Does Your Sacrifice Match Your Ambition? A Journey Through Philip's Life

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What if your greatest superpower was something you've had all along, without even realizing it? For Philip, it's relationships and genuine human connection that have propelled his remarkable journey from immigrant roots to global entrepreneurship.

In this riveting conversation, Philip reveals how his Kenyan parents embedded service into his DNA, spending weekends giving back while teaching him that purpose transcends personal gain. "The purpose is truly to please God and to serve people," he shares, distinguishing this from the common trap of trying to please people and serve God—a reversal that leads many astray.

Philip's approach to relationships stands out as revolutionary yet beautifully simple: treat everyone as interesting until proven otherwise. This perspective has opened doors across continents, from medical facilities in Greece to real estate ventures throughout America. His business journey spans seven transformative years encompassing car rentals, property development, and community service while maintaining a crystal-clear "why"—financial freedom to one day be a present father.

The wisdom flows as Philip unpacks what makes a quality inner circle (kind, disciplined, intelligent, community-oriented visionaries) versus those exhibiting "mediocrity"—not in achievement but in alignment between stated ambitions and actual actions. "Does your sacrifice match your ambition?" becomes a powerful litmus test for authentic living.

Throughout our discussion, Philip demonstrates how curiosity and genuine interest in others creates abundance rather than scarcity. Even when his phone was stolen while traveling abroad, his perspective shifted immediately to gratitude rather than victimhood—a mindset that attracts opportunity at every turn.

Ready to transform how you approach relationships, purpose, and personal growth? Listen now and discover why Philip believes that "you want what you waste" and how to reclaim what matters most in your journey to freedom.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I would say relationships and people are
always my superpower, Without meeven realizing it.
That's what's opened up a lotof doors in life.
The purpose is truly to pleaseGod and to serve people.
To me, a good life is just onewhere I get to go and bless
other people.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Alright, good morning .
Good morning, this is Dr B.
You are here on the Journey toFreedom podcast.
I'm so excited about today as Iam all the time and just making

(00:41):
sure that on the Journey toFreedom podcast we find the best
folks that are doing things tomake a difference in our world,
to make a difference in ourcommunities, to make a
difference in our society, and Ijust can't wait to have this
conversation.
I asked Phil he's been travelingall over the entire planet.
Sometimes we have people thatare traveling in between their
counties or their cities, butthe things that he's willing to

(01:02):
do and I just got to ask himbefore we got started what are
you most excited about?
And he said he's excitedbecause he realizes that.
I guess there's a quote.
He let him talk about a littlebit where sacrifice matches
ambition, which is so cool whenyou think about are you doing
the things that you're ambitiousabout?

(01:24):
Are you living in your purpose?
Are you doing what you thatyou're ambitious about?
Are you living in your purpose?
Are you doing what you believeyou're put on this earth to do?
You know, I always like to sayGod, your Lord, give me the
wisdom to do the things you putme on this earth to do, to do in
a way that pleases you andserves others.
And so Philip was one of thesefolks that has realized if I
serve others and Philip was oneof these folks that has realized
if I serve others, then I willget all the things that I want

(01:47):
to get in life and all thethings that I want to make
happen.
And so thank you for being ontoday.
Thank you for taking your timeout.
I know you said you were inAtlanta for a few hours.
You were in Kenya for a while.
Now you're in DC, getting readyto go back to Atlanta, then to

(02:08):
travel around the rest of theworld, and so just excited that
you're here with us.
Like all of our guests, I'veasked you to tell your story.
Your story can start anywheremother's womb to now but what's
going to be most to be able tohave this conversation.
And so, phil, thanks for beingon, and I'm going to let you go
ahead and tell your story andthen we'll drop it up right
after that.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Sweet.
Thank you so much, dr B.
Yeah, super excited to be hereand just to have the
conversation.
I think this is how you know weget to learn not only from the
experiences that we have in lifebut also from the experiences
of others.
It doesn't mean we can't go andscrape our knee and figure some
things out, but I think itreally does help, and I can
definitely say it's helped mealong my journey to have been
able to take time to haveconversations with people like
Dr B.

(02:48):
Both you know where I'm talkingabout what I've experienced,
but also what they'veexperienced, because it's a
two-way street that we get tolearn pretty much everything in
life.
So where to begin?
My family immigrated from Kenyaa handful of years before I was
born, which was in the early 90s, which is very interesting to
say, knocking on 30 this year,so very excited about that.
My dad's an engineer, thank you, thank you.

(03:09):
My dad's an engineer by trade,my mom's a teacher.
But outside of what they didfor work, one thing that was
always very big for them wasservice, and so it was funny.
Growing up, I thought everyoneused to spend their weekend
either like packaging up clothes, to like send to the homeless
or giving out food and doingdifferent stuff.
It's like that's just howdeeply rooted service kind of
was from the standpoint of afamily, and so also just an
understanding of the first timeI got to leave the country and

(03:32):
go see essentially thebeginnings of where my parents
began.
I was about four years old andyou know you can't really
understand everything from thestandpoint of being four.
But one thing that I didunderstand was that we were a
lot more fortunate in americathan what many people were there
to experience in africa.
And I think, as I've continuedto go back and continue to
experience traveling uh, workingboth uh on the nonprofit side

(03:55):
in different parts of the worldI've been blessed enough to get
to work in hospitals in europeand work with nonprofits and
different stuff in south america, also in the united states, and
it really just gives youperspective, not to trauma,
compare.
Look at it like, like, oh, likethis is so much worse, so like I
have to be grateful for what'shere.
I mean that's not a bad way oflooking at it, but more so like
everyone has their challenges,no matter where they are in the
world.
There are people in the US thatlive in food, deserts and have

(04:16):
to deal with plenty of thingsthat are very difficult as far
as their environmentalcircumstances, which I think is
what really translates to howyou view freedom, because to me,
freedom is really of the mindmore than anything else.
Like, of course, yourcircumstances can definitely
help make that be a lot easieror a lot harder, and there's so
many beliefs, whether limitingor empowering, that kind of come

(04:37):
along as we live our story.
So, all that to say, going backto the beginning once again,
one of the things that I'm veryblessed that how my parents
poured into me was that I wasalways told I can do anything
that I put my mind into, and soI never approached a lot of
things in the world as if like,ah, like something is too
difficult to attain.
Of course, money was a verydifferent topic.

