.
I think it's just realizing humanity,that it’s a gift. Yeah.
I mean, New York.
So I said we don't have a lot of fires.So New York is the exception.

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So they, they
there are a few departments in the countrythat do, do a lot of fires.
Mm hmm.
We were
in I’m in, in Washington, D.C.
metropolitan area.
And we sometimes we went into D.C.
proper,sometimes we're in the suburbs of D.C. So
there's a lot more waterthere than fires a lot of, there’s the Potomac River.

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And there's a lot of
a lot of bodies of water.
So that - that added to be ableto help the community even more.
So really just step up my game.
Yeah, Yeah.
It's a sobering thought because many times,my dad was an Air Force reserve. Wow. that’s impressive.
My brother is Armyand he spent 30 something years. God Bless.

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He's a warrant officer fivewhich is a big deal
because there's only five in the countryapparently.
Thank you for his service.
Thank you. Yeah, I'm so grateful.
And one of the thingsthat, they're wired different.
All of them are firemen, fire people,because there's women
there right?
Firefighters, nurse,and anybody that serves in the military, Correct of course.
you have to be having eithera missing thing about, ‘Oh, I'm afraid.’,

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or you're just, you know,your life is about service. Serving, serving.
Yeah.It's always about serving.
So I think that's significant.I don't know.
I think nurses, people that are nurses,I don't know about doctors,
but definitely nurses.
And I think teachers havethat same - same type of mindset. Simalir. That drive yeah.
Yeah,I think nurses can die also in service.

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We now know teachers can too.
Yeah.
So it's a, it's valuable.
Well, I want to thank you for being that,I'm curious about a volunteer firefighter
because when you've mentioned that I go,
I guess you go through the same kind oftraining, but you don't get paid,
for all of that.Yeah, you don't get paid.
You get paid in different ways,serving your community. How?
Oh, sure. Yeah.

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So that, the rewardof serving your community
is, is
just as significant to many people.
And, and,and if your career, then you get both.
So I was - was a volunteer when I was,I began as a volunteer operation
but then I would be, I would havevarious deployments, like when I served

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on the presidential protection teamwhen I was supporting, Wow. Which president?
So it was Obama and, and Bush as well. Wow.
So on the presidential protection team,when I - were
when I served as a hazmat paramedic
as supporting the Cburks,which is a group of the Marines

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that, or the Secret Service
or teaching at the Secret Service Academyto the SWAT team
they call it the CAT teamand our assault team.
So those, those would be paid,
but in normal dayto day operations at the firehouse
that was serving your community, like
most, most firemenactually in the country do.

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So you actually got to meetthe presidents.
I can't talk too much about it.
No, that's okay.
I just went, wow, you really met them.
That's like really, really cool, too.
Yeah.
And I think and again, I've been on thisbinge of watching a lot of documentaries.
I watched the the documentariesabout the Kennedy family also,

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and the assassination, assassinationof John F Kennedy and Robert F Kennedy.
And I just went, ‘Wow.
- people, they, I mean, they were ridingin a car, totally open seeing people.’ Yeah.
And you just never think about somebodythat can take your life away. Yeah.
Now everything's closed. It's protected.
Yeah.
We look back and we say, ‘Wow,what in the world were they thinking?’

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‘Like, how?’
Like, of course, somebody’sgonna take a shot. Our minds,
it's interesting how - how quickly our mind,like the way, the standards change like -
Overnight. Like today.
If you see a kidwithout a helmet on riding his bike.
‘Oh man the parents should be arrestedfor child abuse.’
Yeah.
And back in the day, like you would neverthink of having a helmet. Li - but how quickly

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things change. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Yeah, very much so.
And I think it'sthat false sense of security,
because before 9/11, we thought we were,you know, indom, indomitable, right?
Nothing.
Nothing could touch us,I think, as Americans.
And then once that happens, you realize,‘Oh, wait a minute, stuff happens.’

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Yeah, I mean, stuff was happening.
A lot of - a lot of things were happening,but I wasn't -
we - we are somewhat of an island.Right?
The - our country is I think,
unfortunately
somewhat unique in that - in that we're
sort of a countryboth in that physically island, physically...

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Because we're surrounded by water.
Surrounded by water, and also becauseof our sort of stature in the world.
Our economic status.
Yeah, we don't, we aren't as awareof different cultures as we should be.
That's sort ofwhat the integration was in my eyes, Right.
is that we look at thingsin - interdisciplinary and internationally

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and, and a lot of the workI do, I'm very fortunate.
I work with many of our alliesthroughout the world.
I've been on the ground in over 32countries working on space programs,
both whether they be technical or policy
or treaties, but being able to workwith our partners to enable

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for them to
receive all the benefits of spaceand for us to have advantages
of their technologiesand working together to, to
and use spaceto empower a better world for everybody.
So, but we traditionally in the U.S.
don't have as strong a connectionto our international

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allies as we should.
You know, in Europe,
of course, the two countries are smallerand they're more closely connected.
You're connected to a broader Europe,Latin America, also the same.
You know, you have common language and
different cultures.
But, but you're - you're verythere's a lot of

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intermingling and less so
in America, unfortunately.
How many countries have you traveled to?
I'm promising you, we're going back to spaceafter this one.
But I find you so interestingbecause I'm sitting here going, ‘Wow,
you in your life, the amount of thingsthat you've had in the,

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the amount of
years you've lived, is significantand you've had experiences
that people dream of havingand you've done them.’
I am, I am super lucky and that's whyI started out with inspiration.
I wanted to be, I want to be ableto inspire the next generation.
I'm inspired.
As I said, to do
have everything I've been ableto been blessed to do and much more.

