From Corporate to Coaching: Sasha Eburne's Journey and Financial Insights with Tommy Kilpatrick (Ep. 123)

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Unknown (03:30):
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It is great to be here with you guys on this beautiful Wednesday evening here in Eagle Pass, Texas.
A balmy
97 degrees outside, 80 degrees right now here in the studio even with all the ACs running.

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But that's alright. Nothing slows us down, nothing stops us
from bringing you the best radio we possibly can.
Alright folks,
I was kinda hoping our guest would, already checked in, our first hour guest,
but, they have not yet checked in, so that's okay.

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We'll patiently wait and if, we'll see what happens.
If not, it's gonna be fun because I'll I'll be very, very, very honest with you. I really did did not have time today
to build
an emergency show just in case our guest didn't show up.
But we do have two guests for you tonight. We have our first guest who will be coming in, somewhere between 07:10 or so.

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Sasha Ebern, if I'm saying it correctly.
And then, at 08:00,
we have,
Tommy
Kilpatrick.
Sasha is here. She has to connect
though.
I just got her message on, on the chat.
Let's see.

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Alright. Sasha, you need to connect.
Alright. Well, while she's doing that, we'll, we'll get into,
some,
news here. Some not news, but just some background stuff.
The usual housekeeping stuff. So folks, if,
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So,
let's see. Does, I think Sasha might need some help here. Sasha,
let me see.

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Let me see. She hasn't checked in yet.
The joys of live shows, by the way, folks, you know, you get to deal with this tech stuff right up front.
And the fact that, you know, we are just,

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you know, it's just a one man operation here.
Let's,
fix let's fix this.
Alright. So, Sasha, if you're listening, you need to go into the PodMatch account, go to your messages, click the link that I sent you earlier today with the with the, information for the studio.
Click the studio
link, and then, follow the instructions on the screen there, and turn your camera and your mic on.

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Sasha is messaging us on the live chat, which is hysterical.
So this is great.
Live shows folks. I am so glad it's Wednesday. I'll be honest, because you know, we're off tomorrow, no show tomorrow.
And, while we're waiting for Sasha to do that,

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there's the bell.
So we are, so I was talking about the,
the,
the producer tiers. Now if you wanna help us out, we're doing this while we're in, this is usually the end of the show, but we'll do it now.
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by clicking on
the,
Sasha is here. So she has rescued you from the
the the pitch, the sales pitch. Alright, Sasha. So as I see you up here on the screen, so why don't you just, turn your mic on and turn your camera on and join us here in the show.

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Alright, folks. Now, today, we're gonna be joined by Sasha Eburn,
a powerhouse
business coach, NLP practitioner, and the voice behind the Sasha Eburn,
show. I was gonna say experience, I was gonna Joe Rogan you there.
After a twenty year career in, corporate business management, Sasha went all in on her own virtual assistant business scaling from zero

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to a national team of in of 15 in just six months.
Now she mentors ambitious women worldwide to step into their CEO era and build businesses that work for their lives, not the other way around. Now if you ever wondered what it takes to leap with confidence, scale, and with strategy and lead with heart,
Sasha's the one that you need to be listening to right now. So, again, folks, welcome to the Joe Russo. Sasha, I think you might have to turn your mic on.

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It says There you go. You're good. You are good. Alright.
Let me, let me just take off the banner there because nobody wants to see that all through the show. So there we go. See, these are the joys of doing a live show with, you know, with a one man crew. It's just you sitting here by yourself.
So so this is this is great.
So how are things down under?

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Yeah. It's cold.
Is it really? It's yeah. We've been waking up to, you know, very low six degrees Celsius,
which is I live in Queensland, which is normally quite warm most of the year, but it's been a chilly winter.
Well, I I would like to say the same. Now, I I'm not great with the conversions between,
centigrade and, and and Fahrenheit. So I'm sorry. I'm an American, and I appreciate Fahrenheit. So,

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we we like to do things our own way. The only the only millimeters and things like that we use for is our ammunition. So, It's about 42 Fahrenheit.
Alright. So, let's see. Right now, outside here at, at 07:10PM,
it is 96 degrees.
And, even though I've had the studio ACs and fans running since, oh,
four hours ago, it is, it's a very chill 80 degrees in here right now. So it's gonna be one of those

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one of those evenings. But, you know, you get used to it after a while. It's no big deal. Yeah. It's no big deal. So, Sasha, so tell us something about yourself that most people don't know but should.
Yeah. Well, it's probably something more personal, but I I actually had my daughter on my own, and I kinda feel like everyone knows. And then when I even friends that I've had for some time, they're like, what? So I just hadn't met the met the right guy by the time I turned 30 and then decided to to go off and have a child on my own, and I was very lucky. I I got pregnant first go, and I think that's kind of a little bit of the, I guess, the motivation to really build a bit of a flexible life as well. And, you know, I've had quite a lot of success with that. But,

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you know, I'm quite an open book and, you know, I think that it's it's nothing to hide about. You know, I I love the fact that, you know, I've created this life, but also the fact that I can we can literally just book a flight and go anywhere. We don't need to seek permission from, you know, if I had an x or anything like that. So, yeah, it's it's probably one of those things when people find out, they're like, oh, I didn't know that about you, but it's not something that I hide. It's just to me, it's our normal. It's it's our life.

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Yeah. I I can understand that. I can relate to that in in some ways. I'm I'm single myself. I have it's just me and my two French bulldogs.
And, you know,
people ask me all the time, well, you know, Joe, you're getting old. You need you need you need somebody. My sister panics every time I get sick. You're down there in Texas by yourself. You need somebody to take care of you. I don't need anybody to take care of you. I'm fine.
But, I love the idea of being able to get up and go and, you know, if I wanna load the load the kids up in the car and just take off and take a drive someplace, I can do that without any worries. If I wanna spend money stupidly, I could do that without having somebody screaming at me in the shoulder. You

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know? Yeah. You don't have somebody bleeding down your legs saying you can't you can't buy that. Yeah. You've spent how much on another microphone? Did you need another microphone really?
Microphones are important. Absolutely. Especially especially when you do this. You know, you gotta have the right thing. And I'm
and,
this isn't something that nobody knows about me. This is my audience hears this all the time from me is that I am I am like,

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I guess a little OCD with certain things.
So if I'm if everything has to match,
so Oh, yeah. So if I'm, like, I'm using a Rode mic, so that means my headset has to be Rode, and the the the mixing board is Rode, and all the cables are Rode, and everything's Rode.
So you've got the full setup going on. So when I when I so when I switch to a shore mic, everything gets switched to shore equipment and things like that. So it's just it's a neurosis that I deal with. It's just it's just the way it is. Alright. So what's your what's your go to beverage at the end of the day to help you unwind?

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It's I would say, like, in the past,
it's probably been a nice glass of rose.
However, the last year to two years, I've been on a big fitness journey. So
it's generally water or protein water.
So I know that's probably a little bit boring,
but, you know, it's definitely paying off and becoming a healthy person. No. But I I see a trend in this because everybody that I asked that question to at the start of the show says the same thing. It's water, water, water, water. Some some more specific with Fiji water and and things like that, which is great.

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I'm a bourbon guy. You know, like I I I get I get in from, you know, I have a regular, you know, eight to five job, and you know,
I I get back here to the house in the studio, gets all set up, you know, I like to have a little little bourbon, and to kinda take the edge off. But what I am doing, and since you're into fitness, I'm gonna I'm gonna take this opportunity to to plug something. Alright? Go for it. So most of my audience knows that we are an affiliate with the alexjonesstore.com.

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So we have a link. We have an affiliate link with the alexjonesstore.com/joe,
where you can get your hands on some of the greatest vitamins, supplements, and apparel you can possibly find. Nice. So I take
on a regular, and I plug it because I take it. I don't I'm not telling you to buy something that I'm not actively
taking part in. So I I get the ultimate Irish sea moss, which is fantastic for you.

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It's it's loaded with natural iodine, and it's just amazing amazing supplement for you. And then also take turmeric, which is great because I'm, you know, I'm an older guy, you know, I have arthritis and things like that, and the turmeric they have is fantastic.
I I take their optimal human, which is a a pro
biotic
blend of of just tons. It's there's so much in this stuff that

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they had to use extra fine print to print it all on the label, just so they can fit it all. This stuff is great. To me, it it when I first took it, it was like liquid grass,
but, I've learned to, to to get some fresh fresh lemon juice and just kinda squeeze that in there, and it makes it really nice and goes down well. And it helped me lose some weight. I lost about 30 pounds with it. It's Nice. An unintended

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benefit of it. It's not advertised to do that, but for me, that's what it did.
And then you might be seeing me sipping on this wonderful little blue stuff here. This is, the ultra methylene blue that is also available on the link, alexjonesstore.com/joe.
I I take this, once a day, and this stuff is great because it's a cleanse

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at the mitochondrial
level in your body. It really helps clean out your your cells, your it's just amazing stuff,
and every everybody gets affected differently. Some people, they feel this, like electrical charge that kinda goes through their body and and whatnot.
Some people don't feel anything at all. Some people, like myself, I when I when I take it, I kinda get this,

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almost like a meditative type calm about, but yet even though it's that, I have an energy that
lasts
throughout. It's not like one of those energy drinks where you get all fidgety and crazy and and all that stuff with it and need to drink gallons of it more, but this stuff is really good stuff. And you can get all of this on the alexjonesstore.com/joe.

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And to to the folks interested, don't forget, every time you make a purchase, 10% of your purchase
goes right back here to the show to help us fund all this great stuff. So go check it out. There's my plug for the day, and I'm good. Bill paid. Next.
So I I gotta try to work it in as much as I possibly can. It's great. But no, it's great. This is great stuff. I love it. I I I do it every day and,

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sometimes I'll do it in the morning, some some of it I'll do it in the evening. It doesn't affect your sleep or anything like that. As a matter of fact,
I guess it does affect your sleep in one way. It gives you some wild dreams.
So so Oh, no. So I I'm always looking to be entertained. So if the dreams are entertaining, I'm good. I'm I'm fine. Alright. So, let's see. You grew from one client to being fully booked in three weeks. Yep. Yeah. And and you have a national team

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of 15 within six months. What is the
biggest tool or event that helped you scale so fast?
I think it was just the it was really just the drive for something different. You know, I'd I'd had a very long career in, you know, corporate business, in hotels and hospitality, and I just never was satisfied.

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And I think when I the it was so liberating going in and quitting my nine to five and being like, actually,
this could really be something. And I think because I wanted it so much, I craved for the flexibility.
I craved the working from home. And I think that
I kind of I was always that serial entrepreneur. Like, I tried a lot of things. I tried direct marketing. I'd I'd tried to build a wedding company way back when, and it was kind of always there. And I think it was just like, well,

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this is actually it. And I was so motivated and so driven to have that type of life that I just kept on going. Nothing held me back. I literally worked all day, all night because I was just like, the more people I speak to, the more clients I'll get. And it just slowly built over time. Well, that's great. I you know, it's,
trying to build something, because I because I know I'm trying to build something with this and trying to build a little media empire that I talk about quite a bit. But, it's it's it is difficult. And unless you have the right people around you to help and guide you along the way, it it can be very, very difficult to get something like that off the ground. Now, your method.

