April 1, 2025 • 57 mins
What happens when a detective puts down his badge and picks up a microphone? Kevin, a 22-year law enforcement veteran, reveals the powerful journey that led him from the streets of Brooklyn to a successful career in policing and podcasting.
Growing up in 1980s Brooklyn during the crack epidemic, Kevin was shaped by two working parents who instilled values that continue to guide him today. His father, a retired NYPD homicide detective, unknowingly set the template for Kevin's future career path. But unlike many who become consumed by their professional identity, Kevin discovered early that balance was essential for survival.
"You have to have something else to do... You have to have some faith... You have to absolutely have some support from your family," Kevin explains while discussing how he navigates the challenges of being Black in law enforcement during an era when police officers are often vilified. His answer? Creating the Sports Chasers podcast with longtime friends, transforming their passionate debates into a platform that's been growing since 2018.
The conversation dives deep into emotional intelligence, wellness practices, and how faith serves as an anchor when witnessing humanity's darkest moments. Kevin candidly shares how he teaches rookies to prioritize mental health and develop interests beyond the job, wisdom that applies far beyond policing. His commitment to mentorship programs and community involvement demonstrates his belief that success isn't measured by fame or fortune but by living purposefully and serving others.
Whether discussing the evolution of his podcast from humble beginnings to professional syndication or reflecting on generational lessons taught by his grandfather, Kevin offers a masterclass in maintaining identity while pursuing multiple passions. For anyone struggling with work-life balance or searching for purpose beyond their profession, this episode provides both inspiration and practical wisdom from someone who's mastered the art of being more than his job title.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You have to have some other things going on.
(00:01):
You have to have some faith.
You have to absolutely havesome support from your family.
I says, when you get this job,you need to have something else
to do.
You have to have some otherfriends to hang out besides this
.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, welcome to another edition of the Journey
to Freedom podcast.
I'm Dr B, I'm your host todayand just incredibly excited and
I know you guys probably getsick of me after 150 episodes of
saying I'm excited about thisnext guest but I am, I truly am.
I truly love to be able to sitdown and talk with individuals,
(00:53):
especially, you know, as westarted Journey to Freedom, it
is a podcast for Black men, andwhen you get to sit down with
Black men who are doing thething, who are doing what they
were put on this earth to do,that are living in purpose, that
are excited about beingsuccessful or excited about
their futures, so many times Ican remember, you know, talking
(01:13):
to folks and they just they hadno hope.
You know, I took a.
You know, Kevin, I took a groupof black men down to Alabama
back at the end of January andwe I call it a victory, civil
rights victory tour, because wekind of where we're stuck and
we're trying to figure out, okay, where did we come from and
then where do we be?
You know, where are we able toend up and can move forward from
(01:34):
right now.
And sometimes, you know, I don'tknow where you're from.
But I know, in Alabama I almostfeel like I'm still in 1970
when I go there, when I go toBirmingham, and I'm sitting down
and I ask a waiter, you knowhow much are you making per hour
?
Are you willing to share withme?
And he tells me I'm making $2and 15 cents an hour as a waiter
.
And I'm like also like, areyour checks?
(01:56):
I mean, you get a lot of tips,Are you able to make you know, a
thousand dollars a month oranything?
It's like no, I'm usually under$500 a month or anything.
It's like no, I'm usually under500 a month.
But I'm like, how does somebodysurvive?
Because I know, I know a loafof bread doesn't cost 25 cents
in alabama anymore.
Right, I know it's, you knowwhatever it is.
I think 3.99 exactly you know agallon of gas isn't 28 cents,
(02:18):
you know it's, it's three orfour dollars.
Like, how do you get back andforth?
And when I think about that andI go, OK, so I take this group
of men because we want to findout.
You know the Bryan StevensonMuseum and we're going to the
Pettus Bridge and we're at the16th Street Baptist Church.
But more important in that tripis OK, this is where you're at,
(02:39):
when do you want to be and howare you going to get there?
And so it gets so exciting whenyou know, because my life now
is resolved around helpingpeople become the person they
need to be in order to do thething that they were put on the
surface.
And I think that's what successis.
When I, when I'm trying todefine success, it's not about
the amount of money that youmake or the amount of fame that
(03:00):
you have Although those are goodindicators that you're doing
pretty good at what you'resupposed to do but it's more
about are you living in thatpurpose?
Are you serving others well?
Are you getting up every dayexcited about the next day
coming?
Are you a pillar in yourcommunity?
Are you serving?
You know?
Those things seem to be soimportant as to who is
(03:20):
successful, and so being able todraw that out and thinking now,
you know, for me, podcasting iswhat I love, what I, you know,
I get up every morning and say Iget to do another podcast today
.
You know I'm teaching, podcastcoaching and that kind of stuff.
And then to hear you is doingsome of the same things as you
know, having a show and doing,you know, and being able to
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communicate with others in a waythat makes their life better in
some way or another, is just socool.
And so I've asked Kevin to tella story, like I do all of our
guests, so we get to know him alittle bit and then we'll chop
it up after the things that he'sdoing now and the things that
you know and how he interactswith his identity, and you know
(04:02):
how that shaped his life.
And so thank you for being on,thank you for being willing to
spend a little bit of time withus and talk about the things
that you're doing, and the flooris yours, sir.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Dr B pleasure.
Thank you for allowing me andhaving me here on the journey to
freedom, man, it's.
I appreciate you.
I appreciate the work thatyou're doing and, hey, helping
people figure out their life'sjourney, and I think that's so
important.
I think that you have anincredible job and kudos to you
for doing what you're doing, man.
(04:32):
So I definitely appreciate that.
So I'll just start off with mystory, definitely my story.
A kid from Brooklyn, new York,growing up in the 80s and in the
90s, and one to two parents mom, she worked for the telephone
company for 30 years.
My old man, he's a retiredhomicide detective with the NYPD
(04:55):
, and so household to me, mybrother and my sister.
And I was the middle kid.
So, and growing up I likedsports.
So you know I enjoyed allsports, played all sports,
played baseball, hockey,baseball I said baseball already
basketball, football, even onthe baseball and football team
(05:19):
at my local high school inBrooklyn, man, so I enjoyed it,
I loved it.
School in brooklyn, man, so Ienjoyed it, I loved it, um, and
sports has always been a, a, avehicle for for me, so to speak.
You know, been in the boys andleagues, um, pal things of that
(05:41):
nature, and, of course, I had afather who's the police, as the
kids say, um, you know that alsotoo was some you know some
structure and some you know somethings of how it's made me
today and I'm very appreciativeof that of him and my mother and
their values of coming up, andsome of those things have
absolutely instilled in me tothis day their work ethic, um,
(06:05):
how they went about things andhow they they are still healthy,
they're still with us, um, intheir 80s and living amazing and
have you know, they just stillhave their great health, which
I'm very thankful for becausethey figured it out at a younger
age.
Hey, to stay around, stayaround here for a long time, I
need to be healthy, make betterchoices, be fit, be moving
(06:28):
around.
So I'm appreciative of that,what they have taught me as well
, and my other siblings.
So, like I said, growing up, itwas fun growing up in Brooklyn,
and I grew up in, like I said,in the 80s and 90s, in the crack
era up there.
And I grew up in, like I said,in the 80s and 90s, in the crack
era up there.
Thankful to God that you know,I was able not to be steered in
(06:49):
the wrong direction but yet inthe right direction, and I had a
lot of you know people aroundsupporting us.
You know, takes a village.
That's definitely true.
It does absolutely take avillage and I think it even
takes a village even more now,today.
So I say all to say this like Isaid, my mother and my father's
work ethic, you know what theytaught me, what they instilled
(07:10):
me.
Um, yes, with the church,mother used to drag me and my
brother, my baby brother, tochurch and some of that stuff is
absolutely has instilled it tome.
Faith is definitely veryimportant.
So, so, as I say this, so we dothis I've grown up and tell you
(07:30):
that my old man he's the police.
So guess what happens to me?
I'm the police now.
So I've been a law enforcementfor the last 22 years, not in
New York.
I moved, actually, to Charlotte, north Carolina, back in 2021.
Yeah, 2021, where I was acorrectional officer for the
(07:52):
sheriff's office in Charlotteand then I became a sworn deputy
sheriff and then I did that forabout almost 13, 14 years and I
moved to South Florida whereI'm currently working in South
Florida as a, as a detective now.
And, um, just when you weresaying that, brian, about your,
about people in their journeyand how they, how those things
(08:16):
work, and some of the thingsthat you were saying, absolutely
I absolutely been involved inuh, big Little Brother, helping
kids out Back in 2009, me andone of my homeboys who I grew up
with in Brooklyn.
He worked for another agencyand we took 11 kids that never
(08:39):
left the county of Mecklenburgup to Washington DC on a visit
to see all the stuff in DC and,like I said, some of those kids
never ever left the county andwe was able to do that through
the PAL program that I was apart of Excuse me, and it was
(09:04):
probably another thing.
I can't think of it right now,but, um, that was very, that was
very cool to to help help themout, and I think two of the kids
are absolutely still keep intouch with them to this day back
in 2009.
Some, unfortunately.
You know we try to instill someof those good values, but you
know, some some sometimes peoplefall by the wayside.
It's just what it is so fast.
(09:33):
Forwarding back to what I'mdoing today um, there's been a
lot of things about policing inthe last, I say, 10 years.
Um, police are not the mostwell-liked people and just to
kind of one of my co-hosts onthe show, he always, always used
to say he said, kev, you shouldtalk about what you do.
I said no, I really don't wantto intermingle the two.
I just don't.
I just really don't.
I said professionally-wise, Ijust don't.
(09:55):
But he said you should too,because it absolutely humanizes
you and lets people know thatyou know there's other sides to
you than just being a policeofficer.
Like you're a dude that lovessports, and not only do you love
sports.
The podcast is successful.
We've been rocking.
We've been doing this thingsince 2018.
And it just humanizes you, andI think it does.
(10:21):
So guess what my brother doestoo.
He's a cop also.
Oh, wow, it does.
So, my.
So guess what my brother doestoo.
He's a cop also, oh, wow.
So we have made it the familybusiness, I guess.
And, um, like I said, my old man, he's retired.
He's been retired for since thelongest, since the early 90s,
and um, yeah, so I guess that's,that's my story and my, like I
(10:43):
said, my co-host shout out to myman, dorian.
He always says he said I'm soproud of you guys Because, like
I said, we grew up together.
And he says, yeah, you shouldabsolutely sometimes shout that
out, and I do so down here inSouth Florida.
Like I said, I'm a detectiveand I still do some of those big
(11:03):
brother, little brother things.
They had like a 500.
What's that 500 kids role model?
They just did that last weekthat I'm a part of and, yeah,
man, I'm just, like you said,early in your thing.
People in the community shouldbe a pillar of the community.
Who can you help out?
Who can you?
(11:23):
People in the community shouldbe a pillar of the community.
Who can you help out?
Who can you.
It's just not you just going tothe top, it's about helping
someone along also.
So that's pretty much my story.
I'm getting I don't know whatelse to add, but that's just my
story.
But the whole journey and how,and I'll tell you this about the
(11:45):
podcasting thing.
So the podcasting thingabsolutely, like I said, it was
a passion of mine to do, to talkabout sports.
My co-host, his wife, said oneday she said you guys argue so
much on the phone.
I said have a show.
I was like wait a minute,rhonda, that is brilliant.
(12:05):
I says we're going to do thatand that's what we did in 2018.
I know what we was doing.
I just started.
It had a laptop and I had amicrophone and I had some
headphones and that's all I knewhow to do back in 2018.
Thank God for some networkingand connecting with people.
That's pointing in the rightdirection, where you know we're.