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So I want to be able to helpreplace me a million times over. Yeah.
Yeah.With other people.
So yeah, I've been - I've been blessed.
So, like 32 countries
at last count.
Hopefully it's still so.
I understand it's somethinglike a hundred, a little bit over 100.
Like I want to say it's like 110 countriesor something.

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One of my friends used to work at Disneyand she's no longer there
and she has kept all of her passportsbecause it had every country
that she has traveled, traveledto because of Disney, but also just for, Yeah, I’ll bet she has.
Yeah. for, you know, enjoyment.
And she had told me and I'm going toGoogle it while we're we're talking here,
you know how many countriesthere were in the world.

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I went, ‘Wow,you've been to just about every one.’
Yeah.
So it's a - it's 189.
It's some, we joke, which I do a lot of-
195 it says.
Ok, yeah.
So 189 I think at the U.N.,I do a lot of work at the U.N.
So 195 is the current count.
So we kinda joke.

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It changes on a daily basis
depending onwhose secedign and who’s not. But, um, You’re right.
we, and then I have an international U.N.
organization that we represent, what we,we just had a space event that we had -
we have had over
185 different countries participate.
At the one we were just at?

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Um, no, a different one.
The service of the the MassInternational Space APPS Challenge,
that one we've had
this year alone.
We had over 96, about 96,000 participantsthroughout the world.
And that was across 163 or so countries.
But we've had traditionallyabout 185 participate. Wow.

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So let's talk about that.
And that’s the other nice thing about spaceis it, it's inherently international.
So connect with everybody.
Yeah.
Let's talk aboutwhere did the idea for WIN come from?
I know it was World Innovation.
Network. Network. Yeah.
So where did that comefrom, and what is your why?

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So the why is to
be able to
inspire,as I said, inspire the next generation.
But so world, as we said, is
looking at everything interdisciplinary,looking at our allies and neighbors,
looking at every looking, athow lucky, how, how fortunate we are and

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to be blessed with so, so many resourcesand so much opportunity here.
And how can we be able to empower ourfriends and allies throughout the world
to be able to have similarly?
And how can we,
how can they notjust be sort of consumers of our ideas,
but how they can contribute
to the innovation as well,because they have great ideas as well

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as a matter of fact, many times often betterbecause chall-, through challenges
or through adversity or through necessity,is the mother of invention.
So sometimes the country people that havethe least have the best ideas.
We can't always think
it's just - just us. So, so world,
And then of course, innovationis thinking differently,

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looking at problems
through and not through
all 360 ways of looking at a problem.
And a network is being able to connectall of them,
people that are coming forwardwith their great ideas
and not just,but not just connecting the dots.

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As we often say.
It's really more importantthat we connect the thoughts and be able
to work together and integrate,integrately to be able to
and iteratively to be ableto solve the challenges that we have.
So that's kind of, of courseit's a, it's a winning acronym, of course. Wow.

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Yes. Yes.
Well, that that is really beautiful
there.
Curious about, you mentioned something,
things that you've done,that you've been an author.
I know we're going to talk about thisin the second half of the show.
Do you have other books
that you've written that you'renot going to mention in the second half?
I don't think so.
Not yet.

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Okay. So our listenershave something to look forward to.
Yeah.
And then, Speaker, what were someof the places, what have you talked about?
What is thatspeaking circuit been like for you?
So it was, it's been amazingbecause that's
the, one of the ultimate opportunitiesto inspire and to, to integrate

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and, with communitiesbecause it's really, we call it speaking.
I don't like that wordtoo much actually, though, because it's
because you have toto be able to be a speaker.
You have to do more listeningthat's different than speaking. That’s true.
So when I go
to whatever event I'm speaking,I go, I don't
you know, some people, unfortunately,kind of do drive by speaking.

