Nate Johnson

Nate Johnson is a youth volunteer at Pleasent Valley Community Church and a godly friend and influence to many. In this interview we discus his testimony, legalism and God's grace, his work and involvement with the youth, and more.

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This episode was recorded on June 29, 2025.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Alrighty, I am here today with Nate Johnson and this is a bit
of a special episode, kind of a first time because we already
recorded this episode months ago, months ago, like the first
episode I ever recorded. And you're actually the one, you

(00:23):
didn't give me the idea to do podcast, but I got the idea to
do it from talking with you one day at church.
And you were the second person Iever recorded an interview with.
And that was a three hour interview.
And we could have kept going. Like we had to cut it off at 3
hours and then the file corrupted and we lost the
interview. And we spent a long time trying

(00:44):
to get it back and we were unsuccessful.
So we're going to do it again months later.
And so here we go. Two point O2 point O.
So yeah, this is Nate Johnson, and he's a good friend of mine,
a very strong Christian and justa bit of a role model in me and

(01:05):
lots of other kids. He volunteers at Youth at
Pleasant Valley Community Churchand he is a future postmaster I.
Think that's what you said the last time you.
Said this last time I just said you are the postmaster because I
actually thought you were, but you're nearly there.
You're probably like second string postmaster, aren't you?

(01:26):
I'm more like right, 3rd, 4th, 5th, you know like cuz there's
postmaster supervisor, a little lay people and so I'm like at
the top of the lay people. Oh, OK, so.
Well, let's go ahead and dive in.
You just like to share your testimony now?
Excuse me? You still hold the record for

(01:47):
longest testimony sharing on theshow even though it's not
officially recorded anymore? But I think that's because we
had so much commentary. We were like, oh, this is like
that scene in Captain America. This is like that, you know?
So like, I'll try to keep it more brief.
Well, you take however long you want.
It doesn't. That's not a bad thing that you
took a while to answer. Not a bad thing at all.

(02:09):
So. Yeah.
I guess it's kind of like where to start.
It depends on who I'm talking to.
Like where I think the most likeappropriate place to begin is I
guess. And you just, you just share
whatever you're comfortable with.
But we've had people share like really tough, deep stuff on the

(02:30):
show. And I've had, and I've put a
disclaimer in the description and, and then we've also had
more generalized testimonies. I mean, it's wherever you feel
comfortable doing whatever the Lord's leading you.
I'll try. To get a smatter of everything,
but not like jump in crazy deep.Yeah.
Raised in church, raised by really good Christian family,

(02:50):
have two brothers. I'm middle, so that explains a
lot. But we all just, yeah, we just
grew up, you know, there wasn't really a time that we didn't
believe, you know, it was just, that was just the way of life
kind of. And there was like, yeah, there
was the day we decided to get saved and there, you know, got

(03:11):
baptized or whatever. But the general idea, I guess
it's like, Oh, well, we're already Christians, We're
already good kids, you know, whatever.
And so, yeah, it was just kind of like cruising for most of
like, it's weird to say childhood, you know what I mean?
Like getting to adolescence, I guess, like, right, middle

(03:32):
school, whatever. That's really whenever.
I guess at that time I realized like, it's been a minute, so I'm
trying to remember the exact flow of events.
But basically at that time, I started wrestling with my faith,
like, oh, I'm not actually living.
I'm not living terribly, but I'mnot proactively living for the
Lord, you know, I'm just kind ofkind of cruising, I guess.

(03:55):
And, you know, I came to a pointwhere I was like, OK, like you
aren't, you know, you said you'dgiven your life to God, but you
really haven't, you know, it's just kind of in Word and even
indeed. But like, your heart's not, you
know, it's not in it to win it. It's not actually submitting to
Him, you know, And so that scared me.

(04:17):
There's a church event. We had God, heaven's gates and
Hell's flames. And that was like a play.
If people went to hell, people went to heaven, you know, And so
that kind of, I was like, Oh my goodness, you know, And so I got
like quote, re saved and no one can see if I'm doing air
quotations, but I was like, Oh, I don't, you know, I wasn't
really saved to begin with. And so now I have to get, you
know, whatever. And then eventually after that I

(04:39):
got re baptized. And so looking at that, I'm
like, yes, I do think that second time was truly the first
time, you know, yeah, I don't, Ithink I do believe that there
are people who like like when they were seven, you know, they
came to Christ and they believedin like 100%.
I agree with that. I just don't think that's how it
worked for me. You know, when I attested to

(05:00):
that at seven, it wasn't like truly believe.
You know, it may be Morehead knowledge, may be more verbal
consent, but it just wasn't wasn't there.
So I would say that the second baptism, the second conversion
was like the first time I actually was like, OK, no, like
this is, you know, this is real,like we're going for this, you
know. And then soon after that I I

(05:24):
said we were raised, you know, like good family, everything
like that. That was kind of it's still
something I guess the Lord is bringing us out of where it's
this idea that you don't have tobe perfect for the Lord to draw
you near him or him draw near toyou.
You know, that idea of Jesus we talked about in church today,
like Jesus friend of sinners, you know, he ate with the tax

(05:45):
collectors and sinners and now they what like that wasn't I
guess we would say that, you know, and I mean, I honestly
don't remember like I kind of did a lot of my own Bible
reading, Bible study, like thinking, you know, aside from
all the family stuff. But in my own personal lock, I
would never like, you know, cameface to face with those things.

