Before The Rock Played Him: Who Is Mark Kerr, The Smashing Machine?

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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(00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
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phillips is the phillips catscans like phillips.
The company, um, my, my buddy,has a facility at paradise
valley hospital, um, and that'swhere I got it, and it takes
four minutes, oh you told meabout that thing, yeah and it

(01:08):
does that whole body scan andit's just like dude, here's what
you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
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Just go see her.
Just give me, give you hernumber.
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
don't know why I I thought, man somewhere in my you
ever do this.
You ever start like thinkingyou did something, oh, all the
time, and then you go.
Oh shit, I thought I sent thattext, so that's where.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Good.
No, no good, because I didn'twant to be like ah, the doctor
was there and she also has a.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I've only seen her once because she's you remember
she told you she's slammed,she's I can't the like, the
proof, the empirical evidence oflike there's something bigger
going on and maybe I just don'tknow, it, can't see, it can't
feel it can't touch it, but allthis stuff's getting pulled.
You know, I usually call it theDJ effect, cause it's like I

(02:02):
call him gravity, like he's sobig and what he influences.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I know dude, because he just posted you the other day
.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
And literally it's like I can't keep up.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Like your life is crazy, like we're getting you on
the uptick right now huh.
It's going to be out of control.
Like, in six months you'regoing to be going 100 miles an
hour and then when it wins anOscar like I believe it will win
an Oscar then it's going to be.
Then they got to do a part two.
Do you know how it ends?
Did they have it at the?
Do you know how the movie ofyour life ends?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, maybe it can end in here.
Have you seen the movie yet?
So I, I watched uh like an 80percent, uh, complete version
back in january and so it wasmissing, like some of the music,
some of the cgi stuff.
Um, they ended up having someadditional scenes in there and,

(02:58):
uh, like back in may, my sonwent to new york city and
watched the complete version ofit, oh okay.
And so he got an opportunityand I talked to him right
afterward and he just, he wasjust beside himself.
He's like you know, if anybody'sa bystander that can validate
something or invalidate it, he'slike dad, he's like dj's got

(03:19):
your hand movement to your walk.
Really, oh yeah, your handgestures, speech pattern, you
know, and you imagine, like,when you, when you act for
emotions, you need your voice,and so to change your voice
that's not that bass baritonethat dj has yeah it.
It takes an additional level ofunderstanding of what you're

(03:43):
doing.
And I didn't understand itbecause, because, like it was
explained to me, like hey,acting comes from your voice,
you're like oh yeah, I mean it'syou know he's like, I think for
your role, what I've seen fromthe trailers, he's get, he's
become you.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, like he's not screwing around, like when they
say cut, he's probably still you, he is you know what I mean.
So that had to be kind of weirdfor you.
Were you there?
Did you ever see him as?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
you, I so, I.
So this is what's interestingis that, um, a lot of what the
producer, dave copeland, endedup doing is trying to schedule
me when it wasn't those highemotional points, because it
would make it even moredifficult for him to get into
character from there.
And so they had they brought meup prior to production

(04:28):
beginning and then they broughtme up for fight week, which was
really cool.
They had all the scenes of likeyou know him in him in the ring
when I was in Japan and theyhad you know his stunt team and
everything work it was.
It was so cool.
I mean, it was like it's like Igot to do like fight week with

(04:50):
DJ and the stunt team and youknow, go through all these
series and understand you callhim DJ.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, most of us know him as the Rock.
Maybe Dwayne, did he say, callme DJ.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So here's what I figured out, so persona-wise,
when he's the rock, he'scompletely a different person.
Okay, like, like legitimately adifferent person.
When he's away from all of that, people call him Dwayne or DJ.
Okay, just because it's, he'snot the rock.
Right, that's just a persona,right, like when he's him and I

(05:22):
are sitting here, it'scompletely a different person.
That I don't a lot of thepublic doesn't get a chance to
see.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Sure, it's usually he's usually he's in character,
he's in gear and he's on.
He's got to be on.
Oh my, if you see him, he's on.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, so you got rare opportunities to chill with him
oh, absolutely, and this iswhat's crazy about it and I
didn't understand this.
So when vince mcmahon was stillstill with the WWE prior to TKO
buying them last year, djhadn't done any WWE events for
13 years because he didn't havethat good a relationship with
Vince McMahon.

(05:57):
The second TKO bought the WWE,vince McMahon got removed from
the board and they put dj on theboard and dj did wrestlemania
last, so that's why he came backand did that.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, that makes sense, and so he?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
my feeling is he needed that outlet where he can
get up and call peoplecrackheads.
And you know, he got up herefriday night smackdown and he
like I heard on the news todaythat Glendale, Arizona, is the
crystal meth capital of theworld he goes what is wrong with
you people and it's just likehe needs that.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's offensive.
It's really Tucson.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
He's got the wrong zip code.
He's got the wrong.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So he needed that type of outlet to be able to not
be perfect all the time.
I mean I couldn't imagine, Iknow I couldn't imagine having
the feeling like you needed tobe on all the time, perfect all
the time.
You couldn't say the wrongthing, I mean, it was just.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
And then when he does try to do something nice.
Sometimes it backfires, it doesright.
So yeah, it's, it's a tough,it's a tough situation, but I
want to jump around for a bunchof because you know you're one
of the few people that I cantalk to and we, you know, we met
that one time you came over tomy house, but what's funny is
you and I were both going 100miles an hour for 30 different
topics and I think we were theonly people following each other
.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Nobody else could hang no, they were just going
all over the place.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I really connected to you.
I thought it was awesome so.
I want to jump back, go back tolike when you found out.
How did you find out Dwayne theRock Johnson is going to play
you in the movie of your life.
How does that happen?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So to 2019, in the summer of 2019, pre-pandemic
pre-all that I get a random callfrom william morse agency wme
saying that this guy, bradslater, wants to talk to me and

(07:54):
I I take it as a like at thispoint in my life.
It you know how many years agois that?
six years ago I I don't take itseriously okay and so I go, well
, okay, like I'll call him back.
And I get on the internet andI'm like, I'm like looking at
the number, I'm like, oh, okay,and now my curiosity's up, right

(08:15):
.
So I so I call the office, geta hold of secretary, that put me
through, and the crazy part is,uh, brad slater, who's been
dj's agent for 13 or 14 yearsnow.
He went to uva.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
No way, yeah, oh, I love that, yeah I take back the
crack comment yeah, the crystalmeth so here's the other thing
that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So when he graduated from uva, he he worked at
William Morris in the mail room.
Okay, Worked his way up.
So here's what's even crazier.
I met with him 20 somethingyears ago when I lived in
California.
I was at the peak of myfighting and a friend of mine
says we need to figure out ifyou can go Hollywood.
And so he scours the earth andhe comes up with Brad Slater

(09:03):
working in the mailroom.
We meet at the CheesecakeFactory near Beverly Hills Mall
and Brad, like, looks at me andhe goes I don't know, I'm in the
mailroom.
Yeah, what do you want me to do?
Like I can't do anything.
What he does do is he sets up ameeting with the other agents
and the other agents explainingwhat I did for a living and what

(09:25):
I wanted to do.
They looked at me like dude,right, there's something wrong
with you, right?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
and so back then, when you first heard about ufc
or ultimate fighting or stufflike that, that was kind of like
what's happening, yeah youdidn't quite get it right right,
right like like most people,they explain it like they're.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Uh okay, like they didn't understand, maybe they
had to tie it in a fight club.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
They did fight club oh my god.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
You know what we used to get all the time.
Oh, is it like tybo?
You know it's like billy blanks.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
You know I'm like, oh my god, I'm like so he sets
this up with, brad sets it up,yeah, and he says to you hey,
we're thinking about making thisa movie.
Yep, and here's who he goes.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Who owns your rights was the next question, and I
said good question, I I don'tknow.
I know that x, y and z and Ilike pointed him in the
direction that I thought heneeded to go.
And he goes.
Okay, we'll be in touch, andand that was kind of it.
Okay, 2019, then what?
2019, and then it's a miraclehow all this happened.

