March 5, 2025 • 52 mins
In a critical conversation about the current challenges facing democracy, this episode focuses on the proactive measures needed to reclaim power from authoritarian influences.
With the march on March 14th on the horizon, the discussion emphasizes the essential role of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment and how it serves as a bulwark against political threats.
Our host and guest delve into personal narratives that not only recount past struggles but also highlight the momentum building behind this upcoming event.
Listeners are encouraged to join the movement as they explore the core reasons why collective action is vital for preserving democratic values. The energy is palpable as our hosts compel citizens from all walks of life—not just political activists—to lend their voices in this fight. This episode functions as both a rallying cry and a guide, outlining how individuals can engage in meaningful ways.
In these tumultuous times, the message is clear: Everyone has a stake in the fight for democracy. Tune in to understand the urgency of action and how you can contribute positively.
The hosts invite you to embrace this vital conversation and prepare to make your voice count—starting with joining the march on March 14th. Make your plans to participate, because your presence matters in the fight for our shared future. Let’s ensure that we stand united, not just for ourselves, but for generations to come.
Jessica Denson is an Emmy and Murrow award-winning journalist, actress, and communications professional. She has appeared in television series such as "Show Me a Hero" (2015) and "Person of Interest" (2011).
In 2016, Denson worked on Donald Trump's presidential campaign and later sued the campaign for workplace harassment.
She also challenged the campaign's nondisclosure agreements (NDAs), leading to a federal judge invalidating these NDAs in 2023. Denson continues to engage in public discourse, advocating for transparency and accountability in political processes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, jessica, welcome.
This is your second time on theJack Hopkins Show podcast and
what a thrill it is to have youback.
You've always got such energyabout what you are doing and I
can tell you are bursting at theseams with energy today to tell
me what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Jack, thank you so much for having me back.
Such a pleasure to be on withyou.
We are doing 14th, now 2.0.
Last time I was here, we talkedabout how we were peacefully
protesting and organizing inWashington DC to pressure
Congress to reject Trump'selectors based on Section 3 of
the 14th Amendment, which theywere obligated to do and should
have on January 6th.
(00:40):
It was an amazing movement andwe realized that was really just
our warm up act.
We are living through thehorrors.
My God, what are we a monthinto this administration?
I'm about to talk to TimothyRyback on my show, who wrote a
book about Hitler and how hedismantled democracy in 53 days.
I mean, this is, we have notime to Zero.
(01:01):
So we are organizing the firstmajor demonstration in the
nation's capital on 3-14.
We're taking our numbers.
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Extending this movement to all.
It is a call to veterans, it isa call to people who are
aligned with Ukraine in the freeworld, to people afraid of
losing their Social Securitywith Ukraine in the free world,
to people afraid of losing theirsocial security, to friends and
allies of the immigrantcommunity, to anyone and
everyone who does not want tolet democracy die on our watch
and stand up for freedom in thisvital hour where we have no
(01:37):
time to waste.
So we're doing this again on3-14.
I will tell you, jack, thistime it is going to be massive.
We have an incredible momentumbehind us and you can find out
everything about it atnowmarchorg, which is the same
website.
The 14th Now, grassrootsOrganization has kept alive and
we're doing this againnowmarchorg nowmarchorg yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And take as many times as you want throughout
this episode and remind peoplewhere to go nowmarchorg.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Okay, and take as many times as you want
throughout this episode andremind people where to go.
Yes, nowmarchorg, and the eventis called Now DC, now DC.
We're in affiliation with 5051and they've done such amazing
work across the country in these50 state, 50 event protests,
but we realize we really need topick one day to concentrate all
(02:27):
of the effort in their facesJack, in their effing faces,
okay to let them know that we,the people, have the power.
We're claiming that power andwe're not going to stand another
second for this authoritariancoup that they're trying to pull
off.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And that's exactly what it is.
It is.
Take just a moment, if you willand I mean I know and you know,
but just for anybody listeningthat might not be clear talk to
me about what has changed interms of our reality since just
the last time that we spoke.
I don't know exactly how longthat was ago, but it wasn't that
(03:07):
long ago.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
It's really unthinkable, I think.
To be honest with you, Jack,the only thing that makes me
feel not as scared and outragedas the average citizen is the
fact that I'm so activelyworking against it.
I don't even have time to absorbit, but when you do step back
for a second, it's unthinkable.
(03:31):
Unthinkable the fact that ElonMusk and this group of
20-year-old hackers has seizedour Treasury Department and
multitude of other agencies.
Thousands of federal workershave been fired.
Migrants who came into thisprocess legally seeking asylum
are sitting in Guantanamo Bay.
(03:54):
We are aligned with Russia andNorth Korea against the free
world.
I mean, this is just, you know,the tip of the iceberg.
We've got about 60 days left onan executive order that Trump
put out on day one, sayingmilitary.
Tell me how I can invoke theInsurrection Act.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean it's it's unthinkable.
It's unthinkable.
And to think that we can justpiecemeal address this.
And I'm all for listen.
I'm all for the legal advocacy.
You know I'm all for listen.
I'm all for the legal advocacy.
You know I'm a legal advocate.
So I'm all for using the courtsand every mechanism and God
bless every organization, entity, ag, whoever that's doing that.
(04:36):
But we have to take broadstrokes.
We have to be talking aboutimpeaching and removing this man
immediately.
We have to be talking about thecontinued disqualification that
he has.
He's an illegitimate president.
I had this conversation with aconstitutional scholar last
night on Lights On Like.
We have the people in powerthat purport to be on our side.
(04:58):
As much as we love them theJasmine Crockett's, the Bernie
Sanders they need to be not justgiven great speeches and great
TikTok videos, okay, they needto be using the legislative
tools that they have cometogether as a caucus and start
normalizing the conversationabout getting Donald Trump, elon
Musk and JD Vance the hell outof power because they do not
(05:20):
have authority to be there.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Absolutely.
And you know, last night andI'll preface this by saying I'm
not suggesting that this wouldhave been any more effective in
terms of changing somethingother than the impact that it
would have on the peoplewatching.
And first of all, I applaud AlGreen last night Al Green, all
(05:43):
the way right.
Yes, and the only thing I cansee and I'm just basing this on
my personality had it have beenme, it would have probably taken
more hands-on action by thesergeant at arms to remove me.
I might not have gone aswillingly, and what just wrapped
(06:07):
my head sideways was to watchthat Al Green was the only
Democrat that had to be removed.
I would have liked to have seenthat entire speech interrupted
by every single Democrat havingto be removed.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Thank you, yes, 100 percent, jack.
I mean that's what I saidleading up to it that entire
caucus needed to have a unifiedwalkout.
That's what needed to happenlast night.
They could have.
What an opportunity, and wecan't afford any more missed
opportunities for.
God's sakes, what an opportunitythey would have had to
completely steal the show, walkout of that collectively as a
(06:53):
caucus, stage their own pressconference outside, declare the
illegitimacy of thisunconstitutional president.
I mean a lot of them it's.
You know, after January 6th.
Those of us in the 14th Nowmovement have a particular kind
of disdain for anyone who triesto invoke the Constitution now
without acknowledging how theyabandoned it on January 6th.
(07:14):
But we do have a Constitution.
We have violated the thresholdissue.
Getting this man into that WhiteHouse where he's basically a
squatter, has no legal authorityto be there.
And they could have I mean,that's what I would have liked
them to do in a press conferencebut God, they could have done
anything Make a freakingstatement.
I mean you have to use I havethese conversations on Lights On
(07:39):
all the time, and I'm sure youdo too, jack about how the
Republicans don't give a shitwhat anybody thinks about them.
They don't give a shit whatanybody thinks about them.
They don't give a shit aboutoptics.
They're taking our Constitution, burning it down.
They are doing all kinds ofthings that are not even
remotely tethered to law, thatare literally federal crimes.
It's just that we don't have aDepartment of Justice to enforce
(08:01):
federal crimes at the moment,and we can't even use the law
and the Constitution creativelyand radically and, you know,
with an inspired, visionarymotive behind us.
I mean, for God's sakes, startdoing it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yes, you know, I don't know whether you've
noticed or not but in the lastthree weeks to a month, to say
that I've elevated the intensityof my posts on Blue Sky and
Twitter would be anunderstatement, and I think many
people may be missing thereason I'm doing that reason I'm
(08:48):
doing that, the reason I havedone that and taken it so over
the top and so intense, isbecause we always compare where
our behavior is to someoneelse's, and I'm trying to get
people to raise their thresholdas compared to mine, Because if
you get used to following me andseeing every day that I post,
that just curls your hair andthrows your eyelashes back
(09:12):
without realizing it, you mightfind yourself being more intense
in your posting and it willstill be considerably below mine
, mine but it will be abovewhere your former threshold is
and from my take, that's.
You know, you, you talk aboutthe republicans not giving a
(09:33):
shit.
That is their strength.
Yes, I can't emphasize thisenough.
That is their power.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I to you know to to to watch they do it.
Jack, with corruption, withlies, with, with, with crimes.
Can't we do it with truth, withlaw?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Can't we?
I mean, for God's sakes, it issuch, you know, this almost
comes if you bring this reallydown to a human level and you
think about like I've had, justas a woman, uh, as I've grown
and my own sense of self-worthrealized, like if you know
somebody who doesn't respectthemselves, who has a gift or a
(10:12):
talent but they don't use it.
It's such a shame.
Oh that's a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You don't want to.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You don't want to align with that person, right,
you know, and that's I mean.
