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Step behind the curtain of the music industry with Jay Franze and Tiffany Mason as they blend personal stories, industry expertise, and entertaining banter in this captivating episode. 

Jay shares a touching memory of introducing his family to rock band Hailstorm, revealing how lead singer Lizzy Hale made a special connection with his daughter that continued years later. The hosts then offer their unfiltered take on Hailstorm's new single "Darkness Always Wins," appreciating the band's talent while questioning the experimental direction of this particular track.

The conversation naturally flows through a landscape of music news, from Dave Grohl's surprise Coachella appearance to Billy Idol's collaboration with Avril Lavigne and Alice Cooper's reunion with his original band after five decades. Throughout these discussions, Jay's deep industry knowledge shines through, particularly when he breaks down what makes truly great music: the perfect combination of songwriting, performance, and production.

What truly sets this episode apart is the hosts' chemistry and willingness to get personal. Their "Question of the Day" segment asking for the best songs to "make whoopee to" generates hilarious responses from listeners, ranging from Nora Jones's romantic ballads to Metallica's aggressive "Enter Sandman." This playful interaction perfectly balances the more technical discussion where Jay explains different mixing philosophies, comparing the clean precision of engineers like Mike Shipley with the rawer "leave it all in" approach of others.

Whether you're a music industry professional, an aspiring artist, or simply someone who appreciates the stories behind the songs, this episode delivers entertainment, education, and inspiration. As Tiffany reminds us at the end: "Every track you love was once just an idea. Don't be afraid to chase yours."

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Tony Scott (00:05):
Welcome to The Jay Franze Show, a
behind-the-curtain look at theentertainment industry, with
insights you can't pay for andstories you've never heard.
Now here's your host, JayFrancie.

Jay Franze (00:33):
And we are coming at you live.
I am Jay Francie and joining metonight, the lily to my marshal
, my beautiful co-host MissTiffany Mason.

Tiffany Mason (00:43):
Good evening Jay.

Jay Franze (00:45):
If you are new to this show, this is your source
for the latest news, reviews andinterviews and you can join in.
You can comment, you can fireoff questions and if you feel
froggy and want to do it livehere on the show tonight with us
, you can do that at jayfranze.
com/ live.
All right, my friend, before weget started, let's just mention
the question of the day.
The question of the day issomething we'll answer later in

(01:06):
the show.
We will discuss it with you, somake sure you put your answers
in the comments and we will alsoread them from the socials.
The question is what is thebest song to make whoopee to?
Now we say whoopee.
Back to the dating game.
Do you remember that?
I love that.

(01:27):
Yes, was it called the datinggame?
What was it called?

Tiffany Mason (01:31):
The newlywed game .

Jay Franze (01:31):
Newlywed game.
Thank you, you got it.

Tiffany Mason (01:34):
Yeah, thank you.
How many points do I get forthat?

Jay Franze (01:36):
10 points.
Do we have a sound effect forthat?

Tiffany Mason (01:39):
That'll work.
Take an air horn.
Yes, the newlywed game.

Jay Franze (01:46):
So go ahead and put those comments in the comment
section.
Go ahead and fire them off onthe socials, do whatever you
want to do, but get them to usand we will read them a little
later here in the show.
Miss Tiffany, last week wetalked about a band called
Hailstorm.
I don't know if I ever told youthis, but I would like to tell
you, I'd like to tell everybodyelse here, that about, I would

(02:09):
say, seven years ago.

Tiffany Mason (02:14):
Okay.

Jay Franze (02:15):
I'm trying to judge based on my daughter's age.
So about I would say, I don'tknow, seven to 10 years ago who
knows, I don't know, I'm notgood at numbers Seven to ten
years ago, my wife, my twodaughters at the time I took
them to meet Hailstorm.
We were big fans.
We still are big fans.

(02:35):
We've always enjoyed theirmusic.
So I took them and we went andmet with them, the whole band.
It was nice to see the wholeband when we walked in the room.
Lizzy Hill yes, ma'am.

Tiffany Mason (02:49):
Oh, I was going to ask.
That was my question.

Jay Franze (02:51):
She's raising her hand like there's a question.

Tiffany Mason (02:55):
Slowly raising my hand.
I didn't know if Lizzy had beenwith them yet, because didn't
they have another?
Lead singer before.
Okay, it's always been her.

Jay Franze (03:06):
Lizzy Hale, the band Hailstorm Her and her brother
are the ones who started theband.
They started playing musictogether as kids.
And as they grew up, theirfriends joined the band, and so
on and so forth.

Tiffany Mason (03:17):
Somehow, I thought that you had told me
there was a different leadsinger.
I don't know.

Jay Franze (03:20):
Well, it's a little early in the show for me to be
pressing buttons, but I'm close.
I'm close to pressing it, oh no, Anyway.
So I took my family down.
We had a chance to meet withthem and as soon as we walked in
the room, I mean, lizziebypassed me, she bypassed my
wife.
She went straight up to Bella,my oldest daughter, and she got
down on her knees and just gaveher the biggest hug ever and was

(03:42):
so sweet to her.
And she got down on her kneesand just gave her the biggest
hug ever and was so sweet to her.
So it was very good.
And Lucy, the reason why I sayit was roughly, I'm going to say
nine years ago, because Lucywas strapped to my wife's chest.
I've got a picture of it andshe's strapped to my wife's
chest, so she was young and atthe time she's 10 now.

Tiffany Mason (04:01):
Yeah, nine years ago.

Jay Franze (04:02):
About nine years ago .
She must have been one or twoyears old, so anyway, she
strapped to the chest but lizziebypassed all of us, went
straight to bella, gave her thisbig hug just super nice to her
and it was great.
She signed a picture for her.
My daughter put it in a frame.
We still have it.
It's a great picture.

Tiffany Mason (04:19):
If I remember about, I'll throw it up on
instagram so everybody can checkit out yeah, I think that maybe
all of your daughter's likecool introductions to these
bands and everything.
I would think that that's madean impression on her and so
that's probably why becauseshe's playing guitar and
everything now right.
So I would think that that hassome weight.
You know, we form these stories, or whatever they claim, when

(04:43):
we're, you know, younger in lifeand so somewhere along the line
she has picked up that playingguitar and music and all those
things are good things.
Plus, you're in the industry.
So that's got to have an effecton her as well.

Jay Franze (04:57):
Well, it's cool.
It's funny too that she's Imean, she's the one that wants
to play music, but she nevergoes to shows with me.
Lucy's the one that goes toshows with me and Lucy doesn't
have any desire to play music.
It's funny how it works.

Tiffany Mason (05:09):
But oh, that is odd.

Jay Franze (05:11):
I mean strapped to my wife's chest.
She's meeting Hailstorm.

Tiffany Mason (05:14):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (05:14):
That doesn't happen to average people.
And here she is, from thatyoung and she goes to these.

Tiffany Mason (05:20):
And you are not average Joe.
Yeah, and you are not averageJoe.
Not an average Joe.
Oh, I was going to say did youjust call me Joe?
No, I am close to pressing it.
Your fingers are just burning.

Jay Franze (05:32):
I'm just ready to do it.
I'm like a junkie.
Should I fire her?
I'm shaking over here.
Is it too early to fire GeorgeChyman?
Is it too early to fire yet?
Yes, George.
So, anyways, we met the band,it was great.
And then, maybe I don't know, ayear or so later I got to work
with them and she came up to meand she said hi and remembered

(05:57):
me and everything.

Tony Scott (05:58):
And I didn't think she did.

Jay Franze (05:59):
We talked for quite a while I didn't really think
like she remembered anything.
But she came up to me beforeshe left and she hands me a
guitar pick and she says willyou give this to your daughter?
Wow, and I said absolutely.
So I took it.
Now that guitar picks, it'sinside the picture frame of the
picture that we have with that Ithought you were going to say
you, you took it.

Tiffany Mason (06:19):
Yeah, I took it.
I didn't even tell my daughterit happened I don't know what
you're talking about.

Jay Franze (06:23):
Anyways, I go through this story just to tell
you that Hailstorm has a newsingle out.

Tiffany Mason (06:29):
Wait, what you didn't finish.
She put it in the picture frame.
And what?

Jay Franze (06:32):
It's still there.
It's in the picture frame.
It's in the picture that'ssigned by the band.
It's just in addition to thepicture frame.
If we ever meet up with theband again and they give us
something else, I'm sure it'llend up somehow on the picture
frame.

Tiffany Mason (06:43):
Yeah, cool.

Jay Franze (06:44):
Very nice person.

Tiffany Mason (06:45):
Do you know how young they were when they formed
the band and then how old theywere when you met them?

Jay Franze (06:50):
Yeah, when they formed the band they were in
like junior high school.
I mean they were young.

Tony Scott (06:54):
Oh, my goodness.

Jay Franze (06:56):
I mean there's pictures of them playing
together, her and her brother,at early, early ages.

Tiffany Mason (07:01):
Oh ages.

Jay Franze (07:11):
Oh, but how old are they now, I mean, or when I met
them?
Oh god, I'd say 30s.
Oh, wow, okay, now I would saythey're probably 40s if I was a
betting.

Tiffany Mason (07:15):
Thanks, I couldn't do that math, I don't
know.
Well, we established earlier.

Jay Franze (07:19):
I'm not good with numbers and, to be fair, we're
talking about you.