(10:30):
So 2019, call it July 2019.
I get a call from Brad at theend of September 2019, and he
goes.
We got you right.
I'm like, okay, like you'rekidding me.
He goes, dj's going to make anannouncement at the UFC in
Madison Square Garden, right Atthe BMF, you know, and he's

(10:52):
going to make an announcementhe's going to star in and
produce, and da-da-da, the movie, and so that was like November
2019, and he makes theannouncement and then the whole
world falls apart, right, right.
And so at that point, you knowthe thing that was going through
my head but are you going?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
holy shit, the rock's gonna play me in the movie like
I didn't even, didn't even letit he's literally the biggest
action star in the world.
Like by by, like by far aboutsome up-and-comer guy.
No, this is no man no, it is.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
So.
This is what's crazy about it.
So, uh, we, we connect on thephone prior to him, like I think
it was the day before he'sgonna announce it at madison
square garden press conference,right.
And so it ends up being this um, like, the conversation I had
with him was almosttransactional.
You know, it's like okay,here's what I'm gonna do, you
don't need to do anything, I'mgonna announce this.

(11:44):
And with him was almosttransactional.
You know it was like okay,here's what I'm going to do, you
don't need to do anything, I'mgoing to announce this.
And it was just justtransactional conversation.
You know, very, very to thepoint.
And, uh, so he makes theannouncement and I go from like,
I think at that time I hadmaybe like 1100 Instagram
followers and like, all of asudden, it's like 23,000.
You know, within like you knowa couple of weeks, and I'm like,

(12:07):
oh shit.
And then the pandemic sets inand from the whole pandemic and
everything I don't even reallythink about it, because I know
everything when everything sankin and it was like, oh shit, the
whole world's stopping stopping.
You know, I didn't even put anymore thought into it or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Wait, I want to jump around to a bunch of different
things.
I want to get into your mindsetback in the day when you're in
your prime and you're in thesmashing machine before a fight.
Yeah, Do you have a routine?
Did you have a routine Like,were you in the zone?
You know how they always sayKobe was whatever.
Did you have a routine Likewere you in the zone?
You know how they always sayKobe?
was whatever, yeah, yeah, if yougot a fight at 7 pm, how are
you prepping all day mentallyfor that?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Routines were a huge, huge, huge part of it.
You know ate the same thingpretty much the night before.
All of it, same place.
You know it was a fight inJapan it was the same meal.
It's called shabu-shabu.
You know, it's this frozen beefthat's sliced real thin and you
put it in boiling water to cookit and it was like, oh, it was

(13:12):
the perfect thing, because youloved it, or was there a
dietician that?
Said, yeah, it's a protein.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Like back then were people into that?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Like were like you gotta eat.
They were.
It was just from for for theindustry, uh, for fighting for
for, like, high level sportstraining, right, right, there
was just a lot of informationcoming on board.
Um, I think it was like thetransition from the dark ages
and and the light.
It really was right, right,right, um.
And so there was like hey,here's, here's, a better look at
what's going on diet-wise,internally, all this other stuff
.
So I was trying to stay in theforefront of that.
I was trying to go okay, whatdo I need to do?

(13:52):
How do I need to manage it?
Because I wanted to.
You know, more than anythingelse, I wanted to be a
professional.
Right, you know I didn't wantto be a sideshow or, like you
know, traveling circus.
You know like, oh, here comesthe fighters.
You know it's like the rodeoclowns.
You know I didn't want to bethat.
I wanted to be a professional.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
So you're eating right, you're doing your routine
.
Yeah, what about, like, like,I'll take you back a long time
ago A friend of mine I was juststarting in radio and this
friend of mine got a job todirect the Denniser show on hbo
random show.
Yeah, sharon stone was a guestand I got to go watch and the
whole meeting.
Before the meeting thingstarted, no one was allowed to

(14:29):
talk to dennis miller.
No right, and you hear stufflike that you think what a jerk.
Yeah, but I get it now.
Yeah because, he's got to go onstage and if he has the
interaction with someone thatsays, hey man, you sure look
stupid.
All of a sudden that's in hishead, yep, and he's like wait a
minute, I gotta go be on.
I don't want any negative.
So now, as I do a radio show,I'm not like that, but I try to
keep all negativity out.
So here you are, about to fight.

(14:50):
You probably got to visualizeoh, you do so.
Do you want some punk coming upto you and saying, hey man,
like you know, like did you?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
have I, I did so the, so the for me it's uh, it's
just narrowing my focus.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
People around me knew when I started to just shut
things out and shut things out.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's what you mean.
So you did that.
Oh yeah, I mean it was a huge,huge part of it, because I can
even look at myself on film nowand not recognize myself, just
because of the look, theintensity, because you were
locked in oh my God.
It was like people would tellme they'd go.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
That doesn't look like you that looks like that's
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Give me goosebumps, I mean it, it, literally, it,
it's so it.
The crazy part is and I've saidthis before in interviews that
I could smell you if you and Iwere fighting and we're standing
in a seven meter by seven meterring, which is big.
If you were standing all theway across on the other side of

(15:53):
the ring, I could smell you and,and the reason why I say that
is that there's different typesof smells that I figured out,
like there's a nervous smellwhich is this pungent, hormonal
like smell that you go and Icould smell that and that's like
predatorial, like awesome, likeliterally it's like, and

(16:16):
immediately when, when westarted fighting, I wanted to
make you bleed, because that'sanother smell that's added in,
where you can smell the iron inthe blood dude that's like it's
so it's so crazy because Ididn't understand all this until
I stepped away from like ohshit, that's what it was.
You know like hearing andsmelling and just this whole

(16:39):
intensity of of, like it'sanother level of of animal, yeah
, and if that got out to yourcompetitor, that would probably
deflate them, if they knew.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
If you just looked at and said like if you're
fighting right now and thisinterview got out, it was like
mark her can smell you you'redone, oh my god in here.
The competitor would be like oh, my god, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Like that's what I think would happen because you
have like, like if you go in asauna, right, and you're
relaxing, it's a completelydifferent smell, Like it's just
water and salt in it.
You add hormones into thatstuff because your, your
adrenals are kicking in cortisol, all this other shit.
You, I'm just telling you, youwalk in the room and I'm getting

(17:20):
ready to fight you.
I know what the hell's going on.
Did someone teach you that?
No, it was just.
It was this.
It took me stepping.
Like the next day after a fight, or a couple days or a week
after a fight, I'd go like whatwas that Like I couldn't like,
because it focused me, Like itwould give me another level of
focus of like, like you'realmost like whiffing it in your

(17:42):
nostrils to smell it.
Man, it's so wild becauseyou're such a nice guy.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So if you were fighting now the Mark Kerr from
then now, do you think you'd becrushing it in the UFC?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Oh yeah, I'd have to hit another gear.
I look at the guys now and I goI would have had to found
another gear in my training tobe able to be as competitive as
oh dude in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I was watching some of your old fights.
I think you would killeverybody today yeah I don't
think.
I think you would killeverybody.
Yeah, I think that the way youwere fight, the way you like,
broke shoulders and faces andstuff with the guy that left the
ring that one.
Oh my god, yeah, oh my god, man, that you know what that I just
talked about this the other day.
I said that's the guy that leftthe ring.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
That one fight, oh my God, yeah, oh my God, man, you
know what?
I just talked about this theother day.
I said that's one of thosefights where I never read Back.
Then it was blogs, right.
And so blogs are just startingand the blogs, like my trainer,
boss Root, he goes dude, juststop, stop, stop with it.
Stop reading them.
Yeah, stop stop with it, stopreading them.
Yeah, stop reading them.
And then I happened to readjust a series of them where,

(18:47):
like, kerr can't fight more thanone minute.
His last four fights haven'tlasted more than this amount of
time.
And so it was this huge fightin the Tokyo Dome and I'm like,
okay, all right, and I kept himin the ring, this dude in the
ring, for 23 minutes, 23 minutes, minutes.
And and by the end of it hejust he wanted out.

(19:08):
He just he dove out of the ring, dove out of the ring and I'm
like pulling back in the ring,going no, no, no no, no, no, no,
no it's just it's.
It's one of those where it justit's like another.
Like I said, it's just anotherlevel of animal.
You know.
You know most people understand, like you know, if I went after

(19:31):
your kid, if I went after yourfamily and there's something
physical, you have a gear in you, sure that you can get to right
.
But to access it willinglywithout having that kind of
stress where I'm just competingis that what you did?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
did you think of somebody hurting somebody in
your family?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
no, wouldn't be hurting somebody, but I just, I
you know what used to justabsolutely just solidify it for
me is going.
If you and I went in a room andthey said one person has to
come out, I'm coming out.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah like that, you should play squid games
exactly, geez dude.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
So I I mean it was like this, like I knew that
factually for myself going.
I don't care what I have to do,I don't care if it takes me an
hour or 10 hours, I'm coming outof that room.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, does this come from your childhood?
Is it your dad?
Is it a coach, like?
Who gave that to you?
Like I saw this.
Did you watch the Last Dancewith Michael Jordan?

