Isaiah Burden

Isaiah Burden is a youth volunteer at Pleasent Valley Community Church and a godly friend and influence to many. In this interview we discus his testimony, his work and involvement with the youth, God's mercy, and more.

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This episode was recorded on June 10, 2025.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
OK, I'm here today with Isaiah Burden, who's a good friend of
mine. So Isaiah, if you just want to
introduce yourself and then tellus how things are going in your
world, my name is Isaiah Burden,good friend Gunner.
These are good right now, and they are.
It's a bit of a crazy period of life.

(00:22):
Just got married two months ago.So that's been awesome and
super, super blessed, you know, be with my wife every day now
and just exploring and navigating what it means to be
married, what it means to be with person you care about the
most every day. And you know how you can just

(00:44):
use that relationship to glorifyGod.
So obviously such big ways and we're still learning.
And then also just lots of, you know, fun over the summer, you
know, fun summer things, new jobs picked up and awesome
things at the church and things of that nature.
And also, you know, but not without it stresses this summer.

(01:06):
You know, definitely some also some other jobs that didn't
happen that you know, are unfortunate.
And then, you know, stresses andconcerns about the future with
the wife, you know, as far as just like careers and, you know,
financial stability and things like that.
But still been a good season. Definitely grateful one how many

(01:30):
blessings I received. But yeah, great.
What do you do for work? Right now I worked back at
Menards actually, so work in theOPD apartment order pickup and
delivery. So just help people like you
know the place to order. We go pick it for them because
then, you know, they come to thestore.

(01:51):
Yeah, it's like they don't want to go get it themselves.
So you get it for them and then you help them load it up.
So like some of the stuff like, you know, it ranges from
literally anything could be likea, you know, set of door knobs
that you go and pick up and justput on the shelf back there.
Or you know, some people buy actual doors in my cabinets.
And then you got a bunch of heavy stuff and tiles and stuff
you're loading out there with like forklifts and stuff like

(02:12):
that. So started that back about like
2 weeks ago now and it's good, It's rewarding work.
It's fun to be back. A lot of the people there, I
worked there last year for a couple years up to that point
and it's going to be back there.And you know, enjoy being with
those people. And technically I'm also still
enrolled or employed, I should say, at the at Foust Elementary

(02:36):
School, which is part of Orangeville Public Schools.
And I haven't necessarily made afull decision on who I'm going
to be going back, but technically I am as of now.
So we'll see how that goes, but that's just kind of odd, you
know, God's plan and then guess we want to call it a job.
I'm also helping out, you know, the church.

(02:57):
Dan Fuller, 5 hours a week. So that's been fun.
We're really thankful for that because it's like just an
awesome opportunity to like stepin the youth ministry more and
like just kind of learn more about that and also just take up
some more responsibility and something that I care about, you
know, to like, and then again tolearn, grow my skills in that

(03:18):
area and just, you know, also just have fun and be there for
the youth so. Yeah, and I don't go to the
youth group anymore, but. And we're so sad for it.
But whenever I do go there, pickup early or something, you're
always there hanging out with the kids, just making
connections. What about youth ministry do you

(03:44):
enjoy? I think that it just feels like
a bunch of friends, you know, like, I mean, I'm only 22 and
when I started youth ministry, Iwas probably like 20.
So even then at that point, closer in age, especially to
the, you know, high schoolers. So I think it just always felt
like I could fit in and connect to these, you know, students

(04:08):
pretty pretty easily because, you know, we're pretty close in
age. We tend to kind of like the same
things. You know, sports, you're still a
big thing and I love sports. So, you know, it's just like the
amount of kids out there that I can.
You know, every every week I show up and they know I'm a OK C
founder fan. They're playing in the finals
and the playoffs have been goingon.
So every week I show up and it'sa new round of the playoffs and
they're like timber rules in seven and then we're like, you

(04:30):
know, Nuggets in seven and now they're saying Pacers in seven
and I'm just, you know, like holding up the LS on to them
and, you know, going back and forth.
So but it just feels like a bunch of friends, even though,
you know, some of them are middle school and stuff as well,
but there's, you know, a bunch of goofballs, bunch of good
kids. And it's been fun to get to know
them. And they just make every week

(04:50):
better. You know, they're like different
personalities and their excitement to be there and also
as well, you know, trying to help them know God.
So I love that. Absolutely.
Well, I mean, I like I said, I'mnot around there as much, but
you've been a good godly influence on me and I'm sure you
are on them as well. And but yeah, I mean, that's how

(05:13):
I feel. I bet the kids that I minister
to sit there in 4th and 5th grade.
So I guess. In. 4th and 5th grader are yeah,
I enjoy. I go doing childcare, I mean
because right now I'm doing like30 hours a week at my job, which
is not a lot for a week, but then I'm also doing.

(05:37):
How long is VBS? 3 hours.
Yeah three hours. I mean minimum day.
You probably there a little bit longer.
Yeah, but I enjoy doing it. Yeah, I like it.
I like VBS, look forward to it. I didn't think I'd be able to do
it. This is actually kind of funny
because I did sign up to do it and I just assumed it would be
like during the day and not in the evening how it is.

(06:01):
And, and then I got a job. And so last week I text the
valley kids on it and I said, hey, I can't do it because I
have a job. And no one ever responded.
And and then I got an e-mail on Saturday saying like, do all
this information about yeah, VBS.
Like they think I'm still doing VBS.

(06:22):
And, and then I looked at the e-mail again and the time was
like 5 to 4. I get off at 5.
And so I asked my boss if I could like, go from 4:50 to 9:00
to 4:00 for this week. Get off at 4:00.
And then then make it there. Make it to VBS they said I could

(06:43):
so worked out. There you go.
Yeah, of course, man. Sometimes, yeah.
I mean, God, friends, they just going to make away.
And it's like, it's never fun, like asking a boss to like, you
know, for any sort of leniency, you know, even though it's
important. But typically I think, yeah,
like, I've always found that if,you know, you do a good job

(07:03):
wherever you work and, you know,you're friendly, you're like,
most bosses are typically willing to work with you on
stuff like that. So that's awesome though.
So what? How did you get into?
Youth ministry. So I actually through my wife
mostly, which at the time we weren't married, we were

(07:26):
actually only dating, started dating in 2021, then that next
year, so 2022 closing in on March.
So it's like February. She had been serving the youth
up to that point. So she would go on Wednesday
nights. And I knew that, but I was like

(07:47):
so pretty new in my face, like I'd just been saved a couple
months prior and I kind of had the opinion of the time or I
said that I didn't really like kids.
And I think that wasn't true. And I think probably deep down I
knew that. I just maybe said it that way
because it was easier to like excuse myself from doing

