May 18, 2023 • 32 mins
Isaac Hayden is a singer, songwriter, husband and handyman. From his humble beginnings as a preacher's son on the San Juan Islands and in Jackson Hole, to his emergence as a rising star in the vibrant music scene of Nashville, Isaac's trajectory is one of passion, perseverance, and artistic growth.
In this episode, Isaac takes us on a journey through his life, starting with his childhood in Sacramento, California, before moving to the picturesque San Juan Islands. He shares how his father's job as an assistant preacher led their family to Jackson Hole, where they played a crucial role in starting the first Presbyterian church in town.
Growing up as a preacher's son in a tight-knit community had its perks. Isaac reminisces about the supportive church community and the joy of playing the piano in the church auditorium. Music played a significant role in Isaac's life, leading him to explore different places such as Spokane, Southern California, Tallahassee, and Nashville.
Nashville became a turning point for Isaac's music career. Through connections and talent, he immersed himself in the thriving songwriter community. Isaac describes the awe-inspiring experience of attending the famous Bluebird Cafe and the profound impact it had on his songwriting craft. He shares his musical highlights of performing in songwriter nights, making connections, and even opening for renowned artists like Keb' Mo'. Isaac also sheds light on the process of getting his songs performed by other artists.
The conversation wraps up with Isaac reflecting on what his next goals in life are and how Jackson Hole has lit a fire inside of him to succeed and build a future for his family.
Learn more about Isaac and buy his music at IsaacHaydenMusic.com
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At the jackson hole connection.comand welcome to episode number 242.
Today's guest is a singer, songwriter,handyman, a guy who knows how
to survive here in Jackson Hole.
Isaac Hayden.
Locals should recognize his name andmaybe some no non-locals do as well.
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Isaac has played the circuithere in Jackson Hole at the
bars here in the region.
Weddings, corporate events.
Well, Isaac has taken the leap.
In his past to create his ownalbum and has actually published
several single releases too.
And in my humble opinion,allowing yourself to be on stage.
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And be vulnerable to an audience.
Takes enormous amount ofconfidence and bravery.
I give it a to anybody who gets up onstage and performs, cuz trust me, you
don't want to hear me sing on stage.
And I tell you what, Isaac has done itand continues to do so, and he shares
with us today what you don't see fromthe stage, but more of what is behind
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the curtain of a person giving it all tomake life in Jackson Hole as a musician.
Hey Isaac.
Thanks for joining me here todayat the Jackson Hole Connection.
It's delightful to havesome of your time today.
Thanks for having me Stephan
You're very welcome.
And I like to begin, I have begunevery single episode of people
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sharing where they're born and raised.
So let you start off by sharing,
where'd you come into this world and,
get to run around and get dirty as a kid.
All right Yeah Um well I was born inSacramento California 1980 and my dad was
a preacher's like an assistant preacherat a church big megachurch down there
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he ended up getting a job up in the SanJuan Islands uh Friday Harbor to be more
specific And so we moved up there whenI was about a year and a half And I had
most of my formative childhood years thereon Friday Harbor all the way till I was
13 And then my parents decided uh theisland was a little too small for myself
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and my two younger twin brothers and theystarted looking for another church And
turns out Jackson Hole Wyoming didn't havea Presbyterian church at that time So we
came out visited and everybody liked itand my dad decided to pack us up and bring
us out here And so I went to my eighthgrade year and then high school here
in Jackson And yeah that's how I got inthe valley And now I'm back after living
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all around the country And now I'm back
welcome back Isaac.
Thanks
So your dad helped start thePresbyterian church here in town.
He did Yeah Yeah With a group ofuh local Presbyterian supporters
I guess they banded together andhired him on as the first preacher
what's it, what was it like growing up,
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around here in this area asa, the son of a preacher?
Well I don't have a lot to contrast itto but it was it was great I mean every
Sunday you know you have a community ofpeople that you see every week and that
are interested in you and Interested insupporting you and encouraging you to grow
And I think the coolest part for me waswhen I got a little older the the church
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had a piano and I had a couple buddiesand my dad would let me come down after
hours at night and play the piano andjust sing in the in the whole auditorium
And that was really fun for me I thinka big part of my musical development was
uh having access to that I'm a terriblepiano player but it was fun to just like
bang away and come up with stuff you know
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But you got to play.
That's all right.
Yeah totally
And,
I've heard a lot about the San JuanIslands, but I'm not that familiar.
Could you describe the San JuanIslands a little bit for folks?
sure well it's There's a whole bunch ofkiller whales up in that area The movies
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Free Willie were filmed up there andactually when I was a kid me and some
buddies auditioned for one of the freeWillie movies be like some hillbilly
background kids We didn't get the partBut uh that was big time for us And I
mean it's very small It's it kind ofreminds me of like Hobbit land in Lord
of the Rings and uh it's like that but afishing village as well it's small it's
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a lot of tourism a lot of boating andsailing I I spent a lot of time on the
docks catching shrimp off the side of thedocks and it's it's it's small and it's
a little bit rural feeling But uh similarto Jackson with so much tourism you get
a lot of diversity that rolls through Soit's a wonderful place It's super super
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beautiful uh worth a visit if you're inthe Seattle area You know it's like an
hour ferry ride an hour drive and an hourferry ride from Seattle it's really cool
Sounds like the place where you couldjust leave the house during the day
and show up at night for dinner, and
it was all
That was it Yep
Yeah I've got in a lot of troubleGood Kind of trouble you know
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but yeah little kid trouble
Yeah
I, grew up in a small town and we wouldshow up to our house and my mom would hose
us down before she'd let us in the house.
Sometimes we weren't in trouble.
She's just
you're too in the house.
It's a full day right there
was,
Nice work
just be able to hop on your bikeand just go for it and not worry
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about much of anything else.