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I want you to tell us a little bit about your method, the, the VA way.
Alright. What what what makes that unique, and why does it work so well for women, especially entering into this the the service based space?
Yeah. I think it was the fact that I wasn't afraid to try things. And I think in terms of, let's say, lead generation, for example, I tried everything

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until I found what worked, and then I kept on doing it. And then if it didn't work again, I would tweak it and I would morph it. And I've really just created a lot of my strategies over trying and testing it. Now when I started my business, I didn't even know what a business coach was.
So it wasn't until I started dabbling in the business coach world. I was just like, hey. Well, I've stumbled across something that works time and time again. I built both of my businesses on 85% through Facebook groups, and I was just like, I've really stumbled across something, tried and tested it, and really kind of generated what the strategy was. I was just like, well, why can't I just teach other people? So I started coaching people when I didn't even know that I was a coach, and then it's kind of morphed into that. So I think it's more of a, I'm just not afraid to try things.

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And if they don't work, I don't get disheartened. I just move on and try something else. And I feel like this the big problem that people find in business is they try something and it doesn't work for them,
and they're, like, they just throw their hands up and like, oh, it doesn't work. I don't know what to do now. Right. Yeah. Whereas it's just about learning how to pivot and morph and change your business, but also,
you know, I I do say, like, it's a cliche in terms of, like, actually invest in the people that have done the work, that have tried and tested it. You know, even myself as a coach, coaches need coaches as well. So I've invested, you know, over a $100,000

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in coaches so I can learn the quicker ways that work to also build and grow my business even further than where I was when I built the team of 15. So I think it's about really just establishing the method and the process,
and that's really what I feel like is is different. And that's what I can share with people because it's proven time and time again. Do do you do you really think that social media, it it is helpful in in establishing

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a business and and getting things off the ground? Because I I just from experience, like, I've I've tried, like you said, you know, many times, and I've given up many times.
And I just don't feel like the social media thing gets gets me good traction.
Is that common or is that something that,
you know, you just have to kinda work your way through, charge your way through it, and and, you know, build it up, take it down, build it back up again, keep trying until you get there.

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Yeah. It's about
like, I'll I'll say it does work. However
oh, what happened to my video? Here we go. I'm back. What what actually works is the connection piece.
Is
I use online social media as a form of networking. Mhmm. So whilst I did
use Facebook groups in terms of generating client leads, I also developed my community.

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So I've come from sales where
it was just normal to network with people. So not only did I have word-of-mouth networking, I went to a lot of women women in business networking in the beginning, I also just reached out to people online and not to sell them, but to build a community. And because in the beginning, I was new, I didn't really know anyone in business, so I would find other virtual assistants and I would say, you know, hey. You're down in Melbourne. Can we just jump upon a coffee? I'm new to the industry. Are you happy to have a chat? And everyone was so welcoming to have a chat, and I actually built all these friendships online,

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and it was more the connection and the community that actually, I believe, made it successful. So if somebody was in a Facebook group saying, hey. I'm looking for a VA for this,
then the network that I had created would actually go and recommend me.
So that's where it became really powerful. But in terms of starting a business, in terms of, let's say, Instagram, I actually didn't even have Instagram for the first six months of the business. So I grew to the team of 15 without Instagram.

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And I'd say that was, you know, nearly five years ago. It's way harder to build a presence on social media now because of the amount of people that are on there building their business and playing against the other algorithm. So I don't believe it is the be all and end all. No. And I don't think that you need it to be successful either. Yes. I don't have an Instagram either. Well, technically, I do, but I don't.

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So I I got I got banned on Instagram.
Oh.
Before I even before I even posted anything.
They banned me while I was signing
up. So so now Oh, no. Yeah. No. So we have a now we have a not Joe Roos is who I am or so. Yeah. Yeah. That they let through. The other one. No. But I didn't like the other one. No. That's that's that's alright. I don't I and I don't really use it. I I just don't really have that much time where I could sit there and and do stuff. I guess that's where a virtual assistant would come in handy. Yeah.

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So and that leads into my next question. Now, we we talked about virtual assistants, but there are a lot of people who don't really know what that is. Can you explain what a virtual assistant actually is and what kind of role they they, they follow?
Yeah. Correct. So it really can be anything. So I think originally,
when a virtual assistant was created and virtual assistants have been, I I know that they've been around since well before even February.

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I know a VA that,
was
she was Live show folks.
Yeah. My phone ring.
The she was she set up her business in her
garage using dial up Internet. So it's not a new
but since the pandemic, a lot of people have moved towards this. So in terms of the deaf virtual assistant, it is predominantly a home based business owner offering administration

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services. Now that is, I guess, the title, the label.
However, what I found jumping into it
was that's what I started doing. However, I realized that I was so much more than that. Like, I'd come from management. I'd come from project roles.
And even though I use the label of VA to attract clients, what I was actually doing was way more than that. So in the beginning, yes, I did email management, diary management.

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I was kind of like an EA to somebody remotely,
and then it moved more into
sales. I was doing remote sell selling. I was doing strategy planning. Then I started to get really techie, and then I started to do some email marketing,
building of funnels.
So, again, it goes back to what label do you wanna be associated with because a lot of people, they go into their business and they start being a virtual assistant, but then they might be like, oh, actually, I really like email marketing.

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So they might rebrand themselves or they might use a label per se of saying, I'm an email marketer or an email strategist,
but they still might in some space to say, I'm a virtual assistant
because a lot of people in business, they think that their first hire needs to be a virtual assistant, but actually they need might need a expert in a system or something like that. So

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I, you know, I've created over time, like, an even little list. There's a 101 things that you could do as a virtual assistant,
but, predominantly, a lot of people feel like a virtual assistant is just administration. But it's kind of like the world is endless, and the list is endless of what you can offer. And it's really about how what skills do you already have. So a lot of people have already got the skills from their corporate nine to five. It's just about how do you map that across into business and and offer that to clients.

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Alright. You know,
it it it kinda reminds me a little bit of of what we do with the show here. We do,
as part of our
our, donations,
tiers, we have a number of different ways people can donate. So we part of the thing we do is, your time, your talent, or your treasure. And I call it three t's.
So,

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I have I have a a wonderful person who, helps me out with a lot of the stuff I do with the show and donating her time and her talent and helping me get this up. So in a way, she is kinda like a virtual assistant, you know. Yeah. So I guess I'm actually doing without realizing I'm doing it. That that's that's pretty good. Email marketing, I wanted to ask you about that. You mentioned that a couple of times.

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Given given today with social media, the instant messaging,
you know, the the the chat apps and all that stuff, do you really do you really think that email marketing is something that is,
still
useful for for a business today?
100%.
So using
the emails funnels,

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I've built a database quite quickly over time. I think we're pushing on about seven to eight thousand. And I can honestly say, generally, if I send out an email with the purpose of a sale,
that we will make sales from those emails. I also have a lot of email automations and funnels set up in such a way to lead into one of our coaching programs, and that funnel alone,

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based upon email marketing has made over a $130,000.
So it's definitely
highly recommended to have it, to keep in touch with the audience, to nurture them, to actually take them on that psychological buying journey from interested to a client.
Interesting. Because I I actually have an email list for the show that I have not sent a thing out from for a while because I just don't have time. So I need Yeah. You you need somebody to I need a VA. For sure I need a VA. Well well, I'll have to contract you at some point. Yeah. When I when I get my first Joe Rogan check, I'll I'll I'll do that for sure. Totally.

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Absolutely.
So your your profile says that, you're an NLP practitioner.
So,
could you explain what exactly that is and,
and and how that shapes your coaching practice?
Yeah.
So NLP stands for neurolinguistic
programming. So
it's really all about retraining

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your brain,
and again, taking you from
feeling one way about something to feeling another way. So a lot of times, we find that we have a lot of limiting beliefs, and a lot of limiting beliefs come from generational trauma as we're growing up, incidents that have happened that have made our body kind of go into that fight or flight kind of mode.

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Now using the techniques of NLP,
we actually retrain the brain to actually be okay
with those incidences that happened in the past so that we can move past those limiting beliefs. So especially in business, a lot of people have the they have a fear of failure. Some people even have a fear of success.
Sometimes even the whole I'm not good enough or I'm not worthy enough to charge this money. Now what it comes down to is we're actually all born worthy. It is events throughout our childhood and potentially even the way that we're brought up that we change perception,

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and we create all this fear in our body. Mhmm. So with the techniques in NLP, we can actually move past them so that when things happen to us, we're not triggered,
we don't spiral, we don't go back, and, essentially, it's improving our mindset. So we can show up every day as a extremely happy person,
and we surround ourselves with the right people to keep that ecosystem of our life actually successful,

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happy, and then the ability to actually tackle anything that comes forward to us so that we're not
spiraling to be like, okay. Well, we get a no from a client that it takes us back a couple of months because it triggered an old emotion in us. So really kind of
allowing us to have an abundant mindset
all of the time. And and how does that shape your coaching practice though?

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Yeah. So it's a really interesting question. The way that I coached before I did it,
I I don't even know how I did it. So I did the NLP practitioner course, and then I'm now a NLP master coach. But what I find is
so powerful in my coaching is when they come to a coaching call and they've got a problem, nine times out of 10, it's not that problem. There's normally a root problem that actually it's a money problem or it's a they're lucky in confidence. It's not normally the problem that's presented. And because of the techniques that I've learned and adapted into my life over the last few years, I can generally pull that out of them.

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We do have sometimes we you know, even in a business program, we have clients crying on calls and things like that because we've triggered an emotion in the past,
but it's how do we assist them to actually move forward and pass that.
So it allows me to get to the root cause
of it, and I find that that's where the biggest shift is in my program is because it actually changes humans. They actually have the ability to show up in their business from a very different light and a more of an abundant mindset rather than a scarcity mindset.

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Because I find in the past before I had that, people would come in, they do the program, but they wouldn't change.
They wouldn't change to be that person that could show up and, you know, ask for the right amount of money, or they would feel guilty about asking for, you know, more money from their clients and things like that. And that's where the change happens. Because if they don't make that change, they're still gonna be running the old programming
from, like, the nine to five where you're, you know, you're taught

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to play small or, you know, the the whole color between the lines, leave your problems at the door. Like, all of those things that were fed, you know, in the nine to five, it's how do we get rid of all of that old programming and adopt a new programming in in our business. So it it has changed the game in terms of the transformation that I can get for my clients.
That's fascinating. I I and I'm I'm probably gonna wanna talk to you more about this on another show. Show. I wanna spend some more time on that if we could do that because I think Yeah. What you describe what you just described as as NLP, I I I think that's really interesting, and I'm, like, I'm I'm intrigued by it. I wanna try to get more into that, when we have more time, maybe we should just book a two hour thing at some point. Alright.

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Alright. So what, now you you tailor your business mostly toward helping women. Correct? Yeah. Alright. So, what are the most
I wanna say, common
blocks or or or maybe fears that you see that hold women back from scaling?
Certainly the fear of failure.