Like, in my growth as anindividual, I've really realized
how much I have to honor anduse my own gifts If you don't
use them you are you know, andthese people supposedly have
these gifts and they sure ashell have a toolkit to use, and
(10:40):
what a dishonor, what a disgracethat they're not using these
gifts that they have.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's like playing on a baseball team with somebody
who you know has the ability tohit a home run every time at bat
, but they are content to stepup and hit a single every time
at bat because they don't wantto show off or whatever other
reason they come up with At somepoint.
Potential power is wasted power.
(11:08):
Yes, right, yes, we are on thatpoint.
Let me come back to this,because you talk about
illegitimate president.
Per the answer, I think it'sfar simpler than we want to
admit.
But why do you think we do nothear top Democrats talking about
(11:31):
an illegitimate president?
They know the same thing thatyou and I know they do.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It is.
It's unexcusable.
Jack, first of all listen.
Granted, I know that if theystart acknowledging it now, they
would have to address theirabdication of duty on January
6th.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So there's a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But listen, I'm in the forgiveness business as soon
as you come to the right side,I'm here for you.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You bet, you bet.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So listen, I don't know, but they need to be
confronted.
They genuinely need to beconfronted.
The media could be picking upthis mantle, like you said, and
I love what you said aboutnormalizing the tone of your
posts, because you understandthat you and I with a platform,
but frankly, each and every oneof us is a narrative setter,
(12:19):
like we are all creating theconversation Right and that's
why on my show on Lights On, I'mgoing to put my hat on so my
hair stays out of my face.
Everybody's always sayingJessica, get a hair clip.
It's not that easy.
Normalize these conversationsand get people to understand
(12:47):
from a constitutionalperspective why Donald Trump is
not qualified.
By the way, at nowmergeorg wehave a legal authority page.
It quotes and cites thepreeminent constitutional
scholars in our country.
I had one of them on again lastnight on my show reiterating
this point, because the Section3 conversation is not dead.
(13:07):
Any single one of them to thisday could be simply starting a
conversation, like you said.
I don't know why they're doingit, but we're going to pressure
the hell out of them to do itand saying this man is
constitutionally disqualified.
The only way that gets removedis by a two thirds vote of both
(13:28):
houses of Congress.
That's it.
So failure on any level if theyjust start the conversation is
a success.
The whole national discourseabout this presidency and the
tools that we have to extracthim from this power seat that he
illegally inhabits would changeif they simply acknowledged it.
(13:50):
Damn well, time to acknowledgeit.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Who do you see as and there aren't many who do you
see as the leaders in theDemocratic Party right now
spearheading things for us?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Al Green.
I mean, al Green is the closestthat we've got.
I'm going to be really honest.
And people are always sayingyou know Jasmine Crockett, aoc,
and listen, I love them.
I used to have Jasmine on myshow regularly.
Ok, I used to have her on myshow regularly, regularly, okay,
I used to have her on my showregularly.
The problem I have with aJasmine Crockett an AOC, a Chris
(14:29):
Murphy, a Bernie Sanders, anyof them is that yes, they're
calling out the insanity, yes,they're saying it's wrong, it's
unconstitutional, they've nowdiscovered, but they're not
using the levers they have like,especially those people with
the massive following that theyhave.
Imagine if one of them joinedAl Green with his articles of
(14:50):
impeachment.
Right, he's the only one that'sdone.
It is Al Green.
That entire caucus, this DonaldTrump pardoned individuals
convicted of seditiousconspiracy on day one.
That is an act of treason.
This man is in one act of themultitude of illegal acts he
committed on day one of hispresidency, he committed treason
(15:11):
.
There should be no otherconversation other than how do
we get this man out of officenow?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
There should not.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And it doesn't matter , like I've had John Bonifaz on
my show, he's the president ofFree Speech for People.
They've started a campaign toimpeach Donald Trump.
By the way,impeachtrumpagainorg is their
website.
Go sign the petition.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But you know, john came on my show.
He's like it doesn't matterthat they don't have the numbers
.
That's not the point.
They need to hijack theconversation, hijack the
narrative, like the Republicansdo All they should be talking
about every day.
And I'm so tired of like I I'mfrankly tired jack of people who
(15:52):
say, oh, we're gonna, likethat's not the way you get
through to maga, or like wedon't, we don't want to offend
them.
We have to be inclusive.
We have to talk about, like theprice of eggs.
I'm like it just drives meinsane, right, like you just
have to freaking, take the reinsand talk about what is going on
.
And yes, people want a hero,people want a leader.
They will come to you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
And what they are really saying.
What that conversation reallyalways comes back and anchors to
is we only want to do thingsfrom within this box because
it's the box that is acceptableto us.
Anything outside of it is toorisky and that is a losing
strategy.
(16:32):
Yes, 100%, it is a losingstrategy.
Yes, you know to your point.
I have people from time to time,especially in this last month,
who will message me and say Jack, with some of my posts, Jack,
you're hurting your brand.
Well, first of all, look, mybrand is an accident.
I did never set out to be.
(16:52):
You're like me, Right, I'm justwho I am and a brand developed.
But I don't get on thinkingabout a brand.
We look.
The idea that somebody wouldthink that anyone is working
towards their brand, if they'rereally dedicated to preserving
democracy, is nuts to me.
It's nuts to me.
(17:13):
We are in.
It's now or never.
As you indicated within thefirst 60 seconds.
It's now or never.
As you indicated within thefirst 60 seconds.
It's now or never.
There's no time for wait.
There's no time for let's seewhat it's now.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It is, it is 100% and what you're saying?
Like your brand, I'm the sameway.
I fell into this by accidentbecause, um, you know, I I have
no ambitions, even right now, ofbeing a podcaster.
Like, that is not my thing, I'mjust I have a voice.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's just an extension.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Exactly.
I mean, I just simply have avoice and a and a perspective
and an understanding that I haveto share with you, so I have a
podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And to, to.
To that point, look, and I'msure you know I I've never used
this platform to, to you know,call people out on air.
I won't do that now.
But one thing that is veryirritating to me I do know, and
so do you, um, so do you, socialmedia influencers who are
(18:22):
primarily concerned about theirbrand and who do only post
certain things and a certain waybecause their brand is the
primary concern and not thefight.
And look, I don't give a shitif my entire Can we name names?
Yeah, we could.
I think they'd both be the sameright.
(18:43):
Once we get over the hump, Idon't care if everything I have
here dissolves and goes away.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's not about that.
No, it's about I want mydaughters, my son, to be able to
live in the kind of countrythat you grew up in and that I
grew up in.
That's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, 100 percent.
Listen, I'll name names and Idon't know if you were talking
about Midas Touch, but weprobably talked last time I was
here about the fact that I hadto leave their network to talk
about election anomalies andthen the Section three
conversation.
They just ran a completecounterative, trying to tell
Democrats that they didn't haveto do anything.
I guess you know Trump is goodfor business.
(19:25):
Like you said, it'sself-preservation.
But I put out a call on mynetwork, on my show on Lights On
last week.
I said you know what?
Midas Touch is out there sayingthey're fearless and
independent now and they went onMSNBC saying they're now the
pro-constitution, pro-democracychannel.
I'm like wow you discovered theConstitution Great Right, by the
(19:45):
way, since you're fearless andindependent and you're now the
pro-constitution platform.
Here's what you need to do youneed to promote the hell out of
314.
You need to send all of theMidas Mighty to nowmarchorg to
get the peaceful masses,millions of people in Washington
DC on 314 to take a stand forour democracy and say no, this
(20:13):
is not okay anymore.
So any of your viewers today,I'll invite them to flood Midas
Touch with comments on Blue Sky,twitter, instagram, youtube,
wherever your chosen platform is.
Flood them with comments about314, nowmarchorg and ask the
Midas brothers, the Mycelisbrothers, especially Ben and
Popak on Legal AF.
Ask them why they're notpromoting nowmarchorg and
(20:35):
hopefully we get them on board.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
And viewers and listeners of the Jack Hopkins
Show podcast.
You now have your homeworkassignment.
There you go, so tell me alittle bit about the response
that you had and the internalfeedback from your last event
(20:58):
and how much of that played arole in the one that's coming up
.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know what?
It was incredible and and itwas not.
It was not a massive showing ofbodies in DC on that day.
Granted, it was about sub.
It was sub zero, I mean it was.
I have never been so freezingand been both in pain and yet
not able to feel my feet at thesame time Right, right, Numbness
(21:22):
and pain kind of a weirdcombination, right.
Yeah, we were troopers out there, but I will tell you we raised
a lot of money.
We had an incredible amount ofsupport from all over the world
and I will tell you and Congressknew we were there after we
gave our speeches.
We had seven speakers overthree days.
I mean it was the understandingfrom those of us, from those
(21:47):
that were aware of us, withoutmassive publicity.
You were wonderful inplatforming us a few others, but
there was not massive publicityother than my own show.
So, with the limited reach thatwe had, the amount of support
was extraordinary and we were inthose halls of Congress.
I met Adam Schiff the day thatthey were sworn in on this
Congress.
We were in the offices of somany lawmakers.
(22:11):
They knew we were there.
We put them on notice and Iwill tell you was we were kind
of branding this event now DC,um and I was talking to some of
the people at 50 51 and kind ofjust talk, talking about what we
were going to call this eventand, um, he's like you know what
you have with 14th now is isreally special and it's
(22:33):
established and peopleunderstand what it is and I
think, um, you know, you know wesay on the website.
We stood in the breach.
We really laid down a markerfor history and it was extremely
important.
And, like I said, jack, Ireally feel like that first
movement was just.