(12:26):
We're making some headway in inthe sports genre of the
podcasting land and I and I justlike it for the fact that
podcasting does what it givespeople other than how can I say
it's more important people aplatform to say something, um,
which is what I love.
I love the content creators onYouTube.
Yes, it may seem like the WildWild West, but you got to pick
(12:49):
and choose.
Who do you listen to?
It's just like anything elsefood right.
Either you're going to go toMcDonald's every day or you're
going to go to the produce aisleat Publix or whatever
supermarket shopping that you goto.
So it's a choice.
So that's why I love thecontent creation space.
I'm not relegated to just thelegacy networks, and there's
(13:10):
some people out here in thecontent creation space who don't
have the backings of thesebigger media corporations.
They're absolutely doing awonderful job of whatever
they're doing and I watch them,and I absolutely watch them and
support them.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So that's my story, man.
No, thank you, and thank youfor sharing and and I'm gonna
ask you a couple questions here.
But I definitely want to getback into the podcasting thing
because that's you know, one ofthe things I'm doing is coaching
, podcasting.
Now I believe everybody,everybody could have a podcast
uh it is the new frontier andyou know, I think people believe
(13:47):
.
Well, it used to be like TV andradio where it had to be who
you knew and who you could getwith and how much money you had
to be able to do it.
And there's so much great,incredible content out there.
That is, you know, for you guys.
Are you guys doing local sportsor are you doing nationwide
sports?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Man we cover it all.
Man we cover it all.
I actually just got off a callwith a gentleman in England
about collaborating with themdoing some soccer stuff.
He found us.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Love it.
Do you know a lot aboutfootball?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
No, so one of the things that we do on here, that
that we kind of brainstorm anddo it.
I don't know everything, no, Iwas.
So my sports is I.
I know very much as baseball,football, basketball.
I know hockey a little bit.
But guess what I did?
We did I should say, excuse me.
I got my one of my dudes who Iused to work with.
(14:42):
He's an avid hockey dude andthat's what we call him, the
hockey dude, so he joins theshow as a hockey dude, so we
cover every anything.
So if I need a soccer person, Igot two people who I reach out
to for soccer.
Um nascar, because I lived incharlotte for a little bit.
I know some people up there,that'll.
You know.
Anything high comes up onNASCAR, I contact them.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Nice, nice.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And sometimes it's just not a how can I say a
famous face, somebody who'spassionate about it, who really
knows what it was, and it givesthem, it empowers them, to be
like yo man.
I'm the expert too.
I'm on somebody's platformtalking about something that I
know and that is so fulfillingto people and to see that in
their families.
(15:26):
So I that's just one of thethings that we do.
Like I said, I don't knoweverything, but I'll seek and
find who does, and I thinkthat's one of the formulas
that's working for us.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I love it.
Well, I want to jump backwardsa little bit, because you know
your story is is one that is,you know, not like not, not not
like other folks are.
I mean, some folks have prettysimilar stories, but what
happens is our identity, youknow.
You know when we think aboutidentity and who we are, who we
(16:02):
believe we are, and able to movethrough.
How was your, I mean, excitedthat you had two parents, and
you know we have both sides ofit.
But you came out saying this myidentity is going to be, you
know, that of a, of a correct,you know, a policeman, and then
that that kind of probablyshaped a little bit about who
you are, but that somethingallowed you to move forward in
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that and be successful at it.
Because I know a lot of folksthat are police officers have
been there a long time and theydon't move up the ranks, they
don't move into detective.
They don't move into detective,they don't move.
You know, and, uh, you knowsome that like it, some that
don't like it.
I know for, uh, I want to thankyou for your service because
it's got to be incredibly hard.
I know, here in aurora,colorado, we had when, um, uh
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chief metz.
You know black um uh chief thatcame from seattle was our chief
of.
You know.
They hired him as our chief ofpolice and then he created a
group of like a community groupthat I was part of and we got to
go there was like 15 of us thatwe got to meet with him, but
then, shortly after he was here,elijah McClain happened and so
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the whole world goes upside down.
You know, based on officers,that he had nothing to do with
hiring.
Nothing to do with it came upbut of course he's the one
that's taking you know what didthese guys do?
So, maybe, as your identitygoes, what has it been like to
(17:26):
keep an identity that's strong,as we have a nation that's
decided that you guys are thebad guys, which you're
absolutely not?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I think for me and I can only speak for me.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
How you keep an identity.
I think you have to havesomething else more to do than
just go do the job and that's it.
I also teach a wellness classto all the rookies that come in
and I tell them.
I says, when you get this job,you need to have something else
to do.
You have to have some otherfriends to hang out besides this
(18:06):
.
I says, because this can be alot and I've always been I can
truly say I've never been theguy like if you meet me in the
street you probably will say,hey, that guy's, I've been
called man, you look like ahedge fund guy.
When I saw somebody I neverthought you was a police officer
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because of the way I wasdressed.
So I was like I appreciate that, but yeah, I don't want the
identity.
I was like I appreciate that,but yeah, I don't want the
identity.
I think a lot of times sometimesyou know some guys that get
consumed with it and getconsumed of who they are as a
police officer.
And me I just I treat it as ajob and I love what I do.
Sometimes I have some good days, sometimes I don't have some
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good days.
It just, it just depends andthat's just what it is, and it
comes with a job.
Like you, as I don't have somegood days, it just depends.
And that's just what it is, andit comes with a job and, like
you said, it's an incredible jobthat has a lot of power to it,
and the right person has to beable to do the job.
And one of the things I teachtoo when people come in here,
who's not about it, who becomesunfaithful to it, it becomes
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absolutely a problem for therest of us, who's absolutely out
here doing the right thing.
And so, to get back to youroriginal question, Dr B, I just
think that you have to have someother things going on.
You have to have some faith,you have to absolutely have some
support from your family andyou know just to.
(19:34):
And I think this, and I saythis I said I teach wellness
right, and you absolutelyprobably need to go talk to
somebody once a week and I'm nottalking about your homeboy
either Somebody professionally,somebody clinically.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And I'm for real because we see a lot of.
I've seen a lot of stuff and Iabsolutely probably should be
somewhere.
You know I'm for real becausewe see a lot of I've seen a lot
of stuff and I absolutelyprobably should be somewhere.
But I go talk to somebody.
I've been through a lot ofstuff.
I've been in a couple caraccidents that probably could
have took my life, things ofthat nature and police officers
they see a lot of stuff, a lotof trauma, and so I recommend
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you should go see somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Well, and I'm glad you I'm glad you said that,
because there's so many of usthat believe we got this.
I don't need any help, I don'tneed you know, but that's
absolutely so far from the truthis you know, god put us on this
planet to be in relationshipand he put us in a healthy
relationship and when we takethat away, you know, and I don't
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know what like divorce rate isfor you know officers, but I
imagine it's pretty high andprobably within the black
families, even higher.
You know, as a result of whatyou're saying is not checking
your wellness and making surethat you're okay and having
those conversations because wealmost have to distract
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ourselves, sometimes no matterwhat part, and you're just in
that high-stress profession thatcan be very rewarding but can
take a lot away from you, I'msure.
At the same time, how did you?
Because you had your dad as apolice officer and we think
about trust and how important itis to trust the people you're
(21:24):
around, probably even more so ashaving a partner or having
people that have your back howdid you develop your sense of
trust?
Do you just automatically trustpeople because you give them
the benefit of the doubt first?
Do they have to earn your trustin some way?
Is there some kind ofcombination?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think for me.
I'm very cynical, so I have tofight against that.
I'm just being honest.
I absolutely have to fightagainst that because, like I
said, I've seen a lot andsometimes to see what other
human beings do to other humanbeings, it absolutely takes its
toll.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So I absolutely have to check myself, make sure I try
to get people the benefit ofthe doubt and um, you know, but
you know I still got my eye onyou, but um, I've got you, I'm
looking at you, I'm making sure,oh my gosh, you do that, which
is important because trust issuch a a big um thing that if we
(22:26):
, we don't, we don't have that,uh, and we just we're trying to
walk through without we can'tfind anybody to trust right
right be a lonely a a lonelyexistence.
And yeah, has faith played apart?
I mean, I think you brought upthe word faith, but maybe kind
of talk about Faith isabsolutely boiling apart.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think you, you absolutely saw, I believe in God
, believe in Jesus, I'll go tochurch and all that stuff.
Like I said, my mother, sheliterally used to drag me there
to church.
Yeah, mom, when you see this,um, I love you.
But, um, yeah, we were inchurch.
We was in church all the time,man, you know what I'm saying
(23:08):
and um, but now I absolutelylearned, dr b, I learned a lot
of foundational stuff in churchfrom my pastor at the time and
though you know you wouldn'tthink that you was listening or
anything like that, it justabsolutely carried me to where
I'm at now and you absolutelyneed to believe that there's
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someone or something or a higherbeing that can help and sustain
you, even when you know there'snothing around, there's nobody
to look to.
You know who do you pray to,who do you liken to?
Just you know, come in whennobody else is around, and I
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think faith is definitelyimportant and I absolutely do a
lot of praying.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's so cool?
Do you find that it's, you know, being a person of faith.
Is it easier to be an officerwhen you have that and you know
there's a higher power thanmaybe some of your colleagues
that don't have that same?
You know faith and belief.
You know as you go through yourdaily you know faith and belief
(24:17):
.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You know, as you go through your daily,
unfortunately I'll just go downto the path of suicide, man, how
you know where, like I said,you know, officers see a lot of
stuff, man, and they can'thandle it, man, and then that's
the ultimate you know thing thatthey do which is so unfortunate
, unfortunately, and where youknow they could have got some
help.
But you know, ultimately, man,man, just you know, god, what
(24:41):
can, what can, what can you doto help me out?
What's what's going?
How can I, I can deal with this, and that's just such a, that's
such a thing, man.
So I think with um, such athing, man, so I think with
Faith, I don't know how they doit, I just I'm just being honest
.
It's just because there'ssometimes, you know you'd be
(25:02):
like God, and there's sometimesat work, you know, like man,
that's again, you know yourviewers are seeing this.
If you haven't really talked toa police officer, go talk to
your local police officer, man,especially that's one that's
been on the gig and you knowthey absolutely have seen a lot.
If you would see a lot of stuff, you absolutely it would do
(25:24):
something to you and you got tohave some inner faith.
You got to have something tosustain you.
That's my belief, that's mygoal, and I'm thankful for what
my mother had did while when wewas younger, of instilling that
into us and making sure that weknow who what name to call.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So that's so cool well, and you know I struggle
with this stuff I've seen, Ihaven't seen very much, you know
and not and saying god, you arereal right right, right right
doing your job and not saying,oh my god, what is this for?
what is it?
This is all about, um, one ofthe things you attributed to
your sex, your, your success, uhis that you have support of
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your family.
Maybe talk a little bit likethey played.
Your family played a part inhelping you, not only in the
success of your job, but thesuccess of all the other things
that you do, being able tosupport you in all the ways they
have.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Maybe talk about that just a little bit, I would just
say, from when we was younger.
So my father's side of thefamily, they it's, it's, it's a
bunch of us, it's a bunch ofthem, and um, we just basically
just made a little community manand, and we just made sure we
just supported everybody andanything that they had going on.
(26:48):
And that's just what the that'sjust what the name of the game
was.
And support could come in a lotof things.
Support can be just showing up,support could be a phone call,
support could be monetarily orwhatever, whatever that you need
to help.
I think you know the village,the whole village thing.
I don't think that's thereanymore.
(27:13):
To be honest, I think we havegotten away from the village.
I think people have absolutelygotten to their own little
cocoons and you know the village.
You know you don't have to bealone, but I think people are
now choosing to be alone.
But I absolutely attest mysuccess of family and community,
and not so much your family.
(27:35):
I call them family.