Totally
Yeah.
Yeah
And so you said you've livedaround the country in other places.
Where else has your heart taken you?
Well um in college I I went to SpokaneWashington for a year and I played some
college basketball up there Um that wasgreat And then after that I dropped outta
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college and started pursuing music I ittook me down to Southern California Um I
lived in San Diego and Costa Mesa LA areafor a while and then I re-entered college
back in I went to Florida State Universityat Tallahassee My best friend was there
and he I was looking for a place to landand he invited me so I lived there for
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a minute And then back to Jackson Andthen uh I moved to Nashville for about
10 years and I lived there from aboutoh nine to well off and on from oh nine
to the late you know 2018 somewhere inthat area And uh and then I came back to
Jackson So that's been mostly where I'velived with maybe a few short stints in
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other spots But yeah I've been to Jacksonnow about six years since I came back
And I, I take it.
What took you to Nashville?
so it turns out it was music the islandI grew up on Friday Harbor the lady
who babysat me ended up marrying areally really great uh music engineer
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and when I recorded my first two albumshere in Jackson my dad sent 'em out to
some family friends one of which washer family and she passed it on to her
husband And he he ended up being like amulti Grammy winning uh mixing engineer
we started a correspondence and I wouldsend him everything I had wrote all the
time you know just I'd send him a batchof songs and he was kind enough to respond
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you know with critiques generally mostlycritiques saying like this isn't very good
Or keep trying you know keep riding it'sthis is getting better or whatever we did
that for maybe two years And then finallyhe said you know you should you should
come out here man You should move outhere And so I did I I dropped everything
and a chance and moved out there I livedin his studio for a couple months before
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I found a place to live And um I just Ilearned a lot from him It was really great
And that that's basically why I went toNashville or how I got there Anyway so it
turned into a whole bunch of other stuffbut that was my foot in the door anyway
Well
we certainly have some time for youto describe what that other stuff was.
Sure Well I'll say you know Iguess my first experience that I
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remember was I went to the BluebirdCafe have you heard of that
I think I have from when I was inNashville and I was on the strip.
Okay
Would I have, seen it on the strip?
not on the strip but it's as well knownas as the strip is uh it's it's more like
off in a side part of town but it's areally famous Songwriting cafe basically
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and what they do is they put four artistsin a round and they go around and one
artist will play a song Then the nextartist will play their song And it's it's
really famous for all all the songwritersin Nashville will go play there So the
people you've never you know you've heardthe big artist Tim McGraw sing a famous
song but then go to the Bluebird andyou hear the guy that wrote it sing it
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and I went there and I I sat through foursongs one from each artist And I remember
there's a guy named Eric Pasley He playeda song and after he played it I was just
like can I swear on here What's the what'sthe deal with swearing No swearing I I
on the podcast,
I
didn't asking about, you asked him about,
Oh no sorry
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Um
I wanted to emphasize my
Yeah.
You can throw a wordout every now and then.
okay sounds good Well I I was basicallyjust like holy shit this is the real
deal These guys are amazing I actuallyleft I sat through four songs and then I
left I I went home and immediately startedtrying to write Better songs because I I
realized that the level of artistry thereand songwriting craft was just it was it
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was new to me It was a whole differentlevel than I was used to And so that
took me to uh I just started playing indifferent little they're called songwriter
nights and And you know they have stufffor famous people and then they got stuff
for nobody's like me And uh I I playeda bunch of those all around and you sort
of I sort of organically began meetingpeople in the city and being invited to
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different songwriting nights And theneventually uh I sang a few songs in front
of a artist named Shelly Fairchild andshe was kind of a Nashville staple and
she invited me to open a couple shows forher And that was sort of how I branched
out even further And I don't know kindof just kept going like that You you
meet people they hear you songs If theylike you they might invite you to do
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something And I really enjoyed Nashvillea lot of people think of it as more of a
competitive community but I found it tobe more uh an embracing community it was
a cool experience I love Nashville still
And where did you know that introductionwhere, you were invited to open
for, that singer?
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Where did that take you?
Well not too far but you know just I Ithen I got some more opportunities like
I guess I gotta open a couple shows forKe Mo out of that Um ke Mo is a kind of
a famous blues artist Have you heard ofhim Yeah and I mean it it's a strange
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community there because you have all thesereally influential people tucked away and
you know you wouldn't know that they'rethere but There's 20 people in the room
and one of them's a famous songwriter anartist And So that was one thing And then
on the side of that I found a really coolartistic community that was based out
of a venue called the Building and did aMonday night open mic night essentially
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But there would be a featured artistevery Monday and the whole group of us
probably 30 or 40 artists would go thereevery Monday and we really developed a
strong uh chemistry and community and umthrough that became a lot of connections
And don't know just friendships Some ofthose people went on to be successful
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Other people quit and our realtors nowor whatever I don't know There was a
lot of different little many adventuresin my time in Nashville that were that
were served different purposes and yeah
And.
Do you see yourself assongwriter and singer?
I guess that's what I've been is Iwrite my own songs and I perform 'em as
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an artist but I've I've had some songsrecorded by other people as well which has
been really cool an honor yeah primarilyI I'd say I'm a songwriter artist would
be what I've been uh for most of my career
and how do other artistsfind your songs to perform?
there's so many songs that are out there.
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Totally.
I think most of it is, uh, word ofmouth through the community or, you
know, maybe they come to a show andthey see you perform, or you have a
friend who's their friend and they say,Hey man, you gotta hear this song, or
I think this would be perfect for you.
that's one way.
And then another way isthrough a publishing company.
if you have a publisher, , I, I hada publisher for a few years, and
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what a publisher does is they'llpitch your songs to artists.
they try and find a good match,kinda like a, you know, a, a cupid
of sorts of artists songwriter.