(04:58):
It's worse in, like, foreignhouseholds if none of y'all have
experienced, you don't reallytalk about money and you don't
really look at it from likethere's a bunch of stuff to
waste and everything else,because people are also
supporting families and stuffback home.
So it was never an aspect.
I think I understand it betternow that we didn't have it.
It was more, so the aspect ofit's already allocated to do
other things and to serve otherpeople.
But the easiest way totranslate that to a child is

(05:18):
that we didn't have it.
So, from a monetary standpoint,I grew up thinking that there
wasn't a gigantic abundance ofstuff, but what I understand now
is that I really had thegreatest form of wealth, which
was community, which was, youknow, emotionally stable
environment, which was likepeople that were there and loved
and cared for me, which is morethan what you know, not
everyone can have, and so Idefinitely look at it as I

(05:39):
continue to grow in progressthrough my journey, and it was a
lot of trial and error.
So I love math, I love science.
I was like, okay, maybe I wantto like do something like
engineering.
My dad's an engineer, so I gotto go and, you know, shadow him
at work and see what it was like, didn't really care for it,
decided to go back I was like,okay, cool.
I was like, you know, maybe I'lldo something in IT.
I used to love like tinkeringwith computers and like

(06:00):
programming, jailbreakingiphones and doing stuff like
that.
I was like, all right.
So I got an it internship at areverse mortgage company when I
was leaving high school and Iremember walking into work and
watching people go into cubiclesand not come out for like 10
hours throughout the day and Iwas like I would blow my brains
out before I sit here and likenot talk to people for like 10
hours a day.
That's just not my personal cupof tea.
So I was like, what's somethingI can do where I can use math

(06:23):
or science, or math and science,and I can still interact with
people.
So I was like, all right, cool,medicine, I'll give medicine a
shot.
So I started off studyingbiology my freshman year of
undergrad and, as I continued,you know, working, within the
first couple of months, therewas a young lady that I knew at
the time that planned on being apharmacist and this is where I
learned so long as you're 18 andyou had a clean background, you
can actually work in a pharmacyonce you're 18 years old.

(06:45):
So I was like, okay, this willbe awesome, I can learn
pharmacology and have like a legup for medical school and it'll
give me an opportunity to learnmore of the practical side of
kind of what I'm learning atschool.
So I did that.
Continued on my sophomore yearI had the opportunity to go and
do a medical fellowship.
I got to go work in Athens,greece, in two hospitals,
evangelismos and Iasol, onepublic, one private and it was

(07:10):
actually during that time that Irealized, because I was quite
not doing anesthesia, I realizedI didn't want to do it, and
part of that was one I was veryignorant to the fact of you can
become a doctor and you can doeverything correct and things
still go wrong, people still gethurt and people still die and
being scrubbed in watchingsurgeries as close as we are
kind of like here to where I'mlooking at like my computer and
my phone and watching things gowrong.

(07:32):
Not that it like it shattered myperspective.
It shattered my perspective andmy reality of what I knew or
what I thought getting intomedicine was.
I remember a conversation witha man that had just got out of a
heart surgery and he was in thecardiac ICU, and so this dude's
probably in his late 80s, maybeearly 90s, and so he's sitting
strapped in the bed, you know,and we're there, monitoring,
taking notes, going around,doing like rounds, and anytime

(07:55):
that, like someone stoppedwatching him, he's trying to get
out of the bed.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
He's tubed up, he's intubated, he's got all this
stuff and he keeps trying to getout of bed and he's like dude,
sit down, like, please, like,please, sit down.
You just got out of heartsurgery.
So we're leaving for the dayand the guy's son approaches us
because, like we're, either youknow we're dressed up or
scrubbed up, so they don't knowwhether we're residents, interns
, whatever the heck.
And so he's like, like you know, you got to go down to the

(08:21):
cardiac ICU to like double check.
But the fact that your fatheris this old and just got out of
heart surgery and still has anitch to get up, I think that
he's quite resilient and I'mpretty sure and hope that you
know he makes a quite speedyrecovery.
And it's like even realizingthose are a lot of the
conversations that you had tohave and I felt like I was
worried.
One of two things was going tohappen either I would very much

(08:42):
so get desensitized to death, ortwo, I would empathetically
take a lot of it on and thendrown myself in a vice.
And from also knowing a handfulof doctors, I saw a lot of
people who kind of exhibitedboth.
Of course, now I understandthere's, you know, healthier
ways and outcomes of doing that.
I bet at 19 that was a.
That was my realm and thoughtof like these are the two things
that could happen.

(09:02):
So came back from athens whilestill working in pharmacy, some
way somehow ended up changingpharmacy gigs and at the new
pharmacy that I was working at,it was.
It was so different because Iwent from.
I had like a managementposition when I was like 19, so
I was managing people'sschedules, pharmacy inventory, a
bunch of different stuff, and Iswitched pharmacies and I was
actually making more than doublethe money, but I had like no

(09:24):
responsibilities.
So it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I was like it was.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
It was super understaffed at the first place.
I had so much time.
I had time to do homework andread books at my other job and I
was like this is, this is great, plus holidays was like triple
pay, so it's like you can makeup so close to like 70 bucks an
hour and outside of working likenew year's day, you don't want
to work new year's day or likethe 31st or new year's eve any
other holiday, you're in therelike reading a book, shooting a

(09:49):
breeze and not doing too much ofnothing.
So it was, uh, it was reallygreat.
So while working in thatpharmacy, I love, you know,
conversation, just like we'rehaving here.
So I used to always talk topharmacists and different
doctors because it was anall-inclusive medical center
about you know what they weredoing, what they were interested
in, like you know what theseason of life looked like.
And there's one pharmacist thatI got to work with who really
didn't necessarily care forbeing there and I'm like dude,

(10:12):
you're young, you're blackyou're making 200k plus, you're
a doctor, you're married, yougot healthy kids.
It's like you have like thepicture dream life, essentially
of how I'm looking at it.
So it's like how is it thatlike?
What else is there?
Like what else would you wantto do?
Or what else are you looking atof?
Like this is what I'd want,like to look like.
And he was telling me about what, uh, what his family members

(10:33):
was doing in finance and I waslike I was so intrigued just
because I just never heardanything like that, and I was
like, damn, this is reallyinteresting.
And I was like, well, I'm smartenough to become you, like Like
I'm smart enough to become them.
So I was like I'm going to tryto like do that now.
And it was dope because he alsowas very much so like willing
to put me in different spacesroom If I needed time off work.
I wanted to go to like abusiness convention or whatever
the heck like I'd have it.

(10:53):
And we actually ended up going.
We're still in businesstogether now and going on to do
different real estate deals andcommunity service stuff together
.
So I'm really thankful justlike for how, as we communicate
and this is another favorite ofquotes like your quality of life
is based on your qualityrelationships.
Your quality relationships isbased on your quality of
communication.
If you learn how to communicate, you can have anything out of

(11:14):
life, and so just bycommunicating and being
intrigued, I think curiositygoes a really far way.
Being curious about you knowhis life, his journey and what
it is he was looking out of it.
It opened up the pathway for meto learn more about how he was
thinking and ended up creating anew pathway and opportunities
for me to go out and try and doa lot of stuff.
And this is about seven yearsand some change ago.