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They kind of, they kind of fly in.
They - they -they, just in time, you know, a couple,
an hour before the, they're on stageand then they talk and then they leave.
And I really look at a full immersion
like I want,because I want to understand the context.
I understand what people's needs,wants, desires are, what their whys are,

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and so that I can make surethat I'm addressing those and then I'm
helping connect their thoughtsand bring those communities together.
So I just came, just seconds ago,before I came in here.
I was in Houston.
I mean, it just - just -just arrivedfrom Houston, where I was really blessed
to be at the Houston Space Centerthe NASA's Johnson Space Flight Center

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in the
IMAX theater, where I talkedabout the U.N.
initiativethat I am, I'm blessed to be a part of
where we're bringing together right now
over 106 international nonprofits and NGOsthroughout the world
to be able to promote space
for the solving of the SDGs,

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the Sustainable Development Goals.
So poverty, clean
water, education, you know, all the U.N.,this, the 17th, but be able to show
how space can superchargeall of those and help
accelerate our accomplishing thoseall of those goals.
So how many countries didyou say were there?

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So that's 106 different organizations.
Oh, organizations.Yeah, yeah.
And then some many of them are acrossmultiple countries.
So it's a - they representprobably about 160 countries.
Well,
that's significant.
So I imagine not only our president,you've met other dignitaries

(30:27):
from around the world,do you speak multiple languages?
They all speak English, right?Uh...
Yeah.
So I'm not that good on doingmy other languages anymore.
They've unfortunately they're, yeah.
There's so many. Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not, I can barely do Englishactually anymore, unfortunately.
Yeah.I think we're all challenged with that.

(30:49):
But yeah I, I'm there and I know peoplethat I, I used to be able to,
well whenever I go to a country,
I would least learn how to start a conversationand say hi, hello, how are you?
I felt that that was really importantto be able to show respect to their culture. Right.
But then sometimes when I start out,then they was
and if I would get too good at the accent

(31:10):
because I'm listening to everybody eitheron the plane or on vid - on the cassette
tapesor back in the day or on YouTube now.
And if I got too
good, then I could just say hello.
If I said hello too well and -
Too authentically.
Then, then - right,then they would start to like, Like superbad.
Yeah.
And ’Ah, sorry.’,so much, much more careful.

(31:33):
But I.
Yeah, I don't, don't, I haven't been ableto hang on to my languages
as well as I would like.
Oh that's okay.I mean you do great work here.
That's amazing stuff that you do.
So when you're
so the purpose of WIN is to be able to help
pull the world together, obviously closerso that we're
all having mutual conversations about,you know, space,

(31:57):
what does that look likewhen you do this kind of a
I don't know if you're facilitating it
or how it's working,but what happens at these meetings?
So there's - there's all different kinds.
Some are to tackle specific problems,
specific either the achievements

(32:18):
that we nee- the milestones we need to achieve
in - in - in space
as far as exploration or habitation
or settlement or transportation
or communication, you know,all the different things space can do.
Or sometimes they are about,

(32:41):
as I said, being able to superchargethe Sustainable Development Goals.
So how does, how does space help youto be able to look at gender equality?
For instance,by having communication systems that allow
for educationto be beamed anywhere through various
- that down links,

(33:02):
then you really enable
all kinds of great,all kinds of goodness with that education.
But the other area that is space is just
spaces as a trick, as a trigger
to be able to be, the other I word is inspire.
To be able to inspire the next gen

(33:23):
to, to want to explore,to want to learn, to,
to see opportunitiesfor them in the workforce
because of all the different jobsthat space needs.
So you think of you knowa lot of people think of rocket
science, rocket scientists and it's true
you need rocket scientists in space,but you need everybody in space.

(33:45):
You need,you need everything from - from artists
to astronautsand from musicians to mathematicians
and from sculptors to scientists
and from rock stars to rocket scientists,
because space is a, is -has a place for every face.

(34:07):
We need everybody there. Yeah.
And that's one of the unique thingsabout this, the discipline of space
that makes it so exciting and so inspiringbecause it's so inclusive.
And so I'm using that through education,
starting in kindergarten, Kthrough 12, through all of them.
So many amazing partnersthroughout my network, throughout World

(34:30):
Innovation Network, to, to bring
the inspiring nature of space
to the entire next generation and, and use
that as a tool to be able to show them allthe opportunities there are for them,
especially today.
People are seeing they look ahead and go,‘Oh, you know, AI is swallowing up

(34:52):
all these jobs.’ or ‘The economy isn’t so good.’,or, you know, college.
sucks.All these different challenges.
But I want to show some of the positivesand some of the opportunities
that are available.
Mm hmm. I like that quite a bit.
I think that well, just like anything,every industrial revolution
that we've had there,
we know there's been four, to me I'm going,‘Well, we're already in the pits.’ But

(35:16):
there was always a concern when we had
no steam engines, you know.
‘Oh, we've got steam engines.Now what happens?’
‘People are going to lose jobs.’
Well, we get jobs, but there's this place
where the technology is advancing so much.
There's many people.I don't see them getting jobs.

(35:36):
And that's my concern, is sure,new jobs will be created,
but there are those with mentaldeficiencies, physical disabilities
that are not going to fit intoany of those boxes.
They might be a wonderful greeterat Walmart
and they might be a great cashieror an assistant manager at a McDonald's.

