Isaiah Burden & Nate Johnson

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OK, so today is a bit of a firstbecause I've been interviewing
two people once and there's two people I've already had on the
show and at the time we're recording, neither of y'all's
episodes have come out yet, but I think yours comes out soonish.
I it's number I can't remember, but there's still both of them

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are like 3 or 4 weeks forward. So I haven't said you have this
will go ahead and come out todayor tomorrow or after y'all's
individual interviews come out. But that's what we're doing
today. And so today I have Nate Johnson
and Isaiah Burton and both of which who are great friends of

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mine. And so if you guys want to
introduce yourself, bless you. That was not a very good
interaction. Yeah, go ahead.
I'm Isaiah Burton. As you said, I've been on the
show, but not yet publicly known.
Not not real famous yet, but yeah, I was ever in 22.

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Good friend of the governor who's known not too.
I'm really about what you have to.
Yeah, I mean, at the most probably since I've been here in
Owensboro. But but good church battles, and
that's all that matters. Nate.
And I'm Nate. Nate Johnson.
Same. I go to church with Isaiah and

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Gunner, work with the youth. Same as Isaiah and Gunner.
Yeah. Excited to be here.
There's not really much more to add.
Yeah. So the reason I'm having y'all
on the show today, and that was just so that people could figure
out whose voice is which. Because all the time, the worst
I listen to the podcast all the time, and the worst is when you

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have more than two people on a on a show and they're all guys
or they're all girls. You're waiting from the
casualty. Say their name right?
So you can figure out this year.Yep.
So hopefully our voices don't sound too similar.
Like early morning grog though at my.
Side so the reason I'm having you all on the show together is

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to talk about a mission trip that you guys went on two weeks
ago Yeah so that would so about mid June and you guys went to.
Nick and Republic, the Dr. Yeah.Exactly.
So doctor, the doctor, we went to the doctor, the doctor for a

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week. Yes, always real good.
So I went to the DRA few months ago and that was awesome.
So I mean, that's a completely unnecessary piece of
information, but I feel like. Sharing that is necessary.
That is, this is like a round. Table Well, I want you all to
share your experience. Dr. Round Table.

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Yeah. Dr. Round Table.
I also went to Dr. But even though we're talking about you
guys run to Dr. That's unnecessary.
OK, that's true. So, yeah, you know, what would
have been really helpful for this is like a list of questions
that I had pre prepared, what would have been.
I did that like the first two interviews and then I just kind

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of quit doing it. Waited.
Yeah. All right, so you guys went to
the Dr. What? What made you want to go to the
Dr. Well, you know, first priority and like the main goal

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while we're there obviously was to share the gospel and also
just like plant seeds in general.
So that was like a big motivating factor.
But other than that, being like,you know, the the main factor, a
big one for me that I'd always known was like, hey, like, I
need to go on a missions trip atsome point soon for this reason

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was I needed. And I think everyone needs to
experience being out of America and not just in like, you know,
a nice wealthy country, you know, elsewhere, like being in
America and like a developing country or something where
there's, you know, just the poverty is like next level.
Just because you're like, gives you a perspective of, you know,

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our lives and you know, how goodwe have it, how, how blessed we
are just to have been born here,not including all the extra
stuff that we do have that we take for granted every day.
So I think that that was just a big, a big thing for me.
I needed to see like, hey, like,what, what is it like out there?

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And, you know, how can this put me in check, You know, realizing
that these people are living like this.
And not only that, but a lot of them seem to have more joy than
a lot of people here. Yep.
So what what are we doing that's, you know, wrong?
If they're, you know, maybe not,they only have food every day

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and their houses are falling apart, but they still are
opening their doors to everyone.And, you know, we could, you
know, have everything in the world and we shut our doors, you
know, here. So just that perspective for
sure was like, you know the key reason why I wanted to go.
Yeah, absolutely. And that that really is a
reoccurring theme when I talk topeople who've been there.

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It's just how happy the people there are and we can hit on that
in a minute. So and then Nate, what did that
look like for you? I just kind of process of
getting there and your your thoughts on that?
I feel like, I mean pretty similar eyes is honestly growing
up, which I grew up in church, you know, I think that was I

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mentioned that whenever we talked, but like so missions and
all that stuff was very I mean, I'd like it was a thing.
You know, it wasn't just like, oh, kind of far away.
It was like, honestly, growing up, missions was what you did.
If you were like a super Christian, do that and stuff and
like, oh, you better go on a mission trip or all that stuff.
And so I guess tying into the legalism.
But so I honestly like hated that thought like I was like, I

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will never do this, you know? But then honestly, the past
couple years, like, I don't know, that's I've been talking
to some people at church, like, is that a call?
Is that just like a just contentment with whatever, you
know? But the past couple years I have
been warming up to the idea. And so for this, it wasn't
clearly like, oh, yeah, no, you need to go with Pleasant Valley

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to the Dominican Republic. But it was like, this is an
opportunity you've been given, you know, like, are you going to
take it or what kind of. And I was like, yeah, you know.
And so it wasn't a clear like lightning bolt like, oh, you
know, you need to do this. But looking back, it's like 100%
that was what I needed to do, you know, and, and no, there
wasn't anything flashy like, youknow, like God like saved

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everyone there, like he healed like this crippled, but you
know, whatever, you know, there was some of some of that cool
stuff. But I think just the overall,
overall what I got from it was like God's faithfulness, the
beauty of the church being bold and evangelism, you know.
And so it wasn't even looking back, it wasn't like a big like
God moment like people would say, but like, I know that it

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was definitely of God. So yeah, so definitely not.
It wasn't like there wasn't, there wasn't a concern or
confusion or like a lack of peace going.
It just wasn't a clear like, oh,I need to do this, you know, it
was more of a I'd like to do this and then I want to do it.
So we're going to do it, you know, but.

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Yeah, if that answers the question, no, absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, even for me, it was just
kind of like, well, this would be fun and I didn't really think
about the missions aspect of it.But I now that I've been back
for some months now and that's really what has stuck with me is
the missions work we did. So you guys went to Polo, right?

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Yeah. Take places you.
Were and for any listening who have any idea about Dominican
geography, I wouldn't expect youto but Polo is in Barrera right
yeah the region Barrera, not thecity Barrera, which we also went

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to for funds and do you guys take that crazy like 5 hour bus
trips from Santa Domingo to. No, we actually had a private
jet. That would have been nice.
I thought we were going to die. Ours was like 7 hours though and
then on the way they were sayingit's just like a four hour drive

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and. We like that as a lot, at least
6 our drive there. Well, they're telling us there's
going to be 5 hours and then it took an hour to get up that last
hill because the bus, I don't know if you all had the same bus
or not, but the bus almost couldn't make it up the hill.
It was going like 2 miles an hour up this super steep hill
for an hour and it should have taken like maybe 10.

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Minutes. No, we didn't have that problem.
Yeah, better. Well, yeah, the traffic there is
nuts. Absolutely insane.
I don't know who's. Do you all know who the driver
was for your bus? No, I don't remember saying.
I think we. So the bus on the way there and
the what on the bus on way out, both to the airport?

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Well, to and from the airport, the driver was different.
It was one guy and he had two other guys with him who followed
us in like a van with our luggage.
And then during the week, there's another guy who drove us
around. Sunglasses shorter.
Yes, yes, yeah, that guy is. Awesome.
I never caught the man. It was like.

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He didn't speak in English, but he drove our bus both times and
he, it's got to be like the bestand the worst driver I've ever
seen because he just. Dude I think they're on the
best. They're all like that and they
just, there's, it's like there'sno rules on the road.
His bus, any of them, any of thebus drivers we had, I don't

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think at all, at least that I knew of at any point had their
the bus hit anything? No, just the tires.
Yeah, there's nothing. So like honestly, I don't, I
know. I.
Mean their traffic's like that, but they can drive.
It's honestly pretty. It is impressive.
But me as an American, I would have died very quickly.

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Oh yeah, we would have. We would have hesitated.
That's what I said. We're TN.
We would have. Like I want to let them go, but
no, you got to just, you got to just send it.
Yeah, I mean, there's, there's lines, No one follows the lines.
The pedestrians go wherever theywant.
The speed limit is subjective. It's all over the place, but
they can do it. They're really good.

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And so Polo is not a big city, not even close.
Is really, really strong. It's like small.
Town. Yeah, it's majority.
And I don't know what's considered poverty there, but it
compared to America, it's extreme poverty.

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And it was really an eye openingexperience for me.
I don't know for a lot of other people that like you see this
stuff on the news, These people live in essentially shacks, no
AC, no electricity, no shoes or anything.
And and you will see that on thenews or on TV or you read about

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it and you're like, oh, that's it just seems so far away.
Like, you know, it's real, but you can't really wrap your head
around it and it doesn't really mean anything to you until
you're there and you see it and you can picture what it would be
like to live in that in like those conditions.
And then it becomes very real and and just kind of like an eye

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opener to a lot of Americans, a lot of people who went there and
to me. So did y'all experience anything
like that when you were there? Yeah, definitely.
I think for me it was a lot, a lot of the, I guess there's that
sense of uncleanliness, you know, which just someone like
even like weird, like Kentuckians, you know, we still

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are like better off than like, you know, 99% of the world, I
guess. So just even that sense of like,
OK, they would have a house and it, it would be like, you know,
metal pieces put together and stuff.
But then it's just like, where do they have their food?
Like the, where there's one house that was like the laundry
machine. Like they actually had laundry
machines, but it was like dirty water, I think.