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I'm like when I watch, like I don't know where
he got that.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like it's like you have that too.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
So I think a lot of that is, you know, oh man, it's
really difficult to define likethe moment right, and it's
really difficult to define likethe moment right when I realized
that A lot of it, believe it ornot, came from my mom.
Okay, my mom just had this, youknow, like you know, not
pressure, it's not, it's notfair to call it pressure.

(20:57):
I call it belief now that if I,if I won one NCAA championship,
that I that I could have wontwo, or I should have won three.
You know, she had this justbelief in me and that push in
belief just allowed me to get toother parts, like
competitiveness, Right, andunderstanding like I can compete

(21:18):
at the highest level in in anysport.
You know, I really felt at thattime I sucked at basketball,
though that's one of those.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
That's why I wrestled , you know so 96 is the whole
olympic thing right and then andby that, at that point, it's
just wrestling yep and when didit start the punching?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
so punching started.
Um, in 96 was one of thosereally just whack years like my
mom had terminal cancer, youknow she died in september and I
had already been approached, uh, by this guy here in arizona.
Uh, to um.
He's like hey, I can get you inthe ufc if you don't make the
olympic team and most of us were, we know dan severin was then

(21:57):
in the UFC.
If you don't make the Olympicteam and most of us were, we
know Dan Severin was in in theUFC.
Don Fry was in the UFC at thatpoint and, um, I said, no, I'm
going to spend the summer withmy mom, you know.
And Mark Coleman took the offerthat was given to me and
started fighting in the UFC.
And then, um, after my mompassed, I literally was like you

(22:17):
know, um, after my mom passed,I literally was like, you know,
I'm just gonna go as fast as Ican, as hard as I can, for as
long as I can, and I'll clean itup when I'm done.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
So mom, passing to that, flip a switch.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Oh, yeah, yeah I mean it was, it was difficult, you
know, you know what'sinteresting.
Um, so I had this mentality oflike I'm just gonna put my foot
on the gas and just whatevermess I create, I'm just going to
clean it up when I'm done,right.
And so that's when I startedfighting.
My first fights, for my mompassed in September.
Uh, january or January of uh 97was my first fight, wow, right.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
And so never been in a fight, never been in a fight.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Nothing came.
Came to this guy.
Uh here, this guy here and hestarted training me, Said listen
, your athleticism, yourwrestling skills, that If you
can make everybody wrestle youyou're going to beat the brakes
off them.
Oh wow, Okay, Right, so it'snot really about fighting, it's
about dominating somebody withyour style to make them have to

(23:20):
wrestle your style, fight yourstyle, once you get them on the
ground, done, done right,because you've been, you've been
training your whole life forthat.
Yeah, now it's a couple blowsyep, so a lot, a lot of what
makes wrestling unique in thesport is wrestling um I say this
kindly.
I say you know, wrestlers canhold you where you don't want to

(23:40):
be held for as long as theywant to hold you there, and you
can't do a freaking thing aboutit.
That's what a wrestler, areally good wrestler, can do.
And so you're punching them.
Oh my god, you're, you'reputting so much, so much
pressure on them.
Like people don't understandwhat it's like to have another
human being hold somebody downand then not be able to do

(24:02):
anything about it and you'regetting mauled right.
You know it's like.
It's like you want to know whata bad day is, right?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
you know it's not getting cut off in traffic, it's
, it's having a rest of all youdown in malia so wait, at this
point, in 96 or in January 97,had you already experienced
broken bones, pain, all thisstuff.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So through wrestling I had experienced a lot of that.
I mean wrestling I so.
So I've I've broken bones in myfoot.
I did that when I was fighting,but I haven't like broke a
femur broke, you know.
I've fractured stuff, but I'vetorn and ripped just about
everything, like a torntransverse abdominals was
probably the worst, and it waslike I hemorrhaged to the point

(24:45):
where my sack swolled up likeyay, big from all the
hemorrhaged blood from mytransverse abdominals.
Was that from a punch?
No, that was.
That was my.
That was, uh, getting trying toget ready for the 96 Olympics.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Oh, that was even from wrestling yeah.
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
So I mean I've torn, and then in fighting it's been,
you know, like partially torncalf, partially torn this ACLs
yeah, I mean, it's a series ofstuff where you you know it took
forever for my hands See howbig my knuckles are.
Yeah, you know it took foreverfor my knuckles to calcify

(25:22):
enough where I could get in andpunch with smaller gloves and
not have that stop me frompunching hard you know, because
you never go back into a fightwhen you weren't.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Your body wasn't healed yet, and one um, yeah,
there's been a couple.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
There's, there's been a couple where I'm like you
know, fighting in japan was itwas difficult because they
didn't care.
They, they, literally you could, you could go to them and you
go, hey, listen, you know what?
My, my dog died, my house burntdown.
You know I, I, you know,ruptured, ruptured this,
ruptured that.
And they go okay, well, we'llhave you on the fight card.

(25:58):
They didn't care, they justcute story.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Exactly, you know, you were telling me earlier,
before we started rolling aboutthe the hall of fame speech.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, so you have to give a speech?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah Right, and someone's helping you write it.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, and so how?
How is that going?
What it like can you do?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
and you said you're getting very emotional reading.
Oh my gosh, man, it's just sothis is and the rock's bringing
you out.
Yeah, the rock's doing theinduction, the introduction, and
uh, oh, my gosh man.
So jay glazer he's a friend ofmine.
He said, hey, listen, I'll helpyou write it.
And I talked to him rightbefore coming here and he's like
hey, here's what I want you todo.
I want you to take these peoplein your life that have had the

(26:41):
biggest influences and just comeup with like a line that sums
it up right.
And so I'm sitting theretexting him and I get to like my
brother and I just start like Igot tears rolling to the point
where I got snot that's juststring drooling down to the

(27:02):
ground because your brother washe supported.
Oh my god man yeah, I'm theyoungest of five kids, oh man.
So you know I'm the baby and mybrother, michael, who's, you
know, 12 years older than me,you know, like I tell people go,
when he was a senior in highschool, I was in kindergarten,
you know.
So that disparity, he's alwaysbeen just a big influence on my

(27:23):
life, right, you know?
And like I'm writing, like um,you know he's always been my
hero, you know, whether he knewit or not, you know, and you
know I've always aspired to belike him because he has
resilience beyond anything.
Super successful guy, you knowwill he be there?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
yeah, yeah, he doesn't know what's coming, so
he might.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, oh, my gosh man .
It was just, you know, liketrying to figure out what to put
in the words that can sum upsomebody's impact on my life.
It's just really hard becauseI'm like I just want to go, dude
, I love you man.
You know, just like you know,in my son, you know, I've been
sober seven years and, um, mymom passed away september 3rd

(28:05):
1996, and my son knows this and,uh, you know, seven years ago I
was drinking on that day andhe's like dad and I you know, I
know you need to drink todaybecause your mom passed away
would you stop tomorrow?
And a lot of that's likethinking like I'm just going to
give him another empty promise,right like, yeah, yeah, I'll
stop, buddy, and the next daythere's just something different

(28:25):
september 4th, september 4th,my sobriety day.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, you know.
I know that because I told youyou were asking me oh, my god
birthday.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, oh my god, that's.
Right that's the day, oh my godman yeah, again, this is like
we're probably always supposedto meet soon.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I know, I know there's so many different things
about hold your son.
Now he's 20, does he fight?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
uh, he boxes, he loves boxing.
I mean to the point where it's,like, you know, three, four
years ago, he here in his room,like you know, one o'clock in
the morning, like video rolling,you know, and it's open the
door and he's like watchingboxing videos.
He's watching and he's justlike dad, dad, dad, you know
he's watching footwork and he'swatching handwork.

(29:08):
He's watching all.
I mean he really appreciatesthe art behind it because he's
tried to get really good at itand realize how, like, when you
watch, like Mike Tyson or OscarDe La Hoya or Roy Jones Jr or
some of that Muhammad Ali, it'slike it's incredible, in the
movie does he exist?

Speaker 1 (29:29):
in the movie.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Nope, nope.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
They don't bring up kids at all in the movie.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
No, it's just.
You know what I call the movie.
I call it a pocket of time.
Okay, so it's a pocket of time.
Okay, so it's a pocket of timebecause it's just one of those
where it concentrates on thatperiod of time where, you know,
I was 11 and 0 um, I was thenumber one ranked mixed martial
artist in the world, you know atthe time, and it's crazy yeah

(29:53):
just even that fact sometimesjust goes straight out of my
head especially since thatwasn't what you were.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
You were wrestling I was a wrestler, yeah, have you
seen anybody, or anybody that,whose ass you kicked like?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
oh my gosh, yeah, yeah, oh, my god, my.
It's so funny because part ofpart of this hall of fame speech
is to understand is that youknow, give people a little peek
behind the curtain.
So my first fights, the last.
I'd fight three times in onenight.
No weight classes, no timelimits, bare knuckle.