(08:10):
anything with students or kids, right?
If you kind of do not like them.I guess maybe that was my
thought then, but previous past year student ministry, John
Williams texted me and Allie andhe he's always had a good
relationship with Allie up to that point.
And still they texted both of ussay, Hey, can you help out with

(08:32):
the weekend? And I was like, what's this
weekend? It's just you know what, it's
just a weekend, right? Like what's going on this
weekend? He's like, no, the weekend.
And I was like, well, what is that?
You know, and he's like WKND, you know, and you, you know,
like, oh Isaiah, this is only the best like weekend in the
entire year. It goes on to explain that, you

(08:56):
know, like the just two 2 1/2 day event, you know, for kids to
just have a bunch of fun together to host home and, you
know, learn to God, learn about God and connect with each other
and grow a relationship with him.
And so he asked for our help. And I was like, I don't know
about it. Like, because at that point I

(09:17):
had never served in the youth atall.
I hadn't served with kids like it all, really my whole life.
So that seemed like a big step, going from like, no experience
to, like, serving overnight withstudents.
Yeah, especially middle school boys.
Pretty crazy. So.
But, you know, said yes because,you know, John was really

(09:38):
awesome to me. And, you know, I was like, yeah,
I can try it out. And you know, Allie was going to
do it as well. So I ended up serving that
weekend with actually, Dan Fuller was the person I helped
the first night he was with me, but he was only taking the place
of Daniel Burke because that first night Daniel Burke had
food poisoning and so he couldn't make it within the next

(10:00):
night, he filled back in and it was a lot of fun.
And then so after that, basically I was just like, hey
John, that was fun. I guess I'll be here this
Wednesday. We'll see how it goes.
And then this happened and look back to it's only gotten better,
only wanted to serve more and more.
So that's awesome. And, and you're talking about

(10:20):
you were working at an elementary school and you're
thinking about doing that again or you, you're just thinking
about doing that. No, correct.
Yeah, first one. So last school year, so
2024-2025 school year, I worked first time in my life in a
school or any with kids, like asan actual job, even in general.

(10:42):
We're at Foust Elementary, whichis a elementary school, part of
Winterwood Public Schools. And yeah, I was just seeking
something, something different. I left Menards, you know, just
seeking an opportunity to maybe kick start a career.
I knew I wasn't going to find mycareer.

(11:03):
Maybe not necessarily not there,but like not in that specific
position I took, right. But I was just like, you know,
I, I got to try something different.
Let's see how this goes, see if I like working with kids in this
capacity. So went there and yeah, it was
definitely fun. Tumultuous year.

(11:24):
I work with kids who never know how to explain it super well,
but they typically just, they have a harder time, I guess more
so than the average kid, whetherit's, you know, just struggling
with, you know, their work a little bit more and need a
little bit more assistance on that.

(11:44):
And then also, you know, ranges to kids who can get hands on and
use lots of words that you don'twant other kids hearing.
So some of those kids are self-contained in a different
classroom and I typically assisted with them a lot and
it's fine. It was challenging and it's, you

(12:05):
know, cool as a Christian to like, know that God loves these
kids despite their flaws and their, you know, their
difficulties. And it's tough to remember that
sometimes because sometimes, youknow, you just wanted to give up
and you know, you know, the kid seems to not care about you at
all and how they're affecting you or anybody else.
And so it's tough. But it's also, you know,

(12:26):
especially in hindsight, really cool to look back on and just
like, cool, God still loves them.
And if he loves them, I love them.
So yeah, that's what I did last year and considering it this
year, just, you know, talking, talking it through with Ally.
So I'm seeing seeing where I'm. At with that, yeah.
And I've had a couple of teachers on the show before, a

(12:48):
couple of other teachers. And both times we talked about
how the Christian educator couldshare the love of Jesus in a
public school environment. And so I talked to Chris Crop
and we talked about high school and I talked to Paul Roberts.

(13:10):
That episode was supposed to be post yesterday and we still
haven't done it. And we talked about middle
school. So how is how do you think
elementary school would be different?
OK wait cause those kids are like way younger and then their
parents are more involved? Yeah, I think elementary school
in a weird way though can be maybe more advantageous to

(13:33):
sharing the gospel or, you know,just sneaking little tidbits of
Jesus in there. But you know, because you a lot
of kids at that age are still pretty open minded.
And so they'll kind of just mention things in their own.
Like I had a couple of kids lastyear who just would bring up
Jesus and, you know, some of them truly do go to church and

(13:54):
some which is awesome. And so they just kind of
mentioned Jesus and then other kids would just, you know, you
mention Jesus or something aboutGod and then boom, like I can
kind of step into that and, you know, maybe say something a
thing or 2. And so I think it's in a weird
way even they're a lot younger. So like maybe they're, you know,

(14:14):
they're not going to understand as much.
You can kind of maybe have that opportunity to have those
conversations more frequently. Don't have experience in middle
school or high school though, atleast in the public school
setting. So can't speak for that, but did
have a few kids though that, yeah, like I said, they would,
you know, talk about Jesus from time to time.
We actually had one who 2nd grade would draw pictures of

(14:39):
Jesus in art class, like every time he went to art class.
That's awesome. And you'd be like, who is that?
And he'd be like, oh, that's Jesus.
Yeah. And then, you know, one day I
first time I caught him doing that, I didn't know you.
That's what he did at that point.
He told me and yeah, got to explain.

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I was just like, hey, do you like, do you know what he did?
And he was like, yeah, he died. And he said I was like kind of
able to give him real short version of like, yeah, like he
died, you know, for me. And you like, it's cool, right?
And yeah, yeah, you know, and still kind of drawn in his own
head. So.
But yeah, it's cool 'cause he said, you know, they're so open

(15:21):
minded so you're not going to like, you know, try to tell him
about Jesus right unto and I kind of like attack you or
anything. So that's cool.
I I like working with the 4th and 5th graders because they are
open minded and more malleable at that age, but they're not
little kids. Like I can teach them any Bible

(15:45):
story. There's some Bible stories I
wouldn't teach to the kindergarteners or second
graders. I would, I would teach about
stories. I wouldn't go into the detail
that the Bible itself goes into right.
But when I teach the 4th and 5thgraders, I talk to them just
like I would any of my friends. Also we talk about different
stuff, but I don't, I don't feellike like when I'm with like

(16:07):
really younger kids because I'vedone like every grade at least
once. I value kids, but mostly 4th and
5th grade. And when I talk to the younger
kids, I do that thing that that people do where you have like a
like you, you change your voice or you or you talk a different
way. And I don't, I don't know if
that's like that's right or not,or if that's helpful.