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And like, there's a dog mixed. Like it was just all like, whoa.
Like, you know, even even to me,honestly, as someone who was,
who was there on a mission trip,who's trying to follow across
all that stuff, it was still like, appalling, you know?
And that's horrible to say, but it was like, it's just a totally
different, you know, it's eye opening, like you said, yeah.
No, I mean, I think it's right to be kind of appalled by that

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because that's sin, That's brokenness of the world.
It's not sin that the other night conditions, but that's
what sin has done to the world that the the world is broken
into. People have to live in those
conditions and it's just part ofthe brokenness of the world.
I was saying it's their fault for living there.
Your trash in your yard. Sinner and and even where we

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were, we had electricity and AC like we were in the nicest
building within miles by far andand when we first got there I I
was kind of like oh man, this place sucks the ACS all half
broken the water we're not supposed to drink the tap water.
This sucks and then you get in the village you're like this is

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really nice. What am I complaining about?
This is horrible. Why am I complaining about this?
And, and so we didn't even fullyexperience it.
And, and like we're saying earlier, these people are so
happy. So I'm kind of getting ahead of
myself. Is there anything you wanted to
add there as a? No, not really.
Yeah. I mean, it was pretty crazy to

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see at first, but I will say that I felt like, yeah, it
wasn't too long. And I, I feel like I was kind of
used to it. Like it we kind.
Of yeah, no, because. You could see how it didn't
really bother any of the locals,just like, don't bother them,
don't bother me. Then you get used to like, you
know, the random animals, chickens and goats crossing the
road and just like that. Yeah, once you got, you saw that

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it really was like, OK, well, this is just life here.
And it's not like you didn't feel like dangerous or anything.
But yeah, it's gross. And like, yeah, I'm sure there's
things they do that are probablypretty gross.
So they don't, you know, really they don't want to deal with it
either. I'm sure, you know, I'm just
because of, you know, how poverty it is.
But just being there like, aftera while, I was kind of just

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like, it's not that bad though. I mean, it's just like, as far
as like how it affects you. And I think it's because of
them. Like you could tell that like,
it didn't really seem to like they, they still had happiness,
you know, And I think that that rubbed off on me and it allowed
me to just be more comfortable in the midst of like, you know,
lots of trash and clutter and stuff.

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You know what I just thought of?I wish we had a Dominican person
here. AUT that or Lt. however you say
it. That would be awesome.
Or Dolvey. And Dolvey.
And oh, I love Dolvey. That would be Dolly Omar.
I'm going to go over my boy did not speak English though.
It was so cool. And that would be cool.
I wanted to bring the equipment and interview dude Mateo off

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with a with AI. Don't know.
Did you all meet Passion Mateo? We did, yeah.
With a translator or interview, one of the translators and
everyone said do not break your equipment, don't bring it.
Like the leadership did or like you're like who?
Because it would get stolen or. Yeah, the leadership, they said
it would either get broke or stolen.
OK, That's the law of nice computers anyway.

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I don't know. Yeah.
I don't think you. I mean, as long as you didn't
take it out of the building, I think you would have been fine
actually, because that building felt very like.
Yeah, but play even like just getting break plane travel like
all that stuff. I mean I.
Don't even I don't even bring this like to work or I'm a very
paranoid guy so if I bring my computer anywhere it's with me

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at. All maybe next time like you do
something like that, you can getlike a backup computer, like a
cheaper one. Yeah, it didn't bring some
stuff. Or just get like a tape.
Recorder or something? Yeah.
Just go. Like probably not taste the
forwarder out, but yeah. It's like, Oh yeah, I have an.
IPhone. I should have done that.
What am I doing? You got to go back.
Yeah, all. Right, see you.

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OK, bye. SO yeah, let's go ahead and talk
about, well, no, I'm not going to talk about that yet.
We should just kind of describe what, like a normal day there on
a mission trip, not like to livethere.
Yeah, looked like. So ours was a little bit
different because you were thereduring the school year and we

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were there just during like summer free time and stuff.
So you should that it was hot. I didn't think of that.
Oh yeah, cuz you're in the. Mountains.
That's so nice. Yeah, yeah.
When we were there coming back here, we were like, what org?
I guess like 12 at night in Louisville and it was just
steaming, right? And that was like, not even the
worst. Yeah, well, I didn't even notice

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it that night. To be fair.
I noticed the next day. And then I realized that
apparently we were in this crazyheat wave thing cuz Tookie.
Yeah. It's hot but there it was like,
I mean 70s low 80s every day andthe sun was like out just enough
to make you happy but not enoughto make you mad.
Yeah, that's how it was when we were there sometimes.
At most of the time it was raining though, because I think

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a little bit they have like wet and dry season.
Apparently we were there at the wet season and when it wasn't
raining, it was humid. It was so humid even though it
was hot. Yeah.
And it was there was, it was nice.
It was really nice. There's.
Definitely the mountains becausethe last day when we went out of
the mountains down pass away by Arona, it was pretty warm that

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day wasn't like unbearable, still better than here be just
crazy, but definitely the mountains played a lot.
Oh, yeah. And, and then when we went to
the beach, it was really hot because then we come down from
mountains. But and then it was humid enough
to where when it rained, no one really mind.
I don't think there was ever a time when we're there where we

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weren't wet. Yeah, that was not our
experience, sorry. It was it, Well, I mean just
either like sweaty or or. They're definitely split.
This way a little bit. Of blood.
Either way, it's I'm making it sound worse than it was.
It was actually really nice weather, but and why do we even

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start talking about the weather?So the IT was So what was your
experience there during you should go first full years.
OK. What?
It looked like an average day for you and then Isaiah can tell
like what it looked like for us,an average day.
OK, it's two different experiences for us.
We a lot of days, this was an everyday, but most days we went
to a school and we just hung outwith the kids and we had the

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translators there and the kids knew a little bit of English,
but not much. And I was the only one who knew
any Spanish and I don't know hardly any Spanish.
So but we had the translators there.
So we just hung out with the kids for a little bit and then
we tell them a Bible story. And every day we did the story
of Jonah and the whale. We went to different schools, so
it was only they're hearing the same story over and over.

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But we have one person tell the story and then we'd have other
people act out the story as they're telling the story, which
is pretty fun. And, and then we give the kids
like cookies and, and juice and,and we just hang out with them
some more and then we leave and we then we, we're going into the

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village and passing out beans and rice.
So we're going door to door and doing like this beans and rice
evangelism. So we'll go door to door and
we'll. Well, we're not knock on their
door. Most of them have their doors
open, but we'll go out to them and the translators will be
like, hey, can we we want to give you a gift.

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And and they would invite us in their own before.
Well, and I'll let Joel talk about that because I think you
guys did that too, right? But yeah, that's just kind of
how it looked like for us to school and then and then the
beans and rice. What did evenings look like for
you? Like what it morning and
evenings I guess like just get up your breakfast like normal

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and then yeah. Did you do anything in the
evening like like chill out or like?
Sometimes we'd go play basketball, not me, but
sometimes the other guys would go play basketball or we just
hang out in the yard. Nothing special.
Sweet. Yeah.
Yeah. Your day was honestly kind of

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like ours just flipped. So we started off our days with
around 9:00 AM after we eat breakfast, we'd go do rice and
beans. So we take a bus got dropped off
throughout the week about four different communities.
And then, you know, we split up into four groups and I think,

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well, last couple days might be like three groups because we
lost translator. He's fine and I, but I would
split up and then we did rice and beans from about 9:30, ten
until like 11:30, almost 12. And then right after that we'd

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get back to the house, eat lunchand kind of have some downtime
to just chill at the house, you know, do whatever until about
2:00. We would go to maybe the same
community, maybe different, and three days, like we partnered
with a different church. Like one of them was Pastor
Matteo's church. Then the other two days is a

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different church. And we would go around that
community, invite kids to the church, you know, a little bit
later. And so then around 4:00 or so, I
might have been early to do that, I'm not sure.
Basically, we would kind of do what you guys did and vitamin.
They'd have like a service, you know, they'd sing these yeah

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songs. I don't know but when I.
Did you guys do that one? No, it was so cool.
Yeah. And so like, we could do that.
We follow that, but then everything else we're like, I
don't know if they're saying, but they love it.
Yeah. So they did a couple of songs
and then we did a skit as well. We did each day David, David and

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Goliath, and it was part of Goliath.
I was the bottom from. Paxton was the I was lowly
Israelite soldier. So but I I was really cheering
hard for my David, but did a skit and then we had soon who
was with us, Jake Johnson, sharea Bible story with him because

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he read it in Spanish in the Spanish Bible, which is cool.
And then we just opened it up tolike free time games.
They'd made bracelets, got face painting, play basketball or
whatever. And they also had the cookies
and the juice, which they love Google.
So yeah. And then at that was, you know,

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took a couple hours and after that we just go back to the
house and have dinner, kind of chill and then had like our
team, you know, like a group discussion group.
Oh yeah, we're this year, yeah. Yeah, like night, you know,
around 7-8 o'clock. So then it was just kind of
hanging up from there lots of the time that the house is

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really just like, yeah, do what you want.
Like we especially him do a lot.Yeah, we were outside a lot
playing like 4 squares. You lay a four square in the
dirt and some volleyball is hitting the volleyball around,
kicking soccer ball because we had a couple youth with us, so
that was real fun. But yeah, it was cool.

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Yeah, yeah, it sounds a lot likewhat we did.
And and so let's talk about the the beans and rice.
We eat rice and beans. Rice and beans.
Pretty sure it's beans. I knew there was going to be an
issue there. Is that what you all called it?
I don't know. That's what I call it.
We caught it. Everyone's a rice and beans.

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So now it's like, it sounds likea completely different thing.
Beans, rice, rice and some. Ticks.
These and rice. Rice and beans.
Let's talk about the the, the food stuff.
The food stuff, Yeah. So what about the rice and
beans? Like how are you going to do
evangelism through rice and beans?

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So basically in that culture, like, I mean, obviously we
touched on that, but like hospitality is a really big
thing. And so from what I from what I
gathered, like going to someone's house with a meal like
rice and beans specifically, that would be kind of like a not
a house warming gift. But you know, it'd be like, hey,
you know, just want to say hi orwhatever, really just bless you
with this. And so that was normal for them

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and like customary. And so going to that, that would
be kind of like our step into evangelism, you know, like we
would go and go, hey, you know, we're just in the neighborhood.
It's kind of awkward 'cause it'slike, Oh yeah, we're just these
Americans that were walking around your neighborhood.
It's like, how does that happen?But we would just go and be
like, you know, we're just praying for people talking to
them about the Lord, like want to know how we could, you know,

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encourage you just your bunch ofstory, just all the kind of
stuff, you know. Then we would give them the meal
and just kind of plant there forgenerally 1050 what maybe 1520
minutes ish each house 1050 like.
Were you all in the same group? A lot longer.
Yeah, yeah. For the whole time.
Yeah, for the whole time they were.
And so, yeah, we were just talking to people.