(06:08):
I guess I was on the side of, Oh, you have to be good to be
Christian. Oh, you have to do these things.
You have to, you know, like and not, I wouldn't have said that,
Oh, you have to work to be a Christian.
But that was the idea. You know, my thing was like, if
you're not working, you're not aChristian.
And it's there's a grain of saltthere, But that was the driving
factor for me. And so especially then when I,

(06:29):
you know, my eyes are open, I was like, Oh, you know, I really
need to like, you know, be faithful to this.
The second time, that's when a lot of legalism started coming
in. I was like, OK, if I'm not a, if
I'm not raising my hands while we're worshiping, then I'm not a
real Christian because I don't really care.
If I'm not, you know, talking tothe cashier about Jesus, then

(06:50):
I'm not really a Christian because I'm not trying to, you
know, save other people. Just all those things, like if
I'm not praying for hours or reading my Bible like multiple
times a day, they're not a Christian, you know?
And so that became the focus where I was trying to do all
these things. And the times I wasn't doing
them, even if it was for like a good thing, like spending time
with my family or whatever, I'd be, I'd rack myself like, oh,

(07:12):
you know, I'm not a good Christian.
Like God, he's displeased with me.
Like, or, you know, maybe he's not, he's not mad at me, but
he's not happy with me, you know, he's not like actively,
you know, delighting in me or whatever.
And so that went on for quite a while and just a lot of
legalism, a lot of outward works, I guess.
And from my heart that I was like, I want God, you know, like

(07:33):
I want to honor him. But it just wasn't, it wasn't
the right lens. It wasn't the right really the
right heart, I guess. So it got to a point where
eventually I just like, I kind of had it, you know, and it was
like I'd after, after so much, you know, going back and forth
and running in circles, I was like, OK, you know, God does

(07:54):
love me. Like God is OK with me, you
know, And so I was good. But then almost simultaneously,
I can, I can still remember the moment where the thought came
like, OK, well, you know, your God loves you.
You know, I try to find the bestway to word it.
So basically, you can't do anything positively to earn

(08:15):
God's favor or love, but can youdo things negatively to lose it?
I guess would be the right way to say that.
And I don't know why it was so vivid, but I can just remember
that. And then soon after that, I was
just like, covered in just wavesof temptation, waves of light.
This really, like mental in yourhead, like stupid stuff, but

(08:35):
stuff that was like, you know, driving me away from the Lord.
And I would indulge in it. I would give into it.
And I'd be like, Oh my goodness,like, how could you do that?
That's blasphemous. That's, you know, horrible.
That's, you know, twisted, that's whatever, all the things.
But then I would keep going backto those things.
And so that really, like, destroyed me because then I was
like, OK, well, God loved me whenever I was trying my hardest

(08:57):
and trying to honor him, He was good with me.
And now I'm like living, you know, it's kind of taking this
360 and I'm living like a personthat I don't want to be living.
Like it's kind of like 2 faced from Batman, you know, it's just
like two sides there. I was like, I don't want to live
like this, but I am. And so how can I think I can
come back to God now? You know, like he he could
possibly love me and stuff. And that lasted even longer than

(09:19):
the first wave, I guess. I mean, that was all through
middle school, through high school, even graduating in
varying degrees starting off first.
It was pretty bad to the point of like the reason I didn't
commit suicide was because I wasafraid of God's judgment.
You know, it was just like, which is, you know, ridiculous.
But so it just it was got some pretty dark places and I ended
up talking to different counselors, you know, talking to

(09:40):
a Christian psychiatrist, like doing on Medicaid different
things because there was, I do believe there was what is the
word not meant mind, body and spirit of that kind of mantra.
You know, I do IA 100% agree with that, but I think a lot of
what I was hearing from outside sources was, you know, oh, you

(10:03):
just need to focus on the mind and then all this stuff will be
OK. And I looking back, I'm like,
yes, I should have been more cooperative, Like those things
would have helped, you know, andcaused, you know, to lessen a
lot of the stress and anxiety and stuff.
But even now I'm still, I do think it's a heart issue, you
know, I do think which I kind ofjumping ahead of myself, but
because I didn't, because I was never truly rooted, rooted and

(10:25):
grounded in, you know, the love of God and my identity in him
and what Jesus actually did on the cross.
I think because of that, that opened the doorway and was
really, you know, it was like a foundation of sand.
And I was trying to build my life and religion and
Christianity off of that. But that's not a foundation you
can build off of and right. And so IA 100% like, yes, there

(10:46):
was like, you know, as I was talking, they were OK.
I think we have some OCD involved, you know, which was a
whole nother whole other podcast.
Like I learned OC DS a lot different than a lot of people,
you know, than I thought it was.But at the same time, I'm like,
OK, this is a marriage, you know, yes, it's my mind, but
it's also my spirit and it's also Satan and it's also
temptation, you know, all the things.

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But anyway, so going on to there, I dealt with that for,
you know, all of teenage years, even graduating, you know, and
even now honestly, like there are good days and there are bad
days and stuff. But it really got to the point
where I was just, it came to thepoint, I guess, where I was
believing what I felt versus what was true.

(11:30):
And because I didn't have that measuring line for what was
true, it was open up for grabs for every thought that came in
my head. You know, it like all that
stuff. And so it really just got to the
point. I mean, and this is dumbing it
down a lot, but just after yearsand years and years of really
dark times and like just being just so frozen in my fear and

(11:52):
condemnation and shame and everything, it got to the point
was like, OK, you just have to believe God, You know, if God's
the one that sang these things are wrong and these things are,
you know, worthy of being condemned, you know, and worthy
of going to hell, just all the things.
God's also the one who says I provided my son to take that for
you in full, you know, but I wasn't believing that I was just

(12:13):
taking the first part. And then, you know, and so this
came to the point, really trial and error and just God's
patience. Like, OK, after the two
billionth time, are you going tobelieve that I still love you,
You know, that I paid for that too, and that, you know, while
you were still weak, Jesus died for them godly.
And so that's something I still struggle with, you know, but the
Lord's been faithful and I can look back and be like, OK, you

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know, he's patient, He's long-suffering, He's, you know,
eager to forgive. Just all those things that the
Bible talks about. It's like, I now know it's true
and I'm still learning that is true.
But I think a lot of that just during that time, I kind of
learned like, and even a lot of it's in retrospect, just
learning, you know, the importance of identity, the

(12:56):
importance of being rooted in the word because it is all we
have. You know, it's, it's like the
truth and just staking everything to Jesus because like
in those times when I'd be like,OK, God doesn't love me, I'm,
you know, messed up all the stuff.
Like then my heart would be aching for love or for
friendship or relationship or whatever.

(13:16):
And I just seek it from people. But then they would fail me or
they, I would have expectations that would have been just all
the things, you know. And so it's like, I truly
believe now that everything bleeds into each other, you
know, to where that when we're strong in Christ and when we're
like, OK, Jesus is just you and me, you know, First off, and
then everything else falls into place.

