December 30, 2024 • 21 mins
Jessica Denson, a former Trump campaign staffer, shares her riveting journey on the Jack Hopkins Show, revealing how she transformed from a campaign insider to a fierce advocate for democracy. Hear how she bravely challenged the NDA imposed by Donald Trump, exposing the underbelly of political silencing. Jessica's story is one of courage and personal transformation, offering listeners a unique perspective on the broader fight against the misuse of NDAs. Her tale not only illuminates her own path of resistance but also speaks to the larger implications for our democratic processes.
In a time where the peaceful transfer of power is under scrutiny, we reflect on the crucial role of political figures and the importance of staying resilient in a turbulent landscape. As a former Republican, I share my journey towards embracing Democratic ideals and the pressing need for assertiveness in today's political discourse. We extend an invitation to unite in Washington, D.C., from January 3rd to 5th, for a peaceful demonstration defending our democratic principles. Let's explore creative solutions, like crowdfunding, to overcome logistical hurdles and ensure a powerful presence. This episode is a call to action, urging all to stand firm for democracy when it matters most.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Jack Hopkins Show podcast, where
stories about the power of focusand resilience are revealed by
the people who live thosestories and now the host of the
Jack Hopkins Show podcast, JackHopkins, Hello and welcome to
the Jack Hopkins Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm your host, jack Hopkins.
Today, I have as a guestJessica Denson.
Jessica is a former Trumpstaffer who sued to get out of
an invalid NDA and suedsuccessfully, I might add.
She's been doing some prettyimportant work since that time
(00:44):
and is with me today to tell youabout something very important
coming up in just the next fewdays.
So let's get right into thisepisode with Jessica Denson.
So, jessica, I first becameaware of you as a former Trump
(01:06):
staffer who successfully sued toinvalidate an NBA.
It takes some guts to goagainst Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thanks, jack, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You know that's probably not a decision you took
lightly, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No, it wasn't.
I mean gosh.
We're going back so far rightnow, in 2017, when I first
decided to sue.
It was not initially to sue forthe NDA, it was a human rights
lawsuit for defamation andhostile workplace.
It was, you know, absolute,like reign of terror that I
lived under in the Trumpcampaign in 2016 and joined them
, completely brainwashed andmisled by right wing media,
(01:57):
which was the echo chamber thatI lived in for a good eight
years.
But back in 2017, a year after Ileft the campaign, I had a real
existential crisis, which wasbasically understanding that I
couldn't move forward in my lifewithout taking a stand about
what had happened to me and Ididn't think that anybody would
(02:20):
really care.
And I had to battle all of thesekind of feelings of false
humility and self-worth and, youknow, lack of maybe, lack of
feeling like my story matteredto anybody else.
And I had to get past all ofthat and realize that I couldn't
live with myself if Iexperienced this sort of
corruption on a presidentialcampaign and didn't take action
(02:42):
Like where.
What kind of credibility wouldI have moving forward in my life
?
If I didn't take action Likewhere, what kind of credibility
would I have moving forward inmy life if I didn't do something
.
So that prompted my initialaction pro se in 2017, because I
didn't have the time orresources to get a legal team
before my statute of limitationsexpired, and it triggered this
fight where they came after mefor one point five million
dollars for violating thisludicrous NDA of theirs, and
(03:09):
then I was like oh yeah, youwant to come for me, let me.
let me show you what I'm made of.
I sued them again to void theNDA, ended up Two lawsuits, two
arbitrations later, voidingevery single NDA that was signed
by a Trump staffer in 2016 in acourt of law, with a precedent
which is like unheard of,because these are arbitration
(03:31):
agreements.
So it was truly divine.
You could have never legallystrategized what happened in my
case, but that's what we wereable to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Wow, and from the outside, looking in, it seems as
though that's kind of the theforce field around him, that
that he lived by these ndas.
Right, that's how he's been ableto do so much and keep so many
people quiet, because he locksthem in legally and then they're
frightened exactly okay, and Idon't know if you knew it or not
(04:02):
, but I myself am a formerrepublican, uh who I voted for
donald trump in 2016, and and Ihad my own personal crisis
during that first administration.