Tiffany Mason (07:23):
A, z plus nine.
Oh, that hurt, that hurt rightin my heart, that hurt.

Jay Franze (07:33):
Anyways, they have a new single out, they have a new
single.

Tiffany Mason (07:36):
Yes, they do.

Jay Franze (07:37):
We checked it out earlier.
It's called Darkness AlwaysWins.
I have to say, as much as Ilike Hailstorm and as much as we
put Lizzy Hale at the top ofour best ever female vocalist,
the song wasn't my favorite.

Tiffany Mason (07:51):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (07:52):
It wasn't a bad song , I think.
The thing for me is it took toolong to kick in.

Tiffany Mason (07:59):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (07:59):
It kicked in eventually.

Tiffany Mason (08:01):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (08:02):
But it was a very, very long buildup.
So what did you think of thesong?
Sinister starting off sinisterum, I thought that.

Tiffany Mason (08:20):
I thought that at the beginning I heard that
movement again where, like, Iguess I'm becoming more aware of
it.
Maybe I felt like there werelayers going on, like it wasn't
all flat, or like in your face,like you say, or big and lush.
But I do agree that I was likeget to the point, get to the
point.
Get to the point.
Like you know, you're waitingfor that breakout, especially
from a band like that, and itdoes take a really long time and

(08:44):
I, I don't like the words.
So we all know I'm all aboutthe story and it's talking about
drowning in sin.
And I'm not drowning in my sin,I'm not without sin.
I'm just saying I'm notdrowning in it and the darkness
always wins, and I don't thinkdarkness always wins.
So it's a hard song for me toget behind, but maybe there's a,
you know, dual meaning.

Jay Franze (09:05):
Sometimes my mind can be changed, but yeah, she
mentioned in an interview thatit wasn't about promoting
darkness or negativity, but shesaid it also wasn't about
promoting positivity.
She says it's just talkingabout reality as it is right now
.

Tiffany Mason (09:21):
Maybe it's an industry thing, because also
twist its song was dark thoughts.
Yeah, maybe when people werecreating six months ago or a
year and a half ago or whatever,maybe things were I don't know,
maybe, maybe.
Well, we were in an electionyear, so things were dark.
Things were dark.

(09:42):
It could be, I don't know, justweird that those songs came out
very similar time frame,similar style of band, and then
you know, it just felt more likean experimental song to me than
their typical song.
Yeah, it did say signaling a newcreative direction.
So I don't know, maybe they'retrying something out, but this

(10:05):
experiment may not go in theirfavor.

Jay Franze (10:08):
Each of their albums , I will say they take a new
direction.
They don't repeat themselves.
Which?
I appreciate they don't repeatthemselves, but it doesn't
really go too far from theirbase, which is rock music.
They're a heavier music.
It's not over-the-top heavy.
It's still got a melody.

(10:29):
It still has room for her voiceto be melodic and show off the
low points as well as the highand the power behind her.
So, this did a little bit ofthat, but it was a little too.
The beginning of the song was alittle too much for me.

Tiffany Mason (10:46):
Yeah, yep, I would agree.

Jay Franze (10:49):
All right.

Tiffany Mason (10:49):
I would agree.

Jay Franze (10:50):
George, if you don't mind giving her a call and get
her on the show, and we will.
We'll talk to her.
We'll talk to her.
We'll see how she feels aboutour comments.
Remember, Lizzie, we did saythat we liked you.

Tiffany Mason (11:04):
Yes, you did get a lot of credit.

Jay Franze (11:10):
You know I personally put you at the top of
the best female vocalist ever.

Tiffany Mason (11:15):
Now, you did get kicked off, but I did that.
I am sorry.

Jay Franze (11:18):
It was by Pat Benatar, so there's nothing
wrong with that.

Tiffany Mason (11:21):
No shame there.
Yep, yep, yep.

Jay Franze (11:25):
George says he'll work on it and he also says it's
too early to fire you Thanks,george.

Tiffany Mason (11:35):
Holocene collaborates with Fame on Fire
with a new single, euphoria, andyou knew all about Holocene
Euphoria and you knew all aboutHolocene.
It says that they are Floridarockers, but you felt like maybe
they moved around a little bitand they maybe ended up in
Nashville.

Jay Franze (11:54):
I believe they're in Nashville now.
Okay, okay, holocene is a greatband.
It's a husband and wife.
They performed, obviously,together, and then they bring in
a drummer and they have thisopportunity.
Now they tour around the world.
But when I found them it was onyoutube and they performed, you
know, cover tunes and butreally powerful, strong cover

(12:17):
tunes.
It was really good and drew mein.
And then I noticed they wereplaying live streams on Twitch
like regularly, like twice aweek, and they were earning a
boatload of money playing it.
People were just paying themnot to not to end the stream.
They wanted to see it keepgoing.
People would chime in songs,make requests and they'd play
them and if they didn't know thesong, they would literally just

(12:40):
put you on pause for a secondand learn it right there on the
spot and then come back and playit.
I mean, that's talent.
They're a talented band.
They really are.
But what really got me was notjust their talent and their
performances and stuff, but itwas out of their house and their
house looks like a televisionstudio.

(13:01):
Yeah, and it sounds like arecording studio and they just
played these shows.
That looked top-notch and itwas really really good and they
were just really good all aroundwhen did you find them?
I would say about five years agoI was gonna ask if it was
during covid yeah, I mean, itwas probably right before COVID

(13:23):
when I found them, but throughCOVID for sure, yeah.

Tiffany Mason (13:26):
Yeah, people don't want them to stop playing
because they were bored AF andthey were enjoying their music.

Jay Franze (13:32):
I just appreciate their talent and they play hard
rock music and it's femalefronted and I'm a sucker for a
female fronted hard rock band.

Tiffany Mason (13:41):
We know this.

Jay Franze (13:42):
Like Hailstorm, which I think is a really good
band, and I think Lizzy Hill isprobably one of the best singers
ever.

Tiffany Mason (13:49):
Okay, I have a couple of things coming up for
me.
So, first of all, you sharedwith me that Sarah's grandma
sent the nicest little reviewand I was thinking of Hailstorm
being like Twisted Not really,but you know what I'm saying
Similar, very similar, and itwas just really sweet that her
grandma wrote into you.

(14:09):
So I think we should give ashout out to sarah's grandma, um
, if she's listening.
Thank you for the kind wordsand that was really sweet before
you go too far, let's be fair.
I think it was her grandfatheroh, okay, shout out to, to
Sarah's grandfather, to Grandpa.

Jay Franze (14:26):
Sarah.
Grandpa Sarah, yes, yeah, twist, it was on the show last week.
Yeah, her grandfather wrote usa personal note, which was very
nice of him to do, and it wasactually very complimentary, not
only of his granddaughter butof us.

Tiffany Mason (14:43):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (14:43):
Thank you, Grandpa Sarah.

Tiffany Mason (14:46):
Well, you saying that they could pick a song and
then just play it, and I knowI've shared before when they
just call up a random musicianand they're like, hey, we need a
bassist over here and they cancome and just show up and play
it.
I found out tonight that thatis true in the symphony as well.
I guess it's not that far of astretch, but I was just
surprised like huh, okay, likeyou need someone to fill in and

(15:09):
there's just some people thatcan just do that on a, you know,
on a short notice.
Just show up and start playingSome people can play music the
way that we talk.

Jay Franze (15:18):
I mean, some people are just that good at it.
But with a symphony it's alittle easier because they read
music Sure or somebody who'splaying.
But with a symphony it's alittle easier because they read
music Sure, where somebody who'splaying in a rock band or
something they come and fill inin a rock band or a country band
, although specifically incountry.
Although most music isrepetitive in some way, chord
changes from song to song.

(15:39):
I mean things are very similar.
You get 1-4-5 type chordchanges which are built off of
the scale.
Those things are very easy fora trained musician to pick up on
and catch what the repetitivethings are and they can jump in
and start playing.
I cannot do that.
I can recognize it, I knowwhat's going on, but I cannot

(15:59):
play.

Tiffany Mason (16:01):
Yeah, yeah, very cool.
Dave Grohl makes a surprisecoachella appearance.
He was with food foo fighters Ialmost said food, I think I did
say it food fighters and hejoined this.
Food fighters from thecafeteria um.
Dave grohl joined gustavoDudamo and the Los Angeles

(16:25):
Philharmonic for an unexpectedperformance and I like the
mixing of genres.

Jay Franze (16:31):
Okay, I was never a fan a big fan of Nirvana.
I appreciate what they did.
I appreciate coming up with anew genre of music and that
powerful and all that.
I appreciate their music.
It wasn't necessarily myfavorite and it didn't help that
it killed off the genre ofmusic that I loved, which was

(16:52):
hair metal at the time.
Yeah, yeah, but Dave Grohl,dear God, that man is talented
and Foo Fighters is a reallytalented band.
He's a great, great musician.
A multifaceted person and forwhatever reason, my daughter
likes foo fighters.
I love this kid.

(17:13):
I say that because theirplaylist is like the the oddest
looking playlist.
You got taylor, swift, you gotlana del rey, then you've got
the arctic monkeys and foofighters.
It's like I don't know whereyou're getting this music from.

Tiffany Mason (17:26):
But okay, I know some of the stuff that hannah
has too.
I'm like, okay, I didn't seethat coming, but okay, like you
said, that works okay.
Next on the list is billy idolreturns with avril lavigne in a
collaboration for a new album.
I'm very excited, yeah, sothat'll be pretty cool.