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Then I really do believe that itfalls into place, I guess
because I've seen that in the the past couple years.
Really. Yeah.
That was a very up and down everywhere.
A quick version of the testimony.
But I guess it's the story of legalism and being brought to
realize that you're not good andthen being brought to realize,

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oh, you're really not good. You're proactively bad.
But then in that, that's where, you know, the gospel shines
because, like, Jesus came for that.
You know, he didn't come for thegood people.
He came for the sinners and the rebels and all that stuff.
Yeah. So I guess it's not flashy.
It sometimes I'm jealous of, youknow, my friend, including you.

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It's like, I'm not, I'm not thatperson that's like, oh, wow,
there's, there's obvious change,you know, like, oh, cool, you're
a Christian. You know, this is kind of like
boring nights just the same the entire way through, you know,
but I didn't, you know, I know that's not the right way of
thinking. And I truly believe that, you
know, if that's the only thing, if the only interesting thing
that happened was it and you know, my teenage years, just

(14:44):
growing up, whatever, that's enough.
Like that's showing God's faithful, you know, and that he
chases sinners and that he lovesthem and that he's so merciful
and kind. Yeah.
So I'm content with that. Like, you know, it's still like,
man, like I wish I was a bit more flashy, like I used to do
drugs or something, you know, whatever.
But it's like, OK, you know, that's their story.
It's not your story. Like God, you know, God's using

(15:07):
you how he wants to use you. And it's just as important and
it's just as fitting and pleasing to him as anyone
else's. Yeah, I guess that's a yeah.
That's a very long run on sentence.
Yeah, every testimony is a miracle.

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And, and I think legalism is something, I mean, that's
something that a lot of Christians struggle with.
And that really is a dangerous thought cycle to go down because
what you're doing is you're, you're, you're thinking that

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even if you know this isn't true, your brain is telling you,
well, I that salvation comes from good works.
So you're always pursuing good works.
And then that becomes your idol.And I mean, there's so many
different ways to take this. But what I was really thinking
about was, oh man, please don't forget is that you can get down

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that that rabbit trail of thought that takes you to dark
places like, well, if God doesn't love me, if I'm not
doing good works, then I'm I'm agoner because I can never do
enough or be enough. And, and, and at a certain
point, there has to be trust that God does love you even

(16:42):
without good works. Of course, that doesn't mean
that we should just blatantly dowhatever they want.
That's a whole nother conversation.
But, but there, there has to be that trust there between the
father and son that that the sonknows.
And by son, I mean, it's like children of God that the the
children know that their father has got them and he's going to

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love them unconditionally. And, and that's hard for a lot
of people to wrap their heads around.
I, I think there's like there's a certain type of person and I
don't know if you're like this or not, but that has trouble
seeing things that way. Kind of like, well, if I'm not

(17:24):
actively seeing it, then I, I have trouble believing that.
And that's personally something I've never struggled with.
And I'm very grateful for that. But I mean, I see it and I
struggle with other things several, but I mean, I see a lot
of other Christians struggling with that with with with that

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like, Oh well, am I really saved?
Does God really love me if I'm not doing perfectly?
And I mean that really is it. It's a dangerous it's a cycle
that that people get stuck into.And then there's there's got to
be that trust there. But.
Yeah. Like it can really lead to
despair or pride. Like it's only one of two ways,
you know, right. And sometimes both.

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Like I even in the midst of my sin, I would look at other
people and be like, oh, they're doing that.
It's like, Oh my goodness, you literally just had this thought
and now you're judging them for the same, right?
You know, like it's, there's no good way to cut it.
You know, it's only by grace when we realized that they were
freed from the need to, you know, be 1 upping others or

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beating ourselves up, you know? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And you put it really well. And if anyone is struggling with
with feeling like, well, am I really saved?
Does God really love me or having trouble trusting in God?
I mean, just, I would just pray and this isn't goes for a lot of
things for everything when it comes to prayer, but just

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praying like, well, God, please help me to understand your grace
and to know that I am loved and help me to trust in you.
And God will answer that prayer every time.
Like the Bible says that if something is in accordance to
God's will and you pray for it, then it will happen.
And, and that's in accordance toGod's will that everyone

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wouldn't trust in him and, and understand his, his grace and
his love. OK.
Do you have anything else to sayabout that?
So, OK, so you volunteer at the youth ministry at Pleasant

(19:36):
Valley and you work with middle schoolers and high schoolers
right now? Yeah.
What What led you to do that? Honestly, it was kind of
selfish. Like I not at this point
relatively new, but at the time I was relatively new to Pleasant
Valley. Like really new.
Yeah. And I'm good friends with Isaiah

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Burden, one of the other leadersthere.
And this was honestly before we even good friends.
So it's kind of weird. Episode episode 9 I think.
The soft plug there, listen to it.
But he was like, you know, hey, you should like help out with
youth and stuff. And I was like, OK, like I could
meet more people, you know, likebecome better friends with him,

(20:19):
like hopefully like kind of get more in touch with the church
and stuff. And at first it was like so
awkward, like so awful because I'm honestly not good,
especially with teenagers, but anybody.
But as it went on, it was like Ijust saw these relationships
building and friendships building and like, I just, I

(20:39):
felt like it was where I was supposed to be at.
Like when I was younger at our old church used to help a lot
with the younger kids and that was fun.
You know, like I've always just enjoyed being around kids.
But then now I've, I felt like this was more discipleship, like
more, OK, you have the power to like feed positively into their
lives, you know, and, and try tobe an example, you know, of a

(21:00):
young Christian, like, and even a young man, like, I never had
that growing up really like, which I was home schooled and
kind of a recluse. So, you know, blame what you
will, but I just, you know, I would have always longed for
like an older person, especiallya Christian, just to invest, you
know. And so I think that's, those

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weren't the motives going into it, but I think the Lord kind of
changed it. And so now The thing is like,
OK, yes, we're having fun. Yes, I enjoy my friends, like
yes, we have a good time, but primarily like this is like the
goal is to know for me to know God and for them to know God,
you know, and first of all, I'd like to know them together, I
guess, while having fun and going crazy in the in the middle

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of that. Yeah, definitely there's been
ups and downs and learned a lot and, you know, had to be rebuked
a lot and, you know, just a lot of wisdom shared and stuff from
other people. But it's been, you know, there's
not many things in my life, I guess that I'm passionate about
or that I'm have clear directionon.
But I would say just from food I've seen just in my life and