I've been knowing since I'vebeen six years old that we're
still cool to this day andthey're like family to me and
I'm family to them, and I justthink that's just important,
that you don't have to gothrough things alone, but
sometimes people think they arealone.
But you don't have to gothrough things alone.
But sometimes people think theyare alone, but you don't have
(27:56):
to be alone.
But you got to sometimes do thereaching out too.
That's what I find out withpeople.
They're hesitant to reach outand you never know until you do.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Are you married?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, what does it mean to you to be?
I can tell you're probably anamazing husband.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I try to be.
I try to be.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You can watch this too right in your profession and
the things that you bring home,and to still care for another
human being and be able tosupport them and to be able for
them to support you and to be anexample in the community.
You know there's so many in ourcommunity who aren't and we you
(28:48):
know we have this.
You know I do a podcast onSunday nights.
It's called why Love Waits, andthe statistic in our community
is that 50% of Black women thatare over the age of 40 are not
married and out of that, 75% ofthem have children.
(29:10):
And so we've decided as mensomehow that we don't need to be
married, or women have decidedthat they don't need to be
married, and we've taken awaythe family unit out of our
culture.
And to me it doesn't matter ifyou have a diverse marriage, but
your marriage.
You're promoting what marriageis and we've kind of gotten away
(29:32):
from that, and part of it is wetook men out of families and
all the things that havehappened through the last 200
years or whatever 400 years.
But you know, for somebody whois married and who is is working
through it and has a verystressful profession, maybe you
can talk to us a little bitabout.
What does it mean to supportsomebody else?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Um, I think that comes with, you know, because,
like I said, there'll be somedays you won't have good days
and there'll be some days thatyou have bad days.
Your partner just has tounderstand who you are, what you
are, and like really reallygetting to know it.
I think sometimes and yes,that's might not what you signed
(30:15):
up for, but it's just what itis, and you know you might need
to just get some support and umand think of other people.
So my wife she probably youknow, I don't know this, but she
does a good job of it, butmaybe she goes to my mother
she's been married to a policeofficer for the longest, so
almost 50 years so how do I dothis?
(30:39):
so, um, but now she's cool.
She absolutely does a great jobof making sure that I'm not
stressed, um, anything thatneeds to be handled.
Um, you know she can wait untilI get home or whatever.
Not so much now.
It's a little bit moreslow-paced, being that I'm in a
(30:59):
suit.
Now I'm not in a uniform oranything like that, but when I
was in uniform, yeah, sometimesI couldn't be talking or
whatever the case may be,because I'm dealing with
something, the aspect of cominghome to a person, I think they
just got to know, they just gotto know when to be, you know,
(31:24):
not approachable, but they justgot to know.
They just got to catch thatfeeling of what that person is.
Is might have been goingthrough kind of gauge, hey, let
me see, did he have a good day?
Or he or she have a good day?
Right?
Because you know there's women,that's, police officers who do
an outstanding job, whoabsolutely you know the other
side.
You know the man.
They come home to the guy andthey're like you know how was
(31:45):
your day, or whatever.
Because you know my world isdefinitely different than my
wife's world, what she does andand I always say, I say you,
would you live in a differentworld for your whatever hours
you work.
In my 10 hours that I work, um,my work could be bedlam, it
could be fires, unfortunately.
(32:06):
You know people laid out in thestreet, shootings, things of
that nature, uh, babies drowning, you know all the stuff that
causes trauma, now.
So, but I just think thatperson just needs to be a really
good support, a really goodcheerleader, so to speak, and to
make sure, engage how thatperson is doing and if they're
not doing well, make sure theyget them some.
(32:27):
Some help needed.
And when I say help, it come.
Help can come in all types offorms.
It can come in some kind ofstress reliever thing or, you
know, when you go to the, towhatever, there's a couple.
I've seen it before.
What is it?
It's a rage.
I don't know if they got themout there, but I've seen them
down here in South Florida.
They call them rages houseswhere you just go in and just
(32:49):
tear up stuff.
You pay some people to go tothis room and take it like a
sledgehammer and just start justtearing stuff up.
Oh my gosh, dr B, I love you,not man.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I was like wow that is, you got some really pent up
anger, in you.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, oh my gosh, I guess, whatever works, whatever
it takes, Whatever works, oh mygosh, oh my gosh, oh my Lord.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, I know you talked about big brothers and
working with the community.
Are you a dad as well?
No, I'm not a dad.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm not a dad, but I'm like a dad 2.0, according to
my niece.
Okay, shout out to my niece,kennedy, that's my brother's
daughter and, yeah, she calls medad 2.0.
But I guess I've been doingsome dad and uncle things Ever
since I can remember being inchurch and being part of Big
(33:43):
Brothers and when I was inCharlotte it was right, it was
called Right Moves for Youth,that's what I was named.
I wanted to give them the right, right moves, right moves for
youth, and, you know, makingsure that you know kids are on
the right pathway and instillingsome good values in them and
instilling simple things as howto tie a tie.
I remember the first time mygranddad showed me how to tie a
(34:04):
tie.
I'll never forget it.
I'll never forget where I wasat.
I was in his living room andhe's like hey, boy, come here.
So he showed me.
He showed me.
So you take the tie, you do itlike this, do it like this.
Look, I'm even doing it nowwith a tie string.
I'll never forget it.
And I it took me three, three,four times to do it and I
finally got.
(34:25):
I said, look, randall, I got it.
And you know, yeah, some of thefathers are not home in the
house, man, but but if aperson's available, like in
those programs which are veryimportant, you know that they'll
never forget stuff like that,absolutely Tying the tie which
to me, I still remember to thisday, like I said, where I was at
(34:45):
when me and my grandfather wasgetting ready to go to church
and he showed me a tie, tie.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, and there's so many things that for our youth
and for our folks growing upthat we used to do because we
were in community and we were inproximity.
Now we have.
If I need to learn how to tie,I just look on YouTube and you
probably could.
But there's one thing ofknowledge, of knowing things,
and there's something about theprocess of you and your
(35:15):
grandfather yes be able to be inrelationship when you did it
that youtube can't take.
Now I'm thankful for youtube.
I mean, obviously we're doingpodcasts and yeah, part of our
yeah yeah on the internet but itdoesn't substitute for being in
community with people, and Ithink we kind of lost that.
I mean, I'm assuming it's madeyour job harder as an officer as
(35:39):
well.
Is this what people will say toeach other that they would
never say to each other in thereal world?
They'll go say it on theInternet.
They start stuff.
You know when I was a highschool teacher, oh my gosh, the
stuff that the kids would telleach other things and do things
with the internet and just theloneliness of wanting to connect
(36:01):
but not knowing how to connect.
Yes, are you finding thatthere's ways to still connect
people without just doing itonline?
Or is this just the world welive in now?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's very rare, I think now, like you said, with
community, because people are soattached to the cell phone
device and to the technology,and I think it's a gift from the
curse of technology.
It definitely is man.
And yeah, I think it's harderBecause, like I said, I remember
.
Now you got me thinking.
I remember the first tie I tied.
(36:38):
I remember my dad showed me howto ride a bike.
I remember how he showed me howto tie my shoe and he told me
I'll never forget, when I wasfive years old he said you can't
go outside until you learn howto tie your shoe.
I'm tired of tying your shoe.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You got to learn to tie your shoe.
That's what Kevin did Learn totie his shoe Now, it's just
Velcro and slip-ons right.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
And Crocs, that's what the young kids they be
wearing.
Crocs, which is bad for yourfeet.
Yeah, I got a pair too.
I got them on right now.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yes, oh yeah, Crocs are from a Colorado company too,
so I'm even worse off than.
But yeah, the kids wear themeverywhere.
My grandkids all have them.
It's just, oh, yeah, it's, it's.
It's just such a differentworld, uh, that we live in.
Uh, thank you for for sharingthat, because I think it's just
(37:33):
so important that we continue totalk about relationship, we
continue to talk about family asthe things you say.
I do want to pivot back over tothe radio show now.
So, or not?
The radio?
The podcast, how did you guysget started in it?
I mean, I know you said hey,your wife said hey, this would
be something that you would begood at.
(37:54):
You're talking anyways.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Actually it was my co-host wife.
Your co-host wife, okay, yeah,yeah.
She in the background one daywith me and Dee and my brother
Darrell, was on the phone andshe I'm going to put it the PG
way, way.
But she said y'all be on thephone all day, every day,
arguing about this stuff, whydon't y'all start a show?
And I was like I said dude,what's your?
(38:21):
What I said put ronald on thephone.
She said, yeah, I should starta show.
I said ronald, that's brilliant.
I says hmm, I said and I said Isaid I saw this thing podcasted
and I'll never forget I was inthe present place.
I'm in now, but I called theguys up.
So my brother Darryl, my manDorian and my first cousin's son
(38:45):
, michael, we came together oneSaturday and we was on this
platform and it was audio.
We was just doing audio at thetime.
We did it for like 30 minutesand we sucked because we
couldn't really see each other.
You know what I'm saying.
We really couldn't see eachother, but we put it together.
(39:08):
We've been consistent doing it.
Like I said, we just kept ondoing it and, like I said, when
COVID came, that was a real gamechanger because we started
doing it via Zoom and then westarted getting energy and
synergy from one another becausewe can see one another.
It's hard to do that when youdon't see one another, so you
(39:30):
know everybody's cues.
you don't know how to think, andwhen we did, when we started
coming coming on zoom then,which started where we can start
putting it on youtube orstreaming live on youtube, that
was a game changer for us, man,and we've been watching the
podcast grow exponentially, um,since since 20, since 2021, yeah
(39:51):
, and then in 2022, we so we wasonly so get back there.
So we was on YouTube and thenwe was on what's that?
Soundcloud?
Soundcloud, pretty much, wasjust only distributed to apple,
and then I got got in touch withthis.
No, I saw this, thisadvertisement on um instagram.
(40:14):
It was this company calledpotter ties.
So, politic.
I had a talk with the peoplethere shout out to my people's
um, um, tracy and tom hazard.
Uh, I talked to them aboutpodcasting, to have a syndicated
.
They say, hey, we can have yourstuff expanded more, and I
think that was another like aregeneration of the podcast and
(40:37):
that absolutely helped us outwhere you know I'm getting some
training, getting some knack andknow how.
Like I said, I know what I wasdoing.
I'm police 24 seven.
I'm no podcasting.
So, as you can see, it doesn'tsay police, it says podcaster.
Right, and so we got some neckand know-how from them and
they've been syndicating ourstuff since 2022, when we had
(41:01):
that initial talk to them, man.
So they got us a website.
We got a website, we're lookingall professional, we're looking
all great.
We have some very interestinginterviewees on since then.
I'm just excited about thegrowth of it.
Man, I think people sometimesthink that this is something you
(41:23):
can get in, that you go and getrich right away or whatever.
No, I says, especially forthose that we ain't famous,
doesn't work that way.
We got to kind of grind alittle bit more and when you do
that, I think you appreciate itmore and I'm even appreciate.
Like I said, I was just on acall just before us on dr b and
those people found us.
(41:43):
I didn't reach out to them.
They happened, this was scrollin and it's like hey, we like
what you're doing.
So you know your, your, yourfruits of your labor will
absolutely come forth If youkeep on putting in the work.
I think sometimes people justthink cause I get asked a lot of
times it's like yo, man, I wantto start a podcast.
I was like all right, cool, areyou willing to do this, that,
(42:05):
that and the other.
That's what you do.
Aww, yeah, there's more thanbesides me just flipping on the
camera and getting on the mic.
There's all the before andafter, the prep work and the
after work.
I said we can't pay nobody todo that stuff right now.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I said well, what are they?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
You got to know what you're talking about right, yeah
, yeah, yeah, you got to knowthe subjects and all that stuff.
I said this flow that you see.