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Okay. And it's the, oh, this isn't working. This is too hard. It's easy to go back to my nine to five.
And that is just an old programming of feeling unsafe.
Okay. And a a lot of people get to the point where they're like, I've tried this for five days. It doesn't work. Now I need to throw my hands up in the air.
And that's
that's the old programming. So it's a the thing is

(32:40):
as much NLP techniques that I can use, if somebody is unwilling to change and they wanna stay in their story or stay in their stuckness,
it's gonna come down to them. So not everybody will change using my techniques
because it's it is a self thing. So they have to be open to it and they have to actually want to change. Whereas a lot of people just they like holding on to their stories, and that has shaped their identity sometimes, and people don't like to let go of their identity

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or create a new one.
Now earlier you said that that you're a mom. Right? You're you're a single mom.
Yes.
Balancing
a business,
taking care of taking care of a family.
Yep. Takes a lot of time. It does. Yes. Both aspects of it. Both take a ton amount of time.

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How do you balance
being a mom,
being being a a a successful businesswoman,
and and keeping everything
that
is important to you in life all in balance, are there like, in other words, are there any boundaries or or or,
things that you won't cross

(33:48):
between motherhood and and business and or or you you know where I'm going? Because I don't know where to go. I think, one, it's a support system as well.
I have a lot of help in my business, and I do also now have a PA
that helps a lot with the personal stuff. Because once I'd really worked out how much time we actually spend being a mom, booking

(34:09):
appointments in, researching, holidays, all of that, it it worked out to be sometimes fifteen hours. And I'm just like, this is why I'm not getting as far forward in my business. So I have a a PA that does all of those and manages that, manages my diary. So the support system helps in outsourcing. Like, I outsource my laundry. I get a cleaner in, all of that so that I can be a present mom because, otherwise, I would have to be choosing from,

(34:36):
you know, actually keeping the household in order or working, and I don't wanna have to do that. When I'm not working, I wanna be present for her. And And I think the other thing that I've adopted is I don't have a typical work schedule in in turn of it's not a Monday to Friday, nine to five thing. It's a Monday to Sunday thing, and sometimes it might only be a couple of hours
a day
when she's not there. So, like, if she's sleeping on a weekend, I might do a couple of hours at night to kind of, you know, get ahead or to do something that I'm really excited about doing. So when we do travel and we do travel a lot, we've just come back from five weeks in Bali.

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Because I'm not bound to that Monday to Friday,
it's a we can literally go and travel when whenever,
however, and for however long because as long as I do a couple of hours a day,
seven days a week,
the business can still move and I can still be a present mom. And I think a lot of us were so conditioned to be like, oh, I have to do my hours in here. Otherwise, it doesn't happen. So it's just

(35:30):
creating the business to suit my life, not the other way around and not having to think that I have to work within certain hours because that's what we've been told our whole lives. And I wanna apologize.
I I got a little distracted there as as you were speaking. I'm having a technical problem on the side here, and I'm I'm trying do. And I'm trying to get that that corrected as you're speaking because it's gonna affect something later on, and I and I apologize. No problem. Totally apologize.

(35:53):
Did you get this sorted? No. No. I'm probably gonna have to probably, in between your your your portion and our next guest, I'm gonna have to reset some stuff. So Okay. But it it'll work.
Again, folks, live show weeknights Yeah. Live show. 7PM Central time. This is my fresh live show. I'm quite quite enjoying it. Is it really? You know yeah. Off the cuff and Oh, I love it. Do it and just yeah. I love doing live shows. I I, you know, and this is not a knock against anybody that records their shows or does, you

(36:22):
know, recorded videos, prerecorded stuff, whatever you wanna call it. I just like doing the live show because,
first of all, it keeps you sharp. It makes you have to think and change things on the fly. Yeah. And I also find that doing a recorded show gets me lazy
because I will sit there and say, well, I don't have to record now. I can do it later. I can do it later. I can do it later. And then the next thing you know, you have your deadline,
and it's like, crap. I'm not ready. Yep. So this, I'm committed. With my my podcast, it was just like, oh, that's right. That's another thing I have to do this week. Whereas, I love this. This is great. Yep. And actually, I was gonna I was gonna come to your podcast. So, so tell us about that. Are you, are you still podcasting? Because I

(36:58):
I I went to look for your podcast, and I I didn't I couldn't find it.
It's no. It's it's there. It's still live, hopefully. I mean, I'm still paying the paying the subscription for it to be there.
It
is
not currently recording,
and that is only because there's been a huge change and a huge pivot in our audience and in our business.

(37:20):
Yeah. It's still it's still live, the Sasha Ebony Show. You can see it there. You're on, are you on Apple Podcasts?
Apple Podcasts and
Spotify.
Okay. I have to check. So that's
that's not where I looked. So
Oh, okay. Alright.
Yeah. So I haven't recorded a podcast all year. We did take a break. However, I've been having this niggling thing in the background being like, I think you need to bring it back. I think you need to bring it back. Exactly how that feels. Time and space for that now. And I think now that we've really solidified

(37:50):
where we're taking the business, the growth, potentially another business coming on board, that there's kind of time and space for that. So, yeah, when when that happens, I'll reach out. Yeah. Definitely. Please. When, when,
I'd I had been doing podcasting for years, for a long time. I started in 2015,
2016
before they called it podcasting. It was it was Internet radio.

(38:11):
And, so that that's kinda why, you know, my show is a little bit different than most. It sounds more like a radio show than it does. It does. Yeah. A podcast. Yeah. So,
because I like that. That's fun. To me, it's fun.
So I started back in 2016, 2015, somewhere around there. Made,
I'm not native to Texas. I'm I'm from New York.
And, so I was living in New York,

(38:32):
and me, my friend JP, and my friend Joe, we had a show together. And it was fun because I was the I was the sole voice of sanity. I was the conservative on the show. And then you had the the the liberal lunatic in Jay, and then you had the you had the the libertarian,
you know, hey, whatever, in Joe, the other Joe. So we balance each other out really well. And then,

(38:54):
we ended that when I came up here, because the technology just wasn't really wasn't there at the time to do it remote the way we do things now.
So we kinda let it slide and let it go, and then it started up again.
Didn't just wasn't feeling it, so I let it go. Then I started doing another one about three years ago,
and I did that consistently twice a week up until,

(39:16):
November, this past November. And I was like, you know what? I it was a it was a different show. It was totally different. It wasn't politics. It wasn't anything like this. It was it was a bible study show.
And,
you know, it just I I ran into what I call preacher's block. I couldn't come up with anything new and fresh. So and I I don't like,
we call it, you know, digging into the files or digging into the cans and pulling some stuff Okay. Stub stuff out and

(39:39):
rehashing old material. So I decided to, you know, just get take let's take a break. And like you, you get that little nag in the back of your head. Mm-mm.
So I started doing this one in January, and this thing has just taken off to the point where it's it's becoming somewhat unmanageable.
But it's a lot of fun that I love doing. I I I like I said, I have a regular job. I I I cannot wait to sit down in front of the mic and do stuff. That this is this is home for me. I love this. This is a lot of fun. So you gotta get back into it. You gotta get your show back up there. I love to encourage people to do a podcast.

(40:14):
Everybody should do a podcast at some point just to experience it. It is the it is great. And again, because I there's no way in my everyday life that I would meet someone like you.
There or there's no way that or or any of the other guests that I've that I've interacted with and the folks that I've met through the podcasting world, it's such a great experience.

(40:34):
I am definitely a better, more well rounded person from meeting folks like this and and, and and having these conversations. Because a lot of the stuff that you're talking about is all new to me too. You know, I know what I've read, I know what I've researched, and I know what I prepped for,
but
to hear you actually explain it is it's eye opening for me. I'm learning things, and not just from you, from other guests and whatnot. So it's a lot of fun. I encourage it, and that's a digression,

(40:56):
as I get to the next question. And that is,
so if someone's like myself, if someone's feeling stuck, overbooked, or,
or or really unsure of just how to build sustainability, where should they start?
I think if you're kinda feeling stuck of what you're doing,
what I really encourage my clients to do is actually,

(41:19):
you know, take a deep dive into yourself.
You know, what is it that lights you up?
You know, what could you do day in and day out and be like, this is actually my life. I love this. You know, it sounds like for you that you love podcasting. Like, how cool would it be if you did podcasting
for full time?
And so I find those things that make you go, like, excited. And when I do my calls with my clients and they're like, oh my god. This is exciting. I wanna jump in. I'm like, that's where the magic is because that's what life is actually about.

(41:49):
I don't, you know, I do not believe that we'll
well, to go to a job that we hate, to work with people that, you know, you don't align with, that you don't connect with. Like, that's not what life is made for. So I think it's really
an explore a self exploration
and even looking at what are the other things that people are doing. What are the businesses that people are doing? You know? And there's nothing wrong with the nine to five if you love it and if you love being around those people that you're in. But if there's any inkling inside you that, like, actually, I do not like going there every single day, they're not my people. Like, I wouldn't sit down and have a you know, did you say Scotch or bourbon? Bourbon. Same thing. Yeah. You know, if you wouldn't sit down and have a bourbon with them, then why do you need to go and spend nearly your entire life going to this office with them Very true. If they're not gonna be your people. So that's really what I encourage them to do, a bit of self exploration and just a bit of research. Because,

(42:42):
you know, since being in this online space, the amount of careers and businesses that I've seen, I'm just like, you do that for a living? I've never even heard of that. There's like the world is endless. You could literally do anything. And I think a lot of people just live in that fear of, oh, no. It's too risky to change or, you know, that's just too foreign because we're we're conditioned.
We go to school. We go to university. You go to a job. You claim the corporate law. That's how we're conditioned.

(43:07):
So it's it's very unsafe in the body to explore outside of that. But I think it's once you find that thing that's like it's a light bulb, it's just like,
that's exciting.
It's hold on to that feeling and just go for it and try it and work through it. And I think just
deep exploration and also just research to actually open your eyes to the world that's out could actually do.

(43:29):
So,
in in the years that you're doing
the work that you do,
I'm sure you've come across some really interesting,
some strains, unexpected
moments
as a business coach. Yeah. Of course.
Why don't you share a couple of those experiences with us
of of the strange, the unexpected?

(43:49):
Oh, I don't know where where I could take this. I think You could take it anywhere you wanna take it. You know, this is an anything and everything show. Nothing is censored, watered down, or PC. So go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I think probably
the exploration
into spirituality.
And I think I've come from such a
I'm a very much a straight one eighty.

(44:10):
I don't believe in anything outside of us. And I think the more and more I've done the work, the more and more I've, like, opened myself up to, you know, the energetics of the universe and a bit of manifestation
and things like that. And I think
that's not what I expected.
And I think that there's a lot to be said for actually intentionally creating the world around us and actually knowing that we have a plot to pay in that. And I think in terms of how, like, it sounds weird even when I say it out loud. However, what I've learned and, you know, even just played with it a little bit, I'm just like, actually, we're totally in control of creating our entire reality.

(44:46):
And I think a lot of people would be like, oh, that just sounds too woo woo for me. And I think, like, that's what I was like a couple years ago. I was just like, what is this woo woo? And the more and more I've done the mindset work, the more and more I believe that there's certainly, you know, a lot of power to it and a lot of intention behind it as well. So, you know, with that has come with seeing a lot of people do things

(45:06):
that
I can't can't even explain.
And,
well, you know, I've I've been in of coaches, and some people, they talk about channeling
and potentially channeling light language, which I'd never even heard of. But if you Google it, they talk about it's a a light language that you can

(45:28):
essentially when your body is vibrating at the highest frequency,
like, all of this stuff. And it's just kind of up this entire world
of I I don't I don't know what. And it's just kind of like
to see it, and I'm just like, how did I how was I so unaware of all of this before?
And it's kind of less it's just so foreign to a lot of people, but it's just like actually, there's just this whole spiritual community out there.