(16:32):
Like I'm sure it's helpful to tospeak simple, but just to say
things more simply. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. But with the 4th and 5th
graders, I don't feel they need to do that.
Like they're mature enough to. Most of them are mature enough
to sit and listen and really take it in.
Yeah, and that's what I enjoyed about teaching 4th and 5th
grade. I mean, I just like what you're

(16:55):
saying. I that is like a special time,
'cause that's, I mean just from like the therapy I've gone to
when you just learned that like what goes on in those years,
like maybe 15 years of your lifecan dictate the rest of your

(17:16):
life. How you, how you look at the
rest of your life. I mean, outside of dramatic
changes, it's just like a very, kids are very impressionable
and, and even little things can make a big difference on it.
Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, I think that was one of mygoals when taking a job at a

(17:38):
school was I wanted to do something that, you know, and
I've learned now I think I'm, I'm coming to terms now that God
works through you wherever you work, whether you work at
Menards. Oh no, I told her.
At school and he doesn't necessarily care what you do so

(18:02):
long as it's right. Well, A like not in sin, but
also like B like doing it. You know, for him, right, if
you're doing you pleasing work in his eyes without sin or
helping people or you're doing like just something that you
know is like, you know, just a service to others some way,

(18:22):
shape or form doesn't have to be.
You know, I compare my job sometimes to my wife's and it's
not good because she works in the ER and, you know, she's
like, you know, you want to think about it like frontline,
like helping people who are dying, right?
And that's great. And God loves that.
And he is so happy that she doesthat.

(18:45):
But he's just as happy when we work wherever else it is, even
if we're just serving some friesor whatever it is, because
you're still doing, if we do it,you know, with God in your heart
and, you know, with love for, you know, whoever you may be
serving, you know, yeah, God still loves that just as much.
And so I've, I've come to terms with that more.
But that being said, one of the reasons I took this job was, you

(19:10):
know, because I thought maybe I could like really help these
kids and even knowing that they probably had some tough, tough
lives, you know, outside of the school and just be someone that,
you know, could, you know, let let Christ hopefully be a little
bit of light through me for them.
And it was definitely a lot moredifficult than I had

(19:32):
anticipated. That's why I'm still very
thankful, you know, you know, for the experience, You know, it
was good learning. Stuff.
So that's awesome. And so you were like a
counselor? No, You were a counselor,
actually. Yeah.
So no, I worked. I mean, I was basically your
typical instructional assistant,just assisted in, you know,

(19:53):
helping kids learn and just creating a safe and structured
learning environment for them. So I worked with a teacher.
Directly and, you know, kind of whatever she needed really.
So there were times where like so her, the students on her
caseload, it's kind of called a caseload you, they would be in

(20:17):
different classes, like so you know, kindergarten through 5th
grade, they, she has students that are in every one of those
grades pretty much. So they're in their, their home
rooms, you know, their actual classes.
So there are times where I wouldgo to them, check on them, but
hey, like how you doing? Like if they're, if I pop in,
they're doing really good. Like I see that I got their head

(20:37):
down. They don't look like they're mad
or anything. They look like they're working
strong. You know, where I the teacher,
you know, teacher gives me a thumbs up or something.
I might just hop out and be like, OK, like they look like
you're doing great. But if they look, you know, make
frustrated, upset, whatever it was, maybe they're sleeping.
You know, I have that sometimes go in there and just like talk
to them like, hey, look what's going on, You know, how can I

(20:59):
help? Like, what are you working on?
Hey, like I should try to like encourage them to and like give
them compliments, like make themfeel better, you know, depending
on the kid, like you never know,like what's going on that day
and you know, compliment their share or whatever.
And then also like a frequent thing was like, you know,
they're they get frustrated easily a lot of them and they
just didn't believe in themselves and think they could
do the work that they had. So you just help them believe in

(21:20):
themselves and also give them breaks.
You know, it's like, Oh, hey, like, you know, it's OK if
you're not doing great at that right now, let's go take a
break. You want to go take a walk and
take a lap around the building with them, bring them back, you
know, typically feel a lot better.
That was a big thing. And then also, like I said, it
mentioned earlier, there were kids that were so the teacher I
work with that were self-contained.
So they stayed in her classroom and she kind of had their own

(21:42):
schedule for them and they are self-contained because they just
weren't safe to be in their homeclassrooms because they, you
know, due to, you know, violence, like hitting people or
just how they speak, they just weren't safe.
And so often times I was actually in there assisting with
those students. So just kind of helping with
their schedule. So it kind of really whatever

(22:04):
vast of me just, you know, they're working on this on their
computer, you know, helping withthat.
Just kind of, you know, if they're doing good, just observe
them and help if they need help,you know, but it's not, you
know, maybe actually, you know, hands on and like helping with
whatever assignment it is. Then there's also like the
darker aspect of it where they would be unsafe and you know, to

(22:25):
themselves and to us as well, like in that room.
And unfortunately we would have to put them in these like SEM
type holds. So it's SEM is a safe crisis
management. Basically, we get trained to put
them in certain holds that, you know, 'cause you can't just grab

(22:47):
a kid Willy nilly whenever you want, keep them safe if they're
trying to hurt us or them, right?
So it can, you know, sometimes they try to hurt themselves.
And, you know, so you had lots of dark days like that.
It was definitely, you know, not, not the most fun thing
ever, but but that was a big part of it as well.

(23:08):
So but yeah, just kind of all that stuff goes, you know, just
went into that. And certainly a fun year.
But like I said, lots of good experience mixing there.
You're learning. Well that's awesome.
Sounds like you really made a difference here.
I, you know, I think I'd definitely, looking back on it
could have done a lot, lot more.But yeah, it was, again, I know

(23:33):
I've been saying it a lot, but more than anything, I'm just
very grateful that I can learn from, you know, all the, you
know, mistakes that I made. And then, you know, also just
from the the teacher I worked with and, you know, the other
staff, pretty awesome there. So learn from them as well so.
It's awesome. Do you think you'd ever consider

(23:53):
a career in teaching? Yeah, definitely on the radar.
If they were like a scale like 1to 100, you know, it's not very
high. It's maybe like you know below
10%. So, but it's, I've considered at
various points and I know that it's like, you know, I still

(24:15):
enjoy being kids and working with them clearly.
So it's definitely up there. I think just the big knock on it
for me is not necessarily the job itself and what I could do
with like a a degree, but just actually obtaining the degree.
I myself don't really enjoy going to school really at all.