But yeah, for me it was always justplace, right time, and a friend
of a friend, that kind of thing.
For the most part.
Yeah.
What's it feel like when anotherartist picks up your song?
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it's really cool It's I think it couldbe uh like a dual I mean first it's a
it's an honor I think a songwriter towrite a song that someone else connects
to enough that they might wanna recordit for themself And then it's also maybe
a little unnerving because you you'renot sure uh how their version is gonna
suit your own personal expectations forthat song But I don't know I think that's
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a lesser lesser thing I I think mostlyit's just exciting that you want it's
cool to hear somebody else's version ofsomething that you created So I think
for me it's always been an excitingthing regardless of how it turns out
did you cut a or reach somegoals of of that nature
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yeah I did I I had a few goals I firstI had a a mutual friend here in Wyoming
that connected me to a guy out therewho had a a a recording or like a live
music venue in his in his loft apartmentreally strange but he would have would
do concerts in his apartment and um heended up Putting a stage in and all this
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stuff So we ended up doing a live livealbum in his apartment And uh I invited a
bunch of my friends and and they broughttheir friends and we recorded a whole
live album with a live audience And wassuper cool and that was kind of like
my my uh business card for the next fewyears to give to people And then through
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that I met another guy ended up beingmy publisher and we we recorded a studio
album together and that was in 2014 Ithink we completed that So it's been a
minute But yeah so that was really reallygreat I gotta do a Nashville studio
album and it was super educational forme I learned a lot a lot of stuff and
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yeah there there's just so many amazingmusicians in Nashville It's it's truly
remarkable how many people have dedicatedtheir life to becoming super proficient
at a instrument or a craft So it's itis cool It's just cool to see all that
like Nashville's of those I mean I'vebeen there and it's It is amazing to
see the the amount of music but fromsomebody who just enjoys things versus
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professional level Like you differentexperience when you hear the the
different level of writing that you wereexperiencing say at the the Bluebird
Cafe or being around of those other folks
Yeah
it just don't know is it An environmentwhere everybody lifts each other up
I think so I I'm sure there's differentcorners of the community where maybe it
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doesn't feel that way but my experiencewas that uh it's like it's seeing
you know when you see somebody who'sbetter at you in something you can
either be mad at 'em or you can be likeuh appreciative of their talent and
try and learn from it So yeah I meaneverywhere you turn there's somebody
doing something amazing it seems like
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Hmm
It can be daunting for sure Ithink you go through some bouts of
uh depression because of it Maybethinking what am I doing here You know
everybody's so good But um I think weall have something unique to offer so
I try and come back to that thought
Have you and what it is that youhave to offer what it is or why
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is in this in the world of music
Yeah I think I'm in that place nowactually I think I'm uh yeah I mean
I guess maybe to transition away fromNashville the the the other side of
Nashville is you know all the musiceverything you go Experiences generally
in a bar So there's a lot of drinking andthere's a lot of kind of that side of life
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that obviously you don't have to partakein But for me I definitely partook in all
that And when I left I decided to quitdrinking I've been five years now without
drinking and I think I just needed to hita reset button And so yeah I think I'm
in that phase right now trying to stilltrying to recover in a way and redefine
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myself and out what my voice is as a assomebody who's just sober don't know I
don't have an answer in terms of I haven'tfound the answer yet but I'm trying
Well
you're doing it You know you're not In a
night
Right
I'm sure it's a lot of peerpressure in a in a town like that
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Yeah I mean I think most people arejust doing their own thing and you
get wrapped up into it Not not so muchlike Hey you gotta drink with us but I
mean you know rock and roll music it'slong been associated with alcohol and
partying and all that stuff but yeahthere's there's a lot of people too who
go the other way I think especially nownowadays there's a lot more people trying
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to pursue mindfulness and consciousnessand present maybe than there have been
in the past That's just my opinion Idon't know if that's true or not but
Is
you would say that youpractice Uh mindfulness and
Yeah I'm a novice meditation er
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I as well
so
Yeah
Yeah so you know it's kind ofchallenging but rewarding Do
you do you find it rewarding
I
I do my mind and thoughts are always goingso fast and bouncing like a pinball that
that one moment during the day where Ican call my thoughts or might not clear
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'em all Common mall But I'm working on it
totally Yeah It's hard
It is hard
Yeah
but you only get better at it practice it
Totally
mm-hmm
Yeah
so being in Jackson now how has thisCommunity influence where you are now
in your in your life and your career
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Well I think it's because it's achallenging community to in I'm not to be
complacent and I've I want to you know Iwant to become independent again I think
When I was younger I was independentbecause I didn't have anything you know
I was broke and I didn't need much Um nowI have a wife and working on a family and
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I think this community I mean it lights afire under you a little bit Like you gotta
figure things out How are you gonna makemoney And for me and my goal has always
been to do that with music So I write alot of songs I I'm trying to get better
at songwriting and I would love to havesome songs that were known on the world
stage it's a tall task but a guy can dreamyou know And I think professionally just
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trying to become a better musician thiscommunity has has helped me with that I
think a lot of opportunity to play here so
Let's take a quick break to getfrom one of our sponsors and I wanna
learn more about how the communityhas helped you fulfill what your are
All right Cool
Isaac welcome back We're talking abouthow Jackson a challenging community and
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you're working on Make it a go at beinga musician songwriter is your full-time
providing income source cause you havea family now and working on a family
you married and um you said Jacksoncan challenge you and provide you with
different opportunities What are some ofthose Challenges you as a in the musical
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world singer songwriter world experienced
Hmm Well say the the music opportunitiesin Jackson are more for playing at
weddings and Corporate events playingin the bars you're entertaining people
and trying to find the right vibe fora room I've learned a lot about that
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in the last six years you know and alsotransitioning from being a performer of
my own songs trying to perform them forme to being more of like a jukebox where
just trying to set the right right moodfor people and not necessarily draw too
much attention to myself that's beena good challenge I I think it's been
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helpful for me to I think before I wasreally nervous a lot when I performed and
now I I'm not so nervous I I'm a littledisconnected from the result of the