So we both find ourselves in atotally different place.
So let's talk about the placeyou find yourself in now and
(04:26):
what you are doing.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, first, I want to say onething to you, jack, and that's I
think that we have this incommon.
I think, having having come outof it, you find yourself being
one of the strongest advocatesagainst it, absolutely.
Because, you truly understandhow dangerous and abusive it is,
right, but I mean I've beenadvocating since 2017.
(04:52):
You know, like I was, I didn'twait to have my freedom.
I spoke out very early on.
I went on national televisionfor the first time in early 2019
and said you know, we're in avery dangerous place.
We need all hands on deck toconfront this problem and even
though my story has never beenmainstreamed, I mean I've been
fighting ever since and where weare right now, jack, is kind of
(05:17):
an unthinkable place.
We have this man who is aconvicted felon, who had
multiple indictments against himfor crimes against democracy
Let us be clear crimes againstthe American people, against our
republic, and those chargeshave been thrown out for a man
(05:39):
who we know to be a Russianasset.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
We know.
Let's just say at a minimum youand I don't have to go into the
particulars of all of theinterference at this in this
election, but at a minimum weknow that russia and billionaire
oligarchs had a role in puttinghim into back into this
position for their own interests, not for the welfare of our
country.
And bottom bottom line there isa black letter, section three,
(06:10):
amend of the 14th Amendment ofour Constitution that says this
man cannot, cannot fulfill thepresidency legally period.
And I've done.
You know I host a show calledLights On.
I've done extensive reportingover the past few months.
I kind of started after theelection focusing on what I
thought we should be payingattention to as far as election
(06:31):
anomalies and all the people whosaid their ballot wasn't
counted and you know, justcommon sense, non-gaslighting
election hygiene that sotragically so much of the left
was terrified to even talk about.
For fear of being compared toMAGA, which is the ultimate
gaslighting.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I mean the ultimate.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
If we can never have a conversation about election
hygiene again, we can justpretty yes, because this is
extremely serious.
Every single member of Congressthat votes to certify Donald
Trump's electoral votes withoutobjection and without raising an
(07:21):
amnesty bill to see if he canget the two thirds vote
necessary to clear him of hiscurrent status as an
insurrection, every lawmakerthat does that will be in
violation of their oath to theConstitution to defend our
country against all enemies,foreign and domestic.
So literally, jack.
(07:41):
In the last week and a half Ihave partnered with a group of
citizens concerned, citizens whoare saying not on my watch, not
on my watch.
We have to take our place inhistory, we have to do something
about this, and we haveorganized a historic
demonstration in Washington DCfrom the 3rd to the 5th of
(08:05):
January it's called 14th Now.
You can find out details atnowmarchorg.
We are finalizing as we speak.
You know I delayed thisinterview several times today,
because I have been on the phoneall morning with my team
locking the details down,locking down our speakers, and
(08:31):
we are going to show uppeacefully, 100% peacefully.
We're going to be the totalpolar opposite of the January
6th people, but we are going tolet Congress know that we
understand what their obligationis to us and to the
Constitution, and that they havean obligation to abide by that
and every mortifying consequencethat you hear being discussed
(08:52):
in the mainstream media rightnow.
We don't have to live throughthat.
We have a guidebook.
We have a founding document.
We have something that so manypeople have lost lives and
sacrificed for generations.
For that.
It will protect us from all ofthose eventualities.
(09:13):
If only we will have thecourage to abide by it, and we
shouldn't be standing foranything less, frankly.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Right, and just kind of going through some of your
former podcast episodes onLights On, I saw that I don't
know how recent this was, butyou had Lawrence Tribe on and
correct me if I'm wrong, butLawrence Tribe supports and
backs everything that you aresaying about the 14th Amendment.
