April 8, 2025 • 59 mins
What happens when life takes an unexpected detour through a Chinese prison cell? Chancellor K. Jackson never imagined his post-college journey would include 14 days in a Beijing penitentiary, but this harrowing experience became the foundation for his remarkable transformation from athlete to bestselling author.
In this raw and inspiring conversation, Chancellor shares the complete arc of his journey – from his days as a college football player at Stetson University to teaching English in China, where his life changed dramatically after a sudden arrest in his apartment. With vivid detail, he recounts the isolation of being detained without explanation, navigating a system where few spoke his language, and maintaining his faith through profound uncertainty.
The real magic of Chancellor's story emerges after his deportation back to the United States. Rather than allowing trauma to define him, he channeled his experience into writing "14 Days in Beijing," which quickly became a bestseller. This unexpected success revealed his gift for storytelling and launched a new chapter as a publishing coach, helping others transform their stories into books.
Throughout our discussion, Chancellor offers powerful insights about identity, resilience, and reinvention. He explores how football prepared him for life's challenges, why embracing technology like AI enhances creativity rather than diminishes it, and how his faith sustained him during his darkest moments. His practical advice for aspiring authors – "write it like you're sending a text message" – cuts through the perfectionism that prevents so many from sharing their stories.
Whether you're facing adversity, considering a creative pursuit, or simply seeking inspiration, Chancellor's journey demonstrates how our most challenging experiences can become our greatest gifts to others. As he powerfully states, "Adversity introduces a man to himself, and none of us know who we are until we fail."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It isn't real until you're actually in that
situation and it's a wholedifferent type of discomfort, to
say the least.
So as you're reading the book,it's like I wrote it in the
perspective that said you'rewalking through my eyes, you're
feeling all the anxiety, all theemotions.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey, welcome to another edition of the Journey
to Freedom podcast.
I am Dr B, I'm your host, justexcited, and, as I always am,
about just having conversationswith folks and finding out what
people are doing and how they'renot being stuck.
And you know, one of the thingsthat how important family is
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and how important it is in ourlives and the things that we're
doing I just earlier today Idon't know, chesley, have you
ever heard of a guy named MyronGoldman?
But he is a business strategistand helps people become
multimillionaires, and so I wasable to interview him on the
podcast today and he kind ofjust talked about some of the
(01:10):
things that we do as individualsthat stop us from being able to
become the person we need to bein order to do what God put us
on the search to do.
So it was really cool to havehim on the show and kind of talk
about how he helps people, youknow, turn into the folks they
want to do.
But it's just, you know, youjust go wow, there's so many
(01:33):
people that are doing the thingright, making things happen,
making things work, and it'sjust so neat to be able to
interact with them and talk withthem and find out what people
are doing, because so many of us, especially in our culture, are
just searching.
We're saying, you know, theseare the circumstances that we've
been dealt.
This is you don't get to pickyour parents, you don't get to
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pick your where you grow up, youdon't get to pick the
neighborhood you grow up in, andthen sometimes those outside
circumstances kind of hinder usa little bit into meeting that
purpose in life.
And so I'm glad that you're ontoday, glad that you're able to
spend some time with us and beable to talk about what it is
that you're doing, that's makinga difference in other people's
(02:18):
life.
And so I'm, like I do with allof our guests, I'm asking
Chancellor to go ahead and, um,you know, share his story, share
his life.
Then we'll chop it up afterthat with all the different
things that you might be able toidentify with or things that
you might be able to do in orderto make your life come to where
it needs to be.
And so thank you for being onthe show, thank you for taking
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this time.
I know you're out of yournormal environment and spending
time with your family, and whichis always so cool, but then
sometimes you worry about stufflike well, is the internet going
to work or is the, you know, isthe lighting going to be the
right lighting?
And so just want you to knowyou look good.
I know you're a mom's house andyou know I don't know who's
going to walk back and forth,but it doesn't matter, cause we
(03:01):
got you here today, and so goahead and tell us your story and
we'll just go from there.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
All right, man, I appreciate you for having me on.
Chancellor K Jackson is thename.
Born and raised in Atlanta,georgia.
I played football for a portionof my life, so it's my identity
At least it is part of myidentity.
I played throughout high school, got the opportunity to play in
college, played all four yearsat Stetson University down in
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Florida.
After I graduated from StetsonI landed my first job teaching
English to kids in China.
So I moved to China fresh outof college and was out there for
about six months.
I was supposed to do year um andcertain situations happened and
things went left um and cut mytime in half um, so I ended up
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being arrested in china what, ohgod china, served 14 days there
and one of their penitentiaries, um, and then, once I was
released, I was immediatelydeported from the country, came
back to America, lost everything, just back to square one trying
to figure out what I'm going todo next and started writing the
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book 14 Days in Beijing, whichis my best seller and pretty
much it's just a story of metelling everything that happened
within those 14 days.
I was incarcerated and it hadgreat success, and that led me
to write more books and startedmy publishing company and
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coaching people through thewriting and publishing process.
Now I also coach high schoolfootball.
Currently I'm still workingeducation.
So yeah, man, it's been ajourney, to say the least.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh my gosh.
And so I'm sure you weren'texpecting to go to Beijing, and
obviously all the circumstancesthat happened around, and I
definitely want to talk aboutthat.
But before we do that, let'stalk a little bit about identity
, because you brought it up andit's something that I spent a
lot of time with my gueststalking about and you kind of
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said you identified as afootball player or an athlete.
You know, was that?
You know, were you expecting togo play in the league?
I mean, were you expecting togo all the way through?
And you know, and then all of asudden that you know your
college career is over and nowyou're trying to figure out what
I'm going to do, or what didthat look like as you as an
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individual, as a person that isjust trying to make life work.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So I didn't start playing football until eighth
grade.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
OK.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
For me to be from Georgia.
That's, that's not reallycommon.
You know, I'm saying Mostpeople have been playing
football since they was four orfive years old.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of catchingup to do as far as just learning
the game within itself.
But I always knew that I wantedto play college football,
division I college.
That was definitely anaspiration.
(06:03):
Of course, everybody has theend goals to make it to the
league one day, hopefully.
But most importantly, I wantedto play college ball.
So that was really my goal allthroughout high school.
That's what I worked towardsand I was able to accomplish
that just through my own sure,where I wasn't highly recruited
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and had scouts hit me up orcontact me constantly.
Now in my school I played forhigh school.
We was trash back in the day,so we definitely wasn't.
I just wasn't putting in theeffort to market us either.
Oh my gosh, my freshman year Iwas just seeing class after
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class.
Nobody's really going anywhere,especially for football.
So I was like, well, I got todo a little bit more due
diligence.
You know what I'm saying.
This is something I really wantto do.
I know, I got to put in a littlebit more work and, outside of
just playing on the field, I gotto market my own self.
That was my approach Emailingschool coaches, dming coaches on
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Facebook, twitter the wholenine for months, for months,
applying to schools.
The coaches that I got acceptedinto.
I got for months, for monthsand I'm applying to schools here
.
The coaches that I was.
I got accepted into and I gotaccepted into Stetson.
I went to their camp over thesummer, so the coaches remember
me, sat down with them and nextthing I knew I was on the roster
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.
So I made that of my own.
Sure will.
So I was.
It was cool Cause I'm like, yes, I'm like, I like I'm here now.
It's like I just got to showout.
Now, you just show up and showout, um.
But I realized around sophomoreyear that the league probably
wasn't going to be.
It wasn't going to.
You know what's going to happen, um, but I was like there's
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something.
This is the main goal I reallywanted to do.
So I'm just gonna ride this outand then, once this comes to
the end, I'll figure it out onceI get there and once again,
what was this?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
did you play?
db okay, so you defensive backthe uh, my, I had a roommate in
college who, uh, was a track guy.
I was a track track athlete.
Okay, so he's my roommatebecause he was a discus thrower,
and after he that, after he wasfrom Nigeria and after his
country decided that he evenqualified for the Olympics in LA
in 84, and they wouldn't lethim throw because they said his
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tribe wasn't one of the premiertribes or whatever.
He probably wasn't going to geta medal, and so we tried
football.
After his junior year incollege is when we tried
football.
Then he ended up going to theleague and then he was, like, I
think, his uh, rookie of theyear, and his next year he led
the league in in russia.
But he was just like you know,he did play football, but two
(08:54):
years before he's at the leagueand I don't think he loved it.
Be like that, though.
Um, so so your identity is kindof wrapped up, you know.
But you know, hey, this isprobably the four years it's
helped me pay for school, it'shelped me do it.
It sounded like you got prettygood grades and were able to
(09:17):
write.
So what did you major in?
What was your?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
uh communication and media studies.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Okay, so you're doing media studies, which is Then
part of the identity says, okay,I got to figure out something.
Then somebody recruits you tosay hey, how about teaching
English in China, you go.
Oh great idea.
What was the impetus forwanting to go to China?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
to teach English.
It's similar to me trying tofind a college to play ball at.
Okay, I don't really have awhole lot of experience as far
as my field of communication,but I know I'm a work ethic,
fast learner man.
You show me the ropes, I takeoff and run with it.
(10:02):
So I'm like I just needsomebody just willing to bet on
me.
And I was applying.
I started applying for jobs assoon as the season, like last
game of my senior year.
I started applying for jobsimmediately afterwards and I was
having success landinginterviews.
I'm talking about I'm gettingflown out to places put up in
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hotels the whole nine, but I'mgetting about I'm getting flown
out places put up hotels thewhole nine but and getting told
no.
And these are all corporatepositions I was applying for.
But every interview, like you,if I really wanted it, I
couldn't get it just because myI lacked experience.
It's the excuse they keptgiving me.
Uh, but it's like y'all knew Ilacked experience when y'all saw
(10:44):
my resume before we said allthis.
So it's like you know what I'msaying.
It wasn't that shifted, but Iwas just like man, we've been
here before.
We got told no by hundreds andhundreds of schools before we
actually got a yes.
So we just got to keep going.
If we give up, we really ain'tgoing to accomplish anything.
(11:06):
Let's re-approach this jobsearching thing.
You've been trying to do thecorporate thing.
Clearly that might not be foryou.
Let's see what else is outthere.
What are you good at?
Working with people, talkingwith people?
I'm like, okay, that soundslike social work.
Just me going down this rabbithole to just social work.
I think I was on LinkedIn whenI was job searching and I saw a
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tab to like searchinternationally.
So, with me doing that, becauseI'm like why am I just solely
focused on America?
Like I'm pretty sure there'sfar more opportunities around
the globe.
So I was like like, let me seewhat they got out there.
And that's when I seen, oh,teaching just kids in china.
I'm like that soundsinteresting, it sounds cool.
(11:51):
So I applied um, did theinterview, did second interview
and then, uh, it was the firstjob to tell me yes after eight
months of being told no.
You know.
Since, uh, it was the first jobto tell me yes after eight
months of being told no, youknow out of the world.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So I was like, okay, they really know if fans are
bust about it.
That's what we finna do, andthen boom.
So so it lands the job andthey're gonna fly you out there.
Before we jump into that, Iwant to just kind of so.
Now you, I'm jumping ahead,you're coming back, you can't
wait to get out of there, theycan't wait to have you out of
there.
And then you go okay, here's myexperience.
I have nothing, and then I'mgoing to try to write a book.
(12:31):
What kind of identity did youhave to change from who you were
then?
That said, maybe I should writea book about this?
Or was it just a story that youknew people would love and tell?
Or did you already feel like,hey, I'm a communication major,
I already know how to write,because you don't just jump into
being an author that can writea book, you know just because
you graduated from college.
(12:52):
So what kind of went on in yourbrain and said hey, I can
probably write a book?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
so it's interesting because, even though, yeah, my
degree is communication, I wrotea book, but growing up, writing
was never a strong suit of mineor anything that I enjoyed
doing.
It was always something schoolrelated, and even in high school
I don't even remember writingthat many essays.
So when I got to college, itwas a rude awakening.
I'm like hold on.
I had to do this in high school.
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I got to write how many pagesis doing.
And this paper number one ofthe semester, it's due.
When, and this paper number oneof the semester, I said, boy,
this is gonna be.