(24:35):
I went to Community College for two years and got associates,
and I just kind of, yeah, drag myself through the mud to get
that wasn't even the most difficult thing in the world.
I just have struggled to, you know, through high school and
everything to admit myself to learning.

(24:56):
And that's something I've kind of come to terms with it.
That's just not typically what'sfor me.
Not to say I can't do better because I can.
But it's also, you got to know, like, what you enjoy and what
your weaknesses are. And I know it.
For me, I just don't do good in a learning environment.
I don't have that drive to just apply myself day in and day out

(25:17):
like a lot of people do. And you know, I love that for
people. And also, you know, you got to
factor in the cost and stuff like that, you know, which you
know, make, you know, makes you kind of nervous, you know,
sometimes, especially in this stage where, you know, just got
married, you know, So it's it's definitely up there still.
I guess it's a possibility. You never know, but it's not the

(25:40):
plan right now. OK.
Do you have a plan left? You know what you would like to
do. So I actually just got the news
this last week that so I was seeking employment at the Police
Department here actually. So big crazy jump.
Hey, you have the mustache for it.

(26:01):
Thanks, man. I was, yeah.
I was hoping they would just, you know, see that and just, you
know, offering the job, but apparently it's not how it
works. So.
But yeah, that's been going on since April.
I applied and it's for the Academy here.
They have an Academy here. So you get the job.
Basically, you go through the Academy for six months.
That six months is where they train you physically and

(26:22):
mentally, you know, concepts andbasics of the law and all that
to then be a police officer in the Orangeville Police
Department. So that's what I was going for
and got pretty far in the process actually.
I think I mean, it starts in August.
So kind of getting up there close to when they're, you know,

(26:43):
the people who did get the job will start but didn't work out
and that that's fine. It was a little disheartening,
but you know, it's where God wants me.
So, you know, I've been able to talk to my wife about it and you
know, a bunch of friends and families will ever supported me
as well. So that's OK.
So that was the plan, because I think that would have just been

(27:04):
really awesome, a fulfilling career where I could have, you
know, God could have worked for me and and lots of cool ways
there. But you know, so just finding
out that that news, there's not really a next step that kind of
was like right there. So that's why I say that either
I'll go back to the school another year and, you know, fill

(27:25):
that out again and, you know, take, you know, with the year
experience under my belt, you know, see what I can do this
year or potentially maybe even save an arts.
You know, I've had the thoughts of going full time talk to my
wife about that, because I do enjoy my work there.
I think past me, you know, looksat like a store like that and
just kind of like that's not a career, but that's I I think

(27:48):
current me thinks that's not true now.
No, I was looking for a job earlier this year and everyone
told me gotta apply. Menard, Menard.
Yeah. Makes.
Bank, yeah, I mean you make, I mean for part time and
especially just starting out in general for like a retail, you

(28:08):
know, grocery store type thing, they do pay pretty friendly I
would say. I mean compared to, you know,
Kroger and Walmart and other places I hear about at least.
So I mean that's good you got that going for it.
But then just in general to like, you know, I got like over
three's experience there now andI said really 99.99% of people

(28:29):
you, you work with, yeah, also want to be there and enjoy their
work. And it's just cool to, you know,
be there. And, you know, I mean, I
typically, like I said, I do enjoy being there.
And, you know, it's not perfect every day, but it's definitely
something that in this time of my life, I could see myself
making a career out of. Because they have really good

(28:51):
opportunities to advance and become like assistant managers
and then the manager and then even the GMs of the store, like
because we've had a couple of this store in the last couple of
years. And you know, there's also gyms
that you hear about from other stores in the company fairly
young. Like there's the most of them
are under the age of like 30-40,if not 35.

(29:12):
Oh, wow. So and that's like, you know,
it's like really cool. Like obviously, like if that's
my goal, you know, I can try forthat because, you know, like
they're getting those positions that age like it's not that far
off for me with some some good hard work, you know, and God on
my side, right. So yeah, yeah, it's kind of

(29:34):
those those ideas floating around right now at the moment,
so. And what's the difference
between a manager and AGM? So the managers are over each
department. So there's like 7 or 8
departments in the store and youlike hardware, electrical, OBD
is 1 or order, pickup and delivery.
That's my department and each department has at least three

(29:55):
managers. I want to say there is a second
assistant, first assistant and then department manager.
So that's what those are. And then the GM is like the
store. Yeah.
You know, they're the, there's three of them.
They're they banana, yeah, they're the big bananas of the
store. The second assistant GM, first
assistant GM and then GM. So and so, yeah, like, I mean,

(30:20):
it's, you know, the the process realistically would be, you
know, I'm a team member now. So obviously first of all, go
full time, which like, I don't know how often they hand that
out. I don't really talk to them
about it yet, you know, the GM at my store, but I go full time.
And then they it's like manager trainee basically is what you

(30:40):
would do. And you know, if they let you do
that, you just kind of go to different apartments and like
shadow like the managers in thatdepartment for about like a
month at a time, I think. Not sure how many departments it
is. I don't think it's everyone but
yeah, but if that goes well, go to second assistant obviously
then. I mean it realistically like
wouldn't take long to like get to department manager if you are

(31:04):
a hard worker. And also a little bit of good
luck too. Like I think you and my current
manager in my department went from a team member when he
started like 3 years ago, 3 1/2 to, you know, now he's the
manager of my department and about that time frame and when I

(31:24):
think I do believe when he started, he was just a team
member full time. So but he went from full Time
Team member to my knowledge to adepartment manager in about 3
1/2, maybe four years. That's awesome.
So that mean that's, you know, that's a good time.
So definitely a possibility. So good looking to it.
Well, I mean it's great to trustand God with all that and my

(31:49):
personal in my plan for my future probably changes every
month, so. In there.
Yeah. So is there anything else you
want to say about that? No, no, yeah.
Going to kind of transition intoyour testimony just as much as

(32:11):
you're comfortable sharing. Take as long as you need.
The longest person we ever had answer the testimony, the
longest answer we ever had was an hour and a half.
And you know that person? You're going to guess who it is.
It's 1. Of the what?
Can't say it out loud. Yeah.

(32:32):
Nate Johnson. It was unfortunately that was
it. OK, that was a three hour
interview. That's something one I've ever.
Recorded. Didn't y'all not record it?
We did and then the. Fire corrupted.
Oh yeah, that's what it was. And then, yeah, but I mean, I
had to cut us off for three hours.
We could have kept talking for two hours.
So you guys are telling me. And so we've got to rerecord.