(09:42):
Am I correct in that?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Lawrence Tribe agrees , as do every constitutional
scholar that I've spoken to,that in spite of the ruling in
Trump v Anderson that abysmal,awful judicial train wreck of a
ruling that said Trump could notbe kept off the ballot in
Colorado in spite of that, hemisinformation that you're
(10:12):
getting from some so-calledpro-democracy outlets.
This is his status period, endof story.
He remains constitutionallydisqualified, finding that was
adjudicated up through theColorado Supreme Court and, by
the way, in Illinois and Mainethrough their process of
(10:33):
determining whether someone wasan insurrectionist.
So this man is an adjudicatedinsurrectionist period, end of
story.
And yes, lawrence Tribe fullyagrees with that.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
And thank you for highlighting that, because I
think that's so important forpeople to know is this is not
something that's an ongoingdebate.
It is end of story as far asthat application goes.
Why do you think and I guess inthe grand scheme of things, I
(11:03):
don't know that it matters,because we know what needs to
happen, but why do you think?
I know that most well, I won'tsay most, but a high percentage
of people in Congress arethemselves attorneys, yeah, okay
.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
At the very least, even if they're not
constitutional lawyers, theyhave a basic understanding of
many different facets of the law, much better than someone such
as myself.
Sure, I think it's fair to saythey know their obligations.
Yeah, why do you think, jessica, so few of them are acting as
(11:44):
though they're not certain ofthis obligation?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I have some theories, jack.
I guess I can share them withyou.
I know one of the excuses thatthey're giving, and I've seen
this in letters that they haveresponded to constituents with,
and that is that we arecommitted to a quote peaceful
transfer of power which is sucha straw man argument.
(12:11):
It's such a because, I'm sorry,is peacefully objecting to an
insurrectionist becomingpresident, not a peaceful
transfer of power.
What is not peaceful about that?
In fact, it is in defense of apeaceful transfer of power that
you would object to hiscertification.
Yes, so that is one they are.
(12:32):
They are wholly, it seems,unable to handle optics of
politics which, just you know,makes you wonder why they went
into politics in the first placeto not be able to take the
reins on a conversation andreframe the narrative.
But I think, I think that Ithink there is fear, and I think
(12:55):
they would probably privatelygive you the excuse that they're
afraid of their own personalsafety which, as I discussed on
my on my show last week, isincredibly selfish.
And I say this with a genuineacknowledgement of the threats
they face.
I am not negating that ordownplaying that, but to for
(13:19):
them to act out of that fearwhen the consequences for the
average American, who has somuch less security and
protection than each and everymember of Congress, does.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Is incredibly selfish .
And why did they go to intopublic service in the first
place?
If, first of all, I think therehas been so much bluster behind
the intimidation and threats ofMAGA and we, if we are
capitulating in advance tothreats of violence while we
(13:53):
still do have our democracyRight, that is an extreme we
have.
We have essentially cededeverything we have in totally,
totally given up.
So I think there's a lot ofthere's that's the excuse
they're giving themselves, Ibelieve.
I believe there's a lot ofwanting to cover for each other
so that they have some kind oflegitimacy moving forward, which
(14:17):
that's what this peacefuldemonstration aims to do to say,
no, listen, we see you, weunderstand your obligation, we
know the oath that you've takenand if you fail us, sorry folks.
Your hot takes on cable newsare not going to clear your name
in history.
This will be your legacy.
(14:37):
Your legacy will be lettingdown the Constitution and our
freedom and survival as arepublic when it mattered most
and our freedom and survival asa republic when it mattered most
.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right, very, very well said.
I'm not going to put you on thespot and ask you, but I will
tell you as a former Republican,one of the most troubling
things for me as someone now inthis party has been just the
lack of willing to throw up the,the proverbial fist and say
let's get it on.
Yes, one of us is going to walkaway, but we'll find out.
(15:14):
And I think that's where, andI'm certainly not setting myself
up as on a pedestal as somesomebody who's leading that
front.
That's not what.
I'm saying but I think peoplelike us can play a very valuable
role in this party because webring a different aspect.
(15:34):
I think there's people who havebeen Republican most of their
lives.