(30:26):
You're allowed to do everythingexcept bite and eye gouge.
Dude, that seems so crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
It's beyond.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Like somebody should have just said like do you
understand what you're about todo?
Right, like, do you really getit?
And when I was down there inBrazil because it's in a
basement of a hotel in Sao Paulo, brazil, even more to like
Hollywood screenwriter Right,right.
And the last guy I fought wasthe guy everyone was there to

(30:57):
see.
His name's Fabio Gugel and he'sa Pan-American jiu-jitsu champ.
You know, on the level of HoistGracie, on the level of any of
those guys, jiu-jitsu-wise right, 185, 190 pounds and I'm 260
pounds, 270 pounds 590 poundsand I'm 260 pounds 270 pounds

(31:27):
and I I mauled him for 15minutes.
Is he the?
Was that where they cut?
They gave you the smashingmachine time.
Yeah, yeah, makina, debaterit's.
It's uh portuguese for the, themachine that smashes.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Wow, yeah, and so but that's where I got the name.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's where I got the name and so for 15 minutes I
fractured his orbital so hisorbital bone gets caved in.
I'm headbutting him, I'm tryingto.
I can't understand why in theworld he's not quit it, just it
still to this day.
It's so.
It boggles my mind right likewhat is going on in your head,

(32:02):
that you just can't go.
Okay, I'm gonna tap out andjust tap, because you're not
winning why no?
Because everybody in that crowdwas cheering for him.
Was cheering for him oh yeah,that's right.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
wait, is that the fight where the whole crowd
wanted to kill you, yeah, andthen he had to get on the mic
and say no, yeah, that's crazy.
I hope that's in the movie, ohmy.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
God man, it's part of it.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
They better put that in the movie.
Oh, my God oh yeah, they haveto, because that's why they
called you Smashing Machine.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
So here's the crazy part.
Him like can't believe, likeI'm just mystified, like how you
even held up for as long as hedid.
And then the next day I get acall from his wife, who speaks
english, and she says fabiowants to have you to the house.
And I'm like, oh my god, I'mlike uh, okay, like almost like
do I have a choice, you know?
And she's like no, if I want tosay, have the house, we want to
have you up for lunch.
And I'm like, oh my God, man,here, it is Right, I'm going to

(33:05):
go up there.
All that stuff last night waslike not now, we'll get them
later, and so and so.
And so she's like, give thistaxi driver this address and
they'll bring her.
And so we go up.
I go up to the house and hiswife cooks this just amazing
lunch and I sit down with Fabioshe interprets the whole entire

(33:29):
time and I have this justincredible conversation with him
.
Yeah, that's so first class.
Oh my God, for me that set thestandard of how I was going to
carry myself.
Right business, right, rightlike.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Do people know that?
Like that's can't be in themovie, right, unless you share?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
it.
No, it's.
It's not because when they madethe movie.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
They didn't come talk to you and say they probably
went off records.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
They went off a lot of what was already captured on
with the documentary and stufflike that.
And then they you know it'sit's artistic license to kind of
tweak things, to do it, butthey tried to stay on point for
a lot of it, um, and so part ofthat story is just like I, I, I

(34:13):
understood in that moment thatthat ring was a completely
different place.
Right outside of that ring, youwere a gentleman, you carry
yourself with integrity, dignity, honor, honor code, that you
just that, that I don't carewhat happened in that ring.
The second, we're outside it,we're good, and that was like a

(34:34):
show, because, because I'dexperienced that and for him to
share that with me was just thismiracle.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
So you took that.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Did you ever do that to somebody else?
Did you ever?
Whoever ever beat you?

Speaker 2 (34:48):
And yeah, I mean there, there there was.
There was moments whereafterward, you know, like after
I've gotten beat, where I'vegone in a locker room of the
person that's beat me and I satdown and just you know, because
you share, because no matterwhat, it's this shared
experience that very few peopleget a chance to experience,
right, if you got beat.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Did you ever go back?
Okay, why did I get beat?
You know what I?
I think I I had a beer lastnight.
I probably shouldn't have thatbeer, or you?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
know what I mean?
Is there, you ever do that.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, oh yeah, you ever go, I could beat that guy,
yeah.
So what do you?
What was it ever for?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
you a lot of it was, um, you know, through training
camps you end up with like, likeI had barometers during
training camp, like you know, ifmy weight was too heavy I
wasn't training hard enough, ifmy weight was too light I was
over training.
If I was, you know, doing thisand doing that.
There are certain barometerslike Like Boss Root knew where,
like certain practices, if I'mconsistent with him, he goes,

(35:43):
he's good.
Just, I don't even worry aboutit, he's good.
So I know, going through someof it, like I didn't have the
intensity or the focus that Ineeded, not in the fight, it was
in the eight-week training camp.
You know there was thesepockets where I just wasn't
there.
I was there physically, it'slike in.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Rocky.
Yeah, Rocky was like also whenhe got really famous, he was
like I got a picture and he waslike he wasn't in the zone.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, and then he has to go.
You know, carry logs and hitdeep snow and do his shit you
know, so you know, so you knowthere's there's a lot of looking
back and I think every athletedoes it.
You know this day, you know thegame, I remember all the games
I lost, right.
I remember all the fights Ilost, right, right, and they'll
go.
What about this win?
And I go?
Ah, okay, whatever yeah yeah,it's, it's.

(36:31):
It's the ones where you know Iand this, a friend reminded me
of this he goes you know what Alot of what life is built on is
who you are after you fall flaton your fricking face, face
plant and you have the balls toget up, dust yourself off and go

(36:52):
at it again.
Yeah, that's fantastic, that'swhat that's what that's what
life is life is right.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I mean, look at where you are now and what you've
been through yeah, I mean that'stough.
You said seven years sober thatby itself.
Getting sober had to be.
Was it tough?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
it was difficult because you know a lot of, a lot
of what happens with recoveryis that it's just such a, it's
such a level of insanity I meanthe insanity of like, like, uh,
they say in recovery.
It's like I can't pull into myconsciousness with sufficient
force the humiliation or theembarrassment of a night before.

(37:29):
So last night I could have wentout and been an absolute
asshole, got a dui, got arrested, all this, and then the next
day I can't pull that into myconsciousness to go ah, better
not drink.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Wow, wow you know yeah and so that's gone.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And then I'm like yeah, let's go out and drink
again and be like dude so was it, drinking was also the pain.
Meds it was pain meds at firstand then it cut it, migrate not
kind of migrate, it migratedinto alcohol, and it's just one
where it's just like, at thecore of that there's there's in
recovery.
You know, for me personallyit's uncovering all these little
like okay, yeah, I had a greatchildhood, my parents did the

(38:07):
best they could.
But really, when I say had agreat childhood, yeah, there's
shit that just not good, yeah,but that, that stuff, those pain
meds, are powerful.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
man, I saw that documentary or this.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
if you're watching a show called dope sick, oh, about
the, about the family thatowned the pharmaceutical company
and how everyone's gettingaddicted and all the people that
died for it.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Unbelievable and to know that's real.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
And you went through that, yeah, and came out, which
is rare, uh, which is you knowpart of um, uh, like, sitting
down with the ufc, a guy namedchris um I always butcher his
last, I call him crass mark.
He's head of everything that'snon-live production for the ufc,
for all their differentplatforms, and we sit down on a
couple months ago we have ameeting about some stuff they

(38:50):
want to do and stuff like that,and he goes redemption, that's.
That's because a lot of peoplego down that path.
They don't come back right,they don't come back right.
Like I cause a lot of people godown that path.
They don't come back Right,they don't come back Right.
Like I have a handful of friendsthat overdosed and are dead,
and it's that, it's it's.
You know, there's not a do over, you know, and it's one of

(39:12):
those things where it's like youknow, if I was out doing
opiates now, I I'd be dead.
It's just how I'm built.
I don't have that internal stopbutton.
You know where I can go.
Oh, I've had enough, I'm alittle dizzy.
You know, it's just this buttonwhere it's like more, more,
more.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
So then, what now?
Are your like hobbies?
What do you do?
What do you do to do you still,do you punch a bag still?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
what do you do to do you still?
Do you punch a bag still?
No, you know what?
I'm actually started doing thatlike.
Like I was in california overthe weekend and whenever I go
out there, uh, my buddy jay,he's like we got to spar and I'm
like okay, so we put gloves onand we do like four rounds of
sparring and it's usually he'she's a southpaw, which is even
worse for me, but usually it's acouple of head punches,
dysthymia, and I'm like, okay, Ican do that like once a month