(45:55):
And, you know, even Yeah. There is. Tapping into even, like, if you talk about, like, spirituality
sometimes goes into science of things and breath work. You know, breath work is a science and turns out as humans, we don't even breathe properly. So, you know, I've gone and done my breath work certification
and sound healing for sound baths. And there's actually, you know, a whole lot of different healing modalities as well that, you know, I guess for me was very foreign on my coaching journey. I've never heard of that. Sound a sound bath?

(46:22):
Yeah. Like like crystal sound bowls where they actually play the bowls, and it's,
the frequency of the sound,
they say, can actually help different parts of your body. Really? In in Australia, it's it's actually really big. Like, a lot of people will go to, you know, a sound healing session just for relaxation.
And it's becoming quite a big movement in in this country of, like, the sound bowls or the Tibetan bowls. Even in Bali, they've got these huge big pyramids

(46:47):
that you can go and lay in and listen to just all this beautiful sound that they're musically playing that can relax your body.
Oh, that's interesting. I I I I've never heard of that. That that's wild. I know here,
I've been meeting more and more people that are into light therapy.
They'll do things, like like red rooms and,

(47:09):
you know, different color lights to sleep with and and just to
just to spend time in. And, Yeah. It's in that same same space. Yeah. And and, you know, I mean, I know some people who do it for nefarious reasons also, but, you know,
it's it's
it's fascinating to me though. And and I noticed that also a trend in a lot of the people that I've been speaking to and guests that I've had on the show,

(47:32):
there is a trend more into that that,
that, Eastern
meditative,
philosophy
and,
meditative religious practices and so on,
that
is fascinating to me. You know, I I
I, you know, I'm like I said, I'm a I'm a born again Christian. I've been a Christian since, you know, July 2000 of the year February,

(47:56):
you know. And, you know, a lot of the things that that people have been talking about more have kind of poo pooed in in that community, you know. But, I think it's all a matter what you do with it, to be quite honest with you. I mean, there's nothing wrong with exploring it and
and and understanding
it.
So I'm I'm I'm learning about these things and and I find it
absolutely fascinating.

(48:17):
One of the things that,
that I I've been looking at is the the idea of meditations.
Now, you know, in in Christian circles, they talk they say you're supposed to meditate on the word of God. Alright? Well, what is meditation?
True. You know, meditation is contemplating, is thinking, it's it's clearing your mind and focusing on one specific thing. Alright? So why is,

(48:38):
why is
Eastern
philosophical meditation
looked at so negatively?
You know, I I I just still haven't figured that out yet.
Yeah. And it talking about
meditation, when I first started in business with a lot of the clients that I was working with, they actually, like, had it in their diary, like, meditate for twenty minutes. And it seems to that was kind of when I first started to get exposed to it. And I was just like, maybe there's something here because all the successful people that I know of all do meditation and, like, hypnotherapy. And and it's it's it's kind of that same principle. It's just, like, actually just kind of rewiring we

(49:15):
I always get stuck on that bread. We're rewiring the brain Yeah. Because the more and more you say it to yourself, the more and more you start to to believe it.
So it kind of is in that same space, but then, yeah, I started to be exposed to meditation hypnotherapy. And what I identified was the people that did it was successful. So I was just like, well, I'm gonna try it. Oh, why not? Sure. I mean, especially if you have if you see a track,

(49:38):
excuse me, a track record of success in something, why not try it out? It might be something that can benefit you. It might benefit your business or it just make just overall make you
a better person. I hate saying I hate saying phrases like that, but but but you know you know where I'm going with that. It's core groups. Yeah. Yeah. So so I I I think that's really fascinating stuff. And and, as a matter of fact,

(50:01):
starting in August, August 5 is is, I think, the first date, we're gonna be, partnering with a group,
called, Ezra Healing.
And, we're gonna be doing a show just exclusively
myself and and the the owner of of Ezra Healing. I'm gonna be talking about,
these meditative processes and and spirituality
in in in that regard,

(50:23):
and alternative health,
options and and protocols and,
holistic attack,
or approaches to medication medicines,
and healing. It's gonna be a fascinating thing, and I'm really looking forward to it. So I would encourage you to come, you know, check it out if you can. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. It'd be great to have you there.
So,
so so, yeah, I'm I'm kinda moving my way over that way more, and I'm starting to see also that,

(50:46):
you know, a lot of the things that we were told in in modern medical,
medical practices
are just not true.
You know, I I I've
I always put my blind faith and trust in what the doctor said because the doctor is the doctor, and he went to all this schooling and all that stuff. And then I realized that,
very recently because,

(51:08):
I love my doctor, and I don't know if he watches or not, but I love him. He's a great guy, but I find myself
doing more research and prep going in for one of our,
appointments.
And I'm telling him what my problem is, and I'm telling him what the diagnosis is, and I'm telling him this is how you treat it. And he'll Yeah. He'll just like, oh, okay.

(51:28):
You know,
where did you get your doctorate?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where did you go to university? Yeah. Web WebMD, bud. And and nine out of 10 times I'm right.
So,
you know, it,
and so so I don't really have that much confidence anymore
in the the traditional medicine,
you know.

(51:49):
I'm looking for alternative ways of treating things, and,
and taking care of things. It's it's
I don't know. Since since I've started doing and this isn't another plug for the vitamins and stuff like that, but since I started taking some of the stuff from from the shop,
you know, it's it really it's been a lot different. Like, I I was on so many different medications for for, like, arthritis and and blood pressure and all that stuff. You know, I just started eating better,

(52:13):
more organically. I I just modified my diet just a little bit, changed it believe it or not, just excuse me, changed the type of salt that I used. You know, all of that stuff helped, you know. Now I'm not I'm slowly coming off of the the,
the the medications, you know, the pharmaceutical medications because
what I've come to realize is that they're really not interested in making you healthy.

(52:37):
They're really not. They're they're they're interested in keeping you hooked on the medication, so you keep coming back.
It's a business. Absolutely. That's exactly what it's become. It's become a business. It's not a matter of healing anymore. Now it's, you know, it's okay. Well, I'm gonna and and if you want proof of that, just look at the ads that you see for pharmaceuticals.
You know, you have all of these side effects

(52:59):
for one medication you're taking to take care of your blood pressure for example. You have all these side effects,
and oh guess what? There's a medication to take care of some of those side effects. So I'm gonna put you on that medication. I'm gonna put you on that med I thought the whole point of it was to get off of medications and get healthy and not be dependent on medications.
Yeah. Totally. You know, so so that's that's kind of where I've I've been with this whole thing, and that's why I've been so much more interested in studying the the,

(53:23):
you know, the the Eastern meditative,
philosophies and religions and stuff like that, because I just in a lot of ways, it just seems more
healthy.
You know? And,
so I don't know. That's kind of often a little bit of a rabbit trail there. I got to preach in a little bit. Sorry.
Okay. But, let me ask you this because I don't know we're running out of time already.
Who is one woman that you admire in the entrepreneurial space right now?

(53:48):
I mean, there's there's
many. There's many, but probably the one that I look up to that I'm constantly always, you know, wanting to jump into her training programs or, you know, watching on social media is is the one that I did my,
training with, and that's Elizabeth Ann Walker. She's here on the Gold Coast.
And she just generally, like, has a heart of gold. She always wants to help everybody.

(54:11):
And
literally all of the training that I've done with her has changed my life. So, yeah, very much look up to her.
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Still with us? Nah. Okay. Yes. I'm Oh, yeah. Tuned you out. Right? I wanna jump in. I wanted you to finish. For a second there, I thought I lost you. I thought your free your your, your your feed froze because you're just like, just so emotionless. I mean, that was great. It's like that's what that's what meditation does for you folks.

(56:30):
Yeah. Alright. So who's somebody that you,
deeply respect right now? And what are they doing that we should be paying attention to? Similar to the woman you admire, but this is just doesn't have to be a woman. It could be anybody.
It can even be me if you want. Yeah. I
Sorry. I didn't know if I was Never mind. Never mind. Sorry. Forget it. Yeah. No. I think, a lot of the the, you know, the big players in the space that, you know, can fill rooms of thousands and thousands of people and have such a, you know, big impact. So, you know, the likes of Tony Robbins and,

(56:58):
you know, doctor Espen and, you know, a few of those ones, like, just,
you know, changing the world one event at a time and certainly, yeah, admire all the work that they're doing. No. I met Tony Robbins once.
You did? See, he's NLP. Yeah. Just one time. I just He's like the guru of NLP.
I I just had to know that, but that's that's interesting. I met him how long ago? It was a while ago. It was back when I was in New York. He was doing something and I was working a detail up there, and, he was there. So I I got a chance to meet him very briefly.

(57:25):
Big
big guy. You know, pretty pretty tall. Yeah.
Yeah. Big big big guy.
Yeah. Yeah. So, if you could, if you could take a moment and just speak one sentence, just one sentence, into the minds of anyone and everyone that's listening right now, and know that it would stick, what would that sentence be?
You have the ability to create whatever you wanna create and the life that you wanna create.

(57:49):
Oh, that's great. Another one that just did it in one sentence. That's fantastic. For the first time I ever asked somebody that question, it it took thirty minutes to get an answer. So it was great.
Yeah.
I I understood the assignment. You said one sentence.
And I I don't care. I mean, we're not really up against the clock too much, usually. But, today we are.
Alright. Sasha, so this was this was great. We're gonna we're gonna have to wrap it up here. But, where could our audience go to get more information about you, your work, and any upcoming projects that you're working on?

(58:20):
Yeah. For sure. So Instagram is where I hang out. I'm always in my DMs having a voice mail chat if you wanted to say hi. So that's just my handle is sasha eburn underscore underscore, or you can head over to my website, which is sashaeburn.com.
Outstanding. Outstanding. Sasha eburn, thank you so much for spending the time with it. What time is it by there over there? It's tomorrow. Right? Just about to go yeah. Just about to go 11AM.

(58:42):
Alright. So you're you're the future girl. So We are. Yep. We are in the future. So so how do things look in the future?
Pretty damn good. Alright. That's great. Positivity, we like that on the show. Sasha Ebern, thank you so much for being with us. You have a great day, and, I will be, emailing you some information very very shortly.
And,
we'll wrap this whole thing up there. Alright? Amazing. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much. Take care now. You have a great night. Or day. Great day. Sorry.

(59:08):
Alright. Thank you. Sasha Eburn, folks. Thank you so much again for taking that time to be with us here, today.
Tomorrow over there. Well, tomorrow for us, but today for her.
You you you get it. You know what I'm saying. Alright. Alright. So what we're gonna do here now folks, we're gonna take a very very quick break. We have our next guest coming up, Tommy

(59:30):
Kilpatrick
is going to be with us very very shortly. And, but I'm gonna take this break to, just reset everything, get ready for the next guest, hit the little boys room, and,
we'll be back in a few minutes. So folks, seriously, though, don't forget, this is a live show weeknight 7PM central time, Saturdays at 3PM central time, and Sundays at 6PM

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So we'll be back in just a few minutes with Tommy Kilpatrick,
and, we will catch up to you
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Up and down,
counting out,
smiling through the taste of flood in my own mouth.
I got bruises
and broken bones,
but they don't know I ain't in this ring alone.