(35:57):
But if we turn robots into a, replacepeople with some of these real roles,
these people are not going to necessarilybe able to do something else.
We are making it
so the automationsand the robots are replacing those roles.
So where do these people go?
That becomes my biggest concern is that,

(36:17):
yes, it's wonderful.
But it's also frightening for those peoplethat were not remembering.
So I think it should be frighteningfor everybody.
Yeah. Not just - not just them.
Because we build according to The Jetsons.
I'm going to quote Jetsons now,
‘Be in a two day work week or even a
one day workweek,because the robots run everything else.’

(36:38):
Right. Yeah.
And so how are you going to,how are you going to make a living?
Yeah, make a living.How are you going to make a living?
And also, how are they going to meetnot just the living,
how their purpose - like their mission.
So we talked about space being a missionand - and - and -not just a mission,
but as I say, ‘A mission that matters.’;and that gives people that inspiration

(37:00):
again, that I were the inspirationthat - that, that is so vital to be able
to inspire them to enter
the workforce,to learn, to study, to to be diligent.
So I, I agree.
I mean sure, I'm not sure what - we're I, I -
don't often in public company,a polite company, be able to say that

(37:23):
we're afraid of the - the - the darkunderbelly of - of these technologies.
And I agree people say all the time.
‘Oh yeah when we had ATMswe got rid of the bankers’, or ‘We got -
we had the robots in the car factorythat they were able to change.’
But those changes actually happenedover a, somewhat of a long period of time.
And when we look at them retrospectivelyor in the history books, it's - it

(37:46):
- it seemed quick, but they were, peoplehad time to adjust and time to pivot.
And it's, it's there's -
That’s being lost now.
Yeah I do think, I do think that iterationI agree.
so there's two thingsthe iterations are too, are - are quicker.
Accelerated.
Accelerator, exactlyand, but also our ability to adjust and to -

(38:10):
There's no learning curve.
Is, has been reduced.
We are less agile, kind of more stuck
in our ways than ever before,unfortunately.
And I think our ability to havethat kind of agility and flexibility
that we need, is, has been reduced.
So those two are kind of oppositesand conflicting with each other,

(38:34):
I think though some of the people.
So I think there's a challenge
to everybody, now that, some of the peoplethat have particular challenges
you mentioned will be helpedby some of these technologies
because they'll be able to assist themwith their daily activities,
activities of daily life,

(38:54):
maybe in the oct,maybe not further in the job perspective,
but in the, in their everyday
accomplishments potentially.
So they, they'll,there'll be some beneficiaries there.
But overall, I think that
we - we - there'll be lots of losses.
Mm hmm. I agree.

(39:14):
We're going to go on to another questionhere.
When you look back at your lifeat the place where you are now.
Yeah.
You know, forties, what do you thinkof, this, that you're super proud of?
You wouldn't have recognized itat that age,
but you look back on it, go, Wow,That was a pivotal moment in my life
that changed something for somebodyor changed it for you.

(39:38):
It can be anything honestly.
Sure. So,
there's - there's a number of items.
I won't - I won't get too specific
at some of the family things becauseour - my family members would be mortified.
Yeah.But, so I won't.
But I did.
I was involved very much in bringing

(40:01):
the GPS technologiesinto our everyday life
and being able to have that, you know,
our, not just the tracking of cars,but our automated mapping so people
don't have to have stacks of paper mapsand - and all of the technologies
and the,

(40:21):
the businesses that
- that have been enabled by thatall of our safety that's been increased by
that, by first respondersbeing able to get to you quicker.
So it - GPS technology was initially
a obviously, a military, was withthe government - only military purposes.
And when we first said, ‘Well,why don't we put this in a car?’

(40:44):
Or actually they were in tanks initiallythey were made for only at sea as well
for ships at sea, because you they said,‘Well, on land, we don't need them to land.
We have maps and we have street signs.
So what do we need GPS for?’ I mean -
now with
that seems silly, but - but at the time
that mindset was, you know,people weren't thinking outside the box.

(41:04):
They - they said, ‘Well, we have maps,we have street signs, we don't need GPS.
That's silly.
Why carry around this like brick
to be able to see this Xand Y where we are, we don't need it.’
And so I said, ‘No, no.
I think to be able to have that level ofinstant specificity would be beneficial.’
So I started sodering the GPS transceiverabout this brick, about this

(41:27):
big to a satellite transmitter,
which about this, this big
with about like this.
Then I actually was soldering themto the interfaces together, the GPS,
which was receiving your positionand the satellite
- this is before cellular of coursethis, the satellite terminal

(41:48):
and soldering those, looking at the - what the pins were
and being able to have that first,receiving that first position
location of the GPS and sending it out
automatically, it was,people were like, ‘Well, that's silly.
Like, why do I need that?
I know where they are.
They're right there or they’re rightwhere I left them or right where they call or -

(42:08):
I call them up on the radioand say they are.’
They didn't realize the potential of whatthat would unlock in terms of
all the safety and security andall the business that would enable. And
so that I'mreally excited and proud of where that
- where - where that's headedand what - went - that created. Hmm.
That's interesting.That's one example. Yeah.