But just, I always been astudent.
You know, I'm saying studentathlete first a student.
So just going to the writingcenter and just taking the time
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to learn how to write properly,structure it, um, grammar, word
use, readability, all of that.
So just took it back to thefundamentals and just worked my
way up, but it still wasn'tnever anything I thought I would
ever do, until one day I washanging out with a good friend
of mine, which I grew up with.
His name is DeMarco Reddins.
He was a traditionallypublished author before we
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graduated high school in 2014.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Okay.
So yeah, I was just kicking itwith him and he was like hey bro
, you think about writing a bookabout the experience?
I was like boy, that's a goodidea, cuz I knew I was.
I knew I wanted to do somethingwith story.
I'm like this is crazy.
Yeah, it is, and I made it out,but I just didn't know how I
wanted to go about telling.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So he put that book on, yeah in my ear I'm like okay
, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's a great idea.
I still don't even know whereto start, but that's a good idea
.
But he took it even further.
He took my phone, went to mynotes section, left me a little
outline and I just startedfilling in the outline and by me
doing that I figured out how Iwanted to go about telling the
story.
So it.
(14:46):
So I moved my phone to googledoc so I could finish typing it
up, and took me about fourmonths to write, and then the
next six months after that wasjust getting ready for
publishing.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Did you, um, like you know, for the books that I
wrote, because I, you know, Iwas told I was a special ed kid
and you know could write andstuff, so I used like google
talk and I talked and I spoke mywhole book.
I didn't, you know, all threespoke my whole book.
Were you actually typing andtrying to do all the grammar and
having somebody look at it?
What was your writing processto be able to get the stuff out
of your head as quickly as youcould to the pages?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'll be telling how I coach people to just get the
story on paper at first.
It depends on if you like tohandwrite or if you like to type
Me.
I'm going to type it becauseit's going to end up on the
computer anyway.
That's just faster.
Tell them to write it like you.
Think about it, as if you weresending a text message to one of
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your closest friends orwhatever.
Write it like you're sending along text message how you you
would your natural tongue.
Don't worry about no spellinganything correctly.
Use all the expressions, emojis.
Don't worry about nopunctuation like.
Write it literally like a longtext message, just to get.
You can always go back onceit's all.
(15:59):
Once you got it all down, thenyou can go back and fine tone it
.
You know what I'm saying, butjust to hurry up and get it down
, man write it like a textmessage because you try to focus
on the grammar and thepunctuation while you're going.
That's going to slow you up andsometimes it might demotivate
you because it's taking theprocess longer and longer.
So it's like man, that's true.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's a very good point to make for folks.
You know like that, so I don't.
I don't type my text messageseither, so it's easy for me just
to talk it to.
You know, my text messages exactsame thing, hey.
But how you doing, you know,just talking straight into it
and let the, let the uh, ai orwhatever it is, put it into the
right.
Uh, at least spell all thewords right, and all that kind
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of stuff.
So that's really cool.
So then in your next six monthsthen you are figuring out how
to get it published.
Now, did you just find apublisher to self-publish or
were you searching for differentpublishers?
What was kind of the processthere?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I honestly didn't know how I was going to go about
publishing it.
I was doing step-by-step.
I got the book written andedited, all right.
So now let's get the cover.
All right, boom, got the cover.
Title, book description.
But in the process of doing allof this, I'm like, okay, I
honestly don't know how I'mgoing to publish this thing, but
I'm just like I feel likesomething is going to come to me
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you know what I'm saying whenit's time.
And I was telling him to havethe same conversation with one
of my other friends.
He was working for Amazon atthe time and one random day he
sent me a link to Kindle'sdirect publishing through Amazon
.
So he sent me that link.
He's like, bro, I don't knowwhat this is, but I feel like it
might be beneficial.
(17:39):
And I'm looking through it andI'm like this is exactly how
we're going to publish this bookfor sure.
And it's like the ideal way.
Honestly, it aligns witheverything that I'm on right now
Just independency, owning myown rights, my own product, just
straight ownership.
So I was like, ok, for sure,this is exactly how we're going
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to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So that's how I went about publishing.
Yeah, I did.
I agree, I thinkself-publishing is is the way to
go.
Uh, when you think about youknow, unless you just haven't
published, getting ready to dropa million dollars in your
pocket or something like that toget it going, they're going to
do a lot of work, uh, butthere's just something about
going through the whole processthat you're doing, that you're
uh making sure that you knowyou're you're crossing all your
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your t's and you're doing that.
You're making sure that you'recrossing all your T's and you're
dotting all your I's.
And there's help out there.
There's books, there's peoplewho've done it before us that
can go out and kind of show youthe pathway, and so that's why
your identity is changing right,because now you're a guy.
Wait, I'm a real author.
I'm a real.
You know this stuff is reallygoing to happen.
(18:44):
And then now give me a talk alittle bit about your belief
system.
Now that you've written thebook, you're going through the
process of publishing it.
Are you believing likeeverybody's going to want to
hear, everybody's going to wantto read this book, this book,
are you going?
I hope somebody, I will give itto my mom, I'm going to give it
to my cousins and everybodyelse.
I'm going to give it to my mom,I'm going to give it to my
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cousins and everybody else andhopefully they'll give it.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
What was your marketing thought process of?
Now I'm an author who's goingto actually buy my book and read
it, I knew, I felt in my spirit.
I'm like this is a good story.
I don't know what type of impactit's going to have.
But anytime I was hanging outwith somebody, I was just
sliding my laptop, you know,saying on page one or whatever,
and I was like I just read alittle bit of this tim, which
then that's giving no contextwhat it is like.
(19:35):
Just read this little, readthis, let me know what you think
of it.
Just a little bit, a few pages.
Next thing, I know 15, 20minutes to pass, they still
ain't gave me the laptop back.
So I'm like, okay, and I keptdoing that with different people
.
You know I'm saying okay, I gotsomething on my hand for sure.
So I'm like it's going, it'sgoing to make some noise.
But, um, literally where I justlike I said, I always
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identified as a student athlete,so that's how most people
always saw me.
So for me to jump now.
Then I got a whole new identity.
I'm coming out with a book thatcaught people from man out of
left field and just peaked atthat time to say everything went
in the shutdown so it was likedivine timing.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, everybody needs to read.
Somebody needs to.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Fine timing, and it really was.
I just like, I'm just gonnachange my entire social, all my
social media platforms, to thebook.
I'm gonna just like that andjust promote it.
You know what I'm saying?
Post it on my page.
Dm folks uh messaging people,uh telling about the book.
Um running ads.
(20:48):
Hitting up uh instagraminfluencers to do promos with
the book, or people that have uma platform or a name for
themselves, reviewing books.
We talk to them too.
You know how much you'recharged for a review.
When I was getting it everywhich way, every which way, no
cap um podcast interviewsstarted getting said I was
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heavily um so it's just once thebook dropped, I was ranked
number one in three differentgenres.
Um, it was just crazy, crazybuzz.
You couldn't tell me it wasgoing to happen like that.
I knew it was going to be agood story, I knew people were
going to enjoy it, but I didn'tthink it was going to have that
type of impact that passed thatquickly.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I think most people that write books borderline.
They can truly be an authoronce they sell 500 copies
because you know out of you know90% of the books that are
published.
That's what most of them don'teven sell a copy.
How quickly did you get to 500?
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Was it like within your firstfive weeks?
First two months, first day.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I would say I'd probably say in the first month
with, because I originally brokethe entire book down into a
series of short stories.
So the original version, 14Days in Beijing, is only like 37
pages.
That's the one that went thecraziest.
(22:21):
Really Okay, the one that wentthe craziest Like.
But like each and I dropped theother books, like part two,
part three, part four,periodically throughout the rest
of the year.
Just, I'm like I already donechopped it down.
This mom might as well continueto just spoon feed and this all
was freestyle, by the way, likenone of this was planned, we
was just man putting it up as wewas going.
(22:44):
But yeah, I feel like, with medoing that and chopping the book
up, it definitely helped withthe momentum and yeah, man, it
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was just crazy.
That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So I know I've been teasing you guys and I haven't
let you hear the story yet.
Everybody's just watching thisgoing well what happened?
What happened?
What happened?
So maybe you could just give usthe you know the cliff note
version.
So they'll get the book, youread it.
So look at the whole thing.
So they'll get the book, youread it, but they'll get the
whole thing.
So you leave college, you getan English teaching job in
Beijing, you head over to Chinahow long before?
(23:33):
Yeah, I'll just let you tellthe story in your own words, the
way that you've done it,because I know people are
chopping it to bits.
Why do you keep asking about it?
I don't know about being anauthor.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I want to know what happened.
I entered China on October 10,2018.
I moved to the east side ofBeijing once after my two weeks
of training and I found myapartment.
My school is literally like across street for me and it's 14
floor humongous mall called JoyCity.
I lived in the businessdistrict, so it's a nice little
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area, very vibrant, had a lot oflights.
A lot of life Like China wasprobably China is still the best
experience I've.
A lot of life Like China wasprobably China is still the best
experience I've ever had in mylife.
I was out there, like I said, Iwas supposed to do a full year.
I was out there for six months,having the time of my life and
enjoying teaching, exploringChina, exploring the locals as
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well as the other foreignersthat were out there.
And on April 4th 2019, that'swhen things take a turn and I'm
pretty much arrested inside ofmy apartment after I was drug
tested right there on the spot.
After the police showed up tomy apartment at random drug test
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me right there on the spot,failed the drug test.
Next thing I know the cuffs areon me.
I don't know what's going on,what's going to happen next, and
it's just a journey fromprecinct to precinct until we
get to the active jail where I'mhoused and I'm locked up for 24
hours a day, seven days a week.
15 men to one cell, nine woodenbeds, three soups a day and all
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I had was a plastic bowl and aplastic spoon.
Nothing was explained to me asfar as how this process works.
I don't know how long I'm goingto be in here.
I made a cell with about 14other Chinese men, so there's no
formal communication whatsoever.
14 other Chinese men, sothere's no formal communication
whatsoever.
But my faith is strong and myhead is high and I'm embracing
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and ready for whatever is aboutto occur along this journey.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And so you don't even know why they arrested you.
You just know that they pickedyou up and took you into pretty
much like yeah, I'm just notlike.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
No form of communication is existing, so I
don't know what's going on, butI'm just following directions
and are they speaking in englishat this point?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
it is pointing what are.
What are they doing?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It was an English speaker.
It was only one cop that spokeEnglish that was asking me about
failing the drug test andquestioning me about all of that
.
Once the cops are on me, Idon't even know if he goes.
He just disappears.
The rest of the officers I'mwith don't speak English at all,
at least I don't know.
(26:37):
They're not talking to me.
I'm not talking to them, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then the charges and everything did that.
Finally, even when you left,you still don't.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I don't know what my charges were.
My documents that they made mesign the thumbprint are written
in Mandarin, so I can't readthem.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
They're making you sign them and you're like I have
no idea what I'm even signingwhat I'm doing, what's?
Happening.
So these 14 days, your faith,you're in this, you know, cell
with other chinese men.
They are they leaving in andout, or is it just the same 14,
the whole time that you're there?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
everybody's rotating, rotating, like leaving, but I'm
like, okay, I seem to be theonly one that's still here.
It's even funny, like on thethird day, like 13, no, 12
people were released, so it'slike three of us in the cell.
We like I know they're notgoing to just leave it in the
cell by ourselves, but then theycame and got us and they moved
(27:35):
us to a new cell.
That's like a few doors down.
In that new cell I'm immersedwith three other foreigners, two
of them that speak English.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Now you can at least have conversations.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Day four, I finally get to talk to somebody and
learn about how the jail worksand the rules, and learn about
these folks backgrounds, wherethey from, and now I can
communicate with the locals aswell.
So it's like you learn aboutall these different stories, all
these different walks of life.
But you know, I'm saying we alljust go existing in this one
space that we don't leave now,were you there for the next 10
(28:11):
days or did?
okay, that was in that cell yeah, yeah, further, further, two
days, and then all of a sudden,they come and say it's time to
go.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
literally like just they call them out, like they
like waving me to come here.
