April 1, 2025 • 59 mins
What happens when determination meets opportunity? Paul Tim Bundy's remarkable journey from Cameroon to entrepreneurial success offers a masterclass in perseverance, personal development, and financial wisdom that transcends cultural barriers.
Arriving in America in 1985 with dreams of education and freedom, Paul faced immediate challenges—from language barriers so significant people asked him to write things down to financial constraints that had him working security jobs while pursuing his business degree. Despite these hurdles, he graduated cum laude, discovering inner strengths he never knew existed.
The turning point came when Paul realized the conventional path wouldn't provide the freedom he craved. While many of his peers remained in the same positions even after obtaining advanced degrees, Paul sought control over his financial destiny. His initial venture into network marketing didn't yield financial success but introduced him to the world of personal development—a revelation that would transform his life approach.
With remarkable courage and virtually no capital, Paul and his wife launched a home healthcare franchise in 2002 using a $12,000 credit card advance. Their business flourished, expanding to four franchises and now employing over 300 people while serving thousands of seniors. This growth stemmed from Paul's unwavering commitment to self-improvement, dedicating at least four hours daily to mindset development.
Paul's wisdom extends beyond business tactics to fundamental life principles: rejecting scarcity thinking, taking complete responsibility for outcomes, and understanding that financial independence requires making your money work for you. His perspective reframes obstacles as mere inconveniences and views challenges as valuable feedback rather than insurmountable barriers.
Whether you're starting a business, advancing in your career, or seeking greater financial freedom, Paul's journey proves that with the right mindset, consistent self-development, and willingness to take calculated risks, extraordinary success is within reach regardless of where you begin.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I had to work on me, which is a working program.
I had to work on my mindsetbecause I believe this is up to
me.
We control this.
We control everything my wifeand I do.
Now we want to take theresponsibility of reaching out
and helping someone else,because we all need a little bit
of help.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
All right, welcome to another edition of the Journey
to Freedom podcast, and I'm Dr B, I'm your host, and, just you
know, day by day goes by, and weget to do more of these, and I
get more excited about thepeople that are part of our
lives, the people that are justmaking a difference, and I love
to see that.
(00:49):
I love to look at why, though,because you know some of the
reasons or some of the thingsthat we think about at least me
as a Black African-American manthat's in our country and all
the things that happen and allthe conversations that happen.
Sometimes I just wonder, youknow, am I making a difference?
Am I doing the things that giveback?
(01:10):
Because when I think aboutliving in my purpose and how I
can give back to others that aredoing, sometimes I wonder what
impact or difference you make inyour lives.
And then you get to.
You know I was just talking tomy granddaughter, and you know
she's only three years old, butI'm having like a normal
conversation and just thinkingabout what her life gets to be
(01:30):
like and what I get to say toher and what are going to be the
themes of the things that Iwill tell her over the years and
if success leaves clues, can Imake sure that I'm giving her
the best possible chance to besuccessful?
Sometimes I think about oureducation system and think that
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are they doing enough or are weputting too much faith in what
they're supposed to do and whattheir ability to do is?
You know, because I kind ofthink of you know, when I think
about schools and I don't know,paul, if you kind of came over
here and you know from WestAfrica and grew up there and
then you entered into some ofour school systems and sometimes
I think they're just made tohelp us get jobs and then make
(02:15):
sure that we work within thesystem so that we don't bucket
enough and then we get thechance to move out and do some
more stuff.
I can tell you're a reader.
I'm looking at the bookshelfbehind you.
And so that's where we'reself-educated, right.
That's not somebody telling youhow you're supposed to act.
That's you finding out what isout there, what knowledge?
Is there and how to make ithappen, and so that's why I love
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this podcast, because I'mtalking to real people who are
doing real things, who are notpart of well, we're all part of
systems, but not necessarilysaying this system was formed.
We know it doesn't work, but Ijust want to perpetuate it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So nobody's saying that on this show, because we're
looking at what success is, andso thank you for being on today
.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Thank you for your willingness to share with us and
share your story, and I can'twait to hear it.
I just love this is.
My favorite part of the show iswhere I get to know people.
You know, I was on a showyesterday and they just read my
bio and I'm like you know.
I know that's what you askedfor, but my bio just talks about
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what I do.
It doesn't talk about who I am,and so I love the fact that I
get to find out who you are andthen we get to talk about what
you do, which is super importantand it's things that make us
happy, but it just means morewhen I know who you are and
where you came from when Idecide what it is that you do.
So please go ahead and sharewith us.
(03:42):
I can't wait to hear your story, and then we'll just kind of
chop it up right after that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Good deal.
Well, thank you, Dr B.
It's an honor and pleasure tobe on your podcast to share, to
share what we you know myjourney.
I have to really congratulateyou for the podcast.
Journey to Freedom.
That kind of it's intriguing.
I like the name, so congrats onthat.
(04:08):
Thank you, and putting thisavenue out there for us to talk,
because I think an essentialpart of life is communication.
It's a hard work.
Oftentimes folks get into a lotof trouble because they don't
communicate, they don't hear oneanother.
So this is a chance for us tobe able to share some thoughts
and communicate and see what youknow.
(04:28):
If I say a few things that mayhelp someone out there.
I mean that's the purpose here,because I think that's what
you're about, and I salute youfor that, sir.
Well, again, my name is PaulTim Bundy and I came to the
United States a while back 1985,from Cameroon, west Africa,
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seeking a better future.
Actually, I came to go toschool is really what it was Dad
wanted me to.
Dad was someone who I was usedto I'm his first son and so dad
wanted the best for me and so Itold him.
I said listen, dad, let me justcome to America.
There was something aboutAmerica.
(05:13):
There was something aboutAmerica.
I just felt like when I, if Icame to America, all my dreams
would come true.
I mean, I don't know.
I didn't know what they were,but I just it was something
that's about freedom, you know,being in control yourself, I
mean, and then, and then I also.
I was also happy, because thatcould not just come.
He asked me from America, right.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I wanted some freedom .
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So from Cameroon it's a long, it's a long journey.
It's about a journey of about16 hours, right, I mean.
So you know, when you leaveCameroon it takes you to get
here, and so you know, when youleave Calamari it takes you to
get here.
And so you know, I just wantedto make that, make that journey.
I had some family members hereand so I came to spend some time
with them and go to school.
Go to college is what I camefor and, like I said, when I
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went to college, I fell in lovewith the people.
Americans to me, you know, arethe folks the most loving, you
know.
I mean, you know, folks with aheart to me, I mean I think this
is the greatest world, thegreatest country in the world.
I believe that it has notchanged.
In fact, my faith in Americahas been grown over the years.
Oh nice and we'll talk aboutthat, you know.
So I came here to go to collegeand it was a hard time because,
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as you know, I have an accentright.
So when you talk to folks hereI mean, uh, you know, uh, you
gotta you have that accident, soit's hard for folks to
understand you sometimes.
So I remember when I was goingto this community college, uh, I
would talk, met this german,elder german, african american
german.
I was trying to be friendlywith him and I would talk to him
and say what did, did you say,because I was speaking pretty
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fast, right?
And he would say, well, whatdid you say?
And I said, well, just write itdown.
So I kind of got tired of that.
I mean writing you know what Ihad to say down every time you
know I kind of got tired of that.
I said, well, I learned how totalk slowly.
(07:08):
And so I went to college and hada, you know, had an associate's
degree I think it was infinance, I believe now and I
went on to a regular four-yearuniversity and graduated with a
bachelor's degree in business,finance, cumulati.
Wow, okay, yeah, it was achallenge.
(07:28):
I'll tell you that.
I mean it was a challenge, justgraduate.
Well, not that I mean I figuredI had the brains for that, it
was just the whole makeup of it.
I mean I had to do math, which Ihated.
Man, I hated.
Algebra is really what I hated.
Dr D, I hated algebra, okay,but I figured that I had to get
algebra and calculus to graduate, right?
So you know, my dad was comingfor my graduation, oh, Okay, you
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make a 16-hour flight andeverything.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's what they were coming okay so.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I had to step up.
All right, it was not easy, letme tell you, but you know, I
found out that there was somestrengths in me that I didn't
know.
I had to step up.
It was not easy, let me tellyou, but I found out that there
were some strengths in me that Ididn't know I had.
Okay, I got busy.
That's what, paul.
If you've got to get an algebraand calculus and all this, then
you have to study, you've gotto put in the work, you've got
to figure it out.
So I figured it out.
I got into myself that's kindof when I knew that had some
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superpowers within me that Ididn't know existed.
That's awesome.
And I think that will happen, ofcourse, in a time of challenge.
That time when you'rechallenged, you see, some
strength comes out of you, someknowledge comes out of you that
you may not think you had.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
When it came out, so I was able to study algebra.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I mean, I passed it and I started teaching other
people algebra.
Can you believe that?
Wow, you started teaching.
I taught other students algebra.
Wow, because I decided that itwas so necessary for me to to,
to, to, to understand thiscourse, pass this course, to get
that degree.
Remember dad was coming.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, dad's not going to be happy if you don't know
this.
If you don't really graduate.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Exactly so.
I graduated, like I said, cumlaude, very happy.
And then, when I graduated,while I was in school, I was
working as a security guard.
It was something I could do.
I decided, well, I'll pay myway and all of that.
Thankfully, that was paying forsome of the college, so that
was good.
Ok, but I had to live here, soI wanted to support Dad with
(09:27):
that.
So I was working.
Now, while I was working as asecurity guard, I got to
thinking because the friends ofmine who were also in college,
going through college, were alsoworking.
Some were working in the bankas a teller and going to school
as we did back in those days.
And so I realized that whenthis guy graduated, he graduated
(09:50):
from college and went tograduate school he still kept
his job as a teller.
Now, growing up, I wanted to bea stockbroker.
That's really what I wanted todo.
Okay, so, as a security guard,I said, well, if I go to
graduate school, because whengraduated I was going to go into
graduate school and what I wasgoing to study and whatnot.
But then I said, well, let melook at what is what other folks
(10:12):
who have graduated and gone tograduate school have earned,
what I've been doing.
And I saw folks doing same jobor jobs they were doing while
they were on a grant.
I said, well, that's not for me, cause I didn't want to go to
school and then end up doing thesame job.
I started looking into businessopportunities at that point.
What am I going to do forbusiness?
(10:32):
What can I do?
Because I remember I wanted tobe in control of myself.
I wanted freedom.
I wanted freedom.
I wanted to be in control of mysituation, especially
financially.
The only way I could I saw mystudent I was to be in business
myself, so I got into Amway.
Okay, back in the early 90s Igot into Amway.
I did not make much money I didnot make I don't think I didn't
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make much money at all but Ilearned some things.
I learned something I learnedmindset, as, let's allow.
I learned personal development,and that was a change for me.
I heard from folks who saidthat I could be everything I
wanted to be if I worked for it.
It wasn't the color of my skinthat necessarily.
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Well, of course, there's goingto be challenges anyhow, but if
you worked hard, you could endup overcoming some of these
barriers.
So I got into reading, which tome, is my superpower.
I got into reading.
Along the way, I learned somethings.
I learned some things thatchanged for me too.
You know, one of the folks Iread about, you know, was Mr
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Freddy Douglas.
Yep, okay, mr FrederickDouglass.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay and I heard that reading and stuff that he
realized how important readingwas, that it made it something
he had to learn to do.
So reading became a big thingfor me.
I started studying.
I couldn't get enough books onpersonal growth, personal
development.
How do I get ahead?
(12:03):
You?
know things of that nature andthat that desire for me is
presented today.
Now, like I said, after, afterI graduated from uh, from uh
from college, I wanted to.
I didn't really want to workthis.
I mean, I did some jobs andwhatnot, but my goal was to be
in control of my own destiny.
That was a big thing for me,you know, uh.
And then later on, along as theyears moved on, uh, we got into
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the computer age, where I?
Uh got into computers, as youknow, because we came back then
and my wife my wife who used mysweetheart from high school, was
in england.
I had to come over from englandhere.
Okay, join me.
We started raising a family.
We're in computers.
She was a database administrator, I was a computer systems
engineer, but again, that urgeagain to be in business myself
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kept tugging at me.
It was in my heart to do more,to be in control of my business.
So once she came on, we decidedto.