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I'm a fighter.
No one can say that I'm a running
hider.

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Tired. I'm a fighter.
I get back up.
That's what I
do.
I didn't soldier
on this far,
just lose.

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Just take your shot.
Is

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Had to take a minute to go grab my
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I was almost tempted actually to get another,
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I have no idea how that's gonna affect me if I do a second
full dosage.

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We're gonna have to scale that down at some point.
Alright. Well, right now,
waiting in the wings here
is a man

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who turned
$85,000
of crushing debt
by credit card into a mission
to wake people up to the truth about bank issued loans, quote, unquote, loans.
Tommy Kilpatrick
was riding high after landing a book deal and infomercial opportunity until it all collapsed, leaving him holding a bag.

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But instead of filing bankruptcy,
he filed lawsuits.
And what happened next is something every American
with a credit card needs to hear. Now if you ever wondered what really backs your credit card
or your credit card debt or whether that balance is even real, I've questioned that a few times in my life,
this conversation is a is gonna challenge everything you thought you knew about money. So, folks, let's welcome Tommy Kilpatrick

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to the Joe Russo. Tommy, are you out there, buddy?
He's checked in, but, he's not there. Okay.
Let's see. Let's give him a minute. Tommy Kilpatrick, are you out there my friend?

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Alright. So once again, this is a live show. It seems to the things that you deal with on a live show.
Well well, we almost had him.
Yeah. It's kinda it's kinda like catching a fish on a hook, you know. You you you get him for a second, they fall off, you gotta kinda get him back in again. There he is. There he is. Hey, Tommy. Here I am. Okay. Tommy Kilpatrick, welcome to the show. And again, this is a live show, so I'm very thankful that you're wearing clothes. We did have an experience once like that.

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Person jumped on the live
video feed there, didn't have a shirt on. So we thank you for that. We appreciate
it.
Alright.
Oh, my goodness.
So, Tommy, so this is the first time we've actually met. So this is, you know, we've we've kinda had some some banter back and forth there through the chat apps, and it was great. Always appreciate the feedback and and,
and and the comments, and so thank you so much for, for for joining us here on the show tonight.

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Always like to start off with something kind of like a like a like a a warm up question, kinda get you loose in the bullpen.
So what's something most people don't know about you that should know about you?
Well, about twelve years ago, the wife said get out and take the dog with you, and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I became homeless.

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Salud, brother. Salud.
Okay.
And, I
did the homeless,
angle for on purpose. Mhmm. So I could have always had a house, but I chose not to. And I took a vow of poverty
so I could feel what it's like. I've always been had money. Mhmm. So for ten years, I had a vow of poverty. And so at times, I was hungry and didn't have a place to stay, but the generosity of people across The United States were fantastic. Wow. And I never burden. I always swapped something. Let me do something for you

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if I can stay here. So it wasn't just a a handout. I was looking to connect with people. So That's fantastic. You know? And and and that's really fascinating too. I mean, not not just the fact that I mean, you actually gave up the opportunity to have a home,
a place to sleep every night, basically live out on the streets,
depending on

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yourself and others to actually help you along the way here,
that is that's that's pretty impressive. When when my marriage came to an end, now the first thing I did is found a place to live, you know? So,
it that's, you know, I I did give you credit for that, my friend. I really do.
So I'm gonna ask you one more one more softball question here. Alright? And and this is very important. How you answer this question depends on whether or not I disconnect you. Alright?

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What
what's your go to beverage to unwind at the end of the day?
Water.
Everybody. What is with you know, look, I like water just like anybody else, but nobody's
everybody says water. I'm a bourbon man. Okay? I come home from work. I I like to pour myself a little bourbon and just kinda
decompress. Either that or I drink my well, it's finished now, my ultra methylene blue. But,

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yeah. Or
When I was when I was a when I was a commercial diver, I was working in Louisiana,
and I went to New Orleans to enjoy that. And I saw on the on the menu a mint julep, and I went, I'll have one. And they served it, and that was bourbon. And I went, oh my gosh. So ever since then, I would drink, like, wild turkey, but straight Yeah. And whole sips and stuff like that. Never watered it down. So I I had stopped drinking about 20 ago. I just found I wasn't finishing the beer and, you know, why bother. So Oh, I get you. I I went, I went twenty five years

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without a drink
until,
my marriage fell apart. And then I went right then I went back to it for some solace, became a temporary alcoholic,
and, since then, you know, I like to I like to partake,
you know, on a weekend maybe. In all seriousness, I don't people must think I I drink all day long, every day. No, I don't. I have, I'll have a drink on the weekend, you know, and and just kind of relax after a long week.

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It's kind of like,
it's kind of like, same thing with cigars. Like I I like cigars too, and
so there's nothing better than pairing a good bourbon with a good cigar. And,
you know, I look at it like my victory dance. And I made it through the week, I didn't kill anybody. So I'm good, you know? We're
we're in good shape there, bud.
But,
I don't I don't smoke, but I understand from the cigar smokers that the stinkiest cigar is the best tasting. Am I was am I was this going to make sense? Yeah. But to a point, yeah. It depends on the blend, really. I like,

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there there's a great cigar that I I love. I talk about it all the time. It's it's a it's a Camacho,
which is the brand, Triple Maduro. So it's, it's it's it's dark all the way through. The darker the cigar, the stronger the cigar, the more rich the flavor of the cigar, and of course, the more strong it is in odor and and and and and fragrance. Let's put it that way. And, so Yeah. So it it And they're they're not cheap, you know, that's why I don't have them all that often. I am I do I do, you know, podcast, so it's not like, you know, make any money really. But,

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you know, it's,
it it it's something I enjoy. I've been doing it for many, many, many years, and the great thing about cigars too, and and and I I I bet you I'm gonna have to put a disclaimer somewhere
in the show notes about smoking and all that stuff. But,
the, the great thing about cigars though, it's not like a cigarette where you crave it and you need it, because it's not there's there's no added,

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chemicals to the tobacco. It's just all natural.
So you're not getting that synthetic,
you know, com
compounds that are just that just make you crave it. Like, you'll never see,
a cigar smoker at a fifteen minute smoke break. It just doesn't, you know, it doesn't happen.
I've I've gone

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months, years without smoking a cigar because
I didn't have time for it. You know, if you're gonna smoke a cigar, you gotta sit back, you gotta relax and enjoy it, you gotta have the time to do it. A good cigar should take you about forty five minutes to an hour to smoke. You know, not fifteen minutes. You're not gonna see my chain smoking cigars either. You know? And, I think they're a little bit healthier for you than cigarettes because, again, because all the chemicals and stuff they add.

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So maybe you won't get lung cancer, but you get tongue cancer, tooth cancer, gum cancer, mouth cancer, you know, that's kinda, you know.
Alright. Alright. Alright. Too far. Alright. Not bad.
Just a couple of guys talking, bro. That's all we are. That's all it is. So Tommy, your your story
your story starts with a dream that went sideways.
And I think we could agree with that. You know, take us back to the moment when your when your, book deal

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and your infomercial
opportunity first came together, and, tell us what you were feeling about that.
Well, it was back about 02/2004.
I had written a book on health and healing, and I was given a contract for a infomercial.
And the company,
also had, you know, its best market and see what was the best approach to people. So we do that by radio,

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interviews.
And so for about six months, I used my three credit cards to live on.
And then one of the talents got in trouble with the FTC.
And so the new talent got canceled our contracts.
So I was stuck with $85,000,
but I was promised a 100,000 a month. It was such a popular book, and it was such a great thing. So 85,000, no big deal if I make it a 100,000.

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So they put me in a tailspin for about a month, and then I woke up one morning and I thought of my dad being a CPA. And I was in school had been in school to be a CPA. Even though I didn't ever get the credential, I'd I'd done the work at one.
And
I realized the bank didn't have an invoice,
so there was no debt.
And then it dawned on me from my accounting class in a banking,

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section. We read the book, Modern Money Mechanics,
and it's in the show notes.
And it says on page six, what banks do is they accept a promissory note,
and what they do is they write numbers in your checking account, basically, your free checking account. Mhmm. So I realized I didn't sign a promissory note.
My father at the time was a judge and attorney. We had long conversations

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about how fraud undoes contracts.
And so the Supreme Court has ruled over and over again that if there's fraud involved, you don't have a contractual agreement.
So what I did is saw a YouTube video, and the guy said it's so easy to file a federal lawsuit. And so I did in federal court, and that's what happened.

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Wow. Now
so but this but what you're talking about is for bank cards. Bank like like a bank like a Chase card or
this is not talking about
privately owned
credit card companies. Correct?
Absolutely
correct. We have to be very clear about this. I'm not saying get out of your debt. I'm not one of those people at all. What I'm saying is that there are true credit cards. And think about this, You need tires, and so you go to a tire store, but you don't have the money. They say, oh, apply for the in store

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credit card. And if you're approved, we'll put tires on your car, drive away, and you'll pay us later. You go great. And you get approved. And what happens at the end of the month, you get a statement. That's a true statement. They have an invoice. It's an outstanding
unpaid invoice, and you owe the money.
Look on the back of Walmart, your department store card. If on the back of that credit card, it says issued by Bank of America,

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Citibank,
Wells Fargo, then it's a bank issued credit card, alleged credit card, and that's where we can eliminate this,
alleged debt. And that's it's never with a debt in the first place. We'll kinda get into that of what it's what it is and what it's not. But there are legitimate credit cards. You have to pay those, and you can tell by if it's a true credit card by that true company that's not backed by a bank. So you might think of American Express, but you look it up, American Express is a bank. So even though they don't have bank at the end of the word, they're still a bank.

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It's interesting. I gotta check my credit cards.
I I do. I need to check. I I I really do. Because I I have some credit card debts like anybody else does, we all do. And it would be nice to be able to kinda discharge this debt, you know,
especially if it's crushing. I mean, $85,000
in debt, like you said, that that's absolutely crushing. There was absolutely no way
you're able to pay unless unless you're making, like you said, you have book deal a $100,000 a month. There's no way you're paying that back anytime soon, and over the course of time and the life of that, of that debt, you're you're paying sometimes triple

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the amount that you actually used. And so, yeah, I I I got definitely gotta check my credit cards there. So you mentioned the the difference between real credit and, credit card debt and an alleged one. We understand that, you know, bank owned and versus privately owned.
And you also sued major banks. Correct?

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Yes. So, as I said,
I had come across the idea that they didn't really have a debt. So how can I resolve this? Because I filed three federal lawsuits. Okay. I also had some help by going to a law library and also having a follow-up with a judge and attorney. So we got our
complaint very well written.
So in there, I explained the crime that the banks are doing,

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and I also mentioned that if you issue a ten ninety nine c
it's important to say that because what banks do, if you borrow money and you don't pay them back,
they issue a ten ninety nine c to the IRS, which says that you made a $100,000
and didn't pay the bank. They're then able to take a $100,000
tax deduction.
K? Okay. So in there, I said, if they issue me a ten ninety nine c, I'm gonna file a thirty nine forty nine a.