(32:53):
And I think it's it's on the calendar to tentatively do it.
Yeah, but it'll be like the Sunday.
After he get back your entire day off.
It'll be Sunday after he gets back from the Dominican
Republic, so he might be wife. We might have to move back, we
got said. If you're Sunday after yeah.
Or like the day after Sunday. Yeah.

(33:15):
Oh, really? Wait, you're going, aren't you?
Yeah. Oh yeah.
OK. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we get
back Sunday. OK.
Then we'll probably be probably early the week.
After, but yeah, I don't know ifthey would fill up for it.
Yeah, I'm so I told him. I said if you feel tired, we'll
just move it. Yeah.
But yeah, because I wanted to talk to him about that.
If I know him, you're going. I would have put our interview

(33:36):
after that too. Oh no, you're good, man.
I'm good yeah, I mean, I'm not working on an Rs right now, but
my hours as far as work are nothing compared to when I was
like during school season. Oh yeah, like I I got, you know,
even though the DRS next week decent chunk of free time right
now. Yeah, this.
You know, that's why this week worked great so.
Yeah, I'd love to talk to you about Dr. First we got to get to

(34:00):
the testimony, don't forget. And I got to do that every
episode. So that's, that's really, I
don't remember who said this. It was someone on my show.
I wish I remembered, but I thinkit might have been, Jameis said.
Or he was quoting someone who said.
So many good quotes. He does have a lot of good
quotes, he said. Every testimony is miracle and.

(34:24):
I think I've heard him say that before.
So I just like every episode. I like to have my guests go
through their testimony. So you have a miracle and every
episode as well, Yeah. You're only one more where
miracle away from being the Popeapparently.
No, I'm sorry, a St. A St.

(34:44):
You can't be a St. unless you'vedone 2 miracles apparently.
According to the I've never heard that.
I heard that in a Jim Gaffins kid so I don't know how.
True it is. That's funny.
But he is Catholic. Six kids.
Can't book 6 kids must be Catholic.
Oh, Jimmy Gaffin. All right man all.

(35:05):
Right, let's go for it. So what's the testimony?
What now? I'm saying this one.
So don't want to go in too much detail and like, you know, you
know, my childhood because like they weren't really like the big

(35:25):
thing that sculpted who I was. And you know, when I was saved
in my childhood was just a simple fact that I didn't go to
church, you know, like it could have been earlier if I had.
It's not true for everyone. So you can't stay for sure.
But parents divorced when I was like really young.
It's probably like 2, maybe lessthan Dad gets remarried shortly

(35:47):
after, has another kid. Mom gets remarried a few years
after, has two more brothers. You may have met my brothers,
potentially. They're going to youth a handful
of times. They're not there all the time,
though. It's totally.
Possible. I met them and don't even know
you're well. They're your brothers.
That's also true because they don't really look like me, to be
fair. So.
And I'm just bad with that kind of stuff.

(36:09):
I'm bad. The amount of names I learned
youth and then I still have to ask their names and I feel bad
and I don't want them to think Idon't care about her.
You know, it was like so many ofyou guys now.
This is great. But yeah, so parents divorce was
young. So like I think that's a key
childhood event obviously, because like, who knows?
Like what my life looks like if they stay together.

(36:29):
You don't be so different, be crazy.
Like, you know, three siblings Iwouldn't even have.
And you know, step moms and stepdads and other sides of family,
you know, just so many crazy things.
So that was a key event. And then I was lived with my
mom. I don't know why, but it just
always feels like, you know, divorce relationships.

(36:52):
Somehow the kids always end up with them all.
A. Lot.
You know why that is? I mean, my dad wasn't, you know,
you know, my dad died pretty anything bad to us, right?
So it wasn't anything like you couldn't do with them.
Just started out with her mom. And you know, me and my sister,
she's a year and a half older than me.
We're both cool with that. We love her mom and so sit with

(37:14):
her and we'd go to our dad's every other weekend.
Yeah, growing up with her mom, you know, you know, 2 year with
both of the time never went to church consistently.
Like we'd go here and there onceor twice a year or something
like that. You know, probably maybe a
little bit more than you know what I can remember, but never

(37:36):
enough to like where something would stick like to this age,
you know, that I would, you know, I remembered the only time
I ever remembered a somewhat consistent period where, you
know, we were in a church was I was probably about fourth, fifth
grade, something like that maybe.

(37:56):
And it was during the summer andwe'd go to like VBS equivalent,
not like what we're doing now atI don't know the name of the
church, but it's off of the 54. So if you're on the side where
McDonald's and Taco Bell and Arby's and it's actually right
across the street from the Cheetah car wash, if you know

(38:18):
what I'm talking about. So like in front of Kohl's and
all that, those places there's aodor looking.
I know exactly what you're talking about, yeah.
So we my stepmom and my stepmom's mother, silly, I
guess. Step grandma, I guess.
Yeah, she would go there. And so she had a couple of hair

(38:42):
girls that would go there. They were about my age and
they're twins. And so we kind of the kind, you
know, some up for somewhat, you know, we're like, hey, you're
going to do this. And so I went there for like a
week as ebsi think, and really don't remember much other than
the fact that it was, you know, like I didn't not like it like,

(39:05):
you know, the fun arts and crafts.
And I know I made like a cross and like these little they were
like fake diamonds, if that makes sense.
And they were like sticky, like you would like is just like you
don't. Yeah, I know what you're talking
about. I mean.
Sticky was like a little plastic.
Yes, yeah, plastic like jewels. And so I made like a cross out
of it and you know, just it's a little, you know, kids crafts,

(39:28):
so stuff like that. And then I know one thing that
even then, kind of like at that age rubbed me the wrong way,
never enough to where like I held onto it for even probably,
you know, a week after a month after.
But I was in a class with, you know, other kids and that, you

(39:50):
know, there was, I guess someone, I don't know if he's a
pastor or if he's just, you know, a member of the church,
but he was like teaching us somesort of Bible lesson.
And he kind of just looked at mepoint blank and asked like if I
was saved. And I clearly I wasn't like I
barely knew who Jesus was. I probably really didn't even
know Jesus was, to be honest. And I remember like every other

(40:13):
kid like looking at me, you know, kind of like, you know,
and focus just so on me. And I was just kind of like, I
think I didn't really say anything.
I did know how to answer that, you know, I didn't.
I was like, what is being saved?I don't know what this is.
And I remember, like telling, I think, you know, stepmoms, you
know, step grandma, I think I remember telling her maybe my

(40:36):
mom or something, you know, about it.
And they were kind of upset, youknow, about it because, you
know, they just felt. And I, I continue to agree.
I don't think this man meant anywrong.
But I think you also got to tread carefully, like how you
just kind of ask your kid that, especially because like, in that
situation, like, what is like. Yeah.
Like I've never, like I said, never really thought about it,

(40:57):
you know, much too long after that.
But it was awkward at that time,you know, like every other kid
looking at me and me not knowinghow to answer that.
Like, you know, it's like, I don't think you mentioned it
wrong, but it's definitely a bitof an awkward situation.
And so I was like, you know, first experience that church.
I mean, like I said, it was fine.