Jay Franze (17:48):
Billy Idol.
Obviously I grew up in the 80s.
I mean, that was my day oflistening to music and he was
big man on campus in the 80s,Yep.
But Avril Lavigne as much as Iget crap over it, I liked Avril
Lavigne.

Tiffany Mason (18:04):
I did too.

Jay Franze (18:05):
I started liking Avril Lavigne again,
female-fronted rock music.
We got your calling card itwasn't hailstorm-style rock, but
it was punk heavier than youraverage commercial song.

Tiffany Mason (18:19):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (18:20):
So I found it and this is sad.
I used to separate my Appleplaylist by producer and
engineer it wasn't by artist andI had reasons.
I mean, I would teach theengineering students so I would
be able to pull examples basedon who produced it or who
engineered it, which was prettycool to me, which was pretty

(18:42):
cool to me.
But when I would pull up Chrisand Tom Lord-Alge, the Lord-Alge
brothers who mixed AvrilLavigne I think it was Tom
Lord-Alge that mixed AvrilLavigne and I would pull that up
and show my students and they'dbe like Avril Lavigne and
they'd kind of hate her a littlebit.

Tiffany Mason (18:59):
But I liked her.
Yeah.

Jay Franze (19:04):
I'm a big fan.
And then she went to marryNickelback and there you go.

Tiffany Mason (19:07):
Yeah, whatever happened to her, did she just?

Jay Franze (19:10):
I think she's still putting music out and stuff.

Tiffany Mason (19:14):
Okay, alice Cooper is reuniting with the
original band for the firstalbum in over 50 years.
Holy crap, how do you make somuch good music, let 50 years go
by and then make more?
Yeah, that's crazy.

Jay Franze (19:28):
Alice Cooper's another one Was never one of my
favorites.
I don't dislike him, but he wasnever one of my favorites.
He's a good golfer, but hecollabs with Hailstorm.
He sings with Lizzy.

Tiffany Mason (19:39):
Hill all the time .

Jay Franze (19:40):
I think it's good that he's going back to his
original band.
Yeah, it's usually the originalband that makes people famous.
And then they get pissy andfight with each other and then
they break up for some reason oranother, and then it's never
quite the same again after that.
So I like when he's going backwith them, but he's also going
on the road with Judas Priest.

Tiffany Mason (20:00):
Oh.

Jay Franze (20:01):
I thought that was pretty cool.
It's an odd pairing to me.

Tiffany Mason (20:05):
Why is it an odd pairing to you?

Jay Franze (20:07):
Judas Priest is a little heavier, a little bit
more of your traditional hardrock and music where Alice
Cooper is a little bit moretheatrical.

Tiffany Mason (20:17):
Okay.

Jay Franze (20:17):
I mean it's rocky and stuff, but it's it's
theatric rock and when I thinkof Judas Priest I think of more
like biker rock.

Tiffany Mason (20:26):
Yeah, got it.
Nickelback and Gretchen Wilsonare joining Cattle Country Music
Festival.
They're going to be singingtogether.
I'm a big fan of both.
I had what is it Garage Bandand one of the Gretchen Wilson
songs.
I loved to do the GretchenWilson song.

Jay Franze (20:45):
Are you talking about the video game?

Tiffany Mason (20:48):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (20:49):
That's not garage.

Tiffany Mason (20:50):
For Wii.

Jay Franze (20:51):
For Wii Rock band oh gosh Rock band yes, Garage band
.
Oh my gosh, Garage band is thesoftware on Apple.
I mean, what are we talkingabout here?
You're confusing me.

Tiffany Mason (21:00):
No, you're fired.

Jay Franze (21:04):
There you go.
Look at that, I hit that musclememory.
I didn't even look at thebuttons.

Tiffany Mason (21:10):
It's because you're me and you fire me all
the time.

Jay Franze (21:14):
I've said this before Nickelback gets a lot of
hate, but I really like them.
I like all their music.
I really liked when MikeShipley, famous mix engineer,
was alive.
He mixed their records.
You couldn't make a bettersounding record than a
Nickelback record.
I mean production-wise andquality-wise.
Mike Shipley is by far or wasby far one of the best mix

(21:37):
engineers.
He was just awesome, andNickelback albums sound amazing.

Tiffany Mason (21:44):
Did you ever get to work with him?

Jay Franze (21:46):
No.

Tiffany Mason (21:47):
No.

Jay Franze (21:47):
No, I worked primarily in the country world.

Tiffany Mason (21:50):
Oh sure, Did you get to work with Mike Shipley.

Jay Franze (21:53):
No, that would have been awesome.

Tiffany Mason (21:55):
What did he do that you appreciated so much?
Sorry I keep interrupting you,but I'm interested in Mike.

Jay Franze (22:01):
Mike is just you talk about what you're calling
movement stereo imaging, so theway things move between the two
speakers.

Tiffany Mason (22:13):
And.

Jay Franze (22:13):
Mike Shipley was very good at that.
He was very good at makingthings sound extremely clean and
powerful and good all at thesame time.
It sounds like things havedepth and there's like you can
reach through and maybe hit aguitar in front of your face,
but then you can reach back andhit another sound deeper into
the music.

(22:34):
He was just very good.
I mean his productions, themixes that he did were very good
and, to be fair, Nickelback,they record their own music at
their house, so they're doing agreat job recording it.
For him to have quality musicto mix.
So I mean just great, greatoverall.

Tiffany Mason (22:54):
What makes it so that it's clean?
Like what?
Do you take a frequency out?
What tricks are there to cleanit up?

Jay Franze (23:02):
Well, there's a handful of tricks For me.
When I'm mixing a record, thethings that I think about are
people layer things.
They play like 10 guitar parts,maybe a handful of keyboard
parts, and when I get the music,I'm a very creative mixer, so I
take creative license and Iremove parts.
So if I have multiple guitarsplaying at one time, maybe I'll

(23:25):
find the ones that don't need tobe playing at that time.
I take advantage of the stereoimaging, like you mentioned,
where I'll put one guitar on oneside and maybe a competing
guitar on the other side.

Tiffany Mason (23:34):
I freaking love that.

Jay Franze (23:35):
So I do things like that and then maybe if a guitar
isn't playing at the time, I cutthat piece of the music where
it's not playing out so youdon't hear the guitar hum or
static in the background.

Tiffany Mason (23:49):
I take that.

Jay Franze (23:51):
Now, bob, he has a favorite quote where he says it
adds to the party, so he leavesthings in because he says it all
adds to the party and it's allthat stuff together that makes
something sound the way it does.
So I agree with Bob it does addto the party and does make
something sound a certain way,but the way I like to hear it

(24:11):
sound is clean.
I would prefer the Nickelbacksound over over like another
rock band that might leave itall in.
So, like Dave Grohl is a goodexample.
He's a he works with nothingbut the best and he's a very
good engineer and stuff inaddition to everything he does.
But, his is more of the let'sleave it in mentality.

(24:32):
Nirvana was definitely theleave it in mentality.
The guy who mixed the Nirvanarecord, in my humble opinion,
was not one of my favoriteengineers.
But his style was let's justleave it all in I.

Tiffany Mason (24:48):
I don't want to offend anybody, but it seems
like a lazier way to do it itcan be.

Jay Franze (24:54):
Um, now, when bob does it, I don't think it's a
lazy approach, because bob takesthings and he'll move them out
of the way.
He'll keep them in, but he'llmove them out of the way.
He'll keep them in, but he'llmove things around, and things
are constantly moving out of theway of each other.
So maybe a vocal will come in assomething else fades out, or

(25:14):
maybe something will move to theleft or to the right to open up
space in the center.
So I think that is not onlytaking a less lazy approach.
You have to be more creative tomake something like that happen
.
Sure, bob's not the only onewho does that, either.
Bob Claremountain, again one ofthe best mix engineers in the
world.
He was known for that.

(25:34):
Him and Bob are very, verysimilar mix engineers.

Tiffany Mason (25:39):
Interesting.
I was like picking your brainwhen we get together.
I want to just listen to music.
I want to say, okay, stop themusic.
What'd they do right there?
Okay, play some more.
Okay, stop the music.
What'd they do right there?

Jay Franze (25:52):
Country music very clean, very clean.
They use nothing but the bestequipment, the best musicians.
They play exactly what'sexpected to play at the exact
time.
Everything is clean.
If you listen to a countryrecord, it's to me way, way
overproduced sometimes.
Where Steve Albini he producedbands like Nirvana and Garbage

(26:14):
and those bands and it's just adifferent style of music.

Tiffany Mason (26:22):
Got it.
There you go.
Well, very interesting.
Well, next on our little list,here is Mr Jelly Roll.
He is recommended for a pardonFrom the Tennessee Board.
He has been unanimously Record.
He has been unanimouslyRecommended.

Jay Franze (26:41):
George, I'm going to need you to come in here and
read the news.

Tiffany Mason (26:44):
English is tricky , english can be tricky.
Anyway, he's asking TennesseeBoard of Parole for the crimes
committed in his youth to bepardoned.
The final decision now lieswith Governor Bill Lee.
Well, I think if you say hisname too fast, it just sounds
like Billy.
Makes me think of Bruce Lee.
It just sounds like.

Jay Franze (27:02):
Billy.