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Some of it turned into like gospel conversations.
Some of it turned into like global church conversations.
You know, some of it, like it was just all over the board, but
it was really cool. And they would always be very
welcoming, even if they were like, yeah, I'm not going to be
a Christian or right, I'm not sure, you know, whatever.
It just was very honest, open conversations.

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And so we kind of did a lot of back and forth.
I think like some of us, especially to start off with, it
was like, OK, who's going to go first, you know?
And we all made the oldest, oldest gentleman who is the most
seasoned in our group go 1st. And Joe, yeah, yeah, because he
has a little bit more experiencethan us than that.
But then after that, I was like,OK, like who's going next?
I was like, I guess I will like,you know, so there's one by one.

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But then we also like played into each other.
And if someone's like, I literally have nothing, like I
would do that, like just like a total brain fart.
And then as I would jump in and help out and like, right.
So it was a lot of just like, you know, trying to just present
the gospel in a, in a, you know,truthful, accurate way, you
know, show them love and kindness, like really feel like,
OK, you know, Holy Spirit, like where what are you wanting us to

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say? You know, and stuff.
There's a lot of, especially with Isaiah and Joe jumping,
like pulling out scriptures and being like, hey, like, yeah,
here's this, you know, and stuff.
And but, yeah, then at the end, we was always pray for them, you
know, whether they were like, open to Christianity or not, you
know, and just ask how we could pray for them.
And a lot of it was just, you know, our families, or if it was

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Christians, they'd be like, our families are Christian or, you
know, like, health or just whatever.
Yeah. Then we just moved down the
street. And then we just literally,
like, go to the next house. And so they probably heard us
coming. And they're like, please pass,
Please pass where we just, like,came up into their yard and
stuff. Sorry.
It was that on repeat. But yeah, at first it was very
scary. But then it got to be honestly

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pretty fun. Yeah.
And do you have anything to add to that?
No, I feel the same way. Yeah, it was intimidating at
first, but definitely by the second day, it was just kind of
like you knew what was expected.And, you know, then you just
every encounter you got more warmed up to the fact that,
well, these people are just friendly.

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Like they're even if they like aren't the most cheery person,
they're not going to like bite us, you know?
Right. And they helped have the
translators, obviously, not justbecause I translated, but just.
Load your stuff, yeah. But I think just like to have
they I felt like they kind of bridge the gap, like culturally

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speaking. Like it just felt like, you
know, like like, hey, you know, almost like hey, like we're with
them. So it you translator say like
we're you know, they're with us as yeah, they're what you're
different. But like, you know, kind of like
they vouch where it's like, hey,hear what these people have to
say, right? Unless it's kind of how I get
spelled. But yeah, share everything that

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they said that for sure. Yeah.
And then you have that kind of in with the rice and beans say
we find you a gift. And so I kind of got the feeling
they would have invited us in without the.
Rice. Oh, definitely.
So, I mean, were you all kind ofsurprised by their hospitality?
I was, I think like, maybe not surprised by it, but it

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definitely was very refreshing and definitely like, you're
aware that this is not normal asan American, you know, like, you
know, like, I don't know. Well, yeah, that's.
Just my opinion. What?
What did that hospitality look like?
Well, I mean, our second ever person.

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Well, the first people we had talked to, two ladies invited us
in, right? So like it's, you know, one
thing, staying outside in your yard and talk, but they invited
us in their house. So that's like obviously very
hospitable that most people heredon't do.
And then the second man, we almost didn't get away from him
because he loved talking to us so much.

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Like literally the translator, he would be talking to her and
well, just talking in general, like with his biggest smile on
his face. And she would look at me and
just kind of like nod, as in like, keep talking because if
you don't keep talking, he's just going to keep talking.
Because he was just like talkingabout how happy he was ACS.
And it ended up being really awesome because, like he said,

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he didn't have any food and, youknow, him had just been thinking
about, you know, these Americanswho visited him a few years back
and I haven't seen him in a while.
It was really awesome. But like, clearly, like just you
had overwhelming joy. Like you see us.
And like, I think that was like a big part of the hospitality.
It was like, yeah, it's one thing to welcome you in and

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stuff, but like, you'd see like,it actually meant something.
A lot of these people like they were actually, they actually did
care and were happy to bring youinto their household.
And you would see that when you got in there by like, you know
how they like just pay attentionto you and like listen intently
and then you have to give him hugs after and stuff.

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And then like they were even like they made sure you had a
chair. Like they wouldn't, they weren't
standing or they weren't sittingif you had to stand even like,
you know, a couple of like one guy, like three of us offered up
our chair to him and he's just like, no, and he's even holding
his little baby. And just like so like they
clearly like, you know, I don't think that's because they

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thought we were better than him.They just were like, these are
my guests. Like I'm going to treat them
kindly. And it wasn't even like, you
know, they forced it. Like he could tell it was just
like second nature, like that's just how they were raised and
they knew to just treat these people well, so.
Yeah, I mean, you go to America and knock on Tillman's door and

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it's like, what do you want? Yeah, we could go do it.
We could test it right now, yeah.
We should live on the street. There's really, like, all kinds
of houses. Right here at 7:30 in the
morning, Rice and beans. What's the equivalent of rice
and beans here? McDonald's chicken Nuggets and
fries? Oh listen, if I show up on your

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doorstep with a with a Donald's meal, you better remind me.
Yeah, that. That's all I'm saying.
I love McDonald's. This is tangent, but I had to
mention the story. It has nothing.
I mean, it's kind of hospitality.
It was just, they were very welcoming, especially when we
got to be like more comfortable and just started acting very
American because everybody lovedIsaiah and Alyssa because

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they're like the newlyweds. They're just fun, whatever.
But we called them Isaii and Elisa.
He's. Striking a little bit.
No, I am not stretching it at all.
Maria loved you, Rosalina loved you like all of And so I can't
remember what the name was it. I can't remember who it was, but
we went to these people's housesone of the last days and like
they're bustling in the kitchen,you know, about to come out and

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talk with. Us, Maria, wasn't it?
Maybe it was, I'm not sure. No, but.
It was it was this lady with herlike her daughter and then her
like niece and then her grand. I don't know.
Anyway, it was this whole familything.
But she was like, she's like, I'll be right with you or
whatever, you know, and talking.The translator is translating.
But then you hear her calling her grandson and she's like,

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he's sorry you couldn't hear whatever.
And Isaiah is like, what's my name?
So he literally just perks up and shouts to the front door.
Mama. He's like Mama Mika's up and
we're like what are you doing? So the lady comes out and he's
like, my name is He said he translated and she's just like,
oh this is great. She's all giving Isaiah a hug
and Alyssa hug. It was just insane.

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And then she has her daughter come out and she's like it's he
said you know, like they have the real.
He said he come out and he's like this 14 year old kid that
is not out like he was so. Embarrassed here he was like,
yeah, they definitely forced himto come out.
It's like. You know when.
We were gifted gifts from like relatives as a kid and your
parents like forced to go. Then he was definitely forced to

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come out and not take a picture of them.
And he's just like. All the adults loved it.
They were just, they were, they just went along with it so much
and they just enjoyed it. Like it was just, I don't know,
just joy and like happiness. Like that's a huge theme there.
Even when we weren't being really stupid and like crazy,
like they just all were really jolly and very welcoming.
Yeah, I think it is. It shows a lot too that like, I

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don't know, I think it made it easier to like, you know, talk
with them and be comfortable too.
When you realize that they were kind of like the same in that
they found, like the same thingsfunny.
Like. OK, yeah.
You know, they also find it funny when we have the same
names and they found it funny. Like, you know, when we try to,

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you know, there's a couple timeswhere we try to speak Spanish
and we get a poorly and then they laugh out of it.
And you know, there's a couple times where they ever try to,
you know, we have a couple ladies, I think, try to speak
English and they just terribly. And we laughed, but they laughed
too. And it's just like, I think when
you realize it, like, hey, like we're all, you know, we're
different, but you know, we cannot.
We still love each other. I think that was pretty cool.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that is another thing I saw
there just kind of surprise me 'cause the cultures are totally
different, but there's still that human connection there.
Yeah, Yeah. I don't have much this.
I mean I don't have any more to say on that but if y'all wanted

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to add to that or anything I. Don't think I don't want to
cover it up. On that, I do think in in the
sense that I I remember a lot ofit, but all a lot of the rice
and beans and rice, whatever, vice versa.
A lot of that ministry is kind of a blur just because it was
like, you know, house to house to house house.

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You know, a couple of them I vividly remember, but so maybe
Isaiah remembers it better than I do.
But for my general recollection,a lot of our conversation and
maybe about half and half a lot of them were with people who are
unsure or non Christians or maybe Christians but kind of on
the verge that you whatever, youknow, But and so from them

(36:19):
definitely was all the hospitality and everything.
But then it was also equally as cool and like, even more
encouraging when you talk to thepeople who like, know, I am a
Christian. You know, that felt really
edifying in the sense that, I don't know, you could just tell.
Like it was just kind of like what Isaiah was saying, like
we're totally different, but we're totally the same.
You know, we're all humans, We're all made by God and we're

(36:39):
all like brothers and sisters and mothers and sons, you know,
all in the body of Christ. And so there are some
conversations we had with some of the Christians there that
were, you know, living the exactsame situation as the other
people, you know, and like, dealing with the exact same
things and dealing with the exact same issues and stuff.
But but just their faith was so beautiful.

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And yeah, understanding. I was like, oh, wow.
Like, do I actually understand the gospel?
You know, like it was just that was really, really cool.
So when it took it from like even just the the hospitality,
human connection sense, when it took it up a notch with like
the, you know, spiritual, you know, family of Christ sense,
Yeah, that was really epic to see.

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And so we had some conversationsthat were like, wow.
Like, I feel like I'm the one that was, you know, blessed by
this and like, but yeah, yeah, Iknow that was tangent.
Yeah, I think, well, going off of that, you know how how he
mentioned that like some people were like pretty half and half,
like they like kind of knew whatit meant to be a Christian.