(42:29):
Your favorite cartoon, movie,or game about the future and why?
This is scary.
I, so when most people look forward,we talked about A.I.
and most people think aboutwhen they say how scary A.I. is.
They are, they - they think of
something like.

(42:51):
2001 A Space Odyssey.
Yeah.
For instance, HAL taking over,and taking over the ship.
Or they think of The Terminator. Yep.
The Matrix.
Yeah, I,we could be so lucky to get to that point.
I think my - the movie that I fear mostwhen I think about A.I.
for the future is Idiocracy.
I don't know this one. Yeah.
So Idiocracy is whatthe world would look like if

(43:16):
we, that
they didn't really talk about A.I.
specifically in there,but you could see because this.
This was actually before it was a thing.
Before - in between was a thing.
So it was a thing when I was inwas - when I was in school.
And then it became not a thing.
And now it's back.
But Idiocracy iswhen we sort of outsource our brains

(43:39):
and let that somebody elsedo the thinking for us.
Is this a real movie? Yeah.
Do you know when it was - when it came out?
No. I'm going to look it up while you're talking.
Who's in it?
Oh, It's 2006
and it says, oh, Dax Shepard is in it.
That's what's her name's husbandor maybe ex-husband.

(44:02):
I'm not sure now,
Kristen
and Luke Wilson.
Yeah.
Dax Shepard was married toor is married to the Von that.
Oh God, I'm going to look it upwhile we're talking.
Okay.Yeah.
Married to Kristen Bell.
Oh, okay.

(44:23):
Yeah, She's a great actress, and he's,
he's really good, too.
But what is this movie about?
It's about what the world looks likewhen every buddy is uh,
it's called Idiocracy.
So you can imagine it's about -It says -
Yeah, I'll tell you‘The definition of average American

(44:43):
is selected by the Pentagon to bethe guinea pig for a top secret -’
I don't know, something.
And that's where it finished going out.
Is it playing?
It says it's on YouTube.
So I'm going to have to go look for thisone and see, see what this one is about.
I haven't seen it promoted,so it must be a carefully
hidden secret, is what I'm guessing.

(45:06):
I mean, not so much in my circles,but I think in a mainstream.
Yeah. Mm hmm.
Because I think it’s -
Is it funny?
Is it supposed to be satirical?
It's supposed to be,but it's more scary when you think about
because I don't know that it was,so it was designed to be a comedy.
Mm hmm.
But I think it's unfortunately turnedinto a documentary.

(45:27):
Wow,
yeah,
because they can shift based onwhatever it is that’s happening.
Well, that's interesting.
So we're going to take a moment toacknowledge our sponsor, Cat 5 Studios.
And we will be right back.

(45:54):
So we're back to the secondhalf of the show
where we talk about whatthe future is going to look like in 2030.
And my guest again is Robert Katz.
So, Robert, what do you think2030 will look like in the world,
in your industrysince we're talking about space
and what the job opportunitiesmight look like?
Great. So thank you for asking.

(46:15):
So I, I am excited
about what the world will look likein 2030.
The trajectory that we are on, pardonthe pun, in the space
industry is, is, is really excitingand full of opportunities
- and opportunities.
And again, not just for astronautsand rocket scientists but for everybody,

(46:38):
because when we were looking at -and by then we will,
we will begin to have settlements,
begin to settle and have colonies
or permanent presence on at least
the moon and working on - on Marstowards that, towards that.

(46:59):
And we're startingat these new civilizations
on these planets from, from scratch.
We need everybody, not just the astronautthat goes there, but we need
- we need specialists in design
and architecture, philosophy, psychology,
how - how the interaction betweenall these people,

(47:21):
which impacts the design, even impacts
the colors of the, of the habitats.
So it's going to be a very,very exciting time
with lots of opportunitiesfor, for everybody.
And in these industries,if we, if people step up,
I mean, people have to - to - to step up to
unfortunately as I said,‘Get off the phone, get off the tablet,

(47:43):
get off the couch, and engage with allthese opportunities that are before us
with all these learning opportunitiesthat we have available to us.’ Mhm.
So I know that you mentioned somethingabout a book that you're working on.
Why don't you talk to us about this book?What is it?
Because my next question

(48:05):
is the positive and the negative impactthat AI can have on the future.
And I'm going to guessyour book might be around that.
Yes, it is. It is, unfortunately,
we have - we have a lot of good news books.
And so we have to balancethat with some potential warnings.
And so my book is not about the evolution

(48:26):
of our technologies,but the potential de-evolution of us.
And so it's called ‘De-Evolution’.
So how long is this book?
Is it going to be like shortchapters, a vignette?
I'm not sure. Okay.In-between.
So when do you anticipateit being out and available?
Are you going to sell it on Amazon?