You know, she did some work inthe healthcare field, taking
care of seniors, and she said,well, honey, there could be,
this seems like something wemight want to get into.
I said, fine, let's go for it.
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So we decided to buy afranchise, a home care
franchisor.
We bought a franchise, a homecare industry, take care of
seniors.
That's what we said.
We did that in 2002.
And Brian, we did that justbecause I will tell you this.
Anywhere in the world thatwould have happened to me.
It was possible because I livedin America.
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Inside of the challenges,because I lived in America, I
had an opportunity to buysomething like that.
Now let me tell you how webought that.
We didn't have any money.
Okay, we took an advance on ourcredit card To buy a business.
What I think?
(13:57):
The advance was $12,000 andsome changes Slightly under
$13,000.
We took an advance on our creditcard to buy a franchise, brian.
We started building a franchisein 2002.
Two years later we boughtanother franchise because the
first one was doing so well itpaid for the second one.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Wow, same industry.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes, sir, absolutely Okay.
It's the cell, the selffranchises, who were bought the
second one two years later onlytwo years, as a matter of fact,
and it was much bigger than theone we had bought before, almost
twice as big, paid for by thefirst one.
Okay, we kept on building, kepton building, kept up, kept
hiring people and doing things,and then eventually we uh,
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someone was selling.
We bought that franchise,another one, the third one kept
on building, kept on building,and then we decided to buy a
fourth one in washington.
Okay, today we uh, we employnorth of 300 people.
We've served thousands ofpeople over the years.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Okay, and we're blessed and I say that because I
couldn't have done thatanywhere else.
It was because of what ourforefathers Mr Frank Douglas, dr
EW DeBoer, all these Malcolm X,all these you, dr B DeBoer, all
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these Mark Remex, all these,you, dr D, folks like you what
you did for you guys made thispossible for us.
Okay, so it goes back to thejourney of freedom.
I think that you know I'msaying all this to thank the
system, our people.
You know I'm on the backs ofwhat they've done for us.
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That's what it means, because,like I said we're at work, but
if you don't have theopportunity to succeed, it's not
going to work for you, and Ithink that what our people have
done, what this society has done, what America represents Now,
america is not perfect.
No country is perfect.
No country is perfect.
No country is perfect, exactly,but I think that America
represents the best of humanity,in spite of what we'll face
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today.
So that's my story, Dr B.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh man, I guess I love it.
I've got so many questions Like.
The first question I have isyou know you were teaching
people algebra.
Do you still use algebra allthe time?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Not right now.
Not right, that's a good one.
Doesn't mean no.
What doesn't mean I, I was inthere because I remember I had
to get that degree.
I know, I know your daddy wascoming right so.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So when dad came and he saw you graduate, was he
excited for you.
Oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I mean, dad did not earn a college.
He did not earn a collegedegree.
Okay, he was very well educated, self-made millionaire.
He went to school, but he didnot have a degree.
He did not have the opportunityto have a degree.
So he was very excited he won.
I mean, to me it was just thehe could.
In fact, he earned his degreethrough.
In my eyes, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So, yeah, it was a big deal and it was kind of the
handoff it sounds like to thenext generation.
I worked so hard so that youcould achieve, and then you
proved to him that you did whathis dreams were.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Absolutely, we went for all of our kids.
Yes, 100%, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What I also want to talk about is just the identity.
There's things that happen inour lives, pivotal points that
happen in our lives that allowus to either excel or retract.
And when those obstacles comeand you have this identity of I
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want to pursue my dreams, I'mcoming here.
I think America is a place todo it.
Then you get here and peopleact like they can't understand
you and they make it difficultfor you.
What part of your identityallowed you to say that doesn't
matter, I'm going to still pushforward, because I guess I would
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believe that some people justgo back home because it's easier
.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yes, yes, Dr B, you're right.
I mean, I think that withregards to that gentleman who
said he could not understand, Idon't think that I would even
believe that gentleman at all tobe, honest with you.
I mean the gentleman just didn'tunderstand what I was saying.
I mean it is what it is.
I mean he was just being realwith me, right, and I think that
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see to me things like that.
I look at life as feedback.
Okay To me.
I took it as feedback, right, Imean because I have to relate
to a wider audience right.
And if I did not learn to relateto this one person, I'd be
missing the boat.
I mean, I think in life we haveto look at things.
We can't just look at things assomeone is against me, all
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right, because everyone has ajourney.
I mean, again, your program isJourney to Freedom.
Everyone has their journey, Imean, and in that journey you're
going to go through obstacles,challenges are going to be there
, right?
I think the biggest thing is tohave that sense of resiliency,
if you will, to want to go afterthis, because challenges are
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going to come.
I mean, I was in the officetoday and we had some challenges
.
We had some challenges in theoffice.
I mean, I had a lady in theoffice who's been with us for a
little over two years, a greatproducer and I'll go back to
your question but great producerfor the team, right?
She said, well, paul, listen,it's time for me to move on.
She's in her 60s and I respecther, but she's a great producer,
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you know.
And I said well, paul, I reallyneed to move on.
It's the next chapter of my life, I think.
Well, and we had a meeting,talk, and I gave us some other
avenues here.
I looked at different advantagepoints.
How can we make this a win-win?
I know what your priorities areat this stage of your life, but
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are you open to some otheroptions here?
What are those options?
And we started talking.
Could you go part-time?
Could we create a differentposition for you here where we
can take advantage of theresources you have, the
experience you have?
So it works for you, it worksfor us.
So I'm just saying that in life, you know we can't these.
They're going to come up.
I mean, I think the test of aperson you know is because life
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is going to throw this test atus.
How we navigate through itmakes a difference because, as
you know, it's not what happensto you, how you respond to what
happens, how you respond to whathappens.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, it reminds me I wrote a book that's called
there Is no Tiger, which isabout overcoming, overthinking
and controlling anxiety.
And I tell a story in the bookbecause you're talking about
challenges where everything wasgoing wrong.
You know, I had team membersand we won a sales contest and
we're going to St Martin in theCaribbean and things aren't
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going right.
And you know I'm at the pointwhere they lost our reservations
for our rooms and you know weflew all, we flew on all the way
from Los Angeles to, you know,to get there.
So now we're at, you know, 12hours of traveling.
It's just irritated.
And so I'm pretty short withthe clerk, I can admit that.
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And the concierge comes runningfrom the other end of the room
and he's like what's wrong withyou, man?
And then I begin to tell himthe story and he looks at me and
he goes.
You know he kind of goes.
There's no tigers and there'sno this he says.
But on the island, man, thereare no problems, only
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inconveniences.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
There you go, that's it inconveniences.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
There you go, that's it.
So I've tried to live my lifethese days thinking
inconveniences don't stop you.
No, they shouldn't.
Problems sometimes do, becauseof the way that we respond to
them.
But when we think of them asinconveniences, hey, this is
just another blip in my shorttime on this planet that I'm
trying to make things happen,which is just another blip in my
short time on this planet thatI'm trying to make things happen
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Absolutely, which is so cool.
So you graduate from collegeand then you go into Amway and
you're in, and I remember theAmway days.
I think a lot of us did that.
Yes, you know drawing circlesand hoping somebody's going to
come there.
Then you sell like a couple barsof soap and you can make $2.
I'm going to be rich.
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A few years later you're stillonly making $2.
But the personal development,what kind of?
Because that that kind ofprobably started your personal
development.
What kinds of things did youdecide you were going to do to
concentrate on you so that youcould become the person that
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could buy the franchise and thenbe successful in the franchise?
What were some?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
of the things that you did?
Good question I had to work onme.
I had to work on me, which is awork in progress.
As you know, you never reallyget to work on you, right, I had
to work on me I had to work onyou right, how to work on me,
how to work on my mindset,because I believe this is up to
me.
We control this, we controleverything.
I mean that's once you control.
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That's why I focus a lot on mystudy even today, because we
again I'll talk about that laterwe started a personal
development company.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
We did okay.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
My focus today is this A lot of us feel like you
talked about the inconvenience,which is really, to me, it's all
a matter of perspective.
You just switched it.
You said it's not a problem,it's an inconvenience, right
there, you can deal with it.
You see, it's an inconvenience.
I mean, right there, you candeal with it.
Because you see that, well, Icouldn't.
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I mean, oh okay, we can takecare of this.
So for me, it was more mindset.
I had to grow, that I had torealize I was bigger than who I
was presenting myself to be.
Believe in self, all right,challenges are always going to
be there, but how do you becomethem?
And then, when I saw peopleovercoming these challenges,
especially people of color,doing that, okay, I said, oh
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well, if he can do it, I can do,because you know the challenge
with us, you know and ourcommunity.
I think that up to be is thatwe don't have a lot of role
models we can lean on.
Okay, there's no apprenticeship.
Okay, I mean no one holding youup, all right.
Now we see all these folks whoare making it big and all these
things and all that, but they'retoo far from us, right, we
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can't reach out and talk to themRight, which makes a big
difference, I think, because youknow, if you can talk to
someone like we're talking nowand if we can take their,
that's's what I try, my wife,that I do now, what I take the
responsibility, richard, helpsomeone else, because we all
need a little bit of help.
I mean, you know we all do.
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I mean, and I think the biggestthing we like, and I mean the
way I've seen it, the biggestthing I think, is that empathy
for one another.
We shouldn't, we shouldn't be acase where, because you've made
it, you climb up a ladder andget under a tree and then you
push the ladder down and thenext person looks for a
different ladder.
Come on, no, that's not howBill Gates does it.
That's not how the other richpeople make it.
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That's not a success.
They have a system in place.
What is that system?
Can we use that in our favor?
Because we're smart, we'restrong people, we're very
resilient people.
We have it in us, it's in there.
But if we don't know that, wedon't act like we have it, it
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ain't going to come out how weshowing up.
Everyone has challenges, but wecan't relate, and I know racism
is a big part of it.
I get that.
But you know what?
I don't let that stop meanymore.
Stop the reason.
No, no, it's an inconvenience.
It's an inconvenience.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean I'm not going to change my color.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
No, why I have to be proud of who I am.
Yeah, I, I mean we have.
I mean, look at OpenWay for you, look at all these other folks
who have made it To me.
That just proves to me that wecan make it, absolutely, of
course.
And I think we need to tell ourstory more and more and more,
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because if we don't do that,then folks are going to
gravitate to the lowest possiblecommon denominator and not
really, whereas we have a talentin us to make it happen.
I mean, that's how my daughter,my daughter, became a.
She's an MD, she's adermatologist.
Okay, she graduated last year.
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She's in a what is it?
Her residency?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
right now Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Because she saw the possibilities.
In our home we talk aboutpossibilities.
We have to not take excusesBecause you've got to hold
yourself to a higher standard.
Dr B, you do, you do.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
One of the things that has been a common
denominator in this show, asI've done now.
I've done over 150 episodes ofsuccessful Black men who are
doing things, but almost everysingle one of them has said you
know, I wanted to see somebodyelse who looked like me doing it
.
And what I find is we keepseeing it, we keep seeing it, we
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keep seeing it, yes, but it'sthe person who takes advantage
after they see it.
And what I find is we keepseeing it, we keep seeing it, we
keep seeing it, yes, but it'sthe person who takes advantage
after they see it, without theexcuses of well, because I
guarantee there's some people inour community that says that
you were lucky, that says that.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Luck is a part of it.
I prefer blessed.
It's a part of it.
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I know it's a part of it You're blessed.
Know it's a part of it You'reblessed, but they're saying
that's the reason.
It's like you didn't put anywork in or you didn't go through
or you didn't have any failures, like everything you touch
turned to gold.
Now you and I know that that isnot the case.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Not close.
Not close, no, sir, that wouldbe right.
But again, I think that's kindof where we need to.
I like questions like that, Ilike those kind of thoughts, but
I think that's where we need tocommunicate, yeah, okay, and
reason with each other.
I don't want to say educate,because you know it could come
out the wrong way.
We need to talk Right.
And let me hear my storyBecause, see, if I don't know
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your story, I may be judging itfrom the wrong lens.
Of course, correct, so we needto.
I think that's where we need to.
Success, like you said, leavesclues and success involves it's
a journey.
And that journey there's goingto be ups and downs, right,
there's going to be thingsyou're going to learn, unlearn,
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and all of that.