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So
when I was growing up, I had the IRS as part of my DNA because my dad was a CPA. So,
what that is is a form that you fill out that,
alleged alleges a false
document has been filed with the IRS, and that pulls the bank into tax fraud and,
other crimes they'd be committing. So I never got a ten ninety nine c. So if you think about it, I never oh, back it up. The judge threw my case out, so I lost. Right? Right. Well,

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then it's back to I'm getting getting sued. How am I gonna pay this 85,000, which is now gonna be a lot more because the legal fees? And then I looked, about a month later at my credit report, and they were gone.
All three were gone.
And I'm going, what the heck happened?
And so
I could have appealed
the court's ruling

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and could have got back on track.
We were right about at the deposition state, and that's when the bank is not gonna allow anyone to interview any of their employees
because they don't have a debt. So the judge must have gotten word or he read the complaint, and he called me in. And it's very unusual to have a judge call you. And, normally, they just, when are you gonna do your, depositions? Do you need any more time? When is your gonna do finish your discovery? And then are we gonna set a trial date? Mhmm. But he called me in by myself. So he said, mister Kovacvic, do you have a credit card? Well, what wait. Let me start at the beginning. Oh, we'll start at the beginning when you have, we'll get back to that. Do you have a credit card? And I went, well, no. It was a gift card. A gift card? Pull your card out. So I pulled the card out. Read to me what it says right there, credit card. So he made me look like a complete idiot, and he said, get out of here, and he threw my three cases out. But then that's where the bank, he must have sell my complaint, and he's with the bank. You know, he's trying to keep the system going.

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So, that's where he dismissed it. But in the end result, I didn't have any more debt. I didn't get a ten ninety nine c. I didn't have to claim income for 85,000 because there never was a loan. And the bank did not
take an $85,000
tax deduction.
So
That's it's it's amazing. I, you know, I never would have thought about this in until I read your profile and read the information that you've sent me and the book that you you you pointed out, it's it's amazing.

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I'm I'm just I'm I'm
I I I I'm stuck.
It's just like,
but Here here's here's something for you. Is it possible let me just ask you, is it possible for you and your audience and me too, is it possible that we have been lied to Mhmm. Indoctrinated,
and brainwashed?

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Is it possible?
Yep? Yeah. Absolutely. Possible? Absolutely. It is. Absolutely. Okay. So we've been lied to and by generations,
that's called indoctrination.
Yes. And if you don't question this, you have been brainwashed.
So the whole system has brainwashed
anybody and everybody who does not who does not questions.

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All I'm asking you and your audience to do is add one word is alleged.
Don't believe anything I have to say. Yes. Look me up in the show notes. You'll see my links. Check those links out. But send this podcast to your certified public accountant or anyone who's had one class of accounting.
Okay? And they're gonna tell you I'm exactly 100%

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correct.
So how does this all happen? The courts are all set up for this. The attorneys are all set up for this. You run that through. You've got debt. You've got debt. So law is language,
and language is law. So if you say you've got credit card debt, you've got it. There's nothing I can do to help you. If you say it's alleged,
well, now you have to force the bank to prove that there's a loan or there was a debt. And that's how we've already differentiated between a store credit card, which is a true credit card, and you owe that money because they have an invoice.

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It's now the bank issued alleged credit card debt. That's what we're talking about. Now you've, you've rest you've you've talked about,
the,
well, let me let me let me back up one question.
So
how does the how do banks create money?

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Let let's let's go let's go there. How how do banks create money?
What you wanna do is look at and type this up on the Internet, and it says 09/1776
to present, the inflation rate, and you will see it flat line.
And then in about 1933,
it bumps up and takes off after World War two. Mhmm. I believe the Federal Reserve created the depression

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because they raised the interest rates up so high, they choked off the economy.
And the end result were banks all across the nation went out of business. They couldn't keep afloat. So they were consolidated
into the Federal Reserve, and that's when the fractional banking system started.
So ever since before that, you had your currency was tied to gold, and you couldn't make more. You couldn't make less. If you borrowed money, you took it away from somebody else. So there was this scale

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of goods and services and the amount of currency and their balance. So that was a wafer, you know, from 1776
to '33.
Now if you read that,
if you just go to Wikipedia
and type up,
the Federal Reserve or Modern Money Mechanics, you're able to download it and read page six. It'll tell you right where to look. It's on the second column, the second,

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paragraph.
And right above this, it says, jokingly,
there's no possible way that we loan money from the depositors out to other people. There's just not enough money ever possible. So what we do is we accept promissory notes
in exchange for writing numbers in your transactional account Makes sense. Your checking account. So you sign a piece of paper promising to pay the bank back, and they write numbers

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into your
free checking account.
So how do you resolve this? The whole thing is just write a letter to close your free checking account. Interesting.
That that's really that's that's amazing. And I just as a point of fact for some folks that might be listening, that might not know this, you know, the the Federal Reserve
is a private corporation. It's not part of the federal government.

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And so it doesn't surprise me that you would see that shift in the inflation
rates in 1933
when the Federal Reserve really,
it was it's at its
its inception.
And then, of course, the way they manage money, and we see it right now going on today. You know, the Federal Reserve refuses to lower down rates, and the Federal Government is absolutely powerless to really do anything about it.

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So so it makes total sense when you when you when you look at it that way that, yeah, we were good up until the thirties when the Federal Reserve came into effect, and all of a sudden now, we become
so we we become
a debtor nation, basically.
And all because of monetary policy set by not even the federal government, but by a private corporation, which is deceiving you by calling themselves the Federal Reserve.

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Same thing with Federal Express. Mhmm. Federal Express is not federal. Same thing with the Federal Reserve, and that was created in 1913.
Mhmm. And it took them a while to get started. So if you actually dive into it, look about it, they're basically
a private bank, and they were formed in Puerto Rico.
And you think about it, when I was a kid, I read the book, the rich and the super rich and explained right there that the Rothschilds

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are the most powerful, the most, wealthy family there is. And now you do a little bit of research, and it's liked. I mean, you can't do any finding who is the richest people, and then they're showing, Bezos or, Bill Gates and other people. They they they're
compared to the froth child, they're they're, they're pipers. They're very they're just the low end. Yeah. I don't think people realize just how

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just first of all, the
the the longevity of the Rothschild family has been they've been around for a very, very long time, and they have moved
within circles of government. They have controlled government affairs. They have controlled
kings and princes and queens, and
all with the power of money.
And,

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and they
like you said,
you can do all the research you want, you can search all you want, you're not gonna find that information anywhere anymore. It used to be very popular. You'd be able to find it. You could prob I mean, you could probably if you if you can
find
a set of world book encyclopedias from the nineteen sixties, you could probably find information about it in there, and it's probably at that point not even the complete picture either.

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But now, no. It's almost impossible to find any information on them because everything goes back to,
Bill Gates and Bezos and,
Elon Musk and and and and those guys. But, yeah. Absolutely, man. Absolutely.
So let me ask you a practical question here. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Before that Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. If you look up YouTube
and you look up just type up,

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House of Rothschild.
It's a 1934
black and white movie, and it's very sympathetic to the Rothschild. Yes. It's not exactly
accurate, but close enough if you do a bit of more research.
But what happened is that, the Rothschild
Rothschild means a red shield,
and that was their their,
their logo out from their, basically, their business. And they were,

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goldsmiths.
So you bring your gold to them, and they would assay it and tell you what it's worth, and they'd write you out a receipt. It's a lot easier transferring a piece of paper than it is this hunk of gold. So they would hold on to that as a receipt, and then you would,
give it to maybe, let's say, somebody to build a ship. And so you'd give them that receipt. They could get the money from Rothschilds,

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and that all is fine. But then a sailor does the same thing that goes on that ship, and the ship sinks. Well, the Rothschilds now all of a sudden got more gold. So over a period of time, the goldsmith is going to
be more and more wealthy.
They loaned money to France
to fight England, then they loaned money to England to fight France Mhmm. With the provision

(01:32:49):
that the winner had to pay the loser's debt. So they won both ways.
The Battle of Waterloo happened, and Northwell has a spy, was all let through the the checkpoints, and he got to him that night. The next morning, what does Rothschild do? He sells
British bonds.
So just like the movie Trading Places, you're selling orange juice, sell, sell, sell, drive the price down. Then once it was down low enough, he bought, bought, bought it all up on pennies on a dollar. But in the meantime, he was selling his,

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rich bonds that were now worthless, but everybody thought that France won.
So Lincoln went to Rothschild, and he they said 34% interest rate. He said, I'm not gonna pay 34%
interest rate. I'll just make my own. And that's what we can do. We can write out a script
and have it not interest bearing.
If you do a little research on that Wikipedia about the Federal Reserve about page six, it takes a while to get down to it. Very bottom, it's gonna say that we pay 6%

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every year on every single Federal Reserve note. K? Mhmm. So when that millionaire
takes a $100 bill and burns it to light a cigar,
that we are gonna pay 6%
forever.
Okay.
We'll be paying 60% forever
on that. And how do we pay for it is with more federal reserve notes. So it is

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a system we need to dissent this this
this extract ourselves from and to stop this crazy cyst and this lunacy. So it's a story in a rough childhood. Yeah. And I and that's like the beginning of modern banking. So it's
it it I agree with you a 100%. I mean,
this this the whole system at the banking industry is corrupt from top to bottom.

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And, there's
honestly, I don't think there's any way of reforming it. Everybody talks about reforming the banking system and auditing the Fed. None of that's even if it happens, it's not gonna solve anything.
It's it's not gonna solve a thing.
Actually, Benjamin Franklin was asked by the French, how are you so successful?

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And he said, what we do is we have script,
and we don't produce
too much script, and we only do it by demand.
And on the other side, we don't hand it out to people. So if there's a need, we print more script, but we make it look very pretty. We wanna make it look art artsy.
So people will actually buy our script and take it away

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and and put it in their scrapbook or put it somewhere. It's fine. So it never comes back to us. That's fine too. Because once they need more script, they just print more. So it's not printing press
passing,
script to people. They're in exchange. So you would bring your money to the, let's say, city hall, and you switch it out for script. And that's how most people

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use their money, And that's what they would pass. So that was very successful. So there wasn't any interest bearing on it, and that's what we need to get back to. And then the other one too is go back, and you can see the inflation rate was zero. Mhmm. It had ups and downs, but nothing crazy. That's because the dollars were backed by gold and silver. Right. It's, nothing like what you've seen in the last

(01:35:58):
ten, fifteen, twenty years as far as the inflation rates fluctuating the way they do.
And when you so when you back money with nothing,
it it it's it's worth it. And then and, of course, the more money that you pump into the system that's not backed by anything, the less value that it actually has. And, I think what is it? It's I think the dollar right now is worth, what, 30¢?

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Or something like that or something like that? There's a website called priced, and that's past tense, priced in gold,
and it's a chart. And you can look up the stock market,
And you will see when the stock market is based on gold price, we topped out in February. Mhmm. Even though you think the stock the Dow Jones is up at historic highs, it's really not when it's based on gold. And here's the funny thing. You look at all these things and everything is always down except for crypto.

(01:36:50):
The, Bitcoin is actually higher. Right. So it has gotten more in value
if gold. That's the only chart I saw that went up. So that's it's telling you that with the when you price the stock market in dollars, dollars are less and less. There's more and more and has less value. It appears to be up, but the stock market is not. We've been actually in a bit of depression

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since 2000
since February. Mhmm. And that's when our stock market peaked out on the gold chart. And if you think about it too, we also had the Macarena.
I look at this as social things, and the Macarena was a very fast stance. It went around the world and even had the pope do it. And here I am in a tiny town in California

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in
July 4 in the park, and everybody gets up to do the Macarena.
And what did I do? I knew this was a mania, but I got up. I did the Macarena.
Uh-huh. You know? I knew it was all a joke, but that was a signature
of the top. That was a worldwide
optimism
peak, and we have not seen a song that went that fast, that viral since then. So we are in a depression right now of twenty five years.