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And like, I thought one thing that we had a member say to me,
there was our team. He said.
He was like, you know, I do appreciate one thing.
If nothing else, they aren't hypocrites because a lot of them
like straight up knew like, 'cause we'd be like, you know,
this is what it takes to follow Christ, right?
Like you have to give up all these things.

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You have to accept him as a wordand savior and this and that.
And they'd be like, yeah, they're like, Are you ready to
do that today? No.
And they would say no because they weren't ready to give up
their sins. Like specifically the two big
ones were alcohol and rooster fighting.
So we know if that y'all encountered that you have those
things. Yeah, but like, I, I think that

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says a lot about that those people that while it's like
obviously disappointing and upsetting that they were like,
no, I don't want to accept Christ today that they knew.
It's because like that that's they, I mean, they really do
have some like honor in there, you know, because they're like,
well, I'm, I'm not done with this, you know, right.

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I got a top champion rooster over here and he's still got
some some wins in him. So I'm not done.
Yeah, so not now, but I think that's really cool because here
I think that there's so many Christians and I've struggled
with this before that you like, you know, especially when you
start off in your, in your faiththat you try to do both.
Like you try to have Christ and you try to have sin, but like

(39:10):
you can ever have both. And I think they know that.
And it's like that's really key,honestly.
So it's like stinks that you're not accepting Christ right now,
honestly. Like, you know, obviously the
time is right when it is, you know, like God has the timing,
but it's like when they do, I think it's much more genuine

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because, you know, that means they're ready to, you know, put
those sins away and confess them.
So just, yeah, just to mention that I thought that was really
cool. Then I was curious to see if
y'all had, you know, similar problems.
I thought the the rooster fighting was unexpected and
crazy. Right.
No, we got the same thing. People telling us that they
can't follow Jesus because they're involved in illegal cock

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fights and and you see these arenas like it's right there in
front of you. And I think it's kind of funny.
And, and we asked, we asked the our translators were like point,
go see a cockpit. And he's like, no, they're only
on Sundays and you guys aren't going to be here on Sunday.
Like that was the reason we couldn't go because they

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wouldn't be there. And it was.
The Lord's Day. Yeah, but I think we figured out
that I could be wrong on this, but that the the fights
themselves weren't illegal, but then people go and gamble on
them and then that's illegal. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean. I can't remember if they were

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saying dad or saying like from awife.
Standpoint, I can see that, but I think still from a moral
standpoint, it's a little because and so we had, you know,
Andy Norris was our team leader and he made some really good
points whenever we kind of as a group, like all realize like,
oh, well, this is what everybody's dealing with is
having a lot of people who are not wanting to give up their
Roosters. And he was like, you know, it's,

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you know, it sounds crazy, but it's not that different than
what we have back home. Like, you know, they what do
they get from rooster fighting? They get fame, you know, and you
know, they get seen by the community.
They get money and wealth and they get, you know, just that
thrill of entertainment and stuff like that.
And so it's like really like a couple of different like sins

(41:20):
right there that like even my myself, I struggled with because
you know, like when I think of sports, you know, I watch lots
of sports. I'm going to jersey right now
and it's like really kind of thesame thing.
Like that's kind of like a sport, you know.
So like I when I watch my teams play and they win, I have, you
know, I can get sense of pride and the ego and, you know, also

(41:41):
like, you know, we, you know, bad stuff, right?
So like I'm seeking to like makewealth because, you know, that
means, oh, I can buy that jerseynext time, you know.
And so it's like you're chasing after stuff.
It's not so different from what they are.
And like the I guess the root sin, it just looks a lot
different in the outside becauseyou're like, well, we definitely

(42:01):
do. Don't do that here, which you
can probably do. But yeah, now that so.
But it was cool that Andy was ever to make that connection
though. Yeah, that is cool.
That isn't something I thought about that on the outside, what
they're doing looks different than what we're doing, but it's
still the same route. Yes, and same sentence.
Yeah. But yeah, I mean, there was just

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a whole lot of honesty when we would talk to people, and it
wasn't always just cock fighting.
But then also like you're saying, there is like drinking.
Those are the only two examples I can think of.
Yeah, those are really the. It looks.
Common. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we did come across a guywith a gunshot in his leg.
So someone's attempting murder. Wow.

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But yeah, a lot of a common theme, and this wasn't, this is
kind of the opposite side, I guess, a mistruth or a lie that
they believe. But a lot of the women that we
encountered would say, I used tobe a Christian or I'm not a
Christian. And the reason for both of those
is because I don't wear a long dress, because I have a tattoo,
because I have earrings or something.

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And that was a big thing like, whoa, like yes, we have that
here in America. I mean, that's everywhere, you
know that. And there's debate there, you
know, like, yes, there's modestyand yes, it just all the stuff.
But in and of itself for them, that was a salvation related
issue. And they're like, because I

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don't dress or walk or talk likethis, I can't be a Christian.
It wasn't even that I don't wantto or whatever, you know, it was
like, well, I, I couldn't even if I did want to, you know, and
it was like a lot of the women, like Alyssa and Hillary
Patterson, like on our teams, they did a really good job of
like, no, like, look at us, you know, like, you know, we're yes,
we're wearing long dresses, you know, to respect your culture.

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But you know, we have tattoos. We we, you know, we have long
like all the stuff. And it was just really sad
because that was something in that culture of honesty upfront
about religion and people who say whether they're Christians
or not, they know, you know, the, the Acts or whatever.
It was sad that that was what was being paraded as the gospel

(44:10):
or as truth. You know, it's like it's like
for. Here we have.
That and, you know, we can choose to believe it or not, you
know, we have options, but for those particular people that
didn't have those options because that's all they've ever
heard and then that was keeping them from actually coming to
faith in Christ was like, no, like that's, that's the, you
know, that's not even the point,you know, that's not on the

(44:32):
spectrum right now. The point is like, you know, are
you a Sinner? Do you need a savior?
Like, but they couldn't see thatbecause they've been lied to,
whether by, you know, legitimatefalse teachers or Christians
who've been LED astray, you know, And so that was pretty,
pretty discouraging, you know, like very what's the word?

(44:54):
Like? It definitely was very made you
think, I guess brought the mood down when you realize there are
these people there that aren't they're not against
Christianity, but they think that, you know, they can't come
to come to heist. And that's the same here.
It's just you never have people that are that honest and say

(45:14):
that or, or that care, you know,that much about it.
But that was another common theme, I thought, on the
opposite side, where it's like not something that they were
keeping for themselves, but something that they felt was
keeping them away. Some most discouraging thing.
About it is. That there is still people there
that are like teaching that likeprobably like whole churches

(45:37):
too. So I think there's a couple of
them. So that they like heard it from
a church back. They felt like they weren't,
couldn't go to that church because that's what they
believed. And so like that's.
Discouraging 'cause like, yeah, like we got to go to these
ladies and tell them what the Bible says and you know, Jesus
doesn't care about that stuff and you know a lot of them.

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Actually. Kind of were persuaded and a
couple of them even accepted Christ after that's great.
But you know, you still still don't know who's like spreading
that. You know it's.
Not like we have to talk to themand convince them otherwise.
So like that's definitely still going to be a very rampant
problem there, which that was, you know, like Nate said, you

(46:21):
know, we deal with that here. But it was it was kind of odd to
see how much mysterious it. Is there and I wonder if.
It's because, you know, with them.
Not being as. I guess wealthy of a country
that, you know, 'cause I feel like that's like older
Christianity, you know, like at least like that's how it used to
be like here. I would imagine, like that was

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big, you know, slowly over the years, like that's less and less
of a thing here. And so I think that'll be the
case. They're just, you know, they're
just spread your back in that time frame.
So yeah, it's a lot of legalism.Oh, yeah, yeah.
And I love history. I like looking at history.
I will. I'll try not to stay here.

(47:05):
I like history. But just a lot of.
What you see, like exactly what you're saying, Isaiah, when you
look back at Christian history, even the past hundred, 200
years, is a lot of legalism and the Catholic Church.
And I am not Catholic. I've never been Catholic.
I don't know every single thing about Catholicism and I'm not

(47:28):
going to make assumptions here, but from what I can see that
it's very largely works based. And that was the predominant
faction of Christianity. For centuries.
And, and then you've got everything else that was kind of
built off of that. And even when you look at like
early American history and you've got like, like the, the

(47:51):
Protestants and the, and the Quakers and, and even like early
Baptist and everything is very focused on.
Works and of course there is. Always that element there of
like salvation and faith and andbeing saved by Christ, but I'm
not. An old person or anything?
But when I look back at history,it seems to me kind of like only

(48:14):
more recently have we really putthis emphasis on saved by faith
alone. And then, as you're saying, a
culture like that, third world, 5th world, whatever it is, third
world, Haiti, it's 5th world. I get those two confused.
There's fifth world countries. Yeah, I thought it honestly went
to like Third World. So did I, and then Fourth World

(48:35):
I guess. I don't know 4th world is the
5th world I guess is like third world is undeveloped countries
that need help like the Dr. and then fifth world country.
Is an undeveloped country that. You can't help.
Like Haiti. It's bad.
Yeah, yeah. And that doesn't mean you can't
help them. It's.
Like the officially, officially it's like a lost cause or

(48:58):
something, which I don't think they should say that, but it is
behind. It's like farther back.
Like I, I don't know. I know what you're saying, yeah,
but in the same way that. Like.
If something is popular in America then it it becomes

(49:19):
popular overseas and then it like the larger and more like in
front of the country. A country is.
Like, the sooner it picks up on stuff.
And then other countries that like, like when we're there in
Poland, no one got the news. No one was on a phone.

(49:43):
Yeah, hardly ever. Nobody's like what they're being
told. Nobody.
Was ever. Going to telling them the actual
truth until we got there. And even now because we're not
there, you know, 24/7, obviouslyit's up to them now those who do
know the truth to go and that, you know, that's how it works.