I think there's a differentthread through them that you
don't automatically lose whenyou switch parties.
You agree to a different set ofstandards and back and support
that, but you bring with yousome of the grit and the
(15:57):
elements that you had as aRepublican, and so I think it's
so important that somebody likeyou, who demonstrated your grit
when you were still in the as aTrump staffer- yeah.
Yeah, demonstrates that you, youdon't let fear Back you into
(16:19):
the corner and get you to agreeto something that's not
acceptable to you.
What can people do right now?
Let's say what can people do ifthey can't attend?
How can they help support this?
And then, if people are goingto attend, give me just a little
bit of the kind of the bulletpoints on that.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Sure, and I just want to say one point on what you
just said.
First of all, I am anindependent, like I.
First of all, I am aindependent.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'm a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Democrat supporting independent.
But I proudly reclaim myindependence, even as a
Republican.
I was independent then, but nowI will always, for life, be a
lifelong independent who, my God, supports the Democratic Party.
But for God's sakes, get yourshit together already.
(17:07):
And I just wanted to say onething about that point is that
how many Democrats OK, not justformer Republicans, but how many
Democrats in that party are fedup with the lack?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
of that is a great point, I see their own party.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
They are desperate for it, desperate for it.
So, but how can you help us?
First of all, go to nowmarchorg.
Nowmarchorg, please registerright now.
Please join the movement,whether or not you can join us
in DC, but please, if it is anyway in your capacity, get
(17:38):
yourselves there, please.
We cannot get this moment back.
We need bodies.
We need the most visibleshowing of a physical presence
in one place, peacefully, amillion times peacefully as we
can possibly get.
So, while I will tell you, weare going to give you options
(18:00):
for points of action that youcan take from wherever you are,
my number one request is, if youhave it in any way possible to
get yourselves to Washington DCon January 3rd to 5th, please
try to do it.
You know, put out a GoFundMe totry to.
You know, ask for help onsocial media.
We are doing our ownfundraising.
(18:21):
Well, please understand, we arejust a group of citizens here.
We have no special resources.
So we have massive, massiveexpenses that we are going to be
trying to fund ourselves.
But don't be shy aboutcrowdfunding, about getting
together with other people tocarpool, to just do anything
possible to get yourselves thereon January 3rd to 5th.
(18:44):
And please, as I mentioned,press the Join the Movement
button.
I don't want to announce plansin advance, but I can tell you
99% sure that we are going to bein front of the Supreme Court
on the morning of January 4thand 5th and we are just
ultimately finalizing our exactlocation for the 3 third, which
(19:05):
will be very close, in closeproximity to there.
So it will be an ideal location, highly highly visible.
It will be cold.
So please, if you're coming,prepare for cold weather, but
we'll keep each other warm themore people we have, the more
body heat there is to keep eachother warm.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I was going to say your number one request, then,
is warm bodies in DC.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Warm bodies in DC.
Warm peaceful bodies in DC.
Absolutely, Absolutely yes.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Fantastic.
Look, I just want to thank youfor being out front and leading
this thing.
As I come back to that internaluh, you, you saw something that
was unacceptable and you, youdidn't just open your mouth.
(19:53):
That would may have been astarting point, but then you
followed through with action and, as you said, you got a
sweeping change on those ndas,which is change on those NDAs
which is marvelous Jessica.
Thank you so much One more time.
How can people find youpersonally?
Me, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I am everywhere on all platforms, at
JessicaDenson07, mostly on BlueSky, I would say, second most on
Instagram, definitely.
Please subscribe to my YouTubechannel, jessica Denson.
The handle there is alsoJessicaDenson07, but if you just
search Jessica Denson inYouTube, I'm going to pop up
there with my white jacket on.
(20:32):
That's me, perfect.
Please subscribe.
That's the best way to find outmy new content.
But please, everybody,nowmarchorg hashtag.
14thnow Post it anywhere.
Do an Instagram, do a TikTok.
14th now Post it anywhere.