(41:17):
And so they kind of parents, youknow, whether it was my mom or
my stepmom, whoever it was kind of somewhat pushed me to still
going on Sundays, you know, hereand there.
And so we'd go like, you know, we went and I don't even know
how many Sundays, not too many, but I remember just being bored
of my mind. It's really old school church,

(41:38):
you know, you stand up, sing outof the hymn book and sit down.
And I listen to the pastor speakand we try to fight falling
asleep. Couldn't tell you anything.
You really preached about, you know, at that age and to tell
you, though, that I didn't enjoymy time there.
I, I, you know, would fight my mom to go in the morning.

(41:59):
Yeah. And so that was, you know,
that's my experience in that church.
In church growing up didn't nothing bad happened, but
nothing occurred. Like, I didn't really learn
anything really, to be honest. So, you know, that's just kind
of how it went though. So from that point on, you know,

(42:20):
up until the age of 18, I never had any choice experience.
Eventually, you know, when I turned 16, started, you know,
becoming more free on my own, living in Orange Real Steel with
my mom, you know, and started a job at Kroger on Predator
Street. But then started kind of, I

(42:44):
always thought to myself, I guess as a good kid at the time,
because I didn't really like generally treat people poorly
and I didn't really do much, which is true.
Like up until that age. Like, I mean, I didn't even
really want to start cursing until I was probably like 10th
grade, you know, where everybodyelse in public schools is, you
know, So I just feel like awkward about it was thought it
was bad. And so now I've said now that

(43:07):
like, no one's righteous, not even one.
But I always thought of myself as generally kind of a good kid.
But then around the age of 16, kind of with some friends and
also with, like, you know, family memories on my dad's
side, I was introduced to marijuana and started smoking.
And that turned into something that wouldn't say I was, like,

(43:28):
addicted to it because, like, I think even then I knew I could
just, like, not do it. I think I just would smoke
because it was fun, you know? Yeah.
Like it just, you know, simple foot like just made me feel
good, made life more enjoyable. Not that I had a bad life, but
just something to do right. And so I just started kind of
smoking almost like every day like I would it was usually like

(43:51):
a like a pen like with DHC riveror something.
I'm not even really sure. Like the insurance and outs is
probably kind of scary. At the time I wasn't educating
myself. So but yeah, just kind of
started doing stuff like that and definitely didn't realize at
the end, but I would I was was turning me more into like

(44:15):
self-centered person who just was kind of just out there like,
hey, how can I enjoy today, right?
How can I enjoy life like, you know, making money at Menards
and immediately like spending iton like a new pair of shoes or
whatever I wanted, right? Just what makes me happy,
following my own heart kind of, if you will.

(44:37):
And smoking weed was a big part of that.
And so I think you're kind of, Iwas probably, I was pretty close
with my mom growing up, but definitely kind of grew distant
from her during that time, even though I lived with her, you
know, off and on. So Long story short, kind of
lived with my and uncle through some of that, not to anything,

(44:59):
you know, because of my mom, butjust different reasons in school
purposes, stuff like that. But for the most part around my
mom, if I wasn't living with her, you know, I'm so sorry
frequently, but it would still grow distant during that time
just because I was kind of beingmore self-centered, you know,
seeking my own fun. And I was believe I was 18, if

(45:22):
not really close to 18 at this time.
And a girl had started working at Kroger with me probably a few
months prior to that. And I became like just obsessed
with her, which was like not good.
And scary part was if she was 23, so obviously I said when she

(45:43):
started, I might have been 17. And she was very she she enjoyed
the attention of, you know, males.
So, you know, I was even though I was, you know, a few years
younger, like she loved the attention I would give her and
you know, being me, you know, you know, a boy never had a

(46:05):
girlfriend that you know, it wasjust the girl smiles at me.
I'm like, you know, like head over heels, right.
So different was pursuing her pretty strongly and like to, you
know, just bit of heartache during that time period.
No, no, probably was too real, which is good to know.
But basically getting to, you know, kind of the time where God

(46:29):
reached out to me here, kind of chasing after her for a few
months and she had slept with another employee at Kroger.
And I say that because I eventually asked her out of

(46:51):
desperation, because like I fromwherever it come from, I got it
in my head that I'm never, I waslike, you know, I'm never going
to find someone. Like I'm, you know, I basically
graduate in high school about two and never had a girlfriend,
you know, never kissed a girl, nothing like that.
Which like sounds pathetic, but.That's good.

(47:12):
Right, you know, but like I just, you know, due to my
thinking and you know, probably the devil at the time, you know,
wouldn't call it that then, but just felt like I was always
going to be alone or something, you know, I'm just so like
silly. But so I asked her I would go
for sex. Basically.
I just straight up and texted her and was like, hey, like you
have sex with me. And the reason I mentioned like

(47:34):
this she had sex with another Coworker is because like she very
well could have agreed to that. And like who like holy cow, like
where could I? Where would I be without God's
interference, you know? So she said no.
And it's like very thankful because, you know, not to, you

(47:56):
know, hope she's in a good spot right now.
I don't, you know, I haven't heard from her few years, but
knew at that time, like it wouldn't have been a shock if
she, you know, had agreed to that.
So she said no. And I think even being someone
who didn't pray, didn't know Christ, who didn't know, you

(48:20):
know, have any sort of religion,I always considered myself an
atheist, which at the time or now I would say I was probably
more agnostic because I was probably just waiting for like,
something to be shown to me. And eventually God did reveal
himself. None of that in my life.
I think I still knew that that was wrong.

(48:41):
Like right after you just said no, I was like, why would I do
that? Like they just didn't feel right
that I would ask for that. I felt like just kind of gross
and, you know, discuss with myself and just like upset.
And so like out of nowhere, I'm in my mom's apartment and she
still lives there now. And I just started praying like,

(49:02):
you know, again, like I didn't do this.
I got I, I never prayed in my life.
Basically. It's the only time I probably
prayed were the few times I was in church when I was younger.
And that wasn't like a prayer, you know, like that was just
like, you a kid, you know, just kind of like, what are we doing
here? They talking to her, the voices
in her head, like, you know, yeah.
So I just kind of like prayed. I was just like, even then

(49:24):
there's a selfish prayer. I was like, God, if you're real,
like, please send me someone to love because I was like, you
know, that was my goal, right? You know, asking for sex.
Like, yes, it scratched it like,you know, lustful itch, but also
it was like, I just wanted to feel like, you know, I belonged
to someone. I reconnect to someone.