audience response which has been a goodthing I think for me it's I I'm learning
more to perform for myself rather thanperform for some kind of result So that's
one way I think performing here aroundJackson is has helped me as a musician
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What do moved you from performingfor the audience You know their
response to performing for yourself
a little bit necessity so
you know when you when you play asong here in these environments and
there for the for the people they'renot necessarily there for you you
know they didn't show up and buy aticket to come see you specifically
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play It's more that you were hired toprovide some ambiance for their party
Uh
huh
And and when you sing a song and likenobody claps or when I was younger uh it
would it would like kill me to my coreLike oh God I suck I'm terrible But what
you realize is no people are actually justsort of in their own world and they're
you know they're not thinking about youjust trying to have a good time with their
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friends And so I think tr that transitionof realizing it's not all about me when
I'm performing It's it's about all of ustogether and I'm here for them as a more
of a a service than a performance I thinkthat's what helped me going through that
You know just thinking about howyou made that transition that
you're there to you know provide theambiance and no longer frustrated if
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nobody applauds for for a song wasthat a grounding experience for you
Yeah definitely I it's just taught mea lot about myself and you know the ego
and am I am I performing just to geta positive response from people or I
doing it because it means something tome individually and I I think yeah I
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had to be honest with myself I I thinka lot about it even when I'm performing
like trying to uh stay grounded and notfocus too much on my own personal maybe
egoistic to be acknowledged yeah So it'ssuper grounding I would say Humbling
Hmm
Yeah
And
in a good way
when you have a a schedule what is yourschedule in life look like for work
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When
When you're performing it's it'sgotta be different than somebody
who's got eight to five job
Yeah Well actually I have one of thosetoo yeah Yeah I do a lot I mean it's
Jackson so a lot of people have have tobe multifaceted to survive yeah when I
got when I moved back here I got a jobas a property manager for Teton Science
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Schools So I'm basically like a a handymantype person So a typical day for me in the
summer will you know I'll bring sometimesthree changes of clothes I show up to
work at seven and then work till threeand then I'll change and I'll drive to
whatever event I'm playing at and uh setup play for three hours or four hours
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and then know clean up everything Gethome around 10 And then sometimes do it
all again or do it three or four timesin a week yeah so it can be a lot but
it's it's super full It's full days It'sfulfilling it's fun and it's good to be
busy I'm grateful that then somethingwe haven't talked about is I also uh I
coached high school basketball for thelast five years as well it Yeah Uh that's
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that's my other passion I'm a huge I'ma basketball nut I I love basketball
I'm an addict of basketball I would saySo yeah So it's a it's a lot I like it
like
like when I travel Anywhere I go I callevery single gym in that city and try and
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find a pick up basketball game On the daysI'll be there like that I watch a lot of
college basketball I you know I'm rightnow I'm watching the NBA playoffs and
here in Jackson uh we have a really goodcrew of basketball players and we play
three days a week I wish it was more butthree days is good So yeah just you know
it's a community basketball it's similarto a music community It's just different
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What do you get out of students students
I mean it's really challenging totake knowledge you've assimilated
as a player and put it into words toexpress to somebody else that that
was my main challenge with it It stillis I think because I can understand
everything perfectly just by doing itbut communicating that to somebody else
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who's younger and more inexperienced Isa great challenge but I I loved it I mean
it's it's fun And then to see the kidsgrow and to be a mentor and to be there
for them not just for basketball stuffbut life stuff I mean high school's hard
all remember it's it's you go through alot of things So cool to be a big brother
in that way and give back a little bit tothe community So super rewarding I'd say
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That's awesome
were you happy with the outcome ofthe n ncaa uh championship this year
I was I thought it was I thoughtit was an amazing tournament of
twists and turns How about you
I kept up with bit I wasamazed I went to Alabama I'm in
Oh no
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far that team made it I
were good
I did not follow them through theseason And then I think it was close
to the playoffs people Somebodysaid to me yeah ABA your your Bama
team's doing well They're number oneI was like you gotta be kidding me
Yeah would've thought
Who would've thought
But myself and many others picked one towin the the national championship you know
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I
think a lot of people afew people did pick them
I
would say not many picked whowon the national championship
Yeah not as many No
diehard fans
Yeah they were a good sleeper team Yukonbut uh yeah definitely unexpected I'd say
So what's what's on the the dreamof you want to accomplish Isaac
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Well I'd like to release some more musicI haven't released an album since 2014
I've released a few singles so yeah Ihave a bunch of songs that I'm trying to
wrap up and find a cohesive unit to putout there in the world I'd also like to
be more prolific in what I release I tendto hold things pretty tight and not put
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'em out there so that's a goal of mine tolet go a little bit And then yeah I got
some other things up the sleeve that if weever talk again maybe I'd tell you about
but I'm still in the works and yeah tryingto build a family with my wife and just
become a better person that's it right now
And you were talking to somebody Who wasbouncing around from colleges playing on
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the music circuit and saying that theygonna go and be a musician and record
an album or reflecting back and seeingyourself you know 20 years ago what
would what would you tell that person now
I would probably say to trust yourself totrust your gut and go with your spirit I
was surrounded by a lot of really amazingmusicians and music minds And there was
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I mean it's a fine line between takingthe advice and then knowing what you want
that I guess that was just something Ihad to go through and maybe everybody's
gotta go through that But I wish sometimesI would've voiced my opinion a little
bit stronger and and pushed for thethings that I wanted a little bit more I
wouldn't know that unless I'd gone throughthat experience So maybe everybody does
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I that that'd be my advice Just trustyourself Believe in your your inner quiet
voice It's got something good to say
Isaac
Cool Yeah
how can people find your albumin some of those singles put out
Uh you can find 'em on Spotify
Uhhuh
My website's just isaac hayden music.comand there's a bunch of different
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links and videos there as well butyeah and I I'm on Instagram and those
things but it's all on my website so
That's awesome
reach reach out say hiI'd love to hear from you
Okay
Isaac I appreciate you taking time tosit down and talk with me today and
share some background of who you are and.
let us all get to know you alittle bit more, and this has been
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Thanks for having me Stephen It'sreally cool I'll keep listening sir.