I'm like what y'all, I'mconfused, like what y'all want
and now you just keep doing likethis and one of the uh inmates
like everybody telling you to go.
It's time to go.
Grab my bone, grab my spoon dabto everybody, walk straight at
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the door.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
At the door.
They take you straight to theairport, or do you have to
figure out how to get thereyourself?
Yeah, yeah, or what's the?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
They take me to my apartment to grab the rest of my
things, and then straight tothe airport.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
They put you on a plane, so you're not paying for
a ticket.
They was like you're out.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I had to find somebody to buy a ticket for me.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Oh really, Were they just going to leave you in the
airport?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
or what.
On day seven you brought allthe foreigners down.
They allowed us to contactpeople that we knew to see who
could buy us a plane ticket ifthey could, and we had to give
that contact.
Knew to see who could buy us aplane ticket and if they could,
then we'd have to get thatcontact information.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Gotcha, so they'd fit that all up before you even
left.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So you fly back home, get off the plane?
Are there any issues in the USthat they're saying I'm just
back home?
It doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It doesn't happen If.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I had written this, nobody would have known this
happened to me, but you're notgoing back to China.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I wouldn't just go out of there on a limb If
opportunity presented itself.
Yeah, most definitely.
I feel everything full circleand I would definitely document
it.
Just more marketing for thebook, so yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So, um, just just more marketing for the book.
So, yeah, okay.
So now the book.
You put the book.
What are some of the things inthe book that you talk about
that are intriguing folks to towant to get the book because
they want to find out whathappened, and it sounds like
there wasn't.
You know, like, is it what'sgoing through your mind?
Is it you know whether what'sthe premise of the book?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
yeah um I guess it's just like most people are always
curious about traveling abroadsomewhere and this unfortunate
circumstance happens to you.
You hear about it before itshows.
Locked up abroad, it's alwayssomething that's you always know
that could happen, but itactually does happen.
It isn't real until you'reactually in that situation and
(30:39):
it's a whole different type ofdiscomfort, to say the least.
Um, so, as you're reading thebook, it's like I wrote it in
the perspective, as if you'rewalking through it through my
eyes.
Um, you feeling all the anxiety,all the emotions, the
anticipation of what and thecuriosity of, okay, what's going
(31:00):
to happen next, like, how do weget out of this situation?
And you just learn.
You're using everything you canjust within your confinement to
try to piece all this stufftogether the best you can,
because you don't even know.
But, ironically enough,everybody else in the cell knows
how much time they have.
Uh, who knows what theirspecific charges are?
(31:22):
You know what I'm saying.
Everybody know all theirdetails to the to the fullest,
how I get left out.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm the only one that don'tknow what's going on.
Um, so it's just, it's just avery interesting reason to see
what's the process like of, youknow, being in jail in Beijing.
You know, I'm saying just thatcuriosity, and then you just
learn a lot of this about theculture of China as well, and
(31:45):
then, of course, about myculture and the different
cultures, because the two of theforeigners one was a Chinese
American from California, theother one was Brazilian from
Brazil.
So you get to learn about theircultures and their journeys
along, uh, you know saying life,and what led them up all the
way up until this point, uh, towhere we're closest and in the
cell, um, so yeah, it's a it'san interesting, interesting read
(32:08):
, for sure did you think youwere going to be there for the
rest of your life?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I mean, was there some point where you just, like
I might, might be here for?
Or you just or?
You knew you were short termfrom the beginning?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Uh, I didn't know how long I was going to be in that
situation.
Um, I knew I was going to begood, though I said, when it's
all said and done, I'm going tobe good.
I just don't know how, how.
But a one accountability.
I made choices.
I knew the repercussions fromit, so this is something I had
(32:42):
to take to the chin.
So, with that being said, justtrust the process.
You know, saying no to say youand you, everything will be all
right.
Take note of every minor detail, because it's going to be a
great story to say I want you topredict.
I literally said that toyourself.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You said that to yourself.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, and when I was at the first precinct I said
that to myself it's going to bea great story, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Was that the first time you'd ever been in anything
like that?
You're a black man in Atlanta,man.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
You never had no issues whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
That was the very first time somebody showed up
and then, and then how do youknow how you got turned in or
how they got your name around?
That's never been in themystery life.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
A lot of people just come up with their own
conclusions, so that you havesaying so, this is the book is?
It's a mystery?
At the same time, I didn't knowwhat was going on.
It was unfolding.
I'm sure you still don'tExactly, so it's like it's still
a mystery.
It's still a mystery.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh, my gosh so now you come back home.
You've missed this ordeal.
You spent 14 days and now youhave to figure out life back at
home in Atlanta.
You said you came back likenothing ever happened.
Well, if nothing ever happened,you still didn't have a job,
you still didn't have an income,you still didn't have a way to
support yourself.
And I can't imagine there wasany money left from what you
(34:06):
were doing in Beijing and maybea little bit, that you your last
paycheck or something.
So now what do you do?
You've been through thisexperience.
It's got to be traumatic, tosay the least.
Now you've got to get goingagain.
You've got to pick yourself up.
What does that look?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
like it was a process .
It was a process.
I was already in the hat.
I got experience in education,teaching kids.
Not only was I just teachingkids, I was teaching kids on the
other side of the world.
I feel like that's going toopen up opportunities for me, so
I'm like I can get in.
(34:42):
I'm going to continue toexplore that.
But at that point in time itwas closing in on the end of the
school year, so I knew I wasgoing to have to wait until the
following school year foranything to any opportunities to
(35:02):
be available.
So within that time I was justtaking time to just travel,
explore, be with self, soulsearch and worked out a lot.
I worked out a lot.
I worked out a lot.
You know what I'm saying?
I had so much time on my handsand just trying to figure
something out.
And then once DeMarco was like,put the bug in my ear about
(35:26):
writing the book, hey, that justtook everything to a whole
nother level.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Now is there other things that you're doing?
You said you're coachingfootball high school football
and then is you just a writernow, or what Like?
What is your days in your lifelook like now that you've had
this experience?
You've come back, you've beenable to write a pretty
successful book.
What's that identity look likefor you now that are in your
(35:55):
future.
You now that, or in your futurewhat you want to happen.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I've been, of course, with the success of 14 Days.
I got asked countless timesabout the writing and publishing
process.
It was surprising to me theamount of people that have
aspirations to write and publisha book.
This wasn't something I alwayswanted to do.
It was just an idea I was givenand I just took it and publish
a book.
This wasn't something I alwayswanted to do.
It was just an idea I was givenand I just took it and ran with
(36:20):
it.
But to see that there's a lotof people this is something that
they truly, truly want to dobut just don't know how to go
about doing it.
I've worked with countlesspeople, countless people with
just trying to encourage themand just work with them through
the writing and publishingprocess.
Only two people saw the wholeprocess through One 30-year-old,
(36:43):
30-something-year-old dude.
At the time his book went numberone and the other one was at
the time she was 15 years old,15-year-old girl in high school
and hers went crazy.
She went crazy.
Hers was number one for likenine straight days.
Um, so I knew I was okay.
They let me know right then,and there I said okay, I got a
(37:05):
nice little formula how I goabout doing it.
Um, it works because I work formyself and I also work for
these two other individuals.
So it's like, okay, we canprobably turn this into
something.
So just turn it to a servicecoaching people through the
writing, the publishing process,um, so this sort of shifted
into that, um, that aspect ofthe coaching side of it and the
(37:29):
teaching, training, coachingside of.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Why do you think of all the people that have
aspirations, all the people whowant to get something done, only
a few?
I mean, it's like this ineverything but in the world that
you're in.
Why do you think it is thatpeople don't want to push
through?
They have these intentions, butthey don't push through Fear,
(37:52):
fear, fear of what if it works,or fear of it's not going to
work.
That's talked to me and told methat I'm not going to be able
to do it both.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
A lot of people don't have confidence in themselves
or anything that they mightcreate, so it's just something
that they have to work with andovercome.
Like to make things morecomplex than they actually are,
like anything is impossible, butit's like, yeah, if you take
the time out to learn, you putin the work.
(38:25):
Yeah, you can, you can see it,you can accomplish the same
thing.
But a lot of people be in theirown way.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
What do you think separated you?
What made you be able to pushthrough man?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I'm just cut.
I'm cut like this Thoroughbredfor sure.
Always been, Always been.
I prove it to them time andtime again.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I'm loving having this conversation because
there's something that separatesthe 20 percenters and then the
two percenters and it's, youknow, the folks that continue to
always win, compared to the fewthat just talk about people who
always win and then havereasons.
And you know, I guesscomplaints or excuses, I guess,
(39:15):
is the word I'm looking for asto why it's not working for them
, and just trying to unpack andunlock that.
And you said it's just, it'sjust who you are.
You know what, when you seesomebody because now you're
coaching people and you seesomebody who's not you know and
you're trying to help them,whether it's football or whether
it's you're writing you'retrying to help them and you're
just like you're frustratedbecause they can't get out of
(39:40):
their own way.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Man, everybody learns differently.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I take it back to when we all went to school.
You know what I'm saying.
We've been in class with thesame amount of people for a
whole semester.
You know what I'm saying.
So you've seen it and you'veseen the different learning
abilities amongst your peers.
You see how everybody this manneed to be hands-on with it.
He can just hit it, he pick itup.
(40:06):
This person got to see it.
Uh, you know I'm sayingeverybody got their own learning
style.
Some people can pick things upa whole lot faster than others.
Um, and same with coaching aswell.
Some players don't respond tothe rah, rah, harsh criticism.
You know what I'm saying.
All down your throat type ofcoaching.
They shut down.
You know what I'm saying.
(40:27):
So some of them, you just gotto just pull them to the side
and talk to them in a calm, cool, collected voice.
You just got to cater yourability to teach based on the
student so does your formulawork for all these different
learning styles?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
you just have to find which way to plug in that
formula.
Or is your formula specificallyfor, like, a certain type of?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
person.
Uh, so far I work with people,all different walks of life, um,
different abilities, um, like Ihad some.
I had worked with a lady ohyeah, her book's gonna uh
publish soon.
It's gonna drop soon too.
So, nurse, she worked her wayfrom the cna all the way up to
the rn and now she's teachingclasses to get your uh
(41:14):
certifications.
So she wrote a book about thatwhole journey and when I was
working with her, getting itdown on paper, she did like you.
Like once we discovered thetext-to-speech oh man, that
changed the game.
Like that was slowing her up alot just trying to type
everything, like she had to haveher daughter type it up.
So, yeah, when she discoveredthe text-to-spe, discovered that
(41:37):
text to speech oh man, what,she knocked that book out like
that then.
Um, so there's little aspectslike that, just having to try
different things, see what worksfor who.
Um, but I'm very hands-on witheverybody that I work with.
Like, I'm right there by yourside now if you start to slow up
.
I'm encouraging you to keepgoing forward.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I can't want it more than you want it, though, at the
end of the day, it's huge, butI'm right there behind you,
though.
I'm right there behind you.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
AI is around now for publishers, writers, that kind
of stuff.
How are you utilizing it as atool?
Are you trying to tell peopleto stay away from it?
What's your viewpoint as aauthor on how AI can help this
process?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's a great tool.
I feel like people that aretrying to shy away from it.
I mean, it's going to beinevitable eventually it's going
to be inevitable.
So get on with it now.
Learn it now, becausetechnology is going to continue
to advance more and more.
You don't want to get leftbehind, um.
(42:54):
But yeah, I definitely utilizeit, especially to create um
promo videos and, uh, like, Iput the concept of the book and
and ai and asked it to generatea cover just based on the theme
of the book, the bookdescription.
The image it came up with wasso hard like I'm like this is
(43:16):
fire like.
So I just pretty much just tookthat little mock and I gave it
to my book cover designer andasked her to recreate it and it
was like phenomenal.
So yeah, hey, I I feel like it'sa good tool.
I'm not against it, um, andit's even programs out there
that can.
Probably they can write a wholebook for you, like
(43:36):
30,000-something words.
You just give it a concept andwhat it is you want to talk
about within a book.
It'll write you a whole bookbased on what you feed it and
all you have to pay for thecopyrights or something like
that for it.
So it's crazy.