Do an Instagram, do a TikTok.
Just put it out.
Try to flood the airwaves andsocial media waves with the news
(20:53):
of this and spread it far andwide.
We truly can make a mark here.
Don't let anybody tell you wecan't.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Perfect.
Listen, I'm going to get thiswrapped up and I will get this
episode out there and post asquickly as possible so we can
help spread the word from thatangle as well.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate you, Jack.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You have a great evening and rock the third
through the fifth.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yes, amen to that.
God bless you, my friend.
Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
As well.
Nice to meet you.
Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye.
Welcome to the Jack Hopkins Show podcast, where
stories about the power of focusand resilience are revealed by
the people who live thosestories and now the host of the
Jack Hopkins Show podcast, JackHopkins, Hello and welcome to
the Jack Hopkins Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm your host, jack Hopkins.
Today, I have as a guestJessica Denson.
Jessica is a former Trumpstaffer who sued to get out of
an invalid NDA and suedsuccessfully, I might add.
She's been doing some prettyimportant work since that time
(00:44):
and is with me today to tell youabout something very important
coming up in just the next fewdays.
So let's get right into thisepisode with Jessica Denson.
So, jessica, I first becameaware of you as a former Trump
(01:06):
staffer who successfully sued toinvalidate an NBA.
It takes some guts to goagainst Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thanks, jack, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You know that's probably not a decision you took
lightly, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No, it wasn't.
I mean gosh.
We're going back so far rightnow, in 2017, when I first
decided to sue.
It was not initially to sue forthe NDA, it was a human rights
lawsuit for defamation andhostile workplace.
It was, you know, absolute,like reign of terror that I
lived under in the Trumpcampaign in 2016 and joined them
, completely brainwashed andmisled by right wing media,
(01:57):
which was the echo chamber thatI lived in for a good eight
years.
But back in 2017, a year after Ileft the campaign, I had a real
existential crisis, which wasbasically understanding that I
couldn't move forward in my lifewithout taking a stand about
what had happened to me and Ididn't think that anybody would
(02:20):
really care.
And I had to battle all of thesekind of feelings of false
humility and self-worth and, youknow, lack of maybe, lack of
feeling like my story matteredto anybody else.
And I had to get past all ofthat and realize that I couldn't
live with myself if Iexperienced this sort of
corruption on a presidentialcampaign and didn't take action
(02:42):
Like where.
What kind of credibility wouldI have moving forward in my life
?
If I didn't take action Likewhere, what kind of credibility
would I have moving forward inmy life if I didn't do something
.
So that prompted my initialaction pro se in 2017, because I
didn't have the time orresources to get a legal team
before my statute of limitationsexpired, and it triggered this
fight where they came after mefor one point five million
dollars for violating thisludicrous NDA of theirs, and
(03:09):
then I was like oh yeah, youwant to come for me, let me.
let me show you what I'm made of.
I sued them again to void theNDA, ended up Two lawsuits, two
arbitrations later, voidingevery single NDA that was signed
by a Trump staffer in 2016 in acourt of law, with a precedent
which is like unheard of,because these are arbitration
(03:31):
agreements.
So it was truly divine.
You could have never legallystrategized what happened in my
case, but that's what we wereable to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Wow, and from the outside, looking in, it seems as
though that's kind of the theforce field around him, that
that he lived by these ndas.
Right, that's how he's been ableto do so much and keep so many
people quiet, because he locksthem in legally and then they're
frightened exactly okay, and Idon't know if you knew it or not
(04:02):
, but I myself am a formerrepublican, uh who I voted for
donald trump in 2016, and and Ihad my own personal crisis
during that first administration.
So we both find ourselves in atotally different place.
So let's talk about the placeyou find yourself in now and
(04:26):
what you are doing.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, first, I want to say onething to you, jack, and that's I
think that we have this incommon.
I think, having having come outof it, you find yourself being
one of the strongest advocatesagainst it, absolutely.
Because, you truly understandhow dangerous and abusive it is,
right, but I mean I've beenadvocating since 2017.