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The greatest bull market is always followed by the greatest bear market. So we're not
once the bear market hits about,
95%
of the loss of the Dow, and the Dow is about 800 or a thousand, that's the time to buy.
Yeah. But all the news is gonna tell you a depression's coming. No. We've already lived through it. Now we can grow, but we're not in that yet. We are in a serious depression that no one even recognizes the season. Not yet, anyway.

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So let's see.
Kinda walk us through the whole process of,
of becoming
debt free in the forty five days, start to finish? Walk us through the whole process.
Sure.
What you wanna do, first of all, is recognize that the bank never loans you any money. If you use their language,
then you're gonna lose.

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If you use our language, which is the truth, and I'm working on a little document to send to you so we can stop using certain words like maxing out the card is not maxing out the card. It's just withdrawing your money out of the account, not having any money in your rechecking account. So it's a different way of thinking. Alright. It's a different words. So if you use a criminal's words, you're gonna lose. If you use the truth, you're gonna survive this. So first of all, the bank advertises to get you as a customer.

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They used to give out a wall clock or a toaster to get you to come into the bank. When I was in California, they had an ad in a paper that said, come into our bank and deposit $25
and we'll match it.
So you had to keep it there for ninety days.
On September,
I went into that bank. I withdrew $50
on day ninety one and closed the account. Now I've got a question for you, Joe. Did I rip off the bank?

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No. It's your money.
Nope. Did I steal from the bank? Nope.
Was I immoral? Was I an immoral person for doing such a thing? Absolutely not.
No. In the show notes, on the link number four, there's a guy on YouTube that says do that, and I've made $361.
K?

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This is the same thing as when the bank gave you, and that's the important word, they gave you a $500
credit card. K? Sometimes they came in the mail without even you filling out an application. Is that right? That's you. I remember those. They just threw them out. And if you used it, you were then held to the terms and conditions. Alright. Yeah. So
this is what's happened is that they got you

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suckered in to getting a gift card.
Mhmm. See? You call it a credit card, you're gonna lose.
I call it a gift card because they gave it to me. I didn't buy it. I didn't go in the bank to make a loan.
Banks are only about loans.
So when you help have any money, you go into a bank and you want to come out with money, except for a gun. Yeah.

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What is gonna happen is that you have to fill out loan documents
after your application.
So if you're turned down
for your loan, you get the loan?
No. You only
have the loan documents if you're approved. Correct. Now you have to prove that you have income
because

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the court you could be the bank could be taken to court, and a judge say, bank, you're giving people loans that can't pay it back? Oh, no, sir. Oh, no. We did our due diligence. They had documentation. They proved they could pay us back. So you're not gonna give loans to people who can't pay it back.
So you have to have some kind of documentation you can pay for this loan. The other one is you have collateral.

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You have your house, your car, or if you have a personal loan and you put up your yacht for it, they're gonna confiscate that legally,
sell it legally.
And if they come up short, well, that's their problem. Right? But if they come up long
and they took your million dollar,
yacht and you only owe them a 100,000, they gotta pay you back the 900,000.

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They don't get 900,000
as a gain. That's not that's not legal. Okay. So you also had to have a credit report that's gonna show some history, and you have a credit score that determines your interest rate. But the last thing you sign is a promise to pay.
How does a bank loan money out without you promising to pay it back?

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So that's what a normal loan is. K? Okay. In this case, they sent you they gave you a gift card.
So, Joe,
you've got a gift card in the mail. You said, wow. I'm special.
Are you gonna do with your $500?
I'm with you. What are you gonna buy for $500?
Oh, well, who knows? I don't know. Like, I off top of my head, new mic new microphone.

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I I love microphones. Microphone. Perfect. Alright. So you're gonna go to a store or do it on Amazon, and you're gonna buy that microphone. It's $500.
Great. And so
you are walking out of the store with it, and they and the person at the door said, hey. Wait a second, sir. Did you pay for that? And you show them a receipt. Mhmm. Right? Right. You didn't pay for it. Right?

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But the receipt shows ownership. You own the microphone. Am I right? Correct.
So, Joe, who paid the store?
I I guess the answer would be the bank.
Right. The bank paid that night or the next day. So even though the store didn't get money right at that moment as you're walking out, they knew they were gonna get paid that night or the next day. So

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are you gonna get a statement from that store in a month from now for an outstanding
unpaid invoice?
You shouldn't. No.
No. Not from the store. They were paid. You have evidence. You have a receipt. Right. Right? Now
what's gonna happen is you get a statement at the end of the month, and you think it's a bill.

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See?
If you start saying it's a credit card statement that I owe money on, you're sunk. No. What you got was a free checking account statement.
Think about this. When you get a statement for your checking account every month, is that a bill?
No. No?
That's not a bill. It shows your beginning balance, your deposits,

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what you had paid by check or by your debit card, and fees you had taken out, other things too, and you have an ending balance. It's not a bill.
Now
my dad, as I said, was a CPA. I was in school to be a CPA.
I, you know, dropped out of school, but about a class or two before that I just couldn't take anymore. So I went into a job as an accountant because I had to train. I had to know how to do it. The CPA walked up to my first day, my first minute at the desk, and he put his finger in my face, and he said and angrily so I would get impressed. He's a nice guy, but he did this anger thing right away. He said, if you pay from a statement, I'm gonna fire you. And that has stuck in my head ever since then. Interesting. So he explained to me nicely that we could have paid

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that bill last week,
and you don't know it. So you only pay from an invoice. And you see this right up here in the corner? Every department
signs off on it. So if it doesn't have a signature of that department head, you do not pay it. I don't care if they're crawling and bawl crying about how they're not being paid. You ignore that. You only pay from an approved invoice

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because that's the debt instrument. That's the piece of paper that proves you have a debt. It has date, the product, the service, the taxes, the shipping, the terms. All that is laid out on that invoice. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. The bank does not have that.
That's interesting. That's really interesting.
So what do you so then what do you say to people who who who are skeptical of all this and they think that this is, like, it's just a loophole or conspiracy theory or or anything like that?

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Take this part again, don't believe me. Look at the show notes, and I have right there, there's three links, and send this to your CPA. Have your CPA, him or her, tell you I'm a 100% correct. They're gonna go, you know, I never thought of that. And I'm not a bright guy. I'm just an accountant that has a memory. So I remember what the Federal Reserve put out in the in their manual that the banks have to get a promissory note. And so they're gonna say, yeah. He's actually right. There is no invoice because that bank never produced a product to sell you, never bought a product to sell you. They never gave you a service,

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so there is no invoice. So once we clarify that the bank can never issue a credit card,
credit is like when you went into the old general store. Hey, Harry. How you doing? Oh, fine. I need five pounds of flour, a pound of sugar. Yeah. I know. You'll pay me when your crops come in. That's credit. Mhmm. K? And it's on a card, makes it a little more convenient, all that kind of stuff. So once we dismiss that argument that they don't have a debt, now it's the loan.

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So that's where they got you. You got that statement at the end of the month from your credit card. See? If you say that, you're sunk.
So you wrote a check out for $500 because you're a good person. You're a moral person. You've been lied to and doctorate and brainwashed. You didn't even question this. Okay? So you sent off $500.
Now isn't this the first time the bank has ever received your money? No.

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Think about it. You got a card in the mail. You used it. You got a statement in the mail. You thought it was a bill. You sent a checkup. Isn't that the first time you gave me? I'm sorry. Yes. You're right. Correct. Yeah. I was thinking about depositing in in the in the I I know I gotcha. Yeah. You got me on that one. Right. So this is this is very important to the argument
because banks are only set up to do loans.

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So like I said, if you don't have any money and you go into the bank, you come out with loans, but you have to fill out all those loan documents. Right. On the other side, when you take money into a bank and you leave it there, you're actually loaning the bank money.
K?
You put that in a checking account or a savings account. And as you use your money,

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it comes less and less, and that bank is less obligated to the loan you loaned them. At the end of the month, you can put it back up again if you want to, but you don't have to.
So when you wrote out that check, that's when the bank caught your money for the very first time. Every subsequent
purchase has been with your own money.

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There never was a loan.
This has been a whole scam to get you as a customer.
Why is it so important?
Two months ago, I typed it up. How much does the average bank get from a card member and come up with $23.04?
My mom, who had a credit card for forty years, never paid a penny, never an annual fee, never had a penny paid, and they made nothing out of her, which is about 12%.

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Mhmm. So 78% of the people out there pay something to the bank. Right. On average, it's $23.04.
So if the bank has a million card members,
then they have $23,000,000
a month coming in
on a free checking account.
This is how they're making their money. Wow. One fourth of their whole profit,

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is the this whole scam they're doing on people. Wow. That's that's that's amazing.
I mean, when you really and you you think about the numbers
and how long this has been going on
And this it's it's it's absolutely amazing. And I was thinking about this too while you while you were talking. I don't know if you've ever gotten these things in the mail or not, but or maybe some some other folks have. But for example, I received something,

(01:49:40):
I think it was yesterday,
from this,
a local,
loan
place. Okay?
And down and over here in where I am in Texas, they're very common. They're on almost every street corner, you know, you know, payday loans and all that that type of stuff and and whatnot.
But I got this one thing in the mail and they were offered they said, this is an actual check,

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and I think it was like 900 and something dollars. All you have to do is deposit the check.
Alright? And then that money is yours,
so and so forth. But then, of course, I looked and this is before, you know, I even, you know, understood what what we were gonna be talking about tonight.
The first thing I looked at was, okay, well, if I did this, what's how much am I paying back actually?

(01:50:25):
Well, of course, you look at that and and,
I've got the one the one I got the other day was, I I think it was,
for $900, I was paying back 1,500.
Alright? Which is ridiculous. And then I got another one where I actually remembered the interest rate
because I I almost, like, hit the floor. It's like, are you kidding me? You really think I'm stupid? I'm gonna do that? It was like, it was 100.36%

(01:50:50):
interest.
Yeah. Yeah. I should've kept it. I could've showed it to you, but but it was,
I I just I just chucked it. And I was like, you gotta be you gotta be meeting.
You know?
But, I was I'm wondering though,
if they're doing that,
kinda like with the gift card situation, would that something like that be similar?

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Yes. In one sense.
But then when you go to court,
you got the whole system against you.
You've got a gain, and that's what they're looking at. So
in my story, it's a better story because Right. You're actually going after the bank. These they might be backed by a bank, so I am not familiar with that. The highest interest rate I had ever seen when I had my charity so after my loss of the, court and I saw that my credit report was cleaned up, a friend of mine gave me her charity, and I revamped it. It was a dormant, charity. So I revamped it in credit repair. And many of the people did have credit card debt. So I would write a letter to the bank, and it'll be gone.