I wish it didn't have to be, Iwish it was the end, I wish they
listened to us, but it was thewarm-up act for what we're doing
(22:57):
now and I thank God for all ofboth the scholars that have been
brave enough and clear enoughto state what the constitutional
requirement is for what we'redealing with, and the people
around the country who have hadthe intellectual curiosity to be
(23:20):
engaged in this enough.
So it's a beautiful movementand, like you'll see on
nowmarchorg yes, 14th Now is theorganization.
We're doing the legwork.
But listen, this movement isfor anyone and everyone.
You want to take your place inhistory.
You don't want to wait anymore.
You know we can't wait anymore.
(23:40):
This movement is for you.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Fantastic.
You know one thing.
I asked your name, you said AlGreen.
Al Green, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Look, I have been for several weeks now.
I have been aggressivelycalling out leaders within our
own party, in the DemocraticParty, and I've caught a lot of
hell for that, and my responseto that is will you better keep
bringing a lot of hell then,because I'm not going to stop.
Whether you are the CEO of acompany, a Boy Scout leader, a
(24:18):
third grade elementary schoolteacher, yeah.
It doesn't matter whether it isthe doctor's son or the
janitor's son.
When somebody's not living upto what you expect out of them,
you call them out, you put themon the spot.
Call them out, you put them onthe spot.
(24:39):
And your refusal to do so tellsme it doesn't bother you as
much as you might say in yourpost.
That's kind of encrypticallycoded because you don't want
anybody to think you're actuallycalling out the elected leader.
You know what I mean?
We are not in mamby pamby timehere.
We are in direct black andwhite, clear, no ambiguity.
(25:02):
Yes, and so I follow up withthem.
How do you think with publicleverage, what tools do we have
to get them?
Let's speak about JasmineCrockett, for example.
I think what Jasmine Crocketthas become very good at is
(25:24):
creating viral moments Right,viral moments, and they're
feel-good videos to watch and tolike and to pass on and you get
a little charge.
But if that's all there is, youdo that, I do that, right, lots
of people do that Right.
(25:45):
Use the power and the tools thatyou have, don't just talk about
them Exactly, and in some cases, they won't even talk about
them because they're afraid thatif they do, then they might be
expected to use them.
Yeah, it's insane to me.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, it is.
I mean, you're asking me how dowe get them to do it?
I mean one thing I've seen somany comments from my viewers
that say I'm not giving theseDemocrats another dime.
They're out there begging formoney.
I'm not giving them anotherdime until they start doing
something as you said doingsomething?
And do we want to defund ourparty?
No, but we damn well have touse the leverage.
(26:25):
We have to get them to do whatthey need to do.
It's all we have.
We have to use it.
By the way, I think they'reincredibly naive to think that
we're going to have anysemblance of a normal election
in two years or four years, withElon Musk and Donald Trump
right rolling elections, youknow, taking over the FEC,
(26:46):
destroying mail in, votingthrough the post office, god,
all God knows what else you knowthey have cooked up to to stop
people from being able to vote.
You know Donald Trump made acomment a few weeks ago about
how the midterms are going to befixed.
And the blue?
You know the blue is just goingto disappear off the map.
I mean, are we, do we really,are we hearing any of this?
(27:07):
We really think we're justgoing to another election cycle
and things are going on.
They're not.
They're not.
So, I mean with Jasmine inparticular, and listen.
I love what she's done, I loveher voice, I love her fight.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Oh, I do too.
I love all of that.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But especially with people like her.
We have to be tough on them.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
We cannot right now, like we were talking about a few
minutes ago, the talent'swasted.
We can't cheer them on whenthey're not using those talents,
the real talents.
We have to withhold that praiseuntil they really put up.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You know what?
I'm going to catch hell forthis.
But I catch hell all the timeanyway, so it doesn't matter.
I tell people all the timehuman behavior, it's just like
training a puppy.
It is exactly like training apuppy.
Puppy, it is exactly liketraining a puppy.
Yeah, if you reinforce behavioryou do not want, you are going
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to get more of the behavior youdo not want.
It's very simple, and yet I seepeople all the time rewarding
the very incompetence they saythey're angry about.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Thank, Thank you yeah .
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's a very great point and you boiled it down to
a very simple metaphor, and it'svery true.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It'll turn into a jack calling women dogs.
You know something like that.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I didn't hear that.
I didn't hear it you know.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
look.
Here's the thing is.
I think I found out, as youhave to Look, if you're going to
be online, if you are going tobe on social media, if you're
going to do podcasts, look,there's going to be a segment of
the population that's going totake anything you say, turn it
around and demonize it.
So I just say what I want tosay anyway, because you can't
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prevent it, so might as wellcommunicate the message.
Yes, what's been the strangest,most mind-boggling thing you've
encountered when you are outTalking to people within our own
(29:23):
party man, I'm talking higherup the food chain what
resistance, if any?
Maybe you haven't run into anyat all, but what resistance, if
any, have you run into?
That just kind of rocked youback on your heels and, to give
you an example, you just broughtone up.
Look, anytime I hear Democratstalking about the midterms as
though they're going to benormal midterms, I'm like what
(29:47):
world are you living?
on right now.
This is stupid.
It is stupid to say it's notgoing to be normal.
There may, in fact, not bemidterms.
If you want to get right downto it, yeah.
So what do you encounter?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
With the higher ups.
Oh man, where do we start here?
I mean listen, let's.
Let me give you a few things.
So I've had some privateconversations just on the
election anomaly front that I'vedelved into deeply, on Lights,
on fearlessly handled thegaslighting.
I've had some conversations Iwon't name names with other
people with massive platformsbigger than yours or mine, jack,
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and they have privately told methat their conversations with
other high-ups in the DemocraticParty were conversations where
people acknowledged that theythought something was wrong with
the election.
What a tragedy, what a tragedythat these people acknowledged
that privately but could notgive a peep about it publicly.
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And I just heard I mean we'vehad little peeps, you know,
after the night before Trump wasillegally inaugurated, of
course, that insane rally wherehe thanked Elon Musk for his
good work with the vote countingmachines, and right after that
you had Jasmine Crockett and DanGoldman make comments.
I mean this was like where haveyou people been?
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They acknowledged it and it'slike, oh my God, where have you
been?
We've been screaming from therooftops and I heard just today,
apparently Maxine Watersacknowledged it, which is great.
It's great when they do.
I'm glad that they do, but thefact that they missed that boat
and we are likely living with aman who was not elected, who is
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tearing apart our democracy andengaged in authoritarian coup
like we are already hungry andon our way to Russia Like we're
already there.
It's unthinkable.
But one other thing I was goingto say about private
conversations, like when we werein the halls of Congress in
those few days in early January,with 14th now, trying to get
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them to reject Trump's electors.
There was a lot of receptivity,both from actual members of
Congress not Adam Schiff, by theway, I mean he was very stoic
when I talked to him but fromother members of Congress and
their staff.
There seemed to be a realunderstanding and
acknowledgement and, you know,empathy with the cause.
(32:16):
And these people remember Jack.
I mean in those halls ofCongress, most of those people
lived through what Donald Trumpdid four years before that
disqualified him, that deadlyinsurrection where his
supporters left feces on ourstatues honoring, you know, the
founders of this country.
I mean it was unthinkable forthem.
(32:38):
On a very personal level, Sure.
So to go from that experience tothen watching, on January 6th,
the deafening silence.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Not one peep from one of them.
Right, it was like watching azombie apocalypse.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I mean I it's hard to convey the way that I felt, and
I think most of us involved inthis movement felt- when you
mentioned there were members ofcongress who have acknowledged
and know deep down at thecellular level that something
was wrong with the election andyet have never come out on MSNBC
(33:22):
, CNN, anywhere on a bigplatform and said look, here's a
problem.
I've had things like that comeonto my radar while I've been
sitting in here before, and onthe other side of my studio is
my son's bedroom and I swear Ican't tell you the number of
times I've been so pissed offthat I knew in that moment and
(33:49):
that's what I felt like doing Iwas so pissed off I could
probably get on one side of theroom and run hard enough and
break through the sheetrock andwhatever else is in the way,
into your son's bedroom.
Into my son's bedroom, becausethat is and I guess I want to
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see more of that and hopefullywe will that level of I'm pissed
from the American citizens,right?
Yes, look, you know this.
This is not going to be solvedpurely by traditional means.
(34:32):
It's not If the people want tostay home, if the people don't
want to come to events likeyours, not just so you have an
okay event, but so you have anevent that gets national, maybe
(34:53):
international, news coverage.
If people aren't willing to dothat, then they are
communicating pretty clearlythat they are willing to lose
their Social Security, that theyare willing to lose Medicare,
(35:16):
that they are willing to justlay down.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
And so many millions of people and you know them have
said throughout their life,when speaking of the Holocaust,
it would have never went downlike that here, or if I was
there, or whatever.
Show us, yeah, show us.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Because right now what we are watching is you are
online or in line to board thecattle car.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, to board the cattle car.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, now, that may sound like over the top, but if
it does, the person it soundsover the top to is not paying
attention.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's not over the top .
You know that saying.
And then they came for me,right.
And then they came for me andone of the books that I has
become a motto for my show whichis, I'm sure, book that you
know well is Timothy Snyder's ontyranny um, or one of the
chapters, and it's the chaptertitled stand out, stand out, um,
(36:25):
and it's something that maybefeels uncomfortable at first.