(43:56):
Technology has changed the game.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It has, it has.
And you know you have thepurist folks that say, well, you
know, you're supposed to sitdown at a typewriter and and
write and you're like, okay,well, that's what you did back
in 1970.
You pulled out a piece of paper,but that's not what Brian's
doing, that's not what Chester'sdoing, cause, why would I not
utilize a tool if I was able totake what's in my brain and help
(44:23):
me formulate it?
You know, as I think of thelast book that I wrote is is I,
you know I.
I said, okay, what's theoutline?
I already had an idea.
So I said take these concepts,put it in an outline.
That would be something thatother people would want to
respond to.
Right, because I'm not otherpeople, I'm me.
So, but if the AI knows whatother people are responding to
(44:46):
in this day and age, right.
I say help me understand what a30-year-old would like to read
in the way that their brain'sworking.
I'm 60, I'm not 30.
So how would I know how a30-year-old processes stuff?
But the AI does.
And so now and then I can say,okay.
So in this chapter, these arethe things that I'm trying to
(45:06):
say.
Put these in a way that makessense, and then help me with the
grammar.
Polish up the grammar so thatit reads well, boom, all right.
So now.
I have a chapter, but it's stillmy thought process.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I didn't say book right.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
You know why would I not do that?
Why would I try to do the stuffthat I'm not already good at
and then try to make it work andsay, well, I'm selling you this
book that doesn't make sense toyou because I don't know how to
write it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Technology has made everything a lot more achievable
, a lot more faster.
So it's like you can sit thereand complain about everything,
damn it.
If that's the case and, like Isaid, man, you just don't want
to get lost in the time.
As technology continues toevolve, there's going to be more
and more opportunities and more, more ways to make money, and
(46:00):
so to invest into something thatcan be the next bitcoin, be the
next whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
So it's like, hey, man, you better get with it,
because it's gonna leave youbehind and it's moving fast and
so, in your like, how is you'rein your coaching business and
you're finding people, how dopeople get to you to say, hey, I
would love to you know, figureout this process of being a
(46:26):
writer, cause you said lots ofpeople contact you and you know,
are you just saying, okay,here's my site, here's the, this
is what I'm, how I'm going towork with you.
Are you teaching, likeworkshops?
Are you doing webinars thatpeople can be a part of?
How are people finding you inorder to, you know, utilize you
as a coach or as a as a?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
uh, through word of mouth um in podcast interviews
that I do, um or uh podcastinterviews that I do, or social
media content that they find meand come across my service.
I'm hands-on, literally I'mwalking in and talking to you
(47:08):
through the entire process.
Once you get done, once we'reall finished, you'll know
exactly how to go about doingthis and you'll have the whole
blueprint, the whole sauce.
It's yours for the taking, todo what you want with it.
If you still need a secondopinion, for sure I'm still
going.
That door's always open.
(47:30):
I'm very hands-on with y'all,step by step, step by step.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Okay, yeah, I mean, it makes so much sense.
I want you to help me with thepodcasting side, because one of
the things that I do is I helppeople as a podcasting coach,
like I believe that everybodywho has a business, everybody
who wants to be a bettercommunicator, everybody who
wants to create leads and thatkind of stuff in this day and
(47:57):
age I can't remember the lastflyer that I put out, right, but
I think everybody can do apodcast and then teaching them
how to go through that process.
And you have utilized podcaststo help enhance your business.
You know and I'm thinking whenyou hear a word that says did
you monetize your podcast or isyour podcast making you money?
(48:18):
Maybe you can share ways thatthe podcast has helped you build
your book business, yourcoaching business, build your
mentoring business.
Because you're on a podcast,because you've decided I'm going
to go on podcast to be able todo it.
I don't know if you're saying Iwant to have 10,000 listeners
or 100,000 or a millionlisteners on my own podcast, but
(48:40):
you're utilizing the format ofa podcast to be able to enhance
your business.
How are you doing that?
What are some things thatyou're doing?
to allow podcasts to work.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
I've been able to reach a certain number of people
through my social media content, my word of mouth, my social
outings.
That's good.
That's only that amount ofpeople.
You know how many people thereare in the world.
I'm like man.
I got a lot of work to do, soit's like man internet so it's
like podcasts have.
(49:16):
Since COVID, podcasts havetaken off.
The world of podcasting hasgrown tremendously.
That's another piggybacking mypoint about not getting lost in
times like so.
Podcast is huge and somebodycame across man some dude I
can't remember where I cameacross from, but he was like
(49:38):
have you ever thought about himsaying be joint, being on
podcast as a guest to promoteyour book?
That's a great way to marketyour book.
You know what I'm saying?
All the different listeners Ithink he was trying to sell me a
package I can get you on tolike five.
I got you and you know what I'msaying For a certain amount and
I was like, ok, that soundscool, but I really don't feel
(49:59):
like spending that money just todo that school, but I really
don't feel like spending thatmoney just to do that um and
just networking at justdifferent events.
I came across another lady thatwas an author and I was telling
her about, um, yeah, I wanted toget into like podcast
interviews or like being a guestas a uh podcast.
And she was like oh yeah, youever heard of this site called
(50:21):
pot it?
I was like pot it, nah, she'slike okay, it's pretty much like
a platform where you can uhnetwork with podcast show hosts
to be a guest on their show topromote whatever you have going
on.
So I looked into it, signed up,did a couple interviews and
like a few days later they sentan email saying my day was being
bought out and it's been atransition to pod match.
(50:43):
So I was like, okay, we're justtransitioning over.
So, yeah, I've been doing thisthing for a minute now.
So I've been on well over 150different podcast shows and
that's just generating millionsand millions of listeners.
Yeah, I was like, as long aspeople rather you, look into
(51:07):
everything I got going on, aslong as you hear my name, you
hear 14 Days of Beijing, itregisters to you as something,
in fact, that's all marketing is.
You see advertisements forCoca-Cola on TV all the time.
That means you're going to goright there and there and go buy
a Coke.
No, but in the back of yourmind that means you're going to
go right there and there and gobuy a Coke.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
No, but in the back of your mind hey, when you see a
bottle and you go which oneCoke's?
The one that's in your mind,that's when you fall off the
shelf right the.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Coke project.
What they do.
You know what I'm saying isconstantly put in your face,
whether you choose toacknowledge it or not.
Politicians are a great exampleof that.
A lot of people vote.
A lot of people don't vote.
You have your interests andfolks you have your interests in
, and you have your disinterestsas well.
But regardless of the fact whoyou're interested in, who you're
(51:50):
disinterested in, you know whois running for what.
Because why?
But you see signs, you seeletters in the mail, they text
your phone, they call your phone, but they are putting it in
your face every which way,whether you choose to
acknowledge it or not.
I was like OK, thesepoliticians really beginning
when it comes to these ads, likemarketing what they got going
(52:12):
on.
You know who's running for whatand for what position, who they
are, all that OK for sure.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
So I just take that same approach the show, so I
just take that same approach no,I love that.
And the bottom line is, and likeyou were saying, if there's
somebody you're like myselfwho's saying I can coach you how
to get yourself on a podcast,get it monetized, do all these
things, you can find all thatinformation for free.
You can find all thatinformation looking and going
(52:40):
through YouTube video afterYouTube video of YouTube video.
The difference with me is I'mcollapsing timeframes, right,
and the difference with you isyou're collapsing timeframes
Like you've done, the formula,you know what works and you're
going to show them how to do itright away, instead of going
through the trial and error.
And I think that's like anybusiness, that or anything that
we're wanting to do or anythingthat we're wanting to put
(53:02):
together.
It's all about OK, how do I cando?
I want to do this fast or slow?
Do I want to do it withsomebody who already knows
what's doing or going around?
Well, the last thing I wouldlove for you to just kind of
talk about it, and you mentionedit in your story about.
You said I had faith to knowthat I would get through this.
Maybe you can just talk alittle bit about your faith and
how that's helped you throughoutyour whole process.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
I always had faith in God and I always trusted the
process and anything I did whenit came to trying to find a
school to play college ball at,and that manifested into wanting
to find not a dream job freshout of college, but like I
wanted to do something lit like,something that ain't nobody
doing and and that manifested,um, I knew 14 days was gonna
(53:54):
have success.
Uh, that manifested um, so, um,just trials and tribulations
and everything I wanted to do.
It was good and bad.
It came with it, and footballdefinitely it was a great tool
for overcoming adversity.
Adversity introduces a man tohimself and none of us know who
(54:18):
we are until we fail.
So my resilience to justcontinue to push through until
you keep your head up, chest out, um, and know that you're
saying you're good, you ain'tgonna, ain't gonna put you
through anything you can'thandle, um, so just trust the
process, man yeah, I love it,love it what did?
Speaker 2 (54:40):
we talk about?
I you know I'm selfish and Iasked you all the questions I
wanted to know.
But what is it?
You want to make sure peopleknow how to get all that stuff
that you would have, or anyother closing thought that you'd
want to make sure everybodygets as a result of being on the
podcast with me today.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Well, first of all, I just want to say shout out to
everybody that tuned in for thewhole episode.
Hey man, you're a real one.
Y'all can find me, just go.
Hey man, you're a real one.
Um, y'all can find me, just goto google.
Google, chancellor k jackson.
Everything you need will pop upfrom my website, social media
accounts, other interviews.
I've done my books um mycoaching service.
Y'all get at me um for uh, myspy authors, uh, just hit the
(55:21):
link in my uh on my website, inmy website.
Visit my website.
You can sign up for aconsultation.
Y'all can DM me on Instagram.
I'm very active on there and Ialso got a new book dropping
self-help book titled the Powerof Becoming Seven Pillars on
Growth and Empowerment.
It's not your typicalmotivational read, right?
(55:41):
It's more like a personalroadmap to wholeness centered
around seven core themes love,discernment, success, happiness,
adversity, healing andconfidence.
So I'm really excited to seehow the book does on the market
and really, just how do peoplerespond to it.
How do people respond to it um,so, yeah, I'll go get you
(56:05):
copies of the power of becomingdropping april 11th um and
aspiring authors man.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Get at me.
The power of becoming is the isthe name of the book, and it
just fits so much in becomingthe person that you need to be,
uh, in order to do the book thatI'm just writing, it's called
be do half right.
So it's all about being um,because it is because when we
think about who we are in ouridentity, our identity can get
wrapped up in so many things andwe spend all this time trying
(56:31):
to have stuff, trying to dostuff, but if we haven't become
that person yet, holy moly.
So I can't wait to get yourbook, I can't wait to order it
when it drops and be able toread it and go back in 14 days
of Beijing.
That I want to you know evenmore into what your thought
process was, because when yousee somebody who comes out the
(56:53):
other side, when you seesomebody you know because
there's somebody who probablygot arrested in Beijing before
you, there's probably somebodygot arrested in Beijing after
you and there's somebody who'snot doing as well as you're
doing as a result of how theytook on that experience and it
shaped their life and what theydo, and it would be great to
(57:14):
just see some people that kindof experienced what you did and
go well, okay, what madeChancellor so much different,
you know, and how he handled itand the circumstances and the
timing and all those things thatare part of it.
And so thank you for being on,thank you for, you know, maybe
one of your 151 or 152, whateverabout a podcast that you've
been on, because it's just, it'sbeen phenomenal.
(57:37):
And so, if you're watching thisand this is your first episode
that you watched so many reallygood ones that folks that have
taken adversity made their lifedifferent as a result of it and
aren't stuck as a result oftheir circumstances and I think
that's the key in all of this ishow do we continue to move
forward, how do we continue togrow and how do we, in your case
(58:01):
, be coming in the book that'sgetting ready to come out?
And so, you know, go ahead andhit the subscribe notifications.
Whatever the things that you doon YouTube or wherever you're
seeing this at, we'd love tohave you on for more Again,
chancellor, you have any closingthoughts?
One last closing thought thatyou would love to tell everybody
before we're out of here.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
So I'm going to leave you with a quote.
You know what I'm saying.
I love quotes.
It's a quote by Nipsey Hussle.
It goes long-winded, runningthrough this life like it was
mine, never settling but settingevery goal high, 1,000 burpees
on the path to my ownself-destruction or success.
