The Facts About Climate Change

Geologist and climate researcher Gregory Whitestone joins us to discuss the reality of climate change, including long term weather patterns, motives behind the "consensus science," and why a warmer planet is actually better for life than a cooler planet.

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Episode Transcript

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Well, I'm happy to have back on the program here at America
today, Gregory Writestone, he's written a new book called A very
convenient warming, How modest warming and more CO2 are
beneficial to humanity. You know, the current narrative
nowadays is that we're trying todo net 0 carbon emissions and

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Europe is, is sort of losing their edge.
It's causing all kinds of problems.
So it's good to be able to tap into Gregory Whitestone's
knowledge base. He is a, a man rooted in science
and he is a, a, a, a geographer,I believe first hand, but also
the executive director of the CO2 Coalition, an expert

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reviewer for the intergovernmental of the IPOCC
or the IPCC and best selling author inconvenient facts, which
I actually read. So welcome back to the program,
Greg, It's it's good to have youof recent.
We're hearing a lot of news about this plan to put sulfuric
something or other into the atmosphere in or I think it's

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called the Aryan project or something.
What are they doing and, and whyare they doing it?
That's the question. And what science is it based on?
You know what I'm talking about.Exactly.
I do. The first question you have to
ask is what could go wrong? And the answer is a lot, a lot.

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I mean, it's it's really, they would call me a science denier.
I get that a lot. Climate change denier, science
denier. I would call these people
history deniers because they're denying what human history tells
us. And that is throughout human
history, going back to the firstgrace, civilizations and empires

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that rose up the the Babylonians, Hittites, the
Assyrians, all around the world.It was in a really, really warm
period, much warmer than we are today.
And then it started getting cooland all of those great empires
collapsed. But within about 50 or 100
years, because it was getting cold.
History tells us that humanity prospers when we're in a warming

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trend and horrifically bad things happen when it gets cold.
So they just have it completely opposite.
And it's it's a shame they really don't know what's going
to happen if they do this. There's been a lot of people
claiming I'm going to risk alienating some of your
listeners, but there are a lot of people that believe in this

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chemtrail hoax. It's it's just we just
published, if you want to go look on our website, CO2
coalition.org, on our recent report that Doctor Roy Spencer
did on that matter. It's these are these are
contrails. Contrails.
Yeah. Tell me.
The difference between the two, yeah, that's important.

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Well #1 they're not spraying chemicals in the into the
atmosphere through jets, millions of jets all over the
world. But The Jets, when they burn jet
fuel, they create mainly the byproduct of course, is heat,
which is why they're doing the force.
And then the, the byproduct is water vapor and carbon dioxide.

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Those two things. There's a little bit of stuff
that comes out when you burn it,but it's, there's not some grand
conspiracy spraying jet trails. We, we see, we can go back in
the early, go back to World War 2 and you can see the contrails
behind the, the bombers and the fighter planes.
We, we show that on our website.And so it's easy to just think

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about the, the, the, the simplest fossil fuel is methane,
It's natural gas. And so methane is chapter 4.
It's got 1 carbon and four hydrogen atoms.
And when you burn it, it createsheat and also creates 2 water
molecules and one carbon dioxidemolecule.

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And that's basically what's being burned by the all the jet
air jets going around the world.People say, oh, well, it's been
increasing. It has we see more of them over
here. That's because there are more
jets flying every year. It's perfectly, we know pretty
much pretty accurately how much CO2 is emitted.
And it's a linear relationship between that and the water vapor

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that's coming out of the jet engines and so.
So you're going to scientists, Let me just kind of make sure I,
I understand. So all these people worried
about all these trails, it is that because they're just more
airplanes now than there used tobe?
Sure, there's a yeah, and we cango.
We have really good information,pretty accurate on, again, how

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much carbon dioxide is emitted. And again, it's for every
molecule carbon dioxide that's emitted, there are two molecules
of water vapor. So we've got twice as much water
vapor coming out those engines as we do carbon dioxide.
And it just depends. It's it's a meteorological
phenomenon. If it's very dry, they don't
leave these contrails behind them.