Uh, you have to get past thatoriginal initial feeling of
discomfort and, by the way, it'sthe best thing in the world,
like honestly if you're justliving a comfortable life and
you're not looking and ignoranceis bliss to you like that is
freaking, boring life, sorryit's, it's, it's useless right
(36:50):
it is, it is, it is, and I justwant to take that to like a lot
of this feels doom and gloom.
But one thing that I and this ismy spiritual upbringing and
foundation that brings me here,jack is that I look at this as
like an adventure and an honor.
Absolutely.
Yeah, it is, it is.
(37:10):
I mean both of those things.
Like to think that I mean we'reliving in our own like spy
novel.
I mean it's incredible, it'sreally incredible the
opportunity that we have rightnow, like how could you sit this
one out?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
It's so fantastic to hear someone else say that,
because I post quite often.
Actually, I say it to my wifeor somebody every day.
And my wife at first looked atme like she was ready to take me
to the nut house.
You know she really was.
But I said, babe, I am sograteful that I was born at a
time that I get to do what I'mdoing right now, playing my own
(37:53):
little role in this fight fordemocracy.
If you could lift me out ofthis moment, insert me to any
future or past timeline and say,okay, you wouldn't have to live
through all that, I would say,hell, no, don't you even think
about it, you leave me righthere yeah not everybody is this
(38:17):
lucky.
now, when I post that, I do geta lot of feedback from people
say oh well, I don't know, Iit's not.
Look, it's a mindset.
Yes, flip it over, because fromthe mindset you and I are
talking about you, you becomeinspired and empowered and you
want to do things and you arewilling to stand out.
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Yes, it changes everything.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It does, it really does.
And if we could, jack I meanwhat you just said is everything
If everybody did that, changethe mindset and really
everything is mental Folks, it'sall mental.
It really is if we change themindset.
And that's the thing with 14thnow and 314, understand the
power that we hold oh, jessica,jessica, jessica, it.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
It is awe-inspiring, it is mind-boggling.
We have the power.
We do Right this instant yes,we do To change it all.
To change it all and, like yousaid, there are no physical
blockades.
No, it is a mental blockadethat only requires flipping it
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over to the other side, whereyou become inspired, invigorated
and wake up excited each daybecause you are going to help
preserve democracy.
And if you've got 350, we'renot going to get that half.
But if you wake up with 100million people, 100 million
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people doing that each day andsaying what can I do today?
And pushing the envelope and gobumping up against your
previous day's limits and going,nah, I'm going past that today,
then then we don't have anissue.
(40:17):
Nope, just got to turn thelights on that's it, that's it,
and we need our leadership tomirror that.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, that's it and that's like.
That's literally like we, thepeople, have to be the ones
modeling the behavior.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
We do the leaders aren't doing it.
Yeah, it's going to be aninverse flow.
Yes, and what I mean by that iswe have to be such leaders as
citizens of this country that weshame our democratic leaders,
who look at us and go, oh my God, they are doing our job.
(40:54):
Yeah, how humiliating.
And they either up their gameand start becoming leaders or
get the hell out and let someonein who will.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Absolutely so.
To anybody watching this again,remind them of the site of your
event.
Oh, nowmarchorg, that one,nowmarchorg, that one,
nowmarchorg that one and thatit's uh march 14th march 14th, 3
, 14 it's.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
There's a lot of symbolism there.
Jack, it's.
It's 3, 14, section 304.
It's also pi day.
It's the day before the ides ofmarch.
It's a national strike day.
It's a lot, a lot of thingsgoing on on 314.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Also, the budget deadline is on 314.
We're going to be there intheir faces as that's going down
.
Fantastic, fantastic.
What would be your partingmessage to those who have been
watching, listening, going?
Yeah, I mean.
Yeah, that would be cool to goto that.
What would you say?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh, it's going to be more than cool.
It's going to be hot.
Listen, you are going to changehistory.
On that day, if we accomplishour mission, 314 will change the
course of history, and whetherwe accomplish that mission or
not is all in your hands.
It's in your hands.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
And how right you are .
This is not.
This is not.
How do I want to say this?
You are putting this together,you are making this happen, but
this does not come down tojessica dinson oh no anything
(42:42):
that I'm doing.
It doesn't you know?
If there's a message that Ipost or an article that I write
that inspires people, it it'snot about Jack Hopkins, it's
about how many people read it,are inspired and then take
action.
You are giving people theopportunity to be part of the
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collective that does somethingthat changes history, and I
can't help but think that one ofthe reasons you're doing this
is because you realize, just aswe said a moment ago, that it's
the people, we, the people whohave to be the leadership that
we've watched for a month now,over a month.
(43:24):
Our elected leaders to thispoint, almost all of them have
failed us in that regard.
Almost all of them have failedus in that regard.
They've given glimpses of whatmight fall under the heading of
leadership, but it stops there.
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The follow-through comes fromthe people, the very people who
will show up at 314 and be partof the collective flood that
sends a message we're not doingthis.
Yeah, we are not going to dothis, and we will continue
showing up in mass until youfigure that out, until you
(44:14):
figure that out.
And, man, if you're watchingthis, if you're listening to
this, if you've never doneanything like this, do something
just beyond the threshold.
Make your travel arrangementsright now, whether you fly,
(44:36):
whether you drive, whether youtake a bus, whether you take
Amtrak, get there.
Get there so that on the 15th,the 16th, the 17th, you can look
back and say you know what,when I post something now it has
meaning.
Now it has meaning because I'vedone something.
(44:59):
I was there, I was part of thepeople who showed up, and so now
I can bitch about an electedleader who's not doing their
part, because I have taken astep.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I've done my part.
Yes, yeah absolutely, and I canjust tell you, like I've been, I
was there with 5051 at theCapitol on President's Day.
They had a Not my President'sDay protest across the country.
There is nothing that comparesto being in that energy and in
that environment and taking yourstand.
(45:30):
And, by the way, there are alot of American flags.
Bring your American flag to 314.
Fantastic idea.
We are the true patriots.
We are reclaiming andestablishing and making crystal
clear what America stands for.
So bring those symbols ofpatriotism, real patriotism, to
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DC.
Dc on 314.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Great point, and what we watched last night on
television was not what Americastands for.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I don't watch it.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, you know what?
It's one of those things.
Only because I know I'm goingto comment on it in the coming
days and I did something thatI've done before on State of the
Union addresses and things likethat, but I'll just real-time
(46:26):
tweet or post and I did probablyclose to 100 last night
throughout that two hours and Iwas brutal, brutal.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
But you know what, until we accomplish our mission,
I'm going to continue to bebrutal.
We can't be wallflowers, youknow what?
No, and I got a message theother day and I get these
messages, but I'm just pointingout this one and it was a young
(46:57):
man who said and I he didn'tdidn't know which particular
post of mine he read, but sincethey've all been pretty over the
top lately um, it was one ofthose.
And he said I just wanted tothank you.
He said you, you've inspired meto start using my voice.
Yeah, that's what we should allbe trying to do.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
When we post not just having somebody read our
threshold level enough that wethen post something that
inspires somebody, it's going totake all of us, yeah, all of us
.
So, jessica, first I want totell you this, first I want to
tell you this For the work thatyou did on the past event and
(48:06):
the work you're doing now onthis one, thank you Sincerely.
Thank you Because this isn'tsomething you have to be doing.
That's what I want to point out, and there's real power in that
.
You know, if somebody's doingsomething that's part of their
job or their boss told them todo not, that it doesn't count.
(48:27):
It does if it's meaningful.
But oh my God, there is nothinglike that self-inspired,
self-driven.
I'm doing this because Ibelieve.
I believe in this, and that's,jessica Denson, and that's
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something I really admire andrespect about you.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You're the real deal.
Thank you so much.
I mean listen when I when Ithis was born of the coverage I
was doing on Lights On beforeJanuary, and it brought out this
incredible group of grassrootsorganizers, none of us having
ever done anything like thisbefore, and I could not do it
without them.
You know, if they're watching,I hope they are.
Do it without them.
You know, if they're watching,I hope they are.
(49:12):
Please understand that they are.
I'm not doing this alone.
There is an incredible groupbehind me, small but mighty
group, who is just like you andme, jack.
We're just citizens who arewatching what's happening in
front of us and saying we can'tstand down here.
We have to do something.
(49:32):
And we don't know how to do it.
We'll figure it out.
Never got a permit for theNational Mall before.
We'll find out how to get thatpermit.
Never put on a massiveproduction.
We'll figure out how to do it.
And that's.
You know, like I was on apodcast last week where we were
having all kinds of technicaldifficulties and I said what we
did to make this work.
(49:53):
Let this be a metaphor for likewhat we have to do as a country
and citizens right now.
Like it's going to be messy,it's not.
We're going to have to learnfrom scratch.
We're going to have toimprovise.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Let's just get in and get dirty and get it done Right
, so um and you've demonstratedover and over you're willing to
get in and get dirty, and youalso know that we're not in the
typical framework.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
And it is frightening .
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
But, like you said, and this is what I would impart
to other people, you said but,like you said, and this is what
I would impart to other peopleyou said I stay so busy, I stay
so focused that I really don'treally feel fear to the level
that I probably should becauseI'm so busy.
And that is what I would say toanybody else Take Jessica's cue
stay so focused, so busy thatyou can't.
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Stay so focused, so busy thatyou can't.
Look, I know I've kept you likeprobably like three hours
longer than what you probablyhad to a lot to me and I thank
you.
Uh, I took like the third timeyou glanced at the clock I was
like, okay, she's got.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
I love being here with you, jack.
You're such your, your, your,your company is so pleasant.