(22:07):
from some encouragement from others, like, you know, I think
this is where the Lord has me right now.
So that's been in comfort just to know like, oh, you're not
wasting your life. Like, yeah, you know, but yeah,
no, it's, it's definitely one ofthe highlights of the week.
And the kids are great. It's really fun to hang out and
just there's a talk and goof off.
But yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's something
that I really enjoy about doing youth ministry is just that you

(22:36):
really are investing in. And.
And I've been working on scholarships for college and.
And a lot of it is just kind of like, why do you deserve this
scholarship? Why would this help you?
And, and something I say every time is I want to be a teacher.
Getting this career will help mebecome a teacher.
So that's why I need scholarship.
Give me money. But I want to be a teacher

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because as a teacher I can pour into the next generation of
leaders, workers, military, I mean everyone who's going to be
in charge. Literally.
Anything, anyone, the entire country 50 years in the future
is going to be the people that we're teaching.

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And they need to be good people.They need to be good at what
they're doing. And, and so from the world of
you, you need to make sure that you're teaching.
And also from a biblical view, you need to make sure that
you're teaching these kids, I mean, a good work, that ethic.
And and that's, that is a lot oflike parental stuff.

(23:41):
Yeah. But then you got to make sure
that they, they know how to do math and they know history and
they know science and the schooling stuff.
And those two those things are really important.
But even more important than allthat stuff is making sure that
the future people know the gospel and know the love of

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Christ and not only are benefited from that, but are
equipped to benefit others with that.
And so that's a that's a responsibility uniquely held by
the parents and the church and, and it is a big responsibility.

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And so it's, it's really important work, Yeah, I enjoy
doing it and. I know the I know the team
enjoys having you. I know the kids really enjoy it
too. There's one.
Yeah. Jax, I think we made him the
first time he recorded. But yeah, yeah.
I mean, he looks up to so much and like, I would look up to you

(24:43):
if I was in ballet clients. So.
But I know like it's really coolto see you, especially as a
young man because that's just kind of rare nowadays.
But just seeing you go out thereand like, no, like, I'm, you
know, spending my Sunday morningor Sunday night, whatever, you
know, like throughout the week, you know, helping with the
daycare, whatever. Like I'm spending my free time

(25:04):
as like a High School graduate while trying to get into call
all this stuff, you know, I'm, you know, trying to serve these
kids that they'll know the Lord,you know, And I think that just,
you know, for me, for old people, for the kid, like that's
just so cool to see and encouraging and convicting and
all the things. So it's it's really a good work.

(25:25):
Thanks, man. And and the same to you.
I mean, and I know a lot of the the middle school and high
school kids really look up to you.
My brother Brody looks up to you.
He talks about you all the time.Yeah, I mean you, I'm not there
on Wednesdays, but but I I've heard about the impact you're
having there, so that's really great.

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And that just kind of leads intomy next question.
What does just an average one day Wednesday look like?
They're like? How are you pouring into those
kids? So we get there about, well, I
won't do like the time stamps somuch.
Really it starts off just with hanging out with kids, greeting
them, kind of get to know if they're new kids, didn't know
the names, you know, where they go to school, all that kind of

(26:07):
stuff, like just about them. And then I'm super bad with
time. Usually they have to tell me
when it's time to go in, like, you know, start the service and
stuff. But it's generally, I believe
about 63645 that we go and have worship.
And that's one cool thing because we actually had like a,
you know, some of the adults andsome of the kids will lead a

(26:30):
youth band. You know, I think that's really
healthy for kids to see like, oh, there's someone like me up
there worshiping gods, you know,and just so it's like worship
isn't just a Sunday thing, like it's an everyday thing.
And you know, and then it's not just for adults, it's for a
group of kids. Like we've had some really
beautiful times of worship that have been, you know, I think God

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honoring. So that's cool to see.
But but then we'll have a sermonled by Dan or sometimes a
special guest, you know, and then we usually close out with a
song sometimes and then go and just, you know, hang out some
more, whatever about till 88 thirtyish and everyone starts
seeing them dispersing and goinghome.
But in the meantime, it's a lot of at least a lot of damage

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control and, you know, just hanging out, making sure
everybody's, you know, seen and being talked to and, you know,
at least not having a bad time, whether they're having a good
time or not, you know, But a lotof it, like a lot of it is just
building those relationships. And I think there's a danger
there where it's like, OK, you don't want it just to be all

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friendship and no truth, you know?
But I do think that is really healthy to have like, OK, for
these kids and see, no, you're someone who likes to have fun,
who enjoys their company, who doesn't look down on them.
And then like, OK, now they're open to be poured into.
Now they're open to be like, hey, that decision you made
wasn't really smart. You know, like, hey, like, let's

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talk about the gospel. Like where are you with God?
You know, you know, so there's ait's a balancing act, I guess.
And I felt a lot of that. But I do think it's, you know,
building those relationships really gives the opportunity for
discipleship and mentorship and just all the things.

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So yeah. So a lot of that and I've had to
learn to play the long game because I'm a just kind of
trigger a happy person, you know, just like, oh, you're
having life issues. Like let's fix them all now.
Just read your Bible. It'll be OK.
You know, all the things. But it's like, OK, Nate, no,
like God plays a long game with you, you know, like your story
is just God's patience and faithfulness, you know?
Yeah. And so it's like, maybe you
won't see any of these kids, like have like a huge, you know,

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Epiphany and like come to Christor get stronger in him or
whatever, you know, But you can trust that the Lord is doing the
work, you know, and you just have to do what you're supposed
to do. And then he has the rest.
And the not to say that there hasn't been fruit, you know,
because I think all the leaders,you know, could agree that we've
definitely seen. You ought to do some cool stuff
with the case. But yeah, it's just a lot of

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that I think is sowing those seeds.
I know that's cliche to say, butjust, you know, really tending
that soil and praying like Lord use this.
And sometimes we get to see thatwhether beautifully and
sometimes, you know, we don't. But by keeping in mind where
it's like, I think Psalm 115, itsays not to us a word, not to
us, but to your name. Give glory for the sake of your

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steadfast love and faithfulness.And so that's been helpful for
me. Just like, OK, Nate, swallow
your pride. You don't have to be the coolest
person around. You don't have to be, you know,
have all the right answers. You don't have to, you know, do
all this stuff. It's for God, you know, and I
think that's helpful just to keep in mind.
And like, it takes the pressure off, but it also resets your

(29:44):
gaze on what's important and on,you know, on the responsibility
that you have, I guess. Yeah.
Sorry, I'm trying Last podcast, I think I ended every sentence
with yeah, so I'm not going to do that now, but it's just like
so. Yeah, yeah.
I mean that's and that's just kind of what I've seen in Valley

(30:05):
Kids too. And in Valley Kids is a little
different because it's, there isdefinitely, I'm hanging out with
the kids, but then there's a lotof like the main event is I'm
like actually teaching the a Bible story and sharing the
gospel And, and that's how it isat youth as well.