It's a journey.
They don't call it a journey.
A journey means it's a process.
To it, I mean, we've got to getaway from this microwave oven
type generational mentality andgimme, gimme, gimme.
Like I said, the way we raiseour kids, our dogs now is that
you've got to earn it.
Mom and dad aren't going togive it to you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm sorry we're not going to do that.
Well, the thing that I lovewhat you said about earning it
and what I'm realizing more,because my life's goal is to
help people become the personthey need to be in order to do
what God put them on this earthto do.
But when you talk about earningit, you have to earn the right
to become.
But when you talk about earningit, you have to earn the right
to become.
You have to earn that, you know, because you can do, and a lot
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of people try to go do and thinkthey're going to have.
But until you become a personwho can do the thing and when I
think about earning, it's notlike, okay, well, I got to go to
a certain amount of years ofschool or I got to go sit with
some mentors, I mean, those areall part of it, but you have to
earn your stripes of who you are, you got to do the work.
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You got to do the work and yougot to do the work.
To do that, you have to becomethat person that can then do
whatever.
It is that thing.
And there's so many of us thatthink that that somehow comes
through osmosis, like if I watchenough television of successful
people, I can be successful.
But those are actors, right,they're pretending to be
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successful people, right, dr B?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
that's why I talked about in your early question I
think it was your first questionI talked about I got to work on
me.
Yeah, yeah, the most importantwork is to work on us.
You know that.
I mean I think we all that'sthe most important work.
That internal work that no onesees right, that internal work,
that disciplines.
You know, sometimes we talkabout morning disciplines, daily
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disciplines, what is it you're?
after?
Who do you really want to be?
Who do you see yourself being?
What do you want to make?
What mark do you want to makein society?
Because we all, like you said,we all have a message, we have a
mission, right I?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
mean, what's our mission?
What percent?
Because I'm trying to find thisnumber and, you know, I think
I'm getting closer to it.
But what percentage when Ithink about it, because you have
a personal development company,which is even more helpful for
this question.
What percentage of time and itmight be different seasons, it
might be at this age, at thisage, but should you spend
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minimum, I guess, on working onyou as you progress?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I would.
I mean I spend at least acouple hours.
I mean for me personally, Ispend a couple, I mean I would
say at least four hours a day,because that's important work To
me.
That's important work I mean youknow, and that's to me, that's
at least four hours, like I saidearlier because see Dr B, to me
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and some of the reading I'veread I've gone through we have
to spend time with ourselves alot.
I mean, you know, I'm not muchof a Bible person.
I read it and all that, but ifyou notice the great historical
people, you know even in theBible spend time by themselves.
They spend a lot of time bythemselves.
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I mean talking to God and going.
You know, they just spend timealone.
That alone time is reallyimportant.
We can't spend all our time onwhatever Netflix or television
or whatnot and expect to reachour dreams.
It ain't going to happen.
We have to spend time talkingto ourselves, finding out who we
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are, what we put on earth to do, because, like I said, we make
ourselves strong enough.
Racism don't have a chance.
No, no, don't have a chance.
No is next right.
I mean, that's the internalwork we talked about, though I
mean are we doing it?
Are we doing it daily?
How much time are we puttinginto it?
Because I believe that if wework eight hours or whatever I
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think at least I we're 24 hoursa day.
Right like carnegie was saying,you know this, that's what we
call opportunity time, becauseif you work eight hours, six
hours, you got eight hours.
What are we doing with thatopportunity time, though?
Yep?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
and you know so say it's that four hours waking time
, that's 20 of the time that youhave that you are working on,
whether it's reading a book, orwatching a YouTube video, or
communicating with others.
I mean, there's all kinds ofways that you can work on you
taking a class.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But what I see, what I see especially in our
community and you can maybe helpme the difference because you
have to sacrifice a little bit Isee when I see education as
being that 20% where you'reeducating yourself, working on
you, but then I see the other,where people are spending that
20%, is on entertainment,especially these days, because
it's in our faces so much we canscroll up and down, we can
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watch videos all night, mindlessstuff that takes us away from
our lives, not realizing.
If we spend some time workingon the other thing, then our
life doesn't need theentertainment.
Right, because I don't see youas a big, I'm going to watch six
hours of TV every day.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Dr B years ago, when I was at Amway one of our
uplines I see everybody readingthe newspaper.
I said what do you want to be?
Do you want to be on thenewspaper?
Do you want to just beconsuming information, or do you
want to be mentioned in thepaper?
I mean, you want to mention itin a good way, right?
(34:22):
You don't want to just readabout stories, and I think
that's the because you talkedabout.
To me time and I'm sure youagree with this time to me is
the most precious commodityreally.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Infinitely more valuable than money, exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Because you can't get it back.
I mean, you can't get it back.
So I think it's how we managethat, how we use that to
allocate our time, that makesthe biggest difference to me.
I'm an early riser, that's justthe way I do it.
I'm going to wake up early.
I'm going to locate that again.
The big thing is, to your pointagain.
What I was going to say was thatI think sometimes we need to
(34:58):
just spend time to ask ourselveswhat do we want?
Who do we want to be?
How do we want to impact theworld?
Our world, it doesn't have tobe.
How do we want to impact theworld Our world, it doesn't have
to be the whole country, likeDr King did and the other folks
did.
How do we want to impact ourfamily?
How do we want to make itbetter for the next generation?
I think if we answer thosequestions to ourselves as soon
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as they give us that motivation,we want to spend less time on
TV or whatever else we need todo and then be about the
business of making thatdifference, because, like you
said, you can't give what youdon't have, and the
self-education in me is a partof fitting out well, so to speak
, to be able to share what we'vegot with other people.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well and here's how I know that and thinking about
what you're saying, that time isinfinitely more valuable than
money.
If I, if I were to say I wouldgive you, say I'm a, write you a
check for five million dollars,no strings attached, I just
want to get, I'm aphilanthropist, I just want to
give out five million dollars,would you take it?
And you would say, yes, ofcourse I'll take it.
Five million dollars, yeah, Icould do so.
(36:13):
I could give it away if Ineeded to, right.
But then if I were to say I'mgoing to give you five million
dollars, but the the conditionis that you.
You only get it for 24 hours andthen you die.
Would you still take it?
There's no way, right, becauseour time doing things that don't
move us forward, that don'tgrow us, that don't help us
become that person.
(36:34):
Yes, I want to ask you abouttrust, because you come over
here, you know and you have totrust that.
You have this belief thatAmerica is going to be all that
you've dreamed about through thetime that you're there.
But then there's people andrelationships that you have to
trust as you're here.
How did you develop that senseof who to trust, who not to
(36:58):
trust?
Because in our community wehave so much trouble not only
trusting, let's say, the whiteman, but we don't trust each
other, we don't trust ourselves,we don't trust our wives and
the women that are in our lives.
We trust our mom, but otherthan that, we struggle with this
thing called trust.
How did you overcome at leastthe stereotypes of what happens
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in this country around trust, drB.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I think that that issue is all over, I think in
Cameroon, where I'm fromoriginally we have that issue
too.
It's gotten worse now with theway things are going.
Now.
Everyone wants it.
Yesterday, they want to succeedso badly that they do the wrong
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things, they make the wrongchoices.
To me it's through a process ofnumber one.
You have to demand of yourselfa certain standard.
You want to be a person ofintegrity because you kind of
attract what you are right.
I believe that's very strong.
You attract who you are.
First of all, I want to holdmyself to a's very strong.
You have to trust who you are.
So you know, first of all Iwant to hold myself to a
(38:10):
person's integrity.
I'm not saying I can't, I don'tmake wrong decisions or
anything wrong.
I do that.
But I hold myself to a highstandard.
Where the folks that I'vetracked you know I've been
burned along the and they'regoing to do, you know, say
something, do it.
It happens.
But it's been to me.
For me it's been through aprocess of trial and error and
then holding myself to a higherstandard, and then when I do
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that, I attract certain peoplein my life that I can count on.
You know, are they always goingto be there?
Now I mean I've been burned byfamily members and whatnot it's
going to happen.
But then you know, as you go,as you progress in life, they
see you, they see who you'reabout and what you stand for and
then you tend to attract, Ithink, different people in your
(38:54):
life because they see that youwant things done a certain way.
It's a process and I'm notsaying I prefer it in no way.
I'm still learning.
It's a process, but that isfundamental because, as you know
, even in business, if you can'tcount on someone, you can't do
business with them.
I mean, why do folks flock overhere to America to do business?
(39:16):
Because they can count on theUnited States.
Okay, they know we're a stablecountry and all of that.
That's why they come in here.
So trust is fundamental and weneed to build that because, like
I said, you know I mean ittakes.
I mean I remember Mrs MichelleObama's book I think was it her
book it takes a village.
(39:36):
Yeah, okay, it takes a village.
So it's going to take more ofus pulling our resources
together and doing stuff, but wecan't trust each other, right?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
And then when somebody as abusiness person, when somebody,
I guess, compromises your trustin them, sometimes we still
because they're friends orthey're family, and we continue
to not say okay, I need to putyou a little bit further away
(40:09):
from me, a little further atarm's weight, until you can now
prove yourself that you can betrustworthy and so we have to,
we have to take it away from ourhearts a little bit sometimes
yes, you know well because we'renot helping them right.
We're not helping them byallowing you to continue the
behavior, and yet we do well,but don't be right.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I mean, see, the thing is for me, I really will
not do business with friends.
Yeah, I mean I prefer not to dothat because I think I value
the relationship more than themoney.
Yes, okay, I mean, if we'rebusiness, let's do business.
But it's hard sometimes to havea clean break because then if
things go south with thebusiness, it impacts the
(40:50):
relationship Right.
So I really prefer not to dobusiness with friends.
If we started out in businessand we became friends, that's a
whole different thing.
But I will not.
I mean I would just not do it.
I mean it's going to be let'smake it professional, because we
tend to, you know, we tend toinadvertently, you know, combine
the two, and I think that'swhere the problem comes in.
(41:10):
I mean we have to just beupfront with each other,
recognizing that issues aregoing to come up, and just deal
with them.
I think it makes it worse whenyou try to hide, right?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
And that's what we do , right?
That's exactly what we do,especially when there's a
friendship there.
And then we think about acontract.
Right, the contracts that wehave, that we sign, are based on
a mutual distrust in the firstplace.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, we have to have this contract.
Because I don't yeah or wedon't trust that you're going to
do yeah what you say you'regoing to do.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, when you start that with friends, then you're
going.
I'm already starting off.
You've been my friend all thistime.
We're supposed to be trust andI'm going to ask you to sign
this thing that says we don'ttrust each other, yeah, yeah,
exactly it puts us all in a badsituation yes it does, what I,
what I want to talk about,because I think it's important,
especially in this context,because you have I can't ask all
(42:02):
my guests you know about moneyand how money works and and and
you know rich dad, poor dad andall that kind of stuff because
they they haven't proven that itproven that it's something that
they can handle.
You talked about an investmenton your credit card for the
(42:22):
$12,000, whatever it was to buyyour first franchise.
When we as a communitysometimes get money, we spend
more than we're making all thetime and then we end up with all
these money issues and we don'tunderstand how to utilize debt
and all that kind of stuff.
I know all the lessons that youlearned about money weren't at
(42:43):
the community college.
When you're going through yourbusiness classes or the
university, what kinds of thingsdid you learn around the way
that would be beneficial, likeour foundational things that we
need to know about money inorder to double, triple,
quadruple the amount of moneythat we have?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Great question, dr B.
Great question.
I learned that you have torespect money.
Okay, I learned that you haveto respect money.
Okay, you have to respect money.
Money is a tool.
We have to have a budget.
I remember my wife and Istarting out.
Remember I told you I was asecurity guard, right, yeah.
(43:25):
And then I kind of graduatedand became a leasing consultant
okay, showing people apartmentsright, it's a graduation here.
Uh, way back when and she was,um, she used to be cashier at a,
at a retail store, okay, infact, we used to have to.
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We ran out of it was anapartment we're in, so we had to
wait.
We had to put out two checks topay rent.
Okay, I mean, it is what it is,that's what it was.
So we had to be on a budget.
We couldn't just be frivolouswith our money.
So we started then to putourselves on a budget.