(40:01):
and I'm good.
You know, uh, last year I gotback on my mountain bike and I
started mountain biking a ton.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Cause you seem like you're in pretty good shape.
Yeah, I, literally I wassurprised, how, when, when I was
like I'm breathing, okay, yeah,dude, I went through this
boxing phase and there issomething this is going to sound
weird, but that feels reallygood about getting punched.
It does Right, it is.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
People don't get it.
When I was done, I was likethat was freaking awesome Right.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I mean it must be us.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
John Jay, you got hit 57 times I know I was great,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
I'm not kidding you, I loved it yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
It's strange because, Jay, when we talk about it,
it's just that he's like I needto be hitting the face a couple
times.
I'm like okay, I can do thatfor you.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
You know you being at the top of your game and 11-0
and UFC and the ufc and everyoneknows who you are.
And in this cold thing backthen 25 years ago, did you meet
any celebrities?
Were there anybody?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
oh my gosh, oh my god , I know you you want to be like
that so, uh, you know what thebiggest freak out was?
this is awesome.
So, uh, in the tokyo dome andI'm the last fight, I'm the the
main event for for the tokyodome and, uh, I'm shaking things
out getting ready.
The referee's about to ring thebell and I look over and I go

(41:26):
you are kidding me.
Eric clapped in his sittingfreaking ringside.
It was this outrageous deja vu,like am I seeing what I'm
seeing and I'm just gettingready to fight.
It was probably one of the fewtimes that actually I paid
attention to things around me,but it was like this
introduction, this new sponsor,and it was like the stuff going
on in the ring which which hadthis delay.

(41:47):
That's normally not there, youknow, and I'm like son of a and
the crazy part is two days later, when I flew out, he's at the
airport, so I got a picture withhim.
No way I got a picture.
I go, hey, you might notremember, but you know I was the
main event, and he's like ohyeah, absolutely, you know.
And so it's one of those littlesurreal moments where I'm like

(42:09):
I was actually, like it was coolfor me hey, in the movie emily
blunt plays your wife, right?
yeah, yeah, but that's not whoyou're married to now.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
No, but your relationship with your ex solid
um, it's gotten better over theyears.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
You know there's a lot of a lot of dysfunction,
just you know, because there's alot of drugs and alcohol, and
you know.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
But when I watch, the trailer like it's this love
story and then it's this drugabuse story and that's all you
get out of the trailer.
Also, you get the rock's gonnawin an oscar.
Yeah, kind of what I get, yeah.
So I was curious to how.
So at the end of the movie orat the end of that part of your
life, that chapter in your life,is she what?
What's part two?
Part two what happens with?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
her.
So you know, we had a kidtogether.
I have a 20 year old son, hisname's bryce and and that kept
us together for a little bitlonger, but the level of
dysfunction between us was just.
You know, she had, like myex-wife, she she had a really
difficult growing up.
Her mom, by the time she was 22,had three kids you know as a

(43:14):
waitress, right no man in theyou know type thing.
And so she's the oldest of thethree kids and so she developed
all these you know caretakingcharacteristics and stuff like
that, and so a lot of that was,you know, part of the
relationship and it just got toa point where we couldn't
function.
It was so disruptive to bringup a kid.

(43:36):
Does she live here?

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, she does, she does?
Does your son live here too?
Yeah, oh, that's yeah,thankfully.
Thank you get remarried.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Uh no, no, and that's a crazy part.
It you know she's, she's, shejust is not willing to like even
look at a relationship is thatbecause she's still in love with
you, like you guys have like?
That might be part of it.
Like my son says yeah, you knowmy mom's still in love with you
, right?
I'm like okay, yeah, you knowlike I still love her.

(44:07):
Sure, she was 23 years, right?
I mean I'm I'm in my 50s, soshe, she was almost in my life
for half of my life.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Does she like that Emily Blunt's playing her?
Oh, she loves it.
I mean, it's Mary.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Poppins, right?
Oh, my God man, it is likeEmily is like the second.
I got to do a zoom call withher.
After I was done, I go oh, Igot a new favorite person.
You know, she is just such a um, incredibly intense person, but
intense in a way that's like sointeresting because she's a

(44:41):
question asker, you know, liketalking or she's like digging,
she's like emotionally diggingfor that little nugget that she
needs.
But when you, when you lookback, when I was looking back on
the conversation, I was like,oh, she's, she was digging, you
know, and then she finds thatlittle thing and then she'll,
you'll talk about it.
And then she finds that littlething, and then she'll, you'll
talk about it, and then she's,she's just looking for these
little nuggets, like did she?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
portray your ex pretty well.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
She yeah, she actually said so.
Dawn didn't really want to haveany participation in in this
whole thing Because herexperience through the
documentary and all thedifferent stuff, she didn't feel
she was represented um, how shewanted to be.
And me trying to tell heryou're represented how you were,
not how you wanted to be rightI get it yeah and so emily said

(45:27):
hey, I'm gonna give you a voice.
Did emily talk to her?
Yeah, finally, she's like, okay, I'll talk to her.
And so emily said, hey, I'mgonna give you a voice.
Um, you know, I'm gonna be yourchampion.
You know, and it was like thisin every single thing that she
has said, uh to dawn, she's donelike I'm gonna be your champion

(45:48):
, I'm gonna be your voice, allof that is done.
Happy with the finished product,yeah she, she flew out with my
son to new york and saw thefinished product and dj flew
from california out just to talkto him for an hour.
Wow, yeah man.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, that rock guy man oh man, he, just he's, isn't
wild the rocks playing you in amovie.
Oh, I still can't.
They can't feel real ever.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
It doesn't like it doesn't you know, like back when
2019, when he makes theannouncement, I tell people, I
go here's the crazy part is, Ihad his cell phone number for
four years and I didn't call ortext him once, right?
So he made the announcement2019, and then all this shit
happens, right.
And then you go here we are inthe fall of 2023 and finally

(46:32):
there's this, like I'm gonnacall brad slater, his agent, see
what's going on.
And I call brad and he's likeman, your ears must have been
ringing.
I was like what?
And he goes yeah, I can't tellyou.
And I'm like you can't tell mewhat.
And he goes DJ needs to tellyou, he'll text you tomorrow.
I'm like, oh, my God, I was likeBrad a thursday.

(46:58):
And uh, and so the next day, onfriday, I get a text saying,
hey, I'll call you over theweekend.
I'm like, okay, great, sofriday, saturday, sunday, no
call.
Monday, tuesday, wednesday,thursday, friday.
I get a text saying I'll callyou over the weekend.
And then it's Saturday, andthen it's Sunday.

(47:21):
And now I'm like what the inSunday afternoon I finally get
you available.
And I'm like, oh my God, hecalls me and we spend like an
hour on the phone.
And it was this, totally like.
I told you the first time Italked to him was transactional,
right that time when I talkedto him in 2023, completely
different dude, like, like,there's this whole migration of

(47:42):
like of from that transactionalthis is what I'm going to do to
like.
Hey, it was.
It was just a different,totally different vibe and it
was like hey, this, you know,here's where we are.
Pre-production's alreadystarted.
We got the green light.
He goes somehow, someway.
My team found 12 weeks for meto shoot this and for him to

(48:08):
carve out 12, I go, he knowswhat he's doing three years from
now.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, it's also not a hundred million dollar
blockbuster budget movie.
It's one of those small budgetmovies that wins Oscars.
Yeah, it's about the acting inthis movie it is.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
It's about storytelling Storytelling you
know in that, in that, so it wasjust just complete, and it was
like these calls, these calls,these Zoom calls.
And then it was like, rightafter the new year in 2024,
benny Safdie reached out andhe's like so I had this
beautiful conversation with him,and then Emily, and then it was

(48:41):
this buildup, and then I'msending the production team like
everything I can find from thattime frame.
So they made duplicates ofrings, watches, um, necklaces,
uh clothes.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Oh, because when I see the videos of you back then
I see the trailer.
He looks just like you.
It was weird too.
He's about the same age as you.
Now he is right he's.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
He's uh three years younger.
Four years, so would they cgihis face or or no, oh my god man
, they ended up getting and I'mI wish I knew this.
I'm gonna figure out who it is.
Makeup artist wise.
He's like an academyaward-winning makeup artist guy
yeah and they're like here'sbecause this was from benny,
benny goes.
I don't want cgi, okay.