I said yes, we absolutely haveto do a pre-talk before we come
on, and things of that nature.
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
(42:44):
So I absolutely have been askeda couple of times and I just
tell people, I says it ain't forthe week.
I says I said pod fading isreal.
It's like what's pod fading?
I says when we don't hear fromyou no more, that's what pod
fading is.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Nine episodes, you're gone.
You faded out the picture.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I said that that's it .
It's 1%.
Yeah, I said 1%.
Yeah, dr B, I don't know aboutyou, but I don't have no
producers yet.
Well, I have one, my man D, hisson, but he'll be back with us.
Shout out to Dorian Jr, but Idon't have a machine behind me
to get the mic prepped, do thelighting and all that stuff.
As you can see, I had to get myown light for today.
(43:29):
See, I had to get my own lightfor today.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, I mean, if you're starting a podcast, I
believe everybody should start apodcast, because who would
allow you to become?
But if you're getting into itbecause you're ready to make
money at it, you're getting init for the wrong reasons.
You got to get into it becauseof the love of what it is that
you're talking about and whatyou're doing, and then it has
the ability to create you someincome.
(43:54):
Uh, depending on how muchbetter you get at it.
And that's up to you is howmuch time you're going to spend
on it and how and how goodyou're going to get at, because
you, you know, in many cases yougot to solve a problem that
somebody else has.
Yes, if you just get in thereand talk about yourself, you can
forget it.
If you're trying to beinteresting, then forget it.
(44:14):
You need to be interested where.
You need to be interested inwhat other people want, and then
it might be something you wanttoo, and then you talk about it
because people are interested insports, right.
But if you just get up therebecause you want to just talk
about yourself, if you want to,hey, I want to tell you that I
got up this morning and I cookedmyself some breakfast.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
I don't care about that stuff, dr B.
Now they might during thesports story and we do that
often with us there might besome correlating thing where
it's funny and it goes alongwith it.
Yes, absolutely.
But nobody cares that I had aChick-fil-A biscuit this morning
.
They don't care.
They might care if it'ssomebody famous on ESPN or
(44:59):
whatever the case may be, butthey don't care about me and I
love that.
You said that For all youpodcasters out there.
You got to be, whatever yourgenre is, you got to be there to
solve somebody's problem.
That's what you're there for.
I learned that not in year one,not two, three, probably year
four.
I said, oh OK, I got you.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It is.
I mean that that is that's whatbusiness is all about.
Right, If you get good at that,then you'll be monetized.
If you're just getting in thereto just talk, just be, and when
you get started Kevin even saidthis we all suck because we
haven't done this before.
It's something we don't knowhow to do.
You have to go through, and ifyou only do 10 episodes, if
(45:45):
you're going to start to podcast, you have to just say to
yourself I'm going to do thisamount 20 to 25 episodes before
you can ever evaluate whetherit's something you want to
continue doing, even doing more,because you're not going to be
good at first and you're notgoing to be instant success and
you're not going to have allthese listeners that are going
(46:07):
to just immediately jump to it.
You might have 10 people.
You might just be your mom andyour grandpa and whoever else
might listen to your show atfirst, but there is so much
reward in you getting to be abetter person.
I mean you started in 2018.
You guys are still going.
You guys probably love eachother more.
(46:29):
You have a camaraderie.
You know all these things.
What is, would you say, thebiggest evolution of your
podcast has been from.
You know one, I guess you wentinto video.
But beyond just moving fromsound to video, audio to video,
what are some of the otherevolutions?
As we're, you know, really kindof helping people right now,
think about podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
I think, I think around the like I said, around
the 2022 time, when we, when wewe got with Podetize and really
understood the business aspect.
Those folks at Podetize, like Isaid, tracy and Tom Hazard,
they absolutely taught me thebusiness on how this works.
You know, you know for allthose out there, you understand
(47:09):
seo, um, keyword search, allthat stuff matters if you want
to get discovered because, likeI said, you ain't famous and and
like you said that to be, yougot to help solve the problem
and it's up to you as the youknow, the, the podcaster, to
make sure that you solve thatproblem.
(47:31):
But get back to your originalpoint.
I think that was the turningthing Because, like I said, I
didn't know what I was doing.
I really didn't know what Ithought I was doing.
So, yo, we on Apple, because Iwas shouting it out.
Yo, we on Apple, Okay, you onApple and what else?
Yo, we on Apple, okay, you onApple and what else?
And now, you know, thankful tothem, man, we're on Apple,
(47:54):
sirius, we're on iHeart, all themajor platforms.
I can proudly say that today,and that gives you more reach,
that gives you more visibilityand, you know, gives you where
(48:15):
people can absolutely come findyou.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
But I was just happy that we was on Apple and
SoundCloud back in 2018.
I got to ask you this becauseit's one of the things that I
talk about a lot is personaldevelopment and becoming that
person and being able to work onmyself and work on, you know.
You know education andentertainment.
I got to spend this much timeof my life, you know, educating
(48:37):
me, learning me, learning how tospeak a better vocabulary.
What are some of the thingsthat you've worked on since you
know 2018 that have made youbetter at your craft of being a
podcast host?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
I'm not going to lie, some of the things that my
policing space has granted methe ability to speak public
speaking.
I was sent to go to instructorschool.
I could do a little publicspeaking or whatever before,
like I said, the church that mymother used to drag us to, we
(49:13):
used to have to get up and givescripture showers and kind of
give a sermon ourselves.
So I was no stranger to publicspeaking, so that never really
made me afraid of anything.
But I the the instructor, beingan instructor, that absolutely
helped me out because you knowI'm, I'm teaching people, I'm
(49:34):
talking to people and and thoughI didn't sign up for it, so to
speak, that absolutely hashelped me tremendously on the
podcasting thing and and if you,and even if you're not a good
um speaker, there's places whereyou can go get public speaking,
things of that nature.
And I'm always reading books onhow to better myself.
(49:56):
It's funny.
You said that I'm just readingthis book.
I forgot the gentleman's name,but it's talking about emotional
intelligence.
Okay, and how God, I can'tforget the name, but it's a
phenomenal book and emotionalintelligence, okay, how, uh, I
can't forget the name, but it'sa phenomenal book and emotional
intelligence.
It absolutely helps you out tokeep your your emotion in check
(50:16):
and how to articulate stuff whenyou're upset.
Right, you know emotions highintelligence low yeah yeah, yeah
, yes, it does you know, theguy's basic book was basically
showing you how to cuss peopleout and and in a way where you
can get your point across, butyou can do it in an intelligent
(50:39):
matter, yeah, and not come off.
As you know, you're the angryblack man, or you know,
sometimes I've been called theangry new Yorker and that's fine
or whatever, but I absolutelyand I know that I needed that, I
absolutely know that I neededthis, so I said so, let me just
go get this book.
I'm an avid reader, I like toread, self-help, get better
(51:00):
books and those things.
So, yeah, I think thatabsolutely helped me.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Oh, good, good, good, good yeah.
One of the things thatabsolutely helped me Good, good,
good, good yeah.
One of the things that you knowI can see with your prep and
everything that you guys have todo before you show.
It's not like the barbershopwhere you can just go, make up a
whole bunch of facts and thenargue about the stuff you just
made up because people areprobably checking you on it and
that kind of stuff.
One of the things that I tendto talk about a lot is if you
(51:29):
are in a space where you're notcreating the success that you,
that you have, maybe some of thethings, maybe, if you're like a
sports fanatic you know, like,like you, you guys have to be in
order to do your podcast maybeyou should cut down on some of
it and work on yourself.
What would you say?
Or at least have a balancewhere I know, you know I tell
(51:54):
people sometimes that I'mtalking to you know more about
LeBron or more about MichaelJordan or more about Patrick
Mahomes than you know about whatyour kids are doing or what's
going on in your community.
What would you say to that?
I mean, cause I, I, I enjoyentertainment and I.
What would you say to that?
(52:17):
I mean because I enjoyentertainment and I, and, but I
some.
I think some people have it asa distraction sometimes to take
away from their lives, and Icould see where you know I, like
I said, I love athletics, I wasan athlete and I competed at a
high level, but at the same time, sometimes I think it takes
away from people's lives.
What's your, do you have anythoughts on that, or is it?
Speaker 1 (52:31):
When you say take away from people's lives,
meaning that they're just notfocused on any other stuff of
their life.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah.
So so I'll have people that sayI, you know that they'll say
that my marriage is bad, I'm notmaking any money.
I, you know, I wish my lifecould be better, I would have
more success.
But then they'll tell you everyeverything that happened in all
the basketball games, all thethings that happened in all the
football games.
I'll tell you all the thingsthat you know are happening when
they're sitting at the bar andtheir life's falling apart.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I got you now, dr B, all right, so let me, let me go.
Let me go at this.
There's such a thing in lifecalled balance man.
You got to have balance man.
So if your marriage is jackedup and you're not trying to get
better but you know the score ofthe Denver Nuggets game, shame
on you.
And not knowing what's going onwith your wife or what's going
on with your man or your husbandyes, I say it all the time
(53:27):
Work-life balance, balance life,whatever it is.
Because it can go the other wayaround too, like, okay, you're
so enthralled with the marriageand stuff like that, you don't
see anything else.
Yeah, so you need a happymedium and I absolutely you know
(53:48):
I try to pride myself on that.
You know, if I'm getting tothis, to that, you know I want
to make sure I'm having somekind of medium and some balance
when it comes to that.
So, yeah, you can't know whatJokic got last night and the
baby's somewhere.
And your wife is mad at you.
(54:09):
No, you can't.
You know you mad because Murrayonly got 20 minutes of playing
and he not passing the ball toJokic.
That's dumb, that's just notgood.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
If the game's two and a half hours, then watch your
show, and then you'll learn itall.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Right right, right, right right.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
What didn't we talk about that you want to make sure
?
I mean, I want to know how toget to your podcast, I want to
know how to get to your websiteand stuff.
But what did we not talk aboutthat you wanted to make sure
that we talked about today.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
I think we talked about everything that you know.
We said that we was going to do.
This was very, very interestingFor all those.
We're on all social mediaplatforms, from Twitter well,
excuse me X, facebook, instagram, you name it we're on it.
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(55:04):
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You just give us a look onthere.
You'll have all our nice smileybios on there.
Also, you can see our contenton there.
You can see some blog postsAlso, make sure you subscribe.
You can get a newsletter everyweek.
You know what I'm saying.
So we give you some value withthat.
And, yeah, that's how you canfind us.
You know we're just six guys onthere.
(55:25):
We talk about sports.
We have passion for sports andif you really want to know some
sports without all the otherstuff and all the hot takes,
come holler at the SportsChasers podcast and we'll be
happy to have you aboard, man.
So I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, and I'm sure I can't wait to go watch it and
get my sports fix in a quickeramount of time, and then we can
talk about the Broncos or the.
You know, I guess my roommatein college played for Kansas
City.
His name was Christian McCoy,so he played.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Really Wow.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
And so we get to talk a lot.
So I have probably moreconversations about the Chiefs
than I do about the Broncos atthis point.
But you know he's a godfatherof my kids and stuff.
But it's just been amazing tobe part of the sports world,
that I can I coach, track, I dostuff, and you know, around the
city and the town with youth butat the same time, like you said
(56:24):
, that work life balance thatallows us to do, like you said,
that work-life balance thatallows us to do, and so I
appreciate you coming on to thisshow and showing us what it
looks like to be successful, notonly in what you do for a
career, but being successful inyour life as well, successful in
your relationships, successfulin your podcast.
(56:45):
It takes work and it's evidentthat you've been willing to
spend the time and the work tomake it happen, and so it's been
a blessing for me to be able tohave you on the show.
Thank you so much.