Tiffany Mason (27:05):
Makes me think of Bruce Lee.
So I'm sure you did not followKim Kardashian when she tried to
pardon a couple of people, butI think it's, you know, in the
right setting.
I think it's a good thing.
He surely is giving back to theworld, so he's, you know,
repenting for whatever he did,and it was in his youth, so'm

(27:27):
guessing drug related yeah Ibelieve he has spoken about his
drug use in the past all right,moving on, loretta lynn is
honored at the grand old opryfeaturing crystal gill.
Emmy russell I don't know emmyrussell.
Taylor lyn don't know her.
Matriona McBride, ashleyMcBride and Carly Pierce.

(27:48):
There you go.
Do you know the ones I said?
I didn't know Emmy Russell.

Jay Franze (27:53):
No, no, I don't, I know all the others.
Loretta Lynn great, she wasawesome Deserves the recognition
, for sure.

Tiffany Mason (28:02):
Glad she's getting recognition.

Jay Franze (28:04):
Crystal Gill.
I had an opportunity to work onprojects for both Loretta Lynn
and Crystal Gale.
I met Martina McBride a coupletimes.
I worked out of her studio orher husband's studio quite a bit
.

Tiffany Mason (28:21):
I would think if I met Martina McBride I'd
fangirl, Mostly because of hereyes.

Jay Franze (28:25):
I feel like I would just get lost in her eyes.
When I taught at theengineering school, she walked
by.
She was going into BMI, whichis the performing rights
organization, and she waswalking down the sidewalk and my
students were looking out thewindow and they just lost it
started screaming out the windowto her.

Tiffany Mason (28:42):
I believe that but she waved.

Jay Franze (28:44):
Now I took people on a tour of the studio and she
was not prepared for people andshe kind of hid off to the side
and didn't want people saying hior recognizing her Fair enough.

Tiffany Mason (28:59):
I'll never forget hearing Jenna Fisher from the
Office and she was on a podcasttalking about her grandmother
had just passed and she wasflying home to see her
grandmother and obviously sad,and somebody asked her for an
autograph or something and shedeclined and then I guess it
showed up on social media,whatever that she was being a B
and she like I just lost mygrandmother, like I just wasn't.

(29:22):
You know, I mean part of it's,you know that's the limelight
that you chose and part of it islike there's still people at
the end of the day.
So you know she hadn't taken ashower yet, she didn't want to
be seen, she wasn't people readyyet well, a little recognition
as long as we're talking abouther.

Jay Franze (29:38):
Mark rubel, he was on the show.
If you want, check out hisepisode.
It'd be great for you to goback and listen to it.
He played in a band out ofChicago and he moved to
Nashville and ended up becomingthe head of education at
Blackbird Studios.
Blackbird Studios is owned byJohn McBride, martina McBride's
husband, so it's a beautifulstudio.

Tiffany Mason (30:01):
Very cool.

Jay Franze (30:02):
He was there.
There, he was a great guy.
He'll be missed.
It was sad because he was onthe show and then, right after
he was on the show, I was goingto chicago to see him play and
his drummer had passed away.
So the show was canceled andthen, like a week or two after
that, mark passed away away.
Wow, so it was sad.
But, he worked with SteveAlbini in Chicago.

Tiffany Mason (30:28):
Ah, okay.

Jay Franze (30:30):
Got it, tying it in together.
Very good Question of the day.
The question of the day is thebest song to make Whoopi to
Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoopi.
The best song to make whoopeeto Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoopee.
The best song to make whoopeeto we're living on the edge
tonight, folks.
The best song to make whoopeeto who knew that we would talk

(30:52):
about such a subject.
All right, I kick it off, but Itell you.
I typically don't worry aboutmusic if I'm thinking about
making whoopee.

Tiffany Mason (31:05):
I just want to dive in.

Jay Franze (31:06):
I have no desire to worry about music, but I will
say my wife remembers this whenwe met who's the lady?
Who?
Nora Jones, thank you, Ianswered my own question, nora
Jones.

Tiffany Mason (31:18):
Thank you, I answered my own question.

Jay Franze (31:21):
When my wife and I decided to first make Whoopi, it
was to the Nora Jones album,the entire album.

Tony Scott (31:30):
That's because it took that long.
It was on repeat.

Tiffany Mason (31:34):
We had to cycle through three or four times.
Didn't we already decide youcould only do five songs on one
side?

Jay Franze (31:41):
Yeah well, cdd, it was on repeat.
Give me a break anyways let me,let me live my dream.
But nora jones was the thealbum playing, so I guess I will
go with that one for my bestsongs to make whoopee to nora
jones.
If you're out there, chime in,we'll talk to you about it.
We'll see if that's the intentyou had behind your recording.

(32:05):
Miss Tiffany, go ahead and giveus an answer of yours.

Tiffany Mason (32:08):
Well, this is where Metallica comes into play.

Jay Franze (32:11):
for me, oh dear God, Enter Sandman Gives me a whole
new meaning for that song.

Tiffany Mason (32:22):
Yeah, I don't know, just yep, that's that's,
that's it.

Jay Franze (32:28):
That's all you got to that well, no story, you know
nothing no, I just like that.
It's aggressive so we'restarting to understand.
Sweet little Miss Tiffany mightnot be so sweet folks.

Tiffany Mason (32:51):
You know, we all have our skeletons in our
closets.
There you go.

Jay Franze (32:56):
Me.
The one who listens to FiveFinger Death Punch brings up
Nora Jones and sweet lovemakingwith my future wife.
As we played the album onrepeat because it took us that
long to get through it, tiffanysays no, metallica, let's get
this thing going.

Tiffany Mason (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's where it's at for this
girl.
So I just put my cardigan on,but I think I'm just going to
take it right back off.

Jay Franze (33:23):
Just don't show us your beaver again.
Let's go with George.
George says stuck on you byLionel Richie.
See, he's in a whole differentworld than you are too.
He also says wonderful tonightby Eric Clapton.

Tiffany Mason (33:37):
Oh, that's nice.

Jay Franze (33:38):
All right, not bad.
Misty was with us last week.
Misty says sadness by enigma.
How do you say it?
Enigma, sadness by enigma,enigma.

Tiffany Mason (33:54):
Let's not have you say that fast.

Jay Franze (33:57):
Sadness by enigma.
That's another one you're goinggonna have to slow down for jay
I don't understand why anybodywould want to make love to
something that says sadness Imean, I guess, now that I know
my wife, I guess that might be agood something jay just kidding

(34:18):
.
If you're listening, you you'renot listening.

Tiffany Mason (34:21):
I know better, Just sleep.

Jay Franze (34:24):
Logan says I want you.
She's so heavy like the Beatles, Kara, wicked Games, chris
Isaac Now see that I canunderstand.
Yeah, jason's.
Like you, you shook me allnight long by ACdc oh amen,

(34:45):
jason, yes jason, you can reachout to tiffany at tiffany j
frenzycom nope, too muchcompatibility there, nope I feel
so bad for your husband I don'tfeel bad for him at all.

Tiffany Mason (35:05):
He's a lucky man.

Jay Franze (35:07):
He gets all this first of all, if it's not
compatible and you just beat theshit out of him every night, it
might be a problem.

Tiffany Mason (35:17):
Mr Mason's listening to Celine Dion.
He likes Celine Dion.
He likes very meaningful songs,which is surprising because he
only listens to music for theway it makes him feel he doesn't
ever listen for the words.

Jay Franze (35:31):
There you go.
That says a lot.
Right there folks, nina says Idon't want to miss a thing by
Aerosmith.

Tiffany Mason (35:39):
And I don't want to miss a thing by Aerosmith,
and I don't want to miss a thing.

Jay Franze (35:42):
Makes sense.
Dean says Sway by the RollingStones.

Tiffany Mason (35:50):
I don't know if I know this song, I bet I do.

Jay Franze (35:53):
Ava says Under the Bridge by the Red Hot Chili
Peppers.
Sorry, ava but, that's aboutdoing drugs.
I don't know how that can takein some heroin.

Tiffany Mason (36:03):
Maybe it makes her feel like she's getting high
.

Jay Franze (36:06):
Maybe, Blake also says Red Hot Chili Peppers, but
he says the Zephyr song.

Tiffany Mason (36:12):
Wow.
So some people like to makelove and some people Like to
beat the shit out of each other.

Jay Franze (36:18):
Got it, ella?
No, l-e-l-l-e L.
I like to beat the shit out ofeach other.
Got it, ella?
No, l-e-l-l-e L.

Tiffany Mason (36:26):
Hey, who was Sway by Rolling Stones?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay.

Jay Franze (36:32):
L says Love Bites, Def Leppard.

Tiffany Mason (36:37):
Love Bites.
Why are you making love to thatsong?

Jay Franze (36:41):
Ricky Crazy by Aerosmith.

Tiffany Mason (36:45):
Ooh, that's a good one.

Jay Franze (36:47):
Morgan Still Loving you by the Scorpions.
That's a great song.
Jesse Black by Pearl Jam.
Ooh that's a depressing song.
It's a great song, but it's notone.
I'd want to knock boots toBrooke Bed of Roses by Bon Jovi.
I can see it.

(37:07):
Brooke's probably an 80s girlBon Jovi around in the 80s.
Bed of Roses romantical, Got it?
Travis says November Rain byGuns N' Roses.
That's because Travis is a manthat can hold on for a long time
.
That's because Travis is a manthat can hold on for a long time
.
That's a long song.
That's a long song.
A lot of baseball thinkingthere, buddy.