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At the jackson hole connection.comand welcome to episode number 242.
Today's guest is a singer, songwriter,handyman, a guy who knows how
to survive here in Jackson Hole.
Isaac Hayden.
Locals should recognize his name andmaybe some no non-locals do as well.
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Isaac has played the circuithere in Jackson Hole at the
bars here in the region.
Weddings, corporate events.
Well, Isaac has taken the leap.
In his past to create his ownalbum and has actually published
several single releases too.
And in my humble opinion,allowing yourself to be on stage.
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And be vulnerable to an audience.
Takes enormous amount ofconfidence and bravery.
I give it a to anybody who gets up onstage and performs, cuz trust me, you
don't want to hear me sing on stage.
And I tell you what, Isaac has done itand continues to do so, and he shares
with us today what you don't see fromthe stage, but more of what is behind
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the curtain of a person giving it all tomake life in Jackson Hole as a musician.
Hey Isaac.
Thanks for joining me here todayat the Jackson Hole Connection.
It's delightful to havesome of your time today.
Thanks for having me Stephan
You're very welcome.
And I like to begin, I have begunevery single episode of people
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sharing where they're born and raised.
So let you start off by sharing,
where'd you come into this world and,
get to run around and get dirty as a kid.
All right Yeah Um well I was born inSacramento California 1980 and my dad was
a preacher's like an assistant preacherat a church big megachurch down there
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he ended up getting a job up in the SanJuan Islands uh Friday Harbor to be more
specific And so we moved up there whenI was about a year and a half And I had
most of my formative childhood years thereon Friday Harbor all the way till I was
13 And then my parents decided uh theisland was a little too small for myself
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and my two younger twin brothers and theystarted looking for another church And
turns out Jackson Hole Wyoming didn't havea Presbyterian church at that time So we
came out visited and everybody liked itand my dad decided to pack us up and bring
us out here And so I went to my eighthgrade year and then high school here
in Jackson And yeah that's how I got inthe valley And now I'm back after living
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all around the country And now I'm back
welcome back Isaac.
Thanks
So your dad helped start thePresbyterian church here in town.
He did Yeah Yeah With a group ofuh local Presbyterian supporters
I guess they banded together andhired him on as the first preacher
what's it, what was it like growing up,
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around here in this area asa, the son of a preacher?
Well I don't have a lot to contrast itto but it was it was great I mean every
Sunday you know you have a community ofpeople that you see every week and that
are interested in you and Interested insupporting you and encouraging you to grow
And I think the coolest part for me waswhen I got a little older the the church
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had a piano and I had a couple buddiesand my dad would let me come down after
hours at night and play the piano andjust sing in the in the whole auditorium
And that was really fun for me I thinka big part of my musical development was
uh having access to that I'm a terriblepiano player but it was fun to just like
bang away and come up with stuff you know
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But you got to play.
That's all right.
Yeah totally
And,
I've heard a lot about the San JuanIslands, but I'm not that familiar.
Could you describe the San JuanIslands a little bit for folks?
sure well it's There's a whole bunch ofkiller whales up in that area The movies
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Free Willie were filmed up there andactually when I was a kid me and some
buddies auditioned for one of the freeWillie movies be like some hillbilly
background kids We didn't get the partBut uh that was big time for us And I
mean it's very small It's it kind ofreminds me of like Hobbit land in Lord
of the Rings and uh it's like that but afishing village as well it's small it's
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a lot of tourism a lot of boating andsailing I I spent a lot of time on the
docks catching shrimp off the side of thedocks and it's it's it's small and it's
a little bit rural feeling But uh similarto Jackson with so much tourism you get
a lot of diversity that rolls through Soit's a wonderful place It's super super
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beautiful uh worth a visit if you're inthe Seattle area You know it's like an
hour ferry ride an hour drive and an hourferry ride from Seattle it's really cool
Sounds like the place where you couldjust leave the house during the day
and show up at night for dinner, and
it was all
That was it Yep
Yeah I've got in a lot of troubleGood Kind of trouble you know
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but yeah little kid trouble
Yeah
I, grew up in a small town and we wouldshow up to our house and my mom would hose
us down before she'd let us in the house.
Sometimes we weren't in trouble.
She's just
you're too in the house.
It's a full day right there
was,
Nice work
just be able to hop on your bikeand just go for it and not worry
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about much of anything else.
Totally
Yeah.
Yeah
And so you said you've livedaround the country in other places.
Where else has your heart taken you?
Well um in college I I went to SpokaneWashington for a year and I played some
college basketball up there Um that wasgreat And then after that I dropped outta
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college and started pursuing music I ittook me down to Southern California Um I
lived in San Diego and Costa Mesa LA areafor a while and then I re-entered college
back in I went to Florida State Universityat Tallahassee My best friend was there
and he I was looking for a place to landand he invited me so I lived there for
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a minute And then back to Jackson Andthen uh I moved to Nashville for about
10 years and I lived there from aboutoh nine to well off and on from oh nine
to the late you know 2018 somewhere inthat area And uh and then I came back to
Jackson So that's been mostly where I'velived with maybe a few short stints in
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other spots But yeah I've been to Jacksonnow about six years since I came back
And I, I take it.