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So like, it's just like, you know, but like you said, like
it's really up to them. Like they can't go online and
like, you know, hear these things like, yeah, like some men
have phones and stuff, but sure,it's still kind of difficult to
like, actually go online and look at these, you know, treats
and stuff. And that just makes it much
harder for them to realize what is true and that, you know,

(50:28):
that's why we go really, you know, mission ships, 'cause you
know, they don't, you know, likeif I was says like they don't,
you know, who's who's going to go?
Like, you know, these, you know,these people basically that need
to be, you need to save, you need to know the gospel and
like, who am I going to send? Like the, you know, the, the
harvest, what does it say? Like the harvest is plentiful,

(50:49):
but like the, the laborers are few.
Like there's a reason. Like we, you know, we're
supposed to go and then, as you know, we sell those or we spread
those seeds, you know? Then new.
Believers are created, then theycan start sharing the gospel
there. So it's like, you know, baby
steps, you know, and that's kindof how it worked for us.

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You know, we're just so far intothat, you know, where we are
that if you don't, we didn't notice those, like, rarest
fruits of, you know, people who,you know, share the gospel.
So. Yeah.
So I shouldn't? Say no one had a phone, there
were like all the translators didn't stuff.
But when we're around village, Ididn't see.
Yeah, I don't know if it is then.

(51:31):
I think yeah, most of the transit areas from like
Baharona, which is a little bit nicer.
So I think I think them they're able to they're able to secure
phones and some but and there was cell.
Service there a little bit. They had TV's so I wonder what
they're watching. Too.
Oh, they did. Yeah, we saw TV's in some

(51:51):
houses. I think they have a lot of
satellite dishes, so they probably not, you know, like,
yeah, so I shouldn't like Internet, you know, and stuff
like that that we have. But so they might actually like
to be fair, they might get a news channel.
I don't really know. Like, OK, I don't know, you
know, they have words. But typically if you have like
satellite dish here, like you'regoing to get the basic news

(52:14):
channel that's right in your area, so.
One thing I thought like kind of.
I. Guess going.
Off with. What you.
Had said about, you know, the. Seeds and everything.
Like that was one thing that I thought was really cool.
And because whenever our group went down, they were like, hey,

(52:34):
don't say you're from Pleasant Valley in Owensboro.
You know, it's like, I mean, obviously we're from America, so
we kind of had, you know, say, hey, you know, but but they're
like, you know, don't promote your church.
Promote the local church, you know, specifically Pastor Mateo,
because they're like, we know hepreaches the gospel.
We know he preaches truth and soif people have more questions or
do come to faith or what discipleship or whatever, like

(52:56):
we're going to send him to or he's going to, you know, go to
them, you know, and I thought that was really cool because it
wasn't because you can think like, oh.
I'm doing great, you know, I'm. Going on a mission trip, this is
awesome and yes, it's awesome and everything but but we're not
the, you know, we're a small part in the long game that God's
playing there and yes, people can come to salvation.

(53:17):
You know, it like instantly and just all that stuff.
But, but, you know, looking at it as a whole, like the
translators, I, I think of them often now since we left.
And it's like they're the ones who are going to have to deal
with their own people. You know, they're the ones that
are going to have to continue tobe that light and to continue to
be honest and have these conversations And, and the
Christians that we talked to, you know, at their homes, like

(53:39):
they're the ones that are still going to have to struggle
through it and, you know, keep being, you know, persistent in
the faith and going to church and Pastor Matteo is going to
have to keep preaching the truthand, you know, just all the
things like, and so it really puts a highlight on like the
local church and the importance of it.
And that it's not just like, oh,get a convert.
You know, it's like, no, we're making disciples.

(53:59):
You know, like, we're all disciples.
Like, just like they need to be faithful and pursue Christ and
be 1. Like we need to be faithful and
pursue Christ and be 1 and not be distracted and all the
things. And so I thought they had a
really cool emphasis on that. And even I was, I'm, I'm
starting to understand the wholedynamic of the mission house and
the translators and like, the residents, all the stuff.

(54:21):
But at the time I was really confused.
But I learned that they aren't all from the same place, you
know, like a couple of barjona, just all this different stuff.
Some people stay there, but the translators, Yeah, yeah.
There was this sense. Though that they were all part
of the same family. And yes, they knew each other
because they work together sometimes, you know, but it was
just this sense like know where the church in the Dominican,

(54:43):
even though we're separated by like 3 hours, you know, for this
week, we're working together. And so we're like family, you
know, and they even brought us into that, you know, And so I
just thought that was really cool to see the, the emphasis on
like on the need of the church body, but also that they were
like, hey, like they understood it.
They're like don't, don't just make Christians, you know, make

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disciples, like, you know, pointthem to Christ through the
church, you know, like point them to the, to Christ through
the body. Like, yeah, yeah.
I thought that was a very wise move.
Like 1. I had yeah, I would never have
thought of. It's like, hey, if you want to
go to church, you need to. Get Facebook and tune into OSU
Valley every week on VCs and it's not so like.

(55:29):
Even. I lived in Heavensville or in
Newburgh for majority of my lifeand, and about the last year
that we lived there, we drive the Pleasant Valley 45 minutes
every week to go to Pleasant Valley when we lived in a
different city, in a different state.
And even that wasn't healthy. And like, it's really important

(55:51):
to be in your local community and involved in the local
church, which is part of the global church.
Yeah, at least once every episode I'll forget something.

(56:13):
Oh yeah, I just, I wanted to. Hit on 'cause I don't think we
really touched on this enough about just the how happy they
are there. 'Cause we.
We've talked a lot about like people some.
People not wanting to go to. Church or feeling like they
can't go to church and just how bad they've got there.

(56:35):
Compared to how things? Are here.
But despite all that, it seemed almost everyone we talked to was
unreasonably happy. Unreasonably.
Happy. Yeah, it's a good way to
describe it. Yeah, even on the streets.
Like because we live in. Kind of a farming.

(56:56):
Community, so our here at home, not in our home, but our our dad
was always like, you know, wave to people, you know, when you
drive by them. And so we do.
And, you know, closer to home, that's OK.
Even here in Ownsboro, Yeah, yeah.
But like, especially like you'rein Louisville or, you know, in a
different state where they're just waving at people.
Why are you waving at, you know,whatever.
But but. There it was totally the same.
Like people would be like Hola, you know, and you say Hola and

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then like the person sitting on the porch.
And so you'd say a lot of like, hey, you don't even know these
people. Yeah.
Change reaction. Yeah, yeah.
It was. Just like this pleasantness,
this and like, it wasn't, it wasn't forced.
It wasn't fate, you know, not that.
It was just like, oh, hey, everyone coming up kissing you,
whatever. But but it it, you know,
everyone was very welcoming. And if we had stopped at every

(57:37):
single person's house and talkedwith them, most of the people
would have been, you know, on the entire, that entire town
would have welcomed us in and, you know, treated us the same.
Yeah. And even the kids like the kid,
like you would look at them and you'd be like, oh man, like that
kid obviously has this like health issue.
That kid obviously, you know, doesn't have a lot of clothes,
whatever, you know, but the kidsdidn't care.

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Like the kids were just so like we're just like, well, Americans
play with us, you know, and justlike teasing us and like just
going crazy and everything. And so I don't know, it was
just, it definitely was like that.
I think that, and the fact is having that for one week, that
constant church influence and community for them and for
myself. I think secondly, the the part

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that I miss the most is just that just happiness, like the
welcoming that you know, and like, I know it was just it was
pretty cool. It's pretty cool experience
actually, you know, to to feel that just kindness and stuff and
to be able to, you know, try to reciprocate.
But think to the men there were.Like, you know, pretty nice as

(58:43):
well and like, you know, you think of men are supposed to be
like the more quiet, you know, less friendly, more brooding
type like here, but they are like they were, you know, they
wave at you as well, like they they, you know, and.
Smile. At you and go up to them, greet

(59:05):
them and stuff like that. So I think, like, that says a
lot that it's not that literallyis just their culture.
And it's not just like, you know, the woman and the kids are
like, you know, friendly. Like there's the guys who you
can even tell a lot of them are like working and stuff.
Like you see them drive past on trucks and, you know, things
like that. And you still wave at them.
They're waving back. You know, it's like in the

(59:26):
middle of work, you know, they're doing their thing and,
you know, but they still like, yeah, still going to wave at you
and smile. They're actually just, you know,
yeah, ignore you. And like we had very, very few
people who, and I would say it was probably more relevant.
In the Oh my gosh, Allie. 'S calling, say.

(59:49):
It's probably more relevant in the bigger cities like Barona,
but yeah. What is the Yeah you can take?
That out, Yeah, go ahead. We're going to take a quick
break, OK, we're back and we're talking about hospitality and.
I think one thing that I just really noticed was how poorly.

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They have it there. Materialistically, I don't even
know that that's a word, how poorly they have it there
compared to the average American.
And yet they're way more happierthan the average American.
And just the joy they have for life, just like you all were

(01:00:32):
talking about. It just kind of shows through
and everything they're doing. Just when you're walking down
the street, people saying hi andbig smile on their face and all
that. And it's counterintuitive
because they don't have as much.They don't have all this money
or all this stuff, but they're so much more thankful for what
they do have than we are for what we have.

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You all have any thoughts on that?
Not necessarily. An an addition it's.
It's just an observation, but there was one, these two ladies
that were sitting on a porch at their neighbors or something.
But we came up and get them riceand beans and talk with them.
And before we left, they were like, oh, we have a gift for
you. Really.
What? And like, you gave us this giant
bag full of bananas. I think that happened a second

(01:01:15):
time. Yeah.
We were gonna see bags. The bananas are.
So good. Did you guys?
Have one I never did which only got at.
Least one, one or two. Because you can just.
Go up to a banana train if it looks.
Good. They taught us how to figure out
which were good or not because they look different than our
bananas. It was like.
Different species, Yeah, I don'teven remember how to tell
anymore, but. You can just go up to 1 and eat

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one. Of course, it's got to be on
your property. But Oh my gosh, they were so
good. They were really sweet.
That was a good banana. Yeah.
And then they had, like, fried plantains.
The plantains. It was like the food there was
amazing. It was like.
A. Less salty hash brown.

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What they tasted like to me, I love.
Fried. Plantains you can get.
Those here in America, it's not as good as those.
Yeah, I think I've heard of plantains here before.
It just tastes like potatoes. Really like salty potatoes but
different. There's something, there's an
underlying, I don't know what itis.
My favorite meal was. I don't really know what it was,

(01:02:20):
but it was just like circular phony type.
Thing not. Flame you said baloney was
literally it. That's how I would describe.
It it was a circle of meat that looked similar to baloney slash
spam. Was it baloney?
What was that? You don't remember that?
It was with the like potatoes. They weren't actually potatoes.