Tiffany Mason (37:28):
Not as long as Nora Jones on replay.

Jay Franze (37:32):
No, no, but it's close.
We can all do that, thoughthat's something to work your
way up to.

Tiffany Mason (37:41):
I'll leave that there.

Jay Franze (37:44):
Sabrina says Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin.
I got a whole lotta love thereyou go alright, scott, sex Type
Thing by Stone Temple Pilots.
That's a good song too ooh, youknow what's.

Tiffany Mason (37:56):
Another good one is Black Cherry Crazy Bitch yes,
it's another stripper song youlike the stripper song.

Jay Franze (38:03):
You like the stripper songs, I don't blame
you.
I like the stripper songs too.
That's probably why I likeNickelback.

Tiffany Mason (38:10):
You're going to get naked.

Jay Franze (38:11):
I mean, yeah, if you're going to keep showing us
your beaver, tasha says no one'sgoing to love you.
Okay, is that a song, tasha?
Or one's gonna love you?
Okay, that a song time?
You just tell me this statement.
She says it's by band of horsesgood it's a song.
I thought she just told me noone's ever gonna love me.

(38:31):
I know my wife doesn't, but Ifigured somebody might you got
three kids, she must sometimesyeah, she just used me for my
super sperm.
Is that right?
And your ultra long performance?
When we met, she told me shegoes, I can't get pregnant, jane
, don't worry about a thing.

(38:52):
And then she said I just wantto have one kid.
I said I don't have any.
She said I want to have one.
My sisters agreed to carry it.
Now, not only did I not get tosleep with her sister, my wife
got pregnant on day one, uh-uhwhoa.

(39:19):
And then somehow we settled onthree.
We settled on three, justthrowing that out there too.
And when I say day one, it wasday one of the marriage, not of
the courtship.
The courtship was the long haulto Nora Jones yeah the marriage
was crash into me.
By Dave Matthews, Claire saysthank you.
By Led Zeppelin you're all I'vegot tonight.

(39:40):
By the cars Fallon Blair saysThank you by Led Zeppelin.
You're all I've got tonight.
By the Cars Fallon.
Fallon says You're all I've gottonight.
By the Cars Val says Iris.
By Goo Goo Dolls.
Goo Goo Dolls.
That's a good song that's aband that doesn't get the
respect it deserves.
I like them a lot.
Out of what's it.

(40:01):
They're out of Buffalo, newYork.
Keith Whitley, when you saynothing at all, cody, cody says
give an Alison Krauss a run?

Tiffany Mason (40:14):
huh, I don't think so.
I like Alison Krauss better.

Jay Franze (40:19):
Savannah.
Savannah says I cross my heart.
By George Strait.

Tiffany Mason (40:23):
Oh, that's a good one oh.

Jay Franze (40:24):
Josh, come on.
Josh says breathe by Faith Hill.

Tiffany Mason (40:29):
Oh.

Jay Franze (40:31):
Tiffany says no choke.

Tiffany Mason (40:36):
Oh mercy, oh my gosh, have you ever seen?
There is a video, and it'scalled the Hot Crazy Scale.

Jay Franze (40:44):
Yes.

Tiffany Mason (40:44):
And it.

Jay Franze (40:47):
The hotter you are, the crazier you are, yeah, yeah.

Tiffany Mason (40:53):
If you guys haven't seen it, look it up on
YouTube.
It'll explain a lot.

Jay Franze (40:58):
Mason, is this your husband chiming in Tennessee,
Whiskey Chris Stapleton.

Tiffany Mason (41:04):
Oh damn, that is a baby-making song, oh dear.
God, yes, a little Metallicaand Slow it Down with Chris.

Jay Franze (41:19):
Oh, natalie says Me and you, by Kenny Chesney.

Tiffany Mason (41:23):
It's not ringing a bell.

Jay Franze (41:25):
Luke says Then by Brad Paisley Brad Paisley's wife
is hot.

Tiffany Mason (41:30):
You definitely have a type.
I do have a type, for sure.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Jay Franze (41:36):
Logan Forever and Ever.
Amen.
Randy Travis.

Tiffany Mason (41:40):
I'm gonna love you.
Oh, here's your Dan and ever.
Amen, randy Travis, I'm gonnalove you.

Jay Franze (41:42):
Oh, here's your, Dan and Shay Bailey says Speechless
by Brit Bailey says Speechlessby Dan and Shay.
I'm only good if I talk slowfolks.

Tiffany Mason (41:57):
It's just, your brain is thinking faster than
your mouth can go.

Jay Franze (42:00):
Autumn says she's Everything by Brad Paisley.

Tiffany Mason (42:04):
Oh, that's a nice song.

Jay Franze (42:07):
Do you want to do more or are we done?
I can do more.
There's plenty of them heretonight, when you start talking
about sex, people chime in.
Rex says More Than a Memory byGarth Brooks Ooh.

Tony Scott (42:20):
Luke.

Jay Franze (42:20):
Bryan.
I like Luke Bryan.
I listened to Luke Bryantonight.
Holly says Kiss Tomorrow,goodbye.

Tiffany Mason (42:29):
I don't know that one.

Jay Franze (42:30):
George says there's some good songs on this list.

Tiffany Mason (42:34):
Maybe we should compile a list and post them
after the show for people to seewhat all the results were.

Jay Franze (42:44):
Now you're giving me work.

Tiffany Mason (42:47):
I see how it is.
That's the role of a woman.

Tony Scott (42:52):
Exactly Presley says what hurts the most by Rascal
Flatts.

Tiffany Mason (42:59):
What hurts the most?
I would say anal.
What hurts the most by RascalFlatts?
What hurts the most?
I would say anal, anal.
Brad Williams and Josh Johnsonare on tour in San Antonio.

Jay Franze (43:12):
Brad Williams.

Tiffany Mason (43:13):
Brad Williams Williams brings Growth Spurt
Tour to the Majestic Theater Didhe really name his tour, growth
Spurt.

Jay Franze (43:22):
Sure did Yep, but nonetheless.
Nonetheless, he's a littleperson.
He is a very, very funnycomedian.
He's got a lot of, lot ofreally great skits and stuff.
He's a.
He's a actual comedian.
When I say that, I meansomebody gets on stage and tells
pre-written jokes, doesn't justdo crowd work, so he's very
good at that stuff.

(43:43):
He's very clever.
His comedy is very good.
I've had an opportunity to meethim.
He was an okay guy not the bestbut not the worst, and I said
he was nice to me but he waspretty harsh, taking photos with
some of the fans and stuff.
He didn't really want to bedoing that and I think he.

Tiffany Mason (44:01):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (44:02):
This must happen to him a lot because before he went
out to sign autographs forpeople, he made an announcement
Nobody is allowed to lift him up, so people must try to lift him
all the time like a novelty ora prop or something.

Tiffany Mason (44:16):
That would piss me off.

Jay Franze (44:18):
No one can lift him up.

Tiffany Mason (44:20):
That feels like a fair warning.
I think that'd get pretty old.

Jay Franze (44:24):
I don't know if he should have been the one making
that announcement.
Maybe it should have beensomebody on his team, but when?
He made it it sounded angry,like before I come out there and
meet you people nobody can liftme up.

Tiffany Mason (44:38):
It's weird to say lift me up.
I would say pick me up.
I don't know why lift me up.
I don't know.
I don't know if those were hisexact words, sorry.
Well, I'm gonna need verbatimgoing forward.
Sorry, if you don't knowverbatim, I don't want to hear
it.
Okay, tony hinchcliffe, kill orbe killed.

(44:58):
It is dominating the Netflixcharts.
Have you watched it?

Jay Franze (45:03):
I have not watched Kill or Be Killed, but I do
watch his live podcast, killTony, and I really enjoy that.
He's a funny dude.
I didn't think he would befunny because I found the
podcast first.
Okay, he comes across kind oflike a wise ass and he roasts
people on the show.

Tiffany Mason (45:23):
Uh-huh.

Jay Franze (45:24):
That's the stick of the show.
He brings these unknowncomedians come up on stage and
they do a new minute every week.
So if you get to go on stageyou have to do a fresh new
minute that you wrote just forthat show.
And you come on there and thenhe critiques it, and it's him
and a partner of his called RedBand, and then he brings a

(45:44):
famous comedian or two on thestage and they all sit there and
critique these performers andthey can get harsh and sometimes
they go back and forth at eachother quite a bit and Tony, he's
gay, so a lot of the peoplemake gay jokes to him or you
know, they go back and forth andrip on him for that and he's

(46:07):
always got a cigarette in hishand on stage and stuff.
I mean he's definitely got, uh,an image.
So I was like I don't know ifthat's the image I would want.
Is that nonstop bashing backand forth?
But then I watched one of hisshows.
I was like man, that's actuallyfunny.
He's really really good.
So I mean I'm a big fan of notonly the podcast but his live

(46:28):
performances for sure.

Tiffany Mason (46:35):
You think it's the uh like visual cues that you
get.
That makes it a little bitfunnier when you're watching it
versus listening to it.

Jay Franze (46:39):
No, I think part of it before is before I knew his
talents and what he was capableof doing on stage.
You hear him get on there andstart critiquing people and a
lot of it was very harsh.
So you're like who's?
This guy that I've never heardof being this harsh to people.