(11:36):
So that's how long I've been.
My mom said I've been doingbusiness my entire life.
But from a more seriousstandpoint in adulthood, it's
been about seven and a halfyears of a trial and error, of a
lot of different stuff, andthat's looked like everything
from working with startups andscaling them to having car
rental companies and scaling upthat, to building houses from
scratch, syndicating into largerdevelopment deals, to flipping

(11:57):
houses to airbnbs, to section 8rentals, to, you know, doing
community service projects, bothlike here, like hundreds of
projects at this point doing alot of public speaking stuff, a
lot of marketing stuff.
It's been a very interestingthing.
But if you wipe all of thataway and someone's like what's
your real?
Why my real, why is I alwayswanted to be a stay-at-home dad,

(12:18):
oh nice, wow.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, okay, I love it , love it, love it.
Oh my gosh, I don't know ifthat's working really well right
now.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Well, no kids.
So I think the traveling thingworks, but stay at home I don't
have to do at the moment.
I just understood it wasexpensive and I felt like for
those formative years, for whenI do start a family wanted to
have the flexibility uh toactually be there and enjoy more
time, uh with my kids, whilestill being able to provide a
particular type of lifestyle andcomfort for them as well so are

(12:58):
you married now and have apartner that eventually you're
gonna get you know, have kidswith or you just traveling?
thing right now, uh, as alwaysworking on it, not married just
yet, but, uh, we're working onit.
But you know, he who finds thewife finds the blessed thing.
So we're still out here, uh,keeping our eyes and our heart
open to find whoever we get tobuild that lucky life with oh my

(13:20):
gosh, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
So, like right now, you know you're saying you're
traveling and you're spendingyour time and you're moving all
over the place.
What is it that you're so intoright now?
That, or do you think this?
Is it?
This is what you're going tocontinue to do, or is it just
we're going to continue to findthings that are fun to do?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, I think life is all about exploration and I'm
forgetting the name of thegentleman, but he had a practice
that I was like I really lovethis.
He would pick like one thingthat was like super radical that
he normally wouldn't do, atleast like once every two months
.
That way, like you know, you'reblessed to live you know 80,
100 years Like you have so manyexperiences that were like out
of the ordinary.
So I remember, like one ofthose things for me is I had a

(14:02):
buddy that wanted to do.
He wanted to do stand up comedyand so.
I do a lot of public speaking.
I'm very comfortable doing likestuff like this.
But stand up comedy is a verydifferent kind of public
speaking.
But I was like, hey, man, ifyou do it like, I'll do it too.
And so that was like one ofthose moments where it's like I
get to open the door and justlike peer into something
different than I normallywouldn't and I had a great time

(14:23):
and we got some.
We got some chuckles out theaudience.
I don't know if I'm making acareer out of it, but that's
just one of the things that I'mlike okay, like that, that's fun
.
I don't see myself changing awhole bunch about, I guess, like
how I move my life at themoment, but definitely just
choosing to enjoy the presentmoments and being open to
changing and pivoting like as hethinks he fit.
Of course I don't plan ontraveling and doing stuff like

(14:44):
this when married or having akid until the kids are maybe a
little bit older.
But for this seasonparticularly, it's enabled me to
enjoy, see a lot, do a lot,learn more about myself and
about the world, and for thatI'm always thankful.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Which is so cool, and one of the things, like you
said, about communication andbeing that higher level.
I mean, when you think aboutstand-up comedy and you think of
ways of different ways ofcommunicating, the better
communicator you are, you know.
I believe everybody should takeat least go to like a theater
or some way that you'recommunicating where you have to
have timing and you have to havethe ability to memorize lines

(15:20):
and to be able to read theaudiences.
It helps in everything that youdo.
One of the things I'd love tokind of explore with you a
little bit is just the singlecall identity, like who you are
and how you become the personthat you are, because you're
evidently able to move intodifferent circles and different
people.
And so many of us have issuesor I don't know if it's just

(15:44):
issues, but just don't know howto have that identity that
allows us to communicate withall kind of different people.
And so what is it that youthink happened in your life that
allowed you to be in a positionwhere you continue to work on
yourself but then also be ableto have that identity that
allows you to move into thesedifferent circles and people and
also be able to have thatidentity that allows you to move

(16:04):
into these different circlesand people.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, I think it was definitely a good balance of
kind of like watching my parents.
It's very interesting.
People always look at it likemy mom does a lot of public
speaking and so they always seeher as like the very like the
social one that brings everyonenearby.
But it's actually my dad who'sthe one who's like the very
crazy social butterfly.
Like we can be walkingsomewhere and randomly like meet

(16:26):
someone random in a home depotand then suddenly it's like an
hour-long conversation and stufflike they can pass by and it's
like so I watched, uh, and bothof them can do both things that
the other does.
My mom is really great atcommanding a room and my dad is
really great at just likeconnecting with any and everyone
, and so they can both do both.
But that's where I saw themshine and so I'd like to say

(16:46):
like I'm a happy middle of likeboth of them.
A friend asked me a similarquestion like how you know, how
do you find it easy to connectwith people, and I finally was
able to you know, think on andput it into words and I said I
treat people like they'reinteresting until they prove
that they're not, rather thanthe reverse, which is what most
people do.
Most people, once they hear youknow maybe what you do whatever
accomplishments, whateveraccolades, whatever car or

(17:08):
whatever else is like they havea curiosity towards.
Now their ears perk up andthey're looking to have a
conversation.
In comparison to, if youapproach everyone in most
situations when you have thebandwidth and capacity to do so,
like it's interesting thatcuriosity can bring about so
many different pathways andmeanings of connections, rather
than kind of being guardedtowards.
Like is it even worth having aconversation with this person?

(17:28):
Like it's worth having aconversation with anyone.
You never know who and whatyou'll learn from in any given
scenario, and talking tostrangers has definitely brought
me a lot of a good fortune inlife oh my gosh, and you just
shot.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I mean, you shocked me because you said your dad's
an engineer.
Every engineer that I knowtypically doesn't really want to
have a conversation withanybody.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
They'd rather be over in the corner doing the
calculations.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
So I guess your dad's got to be this amazing man that
has the ability to be able toconcentrate and think on these
calculations and this detailedstuff but, at the same time, be
able to look at other people.
One of the things that you saidthat I really want to bring out
and point out to folks isbecause one of the things,
especially like on social mediaor all this is folks that don't
do well are always trying to beinteresting instead of being

(18:28):
interested.
And then what you just said isI'm finding out what's
interesting about others, so I'minterested and that's what
makes me interesting.
For other people to play,because you get to learn so much
thing.
For other people to play,because you get to learn so much
, you get to grow so much.
You get to understand the waythe world works by being

(18:50):
interested in other people.
Is that something that you hadto work on or is it just
something that just came?
Hey, I understand that if I'mgoing to be the best I can be, I
got to be interested.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I think it was something that just naturally
happened.
It's funny and I apologize tomy elementary school teachers
because I'm about to tell onmyself I used to hate reading
books, so I used to always justread the beginning and the end
of a chapter and then I wouldjust figure out how to
communicate in a way that wasvague enough that I'd still get

(19:25):
an A on my paper.
But one of the things that Ialways was interested in was
people.
So I didn't realize it likebefore, but people were like my
books.
I felt like it was like I get astory but I'm getting it like
in real time.
So I used to always enjoy justhaving conversations with all
different types of people aboutlike any and everything, from
the time that I was really achild.
I think I've probably regresseda little bit now that I'm older,
but because bandwidth and timebut I think it's always it's

(19:46):
always just been somethingnatural that I really did enjoy
people.
I say relationships and peopleare always my superpower,
without me even realizing it.
That's what's opened up a lotof doors in life.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, and I would.
I would suggest that the reasonthat you're as successful as
you are at all the differentthings you do is because of that
superpower, is because of thatability to create relationships
with people and be and if Iguess I would say this is,
success leaves clues the moreyou're interested in other
people, the further along you'regoing to be able to go.