(49:44):
And so I even then I, it was a selfish prayer.
God, like if you're real, send me some more love.
And immediately after that, my now wife texted me saying I miss
you. And I was like, you know, 18
year old me before. I like that, you know, like,

(50:05):
yeah, alarm bells are going off,you know, it's the sign when in
reality it's I mean, I do think that kind of God worked in that.
Obviously we're married so. But you know, we are pretty good
friends in and we Needless to say, she was I prayed that God,
I think answered kind of in thatmoment to me like a little sign

(50:28):
like when she texted me. I think through that, you know,
and obviously weird place. So we're good friends and she's
a Christian. Then she was saved and I shared
this with her. I was like, you know, I shared,
you know, what I'd done and you know, kind of what was going on.
And she, I wish I still had them.

(50:53):
And I know my mom had them for aminute.
Like she kept them like in a closet or something.
She made like two or three papers of notes about like the
gospel handwritten and met me atthe Creme downtown, a coffee
shop. Met me there, actually should go
me there cuz I didn't have a car.

(51:13):
It's kind of amazing. But met me there to share the
gospel with me and we had those papers.
And it makes me sad that I don'tknow if we still do share the
gospel with me though. And just kind of slowly, you
know, grew from there, you know,sort of the question thing,
seriously, Hey, what is this? What is this?

(51:34):
You know, listen, she helped me best you could like she was
still kind of new as far as likebeing saved at that time.
So but she was, you know, she's basically the first person for
the gospel with me really that Ilike heard, you know, because
God lobbied here, you know, And so that was, you know,

(51:59):
happening, just sharing the gospel with me.
You know, we were growing closer.
So eventually we kind of starteddating.
And as we were dating, this is probably about half a year or so
after she had initially shared the gospel with me, I decided I
was like, hey, like, I think I want to be saved.
And so I gave my life to Christ And you know, that was I think

(52:26):
maybe the year, the year before I started at Menards maybe, or
the year they're the same year, actually 2021, I believe, gave
me life to Christ and haven't really, you know, it's just
gotten better every year. Like, I mean, it's difficult,
like, you know, your struggles as a Christian, but I've grown,
you know, on sanctification every single year.

(52:48):
And it's been awesome to see andlike look back And sometimes it
when I feel discouraged, I just try to remember like where I
was, you know, even before, you know, literally four years ago
when I was 18, like I was looking at porn every day and,
you know, just care about myselfand didn't, you know, have this,
you know, King who cares about me so deeply and, you know, gave

(53:12):
his life for me. And knowing that like now, like
I was literally doomed for hell and God intervened.
I didn't do anything. The only reason I pray just
because something inside of me was like, you know, pray, that's
not me. That wasn't me.
That wouldn't have been me. I never went to church.
How could that have been me? I didn't do that right?

(53:35):
And So what I find most awesome about it is my initial prayer,
how Sitter was selfish when I was like, God, send me if you're
real, send me someone to love. He didn't send me Allie.
You know, while we did get married and I love her, he sent
me Jesus and he sent every, you know, And that's like, it's so
awesome to know now, like then even like first couple years in

(53:56):
my faith, Yeah, I didn't realizethat.
But now it's like, so clear to me that he was like, that was
the time in my life where he's like, you know, like Isaiah,
like, I'm going to save you. And, you know, he did, you know,
he pulled me out of my brokenness, you know, because of
my sin. He gave me Jesus.

(54:17):
And, you know, then Alex shares the gospel and tells me, like,
this is what he just did for you, OK?
Like, he wants you. Like, you just go to him.
So yeah, that's the scoop. I hope that all made sense.
I probably could have pieced it together a little bit better.
Yeah. I mean, it's like I said, since

(54:38):
then, it's it's been a process of trying to grow with Christ
and let him, you know, continue to mold me, you know, however he
sees fit, which is tough sometimes because, you know, I'm
still like, you know, so I have those temptations for sin and,
you know, that pride that's there that wants to, you know,

(54:59):
and do things my way and stuff like that.
But still very awesome to know that he so has that level of
love for me. And it's still like has awesome
plans. Yeah, so.
Well, that's that's great, man. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for being open. I mean, even part of my own

(55:22):
testimonies when I was in high school, I did have a girlfriend
and we didn't have sex, but we still, we went, we didn't things
that we should have been doing. And, and now and, and then just
looking back on that, especiallynow, I have a girlfriend who who
I really like. She's a strong Christian.

(55:43):
And I mean, see, I don't know when this is coming out and when
I'm going to have a conversationlike this with her.
But I mean, I like to spend the rest of my life with her, right.
At some point, if God leads me to do that.
Yeah. But then I just had that that
guilt of what I did before and, and, and and I know I'm forgiven

(56:07):
for that. But I mean, I just, I mean, I
just think it would be important, say just for any guy
out there who's listening, who'skind of at that stage of life or
I mean, really any stage of life, that can be a temptation.
I mean, it just in the moment, it just feels like that's all
that's there. Like you got blinders on.

(56:28):
Yeah, I agree. But it's not worth it.
I mean it just it never, it never really satisfies as much
as as Christ does and and God's plan for you will.
Absolutely, I agree 110% with that and especially the part
about the blinders on it. Yeah, I hear whoever is

(56:51):
listening. Like if he can remember that no
matter how tensing that sin feels in that moment, however
long that, you know, that great happy feeling lasts, it will
always, always come back down and often leave you worse than
where you were before it. And lots of times I wish I could

(57:13):
have just remembered that in that moment because it's very
difficult. But once you let's say, like if
you do resist the sin, you know,with, you know, with Christ by
your side, you know, that's an awesome feeling.
Like you can, you know, kind of like, thank you, thank you Jesus
for not let you know if we're helping him resist this, you

(57:34):
know, 'cause that's still still happens today, you know, like,
you know, you got to resist sin and it just, you know, it's
awesome whenever it's like, you know, Christ helps you through
that 'cause then you're just like, man, like I'm growing.
Like you're like Christ is like,you know, working like maybe
even like a couple months ago, like I would have given into

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that. But now, like, look at that, you
know, and it's like, it's a babystep.
So right up. But yeah, I think that's awesome
that you, you know, can I have that, you know, similar
experiences with some fear of some of the guys.
Yeah, unfortunately, but. Yeah, well, we have about 10

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minutes left and now it's got. I got to get to work.
I wish we had more time. We might be able to just, like
put every part in Tomb Raider and just.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, I thought about
doing that once, like because I wanted to interview my friend
Jetson, and we were going to go to Louisville later this month.
We ended up not being able to. We're going to just set it all

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up in the car. I'd record an episode.
That's great. I was like, I mean, you're going
to like. We're what else can.
We talk. Yeah.
Like. And I can even what's great, I
have this subscription to Adobe Podcast or Adobe Podcasters,
whatever. I I could record on my phone and
then run it through their AI voice enhancing thing.