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Not a problem at all. So,
I helped a lot of people in this eliminating their debt through that way. And the highest I'd ever seen was 79.9.
Yours is the buy is the is the highest one I've ever heard. So that's a really great evidence. I don't even think that's legal.
There there used to be usury laws and stuff like that. So what I'll take you through this, process too. So you now understand

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that you have been
depositing, which is incorrect term because you've been loaning money to the bank every month. You're taking your hard earned money, give it to the bank, then you use it with your debit card.
In the beginning,
that thing that saw the credit card, which is disguised
as a gift card. So you received a gift card to get you as a customer.

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Once you sent money into the bank, that turned into a debit card
even though it says credit card on it. So that's what you've been using is your own money.
Now when you normally go into a checking account and you close your account, they say, oh, sir. Sorry to see you leaving us. Here's your $13.51
you have left over. Not in this case.

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Your money has been tricked. You've been tricked into thinking that your money,
to deposit your money there, and they don't release it. They confiscate your money. So before you write this letter to the bank, you have to max out the card.
See, that's the lie.
So it's what people understand. It's immoral to do that. That's because you're listening to the criminal.

(01:53:26):
What you're doing is you're withdrawing your money. You put the money in, you draw the money out, and then you send the letter to close your free checking account. Wow. That's interesting. I that's I I'm
I'm fascinated with this. This is this is amazing.
I but I'm really like, I'm I'm stuck on that check thing.

(01:53:48):
I really am.
I actually don't the next time I get one, I'm gonna send it to you so you could take a look at it and and tell me what you think about it. Yeah. I'd like to dive into that. I can maybe give you a better answer than what I'm giving you now. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I'm sure I know what I know. Yeah. I know. I just threw it at you. It wasn't like it's something we planned on. But, but but this is this is great information. This is stuff that This is Go ahead. Let's go a little bit further. It's very quickly. Is you can send that letter off, and it's very weak. Okay? But have your CPA

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write a letter to the bank saying there is no invoice, there's no debt, and you did not have a loan because federal banking
regulations require you to have a promissory note. So there never was a loan.
If you wanna make it even stronger, then you have your attorney write a letter saying that all contracts are void if there's fraud. And this is the supreme court as ruled over and over again. You're going, I don't have 2 or $300 for an attorney to write a letter. There's a thing called LegalShield.

(01:54:44):
And for $29,
you have an attorney write the letter, and don't do any more after that. So it costs you $29 to have attorney write the letter to the bank saying that fraud undoes all contracts.
K?
Then what you wanna do is file
a lawsuit
without filing it with the court. Alright?
So you wanna do a state civil lawsuit. You wanna have it all laid out and no docket number. You don't spend that money to the court. Okay? Mhmm. And in there, you're gonna have a complaint. So you explain the crimes they've committed, the fraud. And if they file a, ten ninety nine c, what you're gonna do, all that kind of stuff is in there. But you also have your discovery. They're gonna see you're gonna be asking for documents like the,

(01:55:27):
certified copy of the promissory note. You wanna see the invoice.
There's questions. There's admissions. And here's the best part, the deposition.
Normally, you don't do this. You normally file a lawsuit, then you wait, then it goes back and forth for a couple years, and the attorneys suck all the money out of you. But you do this all at once. So what if
it was a legitimate

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lawsuit?
And if they responded,
ten days later, they've got a deposition
facing them. So they don't want that to happen.
And here's the best part, the injunction.
Now, Joe, if you've got somebody bothering you, some debt collectors harassing you Mhmm. You can take them to the court and not, in a sense, resolve the issue. You're just gonna say to the court, these people are bothering me, and they have no evidence.

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So that's an injunction.
And if the bank cannot produce
the invoice
and a certified copy of the promissory note, and we're asking for an affidavit of debt. We're looking for someone in a bank to put their hand up and swear with a penalty of perjury
that you have a debt and they have the physical evidence.

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Without those three things,
the judge in thirty days is gonna find them in contempt of court, and they had to stop everything. It doesn't move forward anymore because they cannot do anything to your credit report. They can't harass you at all. They're now in contempt of court, so they're harassing you illegally is what you got. Wow. So once the bank sees this brick

(01:56:56):
and their attorney looks at this going, this is gonna take me forty hours. Yes. Yes. It's gonna take forty hours just to look at this thing. That's got $20,000
already in legal fees, and we don't have a leg to stand on. What does this guy want?
Click.
That's all we're asking the bank to do is click it off the credit report.
How hard was that?

(01:57:18):
It it it's it's it shouldn't be that hard, but unfortunately, the way it's set up today, it is.
But this is great information. This this is really helpful information. This is stuff I'm gonna look into. I you know, we all have our our issues and stuff, and I got a few things I could like to kind of funnel and and feed my way through this thing here. But, and it was kinda funny thing is I find people I find people money. On the average, the people that came into my charity, I would find about $2,000,

(01:57:46):
$4,000
that they didn't really know they had. And I say, would you like to share that with me? And they say, sure. You can take
you tell me that I can get $2,000
and all my debt's gone and my credit report would be cleaned up? I say yes. And they went, fine. And if somebody said 30%,
fine. If somebody said 10%, fine. I a dollar came in to my charity. It was a dollar more than I had yesterday. Yeah. Uh-huh. So I would do this for people. So that's in my book. The, forgive and forget how to nuke your credit card debt. And if you do a fifteen minute consultation with me, it's free. I'll give you that book for free. It's $69 book, but you can have it for free just so I can help you out. That's great.

(01:58:23):
I wanted to ask you about this too because, as we were talking, you mentioned debt relief and debt management and
and so now there there are differences in those things, debt management programs and debt relief programs and so on.
Can you walk us through a couple of those different things, and and are they beneficial to you, or are these are these things you should stay away from?

(01:58:44):
It is in my fifth link that I sent you is Dave Ramsey talking about these debt consolidation conferences. And what they do is they take your money, and they don't pay the bank. Mhmm. And you end up being sued by the banks. So it's a really big rip off. So, again, if you say you have credit card debt, you've got debt. You can't get out of it. If it's a store issued credit card, and that's what I would tell people that came into my charity. Pay this one. Don't don't don't don't pay this one.

(01:59:12):
We just have to draw credit cards. But these two are store issued, not by a bank.
You took their product. You owe them. The right thing to do is pay them. But I'll find you money to pay them, and you still get locked away with money. So, yes, if you fall into their language,
you're some. So that's why you need to use a new terminology,
the true terminology,

(01:59:33):
and anybody with a class of accounting.
And and you gotta think about this. I'm not the smartest guy. I'm just an accountant who knows how to count, and I have a memory.
But this has been
other people have figured this out, and I the only thing I can figure this out is the bank has you sign a nondisclosure.
Because why is this known everywhere? Right. Why isn't this in court? Why can't I go to a court document and see that someone was successful beating the bank? They don't want this to be public knowledge.

(02:00:00):
Now if you could wipe one financial myth out of everyone's brain, what would it be?
That you actually have
the the I said it is dead. You've been lied to, indoctrinated, and brainwashed.
And all I want you to do is just ask the question,
is it possible? And if it is, then question. All I wanna do is question it, and you don't have to believe me. Look at the show links. Go to your CPA. Go to someone who's had a class of accounting and ask them, is this guy right? And they're gonna tell you it's basic

(02:00:29):
business. It's it's basically accounting. You don't pay from a statement. You only pay from an invoice. Any invoice is the debt. And to have a loan, you have to have a promissory note.
You you can
be a shareholder of a bank and let your bank loan out your money to people who are not gonna pay it back. And you're certainly not gonna loan money out to people who don't promise to pay it back. Which makes total sense. To see. Yeah. It it makes total sense too. To.

(02:00:54):
But but the trick to get you as a customer, because once you're a customer and make $23.04
every month, then it's worth it to give you $500
because you're gonna be there for years paying $23.00
4 every month. Wow.
So who who is somebody that you deeply respect right now? What are they doing, and what should we be and what are what are they doing that we should be paying attention to?

(02:01:19):
Oh, you want somebody alive? Oh, do I was ready to go with somebody who passed away. No. You could do that too. I would say okay. I would say Buckminster Fuller. I'd never heard of the guy before. In 1983,
I read his obituary.
And from that obituary, I read every book this guy has ever written many times over many times. I'm here in The Philippines to teach farmers how to build a dome house with bamboo.

(02:01:43):
It's free. The grass grows, and I found a way that is used as zip ties. So once I teach the farmer how to do this, now they can be in business selling a kit.
So there is a website.
All they can do is the height of the dome or the width. Give us either one, and it calculates the exact number of struts to make, and they make them. When it comes to the job site, there's no tools needed. All they have is zip tie, and up goes

(02:02:11):
twenty, thirty foot dome or a tunnel dome. So that's what I'm here for, and that's the biggest influence of my life is this geometry of thinking. So my whole life, I always start off with the vectors and
then flat land, and I think in three dimensions. So,
that that that's who the biggest

(02:02:32):
person in my life has been Buckminster Fobert.
Alright. Now if, if I I kinda think I know where you're gonna go with this one. But if you could speak one sentence into the minds of everybody listening right now and it would stick, what would it be?
Question authority.
I would rather have

(02:02:53):
answers to questions I haven't.
It it that's the right way to say it is I I would like to have
answers I have not, received
than have, questions I can't to have answers I can't question. That's what I'm trying to think is I got you. Because I didn't have it prepared there for you. But, yeah. That's fine. It's the whole thing of of 1984

(02:03:14):
where authority cannot be questioned. That's where it is. So I know exactly where we're going. People now in in government in the sixties wore a button on their shirt that said question authority. Now it's unquestionable
authority. Yeah. And that's what we're living under is a tyranny. Absolutely. Absolutely. Alright. The last question, the hardest question for you of the night. You ready for this one?

(02:03:35):
Where can the audience go to get more information about you, your book,
and your work?
Set one up. Just look in the show notes. It's gonna have my email there, and Tommy a Kilpatrick is my Facebook.
So just connect with me there. I'd love to chat with you. I'm in The Philippines, living life, and I've got a but I came here. I've now I've learned the language, so I say,

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I came here looking for a wife, and I have one. So a fiance, but it's working out great. Congratulations.
That's fantastic.
Alright, folks. So Tommy Kilpatrick, thank you so much for spending the night with us. We really appreciate it. You gave us a ton of things to think about. And, I'm still thinking about a lot of the stuff that you said that that could apply to to situations in my own personal life and people that I know.

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Thank you so so much for that. I appreciate it. This was a great time, a great evening with you, and I'm looking forward to getting in touch with you again. I'll be reaching out to you in in, in, probably sometime before the end of tonight or tomorrow, and, we'll we'll get some stuff taken care of for you. Alright, folks. Tommy Kilpatrick. Thank you so much. Thanks for being with us tonight.
Alright, folks. So that'll do it for the, for our guest segments for the night. So let's just do a couple of quick announcements.

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So don't forget to head over to our website, joeroos.com.
That's joeroos.com.
When you get over there, look for that contact section. Open it up. Send us over any questions, comments, cares, or concerns that you have. Also, look for our programming announcements email list. I know I've talked about it a lot. I
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And, I think I'm gonna shut up at this point because I am super, super freaking tired,
and it's time to go have a little sip of bourbon
and relax

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for the night. So with all of that said, my friends,
thank you very much for being here with us. Thank you for taking the time
to listen to us babble on here.
Head over to our website, joeroos.com.
Click on the contact section, send us over those questions.
Alright, folks. Make Texas independent again.

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Go podcasting.
Keep a steady stride, and remember,
keep talking.
Good night.
Goodbye folks.

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