I genuinely mean that yourguests must all feel that way
with you, because you makesomebody feel so at home, and
it's just a wonderfulenvironment that you have here.
On the Jack Hopkins podcast.
(51:27):
So I'm only watching, because Ihave an interview that starts
in 20 minutes.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Listen, you come back anytime, and I mean when you,
when, when, anytime you reachout to me, we will.
We'll bring everything to ahold and we will make it work
for what you have going on.
That I promise you.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Thank you, my friend.
That means a lot and we'regoing to have to have you on
lights on sometime.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I'd love it.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Cross pollination.
Okay, you bet.
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Listen.
Good luck on your next gig in20 minutes and thank you, thank
you, thank you, my friend, mypleasure.
All right, jessica, welcome.
This is your second time on theJack Hopkins Show podcast and
what a thrill it is to have youback.
You've always got such energyabout what you are doing and I
can tell you are bursting at theseams with energy today to tell
me what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Jack, thank you so much for having me back.
Such a pleasure to be on withyou.
We are doing 14th, now 2.0.
Last time I was here, we talkedabout how we were peacefully
protesting and organizing inWashington DC to pressure
Congress to reject Trump'selectors based on Section 3 of
the 14th Amendment, which theywere obligated to do and should
have on January 6th.
(00:40):
It was an amazing movement andwe realized that was really just
our warm up act.
We are living through thehorrors.
My God, what are we a monthinto this administration?
I'm about to talk to TimothyRyback on my show, who wrote a
book about Hitler and how hedismantled democracy in 53 days.
I mean, this is, we have notime to Zero.
(01:01):
So we are organizing the firstmajor demonstration in the
nation's capital on 3-14.
We're taking our numbers.
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Extending this movement to all.
It is a call to veterans, it isa call to people who are
aligned with Ukraine in the freeworld, to people afraid of
losing their Social Securitywith Ukraine in the free world,
to people afraid of losing theirsocial security, to friends and
allies of the immigrantcommunity, to anyone and
everyone who does not want tolet democracy die on our watch
and stand up for freedom in thisvital hour where we have no
(01:37):
time to waste.
So we're doing this again on3-14.
I will tell you, jack, thistime it is going to be massive.
We have an incredible momentumbehind us and you can find out
everything about it atnowmarchorg, which is the same
website.
The 14th Now, grassrootsOrganization has kept alive and
we're doing this againnowmarchorg nowmarchorg yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And take as many times as you want throughout
this episode and remind peoplewhere to go nowmarchorg.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Okay, and take as many times as you want
throughout this episode andremind people where to go.
Yes, nowmarchorg, and the eventis called Now DC, now DC.
We're in affiliation with 5051and they've done such amazing
work across the country in these50 state, 50 event protests,
but we realize we really need topick one day to concentrate all
(02:27):
of the effort in their facesJack, in their effing faces,
okay to let them know that we,the people, have the power.
We're claiming that power andwe're not going to stand another
second for this authoritariancoup that they're trying to pull
off.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And that's exactly what it is.
It is.
Take just a moment, if you willand I mean I know and you know,
but just for anybody listeningthat might not be clear talk to
me about what has changed interms of our reality since just
the last time that we spoke.
I don't know exactly how longthat was ago, but it wasn't that
(03:07):
long ago.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
It's really unthinkable, I think.
To be honest with you, Jack,the only thing that makes me
feel not as scared and outragedas the average citizen is the
fact that I'm so activelyworking against it.
I don't even have time to absorbit, but when you do step back
for a second, it's unthinkable.
(03:31):
Unthinkable the fact that ElonMusk and this group of
20-year-old hackers has seizedour Treasury Department and
multitude of other agencies.
Thousands of federal workershave been fired.
Migrants who came into thisprocess legally seeking asylum
are sitting in Guantanamo Bay.
(03:54):
We are aligned with Russia andNorth Korea against the free
world.
I mean, this is just, you know,the tip of the iceberg.
We've got about 60 days left onan executive order that Trump
put out on day one, sayingmilitary.
Tell me how I can invoke theInsurrection Act.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean it's it's unthinkable.
It's unthinkable.
And to think that we can justpiecemeal address this.
And I'm all for listen.
I'm all for the legal advocacy.
You know I'm all for listen.
I'm all for the legal advocacy.
You know I'm a legal advocate.
So I'm all for using the courtsand every mechanism and God
bless every organization, entity, ag, whoever that's doing that.
(04:36):
But we have to take broadstrokes.
We have to be talking aboutimpeaching and removing this man
immediately.
We have to be talking about thecontinued disqualification that
he has.
He's an illegitimate president.
I had this conversation with aconstitutional scholar last
night on Lights On Like.
We have the people in powerthat purport to be on our side.
(04:58):
As much as we love them theJasmine Crockett's, the Bernie
Sanders they need to be not justgiven great speeches and great
TikTok videos, okay, they needto be using the legislative
tools that they have cometogether as a caucus and start
normalizing the conversationabout getting Donald Trump, elon
Musk and JD Vance the hell outof power because they do not
(05:20):
have authority to be there.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Absolutely.
And you know, last night andI'll preface this by saying I'm
not suggesting that this wouldhave been any more effective in
terms of changing somethingother than the impact that it
would have on the peoplewatching.
And first of all, I applaud AlGreen last night Al Green, all
(05:43):
the way right.
Yes, and the only thing I cansee and I'm just basing this on
my personality had it have beenme, it would have probably taken
more hands-on action by thesergeant at arms to remove me.
I might not have gone aswillingly, and what just wrapped
(06:07):
my head sideways was to watchthat Al Green was the only
Democrat that had to be removed.
I would have liked to have seenthat entire speech interrupted
by every single Democrat havingto be removed.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Thank you, yes, 100 percent, jack.
I mean that's what I saidleading up to it that entire
caucus needed to have a unifiedwalkout.
That's what needed to happenlast night.
They could have.
What an opportunity, and wecan't afford any more missed
opportunities for.
God's sakes, what an opportunitythey would have had to
completely steal the show, walkout of that collectively as a
(06:53):
caucus, stage their own pressconference outside, declare the
illegitimacy of thisunconstitutional president.
I mean a lot of them it's.
You know, after January 6th.
Those of us in the 14th Nowmovement have a particular kind
of disdain for anyone who triesto invoke the Constitution now
without acknowledging how theyabandoned it on January 6th.
(07:14):
But we do have a Constitution.
We have violated the thresholdissue.
Getting this man into that WhiteHouse where he's basically a
squatter, has no legal authorityto be there.
And they could have I mean,that's what I would have liked
them to do in a press conferencebut God, they could have done
anything Make a freakingstatement.
I mean you have to use I havethese conversations on Lights On
(07:39):
all the time, and I'm sure youdo too, jack about how the
Republicans don't give a shitwhat anybody thinks about them.
They don't give a shit whatanybody thinks about them.
They don't give a shit aboutoptics.
They're taking our Constitution, burning it down.
They are doing all kinds ofthings that are not even
remotely tethered to law, thatare literally federal crimes.
It's just that we don't have aDepartment of Justice to enforce
(08:01):
federal crimes at the moment,and we can't even use the law
and the Constitution creativelyand radically and, you know,
with an inspired, visionarymotive behind us.
I mean, for God's sakes, startdoing it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yes, you know, I don't know whether you've
noticed or not but in the lastthree weeks to a month, to say
that I've elevated the intensityof my posts on Blue Sky and
Twitter would be anunderstatement, and I think many
people may be missing thereason I'm doing that reason I'm
(08:48):
doing that, the reason I havedone that and taken it so over
the top and so intense, isbecause we always compare where
our behavior is to someoneelse's, and I'm trying to get
people to raise their thresholdas compared to mine, Because if
you get used to following me andseeing every day that I post,
that just curls your hair andthrows your eyelashes back
(09:12):
without realizing it, you mightfind yourself being more intense
in your posting and it willstill be considerably below mine
, mine but it will be abovewhere your former threshold is
and from my take, that's.
You know, you, you talk aboutthe republicans not giving a
(09:33):
shit.
That is their strength.
Yes, I can't emphasize thisenough.
That is their power.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I to you know to to to watch they do it.
Jack, with corruption, withlies, with, with, with crimes.
Can't we do it with truth, withlaw?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Can't we?
I mean, for God's sakes, it issuch, you know, this almost
comes if you bring this reallydown to a human level and you
think about like I've had, justas a woman, uh, as I've grown
and my own sense of self-worthrealized, like if you know
somebody who doesn't respectthemselves, who has a gift or a
(10:12):
talent but they don't use it.
It's such a shame.
Oh that's a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You don't want to.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You don't want to align with that person, right,
you know, and that's I mean.
Like, in my growth as anindividual, I've really realized
how much I have to honor anduse my own gifts If you don't
use them you are you know, andthese people supposedly have
these gifts and they sure ashell have a toolkit to use, and
(10:40):
what a dishonor, what a disgracethat they're not using these
gifts that they have.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's like playing on a baseball team with somebody
who you know has the ability tohit a home run every time at bat
, but they are content to stepup and hit a single every time
at bat because they don't wantto show off or whatever other
reason they come up with At somepoint.
Potential power is wasted power.
(11:08):
Yes, right, yes, we are on thatpoint.
Let me come back to this,because you talk about
illegitimate president.
Per the answer, I think it'sfar simpler than we want to
admit.
But why do you think we do nothear top Democrats talking about
(11:31):
an illegitimate president?
They know the same thing thatyou and I know they do.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It is.
It's unexcusable.
Jack, first of all listen.