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Putting that aside, but there, there has been an announcement
in in London or in England that there's been funding.
And I know that Berkeley was doing a study over the San
Joaquin Valley. They're putting something in the
air to try to deflect the sun, sunlight, thinking that that
would have a, an effect on the planet's surface of making me

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not so hot. They are doing that right?
I mean, yeah. Not yet.
I think there was a small pilot scale projects that have been
around the world there. There's some particularly the
wealthy Saudi Arabia or the Arabian countries around the
Middle East are have been using what they call cloud seeding
because they're they're trying to make it rain.

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It doesn't work very well. Nobody does it anymore except
for the people that are swimmingand millions of dollars worth of
our money. So, but it hasn't worked out
very well cloud seeding. There've been attempts through
the year small scale of of seeing if that would work.
And it really the only way you can see the cloud and make it
rain is is if it's about ready to rain anyhow.

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Mm hmm. You can.
You can put things out there that'll.
All right, so you're not worrying an hour.
We're talking with Gregory White.
I'm. Worried about, I'm worried I'm,
I'm worried about the one in England that's bad, that's
potentially really bad. And they want to put some sort
of sulfur in the air. Is that what they?
What could that, what could happen?

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What are some of the potentialities of side effects?
Well, the main thing would be wewould get less sunlight with,
with that, which means, of course, a lessened crop
production. And they're, they're building
all these solar, industrial scale solar facilities.

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Of course it would impede that. So, you know, they're, they're
building these facilities. So we're going to have to burn
fossil fuels. And now they want to block the
sunlight from I, I don't think it's going to go through and it
would be a horrifically bad idea.
Again, we don't know what's going to, we don't know what the
long term consequences are. Playing God like they're
talking. About I'm reading reports,

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there's a a, a man, a environment industry lives in
Northern California and he headsan organization and he has he
lives off the land. So he's strictly on, you know,
sustainable solar panels and whatever.
And he said that he noticed thatthere's something happening with
the trees and he thinks that they're pumping some form of
aluminum in the air over California.

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So you don't think that's? No, it's absolutely false.
As a geologist, we know that is there aluminum and yes, it's
these are clay, they're clays that are made part of their
makeup is aluminum. These are big dust storms.
You can you can actually see them coming out of Sahara and
they can reach over into the United States.

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Dust storms often often will be positive forms of aluminum in
terms of illite, montmer, illinite and other things that
contain that. There's just no it's, it's, it's
being, it's, it's a conspiracy, false conspiracy theory being
spread mainly by a guy by the name of Dale Wigginton when he.
OK, you think he might be right and it's.

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Yeah, yeah, he, yeah. And he it's.
So I want to get back to we've distilled that.
I think you've calmed some fearsof people who are worried about
chemtrails and all that. They'll be mad at, they'll be
mad at me, don't worry. Hey, listen, sometimes I'm not
sure which side you're on, if you're on the side that is a
little skeptical about this climate change or not, because

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did you have a hand in the IPCC report or are you?
I actually read that thing. OK, You've read it, I'm sure and
well. Yeah, it it was the the final
document, the only document really that people read is the
final one. It's called the Summary for
Policymakers, and that is not written by science.
There's, there's a good bit of good science put out by the

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IPCC. It's in thousands and many
thousands of pages of documents.But when they come to write the
the final document, the summary for policymakers, that that's
written by politicians and it's horrifically bad.
And there's a lot of stuff we got to cover, and I want to
continue my conversation. Gregory Whitestone is with us
and his book is out. And I like the play on words for

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the Al Gore book, Inconvenient Truth.
Your book is a very convenient warming.
How modest warming and more CO2 are benefiting humanity.
And there's a few more questions, I think that are very
important when we continue in just a moment, you're listening
to America Today with Jim Watkins.
Hang on. Welcome back to America TODAY,