(20:19):
Oh, oh, my gosh, that that isso cool.
What would you say, like whenyou think about you know family
and dynamics and you know, asyou're talking to people and
thinking, you know what is theone thing that I could do.
You're studying people, becauseobviously you're talking to

(20:46):
people, that you're able to pullout of people.
That makes them want to beattracted to you or to be around
you or to listen to you.
What do you think that is thatyou're pulling out of them, that
that allows you to to do that?
Is it?
Is it just because you'reinterested in them first?

Speaker 1 (21:02):
people like talking about themselves, but I think
it's also like the lens ofunderstanding, like we're all a
lot closer than we are apart.
I think we and in so many casespeople look for different
reasons to like divide and finda reason to like not be able to
relate or to connect with people.
And you know, to each their own, everyone decides how they
wanna approach life.
But I really do think that weare, all you know, beings, or

(21:26):
we're spirits in our humanlyforms that are on this spinning
rock trying to figure out whatwe're going to do, and you know
what exactly we're supposed tobe here to do.
I love what you said earlier inthe beginning, because I align
with that.
What do you feel like the grand, gigantic purpose of it all is
and I agree, it's like you knowthe purpose is truly to please
God and to serve people.

(21:46):
When you figure out, you can dothat and not do it the other
way around.
It's not about pleasing peopleserving God.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's about pleasing God and serving people.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
You can get lost in the aspect of that, and so it's
like when you're doing that, andI think to me, a good life is
just one where I get to go andbless other people, because, by
default, the energy always comesback around one way or another.
Whatever you sow, you reap whatyou sow, you know, or most
people reap what they sow,because we all know there are
heinous people that walk aroundthe world that live quite
healthy, good lives, but I don'tthink that that's necessarily

(22:18):
how the dice that I want to rollor how I think when it's all
ended, you know, or how I thinkwhen it's all ended, you know, I
get to look at my life on likea gigantic screen.
Look at, you know, did you helpor harm more people?
And I understand I will stillharm people, but I think it'll
definitely fail in comparison tothe amount of people that I've
helped.
And that's what helps me, youknow sleep at night and be
excited and energized to take onnew tasks and new things and to

(22:39):
find new opportunities to, youknow, be a blessing to others.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh, man, man, I love that.
Well, and as I'm thinking, I Idon't know if I can find a human
unless they just won't talk tome that I can't find something
in common with.
Yeah, you know if, if youreally try and you really look,
like you said, we're closer toeach other than we ever think.
And I can't think of asituation where I've ever been
having a conversation with anindividual, with me listening
and finding that I can't findsomething in common.

(23:07):
Part of it is experiences thatI make sure that I have, you
know that I try to make surethat I've, you know kind of
similar to where you are, andpart of it is, if you listen
long enough, you're going tofind something that you have in
common with somebody.
Like, right now I'm listening,I'm listening to you and I'm
hearing.
You know scriptures, I'mhearing things, and I would love
to hear about your faith andwhat your belief system is and

(23:33):
how that interacts with all thethings that you do.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah for sure.
So I grew up in definitely in aChristian household and that's
also what I believe.
I definitely have moments oflife as anyone does, and I think
they should where you challengeyour ideas, you challenge and
question.
It's the aspect of like this issomething that I believe for me
, or something that I believebecause this is what I've been
introduced to and what I'vefound is like this is something
that I believe because it's whatI believe in and it's something
that I've through time andtests and plenty of moments I've

(24:00):
.
You know, there's a naturalworld and there's a supernatural
world, right?
And it's like, when you'removing in alignment of what
you're supposed to be doing,there's doors and things that
will be open, that you know noman could ever open, and there's
things that will be closed,that no man can close, that are

(24:22):
protecting you.
And it's like, even when thingsdon't necessarily work out, I
always look at it like that'sjust, that's nothing for
protection.
At the end of the day, if I'maligning with what I'm doing,
I'm walking with my feet forwardand I'm not doing things to
screw things up Because youcan't be like, all right, I'm
supposed to do this and do thisand do this, it doesn't work out
.
God's protecting me fromsomething else.
No, it's like you have to showup as the person that you've

(24:43):
been prepared to be in order tobe ready to open that door and
also to cherish, you know,whatever opportunities and
things that we do have.
So, yeah, I'm big on the aspectof you know.
If it's not for God, none ofthis would be possible.
You know, each day that I getto wake up and have a new
opportunity, it's like we'reblessed beyond measure just to
be able-bodied, able-minded andto have the world and life and

(25:05):
to be able just to create andhave whatever it is that we want
, whatever it is that he wantsto order our steps to have.
But faith without work is dead.
So he can give you the vision,he can give you everything else,
but it's like without the workit's actually dead.
But also, if you knew exactlywhat was planned it takes away
from the journey, how would youever enjoy any of it?
If you knew exactly how it wasgonna end up?
You know exactly how going tohappen at the end of it.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Oh my gosh, that is so cool, and I so agree with you
, because I wake up everymorning and before my first 10
minutes of the day has happenedis all the things I can be
thankful for, all the thingsthat I'm not living the lives of
some other people, you knowjust the and that God has given
me the ability to wake up onemore time and to do, you know,
to be able to be on this earthand do some things.

(25:53):
When I think of like the like,what gets us excited?
Where I think of learning andcreating gets us super excited.
I think relationships andconnection get excited.
I think contribution makes usexcited.
What are some of the thingsthat, when you think about what
you're going to do in the future?
I was listening to Myron Goldenthis morning.

(26:15):
I don't know if you listen toany of the stuff that he's done,
but he was just talking aboutour futures and he said anything
that we think is going tohappen in the future, we've made
up.
If it's going to be good, wemade it up.
If it's going to be bad, wemade it be bad.
We make it up because we don'tknow what that future holds.

(26:36):
Just like you were to say,right, we have no idea, so we
might as well make up goodthings that are going to happen
instead of that.
Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,yep.
So talk to me about that just alittle bit in your world of you
know, creating contributionconnection what is?
it that you're making up.
That's going to be soincredibly good.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I'm big on the aspect of where attention goes,
energy flows, and so, if youdecide to focus on all the
things that are, you know,negative and not necessarily
looking on solutions, becauseeven every challenge is an
opportunity, it's just aboutlike shifting perspective of
like how you look at it, becauseit's like, unless it's
something so to the point thatyou die, to me it's like, if

(27:17):
it's not death, it's like youstill have, you know, a reason
to get up, to get out or, youknow, maybe not imprisonment for
, like the rest of your life.
That could also be a verydifficult thing, where it's just
like I'm going to be entrappedwithin something for the rest of
my life.
So, if it, it's not somethingto that extreme.
It's like we have nothing buttime and energy to figure things
out, to find someone to help us.
Is this a problem that someonesolved before and is it

(27:38):
something that I think it'sworth doing?
For me right now, it's kind oflike I love education, so it's
like education, but educationthrough sustainability.
Before we got on, me and Dr Bwere talking about a phone call
that I had to take when it wasscheduled because I was in
Africa at the time, so it turnedout being 4 am here, where I am
, on East Coast time, and Iremember looking at it I was

(27:59):
like, ugh, do I want to takethis call?
Do I want to have to wake upearly in the morning I normally,
of course, be asleep, most ofus are asleep during that time
and I was like, no, but I'mthinking about the future that
I'm looking to create, and if Idon't get up and do that, then
it's like faith without the workis dead.
So it's like I have the faiththat it could work out.
I've done the effort and theenergy to get the email to set

(28:19):
up the meeting to, you know,have the zoom just paid for and
ready to rock.
And then it's just like allright, cool.
Like I still need to show upand do what I need to do, and
it's like going to have thatmeeting think was great, because
now it's opened up the door andgave me some insight to one of
the universities that I'mlooking to partner with.
And it wasn't just about like,ok, cool, we want to throw money
at something and pay for a kidto go to school.
It's like all right, cool.