(49:26):
I don't want stunt doubles.
I don't want, you know, allthese different things that
normally you see in a movie,where when you go back and look
at it you go, yeah, stunt double.
I can tell that.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
That's why they cut, that's why Tom Cruise does all
his stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah because it allows the filmmakers to really
dial into certain scenes.
And so the cool part wasthey're like're, like, hey,
here's, here's for makeupartists.
The prosthetics need to stay onfor wrestling around, for
punching, for sweating, for allthis different stuff.

(50:01):
They put the call out in thisone.
One person answers the call Ican do it, you know and like
holy shit.
And when you look at him you goholy shit yeah, yeah, no, you
do, you do especially.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
You look at the old videos of you, you know, in 1997
.
So my sister is in thehollywood world, yeah, and in
1997 she was working on a show.
It was called the series, wascalled the secret world of, and
it was different things and oneof it was the secret world of
professional wrestling.
And she asked me if I would goundercover and it was for TLC,

(50:31):
the network TLC.
So I was like, yeah, sure.
So they sent me to somesomewhere in Kentucky, I think,
and I go to this wrestlingschool.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
And I'm undercover.
They don't know that I'm aradio personality, they don't
know that I'm like camerasfollowing me.
And it was the most painfulthing.
It was so legitimate theathleticism of being a
professional wrestler.
And at one point, before theyput me to school, they put me in
another room and they asked mewhat do you think about
wrestling?
And I was like wrestling isfake, it's so stupid.

(51:02):
And the wrestlers were in theother room watching on the
monitor, oh my God.
So when they came to take theclass, they kicked my ass so
hard the soup.
I got video.
It's on tv still.
And I remember the next, thenext, I don't know how long, but
I wasn't.
It was like literally.
You know, people said I got hitby a truck.
It was like my body felt likeI'd hit by a truck.
I can't imagine what you wentthrough all the time like the

(51:25):
pain, the pain, which is whyyou're taking the stuff you're
taking.
Yeah, I mean that's crazy dude.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, I mean you learn to compartmentalize some
of it, but some of it is likeyou know, I go like a toothache,
right, Like you can go, okay,I'm going to concentrate, so I
don't concentrate on my tooth,right, right, right, but the
body's still responding to afucking toothache, right.

(51:54):
So I mean you, just so mentally, you can compartmentalize some
of it.
But I mean, the reality is like, when you want relief, you want
relief that's mad.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Mad respect for, oh hey, speaking of your wife, what
about your new wife?
Oh man, now where'd you meether and how long ago do you?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
so I met her oh gosh, she.
She first moved here in 1999and got a job at la fitness in
tempe, which I believe is stillthere same location, same spot.
First house I bought was on theborder of chandler and tempe.
It was mcclintock and Ray Road.
Okay, closest gym is Tempe LAFitness, and so I started.

(52:35):
I was working out there, uh,training, and she got a job
there.
So I met her way back then andthrough just her involvement in
fitness and fitness equipmentand all that stuff, we've
crossed paths for the last 20years and, uh, a mutual friend
of ours, uh, when the movie wasbeing announced in 2019, said,

(52:58):
hey, you, you might want to helpmark out, you know, because
fran had a personal trainer andshe'll, she's text me.
She's like, hey, why don't youcome train with me?
And I'm like, uh, no, like,what?
like, like such an odd thingright on the smash yeah, at the
time I was a, you know, wasn'tin good shape, was just you know

(53:21):
my, my buddy was like goingdude, you need help, you need
help like to get in shape to getin shape, to get your body
sober, um, I just gotten sober.
Okay, I just gotten sober.
I've been sober like a year andsomething and okay, um, so it
ended up being where I had somuch resistance to it.
And then finally I'm like youknow what, screw it, I'm gonna

(53:43):
go.
I'm gonna go might as well.
And so I started working outwith her like one time a week,
then it was two times a week andit was like three, and then it
was four.
I started getting in good shapeand then we would work out
together.
She would go her way, I'd go myway, and then it was like one.
After one workout I'm like youknow, like hey, you hungry.

(54:08):
And she, she's like, okay, yeah,I'll go out to eat with you.
And we just started talking onmore of an intimate level than
just being training partnerstogether.
And then it was, it was likethat one date and it was like,
hey, you know, you want to watcha movie, you know.
And it was like, okay, so youknow, at her house hanging out,

(54:28):
and then it was just slowprocess, like I tell everybody I
was completely broken when Imet her, like completely broken,
you know, as a person.
I had just gotten sober, so I'mjust figuring.
That's why she's been with youthat long yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Also, you know, a little side note that maybe
people don't know is that yourwife adopted a dog from our dog
rescue 10 years ago.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Oh my God, that's what's crazy about this, Isn't
that crazy?
Too man.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
That dog.
I remember we rescued that dogbecause I thought so much of
your wife, because that dog wasso beat up.
It was such an old beat up dogwhich the dog's still around.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Still around, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
I thought this is amazing.
This woman wants to adopt thisdog.
It showed so much heart.
She's such a she has so muchempathy.
She does, she rescued you and,oh my god, man, she takes you're
like a rescue human totally,yeah, I tell people I go this.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
This gives you an idea, like the first six months
you're dating.
Like fran likes to do bigthings, so she gets this huge
log cabin house in big bear,california.
Um, so we're gonna spendchristmas up there.
She skis.
I hadn't skied since I've beenlike a kid and so I'm like, yeah
, I'll go skiing, even though Iknow I'm never getting on the

(55:44):
slopes.
You know it's like, so we goand spend this time at the log
cabin and the first night, um,this beautiful log cabin, she's
down in the master bedroom and Iam in the bedroom the furthest
away from her, like I'm on thesecond floor in the bedroom.
All the way in the back.
I said that's how broken I was.

(56:04):
You mean like you were afraid,afraid, didn't, unsure of myself
, all this other stuff.
Like had you?
guys, not been intimate yet nooh, and you, and it was gonna go
down that night oh, it was likethat trip was like and I'm like
, I'm like I, just, I I reallydidn't have um, I didn't have
any, like my head was so cloudywith all this stuff.

(56:28):
I mean, you come out of arelationship that was with my
ex-wife.
There was a lot of stuff thatfollowed me out of that
relationship, you know it just.
You know, like um, beingintimate, you know, like all the
things surrounding that, that Iput in my head all this other
stuff, and it was just reallyone of those things where it's

(56:50):
like, wow, you know, lookingback on it, going man, I, I, I
didn't know, I was really thatfucked up, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
So did you ever get?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
therapy.
So, yes, yeah, I mean part ofpart of unpacking a lot of this
stuff is to understand my familyof origin, right?
Uh, the dysfunction that wenton when I grew up, you know?
Um, a lot of what happens withalcoholics is they adopt certain
behaviors to cope with stuffthat went on as a childhood.

(57:19):
But when you say yourdysfunction, you grew up.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
My dad was an alcoholic, you know there was a
youngest of five kids, so therewas a lot of, you know my dad.
You know, on again, off again,working, you know.
So you know, I mean, we've hadgovernment cheese, we've had
cheese blocks, we've had, youknow, government substance.

(57:43):
I mean as a kid, like one of mymemories is, like you know, at
the grocery store, food stampsused to come in a book, you know
, and my mom filling the foodstamps out to buy the food and
the people behind me going, ohGod, you know, cause they had to
wait an extra second.
My mom filled these out andjust like that sticks in my head

(58:04):
as a kid and all these littlethings of like of how we grew up
and some of the shame shame Iadopted from that, of how we
grew up and some of the shameshame I adopted from that.
Um, and then when you have adysfunctional family that has
addiction in it, you know as akid, to cope with stuff, I just
was the agreeable kid, you know,cause I didn't want conflict,

(58:24):
you know.
And then as I get older and Iget into my teens, you know, I
become this defiant, rebellious,cute kid.
That's like you know, come on,and those are the two
personalities that that that runmy life as an adult, which both
of them suck at it, you know.
So it's called adult child ofan alcoholic and dysfunctional

(58:45):
family.
It's it's called aca work, andso you kind of look at these
things and it allowed me toidentify of like, okay, when I'm
, when I'm behaving in thosepatterns, that I can identify
them.
I don't have to participate inthem.
It allows me to have a better,healthier relationship because I
can connect with you on adifferent level so are you at
peace with yourself now?
I'm more at peace than I've everbeen in my entire life.