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But I mean, our roles are kind of different.
But, but there is, but I wasn't always like just, I wasn't the
teacher for a while. I was just one of the helpers
and that is just as important asbeing a teacher.
It's just being there consistently, being kind, being
a godly influence and just beinglike, like what I was thinking

(30:51):
about is the word Christian, which literally means little
Christ, just being a little piece of, of Christ here on
earth and just being that godly example that the kids know that
they can, they can come and trust.
If they're having trouble at home or, or at school, they can
come, they can talk to you aboutit.
And if they're curious about thegospel and they're not a
Christian, then they can talk toyou about it and they know that

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you are a godly influence and there's someone that you look up
to. And that is so important.
And that's really what I've seenyou do at what's it called?
What is the youth ministry called?
This is called student. Ministry.
I'm thinking of the last church I went to a few years ago.

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They had one called Gin Line. But yeah, I mean, it's just as
important as actually sharing the gospel.
It's living the gospel out rightin front of their eyes.
Yeah. Anything else on that?
So if you have anything else, you're the you're the host of

(31:57):
the shindig. Oh, what was I going to ask
next? So you just got back from the
mission trip to the Dominican Republic.
Yeah, going to talk about that. Let's do it, I and eager to hear

(32:17):
your experience too. Yeah, so I went, I went.
I don't know. Should we wait and do this with
Isaiah like later this week? Your call.
I think we should. That'd be cool to have you 2 on
together. Is there anyone who doesn't know
Nate and Isaiah are really good friends.
By the time this comes out, Isaiah's will come out and I

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would love to have you 2 on together and and the three of us
can just talk about the Dr. Thatwould be great.
Of course, that'll end up comingout like a month or two after.
They can wait. After y'all even went to the Dr.
but it'll be there. Which I don't know if I would do
that as a regular scheduled podcast or release it as a

(33:00):
special one. And then I would be cool if I
release it as like a special edition, then I could do it
anytime. I could just release it the day
after we record or the day of orsomething like that.
That would be that probably, that's probably what I'm going
to end up doing just so that I can go ahead and be out there
because I want that one to go ahead and be out there and also

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so we'll talk about that anothertime.
Nice. Let's talk about.
Crossings, forget you heard. Anything.
Yeah. And I don't know if we said the
full names. We've been saying Dr. But that's
the Dominican Republic. I think I may have said that
just in case. OK, let's talk about Crossings.
I went to Crossings as a camper four years ago, the first time

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Pleasant Valley ever went. Are you serious?
It was great, but I haven't beenback since then.
The year after that I was at Whetstone, and the year after
that, well, I lived in Ozil the first time I met, too.
I haven't been back, but and I probably won't be going back.
But you're going as a counselor.Yeah.
Just this week. Yeah.
Wednesday. Have you have you gone to

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crossings before? Twice before.
Never as a student. Though, and that was my first.
You've gone as a campus. Yeah.
OK. Talk about your experience as a.
Camper and then and then we talkabout what you're expecting as a
counter and then we'll no, sorry, I've I've I've never been
a camper. I've only been.
Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry. OK, Yeah.
Well then just. Talk about that so.

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Going into it like. I'm.
Like I said, I was. Just randomly jumped into youth,
all the stuff. And so these kids, you know, the
leaders have all been to multiple camps, you know, seeing
all the different stuff. So crossings is like my only
experience ever of that, you know, like I've never even been
like a camper in any sort of camp at all.
So my opinion in my outlook isn't the most objective, like,

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you know, but I, I thought it was amazing.
Like the first year, just subjectly from my experience is
like, OK, I don't really know many people like me as they are
becoming friends, all the stuff.But I really think that the Lord
used that to start building relationships that even now to
this day, like are still continuing, you know what, the

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students and the leaders and stuff.
And so I guess that would be, you know, if I had to sum up
crossings at least for, for our church and then more
specifically for me. And like, you know, what I, I
think the Lord's doing, you know, is I think it's a lot of,
yes, it's, it's fun and yes, youlearn about God and all those
things. But I think a lot of times we

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expect those, I don't know it tobe life changing, you know,
summer camps like, and that theycan be definitely like people
can generally get saved and stuff.
But I think going into it, for me, it's been less OK, Lord,
like, yes, I want to be on a spiritual high.
Like, yes, I want this to be awesome and see, do cool stuff,

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but just do what you want to do,you know, use me how you want to
use me. And then let's see what happens.
And he's been faithful. Like last year was definitely, I
wasn't sure that I was going to be able to go, but then the Lord
made it work out. And then just during camp, there
was some experience that was like, wow, like the Lord really
showed himself as faithful, you know, And so, but also, so aside

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from the personal experience, I do think that camp, besides, you
know, hopefully the, the salvation and the conviction and
all that stuff for the kids, like, I do think base level, it
really is a good opportunity to build, start building those
relationships. Like, like we were talking
about, like you were saying for them to see, OK, you're spending
a week with this person, you know, this leader in my church

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and they're investing in me. They're, you know, fun.
They're, you know, a good leader, just all the things and
whether or not that leads to a deep, you know, spiritual
conversation during camp. I really think that's, you know,
very monumental, I guess, or essential, whatever the word is
for later down the road. Some of the relationships that

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I've built with the kids, like, I mean, one of my best friends
is one of the students, Oliver. And like we, I think he was in
my group the first year and I thought he was just a quiet, shy
kid and stuff and he's like a lunatic.
But now we're just really good friends and we have really deep
conversations and stuff. And so it's just it's cool to
see what the Lord does from that, you know?