Okay, we're going to, you know,make sure we're in it.
That's what we did starting outand eventually, as we knew more
(44:09):
, we hung around folks.
The first thing, I think you'vegot to have a desire to earn
some money.
You have to have a desire,you've got to want to get away
from just paying the bills.
That's why I asked the questionbefore who do you want to be?
What mark do you want to leavein society, in your family, what
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do you want to do for fun?
Because once we ask ourselvesall those questions, then we
start saying, well, what does itneed to get there?
We start reading get aroundfolks that have done some of
this stuff and then we startseeing what we need to do.
So I learned from others.
Like I talked about the budget,paying yourself first is
important.
Putting money away is importantBecause, as we all know, you
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have a bank account and you takeout more than you have in there
.
Guess what Overdrive?
Right, you get to pay for it,you have fees and then you can
only get to some point becauseit's not your money anymore.
Now you're taking it from thebank.
Yeah, yeah, right.
So we have to learn to savemoney.
We've done it from the bank.
Yeah, yeah, right.
So we have to learn to savemoney.
We've done it over the years.
Generations, our generationshave done it.
(45:16):
Black folks they do, but wehave to get away from.
We got to spend every dime weget.
Now, again, how much are?
We put some money away and thenyou're putting money for what?
Have goals and dreams of whatyou want to do with them?
Because I was going to readthis to you.
This is something that Dr B,I'm going to read this and just
(45:36):
bear with me here.
This is important Saving forgreatness.
Your savings, believe it or not,affect the way you stand, the
way you walk, the tone of yourvoice, in short, your physical
well-being and self-confidence.
A man without savings is alwaysrunning.
He must take the first joboffered on the early start.
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He sits nervously on life'scheers because any small
emergency throws him into thehands of others.
Without savings, a man must betoo grateful.
Gratitude is fine, it's a finething in its place, but a
constant state of gratitude is ahorrible place in which to live
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.
A man with savings can walktall.
He may appraise opportunitiesin a relaxed way, have time for
judicious estimate and not berushed by economic necessity.
And it's a long, but I'll leaveit at that.
So it goes by the savings thing.
We have to buy into thatconcept, because if you don't
have that, if you don't have thesavings, you're not saving,
(46:40):
you're not putting money awayfor yourself.
Well, how could you invest inanything, how could you be a
part of affecting in a positiveway your economic future?
Because, remember, we've got toremember that we are in a
capitalist environment.
So, guess what?
We have to control some of thatcapital.
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We have to get off thesidelines.
We are owners, we'restakeholders here, and one of
the ways to be a stakeholder isyou got to own some of the
capital.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Oh my gosh.
If you can find a way to sendthat to us, we'll put it in the
show notes.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
You like that.
Okay, I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, I like it, it's really good.
One of the things that you justsaid that really intrigued me,
because you kept saying we needto save, but when you added on
to that, you said we need tosave so that we can invest.
Because when I think about theaccumulation of cash or whatever
, I think about a pool or likethe Dead Sea or whatever that is
(47:42):
where we put money.
If we just put money in a potor a can, it loses its value
over time, because the amount ofthat you can buy with just
inflation alone.
So you're saving it, so you canput it somewhere where you can
now have your money grow, and sothat's such an important part
of the savings.
(48:02):
It's more than just go put itunder your mattress or stick it
in a you know, an account thatdoesn't have any any way to
invest.
It is.
I have to have it, though,because I've got to take a
portion of whatever I've got topay myself first into that
portion, so that I can make mymoney Work for you or make my
money.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Dr B, to add to that, Warren Buffett, whom we all
know, said that if you don'thave money working for you,
you're going to work for a long,long, long time.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I mean, we've got to have our money working for us.
Well, and there comes our timething again.
Christy, what do you thinkabout?
You know, if I want to be amillionaire, do I want to be a
millionaire slow?
Or do I want a millionaire fast?
Right, Because if I make$25,000 a year and I work for 40
years, I've made a milliondollars.
But that's way too slow, 40years and I'm learning.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
It is, it is and if you, if you tap inflation in
there, your middle is reallyworth.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's not worth a million dollars so people talk
about all the time those getrich quick screens.
Well, I hope so.
I.
I mean, I don't, I mean I don'tthink it.
You know I gotta, you gotta beworried about the scans and
stuff yes, you know get richquick is way better than get
rich slow yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
And you're right, I mean the big thing to me is just
getting around the right people.
I mean because once you makemoney, once you're earning money
, you know, then you startseeing.
You know.
I mean because you startsearching for how do I get this
money working for me, right?
And you start running to throwout networking.
That's the big part.
We don't do a lot of.
I mean I have my notes on here,because we don't do a lot of
networking, we don't talk to oneanother Especially today right.
(49:39):
Yeah, we're scared of each otherand, like I said, we have to
get away from that.
There's nothing there for everyone of us.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Two things you said.
One, you've got to be aroundthe right people, and then two,
that we don't live in a world oflack.
Yeah, no, no, you can't, and Ithink that's a problem that we
haven't even in our countryright now.
There's this belief that if youhave, then the only way I can
get it is take it from you,because there's not enough for
both of us.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
But, dr B, that's a scarcity mentality.
It is, I mean, think about it,the good Lord doesn't.
I mean the whales in the water.
They eat many fish.
Do you think they have to?
Don't eat as much fish.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Well, these are my fish, not your fish.
There's no more fish.
So we got to Right exactly they.
Well, these are my fish, notyour fish, there's no more fish,
so we got to Exactly.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
How about the birds?
There's enough in there, for wehave to get away from scarcity
mentality now.
There's plenty out there foreveryone.
The point is are we going tostep up to the plate to get what
is truly ours?
That's why I go back to sayingthat it's a mindset thing.
Once you know that you can getwhat you want, you know you can
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get to the point that you do theinternal work now to get what
you want.
I mean you wouldn't be able to.
I mean, look at these folks outthere Dr Marion Golden, look at
Oprah.
I mean we can look all over.
The success is out there for usto mimic.
They have done it, so it'spossible for us.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Absolutely.
Well, you know, like our world,like I said, when we're
watching entertainment.
I was watching a show this lastweek.
It was about the 1800s, youknow Harrison Ford's in it, or
whatever.
And the man says well, I'mgoing to, we're going to be.
(51:39):
You tell him his wife, we'regoing to be rich, honey.
And he says but one thing Ihave to tell you if we're going
to be rich, that means we haveto take it from the people who
already have it, otherwise wecan't have it.
And then his wife was like well, if you got to take it, make
sure that you make it so bad forthem that they can never take
it back.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, arewe really?
Speaker 1 (51:59):
is this really?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
how people think and how they feel, because if we're
willing to communicate, we'rewilling to be in group, we're
willing to network, there is somany resources.
I mean, that's how we left thisshow and just having people
understand that you don't haveto have this scarcity mentality.
There is enough for you to winall of your dreams and still
(52:23):
have more for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yes, yes, absolutely.
I mean, the point is that youdon't know what you don't know,
right, and I think our biggestdrawback really is awareness.
Yeah, we don't know, we don'tknow enough.
I mean, we're scared of what wedon't know, right?
So we just need to push theenvelope in terms of how much
(52:44):
more can we know?
I mean, you know, like I waslistening to Jim Quick one of
the things I listen to he saysknowledge is power.
But, action is superpower.
Yeah, because it's the blackknowledge right.
Yeah, exactly, if you act onwhat you know, then it becomes a
superpower.
(53:05):
So again I go back to awareness.
Again, we don't know If youdon't know ignorance.
I mean, sometimes folks don'tlike to say they're ignorant,
but it's again, we don't know Ifyou don't know ignorance.
Sometimes folks don't like tosay that you can learn, but it's
real.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
We don't know.
There's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
There's nothing wrong with not knowing it gives you.
Now you know what I need tolearn to get there.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
If you don't know now , but now you've been exposed to
it.
If you still don't know a yearfrom now, that's on you.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Well, exactly, you're right but again, I think you're
right and that's why I say thatwe have to be.
What do we want to do?
How do we?
Because, see, not knowing too,I mean comes from you know, in
my, the way I see it also, isthat there's no desire.
I mean, if you had a desire towant to do better, right, you're
(53:54):
going to find a way to learn.
Money is, in my view anyway.
I mean money because I saw it,you know, doing what we did from
where we started to where weare today.
Money is an inconvenience.
It cannot be determined if youwant it badly enough?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Well, what didn't we talk about?
We've been talking for almostan hour right now and I still
want more.
This has been such a greatconversation, but what do you
want to leave us with?
What do you want that we didn'ttalk about?
That you want to make sure thatour listeners know about?
Speaker 1 (54:28):
I would just say that we all have it in us to be
great people.
Our charge, what I try to do,and my wife and I does, is to we
try to just make a differencein the life of folks we come
across.
We have to learn to realizethat we can all lift each other.
(54:50):
Let's be about a business oflifting each other Because, at
the end of the day, whatdifference have we made in the
lives of the folks we've comeacross?
What we do in our business, inour company, premier Destiny, is
that our motto is that weenlighten people, we empower
(55:11):
people and we inspire them tothe greatness, because we
believe there's greatness inevery one of us.
We wanna help lift that, bringthat up, because it's about
collective consciousness, right,I mean, you know, and we all
have it in us Some of us don'tbelieve because we've been
beaten down.
The system has done whatever.
I agree there is that thesystem has a part to play, but
(55:34):
you know who has a bigger partto play?
We do, we do, absolutely.
We do, we do, and it's up to usto decide.
We have to.
Just you know, yes, there'scraziness in the country right
now.
There's some changes happening,but you know what Change to me,
is also opportunity.
What is it?
What can we do about it?
Let's welcome the change andfind out how we can use it to
(55:57):
our advantage, because you knowwhat Folks are going to benefit
from this change.
Why shouldn't we be a part ofit?
That's why sometimes I like towhen I look at this brother's
book right here.
I'm sure you've read this.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
You know, this inspires me, this inspires me.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
You know these are some of the things we need to.
You know we need to.
You know, just keep you knowagain, just know that it's
possible for us.
You know my wife wrote a book.
I'll just do a plot for mywife's book here.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Really Money, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, okay, that's my wife's book right there, so it
could help someone.
We have to be about a business.
This is a woman who has amaster's degree, you know, and
she never wrote a book.
She was able to write a bookbecause of the opportunities we
have in this country.
Anyone else can do that.
I will be writing my books.
They're going to come up, notright now, but they're on their
(56:48):
way, and if it's possible for me, it's possible for every one of
us.
We can do it, of course the lastthing I'm going to say is we
have to be about a businessphilanthropy.
We have to help one another.
Yeah, john and I love to give.
We love to support causesbecause we believe that if
you're blessed to be a blessingto your neighbor to others we're
not going to take any of thisstuff with us.
(57:08):
We we're just keepers, aren'twe?
Let's make a difference.
Thank you again, Brian.
Thank you, Dr You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Do you have a website that people can go to?
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yes, yes, it's Premier with an E
PremierDestinycom, premierE-R-E-M-I-E-R-E Destinycom.
Is there one thing?
Speaker 2 (57:30):
when they go there that they should absolutely do.
Is there a book that theyshould buy?
Is there a?
Well, I mean, they can check.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
just go through what we have in there.
Check our YouTube channel,LinkedIn and also Facebook.
Let them just go through andsee what.
If they can help them,certainly reach out to us.
We'll be glad to help them.
But we have to be about thebusiness of building each other
up, and that's what Jordan and Ihave decided to do.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Wow, thank you so much.
Thank you for being on today.
Thank you, yeah, just for thehonor of being able to have this
conversation with you.
And you know, like I said, Ilove this, the podcast format,
so much because we get to learnwhy somebody else was able to
make it.
We all try to make excuses.
Well, nobody's doing it andit's hard, but when you see
(58:16):
people that did not pick theexcuses, that learned through
the process, that kept going,that got around, people that are
lifting each other up, that'swhat we need more of, and so
that's what you gave us today inthe mountains and just, oh my
gosh, it was so good to talk toyou.
I want to do it again.
(58:37):
I want to follow up all thesewonderful things, and so, for
those of you watching, go aheadand hit subscribe button if you
haven't done that, because we'regoing to continue with great
programming.