What took you to Nashville?
so it turns out it was music the islandI grew up on Friday Harbor the lady
who babysat me ended up marrying areally really great uh music engineer
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and when I recorded my first two albumshere in Jackson my dad sent 'em out to
some family friends one of which washer family and she passed it on to her
husband And he he ended up being like amulti Grammy winning uh mixing engineer
we started a correspondence and I wouldsend him everything I had wrote all the
time you know just I'd send him a batchof songs and he was kind enough to respond
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you know with critiques generally mostlycritiques saying like this isn't very good
Or keep trying you know keep riding it'sthis is getting better or whatever we did
that for maybe two years And then finallyhe said you know you should you should
come out here man You should move outhere And so I did I I dropped everything
and a chance and moved out there I livedin his studio for a couple months before
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I found a place to live And um I just Ilearned a lot from him It was really great
And that that's basically why I went toNashville or how I got there Anyway so it
turned into a whole bunch of other stuffbut that was my foot in the door anyway
Well
we certainly have some time for youto describe what that other stuff was.
Sure Well I'll say you know Iguess my first experience that I
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remember was I went to the BluebirdCafe have you heard of that
I think I have from when I was inNashville and I was on the strip.
Okay
Would I have, seen it on the strip?
not on the strip but it's as well knownas as the strip is uh it's it's more like
off in a side part of town but it's areally famous Songwriting cafe basically
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and what they do is they put four artistsin a round and they go around and one
artist will play a song Then the nextartist will play their song And it's it's
really famous for all all the songwritersin Nashville will go play there So the
people you've never you know you've heardthe big artist Tim McGraw sing a famous
song but then go to the Bluebird andyou hear the guy that wrote it sing it
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and I went there and I I sat through foursongs one from each artist And I remember
there's a guy named Eric Pasley He playeda song and after he played it I was just
like can I swear on here What's the what'sthe deal with swearing No swearing I I
on the podcast,
I
didn't asking about, you asked him about,
Oh no sorry
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Um
I wanted to emphasize my
Yeah.
You can throw a wordout every now and then.
okay sounds good Well I I was basicallyjust like holy shit this is the real
deal These guys are amazing I actuallyleft I sat through four songs and then I
left I I went home and immediately startedtrying to write Better songs because I I
realized that the level of artistry thereand songwriting craft was just it was it
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was new to me It was a whole differentlevel than I was used to And so that
took me to uh I just started playing indifferent little they're called songwriter
nights and And you know they have stufffor famous people and then they got stuff
for nobody's like me And uh I I playeda bunch of those all around and you sort
of I sort of organically began meetingpeople in the city and being invited to
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different songwriting nights And theneventually uh I sang a few songs in front
of a artist named Shelly Fairchild andshe was kind of a Nashville staple and
she invited me to open a couple shows forher And that was sort of how I branched
out even further And I don't know kindof just kept going like that You you
meet people they hear you songs If theylike you they might invite you to do
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something And I really enjoyed Nashvillea lot of people think of it as more of a
competitive community but I found it tobe more uh an embracing community it was
a cool experience I love Nashville still
And where did you know that introductionwhere, you were invited to open
for, that singer?
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Where did that take you?
Well not too far but you know just I Ithen I got some more opportunities like
I guess I gotta open a couple shows forKe Mo out of that Um ke Mo is a kind of
a famous blues artist Have you heard ofhim Yeah and I mean it it's a strange
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community there because you have all thesereally influential people tucked away and
you know you wouldn't know that they'rethere but There's 20 people in the room
and one of them's a famous songwriter anartist And So that was one thing And then
on the side of that I found a really coolartistic community that was based out
of a venue called the Building and did aMonday night open mic night essentially
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But there would be a featured artistevery Monday and the whole group of us
probably 30 or 40 artists would go thereevery Monday and we really developed a
strong uh chemistry and community and umthrough that became a lot of connections
And don't know just friendships Some ofthose people went on to be successful
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Other people quit and our realtors nowor whatever I don't know There was a
lot of different little many adventuresin my time in Nashville that were that
were served different purposes and yeah
And.
Do you see yourself assongwriter and singer?
I guess that's what I've been is Iwrite my own songs and I perform 'em as
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an artist but I've I've had some songsrecorded by other people as well which has
been really cool an honor yeah primarilyI I'd say I'm a songwriter artist would
be what I've been uh for most of my career
and how do other artistsfind your songs to perform?
there's so many songs that are out there.
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Totally.
I think most of it is, uh, word ofmouth through the community or, you
know, maybe they come to a show andthey see you perform, or you have a
friend who's their friend and they say,Hey man, you gotta hear this song, or
I think this would be perfect for you.
that's one way.
And then another way isthrough a publishing company.
if you have a publisher, , I, I hada publisher for a few years, and
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what a publisher does is they'llpitch your songs to artists.
they try and find a good match,kinda like a, you know, a, a cupid
of sorts of artists songwriter.
But yeah, for me it was always justplace, right time, and a friend
of a friend, that kind of thing.
For the most part.
Yeah.
What's it feel like when anotherartist picks up your song?