Granted, I know that if theystart acknowledging it now, they
would have to address theirabdication of duty on January
6th.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So there's a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But listen, I'm in the forgiveness business as soon
as you come to the right side,I'm here for you.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You bet, you bet.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So listen, I don't know, but they need to be
confronted.
They genuinely need to beconfronted.
The media could be picking upthis mantle, like you said, and
I love what you said aboutnormalizing the tone of your
posts, because you understandthat you and I with a platform,
but frankly, each and every oneof us is a narrative setter,
(12:19):
like we are all creating theconversation Right and that's
why on my show on Lights On, I'mgoing to put my hat on so my
hair stays out of my face.
Everybody's always sayingJessica, get a hair clip.
It's not that easy.
Normalize these conversationsand get people to understand
(12:47):
from a constitutionalperspective why Donald Trump is
not qualified.
By the way, at nowmergeorg wehave a legal authority page.
It quotes and cites thepreeminent constitutional
scholars in our country.
I had one of them on again lastnight on my show reiterating
this point, because the Section3 conversation is not dead.
(13:07):
Any single one of them to thisday could be simply starting a
conversation, like you said.
I don't know why they're doingit, but we're going to pressure
the hell out of them to do itand saying this man is
constitutionally disqualified.
The only way that gets removedis by a two thirds vote of both
(13:28):
houses of Congress.
That's it.
So failure on any level if theyjust start the conversation is
a success.
The whole national discourseabout this presidency and the
tools that we have to extracthim from this power seat that he
illegally inhabits would changeif they simply acknowledged it.
(13:50):
Damn well, time to acknowledgeit.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Who do you see as and there aren't many who do you
see as the leaders in theDemocratic Party right now
spearheading things for us?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Al Green.
I mean, al Green is the closestthat we've got.
I'm going to be really honest.
And people are always sayingyou know Jasmine Crockett, aoc,
and listen, I love them.
I used to have Jasmine on myshow regularly.
Ok, I used to have her on myshow regularly, regularly, okay,
I used to have her on my showregularly.
The problem I have with aJasmine Crockett an AOC, a Chris
(14:29):
Murphy, a Bernie Sanders, anyof them is that yes, they're
calling out the insanity, yes,they're saying it's wrong, it's
unconstitutional, they've nowdiscovered, but they're not
using the levers they have like,especially those people with
the massive following that theyhave.
Imagine if one of them joinedAl Green with his articles of
(14:50):
impeachment.
Right, he's the only one that'sdone.
It is Al Green.
That entire caucus, this DonaldTrump pardoned individuals
convicted of seditiousconspiracy on day one.
That is an act of treason.
This man is in one act of themultitude of illegal acts he
committed on day one of hispresidency, he committed treason
(15:11):
.
There should be no otherconversation other than how do
we get this man out of officenow?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
There should not.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And it doesn't matter , like I've had John Bonifaz on
my show, he's the president ofFree Speech for People.
They've started a campaign toimpeach Donald Trump.
By the way,impeachtrumpagainorg is their
website.
Go sign the petition.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But you know, john came on my show.
He's like it doesn't matterthat they don't have the numbers
.
That's not the point.
They need to hijack theconversation, hijack the
narrative, like the Republicansdo All they should be talking
about every day.
And I'm so tired of like I I'mfrankly tired jack of people who
(15:52):
say, oh, we're gonna, likethat's not the way you get
through to maga, or like wedon't, we don't want to offend
them.
We have to be inclusive.
We have to talk about, like theprice of eggs.
I'm like it just drives meinsane, right, like you just
have to freaking, take the reinsand talk about what is going on
.
And yes, people want a hero,people want a leader.
They will come to you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
And what they are really saying.
What that conversation reallyalways comes back and anchors to
is we only want to do thingsfrom within this box because
it's the box that is acceptableto us.
Anything outside of it is toorisky and that is a losing
strategy.
(16:32):
Yes, 100%, it is a losingstrategy.
Yes, you know to your point.
I have people from time to time,especially in this last month,
who will message me and say Jack, with some of my posts, Jack,
you're hurting your brand.
Well, first of all, look, mybrand is an accident.
I did never set out to be.
(16:52):
You're like me, Right, I'm justwho I am and a brand developed.
But I don't get on thinkingabout a brand.
We look.
The idea that somebody wouldthink that anyone is working
towards their brand, if they'rereally dedicated to preserving
democracy, is nuts to me.
It's nuts to me.
(17:13):
We are in.
It's now or never.
As you indicated within thefirst 60 seconds.
It's now or never.
As you indicated within thefirst 60 seconds.
It's now or never.
There's no time for wait.
There's no time for let's seewhat it's now.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It is, it is 100% and what you're saying?
Like your brand, I'm the sameway.
I fell into this by accidentbecause, um, you know, I I have
no ambitions, even right now, ofbeing a podcaster.
Like, that is not my thing, I'mjust I have a voice.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's just an extension.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Exactly.
I mean, I just simply have avoice and a and a perspective
and an understanding that I haveto share with you, so I have a
podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And to, to.
To that point, look, and I'msure you know I I've never used
this platform to, to you know,call people out on air.
I won't do that now.
But one thing that is veryirritating to me I do know, and
so do you, um, so do you, socialmedia influencers who are
(18:22):
primarily concerned about theirbrand and who do only post
certain things and a certain waybecause their brand is the
primary concern and not thefight.
And look, I don't give a shitif my entire Can we name names?
Yeah, we could.
I think they'd both be the sameright.
(18:43):
Once we get over the hump, Idon't care if everything I have
here dissolves and goes away.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's not about that.
No, it's about I want mydaughters, my son, to be able to
live in the kind of countrythat you grew up in and that I
grew up in.
That's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, 100 percent.
Listen, I'll name names and Idon't know if you were talking
about Midas Touch, but weprobably talked last time I was
here about the fact that I hadto leave their network to talk
about election anomalies andthen the Section three
conversation.
They just ran a completecounterative, trying to tell
Democrats that they didn't haveto do anything.
I guess you know Trump is goodfor business.
(19:25):
Like you said, it'sself-preservation.
But I put out a call on mynetwork, on my show on Lights On
last week.
I said you know what?
Midas Touch is out there sayingthey're fearless and
independent now and they went onMSNBC saying they're now the
pro-constitution, pro-democracychannel.
I'm like wow you discovered theConstitution Great Right, by the
(19:45):
way, since you're fearless andindependent and you're now the
pro-constitution platform.
Here's what you need to do youneed to promote the hell out of
314.
You need to send all of theMidas Mighty to nowmarchorg to
get the peaceful masses,millions of people in Washington
DC on 314 to take a stand forour democracy and say no, this
(20:13):
is not okay anymore.
So any of your viewers today,I'll invite them to flood Midas
Touch with comments on Blue Sky,twitter, instagram, youtube,
wherever your chosen platform is.
Flood them with comments about314, nowmarchorg and ask the
Midas brothers, the Mycelisbrothers, especially Ben and
Popak on Legal AF.
Ask them why they're notpromoting nowmarchorg and
(20:35):
hopefully we get them on board.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
And viewers and listeners of the Jack Hopkins
Show podcast.
You now have your homeworkassignment.
There you go, so tell me alittle bit about the response
that you had and the internalfeedback from your last event
(20:58):
and how much of that played arole in the one that's coming up
.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know what?
It was incredible and and itwas not.
It was not a massive showing ofbodies in DC on that day.
Granted, it was about sub.
It was sub zero, I mean it was.
I have never been so freezingand been both in pain and yet
not able to feel my feet at thesame time Right, right, Numbness
(21:22):
and pain kind of a weirdcombination, right.
Yeah, we were troopers out there, but I will tell you we raised
a lot of money.
We had an incredible amount ofsupport from all over the world
and I will tell you and Congressknew we were there after we
gave our speeches.
We had seven speakers overthree days.
I mean it was the understandingfrom those of us, from those
(21:47):
that were aware of us, withoutmassive publicity.
You were wonderful inplatforming us a few others, but
there was not massive publicityother than my own show.
So, with the limited reach thatwe had, the amount of support
was extraordinary and we were inthose halls of Congress.
I met Adam Schiff the day thatthey were sworn in on this
Congress.
We were in the offices of somany lawmakers.
(22:11):
They knew we were there.
We put them on notice and Iwill tell you was we were kind
of branding this event now DC,um and I was talking to some of
the people at 50 51 and kind ofjust talk, talking about what we
were going to call this eventand, um, he's like you know what
you have with 14th now is isreally special and it's
(22:33):
established and peopleunderstand what it is and I
think, um, you know, you know wesay on the website.
We stood in the breach.
We really laid down a markerfor history and it was extremely
important.
And, like I said, jack, Ireally feel like that first
movement was just.
I wish it didn't have to be, Iwish it was the end, I wish they
listened to us, but it was thewarm-up act for what we're doing
(22:57):
now and I thank God for all ofboth the scholars that have been
brave enough and clear enoughto state what the constitutional
requirement is for what we'redealing with, and the people
around the country who have hadthe intellectual curiosity to be
(23:20):
engaged in this enough.
So it's a beautiful movementand, like you'll see on
nowmarchorg yes, 14th Now is theorganization.
We're doing the legwork.
But listen, this movement isfor anyone and everyone.
You want to take your place inhistory.
You don't want to wait anymore.
You know we can't wait anymore.
(23:40):
This movement is for you.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Fantastic.
You know one thing.
I asked your name, you said AlGreen.
Al Green, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Look, I have been for several weeks now.