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Not right. At the moment when you want.
It to be like, oh God, I want, you know, I know who I want to
get saved on this like week, youknow, where I don't.
But like it's like, you know, that's not the point.
The point is just, you know, being faithful and then, you
know, the Lord does use stuff. But yeah, it's a lot of outside
stuff. The way crossings are set up is

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the camp itself, like has a staff and a lot of young adult
leaders that volunteer there forthe entire summer.
And So what happens is like you bunk with your church and stuff,
but then in the mornings they'lldo breakfast together and then
you all go to worship together and then a sermon.
And then the actual like leadersand volunteers from the
churches, they're generally like, I don't know that it's

(38:15):
suggested, but basically it's like, OK, you know, we kind of
go off and get some rest, you know, get coffee, regroup,
whatever, with the leader side of things.
But then the students actually get small group time with the
crossing staff and they really get to pour into them and kind
of continue the themes from the sermons and stuff.
And then we go and like all afternoon, like there's lunch
and games and swimming, just allthe things.

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And the evening, it comes back all together and we have worship
and this, you know, sermon. And then that's right after that
is when our church gets to actually like have a small group
time, right? Because there's a lot of
different churches that. Oh yeah.
There's like a ton so. And, and so the kids are all
interacting with each other, butalso like other different
churches entirely, right? So it, there's a lot going on.

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But yeah. And then you just do that on
repeat for like 4 days. So it, it's definitely hectic
and insane, but it's so, so, so much fun.
And I think it's a good balance because you know where.
There are times that. Kids wouldn't feel comfortable
like talking to the parents or even talking to the student
leaders or whatever. You know, they might be more
willing to talk to someone who'sat camp who's, you know, an

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influencer, a leader and stuff. But, and they also have the
opportunity to talk with us if they want to or whatever.
So I think, I think it's a good balance.
They're given different opportunities, you know, in
different circumstances to really get deep with others, but
also the Lord, you know, and so I do, I do know there have been
some really big things that God's done, you know, in other

(39:43):
kids or other groups or churchesor whatever.
So. So it's always cool to see
though, the just what he uses atthe time or later.
But it's a lot of just investing, I guess.
Yeah, but and that's another. Thing that kind of goes along
with just being a steady godly presence is I could see the

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thought just like. Dissipate out of his head is Oh
yeah, even. Even if you're there and you
don't see a huge change in a kid, like they're not crying and
giving their life to Christ or anything like that and
confessing their sin, you've still planted a seed or water to
seed that had already been planted.

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And maybe, I mean, it could be decades in the future and this
kid is still, well, not a kid. Anymore but.
Is, is still like living in sin.They're not a Christian.
And, and maybe that's, they justthink back to, oh, remember that
one time I was at camp, there's that dude and Nate and he was
super cool and he shared Christ with me and, and, and maybe

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that's the thing that saves themor, or just one more thing that
that is just a pile of small things that the Lord is using to
change this person's heart. I mean, and that's just
something that I think is important for people who do any
sort of ministry to remember is that even if you don't, you're
not seeing huge changes first hand, that doesn't mean you're

(41:14):
not aiding a future change. Definitely, because the Lord can
use anything to change symbol. I think there's a wise.
Thing to add definitely. Because like especially.
In that environment where? It's like, OK, we're all working
together, you know, as leaders and working with the students
and stuff. There can be like pride or
discontent or, you know, I guessinsecurity or whatever.

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Like, oh, you know, is this leader better than me?
Like, do the kids like them moreor, you know, or is Lord using
them more? Like, I'd feel like I'm not
getting anywhere with these guys, but that person's like
saying all the right stuff, you know?
And it's like, but I think that's very timely and
appropriate that you said that because it's like, you know,
we're each part of the body and we're each needed, you know?
And yes, that might not be as flashy as you want, but it's not
about you, you know, it's about God's glory.

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So I think that's, that's definitely something I, the
Lord's really had to rake me over with.
So yeah, that's very good that you threw that in there.
It's like, you know, there's a work for each of us to do and
it's all, it's all part of God'swill, you know?
Yeah. But you're.
Wanting to go to. I might be completely butchering

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this, but go to Whetstone right and be Or has that changed?
That's still something I would love to do.
I don't know where that's going to fit into my plans, but if God
opens that door, I'd love to do that.
That would be awesome. I don't even know if I've.
Talked about. Whetstone on the show before,
but that's a a boys ranch in Missouri for kids guys who I

(42:46):
it's like 12 to 712 to 16 I think and you're. 12 to 17 I.
Don't remember, but it's for guys who have like disciplinary
issues, not necessarily anger issues, but like disciplinary
issues, but also have had like some sort of past trauma in

(43:08):
their life and that place. I mean, I totally like Whetstone
saved my life. It was great and I could talk
about it for a while on the showand I want to interview some all
of the staff there. There's lots of people there who
I'd like to interview. So that's a bigger conversation
for another day. And it and I've actually talked

(43:30):
to a lot of parents before aboutit, like one-on-one who have
kids and they're thinking about sending them to West owner a
similar place. So if there is anyone who is
who's listening, who it sounds like who would be interested in
in talking about that. I mean, you can go look them up
whetstone.com, I guess. I don't know.

(43:50):
They're online. Or you can talk to me about it.
My emails in the description always.
But yeah, I had been. Saying I want to go back there.
And and work there one summer like as an intern.
Since then I met a very wonderful girl and and we're

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dating and so. Things have changed, but.
That's still something I'd. Like to do 1.
Day if the word opens that door.Yep.
Yep, because the staff there just.
Poured so much into me and really I mean just completely
changed my life and the people that know me knew me then and

(44:32):
know me now. I I feel.
Kind of the same. Like I feel like the same.
Person people tell me I'm like atotally different person and
like I used to throw fits and break stuff and get super mad
and I was just a jerk and then also I was going down a bad
path. We just some other stuff and and

(44:55):
then people who know me now who didn't know me back then, I'll
just kind of describe to them when I was like right now that
doesn't there's no way So and I and I don't take any of that
credit. That was all my mom for having
the courage to send me there, the staff there, and most of
all, God. But yeah, what sounds great.