(04:52):
You know, like I was, I didn'twait to have my freedom.
I spoke out very early on.
I went on national televisionfor the first time in early 2019
and said you know, we're in avery dangerous place.
We need all hands on deck toconfront this problem and even
though my story has never beenmainstreamed, I mean I've been
fighting ever since and where weare right now, jack, is kind of
(05:17):
an unthinkable place.
We have this man who is aconvicted felon, who had
multiple indictments against himfor crimes against democracy
Let us be clear crimes againstthe American people, against our
republic, and those chargeshave been thrown out for a man
(05:39):
who we know to be a Russianasset.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
We know.
Let's just say at a minimum youand I don't have to go into the
particulars of all of theinterference at this in this
election, but at a minimum weknow that russia and billionaire
oligarchs had a role in puttinghim into back into this
position for their own interests, not for the welfare of our
country.
And bottom bottom line there isa black letter, section three,
(06:10):
amend of the 14th Amendment ofour Constitution that says this
man cannot, cannot fulfill thepresidency legally period.
And I've done.
You know I host a show calledLights On.
I've done extensive reportingover the past few months.
I kind of started after theelection focusing on what I
thought we should be payingattention to as far as election
(06:31):
anomalies and all the people whosaid their ballot wasn't
counted and you know, justcommon sense, non-gaslighting
election hygiene that sotragically so much of the left
was terrified to even talk about.
For fear of being compared toMAGA, which is the ultimate
gaslighting.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I mean the ultimate.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
If we can never have a conversation about election
hygiene again, we can justpretty yes, because this is
extremely serious.
Every single member of Congressthat votes to certify Donald
Trump's electoral votes withoutobjection and without raising an
(07:21):
amnesty bill to see if he canget the two thirds vote
necessary to clear him of hiscurrent status as an
insurrection, every lawmakerthat does that will be in
violation of their oath to theConstitution to defend our
country against all enemies,foreign and domestic.
So literally, jack.
(07:41):
In the last week and a half Ihave partnered with a group of
citizens concerned, citizens whoare saying not on my watch, not
on my watch.
We have to take our place inhistory, we have to do something
about this, and we haveorganized a historic
demonstration in Washington DCfrom the 3rd to the 5th of
(08:05):
January it's called 14th Now.
You can find out details atnowmarchorg.
We are finalizing as we speak.
You know I delayed thisinterview several times today,
because I have been on the phoneall morning with my team
locking the details down,locking down our speakers, and
(08:31):
we are going to show uppeacefully, 100% peacefully.
We're going to be the totalpolar opposite of the January
6th people, but we are going tolet Congress know that we
understand what their obligationis to us and to the
Constitution, and that they havean obligation to abide by that
and every mortifying consequencethat you hear being discussed
(08:52):
in the mainstream media rightnow.
We don't have to live throughthat.
We have a guidebook.
We have a founding document.
We have something that so manypeople have lost lives and
sacrificed for generations.
For that.
It will protect us from all ofthose eventualities.
(09:13):
If only we will have thecourage to abide by it, and we
shouldn't be standing foranything less, frankly.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Right, and just kind of going through some of your
former podcast episodes onLights On, I saw that I don't
know how recent this was, butyou had Lawrence Tribe on and
correct me if I'm wrong, butLawrence Tribe supports and
backs everything that you aresaying about the 14th Amendment.
(09:42):
Am I correct in that?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Lawrence Tribe agrees , as do every constitutional
scholar that I've spoken to,that in spite of the ruling in
Trump v Anderson that abysmal,awful judicial train wreck of a
ruling that said Trump could notbe kept off the ballot in
Colorado in spite of that, hemisinformation that you're
(10:12):
getting from some so-calledpro-democracy outlets.
This is his status period, endof story.
He remains constitutionallydisqualified, finding that was
adjudicated up through theColorado Supreme Court and, by
the way, in Illinois and Mainethrough their process of
(10:33):
determining whether someone wasan insurrectionist.
So this man is an adjudicatedinsurrectionist period, end of
story.