(59:08):
That's awesome.
Like we're saying early I, Igave up on vanity.
Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Well, you know what's funny is so when you came over
to my house a couple weeks agoand it was like you were in
jeans, tennis shoes, a whitet-shirt stretched out, covered
in paint you were covered inpaint and sweaty.
You came over to my house,right yeah, then I saw you a
couple days later like on tvdoing something.
Yeah, you were like all shirttucked in, clean washed.
I was like, yeah, that's notthe dude, it was at my house

(59:36):
dude in my house is legit likekind of like right now I mean
you look great now, but I meanthis is the real, you right it
is.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I like I think you're awesome.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah, I appreciate that I'm so glad to have because
, um, it was about a year agowhere tyler, who runs this
podcast, said to me hey, do youwant to interview Mark Hurd?
Do you know who he is?
The Rock is doing a movie onhis life.
It was about a year ago and Isaid right, the Rock is doing a
movie on his life, good one,everyone says that type of thing

(01:00:04):
, right, yeah, yeah.
Because it's such a long process, yeah, whenever someone,
someone might be interested indoing it.
And it's because I've seen howit works in hollywood today.
I've seen how a song someonegoes rihanna's really interested
in this song and then thesongwriter's like, oh my god,
rihanna's gonna do my song andit never happens.
It goes, it goes for years toall the different channels and
then rihanna's like I don't wantto do it, someone else does and

(01:00:24):
it never happens.
So when this really happened, Iwas so excited for you and I
had never met you yet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
You know what I mean.
It was awesome, it was so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
And then when you see the Rock and then you see you,
holy shit, he becomes you.
Yeah, he's freaking nuts man.
You know he ended up isolated,like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
So this is the feedback that I get from
everybody around him, right,Everybody that's familiar with
him, that's worked on film withhim and that's familiar with him
, that's worked on film with himand that's done all that.
So normally when he does amovie and it's a big block of
time he has his family up withhim, he has his daughters up
with him and his wife comes up,and all that completely opposite
, in vancouver, you know,obviously, airbnb and and uh,

(01:01:04):
hyram, who, who's hisex-brother-in-law?
Uh, who's one of the producers?
Hiram Garcia, danny Garcia'sbrother, who's his ex-wife?
So, anyways, he brings himselfup there, isolates himself.
He treats it like a trainingcamp.
So he gets back in like bootcamp, where it's like he gets up

(01:01:26):
, gets his meal in, gets to thegym, works out, goes to set
makeup on end of meet character.
End of night, home to the gym,works out, goes to set makeup on
end of meet character, end ofnight home, get up, repeat, you
get it.
I mean it's like when I'm intraining camp, like when I was
in training camp.
It's literally it's exactlywhat you do Up at 6 in the
morning, first meal in firstworkout.

(01:01:48):
At 8 o'clock, you know, secondmeal of the day, right, and then
it's workout again thatafternoon to get whatever else
you needed to get in that day.
And then you had this blockwhere it's like eat again, and
then, if you had physicaltherapy, massage therapy,
whatever you're doing, and then,if you had to, if you missed
anything during the day, at the,at the end of the day, that's

(01:02:09):
your block to make it up, right,right, like this morning I
didn't get, you know, an hourcardio, and then I needed you
get it at night, you know, or anhour cardio, oh, you do.
So what you, what we figuredout during the time, is that, um
, what worked best is is acondensed, um, condensed
intensity, so you didn't want todrag it out over an hour.

(01:02:31):
If I can get this intense halfhour, I'd take that over an hour
cardio every day of the like,running or what, like, uh, you
do.
Intensity of of like, um,that's one jump rope, bad bag
work where you can actually getyour heart rate to pop and then
bring it down and pop, bring itdown what's the?
hardest workout you ever done?
Do you ever?
Oh, our, our circuits?
Oh, really, yeah, it's got it's.

(01:02:53):
Actually.
I just talked to this guy theother day.
His name's tr goodman.
He had this, I think a pro campin california and he trained,
uh, hockey players.
So this is back 25 years agowhen, um, heart rate training no
one really knew about it, andall this other stuff and and he
would do a functional trainingwhich no one was really doing.

(01:03:14):
You know, um, it just wasn'twhat was going on in the gyms
and so he would.
He had three different circuitsyou'd have a speed circuit,
endurance circuit and a strengthcircuit and you did it for an
hour and he had you hooked up toa heart rate monitor, where he
had the monitor on his wrist andliterally.

(01:03:35):
So one of the big deals Italked to him the other day
about was when your heart rategets to 185, 190 beats a minute,
you're on the borderline ofwanting to throw up Right.
Your breathing gets erratic ifyou don't regulate it because
you're trying to get air.

(01:03:55):
So when your heartbeat getsthere, you can train yourself to
have this slower rhythm ofheartbeat by controlling your
breathing, by activelyrecovering, so you can still put
out this effort and stillrecover.
But 25 years ago this was likeat the forefront.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
That dude's ahead of his time.
Oh my God, he's not every gymyou go to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
They have some kind of functional training, some
kind of heart rate thing.
I mean, every piece of cardioequipment you got has got heart
rate on it, you're right.
You know.
So back then he could walk youthrough in your head.
Because when your heart beatsthat high, and he'd make you
look at yourself in the mirrorand he would whisper, like
behind you.
What are you telling yourself?
Damn, like what story right noware you telling yourself?

(01:04:44):
Because he knows for a fact, ifyou're doing like, if you're
doing presses, so he'd have likestraight bar, and then you do
like a burpee, like a, like a,like a, throw your legs out,
come back up, pull the weight up, pull it over your head back
down, he knows your heart rateis going to spike, right, so he

(01:05:04):
would literally be behind you.
What are you telling yourself?
Because at that point, whenyour heart rate gets like that,
your head creates a story oflike dude, this hurts man.
Like what are you doing toyourself?
And just stop, you don't needto do.
I mean, tell me right, or youcan have your head tell you
something else.
Yeah, bring it on, motherfuckerright, bring it on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Right, right, right.
You gotta psych yourself out.
Yeah, it's, a lot of peopletake the easy way out.
A lot of people don't want ohgod, because it because your
body's telling you to stop.
Your mind's got you gottalisten to your mind.
Yeah, I guess your body cantake a lot more way more than
you ever ever think right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
You know, it's like watching some of the guys
compete now in the ufc.
You're like like holy crap, man, they hit a gear that you look
at and you go, wow, that'sexceptional yeah, but when you
fought it was bloody oh, it wasnasty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Hey, do you know what the rock is gonna say?
Have you guys talked about it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
oh, my god, he left me a blurb on.
I'm telling you, on saturday Iwas saying like he, he, so I get
done.
You know, we're hanging out atthe beach in malibu and I'm just
trying to decompress beforethis week and and, uh, so we get
back, uh, to jay's house and um, I met, like he leaves voice
text, so I get a voice text.

(01:06:18):
I'm like, oh shit, I didn'teven listen, I didn't you see it
come in right, and so Ilistened to it and it's just
this, just this greatencouraging like.
And then he gives me like twolines and he's gonna say at the
induction and he goes.
Okay, I think I need to go workout because he goes.

(01:06:41):
I need to get in the mindsetand he goes, I'm gonna work out,
he goes.
If you need anything, you know,reach out to me and just I mean
, so what do you respond with?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
thumbs up.
Oh my God man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
So it took me a day.
It took me a day, uh, to sendhim a voice text back and the
voice text, I think for probablytwo minutes of it.
I'm just crying snots andboogers, man, I mean I can't
help it.
It's just like.
It's just like dude.
You, you don't understand howmuch you've Like.
It's just like dude.
You don't understand how muchyou've changed my life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
My life has already changed, right, but how much
he's added to it that I neversaw coming Like he also knows
who he is and the power hebrings 100%, and the fact that
he's talking to you and he knowsthat.
So, yeah, and he's very humble.
We've had him on our showbefore.
He's always been amazing, he,he and he's very humble.
We've had him on our showbefore.