(01:02:43):
I don't. Think it was like.
It was something that everyone said tastes like potatoes.
Oh, I've I remember the. Ad and the and the meat was
like. Literally like these circles,
like circles of like meat that like kind of resemble the taste
flavor profile like some fried Bologna or something.
I love your head. German Bologna.

(01:03:04):
Sandwich OK, I've said before onthe show, I've said many times
that I try not to talk about politics 'cause I will talk
about politics for a while. And I feel the same way about
food. I could talk about food for
awhile. Oh my gosh, I'm so hungry.
But the food there was perfect because it 'cause I love trying

(01:03:27):
new food. Wacky foods.
Like the best was when I went toa Korean hot pot 'cause it got
all sorts of wacky stuff there. I would talk about that for a
whole show. But I love trying new foods and
like foreign foods but I hate spicy food and it's hard to find
good foreign food that's not spicy because I'm way too white

(01:03:50):
for that. We.
We've the. America's dulled it down.
Yeah, but I don't know if it. Was just that they don't eat
spicy food there or that they purposely didn't make it spicy
for us. But it was great because it had
all the like exotic flavor. And and.
Which it wasn't super exotic food, but it was really good and

(01:04:13):
and it was definitely more some some of it was definitely more
American gear, but then also some of it was very Dominican
and but it wasn't spicy and I really appreciated that Like the
I would rather everyone just have food and it not be spicy.
And the next to the food you have hot sauce that you could
put on the food if you wanted to.

(01:04:33):
It's. Different though.
Well, it's different I they. They did do.
That though, but yeah, hot saucenext to some of them is the
exception for me with spicy food.
Is wasabi. I could eat plenty of wasabi,
like the green stuff. Yeah, you eat wasabi.
Oh yeah, but you don't like Thaifood.
No, it's different. Like man, it is got.
Spice and Asian spice. Wasabi doesn't even taste two

(01:04:54):
different things, so if anythingthe difference is that.
Wasabi's trash do not eat the pistachio ice.
Cream be it has turned. How old that movie where?
Is that from? Cars.
Cars 2. Oh yeah.
Major Do not eat. The pistachio.
Ice cream it has turned I love Larry the cables I am we are so

(01:05:17):
off topic That's alright there's.
Dr. Feed Yeah, the first episode.
That me and Nate recorded was three hours and we got off topic
many times and we rerecorded like on Sunday and it was one
hour, which means we had two hours of tangents.

(01:05:38):
Well, not really, because we didn't talk about classical
conversations. Yeah, that was maybe an hour
long. I think I rambled less on.
Where we were, we both rambled less until until.
One of us brought up Marvel. That is true.
But we. We didn't rambled too much so.
I'd say probably an hour of rambling in that original 3 hour
recording, but that file corrupted will give us the Lord
was like yeah just. Corrupt.

(01:06:00):
You guys would be a lot better off.
No one hideous. Yeah.
Thank you, Lord. Alright, so back on topic.
Hospitality, not hospitality, the the gratitude that they have
there. I think they really were
thankful. And you see this almost a cliche

(01:06:22):
at this point of material thingsisn't material things can't get
you happiness. And I always say cliches are
cliche for a reason, because that's totally true.
And that's so cliche. I.

(01:06:43):
Think that it's not. I think see.
Wow, you're breaking my brain here.
Because I can say. Cliches are cliche for a reason,
but how many times can I say that before it becomes cliche?
And then at that point, does it even mean anything?
I think cliche is an idea. And it now has a negative
connotation, but it doesn't. Yeah, it does have.

(01:07:04):
That's what I'm trying to say. Cliche has a negative
connotation, but I'm saying likethese things are drilled into
people's heads for a reason and we should kind of take a
different look at some of them, like from a different angle to
re realize that some of these things are true.
Not all cliches are true. If you're going to.

(01:07:24):
Time stamp This episode, it's going to be all like Dr.
Hospitality discussion on cliche, divine cliche.
We're getting really in the weeds here.
But one thing that you just see over and over again is whenever

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people. Talk about the Dr. Is wow, these
people are so happy when they don't have anything and I have
so much stuff and and I might not not be happy, but I see all
these people around me who have so much stuff and they're not
happy and it really is. I'm boggling.

(01:08:10):
Really. But it just kind of.
Shows you these people, they know and a lot of them are
Christians and they they know that they've got, they got
Christ, they got their family and that's it.
And they're happy with that. And those are like the two
biggest things there. What I saw, like, I feel like #1
was probably family. And then after that, a lot of

(01:08:32):
people really look to God as a source of happiness and hope.
And I don't know. It was really eye opening to me.
And so do you all have any like similar experiences to that I?
Think this is a little bit of a tangent, but you.
Want to learn about Raphael? Just thought that was cool, that

(01:08:53):
it was hospitable, but it was. Just a cool.
Spirit. Yeah, I think.
So, Raphael. Was probably my personal
favorite encounter. You can shut that blind if you
want. He's OK.
OK, I just noticed. The sun dash hitting you in the
eye walls this long time. I'm not a vampire, so luckily I
don't. Sparkle.
OK, well, I am. That's why I'm sitting over

(01:09:14):
here. Just can't.
Oh, have you seen? Have you seen that that movie?
Centers. Oh my gosh, that's a crazy
movie. It is about vampires.
You would never know that from watching the trailer or from
It's a bizarre movie because that movie came.
It did here. It was good.
It see everyone. It's doing.

(01:09:36):
Great. It's doing great.
It's. Not like from a well known the.
Only thing well known about it is Michael B Jordan.
I feel like there might have been one other famous actor but
I can't think of who it is. I think it is just Michael B
Jordan. As A or B listers go.
I'd say he's an A Lister but that movie got popular.

(01:09:58):
Because of word to mouth. Like it wasn't heavily marketed
or anything and it's doing really well because of people
are talking about it. And I personally, I feel like
there's different ways to gauge whether a movie is good or not.
I'm not going to get too many weeds on this, but I got to say
this. There's two ways to gauge
whether a. Movie is good or?
Not, and one of them is just to say yes, I liked it, no, I

(01:10:21):
didn't like it, and I'd say yes,I enjoyed it.
I would probably see it again someday.
But overall, I don't think it's a good movie.
It's so disjointed and it can't figure out what kind of movie
wants to be because the 1st 10 minutes are just straight
horror. There's jump scares.
It's like weird visuals and thenit's a drama.

(01:10:45):
It's like a period piece after that.
Nothing scary about it. There is like like this like
love triangle and you've got these two twins who are both
played by Michael B Jordan, which they should not have done.
Terrible decision. It feels very weird.
I think you should just start a movie.
Project. Oh my gosh, I'd love to do that.

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And then the second and then thelast hour of the movie.
This is an 2 hour long movie. It feels like 3 1/2 hours, which
I did appreciate. I love long movies.
The last hour is just like a vampire movie that I guess it's
supposed to be scary, but it's not.
And so they just completely lostthe horror element of it.
It's a very strange movie, and if they had just picked one of

(01:11:28):
those three things, it would have been fantastic.
Great soundtrack though. Great soundtrack though.
Oh my gosh, how you? Say.
I liked it. What do you say?
Everything you hate about it. But this is because you said the
word vampire. Man, it's not.
It's. The best part was the vampire
part to get your. Mouth rolling, Yeah.

(01:11:50):
It well also it's. 8:45 So thanks, have not started to get
serious in my brain yet. It's fair.
What time do they get serious? Probably like 8:45 PM.
And then I go to bed. Go to bed.
I'm like, there's some talk shit.
Man, all right. So you said vampires because I

(01:12:14):
was talking about the shades andI interrupted you by saying
that. You all right, Rafael?
So he's a ninja turtle? Yes, he's not a Ninja Turtle.
Is much cooler, yeah, but basically we just got done a
visiting with a lady and he. Hi, Shep.
Shepherd. Cameo.
That's my little brother. Alright, go ahead.

(01:12:36):
See. Or we just gotten done visiting
with the lady and we were walking away and one of our
translators was kind of up further with a couple members of
our group. And then we're about to pass
this guy's house and because it.Yeah, some of the houses there,
you don't really, they don't really look like houses.
So kind of don't really know. He takes his head out and was

(01:12:59):
like, you know, it's great talking to our one of our
translator, Johnny Kill. And that's where we're like, oh,
like Nya, you know, come back guys.
Like we got someone here. And so we walk in and he invites
us in and he's the one that madesure.
We like there was like. Eight of us and there was
literally a perfect amount of chairs for all of us around the
table. There's A to go in a group in

(01:13:20):
that group. The last, well, I was like the
last. Group had like 4.
People in it we. Started before, but then.
Yeah, we picked up. Yeah, but he made sure he all
had chairs and then we tried to offer up for chairs to him, but
you know, he was like, no, like I'm going to stand.
And he had just taken his he hadthree kids and he.
Had just taken the youngest out of the bath, so he's literally

(01:13:40):
holding this wet kid in a towel.Like he gave her to Hillary at
first, actually. And Hillary.
Hillary had a hold of him for a.Few minutes, but then he's.
I think maybe when he came to hestarted realizing it.
Where am. I so he's.
Sort of 1 and so, but then, you know, his dad picked him up

(01:14:01):
again and he stood, he was standing next to Nate and he
just stood there and just the way he like intentionally
listened, like I thought he was the dead.
The dead. Yeah, stood there and listened.
Yeah, he was definitely the mostintentional.
Encounter I think we had like heclearly was locked in on us and
what we had to say. Well, specifically Nate.