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It's so good. I do it to every episode I
published. What is that?
Sounds really just makes that sound like it sounds.
It just sounds like we're at a studio really.
The mic sounds good, but there'sI mean, it just takes it a step
up. Yeah, I don't like.
So what's funny is the first like 5 or four or five episodes

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I recorded, I essentially recorded with a dummy mic with
this mic, but I didn't set it upright in a in Audacity, which is
the app I'm using to record and it just recorded from my MacBook
microphone. Is it really?
Yeah. And so it doesn't sound good
yeah and I was like I can't figure out how to make the

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microphone work to it sounds good because I wasn't even using
microphone. I finally figured it out you.
Live and you're wearing, right? Yeah.
And so I just put it into the Adobe thing.
And so it there are some parts where it sounds kind of like
Word war. I don't know how to pronounce
that word, but kind of like justa little weird just for a second
because. Because it's enhancing from a

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low quality mic on. When I enhance it from this
microphone, it sounds great. Yeah.
Yeah. And then it can take the
background down. You've got sliders to adjust the
background and then the the foreground.
Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, I do.
It's. 'Cause I don't feel like I'm at
the point yet where I mean in this room is not ideal for

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recording at all. There's too much glass.
It's the the ceiling. Glass isn't there good.
The whole room, I mean, it's just there's worse rooms.
My room is way worse than this where I used to record, but
yeah. I think you're on the up and up,
man. Might have your own studios in
there, yeah. That'd be pretty cool.

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My uncles have a podcast. If you're listening, you should
go check out commercially speaking, it's Beau Baron and
Timmy Baron. It's commercial real estate
podcast. If you're in that kind of and if
you're not into commercial real estate, you should listen anyway
because you will learn. That's the whole.
Point you will need to be at some point.
Yeah, and when they first started I guess like 2 years ago

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now. That's crazy.
Beau is CCIM certified. It's like a big deal, I guess.
And I guess yeah. And and so, but he's he's in
commercial real estate. He's a broker.
Well, before I get off the driver trail, is there anything
else you want to talk about? No, no, no.

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I think, think of how I'm feeling, man.
I think this is awesome. I'm glad to have been able to
share all this SO. Yeah, well, we do need a wrap up
anyway. Check out Commercially speaking,
it's great. Even if you don't know anything
about commercial real estate, they do a great job teaching it.
That's the whole point of the show, is that beginners can

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listen and learn. And then I, I don't know,
veterans experts can also do some and enjoy and, and learn.
Yeah, it's, it's pretty cool. And they have a great dynamic.
Yeah, 'cause when they first started like Timmy, he didn't.
No, hardly anything right now. I should go say obviously now he
knows and let's. Say, yeah, I have to check it

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out at some point whenever you know what I mean, wife start
looking at a, you know, a house or something or.
Well, it's more like if you're, if you're guy, well, this one is
being a broker, I thought, well,I mean, you can listen to it.
I mean, just in general, though,like I'm sure for advice like it
would be, yeah. And there's more than like
there's a lot of business stuff.About any sort of real estate.

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Like they have an entire episode.
It's like an hour of just how toleave a good voicemail.
How to leave a good? Because because I like, I didn't
even know this. Whenever you're a commercial
real estate broker, you're calling people all day and you
got to leave a good voicemail orthey're not going to call you
back. And so.
And Beau's really good at it. Yeah.
And then they have another one about packing for a trip, like

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just and. And I might need that one,
right? I mean right now.
And and then they have one wherethey interviewed my granddad and
just went through my granddad's kind of like, and I really want
to have him on the podcast, but I feel like it would just look
pretty much the same as what they did.
I hate I'll still have them on, though.
But. And then they just had my

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grandmother. And yeah, they do more than just
commercial real estate. That's how it started.
And it's kind of expanded now. That's still like their main
thing. Yeah.
It's a great show. Anyway, my point was saying all
that was they have a really nicestudio because Bose company
bought, well, he bought this, this building that used to be a

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bank, Yeah, on South Town and there's a vault in there and
that's their studio they choose.Their in their series of bank.
Vault it is. It's so cool.
The door is awesome and I mean it's like a bank and they put
like like they decorated it, their shelves, lights,

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microphones. I think they just like kept it
this blank like a bank fall. But it's like a really nice
setup. It's nice equipment.
And then because they do video too, and then they have like the
foam on the walls. But it's perfect for sound.
And I listen to podcasts all thetime, and their podcast has some
of the best sound I've ever heard.
Yeah. And I listen to like.

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You get you need to buy bank them.
That's exactly what I was tryingto say.
Yeah, I need to buy bank. Let's see girls here.
With my $13.00 an hour part timemuseum job.
You'll be there one day, Yeah. One day you can buy that.
You know you can buy the museum one day.
Buy the home museum and they're all fire.

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All the people who got down, allthe upstairs people.
No, just kidding if you're listening. 30 minutes.
Thirty minutes. I love you guys.
But basement, basement getting on top.
You know what? I'm about it.
Well, we better wrap up, so I'llpress out and then you can take
me to work. Sounds like a good idea.

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Oh yeah, my girlfriend drives mearound too cause 'cause my car
is a salvage child. It gives you a good sense of
humility at an age. I drive, but it's her car.
She doesn't really like driving,which is great 'cause I love
driving. Go work.
The exact same way. Yeah, so.
All right, good God, thank you for this beautiful day.

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I assume it's beautiful. All the windows are closed right
now. But thank you for this
opportunity to hang out with Isaiah and just have a great
conversation with him here on the show.
God, I thank you that thank you for sending your son to die.
Thank you that we can have forgiveness for our sins and

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that you don't hold them againstus, that you have you keep no
record of wrongdoing. God, I thank you that your
mercies are new every morning and and that we can just find
freedom in that. God, I want to surrender this
show to you, this interview. Oh, whatever you want to do with

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it, God give me wisdom to to runthis podcast according to your
will and in a way that helps outa lot of people.
I pray that some will will be reached by this and that you'll
draw them close to you and feel your presence.
And Christ never pray. Amen.

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Amen.