And yes, lawrence Tribe fullyagrees with that.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
And thank you for highlighting that, because I
think that's so important forpeople to know is this is not
something that's an ongoingdebate.
It is end of story as far asthat application goes.
Why do you think and I guess inthe grand scheme of things, I
(11:03):
don't know that it matters,because we know what needs to
happen, but why do you think?
I know that most well, I won'tsay most, but a high percentage
of people in Congress arethemselves attorneys, yeah, okay
.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
At the very least, even if they're not
constitutional lawyers, theyhave a basic understanding of
many different facets of the law, much better than someone such
as myself.
Sure, I think it's fair to saythey know their obligations.
Yeah, why do you think, jessica, so few of them are acting as
(11:44):
though they're not certain ofthis obligation?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I have some theories, jack.
I guess I can share them withyou.
I know one of the excuses thatthey're giving, and I've seen
this in letters that they haveresponded to constituents with,
and that is that we arecommitted to a quote peaceful
transfer of power which is sucha straw man argument.
(12:11):
It's such a because, I'm sorry,is peacefully objecting to an
insurrectionist becomingpresident, not a peaceful
transfer of power.
What is not peaceful about that?
In fact, it is in defense of apeaceful transfer of power that
you would object to hiscertification.
Yes, so that is one they are.
(12:32):
They are wholly, it seems,unable to handle optics of
politics which, just you know,makes you wonder why they went
into politics in the first placeto not be able to take the
reins on a conversation andreframe the narrative.
But I think, I think that Ithink there is fear, and I think
(12:55):
they would probably privatelygive you the excuse that they're
afraid of their own personalsafety which, as I discussed on
my on my show last week, isincredibly selfish.
And I say this with a genuineacknowledgement of the threats
they face.
I am not negating that ordownplaying that, but to for
(13:19):
them to act out of that fearwhen the consequences for the
average American, who has somuch less security and
protection than each and everymember of Congress, does.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Is incredibly selfish .
And why did they go to intopublic service in the first
place?
If, first of all, I think therehas been so much bluster behind
the intimidation and threats ofMAGA and we, if we are
capitulating in advance tothreats of violence while we
(13:53):
still do have our democracyRight, that is an extreme we
have.
We have essentially cededeverything we have in totally,
totally given up.
So I think there's a lot ofthere's that's the excuse
they're giving themselves, Ibelieve.
I believe there's a lot ofwanting to cover for each other
so that they have some kind oflegitimacy moving forward, which
(14:17):
that's what this peacefuldemonstration aims to do to say,
no, listen, we see you, weunderstand your obligation, we
know the oath that you've takenand if you fail us, sorry folks.
Your hot takes on cable newsare not going to clear your name
in history.
This will be your legacy.
(14:37):
Your legacy will be lettingdown the Constitution and our
freedom and survival as arepublic when it mattered most
and our freedom and survival asa republic when it mattered most
.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right, very, very well said.
I'm not going to put you on thespot and ask you, but I will
tell you as a former Republican,one of the most troubling
things for me as someone now inthis party has been just the
lack of willing to throw up the,the proverbial fist and say
let's get it on.
Yes, one of us is going to walkaway, but we'll find out.
(15:14):
And I think that's where, andI'm certainly not setting myself
up as on a pedestal as somesomebody who's leading that
front.
That's not what.
I'm saying but I think peoplelike us can play a very valuable
role in this party because webring a different aspect.
(15:34):
I think there's people who havebeen Republican most of their
lives.
I think there's a differentthread through them that you
don't automatically lose whenyou switch parties.
You agree to a different set ofstandards and back and support
that, but you bring with yousome of the grit and the
(15:57):
elements that you had as aRepublican, and so I think it's
so important that somebody likeyou, who demonstrated your grit
when you were still in the as aTrump staffer- yeah.
Yeah, demonstrates that you, youdon't let fear Back you into
(16:19):
the corner and get you to agreeto something that's not
acceptable to you.
What can people do right now?