(01:14:23):
Nate ended up sharing his testimony with him, which was
really awesome and he was just locked in on every word and he
was like clearly like eager to hear it and just appreciated of
it. Just the fact that he was doing
that and you know, gave us all chairs and he's sitting here
hold his baby, pat his little butt.
You have comforted him at the same time, it was just really

(01:14:46):
inspiring that you know how how friendly he was and just yeah,
that. Level of hospitality.
When he was like, yeah, so busy.Like, you know, turns out he's,
you know, he's 3 little kids andhe was raising them with his
wife. But you know, his wife works and
he's staying at home. And it's how busy that is.
And he still took the time to invite like 7-8 people or

(01:15:09):
whatever it was and then be kindto them and go out of his way to
do that. And I don't know.
Just with. Such a small like house like
that and you so many responsibilities.
It's like, you know, he have. To do that.
And I don't, I don't think most people here would, you know, be

(01:15:31):
like, oh, I'm too busy. Like I can't refame this to my
friends because I'm too busy. I got 3 kids.
I got all this school stuff likenot time for you, but he like he
made time for whenever which wayyeah to be hospital to you and I
think. He ended up.
Being really, really awesome, I think he knew what we were there
for and like he just needed thathimself.

(01:15:52):
Like he needed, he wanted to hear yeah, what we had to say.
And so we needed to give him a Bible and it was really
encouraging and he kind of understood what it meant to be a
Christian. And I think he was about ready
to accept Christ. I mean, he, he wanted the Bible.
He, you know, says he wanted to like start reading it and stuff
like that. And even by one thing that

(01:16:14):
really stuck out that he said was he was like.
Yeah, he was like, I mean. Obviously this was translated,
but he said I couldn't imagine God's love for us if he gave up
his only son because he was like, I couldn't imagine him
giving any of my children. So like he clearly understood
what God did and related it to himself to like, yeah, I was

(01:16:36):
just, that was like, wow, like this guy, this guy kind of gets
it. Yeah.
So yeah, that was that was probably my favorite encounter.
Just his hospitality, his kindness, his joy to see us in
eagerness. To.
You know learn about what we aresharing was really really cool.
That's awesome. Yeah.

(01:16:56):
Just that visual he's. Sit standing there holding his
kid and and just saying. Like I can't imagine.
God loving us. So much that he'd give up.
His son, I could never give up my son.
And that's that's really cool. And he said his name was Rafael.

(01:17:17):
Yeah, which we didn't bring up the turtles.
We don't want to confuse all that's probably get a little
more straight. I mean, that confuses people
here who speak. English that could accuse me
for. Raphael, wait.
Until I tell you, you have a namesake.
Living in the series and easy right now because of that show
anytime. I learn about Renaissance

(01:17:38):
painters. I just can't.
You've got thinking, just can't.You can't learn about the.
Teenage Mutant Ninja shows. I haven't even watched that
show, that's how ingrained it isin this entities.
I've never watched anything. Teenage Mutant Ninja Trails,
nothing. Those movies, I was in the
letter, they're like. Kind of safe for us, you know?

(01:17:59):
Kind of weird now. 'Cause you're like outdated.
But I love them As a kid, I think I've never seen a live
action. Movie, but I think it looks
hilarious. Who?
Who? Signed off on that design.
The lot of those turtles. Now I'm talking about movies or,
or or food or politics or my girlfriend.
Turtles. Yeah, alright.

(01:18:22):
Did you guys? Well, I I have one other thing.
To say about. About the hospitality and the
happiness, there is, I think here in America there's and
this. Is one of the things that I love
about America. And what makes it so great is
that there's always. More.
To achieve and the way what? I'm do I don't mention vampires.

(01:18:51):
Oh yeah. The.
There's always more to achieve and there's there's always
another, a hail to climb. And no, there's a string on the
right. It does look like a pull one,
but it's not. It's a string.
Which pull ones are far superiorto strings anyway?

(01:19:13):
There's the way the capitalist society is built is like how
it's supposed to. Work is if you work.
Hard then you will be rewarded and you get money and then with
those money, and this is oh man,I can't remember that guy's
name, forget about it. But this with this money, you,
you get your material things. That you want, of course you get

(01:19:36):
your. Necessities then marketing.
Oh man, I'm really going to try not to give the weeds here.
Marketing. I don't want to say brain lush
marketing tells us that we need these material things and, and
really we just get wrapped up inthis cycle of, of doing more to
achieve more to get money to buythe things we want that we don't

(01:19:58):
need and that don't actually bring us happiness.
And they're in the Dr. They don't have that same
opportunity, which sucks, but atthe same time, in a way, it's
also a blessing. I don't know if it's a blessing,
but there is that silver lining there without that.
Same level of opportunity. I'm just saying there's no
opportunity at all. But with that, that same

(01:20:19):
ridiculous level of opportunity there, there isn't really an
option for them to be like, well, I'm just going to work
harder and and get a Gucci bag. They don't and they don't like,
that's not even it. I thought that would cross their
mind. And so that's not something that

(01:20:39):
they're striving after and that's something that they they
do end up getting. Then realize what this is
stupid. Why did I get this?
This is not bringing me happiness.
And then also with the marketing, of course there's
marketing there, There's marketing everywhere, but it's
not the same. And when you're in the big city,
you still see the billboards and, and all that.

(01:21:01):
But in, in the village we're at,there's nothing like that.
People are living their lives and and I I can't say this it's
so facto, but I mean, just whilewe're there.
I really had this feeling of like this is their whole world
is this village. Some people had never left the
village and they're like 80 years old.

(01:21:22):
I've never been outside Polo. That's incredible to me.
Yeah. So I mean if y'all have anything
else to add to that before we move on to the last thing I I
agree with the. That it is kind of like a
silver. Lining of it.
'Cause, you know, it's don't have like as many temptations

(01:21:42):
probably as as we do everywhere in general, which is nice.
So I mean that, yeah, it's a good way to look at it at least,
you know. Yeah, I think that's a better
way to put it, you know, unfortunate.
Is the reason why like you? Want them, Brian, the same
opportunities we do, but you know there are a lot of things

(01:22:03):
that they have been exposed to that are probably for the
better. Yeah, and and the way.
The American machine works can really benefit people, but it's
also been used to trick people. And to really benefit from it,
you have to know where those pitfalls are because it's full

(01:22:27):
of temptation and you got to yougot to know how to navigate it
correctly in a way that benefitsyou and not.
The other guys and not. Not the the other guys isn't
right. The the big guys.
That's another conversation for another time.
It's for your politics show. Yeah.

(01:22:52):
I'll take show. Hey, there's an idea.
I just got an idea 'cause that show I want to do is, do you see
that? I'm, I'm wanting to start a
second podcast that's like a news show, Daily News, but it's
only like 1520 minutes and called on all fronts.

(01:23:13):
And so we look at news from the point of view of like, OK,
what's the left saying about this?
What's the right saying about this?
And then what does the Bible sayabout this?
And that's what, where the most emphasis would be, I guess the
Bible and, and it would just be going over like the biggest news
stories, nothing super deep. And it, the idea isn't for it to

(01:23:35):
be a political commentary until we really get to the Bible, the
biblical part of it. And then even then we're kind of
going just surface level becausewe don't want it to be super
long, especially if we're tryingto do it every weekday.
But then this is the idea you just gave me.
Maybe like on the weekends, 'cause we weren't going to
record weeks. Maybe on weekends we could do
like political commentary or something.

(01:23:56):
I don't know, just an idea. You're welcome.
Thank you. So you gave.
Me an idea for that one you. Gave me an idea for the show
we're doing right now without even meaning to.
Who did I say I should hang out with you all more?
I mean, you should. Hey, yes, really not. 1.
That was well anyway, quickly move on from that.

(01:24:17):
So is there? Did I already ask if?
Y'all had anything else to add? Yeah.
Do you have anything to add so? The last thing I wanted to talk.
About and we can talk about morethan this afterwards, but when
we're in polo, there was the main part of polo and then
you're on this road or this dirtpath or whatever and you keep

(01:24:42):
going and you're in this like jungle, I guess rainforest, I
don't know and then you you. Keep going through this road
that. Goes through the rainforest and
then you get out on the other side, maybe 1/4 mile and you're
in another village, which is still part of Polo, but it's
kind of like it. Honestly, to me it all looked

(01:25:04):
the. Same, but it's kind of like the
the slums of polo, if that couldeven be a thing.
And that's where all. The Haitian people.
Live. Did y'all go over there?
So I don't, I don't know that weactually made it.
I was tracking with you, but I don't know, I might do that.
Yeah, I'm not a little sure. I know.
We. Met some Haitian people though

(01:25:27):
it was our first day we came across 2 and so we had two
translators, one of them spoke Spanish and English and the
other spoke Spanish and Creole and then Creole's with the.
Haitians speak, so he would end up translate.
It was kind of crazy, so. The local speak to Johnny Kell.
Johnny Kell translate the Creoleto Spanish for Naya.

(01:25:48):
Naya translate the Spanish to English for us.
So it was like, you know, yeah, a whole BM intelli.
That's kind of how it was for us, yeah.
But yeah, that was. Really, just the first day that
I think those are the only two Creole people we encountered.
Yeah, we went over there and it was.
Kind of scary it was in the woods.
No, it was you had to go throughthe woods to get there it.

(01:26:09):
Was kind of like sectioned off from the rest of Polo.
It wasn't too much. It definitely didn't.
Let's say, 'cause we have one group that whatever, we met back
the first day. They were coming from woods, but
they walked through them. Yeah, I'll walk through them.
Or is this a drive? No.
It was a walk, it wasn't too far.
Walk either and it's a big wide path with all cleared out.

(01:26:31):
It wasn't like hiking through the trees or anything.
But yeah, it wasn't. And I say scary, not like it.
It was less scary. It's kind of sad like that happy
thankfulness, all that that you see in polo is not there as
much, if at all. And we learned later that there
is actually a lot of racism towards the Haitian people in

(01:26:53):
the Dominican because of how Haiti is and.
And Polo is pretty close to the.Border of Haiti, like relative
to like Santa Domingo, right? It's not like right on it, but
yeah, we're far enough. Away to where it wasn't an
issue. But you're, you're there, you're

(01:27:14):
probably an hour away. And I mean, you, you cross the
border and you're dead. That's it a lot for a lot of
people. And Haiti is a crazy place.
And that's probably a whole podcast in itself.
And there was a missionary couple that I want to interview
on this show who lived in Haiti for a long time until the

(01:27:37):
president got killed or, or the I don't know if it's the
president, but the other leader got killed and now the gangs are
all in charge, but. Shoot, it's 9:00, OK, that's
where our. Sponsor kid For, you know,
compassion. Yeah, that's where ours lives,
Yeah. And there's a lot of racism.