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So it's kind of a tangent there,but yeah.
I know we talked a lot about. Classical conversations.
I'm going to have Teresa Velez on the show.
I think we're going to talk about that.
So I don't want, I don't want todouble down, but is there

(45:37):
anything? We talked about last time.
That I'm missing. We haven't talked about Marvel.
Yet I'm just saying like we haveto throw that in there
somewhere. I OK so.
I've gone back and I've rewatched some of the movies
that I hadn't seen because afteronce they started, you know,
they're not doing phases anymore.
They they've split it into two. You've got the Infinity Saga,

(45:59):
which is everything from the First Avenger to End Game or to
the first. Avenger to Spider Man, no way
home. And then after Spider Man, No
Way Home, that's when the multiverse gets out.
OK. And everything after that,
starting with Multiverse and Madness all the way to

(46:20):
Thunderbolts. Is the.
Multiverse Saga, and there's a lot of movies in the Multiverse
Saga that I just haven't watchedbecause I thought.
That Marvel had gone down the drain.
I wish they quit making TV shows.
They're way better at movies. I don't.
I don't want to sit through a whole TV show that Marvel made.

(46:41):
I love Marvel and everything, but I don't.
Know I can't do it for a whole TV.
Show and I love watching TV shows I'm always watching ATV
show but I couldn't do it and I like the old stuff I liked the
defenders shows OG yeah I like. I like.
Daredevil. I haven't seen the new
Daredevil. I need to do that.
But yeah, I just finished watching all the Deadpools.

(47:06):
Oh, this is supposed to be like a family friend.
Of the podcast from things so for the record don't let your
kids watch Deadpool. That's an adult movie and I'm an
adult it is a very funny movie Deadpool Wolverine was great
They finally they fixed a lot ofstuff with that movie that fox
had messed up with Wolverine. But yeah it's not as bad as I
thought. I still need to watch for Connor

(47:26):
forever the marvels and thunderbolts.
I heard thunderbolts was really good.
I personally loved it, like I thought it was epic but.
And that's Yelena. And her dad, Jim Harbour.
Russian Jim Harbour, which is funny.
Because when I think of Jim Harbour, I think of Stranger

(47:48):
Things and that Jim Harbour hates Russians and this Jim
Harbour is Russian. It's kind of funny.
And then who else is in Thunderbolts?
Bucky's in it. That's right.
Oh my goodness. John Walker.
From Falcon and The Winter Soldier as a bad guy.
He's, I mean. He's on the team.

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So like he's on the he's a good guy.
Yeah, but at the end of Falcon and Winter Soldier he like
totally turned bad. Yeah, they wreck calling that
spoil it, but like oh, he was OK.
But but are they kind? Of like an anti hero.
Groups then like the better how to explain it.
But had a lot of heart like it. I don't know, I thought it was
it might have might be just because like you're saying,

(48:30):
Marvel has been so much trash like and I was like, wow, this
is great, you know, yeah, but itdid definitely feel like Winter
Soldier old Marvel vibes good. But it had a lot of I love how
Winter Soldier movie. Yeah, that one is.
Insane such a. Good movie.
Yeah. Yeah.
All of those characters are antiheroes except Bucky.
Yeah, he's not a true anti hero.Yeah.
And I felt like for this one. He's kind of, he wasn't in a

(48:52):
tons. That was a little bit
disappointing, but he was in it enough to where it was like, OK,
he's already had his past, his darkness, all the stuff, and now
he can kind of be. Yeah, because a leader role, you
know, for these guys. I don't remember what movie or.
Show it was in, but he showed uplike for a minute, like he
cameoed at one point. Captain America, Brave New
World, Yes. Yeah, yeah, he cameoed.

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In there. And he was just kind of hands
off. He's like, I'm done with that.
He was wearing a suit. Yeah.
So yeah. I.
Thought I I don't know, I feel like they should have made him
Captain America instead of Falcon, because I mean, Falcon,
he's not a super soldier. He's it's just not Captain
America. I just didn't get it.
I feel like Bucky would have made more sense to be Captain

(49:37):
America, but Bucky was done likehe was over.
So whatever. Pulling off topic here.
These are pressing matters. Yeah, I start.
Another podcast called. Tomorrow conversation.
Oh, you know what? You know what's great?
Though because I started. This ministry, which is Beach

(49:57):
ministries and Beach Ministries,owns The Jesus Conversation and
The Idea. Of each ministries.
And there there's a, there is a,a mission statement which I
should memorize, but at the end of the mission statement, it
says something about excellence in audio.
So it's kind of like. I want it to be like an audio
focused. Ministry because that's

(50:18):
something I'm personally impassioned about.
So as far as I I mean as far as I can see, it's pretty much just
podcasts. I can't I don't want to be like
a record label or anything. I don't I don't really know
about doing music or anything like that, but podcast is what I
love and I mean, and I've. Told people this.

(50:38):
Before like if you want to starta podcast, I have equipment like
if you're wanting to start a podcast that fits into the
ministry, which. Is I mean just.
As long as it's biblical and family friendly, I would love to
I would love to host your podcast under the umbrella of

(51:00):
each ministries and and then I'mhands off.
Like as long as your show is like clean and God centered for
the most part, like even a little bit, you can talk about
Marvel you want then then I. Mean it's complete.
Creative control to you, this fictional person?

(51:23):
Yeah. I mean, if anyone, just anyone
listening who is interested in sort of a podcast, I'd love to
help you start a podcast. And I have extra equipment that
just kind of sits around and. So yeah, the way I've set.
It up is I can have multiple, I can have and and manage and
publish multiple podcasts under the umbrella of each ministries.

(51:44):
Like even if if you go to Apple podcast, there's a button to go
to the each ministry's channel. And right now it's just this
show. But the vision is one day it'll
be deductible shows that hopefully I only host one but I
don't know. I'd Co host a different show,
probably not the same level. As this.

(52:05):
Not the same amount of time thatthis takes, but maybe like a
short. I would love to have a podcast
that was just news that went over news from a Christian
worldview. But.
The only thing is. I listen to the briefing and
that guy nails it every time. I don't feel any need to to to

(52:28):
make a a copycat show of of the briefing unless I.
Was doing it with. Someone else, because I feel
like doing it with two people will be a different dynamic.
And I don't think I would ever host a podcast that was just me
talking. I don't think I could do that.
But yeah, that would be cool. Yeah.