Let's say what can people do ifthey can't attend?
How can they help support this?
And then, if people are goingto attend, give me just a little
bit of the kind of the bulletpoints on that.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Sure, and I just want to say one point on what you
just said.
First of all, I am anindependent, like I.
First of all, I am aindependent.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'm a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Democrat supporting independent.
But I proudly reclaim myindependence, even as a
Republican.
I was independent then, but nowI will always, for life, be a
lifelong independent who, my God, supports the Democratic Party.
But for God's sakes, get yourshit together already.
(17:07):
And I just wanted to say onething about that point is that
how many Democrats OK, not justformer Republicans, but how many
Democrats in that party are fedup with the lack?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
of that is a great point, I see their own party.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
They are desperate for it, desperate for it.
So, but how can you help us?
First of all, go to nowmarchorg.
Nowmarchorg, please registerright now.
Please join the movement,whether or not you can join us
in DC, but please, if it is anyway in your capacity, get
(17:38):
yourselves there, please.
We cannot get this moment back.
We need bodies.
We need the most visibleshowing of a physical presence
in one place, peacefully, amillion times peacefully as we
can possibly get.
So, while I will tell you, weare going to give you options
(18:00):
for points of action that youcan take from wherever you are,
my number one request is, if youhave it in any way possible to
get yourselves to Washington DCon January 3rd to 5th, please
try to do it.
You know, put out a GoFundMe totry to.
You know, ask for help onsocial media.
We are doing our ownfundraising.
(18:21):
Well, please understand, we arejust a group of citizens here.
We have no special resources.
So we have massive, massiveexpenses that we are going to be
trying to fund ourselves.
But don't be shy aboutcrowdfunding, about getting
together with other people tocarpool, to just do anything
possible to get yourselves thereon January 3rd to 5th.
(18:44):
And please, as I mentioned,press the Join the Movement
button.
I don't want to announce plansin advance, but I can tell you
99% sure that we are going to bein front of the Supreme Court
on the morning of January 4thand 5th and we are just
ultimately finalizing our exactlocation for the 3 third, which
(19:05):
will be very close, in closeproximity to there.
So it will be an ideal location, highly highly visible.
It will be cold.
So please, if you're coming,prepare for cold weather, but
we'll keep each other warm themore people we have, the more
body heat there is to keep eachother warm.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I was going to say your number one request, then,
is warm bodies in DC.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Warm bodies in DC.
Warm peaceful bodies in DC.
Absolutely, Absolutely yes.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Fantastic.
Look, I just want to thank youfor being out front and leading
this thing.
As I come back to that internaluh, you, you saw something that
was unacceptable and you, youdidn't just open your mouth.
(19:53):
That would may have been astarting point, but then you
followed through with action and, as you said, you got a
sweeping change on those ndas,which is change on those NDAs
which is marvelous Jessica.
Thank you so much One more time.
How can people find youpersonally?
Me, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I am everywhere on all platforms, at
JessicaDenson07, mostly on BlueSky, I would say, second most on
Instagram, definitely.
Please subscribe to my YouTubechannel, jessica Denson.
The handle there is alsoJessicaDenson07, but if you just
search Jessica Denson inYouTube, I'm going to pop up
there with my white jacket on.
(20:32):
That's me, perfect.
Please subscribe.
That's the best way to find outmy new content.
But please, everybody,nowmarchorg hashtag.
14thnow Post it anywhere.
Do an Instagram, do a TikTok.
14th now Post it anywhere.
Do an Instagram, do a TikTok.
Just put it out.
Try to flood the airwaves andsocial media waves with the news
(20:53):
of this and spread it far andwide.
We truly can make a mark here.
Don't let anybody tell you wecan't.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Perfect.
Listen, I'm going to get thiswrapped up and I will get this
episode out there and post asquickly as possible so we can
help spread the word from thatangle as well.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate you, Jack.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You have a great evening and rock the third
through the fifth.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yes, amen to that.
God bless you, my friend.
Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
As well.
Nice to meet you.
Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye.
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