Same thing that he's saying Goahead and hit the subscribe
button, the notification buttonand the thumbs up and all those
things If you're looking forsome really cool content of
(57:06):
folks that are doing stuff thatare in your community in many
cases that look like you, thathave showed you the way they're
doing.
If you want to get intopodcasts, you can contact either
of us and we'll kind of showyou what, what the ropes are
that you have to do.
But be willing to put in somework, my friend.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
It's not for the faint of heart.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
It is definitely not from the faint of heart, but it
is so rewarding and somethingthat you will probably enjoy
doing.
So don't forget your God'sgreatest gift he loves you.
If you allow him to, We'll lookforward to talking to you in
the next one.
Have an amazing, awesome justincredible day today.
We'll talk to you soon.
You have to have some other things going on.
(00:01):
You have to have some faith.
You have to absolutely havesome support from your family.
I says, when you get this job,you need to have something else
to do.
You have to have some otherfriends to hang out besides this
.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, welcome to another edition of the Journey
to Freedom podcast.
I'm Dr B, I'm your host todayand just incredibly excited and
I know you guys probably getsick of me after 150 episodes of
saying I'm excited about thisnext guest but I am, I truly am.
I truly love to be able to sitdown and talk with individuals,
(00:53):
especially, you know, as westarted Journey to Freedom, it
is a podcast for Black men, andwhen you get to sit down with
Black men who are doing thething, who are doing what they
were put on this earth to do,that are living in purpose, that
are excited about beingsuccessful or excited about
their futures, so many times Ican remember, you know, talking
(01:13):
to folks and they just they hadno hope.
You know, I took a.
You know, Kevin, I took a groupof black men down to Alabama
back at the end of January andwe I call it a victory, civil
rights victory tour, because wekind of where we're stuck and
we're trying to figure out, okay, where did we come from and
then where do we be?
You know, where are we able toend up and can move forward from
(01:34):
right now.
And sometimes, you know, I don'tknow where you're from.
But I know, in Alabama I almostfeel like I'm still in 1970
when I go there, when I go toBirmingham, and I'm sitting down
and I ask a waiter, you knowhow much are you making per hour
?
Are you willing to share withme?
And he tells me I'm making $2and 15 cents an hour as a waiter
.
And I'm like also like, areyour checks?
(01:56):
I mean, you get a lot of tips,Are you able to make you know, a
thousand dollars a month oranything?
It's like no, I'm usually under$500 a month or anything.
It's like no, I'm usually under500 a month.
But I'm like, how does somebodysurvive?
Because I know, I know a loafof bread doesn't cost 25 cents
in alabama anymore.
Right, I know it's, you knowwhatever it is.
I think 3.99 exactly you know agallon of gas isn't 28 cents,
(02:18):
you know it's, it's three orfour dollars.
Like, how do you get back andforth?
And when I think about that andI go, OK, so I take this group
of men because we want to findout.
You know the Bryan StevensonMuseum and we're going to the
Pettus Bridge and we're at the16th Street Baptist Church.
But more important in that tripis OK, this is where you're at,
(02:39):
when do you want to be and howare you going to get there?
And so it gets so exciting whenyou know, because my life now
is resolved around helpingpeople become the person they
need to be in order to do thething that they were put on the
surface.
And I think that's what successis.
When I, when I'm trying todefine success, it's not about
the amount of money that youmake or the amount of fame that
(03:00):
you have Although those are goodindicators that you're doing
pretty good at what you'resupposed to do but it's more
about are you living in thatpurpose?
Are you serving others well?
Are you getting up every dayexcited about the next day
coming?
Are you a pillar in yourcommunity?
Are you serving?
You know?
Those things seem to be soimportant as to who is
(03:20):
successful, and so being able todraw that out and thinking now,
you know, for me, podcasting iswhat I love, what I, you know,
I get up every morning and say Iget to do another podcast today
.
You know I'm teaching, podcastcoaching and that kind of stuff.
And then to hear you is doingsome of the same things as you
know, having a show and doing,you know, and being able to
(03:41):
communicate with others in a waythat makes their life better in
some way or another, is just socool.
And so I've asked Kevin to tella story, like I do all of our
guests, so we get to know him alittle bit and then we'll chop
it up after the things that he'sdoing now and the things that
you know and how he interactswith his identity, and you know
(04:02):
how that shaped his life.
And so thank you for being on,thank you for being willing to
spend a little bit of time withus and talk about the things
that you're doing, and the flooris yours, sir.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Dr B pleasure.
Thank you for allowing me andhaving me here on the journey to
freedom, man, it's.
I appreciate you.
I appreciate the work thatyou're doing and, hey, helping
people figure out their life'sjourney, and I think that's so
important.
I think that you have anincredible job and kudos to you
for doing what you're doing, man.
(04:32):
So I definitely appreciate that.
So I'll just start off with mystory, definitely my story.
A kid from Brooklyn, new York,growing up in the 80s and in the
90s, and one to two parents mom, she worked for the telephone
company for 30 years.
My old man, he's a retiredhomicide detective with the NYPD
(04:55):
, and so household to me, mybrother and my sister.
And I was the middle kid.
So, and growing up I likedsports.
So you know I enjoyed allsports, played all sports,
played baseball, hockey,baseball I said baseball already
basketball, football, even onthe baseball and football team
(05:19):
at my local high school inBrooklyn, man, so I enjoyed it,
I loved it.
School in brooklyn, man, so Ienjoyed it, I loved it, um, and
sports has always been a, a, avehicle for for me, so to speak.
You know, been in the boys andleagues, um, pal things of that
(05:41):
nature, and, of course, I had afather who's the police, as the
kids say, um, you know that alsotoo was some you know some
structure and some you know somethings of how it's made me
today and I'm very appreciativeof that of him and my mother and
their values of coming up, andsome of those things have
absolutely instilled in me tothis day their work ethic, um,
(06:05):
how they went about things andhow they they are still healthy,
they're still with us, um, intheir 80s and living amazing and
have you know, they just stillhave their great health, which
I'm very thankful for becausethey figured it out at a younger
age.
Hey, to stay around, stayaround here for a long time, I
need to be healthy, make betterchoices, be fit, be moving
(06:28):
around.
So I'm appreciative of that,what they have taught me as well
, and my other siblings.
So, like I said, growing up, itwas fun growing up in Brooklyn,
and I grew up in, like I said,in the 80s and 90s, in the crack
era up there.
And I grew up in, like I said,in the 80s and 90s, in the crack
era up there.
Thankful to God that you know,I was able not to be steered in
(06:49):
the wrong direction but yet inthe right direction, and I had a
lot of you know people aroundsupporting us.
You know, takes a village.
That's definitely true.
It does absolutely take avillage and I think it even
takes a village even more now,today.
So I say all to say this like Isaid, my mother and my father's
work ethic, you know what theytaught me, what they instilled
(07:10):
me.
Um, yes, with the church,mother used to drag me and my
brother, my baby brother, tochurch and some of that stuff is
absolutely has instilled it tome.
Faith is definitely veryimportant.
So, so, as I say this, so we dothis I've grown up and tell you
(07:30):
that my old man he's the police.
So guess what happens to me?
I'm the police now.
So I've been a law enforcementfor the last 22 years, not in
New York.
I moved, actually, to Charlotte, north Carolina, back in 2021.
Yeah, 2021, where I was acorrectional officer for the
(07:52):
sheriff's office in Charlotteand then I became a sworn deputy
sheriff and then I did that forabout almost 13, 14 years and I
moved to South Florida whereI'm currently working in South
Florida as a, as a detective now.
And, um, just when you weresaying that, brian, about your,
about people in their journeyand how they, how those things
(08:16):
work, and some of the thingsthat you were saying, absolutely
I absolutely been involved inuh, big Little Brother, helping
kids out Back in 2009, me andone of my homeboys who I grew up
with in Brooklyn.
He worked for another agencyand we took 11 kids that never
(08:39):
left the county of Mecklenburgup to Washington DC on a visit
to see all the stuff in DC and,like I said, some of those kids
never ever left the county andwe was able to do that through
the PAL program that I was apart of Excuse me, and it was
(09:04):
probably another thing.
I can't think of it right now,but, um, that was very, that was
very cool to to help help themout, and I think two of the kids
are absolutely still keep intouch with them to this day back
in 2009.
Some, unfortunately.
You know we try to instill someof those good values, but you
know, some some sometimes peoplefall by the wayside.
It's just what it is so fast.
(09:33):
Forwarding back to what I'mdoing today um, there's been a
lot of things about policing inthe last, I say, 10 years.
Um, police are not the mostwell-liked people and just to
kind of one of my co-hosts onthe show, he always, always used
to say he said, kev, you shouldtalk about what you do.
I said no, I really don't wantto intermingle the two.
I just don't.
I just really don't.
I said professionally-wise, Ijust don't.
(09:55):
But he said you should too,because it absolutely humanizes
you and lets people know thatyou know there's other sides to
you than just being a policeofficer.
Like you're a dude that lovessports, and not only do you love
sports.
The podcast is successful.
We've been rocking.
We've been doing this thingsince 2018.
And it just humanizes you, andI think it does.
(10:21):
So guess what my brother doestoo.
He's a cop also.
Oh, wow, it does.
So, my.
So guess what my brother doestoo.
He's a cop also, oh, wow.
So we have made it the familybusiness, I guess.
And, um, like I said, my old man, he's retired.
He's been retired for since thelongest, since the early 90s,
and um, yeah, so I guess that's,that's my story and my, like I
(10:43):
said, my co-host shout out to myman, dorian.
He always says he said I'm soproud of you guys Because, like
I said, we grew up together.
And he says, yeah, you shouldabsolutely sometimes shout that
out, and I do so down here inSouth Florida.
Like I said, I'm a detectiveand I still do some of those big
(11:03):
brother, little brother things.
They had like a 500.
What's that 500 kids role model?
They just did that last weekthat I'm a part of and, yeah,
man, I'm just, like you said,early in your thing.
People in the community shouldbe a pillar of the community.
Who can you help out?
Who can you?
(11:23):
People in the community shouldbe a pillar of the community.
Who can you help out?
Who can you.
It's just not you just going tothe top, it's about helping
someone along also.
So that's pretty much my story.
I'm getting I don't know whatelse to add, but that's just my
story.
But the whole journey and how,and I'll tell you this about the
(11:45):
podcasting thing.
So the podcasting thingabsolutely, like I said, it was
a passion of mine to do, to talkabout sports.
My co-host, his wife, said oneday she said you guys argue so
much on the phone.
I said have a show.
I was like wait a minute,rhonda, that is brilliant.
(12:05):
I says we're going to do thatand that's what we did in 2018.
I know what we was doing.
I just started.
It had a laptop and I had amicrophone and I had some
headphones and that's all I knewhow to do back in 2018.
Thank God for some networkingand connecting with people.
That's pointing in the rightdirection, where you know we're.
(12:26):
We're making some headway in inthe sports genre of the
podcasting land and I and I justlike it for the fact that
podcasting does what it givespeople other than how can I say
it's more important people aplatform to say something, um,
which is what I love.
I love the content creators onYouTube.
Yes, it may seem like the WildWild West, but you got to pick
(12:49):
and choose.
Who do you listen to?
It's just like anything elsefood right.
Either you're going to go toMcDonald's every day or you're
going to go to the produce aisleat Publix or whatever
supermarket shopping that you goto.
So it's a choice.
So that's why I love thecontent creation space.
I'm not relegated to just thelegacy networks, and there's
(13:10):
some people out here in thecontent creation space who don't
have the backings of thesebigger media corporations.
They're absolutely doing awonderful job of whatever
they're doing and I watch them,and I absolutely watch them and
support them.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So that's my story, man.
No, thank you, and thank youfor sharing and and I'm gonna
ask you a couple questions here.