I have Myron Golden going to beon the show here in a couple of
oh wow, Let me know I love thatfor Golden.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
I mean, he is.
I tell you he's one of myinspirations.
I just listened to thatwatching YouTube.
He is, but those are the kindof minds you want to get around.
Dr D, yeah, please let me knowwhen it's coming up, because I
want to know what it is I will,I will.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
We're going back and forth and today, and so you know
, as we continue, go ahead and,like I said, get the
notifications hit, subscribe Ifthis podcast meant something to
you or you know somebody that itwould mean for, send it to them
.
Send it to them because theonly thing they could do if it
could help them, and if theydon't listen to it, then that's
(59:29):
on them, but at least youoffered it to them so that they
could be as successful as theypossibly can be.
I want you not to forget thatyou're God's greatest gift.
He loves you.
If you allow him to, I can'twait to see you on the next one.
Paul, it has been a pleasure.
I look forward to talking toyou and we will see the rest of
you on the next one.
I had to work on me, which is a working program.
I had to work on my mindsetbecause I believe this is up to
me.
We control this.
We control everything my wifeand I do.
Now we want to take theresponsibility of reaching out
and helping someone else,because we all need a little bit
of help.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
All right, welcome to another edition of the Journey
to Freedom podcast, and I'm Dr B, I'm your host, and, just you
know, day by day goes by, and weget to do more of these, and I
get more excited about thepeople that are part of our
lives, the people that are justmaking a difference, and I love
to see that.
(00:49):
I love to look at why, though,because you know some of the
reasons or some of the thingsthat we think about at least me
as a Black African-American manthat's in our country and all
the things that happen and allthe conversations that happen.
Sometimes I just wonder, youknow, am I making a difference?
Am I doing the things that giveback?
(01:10):
Because when I think aboutliving in my purpose and how I
can give back to others that aredoing, sometimes I wonder what
impact or difference you make inyour lives.
And then you get to.
You know I was just talking tomy granddaughter, and you know
she's only three years old, butI'm having like a normal
conversation and just thinkingabout what her life gets to be
(01:30):
like and what I get to say toher and what are going to be the
themes of the things that Iwill tell her over the years and
if success leaves clues, can Imake sure that I'm giving her
the best possible chance to besuccessful?
Sometimes I think about oureducation system and think that
(01:52):
are they doing enough or are weputting too much faith in what
they're supposed to do and whattheir ability to do is?
You know, because I kind ofthink of you know, when I think
about schools and I don't know,paul, if you kind of came over
here and you know from WestAfrica and grew up there and
then you entered into some ofour school systems and sometimes
I think they're just made tohelp us get jobs and then make
(02:15):
sure that we work within thesystem so that we don't bucket
enough and then we get thechance to move out and do some
more stuff.
I can tell you're a reader.
I'm looking at the bookshelfbehind you.
And so that's where we'reself-educated, right.
That's not somebody telling youhow you're supposed to act.
That's you finding out what isout there, what knowledge?
Is there and how to make ithappen, and so that's why I love
(02:38):
this podcast, because I'mtalking to real people who are
doing real things, who are notpart of well, we're all part of
systems, but not necessarilysaying this system was formed.
We know it doesn't work, but Ijust want to perpetuate it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So nobody's saying that on this show, because we're
looking at what success is, andso thank you for being on today
.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Thank you for your willingness to share with us and
share your story, and I can'twait to hear it.
I just love this is.
My favorite part of the show iswhere I get to know people.
You know, I was on a showyesterday and they just read my
bio and I'm like you know.
I know that's what you askedfor, but my bio just talks about
(03:21):
what I do.
It doesn't talk about who I am,and so I love the fact that I
get to find out who you are andthen we get to talk about what
you do, which is super importantand it's things that make us
happy, but it just means morewhen I know who you are and
where you came from when Idecide what it is that you do.
So please go ahead and sharewith us.
(03:42):
I can't wait to hear your story, and then we'll just kind of
chop it up right after that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Good deal.
Well, thank you, Dr B.
It's an honor and pleasure tobe on your podcast to share, to
share what we you know myjourney.
I have to really congratulateyou for the podcast.
Journey to Freedom.
That kind of it's intriguing.
I like the name, so congrats onthat.
(04:08):
Thank you, and putting thisavenue out there for us to talk,
because I think an essentialpart of life is communication.
It's a hard work.
Oftentimes folks get into a lotof trouble because they don't
communicate, they don't hear oneanother.
So this is a chance for us tobe able to share some thoughts
and communicate and see what youknow.
(04:28):
If I say a few things that mayhelp someone out there.
I mean that's the purpose here,because I think that's what
you're about, and I salute youfor that, sir.
Well, again, my name is PaulTim Bundy and I came to the
United States a while back 1985,from Cameroon, west Africa,
(04:52):
seeking a better future.
Actually, I came to go toschool is really what it was Dad
wanted me to.
Dad was someone who I was usedto I'm his first son and so dad
wanted the best for me and so Itold him.
I said listen, dad, let me justcome to America.
There was something aboutAmerica.
(05:13):
There was something aboutAmerica.
I just felt like when I, if Icame to America, all my dreams
would come true.
I mean, I don't know.
I didn't know what they were,but I just it was something
that's about freedom, you know,being in control yourself, I
mean, and then, and then I also.
I was also happy, because thatcould not just come.
He asked me from America, right.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I wanted some freedom .
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So from Cameroon it's a long, it's a long journey.
It's about a journey of about16 hours, right, I mean.
So you know, when you leaveCameroon it takes you to get
here, and so you know, when youleave Calamari it takes you to
get here.
And so you know, I just wantedto make that, make that journey.
I had some family members hereand so I came to spend some time
with them and go to school.
Go to college is what I camefor and, like I said, when I
(06:00):
went to college, I fell in lovewith the people.
Americans to me, you know, arethe folks the most loving, you
know.
I mean, you know, folks with aheart to me, I mean I think this
is the greatest world, thegreatest country in the world.
I believe that it has notchanged.
In fact, my faith in Americahas been grown over the years.
Oh nice and we'll talk aboutthat, you know.
So I came here to go to collegeand it was a hard time because,
(06:23):
as you know, I have an accentright.
So when you talk to folks hereI mean, uh, you know, uh, you
gotta you have that accident, soit's hard for folks to
understand you sometimes.
So I remember when I was goingto this community college, uh, I
would talk, met this german,elder german, african american
german.
I was trying to be friendlywith him and I would talk to him
and say what did, did you say,because I was speaking pretty
(06:45):
fast, right?
And he would say, well, whatdid you say?
And I said, well, just write itdown.
So I kind of got tired of that.
I mean writing you know what Ihad to say down every time you
know I kind of got tired of that.
I said, well, I learned how totalk slowly.
(07:08):
And so I went to college and hada, you know, had an associate's
degree I think it was infinance, I believe now and I
went on to a regular four-yearuniversity and graduated with a
bachelor's degree in business,finance, cumulati.
Wow, okay, yeah, it was achallenge.
(07:28):
I'll tell you that.
I mean it was a challenge, justgraduate.
Well, not that I mean I figuredI had the brains for that, it
was just the whole makeup of it.
I mean I had to do math, which Ihated.
Man, I hated.
Algebra is really what I hated.
Dr D, I hated algebra, okay,but I figured that I had to get
algebra and calculus to graduate, right?
So you know, my dad was comingfor my graduation, oh, Okay, you
(07:55):
make a 16-hour flight andeverything.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's what they were coming okay so.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I had to step up.
All right, it was not easy, letme tell you, but you know, I
found out that there was somestrengths in me that I didn't
know.
I had to step up.
It was not easy, let me tellyou, but I found out that there
were some strengths in me that Ididn't know I had.
Okay, I got busy.
That's what, paul.
If you've got to get an algebraand calculus and all this, then
you have to study, you've gotto put in the work, you've got
to figure it out.
So I figured it out.
I got into myself that's kindof when I knew that had some
(08:26):
superpowers within me that Ididn't know existed.
That's awesome.
And I think that will happen, ofcourse, in a time of challenge.
That time when you'rechallenged, you see, some
strength comes out of you, someknowledge comes out of you that
you may not think you had.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
When it came out, so I was able to study algebra.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I mean, I passed it and I started teaching other
people algebra.
Can you believe that?
Wow, you started teaching.
I taught other students algebra.
Wow, because I decided that itwas so necessary for me to to,
to, to, to understand thiscourse, pass this course, to get
that degree.
Remember dad was coming.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, dad's not going to be happy if you don't know
this.
If you don't really graduate.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Exactly so.
I graduated, like I said, cumlaude, very happy.
And then, when I graduated,while I was in school, I was
working as a security guard.
It was something I could do.
I decided, well, I'll pay myway and all of that.
Thankfully, that was paying forsome of the college, so that
was good.
Ok, but I had to live here, soI wanted to support Dad with
(09:27):
that.
So I was working.
Now, while I was working as asecurity guard, I got to
thinking because the friends ofmine who were also in college,
going through college, were alsoworking.
Some were working in the bankas a teller and going to school
as we did back in those days.
And so I realized that whenthis guy graduated, he graduated
(09:50):
from college and went tograduate school he still kept
his job as a teller.
Now, growing up, I wanted to bea stockbroker.
That's really what I wanted todo.
Okay, so, as a security guard,I said, well, if I go to
graduate school, because whengraduated I was going to go into
graduate school and what I wasgoing to study and whatnot.
But then I said, well, let melook at what is what other folks
(10:12):
who have graduated and gone tograduate school have earned,
what I've been doing.
And I saw folks doing same jobor jobs they were doing while
they were on a grant.
I said, well, that's not for me, cause I didn't want to go to
school and then end up doing thesame job.
I started looking into businessopportunities at that point.
What am I going to do forbusiness?
(10:32):
What can I do?
Because I remember I wanted tobe in control of myself.
I wanted freedom.
I wanted freedom.
I wanted to be in control of mysituation, especially
financially.
The only way I could I saw mystudent I was to be in business
myself, so I got into Amway.
Okay, back in the early 90s Igot into Amway.
I did not make much money I didnot make I don't think I didn't
(10:54):
make much money at all but Ilearned some things.
I learned something I learnedmindset, as, let's allow.
I learned personal development,and that was a change for me.
I heard from folks who saidthat I could be everything I
wanted to be if I worked for it.
It wasn't the color of my skinthat necessarily.
(11:15):
Well, of course, there's goingto be challenges anyhow, but if
you worked hard, you could endup overcoming some of these
barriers.
So I got into reading, which tome, is my superpower.
I got into reading.
Along the way, I learned somethings.
I learned some things thatchanged for me too.
You know, one of the folks Iread about, you know, was Mr
(11:38):
Freddy Douglas.
Yep, okay, mr FrederickDouglass.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay and I heard that reading and stuff that he
realized how important readingwas, that it made it something
he had to learn to do.
So reading became a big thingfor me.
I started studying.
I couldn't get enough books onpersonal growth, personal
development.
How do I get ahead?
(12:03):
You?
know things of that nature andthat that desire for me is
presented today.
Now, like I said, after, afterI graduated from uh, from uh
from college, I wanted to.
I didn't really want to workthis.
I mean, I did some jobs andwhatnot, but my goal was to be
in control of my own destiny.
That was a big thing for me,you know, uh.
And then later on, along as theyears moved on, uh, we got into
(12:28):
the computer age, where I?
Uh got into computers, as youknow, because we came back then
and my wife my wife who used mysweetheart from high school, was
in england.
I had to come over from englandhere.
Okay, join me.
We started raising a family.
We're in computers.
She was a database administrator, I was a computer systems
engineer, but again, that urgeagain to be in business myself
(12:53):
kept tugging at me.
It was in my heart to do more,to be in control of my business.
So once she came on, we decidedto.
You know, she did some work inthe healthcare field, taking
care of seniors, and she said,well, honey, there could be,
this seems like something wemight want to get into.
I said, fine, let's go for it.
(13:15):
So we decided to buy afranchise, a home care
franchisor.
We bought a franchise, a homecare industry, take care of
seniors.
That's what we said.
We did that in 2002.
And Brian, we did that justbecause I will tell you this.
Anywhere in the world thatwould have happened to me.
It was possible because I livedin America.
(13:37):
Inside of the challenges,because I lived in America, I
had an opportunity to buysomething like that.