I have been aggressivelycalling out leaders within our
own party, in the DemocraticParty, and I've caught a lot of
hell for that, and my responseto that is will you better keep
bringing a lot of hell then,because I'm not going to stop.
Whether you are the CEO of acompany, a Boy Scout leader, a
(24:18):
third grade elementary schoolteacher, yeah.
It doesn't matter whether it isthe doctor's son or the
janitor's son.
When somebody's not living upto what you expect out of them,
you call them out, you put themon the spot.
Call them out, you put them onthe spot.
(24:39):
And your refusal to do so tellsme it doesn't bother you as
much as you might say in yourpost.
That's kind of encrypticallycoded because you don't want
anybody to think you're actuallycalling out the elected leader.
You know what I mean?
We are not in mamby pamby timehere.
We are in direct black andwhite, clear, no ambiguity.
(25:02):
Yes, and so I follow up withthem.
How do you think with publicleverage, what tools do we have
to get them?
Let's speak about JasmineCrockett, for example.
I think what Jasmine Crocketthas become very good at is
(25:24):
creating viral moments Right,viral moments, and they're
feel-good videos to watch and tolike and to pass on and you get
a little charge.
But if that's all there is, youdo that, I do that, right, lots
of people do that Right.
(25:45):
Use the power and the tools thatyou have, don't just talk about
them Exactly, and in some cases, they won't even talk about
them because they're afraid thatif they do, then they might be
expected to use them.
Yeah, it's insane to me.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, it is.
I mean, you're asking me how dowe get them to do it?
I mean one thing I've seen somany comments from my viewers
that say I'm not giving theseDemocrats another dime.
They're out there begging formoney.
I'm not giving them anotherdime until they start doing
something as you said doingsomething?
And do we want to defund ourparty?
No, but we damn well have touse the leverage.
(26:25):
We have to get them to do whatthey need to do.
It's all we have.
We have to use it.
By the way, I think they'reincredibly naive to think that
we're going to have anysemblance of a normal election
in two years or four years, withElon Musk and Donald Trump
right rolling elections, youknow, taking over the FEC,
(26:46):
destroying mail in, votingthrough the post office, god,
all God knows what else you knowthey have cooked up to to stop
people from being able to vote.
You know Donald Trump made acomment a few weeks ago about
how the midterms are going to befixed.
And the blue?
You know the blue is just goingto disappear off the map.
I mean, are we, do we really,are we hearing any of this?
(27:07):
We really think we're justgoing to another election cycle
and things are going on.
They're not.
They're not.
So, I mean with Jasmine inparticular, and listen.
I love what she's done, I loveher voice, I love her fight.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Oh, I do too.
I love all of that.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But especially with people like her.
We have to be tough on them.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
We cannot right now, like we were talking about a few
minutes ago, the talent'swasted.
We can't cheer them on whenthey're not using those talents,
the real talents.
We have to withhold that praiseuntil they really put up.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You know what?
I'm going to catch hell forthis.
But I catch hell all the timeanyway, so it doesn't matter.
I tell people all the timehuman behavior, it's just like
training a puppy.
It is exactly like training apuppy.
Puppy, it is exactly liketraining a puppy.
Yeah, if you reinforce behavioryou do not want, you are going
(28:05):
to get more of the behavior youdo not want.
It's very simple, and yet I seepeople all the time rewarding
the very incompetence they saythey're angry about.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Thank, Thank you yeah .
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's a very great point and you boiled it down to
a very simple metaphor, and it'svery true.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It'll turn into a jack calling women dogs.
You know something like that.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I didn't hear that.
I didn't hear it you know.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
look.
Here's the thing is.
I think I found out, as youhave to Look, if you're going to
be online, if you are going tobe on social media, if you're
going to do podcasts, look,there's going to be a segment of
the population that's going totake anything you say, turn it
around and demonize it.
So I just say what I want tosay anyway, because you can't
(28:58):
prevent it, so might as wellcommunicate the message.
Yes, what's been the strangest,most mind-boggling thing you've
encountered when you are outTalking to people within our own
(29:23):
party man, I'm talking higherup the food chain what
resistance, if any?
Maybe you haven't run into anyat all, but what resistance, if
any, have you run into?
That just kind of rocked youback on your heels and, to give
you an example, you just broughtone up.
Look, anytime I hear Democratstalking about the midterms as
though they're going to benormal midterms, I'm like what
(29:47):
world are you living?
on right now.
This is stupid.
It is stupid to say it's notgoing to be normal.
There may, in fact, not bemidterms.
If you want to get right downto it, yeah.
So what do you encounter?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
With the higher ups.
Oh man, where do we start here?
I mean listen, let's.
Let me give you a few things.
So I've had some privateconversations just on the
election anomaly front that I'vedelved into deeply, on Lights,
on fearlessly handled thegaslighting.
I've had some conversations Iwon't name names with other
people with massive platformsbigger than yours or mine, jack,
(30:27):
and they have privately told methat their conversations with
other high-ups in the DemocraticParty were conversations where
people acknowledged that theythought something was wrong with
the election.
What a tragedy, what a tragedythat these people acknowledged
that privately but could notgive a peep about it publicly.
(30:50):
And I just heard I mean we'vehad little peeps, you know,
after the night before Trump wasillegally inaugurated, of
course, that insane rally wherehe thanked Elon Musk for his
good work with the vote countingmachines, and right after that
you had Jasmine Crockett and DanGoldman make comments.
I mean this was like where haveyou people been?
(31:11):
They acknowledged it and it'slike, oh my God, where have you
been?
We've been screaming from therooftops and I heard just today,
apparently Maxine Watersacknowledged it, which is great.
It's great when they do.
I'm glad that they do, but thefact that they missed that boat
and we are likely living with aman who was not elected, who is
(31:34):
tearing apart our democracy andengaged in authoritarian coup
like we are already hungry andon our way to Russia Like we're
already there.
It's unthinkable.
But one other thing I was goingto say about private
conversations, like when we werein the halls of Congress in
those few days in early January,with 14th now, trying to get
(31:55):
them to reject Trump's electors.
There was a lot of receptivity,both from actual members of
Congress not Adam Schiff, by theway, I mean he was very stoic
when I talked to him but fromother members of Congress and
their staff.
There seemed to be a realunderstanding and
acknowledgement and, you know,empathy with the cause.
(32:16):
And these people remember Jack.
I mean in those halls ofCongress, most of those people
lived through what Donald Trumpdid four years before that
disqualified him, that deadlyinsurrection where his
supporters left feces on ourstatues honoring, you know, the
founders of this country.
I mean it was unthinkable forthem.
(32:38):
On a very personal level, Sure.
So to go from that experience tothen watching, on January 6th,
the deafening silence.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Not one peep from one of them.
Right, it was like watching azombie apocalypse.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I mean I it's hard to convey the way that I felt, and
I think most of us involved inthis movement felt- when you
mentioned there were members ofcongress who have acknowledged
and know deep down at thecellular level that something
was wrong with the election andyet have never come out on MSNBC
(33:22):
, CNN, anywhere on a bigplatform and said look, here's a
problem.
I've had things like that comeonto my radar while I've been
sitting in here before, and onthe other side of my studio is
my son's bedroom and I swear Ican't tell you the number of
times I've been so pissed offthat I knew in that moment and
(33:49):
that's what I felt like doing Iwas so pissed off I could
probably get on one side of theroom and run hard enough and
break through the sheetrock andwhatever else is in the way,
into your son's bedroom.
Into my son's bedroom, becausethat is and I guess I want to
(34:11):
see more of that and hopefullywe will that level of I'm pissed
from the American citizens,right?
Yes, look, you know this.
This is not going to be solvedpurely by traditional means.
(34:32):
It's not If the people want tostay home, if the people don't
want to come to events likeyours, not just so you have an
okay event, but so you have anevent that gets national, maybe
(34:53):
international, news coverage.
If people aren't willing to dothat, then they are
communicating pretty clearlythat they are willing to lose
their Social Security, that theyare willing to lose Medicare,
(35:16):
that they are willing to justlay down.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
And so many millions of people and you know them have
said throughout their life,when speaking of the Holocaust,
it would have never went downlike that here, or if I was
there, or whatever.
Show us, yeah, show us.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Because right now what we are watching is you are
online or in line to board thecattle car.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, to board the cattle car.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, now, that may sound like over the top, but if
it does, the person it soundsover the top to is not paying
attention.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's not over the top .
You know that saying.
And then they came for me,right.
And then they came for me andone of the books that I has
become a motto for my show whichis, I'm sure, book that you
know well is Timothy Snyder's ontyranny um, or one of the
chapters, and it's the chaptertitled stand out, stand out, um,
(36:25):
and it's something that maybefeels uncomfortable at first.
Uh, you have to get past thatoriginal initial feeling of
discomfort and, by the way, it'sthe best thing in the world,
like honestly if you're justliving a comfortable life and
you're not looking and ignoranceis bliss to you like that is
freaking, boring life, sorryit's, it's, it's useless right
(36:50):
it is, it is, it is, and I justwant to take that to like a lot
of this feels doom and gloom.
But one thing that I and this ismy spiritual upbringing and
foundation that brings me here,jack is that I look at this as
like an adventure and an honor.
Absolutely.
Yeah, it is, it is.
(37:10):
I mean both of those things.
Like to think that I mean we'reliving in our own like spy
novel.
I mean it's incredible, it'sreally incredible the
opportunity that we have rightnow, like how could you sit this
one out?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
It's so fantastic to hear someone else say that,
because I post quite often.
Actually, I say it to my wifeor somebody every day.