(01:07:32):
He's always been amazing, he,he, he.
Although he did come after meon Twitter one time.
He did.
Yeah, he told me to sit down,shut up and eat breakfast.
Ooh, hey, I made some jokeabout a movie he made.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
In fact, it was so viral that the news came over
the news, showed up and asked mea comment of what the rock said
about me on twitter I was likeuh it's the rock man.
I think it's awesome.
Yeah, oh my god, the rock'smaking fun of me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Tell me to shut up and eat my breakfast, yeah,
that's actually really cool yeah, I gotta find it.
I shouldn't send it.
Oh my gosh man, yeah he.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
He ends up being just , you know, like a, a human
being that actually knows, whenhe reaches in and touch
someone's life, that it's goingto be different I mean his story
by himself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Yeah, to become who became who became is an amazing
story too.
You should play him, I thoughtabout it I'm glad you came and
jumped on.
Oh my gosh man this is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
You know what, man, this is one of the things that
where I've been waiting to dothis because I've been here long
enough in in phoenix.
You know, I've been a fan ofyours forever.
Oh, thanks, man.
You know, it's just one ofthose things where it's like, if
you, if you live in phoenix forany length of time, you know,
I've spent hours and hours andhours listening to your show.
I appreciate that you knowbecause it's just one of those

(01:08:45):
things where it's like you're,you're um, you know forever, you
, you're ingrained in this, youknow yeah, I'm proud to do it,
proud to be here, proud to be azony yeah, thanks brother.
So this is what's crazy aboutlife does the rock?
know this.
Yes, yeah, so, um, I'm livingin santa monica and I'm working

(01:09:08):
out at gold's gym in venice notmuscle beach, gold's gym, where
mike o'hearn works out.
Yeah, yes, I worked out withhim and I'm working out at
Gold's Gym in Venice, not MuscleBeach Gold's Gym, gold's Gym
where.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Mike O'Hearn works out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah yes, I worked out with him last year there you
go, so DJ's working out thereand it's just like going to the
office, right.
So when you go to the gym, likeI would go to the gym, it's
like going to the office for me,right.
And so, anyways, we bump intoeach other a couple times and,

(01:09:35):
uh, he actually says, uh, webump into each other again and
he's like, hey, um, I'm sorry,you want to go to lunch.
And I'm like, yeah, I saidthat'd be awesome.
So we actually go down to thefirehouse, uh, and we have lunch
.
I've been there, the place isgreat, yeah, awesome.
So we go down and have lunch andhe's asking all these questions

(01:09:58):
Does he know who you are?
He does, he does.
And he's going hey, you know, Iknow you fight in Japan and
stuff.
Do they pay you?
Good?
And we start talking about likepay.
We start talking about likewhat it is to fight, what kind
of obligation, what kind of timeobligation, and all these
questions and and um, we havethis great lunch, we exchange
numbers.

(01:10:18):
He's like hey, if you ever needanything.
I don't understand at the timethat vince mcmahon had sent him
home from the wwe uh tour.
He had a torn PCL in his kneeand he wasn't performing to the
level that they expected him toperform to.
They hadn't pushed him to bethe rock yet he wasn't over as

(01:10:42):
the rock.
He was the Brahma bull, I think.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Right, I saw that in the documentary Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
And so what I don't get.
At the time he had alreadytalked to Ken Shamrock, who had
fought in Japan, and he talkedto a couple other people.
He doesn't know if he's goingto continue to pro-wrestle,
because at that point VinceMcMahon was paying him $150,000
a year and he was traveling 325days out of the year.

(01:11:09):
He told me he goes, do the math, right, he goes.
I was paying to be on the road,right and so.
But he wasn't a heel yet.
Nope, right, okay, they hadn'tpushed him over as a heel, right
, as being the rock rightpersona, right.
And so he's thinking at thattime that that's he.

(01:11:32):
He's gonna have to changedirection because he's got a kid
now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
So he's thinking about going to go fight yeah, in
Japan.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Wow, ok, yeah, so did you remind him of this story,
did he remember?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Oh, he remembers it, he remembers it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
One hundred percent.
So there's there's so much morebehind him playing you in the
movie.
Oh, there's such a great storybehind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
God, it's almost like you can make a movie of the
making of how this came together.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
You can, you can wow, that's so crazy.
It's.
It's because you, you again,you think about like the bigger
picture of stuff.
Right right, eight billionpeople, nine billion people on
the planet, chance, I mean,that's that.
He's there 20 years ago, nomore than that.
It's uh.
So 20, it's like.
Is that 20 years ago?
No more than that.
It's so.
It's like, yeah, like 24, 23years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Wow, Did you check the 660 exchange numbers?
Did he have the same numberthat he had?
Oh no, he's gone through Rocknew cell.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
So I found an old I don't know if you remember it
was like God man, one of themanufacturers.
It's like a phone that lookedlike a little phone where digits
are here, a little tiny screen,and then you flipped it open
and it was a bigger screen onthe inside the keyboard I found
it and I actually do have anumber for him way back when,
and it's just one of thosethings where I was like pulling

(01:12:47):
numbers out of it going, oh shit, I had this person's number,
this person you know that'd becool if he put that somehow in
the movie where mark kerr meetsthe rock so part of what the ufc
is doing is they're doing astory about this story.
Oh really, that's great.
Yeah, god, there's so manylevels, that's so oh my god,

(01:13:08):
it's inception it's it's likeyou know we laugh about it and
going I'm so glad you did prowrestling, bro.
Like, so thankful, like,because at that moment you
imagine like okay, I got a kidat home, right, right, and him
feeling responsibility of like,okay, I'm on the road but I'm

(01:13:28):
not making enough.
But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
He knew who you were before he was who he was.
Yeah, and he asked you to lunchand you said, yes, yeah, so at
the time you're the star and hewants to pick your brain.
Yeah, and then you do that.
Yeah, and then he hits thestratosphere and he's the
biggest movie star in the worldand now?
So when the project of yourlife came up, he clearly knew
who you were already.
Yeah, I saw when he made theannouncement.

(01:13:53):
He was so excited to make theannouncement that he was doing
the movie of your life.
Like he's a fan, he's a fan ofthe sport and he knows that you
are a historic figure in this.
Yeah, so the respect what boythat makes me like the rock
already.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yeah, that makes me like him a lot more, yeah man,
that's so cool yeah, I.
I mean, it's another level ofjust trying to wrap my head
around how all of this reallyfolded on itself and part of
what you were saying earlier.
Some people they go.
Oh yeah, yeah, I sold my movieand it never gets made.

(01:14:29):
You hear Dustin Hoffman going.
Yeah, it took me 30 years toget this movie made Right right,
right, right right.
And it's just like when heliterally said in October well,
november, he's like November2023, he's like, hey, this
thing's moving forward.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Also there were other people.
They were going to make a movieabout you with other people,
right?
Yep, jean-claude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Van Damme.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Jean-Claude Van Damme , but he wasn't going to play
you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
The other dude from Spartacus was going to play you
Exactly, manute Bennett.
Yeah, manute.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Bennett Well, he wouldn't have been.
I mean, he looked good, so I'vetalked to Manute since then.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Really, manute Bennett, manute Bennett,
incredible, incredible guy, likereally incredible, in case he
goes.
You don't understand me gettingready for that.
Even though it didn't happen,it changed my life yeah, I think
he trained for five months hegoes.
They changed my life he gothuge, he goes humongous dude oh

(01:15:24):
red it, and it's just one ofthose things where I'm like this
has got so many stories behindthe story.
Right, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
It's like there has to be other, there has got to be
behind the scenes.
Someone has to tell this story.
Yeah, that's so great, but thefact that this guy, they were
going to make it and thenJean-Claude didn't show, is what
they're saying, right?
So then, five years later, itlands on the rock's lap.
Yep, like that's crazy.

(01:15:53):
Yep, and it's gonna be such abig movie.
Oh, it's gonna be.
It's gonna be one of thesetypes of movies.
Yeah, win all the awards.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
They do they do so you got to be ready, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Oh my gosh, a year from now you're gonna be like
can you take down that podcast Idid with you, please?
Who's?
This is mark curse people.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna, exactly, I'm gonna have people.
I'm gonna have people, but,yeah, be careful.
I be careful.
I got people, yeah, exactly.
So what are you doing now?
Me and my wife have a companycalled Absolute Wellness.
We, I say we, she's the onethat does it.
She's really good at designing,like, fitness centers for

(01:16:26):
multifamily.
She does it for all vertical.
So, um, she supply.
She designs, supplies,implements and installs fitness
equipment.
She deals with sound.
She deals with design how todesign a space where it's
healthier, um, like a home gym,or even if you have a hotel your

(01:16:47):
own gym, yeah from your ownpersonal home gym to a hotel yep
, yeah, wow, yeah, wow, yeah.
I mean it's pretty diverse whatshe's able to do.
She's been doing it for 23years and she's really got a
formula for it.
What is it again?
It's called Absolute Wellness,like com com.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
All right, yeah, very cool.
Okay, so welcome to our podcast.
This is a little bit differenttoday, because this podcast is a
spinoff of our radio show.

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