(28:40):
Like what are your?
What are your attrition rates?
What are your retention rates,like, why are kids not making it
through the program?
Because now it's like lookingat it from a holistic standpoint
of like how do you not onlyhelp the kids kind of get into
school, stay through school, butthen how do you help them build
sustainability once they'refinished as well?
And to me that's where youstart building better lives and

(29:02):
shifting trees altogether.
Of course you don't have.
It's not.
It's an opportunity, not aresponsibility.
It's not a responsibility forme to figure out how to solve
all of those different problems,but I look at it like it's an
opportunity to create a betterworld.
So why not do that?
Communicate with others aboutwhat I'm looking to do.
You find people to partner uptogether so we can do those
things and just move the needleone bit at a time.
Imagine if you're able to help15 students, 10 students, hell,

(29:23):
even one student.
Imagine what that trickle downeffect eventually does to the
rest of the world.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh man, and to think that you're spending that time
in those conversations andreally thinking the holistic
approach to stuff.
You do so many different thingsor you've done so many
different things that trustsometimes can become an issue.
Because you know, as acommunity we've learned not to
trust first or we've been toldwell, you can't trust anybody
until they prove they'retrustworthy.
But you can't move in thespaces that you're moving as

(29:57):
fast as you're moving withoutthis level of trust.
That is just assumed, becauseif you were distrusting
everybody you would have to bechecking, you'd have to wait to
see if they're proving they'rewrong.
Has that ever been a concernfor you?
Is who do I trust provingthey're wrong?
Is that?
Has that ever been a concernfor you?
Is, who do I trust?
Or you just trust everybodyuntil?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
they prove you wrong.
How has that interacted in yourlife?
Yeah, I've definitely trustedblindly and I've definitely been
burned from it.
But it's like one of thoseaspects of like you learn I mean
, of course, like in business,is very kind of different than
that, but it's like you learnthroughout those experiences.
You find better ways tosafeguard, you find the right
people.
I've been blessed.
It's like they're anomalieswhere it's like I've had the
moments where I was not able tohave those moments or those

(30:38):
trusting relationshipsconsistently over time, in
comparison to, like, how manyrelationships started off with
trust and how many doors andthings were open because of that
and with those doorscontinually open, because to me
it's just like all right, ithappened at some point.
Like eventually, whatever ishappening in the dark comes to
light at some point.
So, even if that person or thatthing that's untrustworthy,
it's not been anything whereit's like all right, this has

(30:59):
been 10 years or years of mylife.
It's like all those things cometo light and when they do, it's
just creating a path or besideme of like how to avoid those
exact same issues, because it'slike none of those things have
put me in a position where I'mout or I'm dead.
So at the end of the day, itmight have been a headache, it
might have been money loss, itcould have been a lot of

(31:21):
different things, but none of itwas enough to ever stop.
You know the ultimate goals orthe things that were actually
always going to happen, and Iwas going to work to make happen
one way or another well andthen, and how trust just plays a
part in it.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
And you know, thinking about trust, we, you
know, sometimes we live in thiswhat-if world and you know what
if this happens, what if that?
And you're traveling, so you're, you're entering different
cultures, some that you're awareof.
I mean, I think you said youwere in the like, the east, or
you were in asia for a littlebit, and so that's a different
culture than africa, is adifferent culture than the us,
is a different culture and youknow, and different communities.
Uh, and it's easy to play thatwhat if?

(32:00):
What if this happens, what ifthat happens?
And sometimes they're negativescenarios is your what if world
more?
What if this goes right than itis?
What if this goes wrong?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I think it's like caution is always like a thing
for me.
It's kind of like can I what ifthis goes right?
And then can I survive ifeverything goes wrong?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
okay, and when?

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I can admit the fact that you know, unless, once
again, just like you know, deathor something else, like I can
make it through, whatever it is.
I was in thailand, funny enough, and like my phone got stolen
when I was in thailand and then,in the midst of that, it's like
, okay, there's troubleshooting,but it's like, okay, am I dead?
Like can I go get anotherreplacement phone?
Can I still have a way ofcommunicating and doing whatever
it is I can?
It's like oh, like yeah, I cando all those things.

(32:43):
Matter of fact, I'll get it alldone within the next 12 hours
and I get back to enjoyingmyself and it's like that's kind
of like how, moving through,that's like we can have these
small moments that end up takingaway all the joy and happiness
of, like an entire experience,an entire trip or, you know,
seeing another country, anotherculture.
And, just like to me, I alsoget to look at it from the lens
of, like you know, he needed itmore than I did.
He had an opportunity thatmaybe he needed to feed his

(33:05):
family and do something else,and this is the best method that
he saw of doing it.
You know, that just is what itis and that's fine, like I'm
going to be fine.
I am fine, I'm not going to die, I'm good, I can afford to go,
replace and do what I need to do.
Life will go on and, yeah,everything's fine.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, you don't even think how much a blessing that
could have been for him, and Imean, obviously filling a phone
is wrong, but you don't know thesituation of his world and his
family and the desperation thatcould have been there.
And this is a greatconversation, right, you were
able to live for 12 hourswithout a phone.

(33:39):
How many 30-year-olds?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
in our country can't live without a phone.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
What did you do without your phone?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I used my computer.
I used my computer andscheduled what I needed to do.
I made sure I communicated withpeople I needed to.
This is what was going on.
I'm not dead, I'm all right,like I'll go and get a new phone
, like when the store openstomorrow, and life will go on I
just see people, even with mykids literally even you go to

(34:17):
dinner tables and you go torestaurants.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
the people that are outside your world right now
seem to be more important thanthe people that you are around,
and I see you as a hugerelationship guy, so as long as
you have somebody to talk to Idon't know if you were tired,
but it just I I can imagine thestories that you'll be able to
tell for the rest of your lifeas a result of that 12-hour

(34:41):
excursion, of not having adevice you know, and in this day
and age, with the cloud andeverything else backed up, I
can't imagine it's a you's atime to get your phone right
back to the way it was.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Precisely.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Oh my gosh.
So, as you're traveling andyou're meeting people and you're
moving, money definitely issomething, and this journey to
freedom has been a part of mylife and so many lives of
talking.
You know, talking about thesethings that sometimes in our
culture we never talk about.
How have you been able tointeract in your relationship