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it's really cool It's I think it couldbe uh like a dual I mean first it's a
it's an honor I think a songwriter towrite a song that someone else connects
to enough that they might wanna recordit for themself And then it's also maybe
a little unnerving because you you'renot sure uh how their version is gonna
suit your own personal expectations forthat song But I don't know I think that's
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a lesser lesser thing I I think mostlyit's just exciting that you want it's
cool to hear somebody else's version ofsomething that you created So I think
for me it's always been an excitingthing regardless of how it turns out
did you cut a or reach somegoals of of that nature
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yeah I did I I had a few goals I firstI had a a mutual friend here in Wyoming
that connected me to a guy out therewho had a a a recording or like a live
music venue in his in his loft apartmentreally strange but he would have would
do concerts in his apartment and um heended up Putting a stage in and all this
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stuff So we ended up doing a live livealbum in his apartment And uh I invited a
bunch of my friends and and they broughttheir friends and we recorded a whole
live album with a live audience And wassuper cool and that was kind of like
my my uh business card for the next fewyears to give to people And then through
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that I met another guy ended up beingmy publisher and we we recorded a studio
album together and that was in 2014 Ithink we completed that So it's been a
minute But yeah so that was really reallygreat I gotta do a Nashville studio
album and it was super educational forme I learned a lot a lot of stuff and
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yeah there there's just so many amazingmusicians in Nashville It's it's truly
remarkable how many people have dedicatedtheir life to becoming super proficient
at a instrument or a craft So it's itis cool It's just cool to see all that
like Nashville's of those I mean I'vebeen there and it's It is amazing to
see the the amount of music but fromsomebody who just enjoys things versus
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professional level Like you differentexperience when you hear the the
different level of writing that you wereexperiencing say at the the Bluebird
Cafe or being around of those other folks
Yeah
it just don't know is it An environmentwhere everybody lifts each other up
I think so I I'm sure there's differentcorners of the community where maybe it
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doesn't feel that way but my experiencewas that uh it's like it's seeing
you know when you see somebody who'sbetter at you in something you can
either be mad at 'em or you can be likeuh appreciative of their talent and
try and learn from it So yeah I meaneverywhere you turn there's somebody
doing something amazing it seems like
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Hmm
It can be daunting for sure Ithink you go through some bouts of
uh depression because of it Maybethinking what am I doing here You know
everybody's so good But um I think weall have something unique to offer so
I try and come back to that thought
Have you and what it is that youhave to offer what it is or why
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is in this in the world of music
Yeah I think I'm in that place nowactually I think I'm uh yeah I mean
I guess maybe to transition away fromNashville the the the other side of
Nashville is you know all the musiceverything you go Experiences generally
in a bar So there's a lot of drinking andthere's a lot of kind of that side of life
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that obviously you don't have to partakein But for me I definitely partook in all
that And when I left I decided to quitdrinking I've been five years now without
drinking and I think I just needed to hita reset button And so yeah I think I'm
in that phase right now trying to stilltrying to recover in a way and redefine
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myself and out what my voice is as a assomebody who's just sober don't know I
don't have an answer in terms of I haven'tfound the answer yet but I'm trying
Well
you're doing it You know you're not In a
night
Right
I'm sure it's a lot of peerpressure in a in a town like that
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Yeah I mean I think most people arejust doing their own thing and you
get wrapped up into it Not not so muchlike Hey you gotta drink with us but I
mean you know rock and roll music it'slong been associated with alcohol and
partying and all that stuff but yeahthere's there's a lot of people too who
go the other way I think especially nownowadays there's a lot more people trying
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to pursue mindfulness and consciousnessand present maybe than there have been
in the past That's just my opinion Idon't know if that's true or not but
Is
you would say that youpractice Uh mindfulness and
Yeah I'm a novice meditation er
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I as well
so
Yeah
Yeah so you know it's kind ofchallenging but rewarding Do
you do you find it rewarding
I
I do my mind and thoughts are always goingso fast and bouncing like a pinball that
that one moment during the day where Ican call my thoughts or might not clear
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'em all Common mall But I'm working on it
totally Yeah It's hard
It is hard
Yeah
but you only get better at it practice it
Totally
mm-hmm
Yeah
so being in Jackson now how has thisCommunity influence where you are now
in your in your life and your career
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Well I think it's because it's achallenging community to in I'm not to be
complacent and I've I want to you know Iwant to become independent again I think
When I was younger I was independentbecause I didn't have anything you know
I was broke and I didn't need much Um nowI have a wife and working on a family and
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I think this community I mean it lights afire under you a little bit Like you gotta
figure things out How are you gonna makemoney And for me and my goal has always
been to do that with music So I write alot of songs I I'm trying to get better
at songwriting and I would love to havesome songs that were known on the world
stage it's a tall task but a guy can dreamyou know And I think professionally just
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trying to become a better musician thiscommunity has has helped me with that I
think a lot of opportunity to play here so
Let's take a quick break to getfrom one of our sponsors and I wanna
learn more about how the communityhas helped you fulfill what your are
All right Cool
Isaac welcome back We're talking abouthow Jackson a challenging community and
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you're working on Make it a go at beinga musician songwriter is your full-time
providing income source cause you havea family now and working on a family
you married and um you said Jacksoncan challenge you and provide you with
different opportunities What are some ofthose Challenges you as a in the musical
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world singer songwriter world experienced
Hmm Well say the the music opportunitiesin Jackson are more for playing at
weddings and Corporate events playingin the bars you're entertaining people
and trying to find the right vibe fora room I've learned a lot about that
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in the last six years you know and alsotransitioning from being a performer of
my own songs trying to perform them forme to being more of like a jukebox where
just trying to set the right right moodfor people and not necessarily draw too
much attention to myself that's beena good challenge I I think it's been
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helpful for me to I think before I wasreally nervous a lot when I performed and
now I I'm not so nervous I I'm a littledisconnected from the result of the
audience response which has been a goodthing I think for me it's I I'm learning