But what is a mistake withoutthe lesson?
(58:41):
You see, the best teacher inlife is your own experience, and
none of us know who we areuntil we fail.
They say every person isdefined by their reaction to any
given situation.
Well, who would you want todefine you?
Someone else or yourself?
Whatever you choose to do,homie, get your heart to it and
stay strong.
Love it, love it, love it.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Don't forget your God's great gift.
He your heart to it and staystrong, Love it, love it, love
it.
Don't forget your God's greatgift.
He loves you if you love himtoo, and we'll talk to you on
the next one.
Have a great day.
It isn't real until you're actually in that
situation and it's a wholedifferent type of discomfort, to
say the least.
So as you're reading the book,it's like I wrote it in the
perspective that said you'rewalking through my eyes, you're
feeling all the anxiety, all theemotions.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey, welcome to another edition of the Journey
to Freedom podcast.
I am Dr B, I'm your host, justexcited, and, as I always am,
about just having conversationswith folks and finding out what
people are doing and how they'renot being stuck.
And you know, one of the thingsthat how important family is
(00:50):
and how important it is in ourlives and the things that we're
doing I just earlier today Idon't know, chesley, have you
ever heard of a guy named MyronGoldman?
But he is a business strategistand helps people become
multimillionaires, and so I wasable to interview him on the
podcast today and he kind ofjust talked about some of the
(01:10):
things that we do as individualsthat stop us from being able to
become the person we need to bein order to do what God put us
on the search to do.
So it was really cool to havehim on the show and kind of talk
about how he helps people, youknow, turn into the folks they
want to do.
But it's just, you know, youjust go wow, there's so many
(01:33):
people that are doing the thingright, making things happen,
making things work, and it'sjust so neat to be able to
interact with them and talk withthem and find out what people
are doing, because so many of us, especially in our culture, are
just searching.
We're saying, you know, theseare the circumstances that we've
been dealt.
This is you don't get to pickyour parents, you don't get to
(01:56):
pick your where you grow up, youdon't get to pick the
neighborhood you grow up in, andthen sometimes those outside
circumstances kind of hinder usa little bit into meeting that
purpose in life.
And so I'm glad that you're ontoday, glad that you're able to
spend some time with us and beable to talk about what it is
that you're doing, that's makinga difference in other people's
(02:18):
life.
And so I'm, like I do with allof our guests, I'm asking
Chancellor to go ahead and, um,you know, share his story, share
his life.
Then we'll chop it up afterthat with all the different
things that you might be able toidentify with or things that
you might be able to do in orderto make your life come to where
it needs to be.
And so thank you for being onthe show, thank you for taking
(02:39):
this time.
I know you're out of yournormal environment and spending
time with your family, and whichis always so cool, but then
sometimes you worry about stufflike well, is the internet going
to work or is the, you know, isthe lighting going to be the
right lighting?
And so just want you to knowyou look good.
I know you're a mom's house andyou know I don't know who's
going to walk back and forth,but it doesn't matter, cause we
(03:01):
got you here today, and so goahead and tell us your story and
we'll just go from there.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
All right, man, I appreciate you for having me on.
Chancellor K Jackson is thename.
Born and raised in Atlanta,georgia.
I played football for a portionof my life, so it's my identity
At least it is part of myidentity.
I played throughout high school, got the opportunity to play in
college, played all four yearsat Stetson University down in
(03:30):
Florida.
After I graduated from StetsonI landed my first job teaching
English to kids in China.
So I moved to China fresh outof college and was out there for
about six months.
I was supposed to do year um andcertain situations happened and
things went left um and cut mytime in half um, so I ended up
(03:51):
being arrested in china what, ohgod china, served 14 days there
and one of their penitentiaries, um, and then, once I was
released, I was immediatelydeported from the country, came
back to America, lost everything, just back to square one trying
to figure out what I'm going todo next and started writing the
(04:14):
book 14 Days in Beijing, whichis my best seller and pretty
much it's just a story of metelling everything that happened
within those 14 days.
I was incarcerated and it hadgreat success, and that led me
to write more books and startedmy publishing company and
(04:35):
coaching people through thewriting and publishing process.
Now I also coach high schoolfootball.
Currently I'm still workingeducation.
So yeah, man, it's been ajourney, to say the least.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh my gosh.
And so I'm sure you weren'texpecting to go to Beijing, and
obviously all the circumstancesthat happened around, and I
definitely want to talk aboutthat.
But before we do that, let'stalk a little bit about identity
, because you brought it up andit's something that I spent a
lot of time with my gueststalking about and you kind of
(05:09):
said you identified as afootball player or an athlete.
You know, was that?
You know, were you expecting togo play in the league?
I mean, were you expecting togo all the way through?
And you know, and then all of asudden that you know your
college career is over and nowyou're trying to figure out what
I'm going to do, or what didthat look like as you as an
(05:30):
individual, as a person that isjust trying to make life work.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So I didn't start playing football until eighth
grade.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
OK.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
For me to be from Georgia.
That's, that's not reallycommon.
You know, I'm saying Mostpeople have been playing
football since they was four orfive years old.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of catchingup to do as far as just learning
the game within itself.
But I always knew that I wantedto play college football,
division I college.
That was definitely anaspiration.
(06:03):
Of course, everybody has theend goals to make it to the
league one day, hopefully.
But most importantly, I wantedto play college ball.
So that was really my goal allthroughout high school.
That's what I worked towardsand I was able to accomplish
that just through my own sure,where I wasn't highly recruited
(06:25):
and had scouts hit me up orcontact me constantly.
Now in my school I played forhigh school.
We was trash back in the day,so we definitely wasn't.
I just wasn't putting in theeffort to market us either.
Oh my gosh, my freshman year Iwas just seeing class after
(06:51):
class.
Nobody's really going anywhere,especially for football.
So I was like, well, I got todo a little bit more due
diligence.
You know what I'm saying.
This is something I really wantto do.
I know, I got to put in a littlebit more work and, outside of
just playing on the field, I gotto market my own self.
That was my approach Emailingschool coaches, dming coaches on
(07:17):
Facebook, twitter the wholenine for months, for months,
applying to schools.
The coaches that I got acceptedinto.
I got for months, for monthsand I'm applying to schools here
.
The coaches that I was.
I got accepted into and I gotaccepted into Stetson.
I went to their camp over thesummer, so the coaches remember
me, sat down with them and nextthing I knew I was on the roster
(07:38):
.
So I made that of my own.
Sure will.
So I was.
It was cool Cause I'm like, yes, I'm like, I like I'm here now.
It's like I just got to showout.
Now, you just show up and showout, um.
But I realized around sophomoreyear that the league probably
wasn't going to be.
It wasn't going to.
You know what's going to happen, um, but I was like there's
(08:00):
something.
This is the main goal I reallywanted to do.
So I'm just gonna ride this outand then, once this comes to
the end, I'll figure it out onceI get there and once again,
what was this?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
did you play?
db okay, so you defensive backthe uh, my, I had a roommate in
college who, uh, was a track guy.
I was a track track athlete.
Okay, so he's my roommatebecause he was a discus thrower,
and after he that, after he wasfrom Nigeria and after his
country decided that he evenqualified for the Olympics in LA
in 84, and they wouldn't lethim throw because they said his
(08:32):
tribe wasn't one of the premiertribes or whatever.
He probably wasn't going to geta medal, and so we tried
football.
After his junior year incollege is when we tried
football.
Then he ended up going to theleague and then he was, like, I
think, his uh, rookie of theyear, and his next year he led
the league in in russia.
But he was just like you know,he did play football, but two
(08:54):
years before he's at the leagueand I don't think he loved it.
Be like that, though.
Um, so so your identity is kindof wrapped up, you know.
But you know, hey, this isprobably the four years it's
helped me pay for school, it'shelped me do it.
It sounded like you got prettygood grades and were able to
(09:17):
write.
So what did you major in?
What was your?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
uh communication and media studies.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Okay, so you're doing media studies, which is Then
part of the identity says, okay,I got to figure out something.
Then somebody recruits you tosay hey, how about teaching
English in China, you go.
Oh great idea.
What was the impetus forwanting to go to China?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
to teach English.
It's similar to me trying tofind a college to play ball at.
Okay, I don't really have awhole lot of experience as far
as my field of communication,but I know I'm a work ethic,
fast learner man.
You show me the ropes, I takeoff and run with it.
(10:02):
So I'm like I just needsomebody just willing to bet on
me.
And I was applying.
I started applying for jobs assoon as the season, like last
game of my senior year.
I started applying for jobsimmediately afterwards and I was
having success landinginterviews.
I'm talking about I'm gettingflown out to places put up in
(10:22):
hotels the whole nine, but I'mgetting about I'm getting flown
out places put up hotels thewhole nine but and getting told
no.
And these are all corporatepositions I was applying for.
But every interview, like you,if I really wanted it, I
couldn't get it just because myI lacked experience.
It's the excuse they keptgiving me.
Uh, but it's like y'all knew Ilacked experience when y'all saw
(10:44):
my resume before we said allthis.
So it's like you know what I'msaying.
It wasn't that shifted, but Iwas just like man, we've been
here before.
We got told no by hundreds andhundreds of schools before we
actually got a yes.
So we just got to keep going.
If we give up, we really ain'tgoing to accomplish anything.
(11:06):
Let's re-approach this jobsearching thing.
You've been trying to do thecorporate thing.
Clearly that might not be foryou.
Let's see what else is outthere.
What are you good at?
Working with people, talkingwith people?
I'm like, okay, that soundslike social work.
Just me going down this rabbithole to just social work.
I think I was on LinkedIn whenI was job searching and I saw a
(11:31):
tab to like searchinternationally.
So, with me doing that, becauseI'm like why am I just solely
focused on America?
Like I'm pretty sure there'sfar more opportunities around
the globe.
So I was like like, let me seewhat they got out there.
And that's when I seen, oh,teaching just kids in china.
I'm like that soundsinteresting, it sounds cool.
(11:51):
So I applied um, did theinterview, did second interview
and then, uh, it was the firstjob to tell me yes after eight
months of being told no.
You know.
Since, uh, it was the first jobto tell me yes after eight
months of being told no, youknow out of the world.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So I was like, okay, they really know if fans are
bust about it.
That's what we finna do, andthen boom.
So so it lands the job andthey're gonna fly you out there.
Before we jump into that, Iwant to just kind of so.
Now you, I'm jumping ahead,you're coming back, you can't
wait to get out of there, theycan't wait to have you out of
there.
And then you go okay, here's myexperience.
I have nothing, and then I'mgoing to try to write a book.
(12:31):
What kind of identity did youhave to change from who you were
then?
That said, maybe I should writea book about this?
Or was it just a story that youknew people would love and tell?
Or did you already feel like,hey, I'm a communication major,
I already know how to write,because you don't just jump into
being an author that can writea book, you know just because
you graduated from college.
(12:52):
So what kind of went on in yourbrain and said hey, I can
probably write a book?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
so it's interesting because, even though, yeah, my
degree is communication, I wrotea book, but growing up, writing
was never a strong suit of mineor anything that I enjoyed
doing.
It was always something schoolrelated, and even in high school
I don't even remember writingthat many essays.
So when I got to college, itwas a rude awakening.
I'm like hold on.
I had to do this in high school.
(13:18):
I got to write how many pagesis doing.
And this paper number one ofthe semester, it's due.
When, and this paper number oneof the semester, I said, boy,
this is gonna be.
But just, I always been astudent.
You know, I'm saying studentathlete first a student.
So just going to the writingcenter and just taking the time
(13:40):
to learn how to write properly,structure it, um, grammar, word
use, readability, all of that.
So just took it back to thefundamentals and just worked my
way up, but it still wasn'tnever anything I thought I would
ever do, until one day I washanging out with a good friend
of mine, which I grew up with.
His name is DeMarco Reddins.
He was a traditionallypublished author before we
(14:02):
graduated high school in 2014.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Okay.
So yeah, I was just kicking itwith him and he was like hey bro
, you think about writing a bookabout the experience?
I was like boy, that's a goodidea, cuz I knew I was.
I knew I wanted to do somethingwith story.