(35:19):
with money where you're notalways worried about that next
amount of money coming in foryou to be able to do the things
that you're doing?
Or you started a business andyou're worried that.
You worried that if thisbusiness doesn't make enough
money right now, then I'm notgoing to survive.
How have you been able to havethis relationship that allows
money to flow in and out of yourlife?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
For sure.
And I think a lot of that comeswith time and also silencing a
lot of the noise of what otherpeople look at it, because in
the beginning that was a lotmore difficult because so many
people were like what happens ifeverything goes wrong?
And then those little falsethoughts and those limiting
beliefs become the things thatare anchoring in your head of
just like, oh crap, like whathappened to things are wrong.
What happened if money doesn'tnecessarily come in and anyone

(36:01):
that's been in business, if thathasn't happened to you like
prepare yourself, it happens itwill embrace yourself.
But it's like once you realize.
It's like another quote that Ilove from a good friend of mine.
Is this so what I feared?
You get to those moments andyou experience the things that
you've been terrified of,whether put on by yourself or by

(36:22):
other people.
And then you go through it andyou're like, oh OK, all right,
it's not that bad.
But you're like let's continuemoving on.
And then you realize like Ineed to figure out how to be
able to provide the most amountof value to the people that I
care about or the people thatI'd like to serve, because when
you do that like, you alwayshave good things that
consistently come back.
When you do good work, greatthings always just consistently

(36:43):
come back and that's just theeasiest principle.
There's been so much businessthat's come from just repeat
business or from other people,people that referred me because
of doing good work and alsodoing a lot of work for free,
because, like in the beginning,I was like I wanted to do so
much work that I can kind oflike build up enough confidence
that I'm like, all right, I cando this and I can execute at it
and also just doing favors.
I believe I'm like you charge myclient not by service, like

(37:04):
just because someone may needsomething, like you're not going
to charge someone, a microsoftinstitution the same thing that
you would charge like a mom andpop shop.
So it's like do right by people, be fair, whatever your idea of
like fair is, and I feel likethe great things always come
back around.
New opportunities always comeback around.
I had a friend literallytexting me about like hey man,
like you know, I got anopportunity.
Like you know can we chatnormally as a finance person.

(37:27):
People are saying that becausethey want me to invest money or
do something else or help themraise money for a deal.
But it's like oh no, likehere's a contract for pretty
much like six figures that Idon't have bandwidth to do.
Can you take over and do it?
And it was something that'srelatively simple.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
It's like literally just like that, like when doing
and pouring into people and youknow, doing it right like things
always end up coming back Ilove it because we need, like
you said, when you serve othersand you serve others and you're
willing to do a lot of that forfree and do the goodwill of what
that takes, it always comesback.
It comes back tenfold, it comesback a hundredfold and you can't

(38:01):
stop it right.
It's because you're not sittingthere in this world where
you're going, this world of lack, and I hope you can talk to me
a little bit about that, becausewhat I find, and even when I
see our country in the statethat it's in, it's all based on
this finite resource of whateverit is that we're trying to do,

(38:22):
and somehow, if I have it and Igive it to you, then it doesn't
exist anymore.
And I think of the God that Iserve as the God of abundance
and there is no lack ofresources and so I don't have to
.
I'm not worried every day thathey, oh man, if I, if I let
Philip know what I'm doing, thenyou know, somehow I'm not going
to have it anymore.
I want to say it.
That means that Philip knoweverything that I'm doing.

(38:44):
We partner together and we gochange the world.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
That's kind of how you look at stuff is abundance
and not lack and able to helpmove through the way that you do
100% and then just making sureit's like QPO, like quality
people only, like, I think beingvery strict not with how you
serve or how you bless people,but the people that you let into
that inner sanctum of your life, is what makes all of the
difference in your world.
Because when you need people tolean on and you need people to

(39:09):
get things done, even if it cameto like everything blows up and
goes to nothing, I can callpeople and have money within
minutes.
It's, it would literally bethat simple.
Because, like those are thekind of ties and relationships
like they're there where youknow it's not from an aspect
that this person is is ignorant,or this person to just go out
and be wasteful, and then alsovice versa, if it's anything
that anyone's ever been in aplace of me, that's like, oh, I
can't do it.
It's like it's not a question.

(39:29):
But, yeah, like that's whatthose inner sanctums are
supposed to be there to serviceeach other, not just enjoy the
good times, but be there toweather through the storms when
things are terrible, because weall have those terrible storms
that happen, and it's not alwaysjust financial, sometimes it's
spiritual, sometimes it'sphysical, for of our own health,
sometimes it's the health of,like other people in our family
which causes other mental andemotional stress, but it's like

(39:50):
those people that you're goingto decide and, like, go through
life with and weather thosestorms with.
Like, whoever you decide tolock arms in and battle really
does decide how far you're goingto go and how quickly you can
navigate your problems.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, man, you're just all these things that I'm
thinking of as I'm having thisconversation with you, and one
of the questions that I've neverI've never asked anybody.
I'm going to ask you Because Ithink you're going to be really
good at answering it, and so youknow I talk about often is we
are the people that we hang outwith and we're always striving

(40:25):
to be in better rooms, strivingto be with.
You know, if I'm the smartestperson in the room that I am,
then I'm probably not in theright room anymore and I got to
continue to find, but we areclosest to five or six people
that we're closest to.
And the question I want to askyou is what are some of the
traits if you think of yourinner circle?
What are some of the traits ofthose people that are in that

(40:46):
circle that you get to serve andget to serve you?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say kind is the first
thing that comes to mind.
Discipline is another thingthat comes to mind Wildly
intelligent, very much socommunity-oriented Visionaries,
because everyone's very good atplanning and looking forward and
what it is that they want intheir life, and then making

(41:12):
visionaries that have enoughspace in their vision to
encompass what everybody wants.
I think that's another thing.
A lot of people are good atcasting visions for themselves,
but their visions aren't bigenough that they encompass their
family, their friends, theirloved ones and even having the
conversation to understand thatfar out what those people want,
because it's easy to just, youknow, have an idea.
Oh, maybe that this is whatthose people want, cause it's

(41:32):
easy to just, you know, have anidea.
Oh, maybe this is what theywant.
Like I literally have momentswhere you know, we catch up with
friends and we talk about youknow what it is that we're
planning to do 10 years from nowand reverse, engineering how to
help each other do those thingsin the present time and then
revisiting those things becausethose things also change and
like that.
Okay, but it's like if you'renot having that conversation
consistently, it's like how canyou really be there to help or

(41:53):
serve or point out differentthings that could help those
people to get where it is thatthey want to go.
yeah, yeah, yeah put it alltogether.
As far as how I'd put a lot ofit, it's better to be a warrior
in a garden than a gardener atwar, and a lot of those people
are kind.
They'll cut people at theirknees if they need to, if they

(42:13):
get in the way of the peoplethat they care about or their
own visions.
So it's like kindness by choice, not by default or not out of
fear.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Oh man, I mean, I wrote all of this down because
it's so true If you'resurrounding yourself with people
who are thinking like that allthe time you can't help but not
start thinking that way.
Right, If you think of somepeople that are no longer in
your circle, what are some ofthose traits that probably
pulled them away from what youwere trying to do?