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Jim Watkins. We've got on our guest line
Gregory Whitestone Offer, authorof a new book.
He's a geologist by trade, and Isuspect he's done a lot of
research in the climatology. Does the IPCC report completely
discount solar activity, volcanic influence on the
warming or cooling of the globe?Do they just gloss over the

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bigger picture and attribute it all to man?
Yes, but the answer is, in short, yes.
That's what they do. Very little.
Very, very little discussed at all on the role that changes in
solar activity and volcanic activity had volcanic activity
tends to it, it tends to have cooling effect on the planet,

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the really big volcanoes, because again the the, the, the
sulfates that come out of the volcano go up in the
stratosphere and they can reflect the sunlight that's
coming in and cause a cooling effect.
And in fact, we saw that we saw similar cooling effect back in
23, 2023. Remember the Canadian fires that
blanketed most of the northern reaches of the United States

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with with brown haze for a few weeks and we saw temperature
drop there. That was significant because of
that. What do you These are all
natural. What do you say to the people
who say thunderstorms are getting more severe?
We just saw, you know, 23 peopledie in the Midwest because of
tornadic. They're all attributing it to

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climate change. What's your response to them if
they let you speak? Well, we're #1 we can go, we can
look at the biggest tornadoes, F3F4F5 tornadoes.
They're, they're the big ones and they have definitely been in
decline. So it's, it's easy to believe
they're increasing because of the media plays this up

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tremendously whenever there is atragedy.
Tornadoes have always been a hallmark of the United States.
the United States is unique in the world with a number of
tornadoes that are here. And it's not because of climate
change, but rather our unique geography where we have warm
moist air from the Gulf that heads north and we've got cold

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and Canadian air coming across the Rockies.
And when you have that cold air above warm moist air, that's
just tailor made for huge thunderstorms and tornadoes.
And that's and that's where we see.
That's why the mid, mid, mid continent area, the bread
basket, the Midwestern United States is where we see this,
because that's just a perfect setup.

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We, we don't find it around the world.
They're, they're actually fairlyrare.
Something like 90% of all the tornado tornadoes in the world
occur here in in North America. I didn't know that, but that
actually makes a lot of sense because of the nature of the
train. You're right.
How many ice ages have there been to to the geology according

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to the geologic history book? How many ice ages have we had?
Oh, we've had. We've had a handful.
Bear in mind though, we are still in.
We are in an Ice Age right now, believe it or not.
We're just in, in, in what's called the interglacial period,
the warm period between the lacial advances.

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It's I I'm corrected quite oftenby Doctor Patrick Moore who was
sits on our board. Sure, founder of Greenland.
Right. Don't.
Yeah. Or Greenpeace.
Greenpeace, yeah. Yeah, founder of yeah, founder
of Co founder of Greenpeace. And he always, he, he says use
the term ice advances and interglacial because we are

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still in the, the middle of an Ice Age right now.
We just have this to be a warm period of the Ice Age.
Our, our temperatures today are some of the coldest actually of,
of in the last 100 million years.
It's it's quite cool compared tomost of Earth's history.
And the same with carbon dioxide.
Our carbon dioxide levels today are near historically low

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levels. We don't have too much CO2.
We don't have enough. We're actually CO2 impoverished
because plants and crops are underperforming.
They're not performing up to their best potential in terms of
growth and crop production productivity because they could
use a lot more. CO2CO2 and warming are huge

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benefit to agriculture. Absolutely.
So as a scientist, when did you really realize that this talk
about global warming and anthropogenic climate change,
when did you realize something was a little off about the data
and you realized it was a lie? Yeah, that's a great question.