(52:48):
And also, yeah. I mean, it's free I but aside
from buying the equipment, whichI already have and I'm happy to
lend to other people. I mean, having a podcast is
free. So just throw that out there.
Yeah, like, especially like. Maybe it's just because I feel
like we're in the maybe area like Andy Griffith hit it like,

(53:10):
yeah, a little bit. You know, you don't, you know,
it's like, oh, I want to write abook.
Like, how do you do that? Oh, I want to make a move.
How do you do that? You know, it's like, it's like,
no, this guy is willing to help you make your pocket.
You know, it's like, yeah. And that's that's pretty cool.
I mean, I'm only 18. And and I've only been doing
this for wow, it's. Been like four months.

(53:31):
Feels way shorter than that. But I do love podcasts.
I know how to publish one. Obviously I have the equipment I
mean. I'm not the greatest.
Podcaster of all time or anything.
But yeah, I could help someone out with that.
I'd love to do that that. 'D be cool if anyone wants to

(53:52):
host a new show. With me that would be super
cool. Better be careful who you at
least. 'Cause you just got all these
random people. This isn't all that, but I mean
on the show. I try so hard not to talk about
politics 'cause then I'll be talking about it for an hour.
I could, I mean, just people, people who like, don't know me,
but just listen to the show, which I don't think that's a

(54:14):
thing. I don't.
Think the show is that. Popular yet, But they would
think that I don't care for politics unless they've listened
to the first episode and talk about it plenty there.
But I cannot shut up about it most of the time.
But I try not to talk about it on the show because I want it to
be Christ centered. So yeah.

(54:36):
I shouldn't say this because it's probably going.
To get you started, but I'm pretty sure when we first
recorded different two, you werethe first person like the first,
like I didn't realize that Trumpand was it Zelensky, they had
the whole thing like the conversation meeting thing of
the day. Again, people are, I think you
were the first conversation in February.
Yeah, I was like, I would go. And so I didn't know anything

(54:56):
about that. And then you're like, man, a lot
has happened since. Then yeah, but that was the.
Yeah, there man, I don't even remember what the drama.
Was there all I remember is Trump.
Oh, I remember now go look it up.
Yeah. Yeah.

(55:20):
Well, that's all I have. We went from three hours to 55
minutes. I'm sorry, I can.
No. I'm not going to say that kind
of that. Three hour interview we recorded
is definitely an outlier. I mean, I've never hit, I've
never broken two hours since then.
That was like the longest one I have.
I. Think is an hour?

(55:40):
55. That's.
Pretty cool though yeah, I thinkthey're getting.
Shorter the more I do it becauseI don't know if it's just like a
short period or what. And that's not a bad thing.
I don't care if it's 30 minutes or three hours.
I feel like those are kind of the bookends.
I don't want it to go any shorter or longer than that.
But between that, I don't reallycare.

(56:02):
But like I recorded one yesterday, it was like 50. 152.
Minutes or something like that. That still sounds long, but it
was sure. I think that's I.
Don't know because whenever I I.Don't listen to a ton.
Of podcasts, but I think that time frame is pretty cool for a

(56:25):
podcast just because it's like, OK, it's not just like, oh, 20
minutes with kind of, you know, it's like super short and like
what like and if I did it, sure I would, I would.
Release more than once a week. Yeah, but like Rogan, he
releases like one to three hour podcast daily That blows my
mind. And I used to listen to him and
I just can't keep up, can't keepup with his uploading schedule.

(56:47):
And excuse me and I think, but Imean the my interviews are more
or less the same time as his, his I think as general ruler
longer, but same idea. Yeah, it's normally it's an hour
plus and but I. Only release it once a week.

(57:09):
I feel like that works well for for people, I think Bailey.
'S a little bit much unless you have a ton of time on your hands
like he's he is so much. He's a very impressive man and.
Yeah, that's one thing about this show.
I love this show, but I kind of.Sometimes I kick myself.

(57:35):
Because I interview. Christian leaders.
That's it. I would like, I would never have
Rogan on the podcast unless he did it.
He had a major turn around so. I'm put I would love to
interview. Rogan is the thing.
So I don't know. I think I would, I would
definitely make an exception forthat.
And if he was going to be on thepodcast or just someone like

(57:57):
him, I would ask him about like,I would talk about Jesus.
Yeah, I'd get his side of things.
And I try to share the gospel with him and all that.
And, and then I would make it a special episode in a special
edition or whatever. I'd put a disclaimer at the
beginning. But yeah, I'd love to interview.
Someone like Rogan that were, I mean, I'm just using Rogan as an

(58:19):
example. I mean like a famous guy.
I don't know. It just depends on the guy.
I'd love to interview Al Mohler.That's probably my dream
interview right there. No second dream review first.
OK, Al Mueller's third. First.

(58:41):
Second is Trump. OK.
Third is. DJ Vance I.
Like him even better than I likeTrump in some ways.
Wait so 3rd as in DJ? Vance, number one, Trump and
then Mueller or no I. JD Vance, If I could, if I could
interview anyone, I'd interview JD Vance and then Trump.

(59:03):
OK, And then and then molar. I was like dreaming.
Big here. I can see you adding some more
people to the list. I didn't start thinking about
people. But yeah, we'll leave it at
that. That would be incredible though,
yeah. Well, if we talk for 30 more

(59:25):
seconds. We'll hit one hour.
OK, alright, well, I got to press out anyway.
Is there anything else you want to add?
I don't. Think so.
Let's try this thing again. Yeah.
All right. Well.
I'll press out. That's good.
Dear God. Thank you for this beautiful
day, and thank you for this opportunity to hang out with

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Nate and to rerecord. And God, I just pray that we
have a good rest of the day. And Lord, I just surrender this
show to you. I laid at your feed and I pray
that you will use it however you'd like.
In any way that would benefit your Kingdom, God and I, I just
want this podcast to be about you and to help people find you

(01:00:07):
and to feel your love and and tounderstand your grace and mercy
and God, I just pray blessing over Nate and his family.
I pray you'll just place a hedgeof protection around them,
protect them from the schemes ofthe devil, and in Christ name I
pray. Amen.
Amen.