I'm like this is crazy.
Yeah, it is, and I made it out,but I just didn't know how I
wanted to go about telling.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So he put that book on, yeah in my ear I'm like okay
, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's a great idea.
I still don't even know whereto start, but that's a good idea
.
But he took it even further.
He took my phone, went to mynotes section, left me a little
outline and I just startedfilling in the outline and by me
doing that I figured out how Iwanted to go about telling the
story.
So it.
(14:46):
So I moved my phone to googledoc so I could finish typing it
up, and took me about fourmonths to write, and then the
next six months after that wasjust getting ready for
publishing.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Did you, um, like you know, for the books that I
wrote, because I, you know, Iwas told I was a special ed kid
and you know could write andstuff, so I used like google
talk and I talked and I spoke mywhole book.
I didn't, you know, all threespoke my whole book.
Were you actually typing andtrying to do all the grammar and
having somebody look at it?
What was your writing processto be able to get the stuff out
of your head as quickly as youcould to the pages?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'll be telling how I coach people to just get the
story on paper at first.
It depends on if you like tohandwrite or if you like to type
Me.
I'm going to type it becauseit's going to end up on the
computer anyway.
That's just faster.
Tell them to write it like you.
Think about it, as if you weresending a text message to one of
(15:38):
your closest friends orwhatever.
Write it like you're sending along text message how you you
would your natural tongue.
Don't worry about no spellinganything correctly.
Use all the expressions, emojis.
Don't worry about nopunctuation like.
Write it literally like a longtext message, just to get.
You can always go back onceit's all.
(15:59):
Once you got it all down, thenyou can go back and fine tone it
.
You know what I'm saying, butjust to hurry up and get it down
, man write it like a textmessage because you try to focus
on the grammar and thepunctuation while you're going.
That's going to slow you up andsometimes it might demotivate
you because it's taking theprocess longer and longer.
So it's like man, that's true.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's a very good point to make for folks.
You know like that, so I don't.
I don't type my text messageseither, so it's easy for me just
to talk it to.
You know, my text messages exactsame thing, hey.
But how you doing, you know,just talking straight into it
and let the, let the uh, ai orwhatever it is, put it into the
right.
Uh, at least spell all thewords right, and all that kind
(16:40):
of stuff.
So that's really cool.
So then in your next six monthsthen you are figuring out how
to get it published.
Now, did you just find apublisher to self-publish or
were you searching for differentpublishers?
What was kind of the processthere?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I honestly didn't know how I was going to go about
publishing it.
I was doing step-by-step.
I got the book written andedited, all right.
So now let's get the cover.
All right, boom, got the cover.
Title, book description.
But in the process of doing allof this, I'm like, okay, I
honestly don't know how I'mgoing to publish this thing, but
I'm just like I feel likesomething is going to come to me
(17:19):
you know what I'm saying whenit's time.
And I was telling him to havethe same conversation with one
of my other friends.
He was working for Amazon atthe time and one random day he
sent me a link to Kindle'sdirect publishing through Amazon
.
So he sent me that link.
He's like, bro, I don't knowwhat this is, but I feel like it
might be beneficial.
(17:39):
And I'm looking through it andI'm like this is exactly how
we're going to publish this bookfor sure.
And it's like the ideal way.
Honestly, it aligns witheverything that I'm on right now
Just independency, owning myown rights, my own product, just
straight ownership.
So I was like, ok, for sure,this is exactly how we're going
(18:01):
to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So that's how I went about publishing.
Yeah, I did.
I agree, I thinkself-publishing is is the way to
go.
Uh, when you think about youknow, unless you just haven't
published, getting ready to dropa million dollars in your
pocket or something like that toget it going, they're going to
do a lot of work, uh, butthere's just something about
going through the whole processthat you're doing, that you're
uh making sure that you knowyou're you're crossing all your
(18:24):
your t's and you're doing that.
You're making sure that you'recrossing all your T's and you're
dotting all your I's.
And there's help out there.
There's books, there's peoplewho've done it before us that
can go out and kind of show youthe pathway, and so that's why
your identity is changing right,because now you're a guy.
Wait, I'm a real author.
I'm a real.
You know this stuff is reallygoing to happen.
(18:44):
And then now give me a talk alittle bit about your belief
system.
Now that you've written thebook, you're going through the
process of publishing it.
Are you believing likeeverybody's going to want to
hear, everybody's going to wantto read this book, this book,
are you going?
I hope somebody, I will give itto my mom, I'm going to give it
to my cousins and everybodyelse.
I'm going to give it to my mom,I'm going to give it to my
(19:07):
cousins and everybody else andhopefully they'll give it.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
What was your marketing thought process of?
Now I'm an author who's goingto actually buy my book and read
it, I knew, I felt in my spirit.
I'm like this is a good story.
I don't know what type of impactit's going to have.
But anytime I was hanging outwith somebody, I was just
sliding my laptop, you know,saying on page one or whatever,
and I was like I just read alittle bit of this tim, which
then that's giving no contextwhat it is like.
(19:35):
Just read this little, readthis, let me know what you think
of it.
Just a little bit, a few pages.
Next thing, I know 15, 20minutes to pass, they still
ain't gave me the laptop back.
So I'm like, okay, and I keptdoing that with different people
.
You know I'm saying okay, I gotsomething on my hand for sure.
So I'm like it's going, it'sgoing to make some noise.
But, um, literally where I justlike I said, I always
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identified as a student athlete,so that's how most people
always saw me.
So for me to jump now.
Then I got a whole new identity.
I'm coming out with a book thatcaught people from man out of
left field and just peaked atthat time to say everything went
in the shutdown so it was likedivine timing.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, everybody needs to read.
Somebody needs to.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Fine timing, and it really was.
I just like, I'm just gonnachange my entire social, all my
social media platforms, to thebook.
I'm gonna just like that andjust promote it.
You know what I'm saying?
Post it on my page.
Dm folks uh messaging people,uh telling about the book.
Um running ads.
(20:48):
Hitting up uh instagraminfluencers to do promos with
the book, or people that have uma platform or a name for
themselves, reviewing books.
We talk to them too.
You know how much you'recharged for a review.
When I was getting it everywhich way, every which way, no
cap um podcast interviewsstarted getting said I was
(21:11):
heavily um so it's just once thebook dropped, I was ranked
number one in three differentgenres.
Um, it was just crazy, crazybuzz.
You couldn't tell me it wasgoing to happen like that.
I knew it was going to be agood story, I knew people were
going to enjoy it, but I didn'tthink it was going to have that
type of impact that passed thatquickly.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I think most people that write books borderline.
They can truly be an authoronce they sell 500 copies
because you know out of you know90% of the books that are
published.
That's what most of them don'teven sell a copy.
How quickly did you get to 500?
(21:55):
Was it like within your firstfive weeks?
First two months, first day.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I would say I'd probably say in the first month
with, because I originally brokethe entire book down into a
series of short stories.
So the original version, 14Days in Beijing, is only like 37
pages.
That's the one that went thecraziest.
(22:21):
Really Okay, the one that wentthe craziest Like.
But like each and I dropped theother books, like part two,
part three, part four,periodically throughout the rest
of the year.
Just, I'm like I already donechopped it down.
This mom might as well continueto just spoon feed and this all
was freestyle, by the way, likenone of this was planned, we
was just man putting it up as wewas going.
(22:44):
But yeah, I feel like, with medoing that and chopping the book
up, it definitely helped withthe momentum and yeah, man, it
(23:07):
was just crazy.
That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
So I know I've been teasing you guys and I haven't
let you hear the story yet.
Everybody's just watching thisgoing well what happened?
What happened?
What happened?
So maybe you could just give usthe you know the cliff note
version.
So they'll get the book, youread it.
So look at the whole thing.
So they'll get the book, youread it, but they'll get the
whole thing.
So you leave college, you getan English teaching job in
Beijing, you head over to Chinahow long before?
(23:33):
Yeah, I'll just let you tellthe story in your own words, the
way that you've done it,because I know people are
chopping it to bits.
Why do you keep asking about it?
I don't know about being anauthor.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I want to know what happened.
I entered China on October 10,2018.
I moved to the east side ofBeijing once after my two weeks
of training and I found myapartment.
My school is literally like across street for me and it's 14
floor humongous mall called JoyCity.
I lived in the businessdistrict, so it's a nice little
(24:09):
area, very vibrant, had a lot oflights.
A lot of life Like China wasprobably China is still the best
experience I've.
A lot of life Like China wasprobably China is still the best
experience I've ever had in mylife.
I was out there, like I said, Iwas supposed to do a full year.
I was out there for six months,having the time of my life and
enjoying teaching, exploringChina, exploring the locals as
(24:34):
well as the other foreignersthat were out there.
And on April 4th 2019, that'swhen things take a turn and I'm
pretty much arrested inside ofmy apartment after I was drug
tested right there on the spot.
After the police showed up tomy apartment at random drug test
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me right there on the spot,failed the drug test.
Next thing I know the cuffs areon me.
I don't know what's going on,what's going to happen next, and
it's just a journey fromprecinct to precinct until we
get to the active jail where I'mhoused and I'm locked up for 24
hours a day, seven days a week.
15 men to one cell, nine woodenbeds, three soups a day and all
(25:21):
I had was a plastic bowl and aplastic spoon.
Nothing was explained to me asfar as how this process works.
I don't know how long I'm goingto be in here.
I made a cell with about 14other Chinese men, so there's no
formal communication whatsoever.
14 other Chinese men, sothere's no formal communication
whatsoever.
But my faith is strong and myhead is high and I'm embracing
(25:46):
and ready for whatever is aboutto occur along this journey.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And so you don't even know why they arrested you.
You just know that they pickedyou up and took you into pretty
much like yeah, I'm just notlike.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
No form of communication is existing, so I
don't know what's going on, butI'm just following directions
and are they speaking in englishat this point?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
it is pointing what are.
What are they doing?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It was an English speaker.
It was only one cop that spokeEnglish that was asking me about
failing the drug test andquestioning me about all of that
.
Once the cops are on me, Idon't even know if he goes.
He just disappears.
The rest of the officers I'mwith don't speak English at all,
at least I don't know.
(26:37):
They're not talking to me.
I'm not talking to them, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then the charges and everything did that.
Finally, even when you left,you still don't.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I don't know what my charges were.
My documents that they made mesign the thumbprint are written
in Mandarin, so I can't readthem.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
They're making you sign them and you're like I have
no idea what I'm even signingwhat I'm doing, what's?
Happening.
So these 14 days, your faith,you're in this, you know, cell
with other chinese men.
They are they leaving in andout, or is it just the same 14,
the whole time that you're there?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
everybody's rotating, rotating, like leaving, but I'm
like, okay, I seem to be theonly one that's still here.
It's even funny, like on thethird day, like 13, no, 12
people were released, so it'slike three of us in the cell.
We like I know they're notgoing to just leave it in the
cell by ourselves, but then theycame and got us and they moved
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us to a new cell.
That's like a few doors down.
In that new cell I'm immersedwith three other foreigners, two
of them that speak English.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Now you can at least have conversations.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Day four, I finally get to talk to somebody and
learn about how the jail worksand the rules, and learn about
these folks backgrounds, wherethey from, and now I can
communicate with the locals aswell.
So it's like you learn aboutall these different stories, all
these different walks of life.
But you know, I'm saying we alljust go existing in this one
space that we don't leave now,were you there for the next 10
(28:11):
days or did?
okay, that was in that cell yeah, yeah, further, further, two
days, and then all of a sudden,they come and say it's time to
go.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
literally like just they call them out, like they
like waving me to come here.
I'm like what y'all, I'mconfused, like what y'all want
and now you just keep doing likethis and one of the uh inmates
like everybody telling you to go.
It's time to go.
Grab my bone, grab my spoon dabto everybody, walk straight at
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the door.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
At the door.
They take you straight to theairport, or do you have to
figure out how to get thereyourself?
Yeah, yeah, or what's the?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
They take me to my apartment to grab the rest of my
things, and then straight tothe airport.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
They put you on a plane, so you're not paying for
a ticket.
They was like you're out.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I had to find somebody to buy a ticket for me.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Oh really, Were they just going to leave you in the
airport?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
or what.