And my wife at first looked atme like she was ready to take me
to the nut house.
You know she really was.
But I said, babe, I am sograteful that I was born at a
time that I get to do what I'mdoing right now, playing my own
(37:53):
little role in this fight fordemocracy.
If you could lift me out ofthis moment, insert me to any
future or past timeline and say,okay, you wouldn't have to live
through all that, I would say,hell, no, don't you even think
about it, you leave me righthere yeah not everybody is this
(38:17):
lucky.
now, when I post that, I do geta lot of feedback from people
say oh well, I don't know, Iit's not.
Look, it's a mindset.
Yes, flip it over, because fromthe mindset you and I are
talking about you, you becomeinspired and empowered and you
want to do things and you arewilling to stand out.
(38:37):
Yes, it changes everything.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It does, it really does.
And if we could, jack I meanwhat you just said is everything
If everybody did that, changethe mindset and really
everything is mental Folks, it'sall mental.
It really is if we change themindset.
And that's the thing with 14thnow and 314, understand the
power that we hold oh, jessica,jessica, jessica, it.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
It is awe-inspiring, it is mind-boggling.
We have the power.
We do Right this instant yes,we do To change it all.
To change it all and, like yousaid, there are no physical
blockades.
No, it is a mental blockadethat only requires flipping it
(39:34):
over to the other side, whereyou become inspired, invigorated
and wake up excited each daybecause you are going to help
preserve democracy.
And if you've got 350, we'renot going to get that half.
But if you wake up with 100million people, 100 million
(39:56):
people doing that each day andsaying what can I do today?
And pushing the envelope and gobumping up against your
previous day's limits and going,nah, I'm going past that today,
then then we don't have anissue.
(40:17):
Nope, just got to turn thelights on that's it, that's it,
and we need our leadership tomirror that.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, that's it and that's like.
That's literally like we, thepeople, have to be the ones
modeling the behavior.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
We do the leaders aren't doing it.
Yeah, it's going to be aninverse flow.
Yes, and what I mean by that iswe have to be such leaders as
citizens of this country that weshame our democratic leaders,
who look at us and go, oh my God, they are doing our job.
(40:54):
Yeah, how humiliating.
And they either up their gameand start becoming leaders or
get the hell out and let someonein who will.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Absolutely so.
To anybody watching this again,remind them of the site of your
event.
Oh, nowmarchorg, that one,nowmarchorg, that one,
nowmarchorg that one and thatit's uh march 14th march 14th, 3
, 14 it's.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
There's a lot of symbolism there.
Jack, it's.
It's 3, 14, section 304.
It's also pi day.
It's the day before the ides ofmarch.
It's a national strike day.
It's a lot, a lot of thingsgoing on on 314.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Also, the budget deadline is on 314.
We're going to be there intheir faces as that's going down
.
Fantastic, fantastic.
What would be your partingmessage to those who have been
watching, listening, going?
Yeah, I mean.
Yeah, that would be cool to goto that.
What would you say?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh, it's going to be more than cool.
It's going to be hot.
Listen, you are going to changehistory.
On that day, if we accomplishour mission, 314 will change the
course of history, and whetherwe accomplish that mission or
not is all in your hands.
It's in your hands.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
And how right you are .
This is not.
This is not.
How do I want to say this?
You are putting this together,you are making this happen, but
this does not come down tojessica dinson oh no anything
(42:42):
that I'm doing.
It doesn't you know?
If there's a message that Ipost or an article that I write
that inspires people, it it'snot about Jack Hopkins, it's
about how many people read it,are inspired and then take
action.
You are giving people theopportunity to be part of the
(43:03):
collective that does somethingthat changes history, and I
can't help but think that one ofthe reasons you're doing this
is because you realize, just aswe said a moment ago, that it's
the people, we, the people whohave to be the leadership that
we've watched for a month now,over a month.
(43:24):
Our elected leaders to thispoint, almost all of them have
failed us in that regard.
Almost all of them have failedus in that regard.
They've given glimpses of whatmight fall under the heading of
leadership, but it stops there.
(43:46):
The follow-through comes fromthe people, the very people who
will show up at 314 and be partof the collective flood that
sends a message we're not doingthis.
Yeah, we are not going to dothis, and we will continue
showing up in mass until youfigure that out, until you
(44:14):
figure that out.
And, man, if you're watchingthis, if you're listening to
this, if you've never doneanything like this, do something
just beyond the threshold.
Make your travel arrangementsright now, whether you fly,
(44:36):
whether you drive, whether youtake a bus, whether you take
Amtrak, get there.
Get there so that on the 15th,the 16th, the 17th, you can look
back and say you know what,when I post something now it has
meaning.
Now it has meaning because I'vedone something.
(44:59):
I was there, I was part of thepeople who showed up, and so now
I can bitch about an electedleader who's not doing their
part, because I have taken astep.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I've done my part.
Yes, yeah absolutely, and I canjust tell you, like I've been, I
was there with 5051 at theCapitol on President's Day.
They had a Not my President'sDay protest across the country.
There is nothing that comparesto being in that energy and in
that environment and taking yourstand.
(45:30):
And, by the way, there are alot of American flags.
Bring your American flag to 314.
Fantastic idea.
We are the true patriots.
We are reclaiming andestablishing and making crystal
clear what America stands for.
So bring those symbols ofpatriotism, real patriotism, to
(45:53):
DC.
Dc on 314.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Great point, and what we watched last night on
television was not what Americastands for.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I don't watch it.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, you know what?
It's one of those things.
Only because I know I'm goingto comment on it in the coming
days and I did something thatI've done before on State of the
Union addresses and things likethat, but I'll just real-time
(46:26):
tweet or post and I did probablyclose to 100 last night
throughout that two hours and Iwas brutal, brutal.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
But you know what, until we accomplish our mission,
I'm going to continue to bebrutal.
We can't be wallflowers, youknow what?
No, and I got a message theother day and I get these
messages, but I'm just pointingout this one and it was a young
(46:57):
man who said and I he didn'tdidn't know which particular
post of mine he read, but sincethey've all been pretty over the
top lately um, it was one ofthose.
And he said I just wanted tothank you.
He said you, you've inspired meto start using my voice.
Yeah, that's what we should allbe trying to do.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
When we post not just having somebody read our
threshold level enough that wethen post something that
inspires somebody, it's going totake all of us, yeah, all of us
.
So, jessica, first I want totell you this, first I want to
tell you this For the work thatyou did on the past event and
(48:06):
the work you're doing now onthis one, thank you Sincerely.
Thank you Because this isn'tsomething you have to be doing.
That's what I want to point out, and there's real power in that
.
You know, if somebody's doingsomething that's part of their
job or their boss told them todo not, that it doesn't count.
(48:27):
It does if it's meaningful.
But oh my God, there is nothinglike that self-inspired,
self-driven.
I'm doing this because Ibelieve.
I believe in this, and that's,jessica Denson, and that's
(48:48):
something I really admire andrespect about you.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You're the real deal.
Thank you so much.
I mean listen when I when Ithis was born of the coverage I
was doing on Lights On beforeJanuary, and it brought out this
incredible group of grassrootsorganizers, none of us having
ever done anything like thisbefore, and I could not do it
without them.
You know, if they're watching,I hope they are.
Do it without them.
You know, if they're watching,I hope they are.
(49:12):
Please understand that they are.
I'm not doing this alone.
There is an incredible groupbehind me, small but mighty
group, who is just like you andme, jack.
We're just citizens who arewatching what's happening in
front of us and saying we can'tstand down here.
We have to do something.
(49:32):
And we don't know how to do it.
We'll figure it out.
Never got a permit for theNational Mall before.
We'll find out how to get thatpermit.
Never put on a massiveproduction.
We'll figure out how to do it.
And that's.
You know, like I was on apodcast last week where we were
having all kinds of technicaldifficulties and I said what we
did to make this work.
(49:53):
Let this be a metaphor for likewhat we have to do as a country
and citizens right now.
Like it's going to be messy,it's not.
We're going to have to learnfrom scratch.
We're going to have toimprovise.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Let's just get in and get dirty and get it done Right
, so um and you've demonstratedover and over you're willing to
get in and get dirty, and youalso know that we're not in the
typical framework.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
And it is frightening .
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
But, like you said, and this is what I would impart
to other people, you said but,like you said, and this is what
I would impart to other peopleyou said I stay so busy, I stay
so focused that I really don'treally feel fear to the level
that I probably should becauseI'm so busy.
And that is what I would say toanybody else Take Jessica's cue
stay so focused, so busy thatyou can't.
(50:52):
Stay so focused, so busy thatyou can't.
Look, I know I've kept you likeprobably like three hours
longer than what you probablyhad to a lot to me and I thank
you.
Uh, I took like the third timeyou glanced at the clock I was
like, okay, she's got.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
I love being here with you, jack.
You're such your, your, your,your company is so pleasant.
I genuinely mean that yourguests must all feel that way
with you, because you makesomebody feel so at home, and
it's just a wonderfulenvironment that you have here.
On the Jack Hopkins podcast.
(51:27):
So I'm only watching, because Ihave an interview that starts
in 20 minutes.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Listen, you come back anytime, and I mean when you,
when, when, anytime you reachout to me, we will.
We'll bring everything to ahold and we will make it work
for what you have going on.
That I promise you.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Thank you, my friend.
That means a lot and we'regoing to have to have you on
lights on sometime.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I'd love it.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Cross pollination.
Okay, you bet.
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Listen.
Good luck on your next gig in20 minutes and thank you, thank
you, thank you, my friend, mypleasure.
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