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, I would just like I just put it to a simple
word of being mediocre, and whenI say mediocre I don't
necessarily mean towards like myown ideologies of what it is
that I want or see for otherpeople, mediocre towards the
standards of what they said theywanted out of life.
I feel like when you're notaligning with that, it's not up
to me to decide what you shouldbe doing with your life or
anything else like that.
I want to see if you'realigning your actions with what
you said you want, because Ican't be there and try to be

(43:06):
pushing you or want you to havewhat it is.
You say that you want more thanyou making the actions and so
forth, and if I'm ever as such,I would want someone to call me
on or move me out of the space,because that's a very dangerous
thing to have around wherepeople are like, oh, like, I
really do want this, I want this, but then wanting is free.
Once again, does your sacrificematch your ambition or does your
obedience match your ambition?
Or does your obedience matchyour ambition?

(43:27):
Cause a lot of people look atit If I sacrifice enough, does
it mean that something willautomatically happen?
But even if you have to beobedient long enough to see
whether that even pays off.
Can you do that?

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Man, when you think of that, you know how many
people do we know that are nottrying to be the best they can
be at whatever it is they'redoing, they're just okay
existing.
And if those are the peoplethat you're hanging around with,
that are just okay existing.
You almost got to run becauseyou don't want that to be not
only part of you, but it's hardto.

(44:00):
If you have a vision and youhave a dream and you're working
to serve people and you're doingall these things and you're
moving at 100 miles an hour andyou have somebody who's just
kind of there, it's like they'rein the way, right, you're going
to trip over on your way to gowhere you're at.
So, no, you got to leave thatarea of what you're doing.

(44:21):
So you have this group of folksthat are doing, are ready, and
you're having theseconversations.
How often are theseconversations happening?
Is it just pretty much everytime you're seeing them?
Or you, you know you hangingout playing video games all the
time.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, so it's like a pretty much when I, when I see
them.
So it's a mixture.
It's like I have some friendsthat like will meet like in
larger groups, like togetherevery once in a while.
I have some friends that likewe can talk almost like on a
daily basis Some friends, butit's kind of like it's
infrequent how often we talk,but that's the thing it's like
when it's nothing but greatquality people in between.
It's just like your life is sofilled with greatness for lack

(45:04):
of a better sense or ironsharpening, iron, people going
after their dreams, and thenyou're figuring out how can I
help them continue like move theneedle just a little bit more
or help to encourage them whenthey're having like a hard
moment, cause we all have thosehard moments.
We're going.
It's like we're all dedicatingto doing hard things while we
can, because at some point it'slike you do the hard things Now.
Life becomes easy later.

(45:24):
Do all the easy things now.
Life becomes a lot harder later.
But I think that's also a bigthing of perspective.
Sometimes a hard thing forpeople just asking for help and
I think, even having people thatyou can call and lean on when
it's like, hey, look like I'mstuck right here, like either I
like to ask them to lead me,follow me and get the hell out
of my way, but these are peoplethat normally it's like when you

(45:46):
feel safe enough, it's justlike crap.
This is where I'm at.
You know what my long-termvision is?
I'm too much in the weeds.
Like lead and help me guidethrough how I need to be
navigating this scenario.
Or it could be the aspect oflike yo, like I'm about to go
through down this dark valleyright now, like can you follow
me and make sure you got my six?
And then it's like mediocrity.

(46:09):
Then you're like you just gotto get the hell out my way
because, like you're not, you'renot going to be allowed to be
there, because you can't help mestrategize, you can't help
watch my back, you can't be inthe space.
But those people are.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
They're the first two , yeah and I can see if you have
a group.
That's that way.
You're almost fighting not tobe the mediocre person, right
not to show up, as I have to gowith my game on because I don't
want to lose your connection.
How much of a time should aperson or how much time do you

(46:34):
spend working on you, working onbettering you, and I know
there's all kinds of ways ofdoing it.
You kind of said at thebeginning I didn't like to read
a lot of books or things.
Now, so how are you working onyou and what's that percentage
look like of all the time thatyou're?
You know your wake time andobviously you sleep, but you're

(46:55):
working on you and I'm not sureit's not a certain amount of
time every day but just kind ofa general what is?
what does that look like?

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I.
To me it's more so like a beingthan it is like a fixation, and
so it's like, if you're, ifyou're consistently like in the
frame of mind of like it's likegrowth versus fixed mindset.
I'm always considered like youknow, how do I grow and how do I
be better?
It's like everything that youdo is gonna like encompass some
aspect of like how do I do thatmore?
How do I be better at that?
How do I do that better?
And like each day is gonna lookvery different.

(47:25):
But it's like how, how do Ishow up and be just 1% better?
You don't need to be like amillion times better than
anything.
Just how do we be 1% better?
Like did I handle all thosescenarios exactly like as I
should?
Did I respond to those thingsin like the best way that I
could have?
I like, or how do I need to dothat better?
Because I wasn't in the space todo that in that particular
sense, like reflect, I thinklike blocking off time to really

(47:46):
just sit down and like be,rather than just like go, go, go
, go, go, go, go, go, go, andlike having time to sit back and
reflect helps a lot with that,but it's kind of like we get
into this pilot one of myfavorite books, outwitting the
Devil how we get into, you know,this hypnotic rhythm of life
and the way I look at it is likeautopilot or like a GPS isn't
bad if you've set the rightcoordinates or destination to go

(48:06):
to, but if you, if you don'tknow where you're going, or if
you set your destination to thewrong place you know you can
make a lot of practice, andpractice does make improvement
you can be improving in thewrong direction.
So, having those moments tocheck in and make sure that,
like your actions and everythingis aligning with your long-term
vision, you're not beingmediocre and your sacrifices

(48:28):
match your ambition as far as,like what you said you're
supposed to be doing, how yousaid you're supposed to be
moving, and then making sure youhave those other people that
are like walking alongside youto like get it all done, it's
kind of like it's very hard notto fail.
It's so hard.
It's like at that point youreally almost gotta be
intentional.
At that point of like I justwant to be worse, or I'm

(48:49):
choosing to be worse becauseyou're already in the thought of
like how can I do that a littlebit better.
How does it move the needle?
Or is this optimal?
This is optimal Like what's thenext thing, like I need to work
on so that I can show up and doit, and do it with like a
gracious heart and like a kindheart, with excitement, not out
of like obligation.
We're not obligated to anything.
So there's just a lot ofopportunities to create the life
that we want or just enjoy theone that we have.