On day seven you brought allthe foreigners down.
They allowed us to contactpeople that we knew to see who
could buy us a plane ticket ifthey could, and we had to give
that contact.
Knew to see who could buy us aplane ticket and if they could,
then we'd have to get thatcontact information.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Gotcha, so they'd fit that all up before you even
left.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So you fly back home, get off the plane?
Are there any issues in the USthat they're saying I'm just
back home?
It doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It doesn't happen If.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I had written this, nobody would have known this
happened to me, but you're notgoing back to China.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I wouldn't just go out of there on a limb If
opportunity presented itself.
Yeah, most definitely.
I feel everything full circleand I would definitely document
it.
Just more marketing for thebook, so yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So, um, just just more marketing for the book.
So, yeah, okay.
So now the book.
You put the book.
What are some of the things inthe book that you talk about
that are intriguing folks to towant to get the book because
they want to find out whathappened, and it sounds like
there wasn't.
You know, like, is it what'sgoing through your mind?
Is it you know whether what'sthe premise of the book?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
yeah um I guess it's just like most people are always
curious about traveling abroadsomewhere and this unfortunate
circumstance happens to you.
You hear about it before itshows.
Locked up abroad, it's alwayssomething that's you always know
that could happen, but itactually does happen.
It isn't real until you'reactually in that situation and
(30:39):
it's a whole different type ofdiscomfort, to say the least.
Um, so, as you're reading thebook, it's like I wrote it in
the perspective, as if you'rewalking through it through my
eyes.
Um, you feeling all the anxiety,all the emotions, the
anticipation of what and thecuriosity of, okay, what's going
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to happen next, like, how do weget out of this situation?
And you just learn.
You're using everything you canjust within your confinement to
try to piece all this stufftogether the best you can,
because you don't even know.
But, ironically enough,everybody else in the cell knows
how much time they have.
Uh, who knows what theirspecific charges are?
(31:22):
You know what I'm saying.
Everybody know all theirdetails to the to the fullest,
how I get left out.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm the only one that don'tknow what's going on.
Um, so it's just, it's just avery interesting reason to see
what's the process like of, youknow, being in jail in Beijing.
You know, I'm saying just thatcuriosity, and then you just
learn a lot of this about theculture of China as well, and
(31:45):
then, of course, about myculture and the different
cultures, because the two of theforeigners one was a Chinese
American from California, theother one was Brazilian from
Brazil.
So you get to learn about theircultures and their journeys
along, uh, you know saying life,and what led them up all the
way up until this point, uh, towhere we're closest and in the
cell, um, so yeah, it's a it'san interesting, interesting read
(32:08):
, for sure did you think youwere going to be there for the
rest of your life?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I mean, was there some point where you just, like
I might, might be here for?
Or you just or?
You knew you were short termfrom the beginning?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Uh, I didn't know how long I was going to be in that
situation.
Um, I knew I was going to begood, though I said, when it's
all said and done, I'm going tobe good.
I just don't know how, how.
But a one accountability.
I made choices.
I knew the repercussions fromit, so this is something I had
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to take to the chin.
So, with that being said, justtrust the process.
You know, saying no to say youand you, everything will be all
right.
Take note of every minor detail, because it's going to be a
great story to say I want you topredict.
I literally said that toyourself.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You said that to yourself.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, and when I was at the first precinct I said
that to myself it's going to bea great story, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Was that the first time you'd ever been in anything
like that?
You're a black man in Atlanta,man.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
You never had no issues whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
That was the very first time somebody showed up
and then, and then how do youknow how you got turned in or
how they got your name around?
That's never been in themystery life.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
A lot of people just come up with their own
conclusions, so that you havesaying so, this is the book is?
It's a mystery?
At the same time, I didn't knowwhat was going on.
It was unfolding.
I'm sure you still don'tExactly, so it's like it's still
a mystery.
It's still a mystery.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh, my gosh so now you come back home.
You've missed this ordeal.
You spent 14 days and now youhave to figure out life back at
home in Atlanta.
You said you came back likenothing ever happened.
Well, if nothing ever happened,you still didn't have a job,
you still didn't have an income,you still didn't have a way to
support yourself.
And I can't imagine there wasany money left from what you
(34:06):
were doing in Beijing and maybea little bit, that you your last
paycheck or something.
So now what do you do?
You've been through thisexperience.
It's got to be traumatic, tosay the least.
Now you've got to get goingagain.
You've got to pick yourself up.
What does that look?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
like it was a process .
It was a process.
I was already in the hat.
I got experience in education,teaching kids.
Not only was I just teachingkids, I was teaching kids on the
other side of the world.
I feel like that's going toopen up opportunities for me, so
I'm like I can get in.
(34:42):
I'm going to continue toexplore that.
But at that point in time itwas closing in on the end of the
school year, so I knew I wasgoing to have to wait until the
following school year foranything to any opportunities to
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be available.
So within that time I was justtaking time to just travel,
explore, be with self, soulsearch and worked out a lot.
I worked out a lot.
I worked out a lot.
You know what I'm saying?
I had so much time on my handsand just trying to figure
something out.
And then once DeMarco was like,put the bug in my ear about
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writing the book, hey, that justtook everything to a whole
nother level.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Now is there other things that you're doing?
You said you're coachingfootball high school football
and then is you just a writernow, or what Like?
What is your days in your lifelook like now that you've had
this experience?
You've come back, you've beenable to write a pretty
successful book.
What's that identity look likefor you now that are in your
(35:55):
future.
You now that, or in your futurewhat you want to happen.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I've been, of course, with the success of 14 Days.
I got asked countless timesabout the writing and publishing
process.
It was surprising to me theamount of people that have
aspirations to write and publisha book.
This wasn't something I alwayswanted to do.
It was just an idea I was givenand I just took it and publish
a book.
This wasn't something I alwayswanted to do.
It was just an idea I was givenand I just took it and ran with
(36:20):
it.
But to see that there's a lotof people this is something that
they truly, truly want to dobut just don't know how to go
about doing it.
I've worked with countlesspeople, countless people with
just trying to encourage themand just work with them through
the writing and publishingprocess.
Only two people saw the wholeprocess through One 30-year-old,
(36:43):
30-something-year-old dude.
At the time his book went numberone and the other one was at
the time she was 15 years old,15-year-old girl in high school
and hers went crazy.
She went crazy.
Hers was number one for likenine straight days.
Um, so I knew I was okay.
They let me know right then,and there I said okay, I got a
(37:05):
nice little formula how I goabout doing it.
Um, it works because I work formyself and I also work for
these two other individuals.
So it's like, okay, we canprobably turn this into
something.
So just turn it to a servicecoaching people through the
writing, the publishing process,um, so this sort of shifted
into that, um, that aspect ofthe coaching side of it and the
(37:29):
teaching, training, coachingside of.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Why do you think of all the people that have
aspirations, all the people whowant to get something done, only
a few?
I mean, it's like this ineverything but in the world that
you're in.
Why do you think it is thatpeople don't want to push
through?
They have these intentions, butthey don't push through Fear,
(37:52):
fear, fear of what if it works,or fear of it's not going to
work.
That's talked to me and told methat I'm not going to be able
to do it both.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
A lot of people don't have confidence in themselves
or anything that they mightcreate, so it's just something
that they have to work with andovercome.
Like to make things morecomplex than they actually are,
like anything is impossible, butit's like, yeah, if you take
the time out to learn, you putin the work.
(38:25):
Yeah, you can, you can see it,you can accomplish the same
thing.
But a lot of people be in theirown way.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
What do you think separated you?
What made you be able to pushthrough man?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I'm just cut.
I'm cut like this Thoroughbredfor sure.
Always been, Always been.
I prove it to them time andtime again.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I'm loving having this conversation because
there's something that separatesthe 20 percenters and then the
two percenters and it's, youknow, the folks that continue to
always win, compared to the fewthat just talk about people who
always win and then havereasons.
And you know, I guesscomplaints or excuses, I guess,
(39:15):
is the word I'm looking for asto why it's not working for them
, and just trying to unpack andunlock that.
And you said it's just, it'sjust who you are.
You know what, when you seesomebody because now you're
coaching people and you seesomebody who's not you know and
you're trying to help them,whether it's football or whether
it's you're writing you'retrying to help them and you're
just like you're frustratedbecause they can't get out of
(39:40):
their own way.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Man, everybody learns differently.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I take it back to when we all went to school.
You know what I'm saying.
We've been in class with thesame amount of people for a
whole semester.
You know what I'm saying.
So you've seen it and you'veseen the different learning
abilities amongst your peers.
You see how everybody this manneed to be hands-on with it.
He can just hit it, he pick itup.
(40:06):
This person got to see it.
Uh, you know I'm sayingeverybody got their own learning
style.
Some people can pick things upa whole lot faster than others.
Um, and same with coaching aswell.
Some players don't respond tothe rah, rah, harsh criticism.
You know what I'm saying.
All down your throat type ofcoaching.
They shut down.
You know what I'm saying.
(40:27):
So some of them, you just gotto just pull them to the side
and talk to them in a calm, cool, collected voice.
You just got to cater yourability to teach based on the
student so does your formulawork for all these different
learning styles?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
you just have to find which way to plug in that
formula.
Or is your formula specificallyfor, like, a certain type of?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
person.
Uh, so far I work with people,all different walks of life, um,
different abilities, um, like Ihad some.
I had worked with a lady ohyeah, her book's gonna uh
publish soon.
It's gonna drop soon too.
So, nurse, she worked her wayfrom the cna all the way up to
the rn and now she's teachingclasses to get your uh
(41:14):
certifications.
So she wrote a book about thatwhole journey and when I was
working with her, getting itdown on paper, she did like you.
Like once we discovered thetext-to-speech oh man, that
changed the game.
Like that was slowing her up alot just trying to type
everything, like she had to haveher daughter type it up.
So, yeah, when she discoveredthe text-to-spe, discovered that
(41:37):
text to speech oh man, what,she knocked that book out like
that then.
Um, so there's little aspectslike that, just having to try
different things, see what worksfor who.
Um, but I'm very hands-on witheverybody that I work with.
Like, I'm right there by yourside now if you start to slow up
.
I'm encouraging you to keepgoing forward.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I can't want it more than you want it, though, at the
end of the day, it's huge, butI'm right there behind you,
though.
I'm right there behind you.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
AI is around now for publishers, writers, that kind
of stuff.
How are you utilizing it as atool?
Are you trying to tell peopleto stay away from it?
What's your viewpoint as aauthor on how AI can help this
process?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's a great tool.
I feel like people that aretrying to shy away from it.
I mean, it's going to beinevitable eventually it's going
to be inevitable.
So get on with it now.
Learn it now, becausetechnology is going to continue
to advance more and more.
You don't want to get leftbehind, um.
(42:54):
But yeah, I definitely utilizeit, especially to create um
promo videos and, uh, like, Iput the concept of the book and
and ai and asked it to generatea cover just based on the theme
of the book, the bookdescription.
The image it came up with wasso hard like I'm like this is
(43:16):
fire like.
So I just pretty much just tookthat little mock and I gave it
to my book cover designer andasked her to recreate it and it
was like phenomenal.
So yeah, hey, I I feel like it'sa good tool.
I'm not against it, um, andit's even programs out there
that can.
Probably they can write a wholebook for you, like
(43:36):
30,000-something words.
You just give it a concept andwhat it is you want to talk
about within a book.
It'll write you a whole bookbased on what you feed it and
all you have to pay for thecopyrights or something like
that for it.
So it's crazy.
(43:56):
Technology has changed the game.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It has, it has.
And you know you have thepurist folks that say, well, you
know, you're supposed to sitdown at a typewriter and and
write and you're like, okay,well, that's what you did back
in 1970.
You pulled out a piece of paper,but that's not what Brian's
doing, that's not what Chester'sdoing, cause, why would I not
utilize a tool if I was able totake what's in my brain and help
(44:23):
me formulate it?
You know, as I think of thelast book that I wrote is is I,
you know I.
I said, okay, what's theoutline?
I already had an idea.
So I said take these concepts,put it in an outline.