Tiffany Mason (46:54):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (46:54):
And then when you realize that's part of the game,
they go up there.
They want Sure, they want that,they want to.

Tiffany Mason (47:00):
They kind of go into it knowing you're like,
okay, yeah, they kind of knewthe rules of the game before
they.

Jay Franze (47:05):
Yeah, and then you see him perform live and you're
like wow, he's actually reallygood.

Tony Scott (47:10):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (47:11):
It was all a pleasant surprise.
Finding his show as a pleasantsurprise and seeing his live
performance was another pleasantsurprise.

Tiffany Mason (47:19):
I know we've talked about it before.
I'm going to go check it out.
I wrote it down so I won'tforget.
Yeah, I wrote it down.
Everybody else write it down.
Go check him out, let us know,kill Tony.

Jay Franze (47:29):
Kill Tony If you're in Austin, texas, go by Joe
Rogan's Mothership and see himfilm it live and if you feel
froggy, get up on stage, putyour name in the hat, and that's
what they do they?
Literally put your name in ahat and he picks the name on
stage and if you get called,you're going up there for a
fresh minute.
Your fresh minute better begood Yikes.

Tiffany Mason (47:52):
I'm telling your fresh minute better be good
Yikes.

Jay Franze (47:55):
I'm telling you, it can be harsh.
Nothing a comedian wants morethan to be judged on their first
60 seconds when they hit astage.

Tiffany Mason (48:05):
Well, I'll tell you, somebody who is getting
reviews as being kind of funnyis President Trump.

Jay Franze (48:11):
So Sarah Silverman thinks that he may have his next
career in comedy if she thinkstrump is funny and has comedic
timing and so forth, which iswhat she was saying.
I think that's pretty goodbecause she's a pretty
left-leaning individual comedianand for her to recognize, even

(48:35):
if it's not a politicalstatement, even recognizing
trump for comedic timing isstill a positive thing yeah,
well, I mean you hear him hereon the show.

Tiffany Mason (48:45):
I mean he's got pretty good comedic timing where
he says, tiffany, you're fired,that's.

Jay Franze (48:53):
AI.

Tiffany Mason (48:53):
Trump, ai Trump, ai Trump does it for us.
That's right, that's right.

Jay Franze (48:58):
And Trump.
If you're out there, we'rehappy to have you on the show.
You can defend or say thank youeither way, whichever works for
you.

Tiffany Mason (49:06):
Yeah, I think we started the year with him coming
into office, the inauguration,and Carrie Underwood saying you
know, the world, or whateverwants to have like this, you
know unity moment, where, like,more people are accepting of
each other, and I think thatthat's pretty cool that the left
is willing to say like, hey, wemay not agree with his policies

(49:27):
, but he's kind of a funny dudeor he's not so bad to hang out
with.
You know?
Cause we heard the same thingfrom Mr Bill last week.
So, come on, Bill Marr Marr.
Now you sound like me, bill Marr.

Jay Franze (49:45):
Yes, Not Bill Mayer.
I think I got it.

Tiffany Mason (49:51):
I think I got it.
I think I got it now, billMaher Bill.
Maher sure yep, if you don'tknow what we're talking about
episode released today.
You just go listen to it againwe jacked up his name pretty bad
last week pretty bad, and weknow what it is yeah, yeah, it
wasn't like a sounded out kindof thing, it wasn't.
No, there's really no excuse.

Jay Franze (50:14):
Bill jfrenzycom slash live, Get on here.

Tony Scott (50:16):
We'll apologize to your face or Tiffany will,
because, to be fair, I knew itwas Bill Maher.

Tiffany Mason (50:26):
I did butch it.
I did butch it Pretty bad,pretty bad.

Jay Franze (50:29):
Yeah, Trump will tell you too.
He fired her over it.

Tiffany Mason (50:36):
Okay, bad, pretty bad.
Yeah, trump will tell you too.
He fired her over it.
Okay.
And last but not least, we gotchelsea handler.
She's announcing uh, abroad,abroad.
So if you're thinking aboutlike abroad, like a chick going
abroad, like abroad, the theworld, across the world, across
the pond, abroad, abroad.
She is releasing her tour dates, so that's going to be in May

(50:57):
and she's promising candid humorand personal stories.

Jay Franze (51:00):
Nice.
I will say that the name ofthese tours are spot on.
They're definitely clever andthey're spot on.
I like it.
I would say that fits herperfectly.
Agreed, I like Chelsea Handler.
I think she's funny.

Tiffany Mason (51:12):
She is.

Jay Franze (51:13):
I think she can go over the top sometimes.
She's a little too much for mesometimes, but I do like her a
lot.
She's been on Kill Tony.

Tiffany Mason (51:21):
Oh, okay.

Jay Franze (51:22):
You can go check out her episode.

Tiffany Mason (51:23):
I mean, she gets on there a couple times and
she's pretty aggressive too andshe has no problem letting these
newbies know that their comedywas not good.
Oh, she probably loves it.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, it probably feels good tohand it to someone, like they
got handed it to them when theywere starting out, you know.

Jay Franze (51:42):
The difference is when they were starting out,
that there wasn't social mediaor anything else on them.

Tiffany Mason (51:47):
Ugh, that's true.

Jay Franze (51:48):
Cameras on them all the time.

Tiffany Mason (51:50):
That's true.

Jay Franze (51:51):
But hey, that's true .
But hey, it's true.
You know what you're signing upfor, my friend.

Tiffany Mason (51:55):
That's right.
We watch all the you knowridiculousness and impractical
jokers and all that kind ofstuff.

Jay Franze (52:04):
Yeah we do too, my wife's constant.
She makes fun of me forwatching that type of stuff, but
I like it.
I think that stuff's hilarious.

Tiffany Mason (52:13):
I really like impractical jokers with somebody
else in the room.
But ridiculousness.
I can sit in the room all bymyself and laugh so hard, just
tears coming down my facesometimes.
I'll rewind it, watch it,rewind it, watch it.
That drives sean crazy the onlytime I even get to watch it
anymore is if we go to like ahotel where channels just got it
on yeah repeat, or whatever yougotta get one of your girls on

(52:36):
board with you and then you'regonna be like I don't know, it's
like our thing, that's whatwe're doing, and then she can't
your wife can't shut down okay,get lucy in on it, that girl
that's the 10 year old folks,the 10 year old the middle of
the three children.

Jay Franze (52:50):
She, she is brutal.
I mean she's the one who willcome right to your face and lie
to you.

Tiffany Mason (52:56):
I mean I didn't do that?

Jay Franze (52:58):
What are you talking about?
I don't know how the peanutbutter got on the ceiling, who
knows?
I don't even like peanut butter, but yeah, she's that one for
sure.

Tiffany Mason (53:11):
So she would love this.
That's who I was as a kid.
She's my spirit animal.

Jay Franze (53:14):
She's the one I sit down with.
We watch Mr Beast all the time.

Tiffany Mason (53:18):
Oh yeah.

Jay Franze (53:18):
She's a big Mr Beast fan Fun.
So there you go, Jimmy.
If you want to come on the showand talk to us, I'll get my
daughter down here.
You can say hello.

Tiffany Mason (53:26):
Oh my gosh, that would be fun.

Jay Franze (53:30):
Well, hey, while we're talking about
recommendations and stuff, Iwant to tell you about this idea
.

Tiffany Mason (53:35):
Were we talking about recommendations?

Jay Franze (53:36):
We were you were talking about the different
things we like right, weren't weOkay.
We mentioned a few things,recommended some stuff tonight.

Tony Scott (53:46):
Tiffany, you're fired.

Jay Franze (53:50):
I'm sorry that my segues are not as good as yours.

Tiffany Mason (53:56):
Well, we're talking about recommendations.

Jay Franze (53:58):
I don't know Sorry, I want to bring up
recommendations.

Tiffany Mason (54:02):
I want you to bring up recommendations.

Jay Franze (54:04):
George buddy, help me out.
I would say, get a gag.
But now I want to say somethingelse.
Let's keep it from going leftlet's recommendations I bring up
the word recommendationsbecause I want to start this
thing.
You do not know half of themusic I tell you.
Okay, you don't know threequarters of the music I tell you

(54:24):
about it's more accurate.
So I would like to see eachepisode bring up an artist or a
song that you might not befamiliar with Okay, and then see
what you think of it.
Introduce you to the dark sideof the world.

Tiffany Mason (54:40):
Yes, and I'm liking it actually.
Then you can bring something upand try to get me over to the
swifty side of the world.
You guys pray for me.

Jay Franze (54:55):
I don't know if this is going to go well, you know,
know, it's funny to me workingin country music for so long.

Tiffany Mason (54:57):
you think that and I love country music.

Jay Franze (54:59):
I listen to either hard rock or hard country.
I like the hard rock and youknow side of both of those wait.

Tiffany Mason (55:06):
Can I ask you a question?
Yeah, ask me a question okay, Ihave to guess that you like
country music out of Texas morethan out of Nashville, because
Texas has like more punch to itthan some of the softer stuff.
Maybe that comes out ofNashville.
Is that true though?