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I, it was 2015, 2016. I'd always, I knew I was always
interested with it, but I was busy actually living a life and
being a geologist. And at that point, I, I knew
that some of what we were being told about climate change that
was just wrong. As a geologist, I knew like, for
example, ocean acidification, itwas just wrong.

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It's not happening. It's never happening that nor
will it ever happen. I knew that because my, my
knowledge base, I suspected other things that we were being
told were incorrect. And so I just did a deep dive
myself and look, when I went back to the base data and look
at myself and frankly angered me, what I found and it was the

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the scientists have been lying to us.
These people that are claiming that there's a climate crisis,
increasing tornadoes, increasingfire, increasing hurricanes, you
name it, flooding, it's all it'sall getting worse.
But when you look at the data and it's it's not, we're
completing a report now on Arkansas.
We're doing these regional studies.

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It's really interesting. What we found there is what we
see other places, but more so isthat actually the hottest days
and actual temperatures have been significantly declining in
the Southeast. Heat waves are dropping.
And if we look at the number of 90% of days that reach 90° or

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more for that area and actually for most of the country that we
see there's those are in decline.
And that's what they're claimingis increase, but it's not the
science, the facts and the data don't support those climbs.
Heat waves peaked 90 years ago in the 1930s.
Yeah. But unfortunately nobody's
around to remember that, right? So as do you believe that there

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is such a thing as an average global mean temperature?
And if so, how would we know? I mean by what method could we
say this is the average? What is the average global mean
temperature? Like 55° or something?
Well, we've got, yeah, we, we have a series of, of weather
stations to report temperature date all over the world. the

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United States has the best of those.
And we find that you're right. It's just to say there's a
global mean temperature, it is just ludicrous.
But we do it anyhow. And they do it because we were,
we're in a warming trend. But that warming trend that
we're in started more than 300 years ago, long before we
started adding CO2 to the atmosphere, long before the

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first Model T rolled off the assembly line, it started
warming. And that was again 300 plus
years ago. This is when the warming started
and it's only been in the last, oh, I should say 60 or 70 years
that we've really began adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere
is in that world post World War 2 economic boom.

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And but we had warming occurringlong, long, long before that.
And you assert that the increasein, in CO2, though more
significant than in, in that past, is not having a direct
corollary effect on the warming of, of the earth.
And, and I believe that I've seen enough science to suggest.

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And of course, I'm not AI, don'thave letters attached to my
name. So nobody cares what I think.
But I, I trust you and I trust others who, who've I've had on
my program. So that it leads to the question
that you've got major influencers like Bill Gates and
others who subscribe. Do you think they know that
they're do you think they're lying or do you think that
they're really deceived? I think in Bill Gates case and

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some of these others, I think they've been deceived because
they just haven't heard anythingdifferent, because they need to
silence people like me and my colleagues at the CO2 Coalition
because we tell the truth and wewe tell a compelling fact based
story about about what's actually happening.
So a lot of them are deceived. They don't know any better.

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Some. Are lying.
Because there's a lot of money. Oh, absolutely.
There's a there's a lot of money, but it's called the
climate grift. And there and again, if you're a
scientist and you've bought intothis and you've been saying it
for 20 years, it's really hard to go back and say, you know
what, I was wrong. There aren't many scientists are
able to do that. There aren't many brave

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scientists willing to stand up and get to all of their peers
and tell the truth. One one of those was Doctor
Peter Ridd in Australia. We've just completed a, a new
illustrated children's book. He collaborated with me on that.
He's top expert on corals and the Great Barrier Raven.
He was fired from his position because he told the truth about

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the healthy nature of the Great Barrier Reef and he fired him.
All right, well, look, we're outof time.
Gregory. It's always great to catch up
with you. A very convenient warming is the
name of the book How modern Warming and More CO2 are
benefiting humanity. And I if if you're if they don't
lock you up before the next time, I'd like to have you back

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on again. Okay, all right.
Let's do it. Thank you, Sir.
I appreciate it. Have a wonderful day.