(49:12):
And once you kind of hitwhatever that ceiling or that
point is for you, it's okay tobe like all right, I think I'm
done broing, I think I'd likejust to chill, and that's good
too.
But you gotta be able tocommunicate that so people can
look at it and be excellence inthe aspect of they said they
want to be still.
I'm sure there's plenty ofpeople that are like I want
retirement, Retirement.
I'm not supposed to be working,I'm supposed to be spending
time with family, but thenworking, everything creeps back

(49:33):
up and it's taking away fromwhat would have been the
excellence in that season, whichwould be them being still or
them not working.
So it's like, until wecommunicate what it is that
we're supposed to be doing,other people can't hold us
accountable to whether we'redoing it or not, and that looks
different in every season yeah,do you journal?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
yeah, okay, and then you reflect on the things that
you wrote or the things thatcome back.
It's kind of it's neat to findpeople that you can kind of tell
that this is what they're doing.
When we think aboutentertainment and I think
entertainment's important, weneed to, we need to have
entertainment but sometimes Ithink the balance gets way off
on the people who are justalways I don't know using
entertainment as a distractionfrom their life instead of

(50:17):
educating themselves how to getout of that distraction.
Entertainment versus educationand you know, I guess when
you're always going somewhere,you're always trying to be more
educated and entertainment justbecomes.
But there's just so many people, especially in our culture,
that like they almost work Idon't want to say worship, but

(50:37):
it's like the entertainmentbecomes so part of who they are
that they can't grow.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah, I think it's kind of like.
It's like diet at the end ofthe day.
It's like our diet is so muchmore than just you know what we
eat.
It's you know what we think.
The conversations that we had,like how we speak to people,
like all of these things likecreate our environment, which
create our diet.
And I think it really comes downto the aspect of sometimes
entertainment becomes so greator so interesting because it's
like this is the best I couldever get of enjoying this aspect

(51:07):
of life.
And it's like I like basketball, for example.
I love basketball, I loveplaying basketball, I love
watching basketball, but to me,like I'd be very bored and just
watching a bunch of basketballI'd actually play.
I've enjoyed playing it a lotmore than watching it.
But there's a lot of peoplethat are just like oh, like I
can't do that, so like I'drather just watch, watch it
instead, rather just watch itinstead.
And I think, depending on whatyour realm of life is, there

(51:28):
should be some things where it'slike all right, I enjoy seeing
a little bit of, but I enjoydoing it a lot more.
Or I wanna watch it because Iwanna use it to get better at
something.
I wanna watch people speakpublicly so I can get better at
how to do it.
I wanna watch people cook so Ican become a better cook.
I wanna wrap together aroundlike we can be sharpened by our

(51:49):
education, or we can very muchso use it as a escape from our
current reality or from whatwe're too afraid to work and
what we're too afraid to besuccessful at, because that's a
lot of the times too, people aremore afraid of success than
they are of failure.
They're like what happens if Ido try it and then I end up
being really great at it, andhow much that's going to shift.
It's like we get verycomfortable in how life is.

(52:09):
It's very difficult to getcomfortable with
uncomfortability.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
It's funny how you say it, because I have
acquaintances or family thatcome to me and they're like I'm
just struggling.
They go through all the thingsthat are going on in their life
and they can't maintain it, theycan't go.
And then on the nextconversation they're telling me
about 15 different shows andwhat's going on.

(52:37):
And I'm like I get it.
I know exactly why you'restruggling.
You're spending all of yourwaking moments watching somebody
else play pretend and make awhole bunch of money at somebody
else playing pretend and you'renot doing anything.
What did you do to improveyourself last week?
What did you do to you know?
Did you journal?
Did you even think about whatyour life is going to look like

(53:00):
later?
Are you just living your lifelike they know more about
patrick mahomes and his statsthan they know about their own
kids and what the kids are doing?
Somehow we got to get thiseducation thing.
You don't get to watch a lot ofTV until you've done all the
things that you want to do.
Then that dream isn't there.

(53:20):
I guess.
Is there something that, foryou, sparks that dream every day
when you wake up like I want toget this done today or I can't
wait for this day to happen tosee what's gonna transpire as a
result of it?
What does that look like whenyou wake up every day?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, so I have two main rules anyways I do things I
enjoy with people I enjoy.
If I ever feel like some ofthose things necessarily change,
I'm like I don't do thosethings, things anymore, because
I think even just the spirits oflike how we are and how we feel
dictates so much of whathappens when we walk through
doors and we have experiences asfar as, like, I can get the
aspect of how people do allthose other things, because most

(54:00):
of human behavior is designedto alleviate suffering.
So even when it's the aspect ofI'm choosing to go live in
whatever reality show or like gocrazy on the stats et cetera,
it's because, like, I don't wantto face whatever the other
reality is.
I think the challenge to mostpeople would be like I would
challenge you if you think youhave great relationships with
all those people in your life,go and talk to them and ask them

(54:20):
their bare honest truth of howgreat the relationship actually
is from their lens.
Because whatever you think it isoften is not what it is and if
we're not willing to get toreality and then we get stuck in
feeling bad but what doesfeeling bad do?
Feeling bad doesn't help, or doanything else.
You should actually be quiteexcited to learn that.
I thought that this was areally great relationship, but
I've been lacking, because now Ihave the opportunity to make it

(54:42):
better.
If I didn't know what thereality of what it was and how
they actually felt, imagine whatwould have happened more years
down the line, whether that'swith a kid, with a spouse, with
a friend, with a partner,business partner, whatever it
may be.
Well, we can get to the realityof what things are.
We can make real moves thatmake real improvements on our
life.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Thank you so much.
I mean we're kind of windingdown on time no-transcript on

(55:41):
those platforms.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
outside of that, I would say favorite books that I
recommend outwitting the devilis easily, uh, number one.
I would say the Courage to beDisliked another conversation,
thought books.
Both of those books are verygood audiobook style.
First one is a conversationbetween Napoleon Hill and the
devil.
The second one is between aphilosopher and the student and
it talks a lot about how wescrew up relationships by
putting them in hierarchiesrather than realizing that we're

(56:04):
all just people kind of goingthrough our own experiences in
life.
Third, I would say Third CircleTheory is another book that I
would definitely recommendeveryone check out and it's a
pretty short, quick read thatwhen you don't have to do audio
book.
And then, outside of that, Iwould just say like I would
challenge you to figure out howto communicate with the people
that you care about so you cancreate the best relationships
that you have and all aspects oflife.

(56:25):
And go live out your wildestdreams while you can, because
tomorrow have in all aspects oflife.
And go live out your wildestdreams while you can, because
tomorrow isn't present, tomorrowisn't promised, which is why
today is called the present.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Oh man, thank you so much.
Thank you for taking the timewith us today, thank you for you
know, there's so much to unpackin what we talked about over
the last 45, 50 minutes.
Oh, my gosh, I'm going to haveto go back.
I'm going to take notes, notes.
I'm gonna write down somecredible quotes that you, that
you talked about, that I think Ineed to write down and put up
on my on my wall, and things tothink about.

(56:55):
Uh, the way that you, that you,enter life on a daily basis is
just so inspirational, and Ihope people will be able to take
that and say this if philip cando this, I can do it too, and
hopefully they will connect withyou or contact you or find you
on social media and say, hey,you know, I don't know how to do
this.
I'm a little bit stuck on this.
What would you do in this case?
Because I feel like I just hada masterclass, and you know this

(57:17):
is how to live an abundant,awesome, incredible life, and so
thank you for being on.
For those of you who thoughtthis was a great episode,
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That's just amazing, if youallow it to be.

(57:40):
I want you to know that you'reGod's greatest gift.
He loves you, if you allow himto, and that we look forward to
seeing you in each and every oneof this, and I can't wait to
see you on the next one.
So you have an amazing day.
Any one final thought that youwant to give Phillip?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
All right, the last quote that I'll give, which was
one that I got from an awesomeguy that I randomly met at an
airport, which was you want whatyou waste.
If you want time, it's becauseyou waste time.
If you want money, it'snormally because you waste money
.
So go out there and don't wastea single thing that matters to
you.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Oh, so good, so good.
Thank you, we'll look forwardto talking to you guys on the
next one.
Have a great day.