But I definitely want to getback into the podcasting thing
because that's you know, one ofthe things I'm doing is coaching
, podcasting.
Now I believe everybody,everybody could have a podcast
uh it is the new frontier andyou know, I think people believe
(13:47):
.
Well, it used to be like TV andradio where it had to be who
you knew and who you could getwith and how much money you had
to be able to do it.
And there's so much great,incredible content out there.
That is, you know, for you guys.
Are you guys doing local sportsor are you doing nationwide
sports?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Man we cover it all.
Man we cover it all.
I actually just got off a callwith a gentleman in England
about collaborating with themdoing some soccer stuff.
He found us.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Love it.
Do you know a lot aboutfootball?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
No, so one of the things that we do on here, that
that we kind of brainstorm anddo it.
I don't know everything, no, Iwas.
So my sports is I.
I know very much as baseball,football, basketball.
I know hockey a little bit.
But guess what I did?
We did I should say, excuse me.
I got my one of my dudes who Iused to work with.
(14:42):
He's an avid hockey dude andthat's what we call him, the
hockey dude, so he joins theshow as a hockey dude, so we
cover every anything.
So if I need a soccer person, Igot two people who I reach out
to for soccer.
Um nascar, because I lived incharlotte for a little bit.
I know some people up there,that'll.
You know.
Anything high comes up onNASCAR, I contact them.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Nice, nice.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And sometimes it's just not a how can I say a
famous face, somebody who'spassionate about it, who really
knows what it was, and it givesthem, it empowers them, to be
like yo man.
I'm the expert too.
I'm on somebody's platformtalking about something that I
know and that is so fulfillingto people and to see that in
their families.
(15:26):
So I that's just one of thethings that we do.
Like I said, I don't knoweverything, but I'll seek and
find who does, and I thinkthat's one of the formulas
that's working for us.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I love it.
Well, I want to jump backwardsa little bit, because you know
your story is is one that is,you know, not like not, not not
like other folks are.
I mean, some folks have prettysimilar stories, but what
happens is our identity, youknow.
You know when we think aboutidentity and who we are, who we
(16:02):
believe we are, and able to movethrough.
How was your, I mean, excitedthat you had two parents, and
you know we have both sides ofit.
But you came out saying this myidentity is going to be, you
know, that of a, of a correct,you know, a policeman, and then
that that kind of probablyshaped a little bit about who
you are, but that somethingallowed you to move forward in
(16:24):
that and be successful at it.
Because I know a lot of folksthat are police officers have
been there a long time and theydon't move up the ranks, they
don't move into detective.
They don't move into detective,they don't move.
You know, and, uh, you knowsome that like it, some that
don't like it.
I know for, uh, I want to thankyou for your service because
it's got to be incredibly hard.
I know, here in aurora,colorado, we had when, um, uh
(16:45):
chief metz.
You know black um uh chief thatcame from seattle was our chief
of.
You know.
They hired him as our chief ofpolice and then he created a
group of like a community groupthat I was part of and we got to
go there was like 15 of us thatwe got to meet with him, but
then, shortly after he was here,elijah McClain happened and so
(17:06):
the whole world goes upside down.
You know, based on officers,that he had nothing to do with
hiring.
Nothing to do with it came upbut of course he's the one
that's taking you know what didthese guys do?
So, maybe, as your identitygoes, what has it been like to
(17:26):
keep an identity that's strong,as we have a nation that's
decided that you guys are thebad guys, which you're
absolutely not?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I think for me and I can only speak for me.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
How you keep an identity.
I think you have to havesomething else more to do than
just go do the job and that's it.
I also teach a wellness classto all the rookies that come in
and I tell them.
I says, when you get this job,you need to have something else
to do.
You have to have some otherfriends to hang out besides this
(18:06):
.
I says, because this can be alot and I've always been I can
truly say I've never been theguy like if you meet me in the
street you probably will say,hey, that guy's, I've been
called man, you look like ahedge fund guy.
When I saw somebody I neverthought you was a police officer
(18:27):
because of the way I wasdressed.
So I was like I appreciate that, but yeah, I don't want the
identity.
I was like I appreciate that,but yeah, I don't want the
identity.
I think a lot of times sometimesyou know some guys that get
consumed with it and getconsumed of who they are as a
police officer.
And me I just I treat it as ajob and I love what I do.
Sometimes I have some good days, sometimes I don't have some
(18:50):
good days.
It just, it just depends andthat's just what it is, and it
comes with a job.
Like you, as I don't have somegood days, it just depends.
And that's just what it is, andit comes with a job and, like
you said, it's an incredible jobthat has a lot of power to it,
and the right person has to beable to do the job.
And one of the things I teachtoo when people come in here,
who's not about it, who becomesunfaithful to it, it becomes
(19:10):
absolutely a problem for therest of us, who's absolutely out
here doing the right thing.
And so, to get back to youroriginal question, Dr B, I just
think that you have to have someother things going on.
You have to have some faith,you have to absolutely have some
support from your family andyou know just to.
(19:34):
And I think this, and I saythis I said I teach wellness
right, and you absolutelyprobably need to go talk to
somebody once a week and I'm nottalking about your homeboy
either Somebody professionally,somebody clinically.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And I'm for real because we see a lot of.
I've seen a lot of stuff and Iabsolutely probably should be
somewhere.
You know I'm for real becausewe see a lot of I've seen a lot
of stuff and I absolutelyprobably should be somewhere.
But I go talk to somebody.
I've been through a lot ofstuff.
I've been in a couple caraccidents that probably could
have took my life, things ofthat nature and police officers
they see a lot of stuff, a lotof trauma, and so I recommend
(20:16):
you should go see somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Well, and I'm glad you I'm glad you said that,
because there's so many of usthat believe we got this.
I don't need any help, I don'tneed you know, but that's
absolutely so far from the truthis you know, god put us on this
planet to be in relationshipand he put us in a healthy
relationship and when we takethat away, you know, and I don't
(20:39):
know what like divorce rate isfor you know officers, but I
imagine it's pretty high andprobably within the black
families, even higher.
You know, as a result of whatyou're saying is not checking
your wellness and making surethat you're okay and having
those conversations because wealmost have to distract
(21:02):
ourselves, sometimes no matterwhat part, and you're just in
that high-stress profession thatcan be very rewarding but can
take a lot away from you, I'msure.
At the same time, how did you?
Because you had your dad as apolice officer and we think
about trust and how important itis to trust the people you're
(21:24):
around, probably even more so ashaving a partner or having
people that have your back howdid you develop your sense of
trust?
Do you just automatically trustpeople because you give them
the benefit of the doubt first?
Do they have to earn your trustin some way?
Is there some kind ofcombination?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think for me.
I'm very cynical, so I have tofight against that.
I'm just being honest.
I absolutely have to fightagainst that because, like I
said, I've seen a lot andsometimes to see what other
human beings do to other humanbeings, it absolutely takes its
toll.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So I absolutely have to check myself, make sure I try
to get people the benefit ofthe doubt and um, you know, but
you know I still got my eye onyou, but um, I've got you, I'm
looking at you, I'm making sure,oh my gosh, you do that, which
is important because trust issuch a a big um thing that if we
(22:26):
, we don't, we don't have that,uh, and we just we're trying to
walk through without we can'tfind anybody to trust right
right be a lonely a a lonelyexistence.
And yeah, has faith played apart?
I mean, I think you brought upthe word faith, but maybe kind
of talk about Faith isabsolutely boiling apart.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think you, you absolutely saw, I believe in God
, believe in Jesus, I'll go tochurch and all that stuff.
Like I said, my mother, sheliterally used to drag me there
to church.
Yeah, mom, when you see this,um, I love you.
But, um, yeah, we were inchurch.
We was in church all the time,man, you know what I'm saying
(23:08):
and um, but now I absolutelylearned, dr b, I learned a lot
of foundational stuff in churchfrom my pastor at the time and
though you know you wouldn'tthink that you was listening or
anything like that, it justabsolutely carried me to where
I'm at now and you absolutelyneed to believe that there's
(23:30):
someone or something or a higherbeing that can help and sustain
you, even when you know there'snothing around, there's nobody
to look to.
You know who do you pray to,who do you liken to?
Just you know, come in whennobody else is around, and I
(23:50):
think faith is definitelyimportant and I absolutely do a
lot of praying.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's so cool?
Do you find that it's, you know, being a person of faith.
Is it easier to be an officerwhen you have that and you know
there's a higher power thanmaybe some of your colleagues
that don't have that same?
You know faith and belief.
You know as you go through yourdaily you know faith and belief
(24:17):
.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You know, as you go through your daily,
unfortunately I'll just go downto the path of suicide, man, how
you know where, like I said,you know, officers see a lot of
stuff, man, and they can'thandle it, man, and then that's
the ultimate you know thing thatthey do which is so unfortunate
, unfortunately, and where youknow they could have got some
help.
But you know, ultimately, man,man, just you know, god, what
(24:41):
can, what can, what can you doto help me out?
What's what's going?
How can I, I can deal with this, and that's just such a, that's
such a thing, man.
So I think with um, such athing, man, so I think with
Faith, I don't know how they doit, I just I'm just being honest
.
It's just because there'ssometimes, you know you'd be
(25:02):
like God, and there's sometimesat work, you know, like man,
that's again, you know yourviewers are seeing this.
If you haven't really talked toa police officer, go talk to
your local police officer, man,especially that's one that's
been on the gig and you knowthey absolutely have seen a lot.
If you would see a lot of stuff, you absolutely it would do
(25:24):
something to you and you got tohave some inner faith.
You got to have something tosustain you.
That's my belief, that's mygoal, and I'm thankful for what
my mother had did while when wewas younger, of instilling that
into us and making sure that weknow who what name to call.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So that's so cool well, and you know I struggle
with this stuff I've seen, Ihaven't seen very much, you know
and not and saying god, you arereal right right, right right
doing your job and not saying,oh my god, what is this for?
what is it?
This is all about, um, one ofthe things you attributed to
your sex, your, your success, uhis that you have support of
(26:09):
your family.
Maybe talk a little bit likethey played.
Your family played a part inhelping you, not only in the
success of your job, but thesuccess of all the other things
that you do, being able tosupport you in all the ways they
have.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Maybe talk about that just a little bit, I would just
say, from when we was younger.
So my father's side of thefamily, they it's, it's, it's a
bunch of us, it's a bunch ofthem, and um, we just basically
just made a little community manand, and we just made sure we
just supported everybody andanything that they had going on.
(26:48):
And that's just what the that'sjust what the name of the game
was.
And support could come in a lotof things.
Support can be just showing up,support could be a phone call,
support could be monetarily orwhatever, whatever that you need
to help.
I think you know the village,the whole village thing.
I don't think that's thereanymore.
(27:13):
To be honest, I think we havegotten away from the village.
I think people have absolutelygotten to their own little
cocoons and you know the village.
You know you don't have to bealone, but I think people are
now choosing to be alone.
But I absolutely attest mysuccess of family and community,
and not so much your family.
(27:35):
I call them family.
I've been knowing since I'vebeen six years old that we're
still cool to this day andthey're like family to me and
I'm family to them, and I justthink that's just important,
that you don't have to gothrough things alone, but
sometimes people think they arealone.
But you don't have to gothrough things alone.
But sometimes people think theyare alone, but you don't have
(27:56):
to be alone.
But you got to sometimes do thereaching out too.
That's what I find out withpeople.
They're hesitant to reach outand you never know until you do.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Are you married?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, what does it mean to you to be?
I can tell you're probably anamazing husband.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I try to be.
I try to be.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You can watch this too right in your profession and
the things that you bring home,and to still care for another
human being and be able tosupport them and to be able for
them to support you and to be anexample in the community.
You know there's so many in ourcommunity who aren't and we you
(28:48):
know we have this.