(48:47):
Or self-publish? Ok.Everywhere.
Yeah, everywhere, well both.
I mean, but you can self-publishand be on Amazon.
So it's bo - it's going to be both, everywhere. Okay.
Because it's,it should be hopefully a wake up call
and every time I'm about to put it out,there's just too much more juicy
materialthat I want to include in it, too.
Because really almost every daythere's further warnings

(49:08):
about what happens when we outsource
too much of our wealth,too much of anything we outsource to.
We see, okay, cars are great.
But, you know, we used to walk aroundall the, all the time
and walk places,and we would stay in good shape.
But when cars come or - there bikes are,and those are great inventions.

(49:29):
True, but they also reduce our levelof fitness platform that we have in ourselves.
When we, people
used to -again- just have a good vocabularyor good spelling.
And then now we can have dictionaries
that we can look up, wordsyou don't have to remember.
Oh, people don't even usedictionaries. Yeah, exactly.
So we don't.
But so when we, when we outsource

(49:51):
too much of something to, so outsource
now too much of our brain to AI then
or to computers in generalor even our social interactions,
we're outsourcingtoo much of our social actions
to social media,which is ironically a misnomer.
It's usually it's un-social media,as I call it.

(50:12):
Then we - we lose our social skills
and so we will lose our cognitive abilityif we continue
outsourcing our cognitive capacityto technology too much.
And it's, it'swe talk about this um, switch
because if we look at our toolsthroughout our evolution,

(50:33):
which is the core of the book,when we got the spear,
we were as empoweredas to be able to, to eat or to hunt.
And then we got more protein throughbecause we've got, we have animals,
not just vegetables, which makes ourbrains bigger and more cognitive ability,
but also allowed usto have better protection
against predators.

(50:56):
And then we got fire and,and we kept progressing and then we got
books or
tablets, printing pressand all of these tools,
all these inventions allowed us to
to grow as a civilization, as people.
And then we started to get

(51:18):
computers and okay, maybe, yes,
we have access to all this information,but also we can be more?
I’m playing games all dayand not you know, I'm
not saying there’s anything wrong with games,of course, but Yeah.
Every Well, you - not everybody's going to be an influencer and buying.
It’s like food.
We can't have unlimited food.
We have to have the right amount.

(51:38):
So just like games.
So we, we don't want to abuse and,and then we have well, I mean too much
connectedness resultsin disconnectedness, ironically.
So now our tools today
have a somewhat of a disruptive effectto our -
to our growthinstead of a productive effect.

(52:02):
That's what I talk about to the pointthat we are
completely relying on technologyfor all of our interactions
and not having the interactions as peoplethat are so important to our,
our - our own well-being and our
- that of our, our communityand that of our civilization.
So it is a, somewhat of a warning

(52:23):
sign that we
should be able to disrupt that de-evolution.
I agree with you.
I see the pendulum swingingin the other way because remote work
using a lot of AI tools.
I've noticed this about people,and it's, it's impacting all ages, people,
their ability to have short termor long term

(52:45):
memory is rapidly disintegrating.
And that's the keyword there.
They go, ‘Oh, what was that?’
I know I do it and I used to have to know
everybody'sphone number and I had it memorized
and I used to have to knowhow to do math in my head.
And I used to be able to write cursiveand things that were,

(53:07):
we take for granted.
If you're from a certain generation,you know, because I know that they started
eliminating some of these thingsin different generations, it means that
people do
not have the abilityto have an intelligent conversation.
They get so much anxietyabout having to speak with people.
So how are you know,I sit here and go, ‘Well, you

(53:30):
- we're going to have to teach peoplehow to be human.
We're going to have to teach themhow to have interaction. Yeah.
We're going to have to teach themhow to have
not just interaction, but relationship,what work relationship,
what personal relationship looks like.’Exactly.
That's exactly what I'm, that - that's
exactly what I’m talking about.I'm on the same page.
I mean I think that part of the - so in social media

(53:52):
or unsocial media, if weMhm.
in - in one way we’re hiding behind
the anonymity that, that
a lot that
unfortunately permitspeople to have interactions
they otherwisewouldn't have in person. Right.
And then sometimesthose become disregulated

(54:13):
and then they can't havea regular conversation,
especially because they're not usedto being able to interact with somebody
and, and, and appreciate their ideas.
And because their ideas, like we said,listening more than speaking to talk about Right.
and in social media they're used to,if they don't like
somebody to push a button,they block them, you know, turn them off.

(54:33):
And in real life you can't do that.
So we, we need to really get backto being humans again.
I, I, I agree totally.
So I'mhoping that your book is touching on
not just like calling it out,but ways that
we can reengage and we can change this.Yes.
Some suggest-

(54:53):
yes.Yeah, so that - that would be immensely helpful.
So what does -Disrupt as I say, disrupted the evolution.
MM hmm.
I know we've been talking about thispretty much throughout the whole show,
but if you have something specificthat we haven't already mentioned,
that would be great.
What is the positive impactthat AI can have on the future of work?
Because there areyou know, we talked about it.