Jay Franze (55:23):
I think you're on to something.
I think Texas has the ZZ Topstyle of music, that style of
rock and blues style of musicwhich is a little looser than
the Nashville style of music,that that style of rock and
blues style music which is alittle looser than the nashville
style of music I like thenashville style of music.
I like working in the nashvillestyle of music, I like the
perfectionism of being innashville and with those amazing

(55:45):
players that do amazing things.
But when I produce my ownrecords, when I get to do
something of my own, I reallyprefer rock records.
So it's weird.
I like rock and music, whetherit be rock and country, like a
Jason Aldean or something likethat.

Tony Scott (56:06):
I like the harder edge stuff.

Tiffany Mason (56:09):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (56:09):
So rock or country, I like the harder edge stuff,
but I listen to it all.
I mean, I'm a fan of everything.
I like Martina McBride a lot,you know I like her voice is
amazing, so it doesn't have tobe hard rock.
When we think of a song and Iwould like to probably consider
this when we're talking aboutour recommendations To me a song
is made up of three factorsrecommendations To me, a song is

(56:30):
made up of three factors One isthe song itself, two is the
performance of the song and thenthree would be the production
of the song.
Those are the things that Ilisten to when I listen to a
song, and if a song has morethan one of those things, to me

(56:51):
that makes it it even better.
So when you hit a song that hasall three of those things, then
it's amazing to me.
So when you get a reallytalented singer or, you know,
even like last week we playedtwisted young band right, young
band.
But the song was a good qualitysong, it was performed

(57:11):
extremely well and theproduction was a good quality
song.
It was performed extremely wellin their production was a very
good production.

Tiffany Mason (57:16):
Agreed.

Jay Franze (57:17):
It had all three things for such a young, young
band.
So I like that.
But you know, I think of thingslike that when I think of
Hailstorm.
You know Hailstorm recordedwith Jay Joyce.
He produced one of theirrecords in Nashville.
He's a more alternativeproducer in Nashville.
He's not your typical BobBullock or Dan Huff.

(57:38):
Jay Joyce experiments and triesdifferent things and his
engineer is a little bitdifferent as well Jason Hall.
Jason Hall was Bob Bullock'sengineer.
I replaced Jason, went to workfor Bob and Jason went over to
work for Jay Joyce and he's alittle bit more experimental as
well.
It was a good match for the twoof them, where I'm more of a

(58:01):
perfectionist, even though Imight like the style of music
that Jay Joyce produces.

Tiffany Mason (58:06):
Right.

Jay Franze (58:06):
I'm a better fit to work with Bob Bullock, yeah,
anyways, I think that when youget all three of the things
together, like Lizzie Hillworking with Jay Joyce and
writing amazing music, so Ithink that's a trifecta, I think
that's what makes it for me.

Tiffany Mason (58:22):
Yeah, are you recommending a song?

Jay Franze (58:25):
You know what?
I would like to recommend?
A song.
Let's see, I'll tell you what.
Let's start off with CirceCirce Like a Drum.
Kick it off with Circe Like aDrum.
S-i-r-s-y For those who want toplay along.
The song is Like a Drum.

(58:46):
It used to be the theme song tothe show.

Tiffany Mason (58:51):
Until YouTube got crazy.

Jay Franze (58:52):
Before YouTube got angry.
But Circe band out of New York,upstate New York, very good,
it's a duo.
We've mentioned them in thepast.
Melanie Kramer she sings, playsdrums, plays flute, plays bass
on trigger pads.
I mean, she's very, very good.
And Rich Labouti he's a guitarplayer.
He also plays bass.

(59:13):
He plays bass pedals.
He even plays guitar withdrumsticks at times.
I mean, they're a very, verytalented and talented band out
of upstate New York.
They travel all around thecountry all the time.
If you have an opportunity tosee them, george, they're going
to be in your neck of the woodsin the upcoming month if you
want to check them out.
But yes, go on youtube, watchtheir video, take it all in like

(59:36):
a drum.
We'll discuss it next week.
And then, miss tiffany, if youhave a song you'd like to
recommend to me, have that readyfor next week and we'll do that
okay, okay, I'll I'll dig deepand decide what I'm going to
expose you to.
Dig deep and expose me.
Yikes George, says he's beenfollowing them so good.

(59:58):
Thank you, george.
He's definitely a band worthfollowing.
All right, what else you gotgoing on?

Tiffany Mason (01:00:08):
Well, I thought I would ask what did you do for
Easter?
How was your Easter?
Did you have a good Easter?

Jay Franze (01:00:15):
You know what?
Easter wasn't bad.
We didn't do much outside ofthe family.
As a family.
We ate dinner, but before weate our dinner I took Bella and
Lucy.
We went to church our communitychurch and we got to see the
mass and do all the the churchlike things.
Lucy enjoyed it.

(01:00:36):
I mean to whatever it's worth.
She's 10 years old but bellabeing a little older, at 15
years old, she took it a littlebit more serious and she's got
some health struggles going onright now.
So she felt good being there insinging along with the church
choir relieved some of hersymptoms Not relieve them as in
medically relieve them.

(01:00:57):
It just took her mind off ofthem and allowed her not to go
through them for a little bit.
So we found out that singingand participating in music is it
distracts her brain from hersymptoms.
So it was a good day at thechurch.
Then afterwards we came home.
We ate a lunchtime-ish meal.

(01:01:17):
My wife made the traditionalham and a whole load of sides no
, no green eggs.
So we had all that stuff.
And then because we have athree-year-old daughter as well.
We got to put the Easter eggsout in the yard and all three of
them ran around.
Bella, 15, helped Valen thethree-year-old find the eggs

(01:01:41):
because Lucy the 10-year-old wasrunning around like a light and
she didn't care that Valen'sonly three.
She's like I'm finding the damneggs.
She was on a mission.
There was two things in therethat she wanted that I was
unaware of.
I love this kid the kid was nomercy, I will tell you.
I mean she's running over thethree-year-old.

Tony Scott (01:02:01):
But, I found out.

Jay Franze (01:02:02):
my wife had some of those plastic eggs where you put
stuff inside of them, so notjust candy inside of them.
She put little messages insideof some of them.
And one of them was you couldskip a day of school.

Tiffany Mason (01:02:15):
Oh so.

Jay Franze (01:02:17):
Lucy's like I'm getting that thing.
And then another one was youcan get Snapchat.
Now Bella has Snapchat, so shedoesn't care, but Lucy got it
taken away from her.

Tiffany Mason (01:02:30):
Oh, so she wanted that back.

Jay Franze (01:02:32):
She wanted it back bad.
So, those two things put her ona mission and let me tell you
there was no mercy to the pointwhere Bella had to work with a
three-year-old and somehow theyended up with an equal amount in
each basket, but it was.

Tiffany Mason (01:02:48):
Well, there's a way to avoid that.
Next year you do colored eggs,like each child has one color.
Oh, look at you, you're fancy.
Yeah, I saw an interesting onewhere a dad had like all these
eggs taped to his shirt and thenit was kind of like tag, like
the kids had to run up and likepull an egg off the dad's shirt.

(01:03:09):
So you know, there's othervariations you could try next
year.
I have a picture of a kidcoming up to than dad's shirt.
So you know, there's othervariations you could try next
year, whatever, sure so that'swhat we did.

Jay Franze (01:03:19):
What did you do?

Tiffany Mason (01:03:20):
well, we had a good day.
We I have started helping withproduction at church, so that
was kind of fun.
I got to see lincoln thedrummer again and just seriously
so impressed just with the, theforce that they have to hit the
drums with.
I guess I just it did not dawnon me, so that was fun.
It was fun to watch him um stopthe cymbal from, you know,
vibrating to, from making sound.

(01:03:41):
Yeah, that was cool again, justwatching him keep beat while he
was um, you know, while thesong would be slow, he'd be
sitting back there like, andthen I was like, oh, I bet they
have like a click going on, youknow, I felt so much more
educated and so it was coolwatching all those guys.
And then um went home and weactually took the boat out,

(01:04:05):
which was so nice.
We don't have a boat but webelong to a boat membership so
we took the neighbors out.
It was a good time, took them along time before they found us.
It's kind of like that, youknow, we don't have to worry
about storage or insurance oranything.
We just pick it up, go have fun, bring it back and drop it off
and bye.
We don't have to rinse it down,we don't have to do any of that

(01:04:27):
.
It's awesome.
So that was really fun.
Hannah had two of her friendscome out.
They all proceeded to getburned.
I, I, my sister, was like this,I was not like this.
But hannah, she checks the uvand she's like oh god, like what
?
You want to get burnt?
I don't understand it.
But anyway, they were all veryexcited.

(01:04:48):
There was an awesome spot wherethere's like a sandbar, you
know, so we could dock at it andit was super, super fun.
And then we proceeded to comehome and that was it.
Oh, I know what I wanted totell you.
So the night before Easter, youknow, we moved in December and
then my husband likes to playthis fun game.

(01:05:08):
Best time of the year, he likesto play a fun game called I'm
just gonna put it there until Ireorganize it, and then he never
reorganizes it.
So all the stuff that I want isburied.
So and I tell him, you knowlike, hey, don't bury the stuff,
because then when I want it,you know you won't get it out.
Then he gets real pissy andhe's like this is just just a

(01:05:29):
spot, you know, just for now.
But then it never gets changed.
So if he would just listen tomy actual words where I say to
him hey, if you just put thestuff in the front, I'll get it
down, I'll put the stuff out ondisplay, I'll put it back and
you don't have to do anything.
But I guess he likes fightingwith me I'm not really sure or

(01:05:51):
he likes hearing me complain.
So he leaves it, you know,buried.
So the night before easter I waslike, oh gosh, the basket is
buried behind all the christmasstuff for when we moved.
And then he was like he wasjoking and he was not being like
rude or argumentative oranything.
But now you tell me, and I waslike I know I should have said
something way earlier.