Now let me tell you how webought that.
We didn't have any money.
Okay, we took an advance on ourcredit card To buy a business.
What I think?
(13:57):
The advance was $12,000 andsome changes Slightly under
$13,000.
We took an advance on our creditcard to buy a franchise, brian.
We started building a franchisein 2002.
Two years later we boughtanother franchise because the
first one was doing so well itpaid for the second one.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Wow, same industry.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes, sir, absolutely Okay.
It's the cell, the selffranchises, who were bought the
second one two years later onlytwo years, as a matter of fact,
and it was much bigger than theone we had bought before, almost
twice as big, paid for by thefirst one.
Okay, we kept on building, kepton building, kept up, kept
hiring people and doing things,and then eventually we uh,
(14:43):
someone was selling.
We bought that franchise,another one, the third one kept
on building, kept on building,and then we decided to buy a
fourth one in washington.
Okay, today we uh, we employnorth of 300 people.
We've served thousands ofpeople over the years.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Okay, and we're blessed and I say that because I
couldn't have done thatanywhere else.
It was because of what ourforefathers Mr Frank Douglas, dr
EW DeBoer, all these Malcolm X,all these you, dr B DeBoer, all
(15:26):
these Mark Remex, all these,you, dr D, folks like you what
you did for you guys made thispossible for us.
Okay, so it goes back to thejourney of freedom.
I think that you know I'msaying all this to thank the
system, our people.
You know I'm on the backs ofwhat they've done for us.
(15:48):
That's what it means, because,like I said we're at work, but
if you don't have theopportunity to succeed, it's not
going to work for you, and Ithink that what our people have
done, what this society has done, what America represents Now,
america is not perfect.
No country is perfect.
No country is perfect.
No country is perfect, exactly,but I think that America
represents the best of humanity,in spite of what we'll face
(16:12):
today.
So that's my story, Dr B.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh man, I guess I love it.
I've got so many questions Like.
The first question I have isyou know you were teaching
people algebra.
Do you still use algebra allthe time?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Not right now.
Not right, that's a good one.
Doesn't mean no.
What doesn't mean I, I was inthere because I remember I had
to get that degree.
I know, I know your daddy wascoming right so.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So when dad came and he saw you graduate, was he
excited for you.
Oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I mean, dad did not earn a college.
He did not earn a collegedegree.
Okay, he was very well educated, self-made millionaire.
He went to school, but he didnot have a degree.
He did not have the opportunityto have a degree.
So he was very excited he won.
I mean, to me it was just thehe could.
In fact, he earned his degreethrough.
In my eyes, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So, yeah, it was a big deal and it was kind of the
handoff it sounds like to thenext generation.
I worked so hard so that youcould achieve, and then you
proved to him that you did whathis dreams were.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Absolutely, we went for all of our kids.
Yes, 100%, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What I also want to talk about is just the identity.
There's things that happen inour lives, pivotal points that
happen in our lives that allowus to either excel or retract.
And when those obstacles comeand you have this identity of I
(17:41):
want to pursue my dreams, I'mcoming here.
I think America is a place todo it.
Then you get here and peopleact like they can't understand
you and they make it difficultfor you.
What part of your identityallowed you to say that doesn't
matter, I'm going to still pushforward, because I guess I would
(18:03):
believe that some people justgo back home because it's easier
.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yes, yes, Dr B, you're right.
I mean, I think that withregards to that gentleman who
said he could not understand, Idon't think that I would even
believe that gentleman at all tobe, honest with you.
I mean the gentleman just didn'tunderstand what I was saying.
I mean it is what it is.
I mean he was just being realwith me, right, and I think that
(18:30):
see to me things like that.
I look at life as feedback.
Okay To me.
I took it as feedback, right, Imean because I have to relate
to a wider audience right.
And if I did not learn to relateto this one person, I'd be
missing the boat.
I mean, I think in life we haveto look at things.
We can't just look at things assomeone is against me, all
(18:51):
right, because everyone has ajourney.
I mean, again, your program isJourney to Freedom.
Everyone has their journey, Imean, and in that journey you're
going to go through obstacles,challenges are going to be there
, right?
I think the biggest thing is tohave that sense of resiliency,
if you will, to want to go afterthis, because challenges are
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going to come.
I mean, I was in the officetoday and we had some challenges
.
We had some challenges in theoffice.
I mean, I had a lady in theoffice who's been with us for a
little over two years, a greatproducer and I'll go back to
your question but great producerfor the team, right?
She said, well, paul, listen,it's time for me to move on.
She's in her 60s and I respecther, but she's a great producer,
(19:35):
you know.
And I said well, paul, I reallyneed to move on.
It's the next chapter of my life, I think.
Well, and we had a meeting,talk, and I gave us some other
avenues here.
I looked at different advantagepoints.
How can we make this a win-win?
I know what your priorities areat this stage of your life, but
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are you open to some otheroptions here?
What are those options?
And we started talking.
Could you go part-time?
Could we create a differentposition for you here where we
can take advantage of theresources you have, the
experience you have?
So it works for you, it worksfor us.
So I'm just saying that in life, you know we can't these.
They're going to come up.
I mean, I think the test of aperson you know is because life
(20:18):
is going to throw this test atus.
How we navigate through itmakes a difference because, as
you know, it's not what happensto you, how you respond to what
happens, how you respond to whathappens.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, it reminds me I wrote a book that's called
there Is no Tiger, which isabout overcoming, overthinking
and controlling anxiety.
And I tell a story in the bookbecause you're talking about
challenges where everything wasgoing wrong.
You know, I had team membersand we won a sales contest and
we're going to St Martin in theCaribbean and things aren't
(20:54):
going right.
And you know I'm at the pointwhere they lost our reservations
for our rooms and you know weflew all, we flew on all the way
from Los Angeles to, you know,to get there.
So now we're at, you know, 12hours of traveling.
It's just irritated.
And so I'm pretty short withthe clerk, I can admit that.
(21:16):
And the concierge comes runningfrom the other end of the room
and he's like what's wrong withyou, man?
And then I begin to tell himthe story and he looks at me and
he goes.
You know he kind of goes.
There's no tigers and there'sno this he says.
But on the island, man, thereare no problems, only
(21:40):
inconveniences.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
There you go, that's it inconveniences.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
There you go, that's it.
So I've tried to live my lifethese days thinking
inconveniences don't stop you.
No, they shouldn't.
Problems sometimes do, becauseof the way that we respond to
them.
But when we think of them asinconveniences, hey, this is
just another blip in my shorttime on this planet that I'm
trying to make things happen,which is just another blip in my
short time on this planet thatI'm trying to make things happen
(22:07):
Absolutely, which is so cool.
So you graduate from collegeand then you go into Amway and
you're in, and I remember theAmway days.
I think a lot of us did that.
Yes, you know drawing circlesand hoping somebody's going to
come there.
Then you sell like a couple barsof soap and you can make $2.
I'm going to be rich.
(22:28):
A few years later you're stillonly making $2.
But the personal development,what kind of?
Because that that kind ofprobably started your personal
development.
What kinds of things did youdecide you were going to do to
concentrate on you so that youcould become the person that
(22:49):
could buy the franchise and thenbe successful in the franchise?
What were some?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
of the things that you did?
Good question I had to work onme.
I had to work on me, which is awork in progress.
As you know, you never reallyget to work on you, right, I had
to work on me I had to work onyou right, how to work on me,
how to work on my mindset,because I believe this is up to
me.
We control this, we controleverything.
I mean that's once you control.
(23:14):
That's why I focus a lot on mystudy even today, because we
again I'll talk about that laterwe started a personal
development company.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
We did okay.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
My focus today is this A lot of us feel like you
talked about the inconvenience,which is really, to me, it's all
a matter of perspective.
You just switched it.
You said it's not a problem,it's an inconvenience, right
there, you can deal with it.
You see, it's an inconvenience.
I mean, right there, you candeal with it.
Because you see that, well, Icouldn't.
(23:47):
I mean, oh okay, we can takecare of this.
So for me, it was more mindset.
I had to grow, that I had torealize I was bigger than who I
was presenting myself to be.
Believe in self, all right,challenges are always going to
be there, but how do you becomethem?
And then, when I saw peopleovercoming these challenges,
especially people of color,doing that, okay, I said, oh
(24:10):
well, if he can do it, I can do,because you know the challenge
with us, you know and ourcommunity.
I think that up to be is thatwe don't have a lot of role
models we can lean on.
Okay, there's no apprenticeship.
Okay, I mean no one holding youup, all right.
Now we see all these folks whoare making it big and all these
things and all that, but they'retoo far from us, right, we
(24:32):
can't reach out and talk to themRight, which makes a big
difference, I think, because youknow, if you can talk to
someone like we're talking nowand if we can take their,
that's's what I try, my wife,that I do now, what I take the
responsibility, richard, helpsomeone else, because we all
need a little bit of help.
I mean, you know we all do.
(24:53):
I mean, and I think the biggestthing we like, and I mean the
way I've seen it, the biggestthing I think, is that empathy
for one another.
We shouldn't, we shouldn't be acase where, because you've made
it, you climb up a ladder andget under a tree and then you
push the ladder down and thenext person looks for a
different ladder.
Come on, no, that's not howBill Gates does it.
That's not how the other richpeople make it.
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That's not a success.
They have a system in place.
What is that system?
Can we use that in our favor?
Because we're smart, we'restrong people, we're very
resilient people.
We have it in us, it's in there.
But if we don't know that, wedon't act like we have it, it
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ain't going to come out how weshowing up.
Everyone has challenges, but wecan't relate, and I know racism
is a big part of it.
I get that.
But you know what?
I don't let that stop meanymore.
Stop the reason.
No, no, it's an inconvenience.
It's an inconvenience.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean I'm not going to change my color.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
No, why I have to be proud of who I am.
Yeah, I, I mean we have.
I mean, look at OpenWay for you, look at all these other folks
who have made it To me.
That just proves to me that wecan make it, absolutely, of
course.
And I think we need to tell ourstory more and more and more,
(26:20):
because if we don't do that,then folks are going to
gravitate to the lowest possiblecommon denominator and not
really, whereas we have a talentin us to make it happen.
I mean, that's how my daughter,my daughter, became a.
She's an MD, she's adermatologist.
Okay, she graduated last year.
(26:40):
She's in a what is it?
Her residency?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
right now Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Because she saw the possibilities.
In our home we talk aboutpossibilities.
We have to not take excusesBecause you've got to hold
yourself to a higher standard.
Dr B, you do, you do.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
One of the things that has been a common
denominator in this show, asI've done now.
I've done over 150 episodes ofsuccessful Black men who are
doing things, but almost everysingle one of them has said you
know, I wanted to see somebodyelse who looked like me doing it
.
And what I find is we keepseeing it, we keep seeing it, we
(27:25):
keep seeing it, yes, but it'sthe person who takes advantage
after they see it.
And what I find is we keepseeing it, we keep seeing it, we
keep seeing it, yes, but it'sthe person who takes advantage
after they see it, without theexcuses of well, because I
guarantee there's some people inour community that says that
you were lucky, that says that.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Luck is a part of it.
I prefer blessed.
It's a part of it.
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I know it's a part of it You're blessed.
Know it's a part of it You'reblessed, but they're saying
that's the reason.
It's like you didn't put anywork in or you didn't go through
or you didn't have any failures, like everything you touch
turned to gold.
Now you and I know that that isnot the case.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Not close.
Not close, no, sir, that wouldbe right.
But again, I think that's kindof where we need to.
I like questions like that, Ilike those kind of thoughts, but
I think that's where we need tocommunicate, yeah, okay, and
reason with each other.
I don't want to say educate,because you know it could come
out the wrong way.
We need to talk Right.
And let me hear my storyBecause, see, if I don't know
(28:25):
your story, I may be judging itfrom the wrong lens.
Of course, correct, so we needto.
I think that's where we need to.
Success, like you said, leavesclues and success involves it's
a journey.
And that journey there's goingto be ups and downs, right,
there's going to be thingsyou're going to learn, unlearn,
(28:45):
and all of that.
It's a journey.
They don't call it a journey.
A journey means it's a process.
To it, I mean, we've got to getaway from this microwave oven
type generational mentality andgimme, gimme, gimme.