more to perform for myself rather thanperform for some kind of result So that's
one way I think performing here aroundJackson is has helped me as a musician
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What do moved you from performingfor the audience You know their
response to performing for yourself
a little bit necessity so
you know when you when you play asong here in these environments and
there for the for the people they'renot necessarily there for you you
know they didn't show up and buy aticket to come see you specifically
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play It's more that you were hired toprovide some ambiance for their party
Uh
huh
And and when you sing a song and likenobody claps or when I was younger uh it
would it would like kill me to my coreLike oh God I suck I'm terrible But what
you realize is no people are actually justsort of in their own world and they're
you know they're not thinking about youjust trying to have a good time with their
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friends And so I think tr that transitionof realizing it's not all about me when
I'm performing It's it's about all of ustogether and I'm here for them as a more
of a a service than a performance I thinkthat's what helped me going through that
You know just thinking about howyou made that transition that
you're there to you know provide theambiance and no longer frustrated if
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nobody applauds for for a song wasthat a grounding experience for you
Yeah definitely I it's just taught mea lot about myself and you know the ego
and am I am I performing just to geta positive response from people or I
doing it because it means something tome individually and I I think yeah I
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had to be honest with myself I I thinka lot about it even when I'm performing
like trying to uh stay grounded and notfocus too much on my own personal maybe
egoistic to be acknowledged yeah So it'ssuper grounding I would say Humbling
Hmm
Yeah
And
in a good way
when you have a a schedule what is yourschedule in life look like for work
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When
When you're performing it's it'sgotta be different than somebody
who's got eight to five job
Yeah Well actually I have one of thosetoo yeah Yeah I do a lot I mean it's
Jackson so a lot of people have have tobe multifaceted to survive yeah when I
got when I moved back here I got a jobas a property manager for Teton Science
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Schools So I'm basically like a a handymantype person So a typical day for me in the
summer will you know I'll bring sometimesthree changes of clothes I show up to
work at seven and then work till threeand then I'll change and I'll drive to
whatever event I'm playing at and uh setup play for three hours or four hours
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and then know clean up everything Gethome around 10 And then sometimes do it
all again or do it three or four timesin a week yeah so it can be a lot but
it's it's super full It's full days It'sfulfilling it's fun and it's good to be
busy I'm grateful that then somethingwe haven't talked about is I also uh I
coached high school basketball for thelast five years as well it Yeah Uh that's
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that's my other passion I'm a huge I'ma basketball nut I I love basketball
I'm an addict of basketball I would saySo yeah So it's a it's a lot I like it
like
like when I travel Anywhere I go I callevery single gym in that city and try and
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find a pick up basketball game On the daysI'll be there like that I watch a lot of
college basketball I you know I'm rightnow I'm watching the NBA playoffs and
here in Jackson uh we have a really goodcrew of basketball players and we play
three days a week I wish it was more butthree days is good So yeah just you know
it's a community basketball it's similarto a music community It's just different
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What do you get out of students students
I mean it's really challenging totake knowledge you've assimilated
as a player and put it into words toexpress to somebody else that that
was my main challenge with it It stillis I think because I can understand
everything perfectly just by doing itbut communicating that to somebody else
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who's younger and more inexperienced Isa great challenge but I I loved it I mean
it's it's fun And then to see the kidsgrow and to be a mentor and to be there
for them not just for basketball stuffbut life stuff I mean high school's hard
all remember it's it's you go through alot of things So cool to be a big brother
in that way and give back a little bit tothe community So super rewarding I'd say
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That's awesome
were you happy with the outcome ofthe n ncaa uh championship this year
I was I thought it was I thoughtit was an amazing tournament of
twists and turns How about you
I kept up with bit I wasamazed I went to Alabama I'm in
Oh no
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far that team made it I
were good
I did not follow them through theseason And then I think it was close
to the playoffs people Somebodysaid to me yeah ABA your your Bama
team's doing well They're number oneI was like you gotta be kidding me
Yeah would've thought
Who would've thought
But myself and many others picked one towin the the national championship you know
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I
think a lot of people afew people did pick them
I
would say not many picked whowon the national championship
Yeah not as many No
diehard fans
Yeah they were a good sleeper team Yukonbut uh yeah definitely unexpected I'd say
So what's what's on the the dreamof you want to accomplish Isaac
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Well I'd like to release some more musicI haven't released an album since 2014
I've released a few singles so yeah Ihave a bunch of songs that I'm trying to
wrap up and find a cohesive unit to putout there in the world I'd also like to
be more prolific in what I release I tendto hold things pretty tight and not put
(29:13):
'em out there so that's a goal of mine tolet go a little bit And then yeah I got
some other things up the sleeve that if weever talk again maybe I'd tell you about
but I'm still in the works and yeah tryingto build a family with my wife and just
become a better person that's it right now
And you were talking to somebody Who wasbouncing around from colleges playing on
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the music circuit and saying that theygonna go and be a musician and record
an album or reflecting back and seeingyourself you know 20 years ago what
would what would you tell that person now
I would probably say to trust yourself totrust your gut and go with your spirit I
was surrounded by a lot of really amazingmusicians and music minds And there was
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I mean it's a fine line between takingthe advice and then knowing what you want
that I guess that was just something Ihad to go through and maybe everybody's
gotta go through that But I wish sometimesI would've voiced my opinion a little
bit stronger and and pushed for thethings that I wanted a little bit more I
wouldn't know that unless I'd gone throughthat experience So maybe everybody does
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I that that'd be my advice Just trustyourself Believe in your your inner quiet
voice It's got something good to say
Isaac
Cool Yeah
how can people find your albumin some of those singles put out
Uh you can find 'em on Spotify
Uhhuh
My website's just isaac hayden music.comand there's a bunch of different
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links and videos there as well butyeah and I I'm on Instagram and those
things but it's all on my website so
That's awesome
reach reach out say hiI'd love to hear from you
Okay
Isaac I appreciate you taking time tosit down and talk with me today and
share some background of who you are and.
let us all get to know you alittle bit more, and this has been
(31:08):
Thanks for having me Stephen It'sreally cool I'll keep listening sir.
Bye.
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