You know I do a podcast onSunday nights.
It's called why Love Waits, andthe statistic in our community
is that 50% of Black women thatare over the age of 40 are not
married and out of that, 75% ofthem have children.
(29:10):
And so we've decided as mensomehow that we don't need to be
married, or women have decidedthat they don't need to be
married, and we've taken awaythe family unit out of our
culture.
And to me it doesn't matter ifyou have a diverse marriage, but
your marriage.
You're promoting what marriageis and we've kind of gotten away
(29:32):
from that, and part of it is wetook men out of families and
all the things that havehappened through the last 200
years or whatever 400 years.
But you know, for somebody whois married and who is is working
through it and has a verystressful profession, maybe you
can talk to us a little bitabout.
What does it mean to supportsomebody else?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Um, I think that comes with, you know, because,
like I said, there'll be somedays you won't have good days
and there'll be some days thatyou have bad days.
Your partner just has tounderstand who you are, what you
are, and like really reallygetting to know it.
I think sometimes and yes,that's might not what you signed
(30:15):
up for, but it's just what itis, and you know you might need
to just get some support and umand think of other people.
So my wife she probably youknow, I don't know this, but she
does a good job of it, butmaybe she goes to my mother
she's been married to a policeofficer for the longest, so
almost 50 years so how do I dothis?
(30:39):
so, um, but now she's cool.
She absolutely does a great jobof making sure that I'm not
stressed, um, anything thatneeds to be handled.
Um, you know she can wait untilI get home or whatever.
Not so much now.
It's a little bit moreslow-paced, being that I'm in a
(30:59):
suit.
Now I'm not in a uniform oranything like that, but when I
was in uniform, yeah, sometimesI couldn't be talking or
whatever the case may be,because I'm dealing with
something, the aspect of cominghome to a person, I think they
just got to know, they just gotto know when to be, you know,
(31:24):
not approachable, but they justgot to know.
They just got to catch thatfeeling of what that person is.
Is might have been goingthrough kind of gauge, hey, let
me see, did he have a good day?
Or he or she have a good day?
Right?
Because you know there's women,that's, police officers who do
an outstanding job, whoabsolutely you know the other
side.
You know the man.
They come home to the guy andthey're like you know how was
(31:45):
your day, or whatever.
Because you know my world isdefinitely different than my
wife's world, what she does andand I always say, I say you,
would you live in a differentworld for your whatever hours
you work.
In my 10 hours that I work, um,my work could be bedlam, it
could be fires, unfortunately.
(32:06):
You know people laid out in thestreet, shootings, things of
that nature, uh, babies drowning, you know all the stuff that
causes trauma, now.
So, but I just think thatperson just needs to be a really
good support, a really goodcheerleader, so to speak, and to
make sure, engage how thatperson is doing and if they're
not doing well, make sure theyget them some.
(32:27):
Some help needed.
And when I say help, it come.
Help can come in all types offorms.
It can come in some kind ofstress reliever thing or, you
know, when you go to the, towhatever, there's a couple.
I've seen it before.
What is it?
It's a rage.
I don't know if they got themout there, but I've seen them
down here in South Florida.
They call them rages houseswhere you just go in and just
(32:49):
tear up stuff.
You pay some people to go tothis room and take it like a
sledgehammer and just start justtearing stuff up.
Oh my gosh, dr B, I love you,not man.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I was like wow that is, you got some really pent up
anger, in you.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, oh my gosh, I guess, whatever works, whatever
it takes, Whatever works, oh mygosh, oh my gosh, oh my Lord.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, I know you talked about big brothers and
working with the community.
Are you a dad as well?
No, I'm not a dad.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm not a dad, but I'm like a dad 2.0, according to
my niece.
Okay, shout out to my niece,kennedy, that's my brother's
daughter and, yeah, she calls medad 2.0.
But I guess I've been doingsome dad and uncle things Ever
since I can remember being inchurch and being part of Big
(33:43):
Brothers and when I was inCharlotte it was right, it was
called Right Moves for Youth,that's what I was named.
I wanted to give them the right, right moves, right moves for
youth, and, you know, makingsure that you know kids are on
the right pathway and instillingsome good values in them and
instilling simple things as howto tie a tie.
I remember the first time mygranddad showed me how to tie a
(34:04):
tie.
I'll never forget it.
I'll never forget where I wasat.
I was in his living room andhe's like hey, boy, come here.
So he showed me.
He showed me.
So you take the tie, you do itlike this, do it like this.
Look, I'm even doing it nowwith a tie string.
I'll never forget it.
And I it took me three, three,four times to do it and I
finally got.
(34:25):
I said, look, randall, I got it.
And you know, yeah, some of thefathers are not home in the
house, man, but but if aperson's available, like in
those programs which are veryimportant, you know that they'll
never forget stuff like that,absolutely Tying the tie which
to me, I still remember to thisday, like I said, where I was at
(34:45):
when me and my grandfather wasgetting ready to go to church
and he showed me a tie, tie.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, and there's so many things that for our youth
and for our folks growing upthat we used to do because we
were in community and we were inproximity.
Now we have.
If I need to learn how to tie,I just look on YouTube and you
probably could.
But there's one thing ofknowledge, of knowing things,
and there's something about theprocess of you and your
(35:15):
grandfather yes be able to be inrelationship when you did it
that youtube can't take.
Now I'm thankful for youtube.
I mean, obviously we're doingpodcasts and yeah, part of our
yeah yeah on the internet but itdoesn't substitute for being in
community with people, and Ithink we kind of lost that.
I mean, I'm assuming it's madeyour job harder as an officer as
(35:39):
well.
Is this what people will say toeach other that they would
never say to each other in thereal world?
They'll go say it on theInternet.
They start stuff.
You know when I was a highschool teacher, oh my gosh, the
stuff that the kids would telleach other things and do things
with the internet and just theloneliness of wanting to connect
(36:01):
but not knowing how to connect.
Yes, are you finding thatthere's ways to still connect
people without just doing itonline?
Or is this just the world welive in now?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's very rare, I think now, like you said, with
community, because people are soattached to the cell phone
device and to the technology,and I think it's a gift from the
curse of technology.
It definitely is man.
And yeah, I think it's harderBecause, like I said, I remember
.
Now you got me thinking.
I remember the first tie I tied.
(36:38):
I remember my dad showed me howto ride a bike.
I remember how he showed me howto tie my shoe and he told me
I'll never forget, when I wasfive years old he said you can't
go outside until you learn howto tie your shoe.
I'm tired of tying your shoe.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You got to learn to tie your shoe.
That's what Kevin did Learn totie his shoe Now, it's just
Velcro and slip-ons right.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
And Crocs, that's what the young kids they be
wearing.
Crocs, which is bad for yourfeet.
Yeah, I got a pair too.
I got them on right now.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yes, oh yeah, Crocs are from a Colorado company too,
so I'm even worse off than.
But yeah, the kids wear themeverywhere.
My grandkids all have them.
It's just, oh, yeah, it's, it's.
It's just such a differentworld, uh, that we live in.
Uh, thank you for for sharingthat, because I think it's just
(37:33):
so important that we continue totalk about relationship, we
continue to talk about family asthe things you say.
I do want to pivot back over tothe radio show now.
So, or not?
The radio?
The podcast, how did you guysget started in it?
I mean, I know you said hey,your wife said hey, this would
be something that you would begood at.
(37:54):
You're talking anyways.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Actually it was my co-host wife.
Your co-host wife, okay, yeah,yeah.
She in the background one daywith me and Dee and my brother
Darrell, was on the phone andshe I'm going to put it the PG
way, way.
But she said y'all be on thephone all day, every day,
arguing about this stuff, whydon't y'all start a show?
And I was like I said dude,what's your?
(38:21):
What I said put ronald on thephone.
She said, yeah, I should starta show.
I said ronald, that's brilliant.
I says hmm, I said and I said Isaid I saw this thing podcasted
and I'll never forget I was inthe present place.
I'm in now, but I called theguys up.
So my brother Darryl, my manDorian and my first cousin's son
(38:45):
, michael, we came together oneSaturday and we was on this
platform and it was audio.
We was just doing audio at thetime.
We did it for like 30 minutesand we sucked because we
couldn't really see each other.
You know what I'm saying.
We really couldn't see eachother, but we put it together.
(39:08):
We've been consistent doing it.
Like I said, we just kept ondoing it and, like I said, when
COVID came, that was a real gamechanger because we started
doing it via Zoom and then westarted getting energy and
synergy from one another becausewe can see one another.
It's hard to do that when youdon't see one another, so you
(39:30):
know everybody's cues.
you don't know how to think, andwhen we did, when we started
coming coming on zoom then,which started where we can start
putting it on youtube orstreaming live on youtube, that
was a game changer for us, man,and we've been watching the
podcast grow exponentially, um,since since 20, since 2021, yeah
(39:51):
, and then in 2022, we so we wasonly so get back there.
So we was on YouTube and thenwe was on what's that?
Soundcloud?
Soundcloud, pretty much, wasjust only distributed to apple,
and then I got got in touch withthis.
No, I saw this, thisadvertisement on um instagram.
(40:14):
It was this company calledpotter ties.
So, politic.
I had a talk with the peoplethere shout out to my people's
um, um, tracy and tom hazard.
Uh, I talked to them aboutpodcasting, to have a syndicated
.
They say, hey, we can have yourstuff expanded more, and I
think that was another like aregeneration of the podcast and
(40:37):
that absolutely helped us outwhere you know I'm getting some
training, getting some knack andknow how.
Like I said, I know what I wasdoing.
I'm police 24 seven.
I'm no podcasting.
So, as you can see, it doesn'tsay police, it says podcaster.
Right, and so we got some neckand know-how from them and
they've been syndicating ourstuff since 2022, when we had
(41:01):
that initial talk to them, man.
So they got us a website.
We got a website, we're lookingall professional, we're looking
all great.
We have some very interestinginterviewees on since then.
I'm just excited about thegrowth of it.
Man, I think people sometimesthink that this is something you
(41:23):
can get in, that you go and getrich right away or whatever.
No, I says, especially forthose that we ain't famous,
doesn't work that way.
We got to kind of grind alittle bit more and when you do
that, I think you appreciate itmore and I'm even appreciate.
Like I said, I was just on acall just before us on dr b and
those people found us.
(41:43):
I didn't reach out to them.
They happened, this was scrollin and it's like hey, we like
what you're doing.
So you know your, your, yourfruits of your labor will
absolutely come forth If youkeep on putting in the work.
I think sometimes people justthink cause I get asked a lot of
times it's like yo, man, I wantto start a podcast.
I was like all right, cool, areyou willing to do this, that,
(42:05):
that and the other.
That's what you do.
Aww, yeah, there's more thanbesides me just flipping on the
camera and getting on the mic.
There's all the before andafter, the prep work and the
after work.
I said we can't pay nobody todo that stuff right now.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I said well, what are they?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
You got to know what you're talking about right, yeah
, yeah, yeah, you got to knowthe subjects and all that stuff.
I said this flow that you see.
I said yes, we absolutely haveto do a pre-talk before we come
on, and things of that nature.
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
(42:44):
So I absolutely have been askeda couple of times and I just
tell people, I says it ain't forthe week.
I says I said pod fading isreal.
It's like what's pod fading?
I says when we don't hear fromyou no more, that's what pod
fading is.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Nine episodes, you're gone.
You faded out the picture.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I said that that's it .
It's 1%.
Yeah, I said 1%.
Yeah, dr B, I don't know aboutyou, but I don't have no
producers yet.
Well, I have one, my man D, hisson, but he'll be back with us.
Shout out to Dorian Jr, but Idon't have a machine behind me
to get the mic prepped, do thelighting and all that stuff.
As you can see, I had to get myown light for today.