Like I said, the way we raiseour kids, our dogs now is that
you've got to earn it.
Mom and dad aren't going togive it to you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm sorry we're not going to do that.
Well, the thing that I lovewhat you said about earning it
and what I'm realizing more,because my life's goal is to
help people become the personthey need to be in order to do
what God put them on this earthto do.
But when you talk about earningit, you have to earn the right
to become.
But when you talk about earningit, you have to earn the right
to become.
You have to earn that, you know, because you can do, and a lot
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of people try to go do and thinkthey're going to have.
But until you become a personwho can do the thing and when I
think about earning, it's notlike, okay, well, I got to go to
a certain amount of years ofschool or I got to go sit with
some mentors, I mean, those areall part of it, but you have to
earn your stripes of who you are, you got to do the work.
(29:52):
You got to do the work and yougot to do the work.
To do that, you have to becomethat person that can then do
whatever.
It is that thing.
And there's so many of us thatthink that that somehow comes
through osmosis, like if I watchenough television of successful
people, I can be successful.
But those are actors, right,they're pretending to be
(30:12):
successful people, right, dr B?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
that's why I talked about in your early question I
think it was your first questionI talked about I got to work on
me.
Yeah, yeah, the most importantwork is to work on us.
You know that.
I mean I think we all that'sthe most important work.
That internal work that no onesees right, that internal work,
that disciplines.
You know, sometimes we talkabout morning disciplines, daily
(30:34):
disciplines, what is it you're?
after?
Who do you really want to be?
Who do you see yourself being?
What do you want to make?
What mark do you want to makein society?
Because we all, like you said,we all have a message, we have a
mission, right I?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
mean, what's our mission?
What percent?
Because I'm trying to find thisnumber and, you know, I think
I'm getting closer to it.
But what percentage when Ithink about it, because you have
a personal development company,which is even more helpful for
this question.
What percentage of time and itmight be different seasons, it
might be at this age, at thisage, but should you spend
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minimum, I guess, on working onyou as you progress?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I would.
I mean I spend at least acouple hours.
I mean for me personally, Ispend a couple, I mean I would
say at least four hours a day,because that's important work To
me.
That's important work I mean youknow, and that's to me, that's
at least four hours, like I saidearlier because see Dr B, to me
(31:36):
and some of the reading I'veread I've gone through we have
to spend time with ourselves alot.
I mean, you know, I'm not muchof a Bible person.
I read it and all that, but ifyou notice the great historical
people, you know even in theBible spend time by themselves.
They spend a lot of time bythemselves.
(31:58):
I mean talking to God and going.
You know, they just spend timealone.
That alone time is reallyimportant.
We can't spend all our time onwhatever Netflix or television
or whatnot and expect to reachour dreams.
It ain't going to happen.
We have to spend time talkingto ourselves, finding out who we
(32:21):
are, what we put on earth to do, because, like I said, we make
ourselves strong enough.
Racism don't have a chance.
No, no, don't have a chance.
No is next right.
I mean, that's the internalwork we talked about, though I
mean are we doing it?
Are we doing it daily?
How much time are we puttinginto it?
Because I believe that if wework eight hours or whatever I
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think at least I we're 24 hoursa day.
Right like carnegie was saying,you know this, that's what we
call opportunity time, becauseif you work eight hours, six
hours, you got eight hours.
What are we doing with thatopportunity time, though?
Yep?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
and you know so say it's that four hours waking time
, that's 20 of the time that youhave that you are working on,
whether it's reading a book, orwatching a YouTube video, or
communicating with others.
I mean, there's all kinds ofways that you can work on you
taking a class.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But what I see, what I see especially in our
community and you can maybe helpme the difference because you
have to sacrifice a little bit Isee when I see education as
being that 20% where you'reeducating yourself, working on
you, but then I see the other,where people are spending that
20%, is on entertainment,especially these days, because
it's in our faces so much we canscroll up and down, we can
(33:42):
watch videos all night, mindlessstuff that takes us away from
our lives, not realizing.
If we spend some time workingon the other thing, then our
life doesn't need theentertainment.
Right, because I don't see youas a big, I'm going to watch six
hours of TV every day.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Dr B years ago, when I was at Amway one of our
uplines I see everybody readingthe newspaper.
I said what do you want to be?
Do you want to be on thenewspaper?
Do you want to just beconsuming information, or do you
want to be mentioned in thepaper?
I mean, you want to mention itin a good way, right?
(34:22):
You don't want to just readabout stories, and I think
that's the because you talkedabout.
To me time and I'm sure youagree with this time to me is
the most precious commodityreally.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Infinitely more valuable than money, exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Because you can't get it back.
I mean, you can't get it back.
So I think it's how we managethat, how we use that to
allocate our time, that makesthe biggest difference to me.
I'm an early riser, that's justthe way I do it.
I'm going to wake up early.
I'm going to locate that again.
The big thing is, to your pointagain.
What I was going to say was thatI think sometimes we need to
(34:58):
just spend time to ask ourselveswhat do we want?
Who do we want to be?
How do we want to impact theworld?
Our world, it doesn't have tobe.
How do we want to impact theworld Our world, it doesn't have
to be the whole country, likeDr King did and the other folks
did.
How do we want to impact ourfamily?
How do we want to make itbetter for the next generation?
I think if we answer thosequestions to ourselves as soon
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as they give us that motivation,we want to spend less time on
TV or whatever else we need todo and then be about the
business of making thatdifference, because, like you
said, you can't give what youdon't have, and the
self-education in me is a partof fitting out well, so to speak
, to be able to share what we'vegot with other people.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well and here's how I know that and thinking about
what you're saying, that time isinfinitely more valuable than
money.
If I, if I were to say I wouldgive you, say I'm a, write you a
check for five million dollars,no strings attached, I just
want to get, I'm aphilanthropist, I just want to
give out five million dollars,would you take it?
And you would say, yes, ofcourse I'll take it.
Five million dollars, yeah, Icould do so.
(36:13):
I could give it away if Ineeded to, right.
But then if I were to say I'mgoing to give you five million
dollars, but the the conditionis that you.
You only get it for 24 hours andthen you die.
Would you still take it?
There's no way, right, becauseour time doing things that don't
move us forward, that don'tgrow us, that don't help us
become that person.
(36:34):
Yes, I want to ask you abouttrust, because you come over
here, you know and you have totrust that.
You have this belief thatAmerica is going to be all that
you've dreamed about through thetime that you're there.
But then there's people andrelationships that you have to
trust as you're here.
How did you develop that senseof who to trust, who not to
(36:58):
trust?
Because in our community wehave so much trouble not only
trusting, let's say, the whiteman, but we don't trust each
other, we don't trust ourselves,we don't trust our wives and
the women that are in our lives.
We trust our mom, but otherthan that, we struggle with this
thing called trust.
How did you overcome at leastthe stereotypes of what happens
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in this country around trust, drB.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I think that that issue is all over, I think in
Cameroon, where I'm fromoriginally we have that issue
too.
It's gotten worse now with theway things are going.
Now.
Everyone wants it.
Yesterday, they want to succeedso badly that they do the wrong
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things, they make the wrongchoices.
To me it's through a process ofnumber one.
You have to demand of yourselfa certain standard.
You want to be a person ofintegrity because you kind of
attract what you are right.
I believe that's very strong.
You attract who you are.
First of all, I want to holdmyself to a's very strong.
You have to trust who you are.
So you know, first of all Iwant to hold myself to a
(38:10):
person's integrity.
I'm not saying I can't, I don'tmake wrong decisions or
anything wrong.
I do that.
But I hold myself to a highstandard.
Where the folks that I'vetracked you know I've been
burned along the and they'regoing to do, you know, say
something, do it.
It happens.
But it's been to me.
For me it's been through aprocess of trial and error and
then holding myself to a higherstandard, and then when I do
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that, I attract certain peoplein my life that I can count on.
You know, are they always goingto be there?
Now I mean I've been burned byfamily members and whatnot it's
going to happen.
But then you know, as you go,as you progress in life, they
see you, they see who you'reabout and what you stand for and
then you tend to attract, Ithink, different people in your
(38:54):
life because they see that youwant things done a certain way.
It's a process and I'm notsaying I prefer it in no way.
I'm still learning.
It's a process, but that isfundamental because, as you know
, even in business, if you can'tcount on someone, you can't do
business with them.
I mean, why do folks flock overhere to America to do business?
(39:16):
Because they can count on theUnited States.
Okay, they know we're a stablecountry and all of that.
That's why they come in here.
So trust is fundamental and weneed to build that because, like
I said, you know I mean ittakes.
I mean I remember Mrs MichelleObama's book I think was it her
book it takes a village.
(39:36):
Yeah, okay, it takes a village.
So it's going to take more ofus pulling our resources
together and doing stuff, but wecan't trust each other, right?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
And then when somebody as abusiness person, when somebody,
I guess, compromises your trustin them, sometimes we still
because they're friends orthey're family, and we continue
to not say okay, I need to putyou a little bit further away
(40:09):
from me, a little further atarm's weight, until you can now
prove yourself that you can betrustworthy and so we have to,
we have to take it away from ourhearts a little bit sometimes
yes, you know well because we'renot helping them right.
We're not helping them byallowing you to continue the
behavior, and yet we do well,but don't be right.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I mean, see, the thing is for me, I really will
not do business with friends.
Yeah, I mean I prefer not to dothat because I think I value
the relationship more than themoney.
Yes, okay, I mean, if we'rebusiness, let's do business.
But it's hard sometimes to havea clean break because then if
things go south with thebusiness, it impacts the
(40:50):
relationship Right.
So I really prefer not to dobusiness with friends.
If we started out in businessand we became friends, that's a
whole different thing.
But I will not.
I mean I would just not do it.
I mean it's going to be let'smake it professional, because we
tend to, you know, we tend toinadvertently, you know, combine
the two, and I think that'swhere the problem comes in.
(41:10):
I mean we have to just beupfront with each other,
recognizing that issues aregoing to come up, and just deal
with them.
I think it makes it worse whenyou try to hide, right?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
And that's what we do , right?
That's exactly what we do,especially when there's a
friendship there.
And then we think about acontract.
Right, the contracts that wehave, that we sign, are based on
a mutual distrust in the firstplace.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, we have to have this contract.
Because I don't yeah or wedon't trust that you're going to
do yeah what you say you'regoing to do.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, when you start that with friends, then you're
going.
I'm already starting off.
You've been my friend all thistime.
We're supposed to be trust andI'm going to ask you to sign
this thing that says we don'ttrust each other, yeah, yeah,
exactly it puts us all in a badsituation yes it does, what I,
what I want to talk about,because I think it's important,
especially in this context,because you have I can't ask all
(42:02):
my guests you know about moneyand how money works and and and
you know rich dad, poor dad andall that kind of stuff because
they they haven't proven that itproven that it's something that
they can handle.
You talked about an investmenton your credit card for the
(42:22):
$12,000, whatever it was to buyyour first franchise.
When we as a communitysometimes get money, we spend
more than we're making all thetime and then we end up with all
these money issues and we don'tunderstand how to utilize debt
and all that kind of stuff.
I know all the lessons that youlearned about money weren't at
(42:43):
the community college.
When you're going through yourbusiness classes or the
university, what kinds of thingsdid you learn around the way
that would be beneficial, likeour foundational things that we
need to know about money inorder to double, triple,
quadruple the amount of moneythat we have?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Great question, dr B.
Great question.
I learned that you have torespect money.
Okay, I learned that you haveto respect money.
Okay, you have to respect money.
Money is a tool.
We have to have a budget.
I remember my wife and Istarting out.
Remember I told you I was asecurity guard, right, yeah.
(43:25):
And then I kind of graduatedand became a leasing consultant
okay, showing people apartmentsright, it's a graduation here.
Uh, way back when and she was,um, she used to be cashier at a,
at a retail store, okay, infact, we used to have to.
(43:45):
We ran out of it was anapartment we're in, so we had to
wait.
We had to put out two checks topay rent.
Okay, I mean, it is what it is,that's what it was.
So we had to be on a budget.
We couldn't just be frivolouswith our money.
So we started then to putourselves on a budget.
Okay, we're going to, you know,make sure we're in it.