(55:16):
It can, it can produce the abilityto be more creative
because, you know, I'm not having todo a tedious task over again. Yes.
Absolutely.
But tedious tasks teach us things, too.
So I guess it's a double edged sword.
But you have to be so I mean, everythingit gives you,
you should be able to validate like youI mean, you,

(55:37):
you need to validate, you have to,things have to still be sourced.
Then you have to give recognitionto where those ideas may have come from.
If they, if they because, unfortunately,we have - it used to be
that you would have attributionfor people, specific ideas.
And of course there are -there is some litigation

(55:59):
going on about this because then oncethey're sucked up into the,
to the ether of the Internet,then sometimes that's lost.
And initially for some of the tools,
there was no references at all.
I would just spit outwhat they thought was the results
and you would have to manually checkand what you should - I mean it

(56:22):
would check and cross-reference everythingit would give you.
But you have to question everything.
Now in that process of questioning,everything, not just, you would
hopefully learn you’re essentially reverseengineering where they - it -
the answer it gave youand then going back to the source.
And so it gives you a head start.
But you still should be doing

(56:44):
that - that - that breadcrumb trail yourself.
Yeah.
To be able to understandand then learning through that process
so that you can understandand then you develop that, the processes in
- in with yourself as well and then be able
to better interact with itbut also better interact with people.

(57:05):
I mean, it all should result in being ableto better interact
with people because those, as you said,those relationships are what's important.
Yeah, exactly.
So something that I'm glad you'rementioning, mentioning the citations
and ways that we validate, we doublecheck to see, is this legitimate?

(57:26):
Is it a primary sourceor a secondary source?
And those are principlesthat we learn in school.
Well, depending onYou’re supposed to.
yeah, depending on what level you are,you may not learn about it.
And if you're in a community college,but you should be learning
definitely about it.
If you're in a PhD or a Master'slevel for sure,

(57:46):
and it should be happening in a four yearcollege, it should be.
I think that going to collegewill become something that's a privilege.
A lot of the schoolswill continue to collapse
as online education
takes a stronger foothold in life.
I believe that what we will seeis that those that do

(58:08):
get to go to college onthe ground are more
privileged.
They'll have financial privilegesso that they will be able
to gain some of those social skillsthat are needed,
those that go to school, and they do itall online.
I think that there's going to be lessdeep connection
with people because it's through eating,through touch,

(58:32):
through all of our senses,of being in a room with a person.
And I don't mean that in somethingthat's provocative.
I'm just talking about just,you know, you're in a room with people
and I just want to make sureI'm clarifying that for listeners. Yep.
There is
so much that we can createthat's experiential
in a work environmentthat we cannot replicate it.

(58:55):
I don't care how good it is Augmented, Virtualeither way, Realities
are not necessarily a replacement for
humans. Yeah.Absolutely. Yep.
And so especially in the space industry,but a lot of our,
our education will be more
career oriented, career focused.

(59:16):
So there's, there's so many great
opportunities for technical skills,
for building things
as, as we get,especially when we're building a lot,
we need lots of infrastructure in space toget to space here on the ground as well.
But there's some people are - are really need

(59:38):
to look at their - theirtheir educational journey.
Similarly to we spoke aboutcan they make a full circle
about innovation and beginwith the end in mind say, you know,
‘This is where - this is where I see my place.
This is the - the occupation.
I want, I aspire to.
And this is - these are the different pathsto get there.’

(01:00:00):
And some of those pathsmay involve college and many may not
and some may involve
being able to have a combinationof apprenticeships and internships
and community collegeand then beginning the career
and then having the opportunity of havingthe employer pay for it potentially.
So we need to,but we need to begin with that end in mind

(01:00:23):
by looking at ‘Where do we see ourselves?Where do we aspire to?’
Unfortunately, too many
students just go to college and say,
‘I'm just going to go to college,I'll figure it out.’
And I - that doesn't always happen.
They um -
I actually am a big advocate of slowingdown a little bit and not rushing right

(01:00:46):
in. So many, many high schools are justyou're on a treadmill
somewhat.
I won't,I won't be pejorative against the schools,
but some people say rat race.But we won't say that.
But I mean, I know
middle schoolersor even earlier than middle school
that are already saying,‘I need to do this because this looks good
on my college application.’,
and they're starting studying for the SATswhen they were in elementary school.

(01:01:09):
So we need to have some time to be ableto think about where we see
ourselves in the world, all the differentoccupations and careers that are available to us.
And we - you don't typically always have timein a lot of high school programs
to do that.
So I'm a big fan of being able to
take a
look at and shadow and mentorand be out there

(01:01:31):
and whether that's through afterschoolor junior achievement
or all kinds of different programsor a gap year
right after - after high schoolbe able to explore.
I actually am an advocateof a space gap year as well.
So something that's modeledafter the Peace Corps.
I'm working on a national programcalled the Space Corps

(01:01:54):
or Star Corps,where you’d have the opportunity
to step into a space related career
role and explore, pardon
the pun, that career opportunity for youbefore you
put yourself into a trajectory
in collegeor, that may not be right for you,

(01:02:17):
that may not be the fitand allow you to have that opportunity
to explore the different possibilitiesthat you may not know about. Hmm.
I like that very much.
You know,
one of my guests that I had on earlierhe was telling me about, and I know that
anytime we do Hackathons, itjust exponentially it changes everything. Yep.