That would be something thatother people would want to
respond to.
Right, because I'm not otherpeople, I'm me.
So, but if the AI knows whatother people are responding to
(44:46):
in this day and age, right.
I say help me understand what a30-year-old would like to read
in the way that their brain'sworking.
I'm 60, I'm not 30.
So how would I know how a30-year-old processes stuff?
But the AI does.
And so now and then I can say,okay.
So in this chapter, these arethe things that I'm trying to
(45:06):
say.
Put these in a way that makessense, and then help me with the
grammar.
Polish up the grammar so thatit reads well, boom, all right.
So now.
I have a chapter, but it's stillmy thought process.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I didn't say book right.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
You know why would I not do that?
Why would I try to do the stuffthat I'm not already good at
and then try to make it work andsay, well, I'm selling you this
book that doesn't make sense toyou because I don't know how to
write it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Technology has made everything a lot more achievable
, a lot more faster.
So it's like you can sit thereand complain about everything,
damn it.
If that's the case and, like Isaid, man, you just don't want
to get lost in the time.
As technology continues toevolve, there's going to be more
and more opportunities and more, more ways to make money, and
(46:00):
so to invest into something thatcan be the next bitcoin, be the
next whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
So it's like, hey, man, you better get with it,
because it's gonna leave youbehind and it's moving fast and
so, in your like, how is you'rein your coaching business and
you're finding people, how dopeople get to you to say, hey, I
would love to you know, figureout this process of being a
(46:26):
writer, cause you said lots ofpeople contact you and you know,
are you just saying, okay,here's my site, here's the, this
is what I'm, how I'm going towork with you.
Are you teaching, likeworkshops?
Are you doing webinars thatpeople can be a part of?
How are people finding you inorder to, you know, utilize you
as a coach or as a as a?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
uh, through word of mouth um in podcast interviews
that I do, um or uh podcastinterviews that I do, or social
media content that they find meand come across my service.
I'm hands-on, literally I'mwalking in and talking to you
(47:08):
through the entire process.
Once you get done, once we'reall finished, you'll know
exactly how to go about doingthis and you'll have the whole
blueprint, the whole sauce.
It's yours for the taking, todo what you want with it.
If you still need a secondopinion, for sure I'm still
going.
That door's always open.
(47:30):
I'm very hands-on with y'all,step by step, step by step.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Okay, yeah, I mean, it makes so much sense.
I want you to help me with thepodcasting side, because one of
the things that I do is I helppeople as a podcasting coach,
like I believe that everybodywho has a business, everybody
who wants to be a bettercommunicator, everybody who
wants to create leads and thatkind of stuff in this day and
(47:57):
age I can't remember the lastflyer that I put out, right, but
I think everybody can do apodcast and then teaching them
how to go through that process.
And you have utilized podcaststo help enhance your business.
You know and I'm thinking whenyou hear a word that says did
you monetize your podcast or isyour podcast making you money?
(48:18):
Maybe you can share ways thatthe podcast has helped you build
your book business, yourcoaching business, build your
mentoring business.
Because you're on a podcast,because you've decided I'm going
to go on podcast to be able todo it.
I don't know if you're saying Iwant to have 10,000 listeners
or 100,000 or a millionlisteners on my own podcast, but
(48:40):
you're utilizing the format ofa podcast to be able to enhance
your business.
How are you doing that?
What are some things thatyou're doing?
to allow podcasts to work.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
I've been able to reach a certain number of people
through my social media content, my word of mouth, my social
outings.
That's good.
That's only that amount ofpeople.
You know how many people thereare in the world.
I'm like man.
I got a lot of work to do, soit's like man internet so it's
like podcasts have.
(49:16):
Since COVID, podcasts havetaken off.
The world of podcasting hasgrown tremendously.
That's another piggybacking mypoint about not getting lost in
times like so.
Podcast is huge and somebodycame across man some dude I
can't remember where I cameacross from, but he was like
(49:38):
have you ever thought about himsaying be joint, being on
podcast as a guest to promoteyour book?
That's a great way to marketyour book.
You know what I'm saying?
All the different listeners Ithink he was trying to sell me a
package I can get you on tolike five.
I got you and you know what I'msaying For a certain amount and
I was like, ok, that soundscool, but I really don't feel
(49:59):
like spending that money just todo that school, but I really
don't feel like spending thatmoney just to do that um and
just networking at justdifferent events.
I came across another lady thatwas an author and I was telling
her about, um, yeah, I wanted toget into like podcast
interviews or like being a guestas a uh podcast.
And she was like oh yeah, youever heard of this site called
(50:21):
pot it?
I was like pot it, nah, she'slike okay, it's pretty much like
a platform where you can uhnetwork with podcast show hosts
to be a guest on their show topromote whatever you have going
on.
So I looked into it, signed up,did a couple interviews and
like a few days later they sentan email saying my day was being
bought out and it's been atransition to pod match.
(50:43):
So I was like, okay, we're justtransitioning over.
So, yeah, I've been doing thisthing for a minute now.
So I've been on well over 150different podcast shows and
that's just generating millionsand millions of listeners.
Yeah, I was like, as long aspeople rather you, look into
(51:07):
everything I got going on, aslong as you hear my name, you
hear 14 Days of Beijing, itregisters to you as something,
in fact, that's all marketing is.
You see advertisements forCoca-Cola on TV all the time.
That means you're going to goright there and there and go buy
a Coke.
No, but in the back of yourmind that means you're going to
go right there and there and gobuy a Coke.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
No, but in the back of your mind hey, when you see a
bottle and you go which oneCoke's?
The one that's in your mind,that's when you fall off the
shelf right the.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Coke project.
What they do.
You know what I'm saying isconstantly put in your face,
whether you choose toacknowledge it or not.
Politicians are a great exampleof that.
A lot of people vote.
A lot of people don't vote.
You have your interests andfolks you have your interests in
, and you have your disinterestsas well.
But regardless of the fact whoyou're interested in, who you're
(51:50):
disinterested in, you know whois running for what.
Because why?
But you see signs, you seeletters in the mail, they text
your phone, they call your phone, but they are putting it in
your face every which way,whether you choose to
acknowledge it or not.
I was like OK, thesepoliticians really beginning
when it comes to these ads, likemarketing what they got going
(52:12):
on.
You know who's running for whatand for what position, who they
are, all that OK for sure.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
So I just take that same approach the show, so I
just take that same approach no,I love that.
And the bottom line is, and likeyou were saying, if there's
somebody you're like myselfwho's saying I can coach you how
to get yourself on a podcast,get it monetized, do all these
things, you can find all thatinformation for free.
You can find all thatinformation looking and going
(52:40):
through YouTube video afterYouTube video of YouTube video.
The difference with me is I'mcollapsing timeframes, right,
and the difference with you isyou're collapsing timeframes
Like you've done, the formula,you know what works and you're
going to show them how to do itright away, instead of going
through the trial and error.
And I think that's like anybusiness, that or anything that
we're wanting to do or anythingthat we're wanting to put
(53:02):
together.
It's all about OK, how do I cando?
I want to do this fast or slow?
Do I want to do it withsomebody who already knows
what's doing or going around?
Well, the last thing I wouldlove for you to just kind of
talk about it, and you mentionedit in your story about.
You said I had faith to knowthat I would get through this.
Maybe you can just talk alittle bit about your faith and
how that's helped you throughoutyour whole process.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
I always had faith in God and I always trusted the
process and anything I did whenit came to trying to find a
school to play college ball at,and that manifested into wanting
to find not a dream job freshout of college, but like I
wanted to do something lit like,something that ain't nobody
doing and and that manifested,um, I knew 14 days was gonna
(53:54):
have success.
Uh, that manifested um, so, um,just trials and tribulations
and everything I wanted to do.
It was good and bad.
It came with it, and footballdefinitely it was a great tool
for overcoming adversity.
Adversity introduces a man tohimself and none of us know who
(54:18):
we are until we fail.
So my resilience to justcontinue to push through until
you keep your head up, chest out, um, and know that you're
saying you're good, you ain'tgonna, ain't gonna put you
through anything you can'thandle, um, so just trust the
process, man yeah, I love it,love it what did?
Speaker 2 (54:40):
we talk about?
I you know I'm selfish and Iasked you all the questions I
wanted to know.
But what is it?
You want to make sure peopleknow how to get all that stuff
that you would have, or anyother closing thought that you'd
want to make sure everybodygets as a result of being on the
podcast with me today.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Well, first of all, I just want to say shout out to
everybody that tuned in for thewhole episode.
Hey man, you're a real one.
Y'all can find me, just go.
Hey man, you're a real one.
Um, y'all can find me, just goto google.
Google, chancellor k jackson.
Everything you need will pop upfrom my website, social media
accounts, other interviews.
I've done my books um mycoaching service.
Y'all get at me um for uh, myspy authors, uh, just hit the
(55:21):
link in my uh on my website, inmy website.
Visit my website.
You can sign up for aconsultation.
Y'all can DM me on Instagram.
I'm very active on there and Ialso got a new book dropping
self-help book titled the Powerof Becoming Seven Pillars on
Growth and Empowerment.
It's not your typicalmotivational read, right?
(55:41):
It's more like a personalroadmap to wholeness centered
around seven core themes love,discernment, success, happiness,
adversity, healing andconfidence.
So I'm really excited to seehow the book does on the market
and really, just how do peoplerespond to it.
How do people respond to it um,so, yeah, I'll go get you
(56:05):
copies of the power of becomingdropping april 11th um and
aspiring authors man.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Get at me.
The power of becoming is the isthe name of the book, and it
just fits so much in becomingthe person that you need to be,
uh, in order to do the book thatI'm just writing, it's called
be do half right.
So it's all about being um,because it is because when we
think about who we are in ouridentity, our identity can get
wrapped up in so many things andwe spend all this time trying
(56:31):
to have stuff, trying to dostuff, but if we haven't become
that person yet, holy moly.
So I can't wait to get yourbook, I can't wait to order it
when it drops and be able toread it and go back in 14 days
of Beijing.
That I want to you know evenmore into what your thought
process was, because when yousee somebody who comes out the
(56:53):
other side, when you seesomebody you know because
there's somebody who probablygot arrested in Beijing before
you, there's probably somebodygot arrested in Beijing after
you and there's somebody who'snot doing as well as you're
doing as a result of how theytook on that experience and it
shaped their life and what theydo, and it would be great to
(57:14):
just see some people that kindof experienced what you did and
go well, okay, what madeChancellor so much different,
you know, and how he handled itand the circumstances and the
timing and all those things thatare part of it.
And so thank you for being on,thank you for, you know, maybe
one of your 151 or 152, whateverabout a podcast that you've
been on, because it's just, it'sbeen phenomenal.
(57:37):
And so, if you're watching thisand this is your first episode
that you watched so many reallygood ones that folks that have
taken adversity made their lifedifferent as a result of it and
aren't stuck as a result oftheir circumstances and I think
that's the key in all of this ishow do we continue to move
forward, how do we continue togrow and how do we, in your case
(58:01):
, be coming in the book that'sgetting ready to come out?
And so, you know, go ahead andhit the subscribe notifications.
Whatever the things that you doon YouTube or wherever you're
seeing this at, we'd love tohave you on for more Again,
chancellor, you have any closingthoughts?
One last closing thought thatyou would love to tell everybody
before we're out of here.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
So I'm going to leave you with a quote.
You know what I'm saying.
I love quotes.
It's a quote by Nipsey Hussle.
It goes long-winded, runningthrough this life like it was
mine, never settling but settingevery goal high, 1,000 burpees
on the path to my ownself-destruction or success.
But what is a mistake withoutthe lesson?
(58:41):
You see, the best teacher inlife is your own experience, and
none of us know who we areuntil we fail.
They say every person isdefined by their reaction to any
given situation.
Well, who would you want todefine you?
Someone else or yourself?
Whatever you choose to do,homie, get your heart to it and
stay strong.
Love it, love it, love it.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Don't forget your God's great gift.
He your heart to it and staystrong, Love it, love it, love
it.
Don't forget your God's greatgift.
He loves you if you love himtoo, and we'll talk to you on
the next one.
Have a great day.
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