(01:06:11):
So I was thinking the nextmorning the alarm clock goes off
and I'm like it's easter.
I'm like what am I gonna do?
We have this huge stainlesssteel bowl we never do anything
with, so we shoved all of ourstuff in there.
So she got an easter bowl foreaster and I guess I'm just
chalking it up to like third kid, right, I'm like that sounds
like something I would do and Iguess I'm just chalking it up to
like third kid right.

(01:06:32):
That sounds like something Iwould do, like third kid,
whatever Bull it is.

Jay Franze (01:06:36):
I think your husband and my wife are the same person
.

Tiffany Mason (01:06:40):
That's probably why we're married to them.

Jay Franze (01:06:43):
That's why we're on here.

Tiffany Mason (01:06:45):
Right Having a good old time.

Jay Franze (01:06:46):
Making as many lefts as we can make.

Tiffany Mason (01:06:50):
Because they keep us right.
I don't know Whatever.
Well, I will tell you, what I'msuper excited for is Saturday
night, roscalusa, right here inmy hometown, I'm going to take
my golf cart over, I'm going topick my friend up.

Jay Franze (01:07:07):
We're going to go over.
I'm going to take my golf cartover.
I know you say that, like weall, have one go over.
I'm going to take my golf cartover.
I know you say that, like weall have one.

Tiffany Mason (01:07:14):
I know I'm going to take my golf cart over to the
show.
We live in the coolest, coolestplace.
Take the boat out.

Jay Franze (01:07:20):
Well, I'm going to take the boat out and take the
golf cart over to the show.

Tiffany Mason (01:07:25):
We live in something called I guess it's
called a planned community and Ihad never heard of this concept
before.
But we have, like, theseamazing water parks that will
like put any like.
We used to, um, go to wisconsinto the great wolf lodge and
that was, like you know, such atreat.
This water park puts that toshame.
We have golf cart pathseverywhere.

(01:07:46):
Everybody picks their kids upon golf carts.
We take the golf cart to thegrocery store.
We take the golf cart allaround town all the time.
It's like, seriously, thecoolest thing.

Jay Franze (01:07:55):
Now, to be fair, I'm assuming you did not have the
golf cart until you moved tothis community.

Tiffany Mason (01:08:01):
Correct, correct.
It was actually the coolestthing that my husband did for us
when we moved down here.
We drove down obviously, ourstuff, but we had pods meet us
here or whatever.
When we got here, our stuffwasn't here yet.
So this was actually, I think,the first house that we all got
to move into together, becausenormally sean goes ahead of us,
but this was somehow.

(01:08:22):
This was different.
He was there with us, I don'tknow anyways.
So the garage door opens andthere's a golf cart with like a
big bow on it for us and we'relike, oh my god, this is so cool
because when we were gettingready to move down, sean was
like, yeah, when we get down,but he could tell that preston
and I were gonna butt heads hardon the color.
Preston was set on orange and Idid not want an orange golf cart

(01:08:43):
yeah I don't think sean wantedto be stuck in the middle of it,
so he just got one before wegot down here and they delivered
it, put it in the garage andthen, when we got here, like the
garage door comes up andthere's a golf cart.
We're like, no freaking way.
Yeah, so we're gonna take thegolf cart over, I'm gonna pick
my friend up and we're gonna goto rosca lusa, which is
nashville.
Song writers come down, theyperform their songs, they tell

(01:09:04):
how they were written, and youknow, I went the first year and
it wasn't what I was expecting.
I wanted to hear the songs fromthe songwriters, but it's kind
of a drunk fest too.
So I was like, okay, thatwasn't very fun.
So then the next time I went, Iwent with my really good friend
and I was like, okay, this timeis going to be awesome.

(01:09:24):
No, she just wanted to getdrunk too.
So this year, when I invited myfriend, I was like, listen, I
can go by myself or you can comewith me.
But I was like the name of thegame is shut up and listen I was
like I am not going to gettrashed and I want to actually
hear these songs.
I want to hear they were 16,their first boyfriend broke up

(01:09:45):
with them, whatever.
I want to hear that story.
I want to hear their dad diedand this is a song that they
created to help cope with theloss of their parent.
You know like I just want tohear those dad died and this is
a song that they created to helpcope with the loss of their
parent.
You know like I just want tohear those songs where these
songs originated, because it's Ireally care about it.
But I do kind of almost want tobring a notebook with me and I
just want to like write thestories down.
I want to remember.
So when I hear the song, I Idon't know, I think I probably

(01:10:09):
have too high of expectations,but I'm very excited about it.
And I think I probably have toohigh of expectations, but I'm
very excited about it, and myfriend is very she's the right
person to go with, so I'm veryexcited.
I hope it's as good as I thinkit's going to be.

Jay Franze (01:10:20):
That's this Saturday .

Tiffany Mason (01:10:22):
That's this Saturday.

Jay Franze (01:10:27):
That would explain why my wife says, no, you cannot
go, and we all know that she isthe boss in the family.

Tiffany Mason (01:10:34):
However, but in all fairness, it was because she
can't split herself.
She needs you to be a parentthis weekend.

Jay Franze (01:10:39):
That's what I'm saying Lucy, the 10-year-old
that we've already established,might lie to you about peanut
butter on her ceiling orsomething that did not happen,
but that is something that shewould do.
However, the whole point is sheis a competitive dancer and she
has got competition Thursday,Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

(01:11:00):
This week Going to be a goodtime.

Tiffany Mason (01:11:06):
Which is so funny , because if it was me, I'd be
like this is going to be awesome.
I get to watch dance for fourwhole days, like I would be all
there for it.
I'll tell you I is going to beawesome.
I get to watch dance for fourwhole days, like I would be all
there for it.

Jay Franze (01:11:15):
I'll tell you, I'll lose my man card.
I'll tell you right now whenshe goes on stage, I'll cry.

Tiffany Mason (01:11:20):
Aw.

Jay Franze (01:11:20):
But she is awesome, she is super talented.
For a 10-year-old, I mean, sheis super talented.

Tiffany Mason (01:11:28):
Yeah.

Jay Franze (01:11:29):
Naturally gifted at it.

Tiffany Mason (01:11:31):
She gets that from your wife.

Jay Franze (01:11:33):
No, my wife is not graceful at all.
Oh, I don't know where she getsit, probably from me.
I'm extremely graceful.
I last forever yeah.
I have all the good traits.

Tiffany Mason (01:11:46):
Right, I possess them all.

Jay Franze (01:11:49):
That's why this is an audio show.
What is Bella doing thisweekend?
Weekend?
That's a good question.
Thank you for asking.
Bella has two things.
She will go to the dancecompetition.
She will support her sister,because for one, that's just
what she does.
She was very upset becausesaturday she might not get to go
support the sister.

(01:12:09):
She will I'll her there but it'sgoing to be a race.
But she's very supportive ofher sister.
She teaches at the dance school.
She just doesn't compete withthe dance team.
She doesn't want to be acompetitor.
She chooses to teach at theschool versus compete.
She's very good at teaching.
She likes doing that.
But Saturday her school isdoing this thing for the

(01:12:31):
community where they set upbooths and give people tours
around or do whatever they do.
But my daughter's setting up aface painting station.
She's a face painter.
She has her own business.

Tony Scott (01:12:45):
Oh.

Jay Franze (01:12:45):
I mean 15 years old.
She's got her own businessdoing face painting and stuff
and she's going to go do this.
So she's very excited about it.
So that's Saturday, as soon asthat face painting and stuff,
and she's going to go do this,so she's very excited about it.
So that's Saturday, as soon asthat face painting is over,
we're going to get in my car anddrive like a rocket to see the
other one compete.

Tiffany Mason (01:13:00):
Nice.

Jay Franze (01:13:01):
So there you go Something for everyone.
And then the three-year-oldwill be just running around like
a little tornado drivingeverybody crazy.
All right folks?
Well, like I said, we havereached the bottom of the hour,
which does mean we have reachedthe end of the show.
If you have found any value intonight's show, please tell a
friend, Miss Tiffany, if youhave not Tell two.
Tell two, tell three, tell asmany as you want.

Tiffany Mason (01:13:24):
Let's get some people in, tell them all about
it.
Tell them all about it.

Jay Franze (01:13:26):
They'll have to come see ourselves.
That's right.
You can also reach out to usover at jfrenzycom.
We will be happy to talk to you.
Keep conversations going.
Talk to you about somethingelse whatever you would like,
but we will do that and we willalso spend time on our socials
getting to know each and everyone of you that would like to
leave us a comment or talk to us.
Miss tiffany, my friend, do youhave any final words for us?

Tiffany Mason (01:13:52):
Yes, I want everybody to remember that every
track you love was once just anidea.
Don't be afraid to chase yours.

Jay Franze (01:14:01):
Nice Look at you.
I like the wisdom, I like it.

Tiffany Mason (01:14:05):
I'm full of it.

Jay Franze (01:14:06):
You are full of it for sure.
Surprise my eyes aren't brown,all right, folks On that note,
have a good night thanks forlistening to The Jay Franzi show
.

Tony Scott (01:14:19):
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