(01:02:38):
Your mind gets rewired.
And he was telling mebecause he has a theater background, Oh that’s awesome.
that they, therewas this kind of a Hackathon in 48 hours.
You had to produce a filmand they would get a packet.
Everybody had to sign up for thisand they would get a packet.
They would go meet complete
strangers, just like a Hackathonand be able to go, okay.

(01:03:01):
They were given certain
pieces of information, like, here'sa little, here's the theme.
Here was something to writewith something,
some hints and some other clues,if you will, to be able
to put together a film about this theme.
What I
liked about that is when he described itas that.
It sounds like a Game Jamand it sounds like Startup Weekend

(01:03:23):
and it sounds like everythingthat I've ever gone to that's always been
accelerated experientialand relational opportunities to learn.
And he goes, ‘Yeah, exactly.’
And I went, ‘I did not know they had that.’
So I'm hoping that your space corpis going to be something like that
so you can figure out,‘Oh, we need to fail fast.’

(01:03:44):
‘No, I do not want to be in spacebecause I have a fear of claustrophobia.’
‘I do not want to be in a space suit.’
‘I would rather be a technician that's,you know, whatever.’
Building the building,the rocket building, the launch pad
or doing research onhow we can grow plants and,
and The Botanist.
Yes, exactly. Yeah.
There's all kinds of, there's all roles for

(01:04:07):
everybody.
So do you see those as being moreof a virtual reality type of a
opportunity to figure this out,or would it
be truly as much hands on as possible?
Both.Okay.
So everything would start in virtual realityor simulation.
And then, of course, there's no betterplace to do that than where we are here.
We're speaking from Orlando.

(01:04:27):
The simulation capital of the universe,at least the known universe.
Here we are.
So it's a perfect launchpad,if you will, to space
because we need to simulate everythingand work out all those kinks
before we actually do it,before we do the last I implementation
and where we can do that, the other I,the iteration here

(01:04:51):
through simulationbefore we actually do the implementation.
So we, really simulation providesso many opportunities
for people to have those experiencesand also to be able to have - that
rapid failing fast, as you talked about.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we've talked a lot about the positiveand the ethical dilemmas,

(01:05:15):
and it's hard to believewe're like at the end.
So we're going to beyeah, we're going to be - Oh no!
No, it's been a great conversation.
You should -
you've already crafted the conversationwith your five words
throughout the whole show.
So, no, you've been a perfect guest.
So what do you thinkis the best mentoring advice
that you want to sharewith our listeners about the future?

(01:05:36):
So I would say there's so many.
But -That's okay.
You can say more than one.
Well, follow your ABCs.
What is that?
Always Be Curious.
Always be curious.
Be curiousso that I always want to, we talked about
I always want to explore,always want to expand your horizons,

(01:05:56):
whether that be expanding your knowledgeor spending, expanding your capabilities,
expanding your career.
But it also means on a small every daysort of question everything.
We talked about that in terms of usingAI to get answers and results.
I don't take everything that that's, thatthe AI says as gospel.

(01:06:17):
No, it's not. Yeah.
Or as anything anybody else says.
Now if it's your parents,maybe a little bit differently.
But, but in general, always be curiousand have a healthy skepticism.
Sometimes the more people soundlike they know what they're talking about,
the less they really do.
I mean, that's the most brilliantpeople in the world will say, ‘Oh,

(01:06:39):
this is how I see things.
This is what I think.’leaving the door open.
So really, always, always be curious,always
be, have healthy skepticism,always check and double check
for referencesand always want to expand your horizons.
ABC - Always Be Curious.

(01:07:00):
Yes, I love that.
That's a very solid piece of advice.
Now, how can our listeners contact?I always give a LinkedIn profile
so they'll, they'll have that and this showdescription and also on a close card.
But your -what your website, what is it?
Simple WIN, W I N Dot N G O

(01:07:21):
Perfect, perfect, well I have enjoyedhaving you as a guest. This is delightful. I’ve enjoyed it too.
I am so blessed.
Yeah. Really really very blessed.
The feeling is mutual.
We're in each other's fan club for sure.
So just so you know, listeners,I want you.
I hope that you follow up with him.
This gentleman is a wealth of knowledge,
and he gives continuously to so many areas,and to so many groups.

(01:07:44):
And his organization is a nonprofit.
So please go and support when you goand look there,
drop him a check or something over there.
And it's not for him,it's for the work that he does.
So thank you so much. Awesome. Thank you so much.
It's really such a blessing to be hereand all the work that you do.
We are so gratefulto have you in our community.
Oh, thank you.

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