(43:29):
See, I had to get my own lightfor today.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, I mean, if you're starting a podcast, I
believe everybody should start apodcast, because who would
allow you to become?
But if you're getting into itbecause you're ready to make
money at it, you're getting init for the wrong reasons.
You got to get into it becauseof the love of what it is that
you're talking about and whatyou're doing, and then it has
the ability to create you someincome.
(43:54):
Uh, depending on how muchbetter you get at it.
And that's up to you is howmuch time you're going to spend
on it and how and how goodyou're going to get at, because
you, you know, in many cases yougot to solve a problem that
somebody else has.
Yes, if you just get in thereand talk about yourself, you can
forget it.
If you're trying to beinteresting, then forget it.
(44:14):
You need to be interested where.
You need to be interested inwhat other people want, and then
it might be something you wanttoo, and then you talk about it
because people are interested insports, right.
But if you just get up therebecause you want to just talk
about yourself, if you want to,hey, I want to tell you that I
got up this morning and I cookedmyself some breakfast.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
I don't care about that stuff, dr B.
Now they might during thesports story and we do that
often with us there might besome correlating thing where
it's funny and it goes alongwith it.
Yes, absolutely.
But nobody cares that I had aChick-fil-A biscuit this morning
.
They don't care.
They might care if it'ssomebody famous on ESPN or
(44:59):
whatever the case may be, butthey don't care about me and I
love that.
You said that For all youpodcasters out there.
You got to be, whatever yourgenre is, you got to be there to
solve somebody's problem.
That's what you're there for.
I learned that not in year one,not two, three, probably year
four.
I said, oh OK, I got you.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It is.
I mean that that is that's whatbusiness is all about.
Right, If you get good at that,then you'll be monetized.
If you're just getting in thereto just talk, just be, and when
you get started Kevin even saidthis we all suck because we
haven't done this before.
It's something we don't knowhow to do.
You have to go through, and ifyou only do 10 episodes, if
(45:45):
you're going to start to podcast, you have to just say to
yourself I'm going to do thisamount 20 to 25 episodes before
you can ever evaluate whetherit's something you want to
continue doing, even doing more,because you're not going to be
good at first and you're notgoing to be instant success and
you're not going to have allthese listeners that are going
(46:07):
to just immediately jump to it.
You might have 10 people.
You might just be your mom andyour grandpa and whoever else
might listen to your show atfirst, but there is so much
reward in you getting to be abetter person.
I mean you started in 2018.
You guys are still going.
You guys probably love eachother more.
(46:29):
You have a camaraderie.
You know all these things.
What is, would you say, thebiggest evolution of your
podcast has been from.
You know one, I guess you wentinto video.
But beyond just moving fromsound to video, audio to video,
what are some of the otherevolutions?
As we're, you know, really kindof helping people right now,
think about podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
I think, I think around the like I said, around
the 2022 time, when we, when wewe got with Podetize and really
understood the business aspect.
Those folks at Podetize, like Isaid, tracy and Tom Hazard,
they absolutely taught me thebusiness on how this works.
You know, you know for allthose out there, you understand
(47:09):
seo, um, keyword search, allthat stuff matters if you want
to get discovered because, likeI said, you ain't famous and and
like you said that to be, yougot to help solve the problem
and it's up to you as the youknow, the, the podcaster, to
make sure that you solve thatproblem.
(47:31):
But get back to your originalpoint.
I think that was the turningthing Because, like I said, I
didn't know what I was doing.
I really didn't know what Ithought I was doing.
So, yo, we on Apple, because Iwas shouting it out.
Yo, we on Apple, Okay, you onApple and what else?
Yo, we on Apple, okay, you onApple and what else?
And now, you know, thankful tothem, man, we're on Apple,
(47:54):
sirius, we're on iHeart, all themajor platforms.
I can proudly say that today,and that gives you more reach,
that gives you more visibilityand, you know, gives you where
(48:15):
people can absolutely come findyou.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
But I was just happy that we was on Apple and
SoundCloud back in 2018.
I got to ask you this becauseit's one of the things that I
talk about a lot is personaldevelopment and becoming that
person and being able to work onmyself and work on, you know.
You know education andentertainment.
I got to spend this much timeof my life, you know, educating
(48:37):
me, learning me, learning how tospeak a better vocabulary.
What are some of the thingsthat you've worked on since you
know 2018 that have made youbetter at your craft of being a
podcast host?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
I'm not going to lie, some of the things that my
policing space has granted methe ability to speak public
speaking.
I was sent to go to instructorschool.
I could do a little publicspeaking or whatever before,
like I said, the church that mymother used to drag us to, we
(49:13):
used to have to get up and givescripture showers and kind of
give a sermon ourselves.
So I was no stranger to publicspeaking, so that never really
made me afraid of anything.
But I the the instructor, beingan instructor, that absolutely
helped me out because you knowI'm, I'm teaching people, I'm
(49:34):
talking to people and and thoughI didn't sign up for it, so to
speak, that absolutely hashelped me tremendously on the
podcasting thing and and if you,and even if you're not a good
um speaker, there's places whereyou can go get public speaking,
things of that nature.
And I'm always reading books onhow to better myself.
(49:56):
It's funny.
You said that I'm just readingthis book.
I forgot the gentleman's name,but it's talking about emotional
intelligence.
Okay, and how God, I can'tforget the name, but it's a
phenomenal book and emotionalintelligence, okay, how, uh, I
can't forget the name, but it'sa phenomenal book and emotional
intelligence.
It absolutely helps you out tokeep your your emotion in check
(50:16):
and how to articulate stuff whenyou're upset.
Right, you know emotions highintelligence low yeah yeah, yeah
, yes, it does you know, theguy's basic book was basically
showing you how to cuss peopleout and and in a way where you
can get your point across, butyou can do it in an intelligent
(50:39):
matter, yeah, and not come off.
As you know, you're the angryblack man, or you know,
sometimes I've been called theangry new Yorker and that's fine
or whatever, but I absolutelyand I know that I needed that, I
absolutely know that I neededthis, so I said so, let me just
go get this book.
I'm an avid reader, I like toread, self-help, get better
(51:00):
books and those things.
So, yeah, I think thatabsolutely helped me.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Oh, good, good, good, good yeah.
One of the things thatabsolutely helped me Good, good,
good, good yeah.
One of the things that you knowI can see with your prep and
everything that you guys have todo before you show.
It's not like the barbershopwhere you can just go, make up a
whole bunch of facts and thenargue about the stuff you just
made up because people areprobably checking you on it and
that kind of stuff.
One of the things that I tendto talk about a lot is if you
(51:29):
are in a space where you're notcreating the success that you,
that you have, maybe some of thethings, maybe, if you're like a
sports fanatic you know, like,like you, you guys have to be in
order to do your podcast maybeyou should cut down on some of
it and work on yourself.
What would you say?
Or at least have a balancewhere I know, you know I tell
(51:54):
people sometimes that I'mtalking to you know more about
LeBron or more about MichaelJordan or more about Patrick
Mahomes than you know about whatyour kids are doing or what's
going on in your community.
What would you say to that?
I mean, cause I, I, I enjoyentertainment and I.
What would you say to that?
(52:17):
I mean because I enjoyentertainment and I, and, but I
some.
I think some people have it asa distraction sometimes to take
away from their lives, and Icould see where you know I, like
I said, I love athletics, I wasan athlete and I competed at a
high level, but at the same time, sometimes I think it takes
away from people's lives.
What's your, do you have anythoughts on that, or is it?
Speaker 1 (52:31):
When you say take away from people's lives,
meaning that they're just notfocused on any other stuff of
their life.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah.
So so I'll have people that sayI, you know that they'll say
that my marriage is bad, I'm notmaking any money.
I, you know, I wish my lifecould be better, I would have
more success.
But then they'll tell you everyeverything that happened in all
the basketball games, all thethings that happened in all the
football games.
I'll tell you all the thingsthat you know are happening when
they're sitting at the bar andtheir life's falling apart.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I got you now, dr B, all right, so let me, let me go.
Let me go at this.
There's such a thing in lifecalled balance man.
You got to have balance man.
So if your marriage is jackedup and you're not trying to get
better but you know the score ofthe Denver Nuggets game, shame
on you.
And not knowing what's going onwith your wife or what's going
on with your man or your husbandyes, I say it all the time
(53:27):
Work-life balance, balance life,whatever it is.
Because it can go the other wayaround too, like, okay, you're
so enthralled with the marriageand stuff like that, you don't
see anything else.
Yeah, so you need a happymedium and I absolutely you know
(53:48):
I try to pride myself on that.
You know, if I'm getting tothis, to that, you know I want
to make sure I'm having somekind of medium and some balance
when it comes to that.
So, yeah, you can't know whatJokic got last night and the
baby's somewhere.
And your wife is mad at you.
(54:09):
No, you can't.
You know you mad because Murrayonly got 20 minutes of playing
and he not passing the ball toJokic.
That's dumb, that's just notgood.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
If the game's two and a half hours, then watch your
show, and then you'll learn itall.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Right right, right, right right.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
What didn't we talk about that you want to make sure
?
I mean, I want to know how toget to your podcast, I want to
know how to get to your websiteand stuff.
But what did we not talk aboutthat you wanted to make sure
that we talked about today.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
I think we talked about everything that you know.
We said that we was going to do.
This was very, very interestingFor all those.
We're on all social mediaplatforms, from Twitter well,
excuse me X, facebook, instagram, you name it we're on it.
Tiktok sportschaserspodcastnetthe website is
(55:04):
sportschaserspodcastnet.
You just give us a look onthere.
You'll have all our nice smileybios on there.
Also, you can see our contenton there.
You can see some blog postsAlso, make sure you subscribe.
You can get a newsletter everyweek.
You know what I'm saying.
So we give you some value withthat.
And, yeah, that's how you canfind us.
You know we're just six guys onthere.
(55:25):
We talk about sports.
We have passion for sports andif you really want to know some
sports without all the otherstuff and all the hot takes,
come holler at the SportsChasers podcast and we'll be
happy to have you aboard, man.
So I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, and I'm sure I can't wait to go watch it and
get my sports fix in a quickeramount of time, and then we can
talk about the Broncos or the.
You know, I guess my roommatein college played for Kansas
City.
His name was Christian McCoy,so he played.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Really Wow.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
And so we get to talk a lot.
So I have probably moreconversations about the Chiefs
than I do about the Broncos atthis point.
But you know he's a godfatherof my kids and stuff.
But it's just been amazing tobe part of the sports world,
that I can I coach, track, I dostuff, and you know, around the
city and the town with youth butat the same time, like you said
(56:24):
, that work life balance thatallows us to do, like you said,
that work-life balance thatallows us to do, and so I
appreciate you coming on to thisshow and showing us what it
looks like to be successful, notonly in what you do for a
career, but being successful inyour life as well, successful in
your relationships, successfulin your podcast.
(56:45):
It takes work and it's evidentthat you've been willing to
spend the time and the work tomake it happen, and so it's been
a blessing for me to be able tohave you on the show.
Thank you so much.
Same thing that he's saying Goahead and hit the subscribe
button, the notification buttonand the thumbs up and all those
things If you're looking forsome really cool content of
(57:06):
folks that are doing stuff thatare in your community in many
cases that look like you, thathave showed you the way they're
doing.
If you want to get intopodcasts, you can contact either
of us and we'll kind of showyou what, what the ropes are
that you have to do.
But be willing to put in somework, my friend.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
It's not for the faint of heart.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
It is definitely not from the faint of heart, but it
is so rewarding and somethingthat you will probably enjoy
doing.
So don't forget your God'sgreatest gift he loves you.
If you allow him to, We'll lookforward to talking to you in
the next one.
Have an amazing, awesome justincredible day today.
We'll talk to you soon.
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