(01:27:58):
Sorry, go in that I was just saying yeah.
Man that would be a cool episode.
Too, To have someone on from Compassion International, that's
a great ministry where you all go look that up.
Compassion International, you can sponsor a kid.
How much is it a month? 43 it's like. $47 yeah, and then

(01:28:20):
like 50 something in December for Christmas and even.
In some parts not in polo. But they're telling us, the
translators were telling us in some parts of the Dominican, the
Haitian people are slaves. Really.
Yeah. Which is illegal in in the
Dominican Republic. But the government turns a blind

(01:28:42):
eye towards Haitians being slaves because no one likes the
Haitians and our Dominican friends or the the the
translators weren't racist towards the Haitians but.
They they were really sad about the.
Racism for the Haitians and I think we even had one trade
until later, he was like half Haitian and well, our ours, one

(01:29:05):
of ours, Johnny. Kell like he was, he's running,
he he across the border. At some point, yeah.
But what's crazy is the the people.
Who are there? The Haitian people?
Who are there in the Dominican are?
There and not in Haiti, because.They don't like what's going on
in Hayden because they had to escape what was going on in

(01:29:26):
Haiti for fear of their own life.
And the stories we hear from those guys are nuts.
And there's one story I want to share.
I don't even know if I shouldn't.
I'm going to give like very little detail because I want to
respect this girl's privacy. You know, I should probably

(01:29:47):
never going to listen or anything.
I still want to respect your privacy.
But we were talking to this one girl who was from Haiti, and she
was probably 14 or 15 and she. I mean, the bottom line is she
was. Like messed up from Haiti and

(01:30:10):
she got sick while she was thereand there was a witch doctor
that healed her and so she was indebted to the witch doctor
like like the witch had put a curse on her and she.
Said she couldn't go to church because of that.
And she could feel the devil telling her to go inside, and

(01:30:31):
she was talking to us. They didn't invite us in.
None of the Haitians invite us in.
Yeah. And she said she could feel the
devil telling her to go inside when she was talking to us.
And then she said that she could.
Also feel. God telling her to stay outside
and you could see like this internal conflict, like she

(01:30:53):
looked super distressed and she on his book Creole and she was
talking real fast and and she was describing the story to our
translator about the witch doctor healing her.
And he didn't tell us the whole story.
He just kind of gave us the overview like the bottom line,

(01:31:14):
but the way she was describing it and I couldn't tell what
she's saying obviously, but it was just kind of scary to hear
her describe it in the hand motions and and just have the
stress she sound sounded and we.Just shared the.
Gospel with her. We prayed over her.
And I mean, we weren't like casting out demons or anything,
but you could feel the spiritualwarfare going on.

(01:31:37):
And and then we we prayed over, we read the Bible to her about
Jesus casting out demons and. Yeah, that was like a big thing.
I mean, we didn't really deal with it much, but I think we
heard about the fact that like witch docker.

(01:31:57):
Stuff you know is. A thing there.
It's a big problem and. It's crazy to think about, but
like, demons are a real thing. And in horrible places like

(01:32:18):
Haiti, which I shouldn't say like horrible place, but there's
some horrible things going on inHaiti.
And it doesn't mean everyone there is bad, but there are a
lot of bad people there. And that's just, it thrives
there. Like there is no professional
medicine there. And so if you're sick, you got

(01:32:38):
to go to a witch doctor. And that's like straight up
voodoo magic and just actual. Magic that's not not.
Like, oh, Harry Potter, I think it's devil, you know, Yeah, It's
not like. Cute Harry Potter.
Magic, it's like you're saying it's straight up from the devil,
and that's horrible stuff the messes people up.

(01:33:01):
It's scary to think about. It's scary to talk about and and
it's easy to. Forget that that stuff.
Is real whenever you live in America and.
And that stuff is more subtle and you're surrounded by
Christian influence, ideally. But I mean, here in America,
it's easy to be surrounded by Christian influence like we all

(01:33:24):
are. Of course, there's still
temptations from the world and stuff, but it's so different
than how it is in a place like Haiti.
Yeah. So yeah, it's scared.
I agree. Yeah, yeah.
Unfortunately, there isn't really a conclusion.
That story, except that we left.There wasn't much to do.

(01:33:48):
She calmed down, but there wasn't any.
Pigs to throw the demons and exactly so I think there's.
Still, that's what I was. Struggling with and we didn't
have anything that severe, you know, but I think that's that's
a hard thing too, because it's like.
We come back here and then. Continue our lives, you know,
it's like, what about them like thousands of miles away, Like,

(01:34:11):
you know about them living in their mountains without all the
resources, the people that are, you know, struggling with
spiritual warfare, the Christians that are left alone
that you knows all the stuff. And it's like, you know, like we
have to remember. That God is in.
Control. He was the one who chose us to
go there. He was the one who sent us

(01:34:31):
there. He was the one who, you know,
sent us to that doorstep to thatperson to talk with them exactly
at that time. And so like he's got he's has a
plan, you know, like they're, they're in his hands, whatever
their fate may be, you know, whatever however their story
ends for every single person we've met and even for us, like,
you know, we're in God's hands. And so that it's a hard pill to

(01:34:55):
swallow, but. It's.
Ultimately comforting because like, OK, Raphael, you know,
like this lady, like Rosaline, all the people that we met, it's
like the person that's going to ultimately continue that work is
God. And you know, he can do that
however he wants, whether it's sending more Americans over
there, where it's sending us back there, whether it's, you
know, using, you know, Johnny Kel, Anaya, AOT, like all of

(01:35:17):
our, you know, friends that we made like, you know, like he'll,
he's faithful to continue to work, you know, and he's
faithful to be there. I know I it's, yeah, it's
definitely, you said that especially, like, very
discouraging and very, it feels hopeless.
But it's like, you know, if we believe that, then we're playing

(01:35:39):
into Satan's hands as well, you know?
Yeah. Like, like it's there is great
hope and we all still work. We even shared that.
I don't remember. Where it's from, but that verse
where it's like, you know, he helike started that good work and
you like bring it to like completion or whatever.
So like, yeah, just to back thatup.

(01:35:59):
New Testament. Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you. Nailed it.
I didn't want it to be like a super sad.
Now, why do you share that storythough?
Because I think that was Yeah, now I.
Got it. I would like to hear more from
your experience SO. Yeah, and I can tell you all.
More in detail later. Yeah, now I got to put a

(01:36:20):
parental warning on this episode.
That's OK. A what warning?
Parental warning? Really.
Yeah, I. Don't want to scare any kids
into the family like. Because the idea is it's like I
was. I don't think that was like go
into detail or anything. No, but still it's a demons
voodoo. I don't know because I think it

(01:36:43):
is important. That kids know that's.
A real thing. But also, I don't know how much
detail a parent would want. It's various and I didn't hardly
go into any detail. So I don't know.
I think it's still fair to be like, hey, 'cause I heard some.
Kids, especially that I know right would be like wow, I think
better safe than sorry and when I.
Do put a print warning on it's I'm.

(01:37:05):
Specific while not. Being specific about what
specific what moment, this doesn't make any sense, but I do
kind of describe like, OK, this is what this is what was said.
This is like this is the topic that you should use discretion
whether you want your kids to listen.

(01:37:25):
To it or not? And mostly it's just if, like
I'm talking about like addictionor like struggles with
pornography. That's the only times I've had
to do it so far. But yeah, we'll see.
Well, we better wrap up so I'm not late for work 'cause I'm
never late for work. Yeah.

(01:37:47):
Was that a joke or? It was a joke?
OK, I'm late to work more than times than I would like to be.
Weren't you late whenever I takeyou?
No I don't was able to on power.I remember.
But I have a car now. There was.
A guy waiting for you. Oh, you get a car?
Yeah. Well, I I've had a car but.
It had a savage title on it and now I've got my rebuilt title.
I was like, which one of us is he about there?

(01:38:11):
So is there anything else you all?
Want to say before wrap up, pleasure.
Yeah, yeah. I've really enjoyed having you
all on both Times Now. Three times for you 3 * 2 that
three times. Proven Yeah 2.
Two officially. Yeah.
What do you mean three? Yeah.

(01:38:32):
So. There are there's a few other I
I think I'm going to release this today.
OK, as a special episode. So instead of episode whatever
it's going to be special episode10 that's upset.
Yep, all I need special holiday special 4th of July, so 4th of

(01:38:54):
July special. All right, so.
I'll, I'll press out and then. We'll take a picture for the the
cover and then I'll go to work. Thanks for having us.
Yeah, you're welcome. Dear God, thank you.
For this beautiful day. And for this opportunity to sit
down with Isaiah and Nate and just to share our experiences

(01:39:14):
about the Dr. And Lord, I just pray that someone will really
benefit. From this show and Lord.
I just lay down at your feet andI pray that you'll use this show
in your Kingdom, however you'd like to.
And Lord, just give me wisdom how you'd like me to distribute
this show and what I can do to use it to help others.

(01:39:37):
And Lord, I just pray for the, the Christians there in the
Dominican Republic of Pastor Mateo and his church and for,
for all the translators there and all the, the Christians
there in polo and Barhana and all, all of the Dr. that you
will just bless them and, and place a hedge of protection
around them as they they take your gospel to, to their country

(01:40:01):
and, and to their friends and families and to God, that you
would just give them strength tostep out in faith.
And and dear Lord, I pray for all the unreached people or the
unbelieving people there in the Dr. that you will just.
Open their eyes to you and that you will draw them close to you
and, and that they will place their trust in you And, and

(01:40:24):
Jesus and Lord, I pray for Haiti, just everything that's
going on there. Or I pray that you'll bring
dramatic change in Haiti, that, that it will become a safer
place and that you will just cast out all the demons that
live there and and that you'll rescue the, the kids and, and

(01:40:47):
innocent people that are being taken advantage of and and
harmed through everything that'sgoing on there in Haiti.
And the Lord, I pray that you'llraise up men and women who who
can take your gospel there into the Dr. and that you will raise
up more missionaries to to spread the good news of your son

(01:41:10):
to the ends of the earth. The pray we have a good day
today and Christ name I pray Amen, Amen.

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