That's what we did starting outand eventually, as we knew more
(44:09):
, we hung around folks.
The first thing, I think you'vegot to have a desire to earn
some money.
You have to have a desire,you've got to want to get away
from just paying the bills.
That's why I asked the questionbefore who do you want to be?
What mark do you want to leavein society, in your family, what
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do you want to do for fun?
Because once we ask ourselvesall those questions, then we
start saying, well, what does itneed to get there?
We start reading get aroundfolks that have done some of
this stuff and then we startseeing what we need to do.
So I learned from others.
Like I talked about the budget,paying yourself first is
important.
Putting money away is importantBecause, as we all know, you
(44:55):
have a bank account and you takeout more than you have in there
.
Guess what Overdrive?
Right, you get to pay for it,you have fees and then you can
only get to some point becauseit's not your money anymore.
Now you're taking it from thebank.
Yeah, yeah, right.
So we have to learn to savemoney.
We've done it from the bank.
Yeah, yeah, right.
So we have to learn to savemoney.
We've done it over the years.
Generations, our generationshave done it.
(45:16):
Black folks they do, but wehave to get away from.
We got to spend every dime weget.
Now, again, how much are?
We put some money away and thenyou're putting money for what?
Have goals and dreams of whatyou want to do with them?
Because I was going to readthis to you.
This is something that Dr B,I'm going to read this and just
(45:36):
bear with me here.
This is important Saving forgreatness.
Your savings, believe it or not,affect the way you stand, the
way you walk, the tone of yourvoice, in short, your physical
well-being and self-confidence.
A man without savings is alwaysrunning.
He must take the first joboffered on the early start.
(45:58):
He sits nervously on life'scheers because any small
emergency throws him into thehands of others.
Without savings, a man must betoo grateful.
Gratitude is fine, it's a finething in its place, but a
constant state of gratitude is ahorrible place in which to live
(46:19):
.
A man with savings can walktall.
He may appraise opportunitiesin a relaxed way, have time for
judicious estimate and not berushed by economic necessity.
And it's a long, but I'll leaveit at that.
So it goes by the savings thing.
We have to buy into thatconcept, because if you don't
have that, if you don't have thesavings, you're not saving,
(46:40):
you're not putting money awayfor yourself.
Well, how could you invest inanything, how could you be a
part of affecting in a positiveway your economic future?
Because, remember, we've got toremember that we are in a
capitalist environment.
So, guess what?
We have to control some of thatcapital.
(47:00):
We have to get off thesidelines.
We are owners, we'restakeholders here, and one of
the ways to be a stakeholder isyou got to own some of the
capital.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Oh my gosh.
If you can find a way to sendthat to us, we'll put it in the
show notes.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
You like that.
Okay, I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, I like it, it's really good.
One of the things that you justsaid that really intrigued me,
because you kept saying we needto save, but when you added on
to that, you said we need tosave so that we can invest.
Because when I think about theaccumulation of cash or whatever
, I think about a pool or likethe Dead Sea or whatever that is
(47:42):
where we put money.
If we just put money in a potor a can, it loses its value
over time, because the amount ofthat you can buy with just
inflation alone.
So you're saving it, so you canput it somewhere where you can
now have your money grow, and sothat's such an important part
of the savings.
(48:02):
It's more than just go put itunder your mattress or stick it
in a you know, an account thatdoesn't have any any way to
invest.
It is.
I have to have it, though,because I've got to take a
portion of whatever I've got topay myself first into that
portion, so that I can make mymoney Work for you or make my
money.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Dr B, to add to that, Warren Buffett, whom we all
know, said that if you don'thave money working for you,
you're going to work for a long,long, long time.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I mean, we've got to have our money working for us.
Well, and there comes our timething again.
Christy, what do you thinkabout?
You know, if I want to be amillionaire, do I want to be a
millionaire slow?
Or do I want a millionaire fast?
Right, Because if I make$25,000 a year and I work for 40
years, I've made a milliondollars.
But that's way too slow, 40years and I'm learning.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
It is, it is and if you, if you tap inflation in
there, your middle is reallyworth.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's not worth a million dollars so people talk
about all the time those getrich quick screens.
Well, I hope so.
I.
I mean, I don't, I mean I don'tthink it.
You know I gotta, you gotta beworried about the scans and
stuff yes, you know get richquick is way better than get
rich slow yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
And you're right, I mean the big thing to me is just
getting around the right people.
I mean because once you makemoney, once you're earning money
, you know, then you startseeing.
You know.
I mean because you startsearching for how do I get this
money working for me, right?
And you start running to throwout networking.
That's the big part.
We don't do a lot of.
I mean I have my notes on here,because we don't do a lot of
networking, we don't talk to oneanother Especially today right.
(49:39):
Yeah, we're scared of each otherand, like I said, we have to
get away from that.
There's nothing there for everyone of us.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Two things you said.
One, you've got to be aroundthe right people, and then two,
that we don't live in a world oflack.
Yeah, no, no, you can't, and Ithink that's a problem that we
haven't even in our countryright now.
There's this belief that if youhave, then the only way I can
get it is take it from you,because there's not enough for
both of us.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
But, dr B, that's a scarcity mentality.
It is, I mean, think about it,the good Lord doesn't.
I mean the whales in the water.
They eat many fish.
Do you think they have to?
Don't eat as much fish.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Well, these are my fish, not your fish.
There's no more fish.
So we got to Right exactly they.
Well, these are my fish, notyour fish, there's no more fish,
so we got to Exactly.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
How about the birds?
There's enough in there, for wehave to get away from scarcity
mentality now.
There's plenty out there foreveryone.
The point is are we going tostep up to the plate to get what
is truly ours?
That's why I go back to sayingthat it's a mindset thing.
Once you know that you can getwhat you want, you know you can
(50:54):
get to the point that you do theinternal work now to get what
you want.
I mean you wouldn't be able to.
I mean, look at these folks outthere Dr Marion Golden, look at
Oprah.
I mean we can look all over.
The success is out there for usto mimic.
They have done it, so it'spossible for us.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Absolutely.
Well, you know, like our world,like I said, when we're
watching entertainment.
I was watching a show this lastweek.
It was about the 1800s, youknow Harrison Ford's in it, or
whatever.
And the man says well, I'mgoing to, we're going to be.
(51:39):
You tell him his wife, we'regoing to be rich, honey.
And he says but one thing Ihave to tell you if we're going
to be rich, that means we haveto take it from the people who
already have it, otherwise wecan't have it.
And then his wife was like well, if you got to take it, make
sure that you make it so bad forthem that they can never take
it back.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, arewe really?
Speaker 1 (51:59):
is this really?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
how people think and how they feel, because if we're
willing to communicate, we'rewilling to be in group, we're
willing to network, there is somany resources.
I mean, that's how we left thisshow and just having people
understand that you don't haveto have this scarcity mentality.
There is enough for you to winall of your dreams and still
(52:23):
have more for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yes, yes, absolutely.
I mean, the point is that youdon't know what you don't know,
right, and I think our biggestdrawback really is awareness.
Yeah, we don't know, we don'tknow enough.
I mean, we're scared of what wedon't know, right?
So we just need to push theenvelope in terms of how much
(52:44):
more can we know?
I mean, you know, like I waslistening to Jim Quick one of
the things I listen to he saysknowledge is power.
But, action is superpower.
Yeah, because it's the blackknowledge right.
Yeah, exactly, if you act onwhat you know, then it becomes a
superpower.
(53:05):
So again I go back to awareness.
Again, we don't know If youdon't know ignorance.
I mean, sometimes folks don'tlike to say they're ignorant,
but it's again, we don't know Ifyou don't know ignorance.
Sometimes folks don't like tosay that you can learn, but it's
real.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
We don't know.
There's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
There's nothing wrong with not knowing it gives you.
Now you know what I need tolearn to get there.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
If you don't know now , but now you've been exposed to
it.
If you still don't know a yearfrom now, that's on you.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Well, exactly, you're right but again, I think you're
right and that's why I say thatwe have to be.
What do we want to do?
How do we?
Because, see, not knowing too,I mean comes from you know, in
my, the way I see it also, isthat there's no desire.
I mean, if you had a desire towant to do better, right, you're
(53:54):
going to find a way to learn.
Money is, in my view anyway.
I mean money because I saw it,you know, doing what we did from
where we started to where weare today.
Money is an inconvenience.
It cannot be determined if youwant it badly enough?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Well, what didn't we talk about?
We've been talking for almostan hour right now and I still
want more.
This has been such a greatconversation, but what do you
want to leave us with?
What do you want that we didn'ttalk about?
That you want to make sure thatour listeners know about?
Speaker 1 (54:28):
I would just say that we all have it in us to be
great people.
Our charge, what I try to do,and my wife and I does, is to we
try to just make a differencein the life of folks we come
across.
We have to learn to realizethat we can all lift each other.
(54:50):
Let's be about a business oflifting each other Because, at
the end of the day, whatdifference have we made in the
lives of the folks we've comeacross?
What we do in our business, inour company, premier Destiny, is
that our motto is that weenlighten people, we empower
(55:11):
people and we inspire them tothe greatness, because we
believe there's greatness inevery one of us.
We wanna help lift that, bringthat up, because it's about
collective consciousness, right,I mean, you know, and we all
have it in us Some of us don'tbelieve because we've been
beaten down.
The system has done whatever.
I agree there is that thesystem has a part to play, but
(55:34):
you know who has a bigger partto play?
We do, we do, absolutely.
We do, we do, and it's up to usto decide.
We have to.
Just you know, yes, there'scraziness in the country right
now.
There's some changes happening,but you know what Change to me,
is also opportunity.
What is it?
What can we do about it?
Let's welcome the change andfind out how we can use it to
(55:57):
our advantage, because you knowwhat Folks are going to benefit
from this change.
Why shouldn't we be a part ofit?
That's why sometimes I like towhen I look at this brother's
book right here.
I'm sure you've read this.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
You know, this inspires me, this inspires me.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
You know these are some of the things we need to.
You know we need to.
You know, just keep you knowagain, just know that it's
possible for us.
You know my wife wrote a book.
I'll just do a plot for mywife's book here.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Really Money, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, okay, that's my wife's book right there, so it
could help someone.
We have to be about a business.
This is a woman who has amaster's degree, you know, and
she never wrote a book.
She was able to write a bookbecause of the opportunities we
have in this country.
Anyone else can do that.
I will be writing my books.
They're going to come up, notright now, but they're on their
(56:48):
way, and if it's possible for me, it's possible for every one of
us.
We can do it, of course the lastthing I'm going to say is we
have to be about a businessphilanthropy.
We have to help one another.
Yeah, john and I love to give.
We love to support causesbecause we believe that if
you're blessed to be a blessingto your neighbor to others we're
not going to take any of thisstuff with us.
(57:08):
We we're just keepers, aren'twe?
Let's make a difference.
Thank you again, Brian.
Thank you, Dr You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Do you have a website that people can go to?
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yes, yes, it's Premier with an E
PremierDestinycom, premierE-R-E-M-I-E-R-E Destinycom.
Is there one thing?
Speaker 2 (57:30):
when they go there that they should absolutely do.
Is there a book that theyshould buy?
Is there a?
Well, I mean, they can check.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
just go through what we have in there.
Check our YouTube channel,LinkedIn and also Facebook.
Let them just go through andsee what.
If they can help them,certainly reach out to us.
We'll be glad to help them.
But we have to be about thebusiness of building each other
up, and that's what Jordan and Ihave decided to do.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Wow, thank you so much.
Thank you for being on today.
Thank you, yeah, just for thehonor of being able to have this
conversation with you.
And you know, like I said, Ilove this, the podcast format,
so much because we get to learnwhy somebody else was able to
make it.
We all try to make excuses.
Well, nobody's doing it andit's hard, but when you see
(58:16):
people that did not pick theexcuses, that learned through
the process, that kept going,that got around, people that are
lifting each other up, that'swhat we need more of, and so
that's what you gave us today inthe mountains and just, oh my
gosh, it was so good to talk toyou.
I want to do it again.
(58:37):
I want to follow up all thesewonderful things, and so, for
those of you watching, go aheadand hit subscribe button if you
haven't done that, because we'regoing to continue with great
programming.
I have Myron Golden going to beon the show here in a couple of
oh wow, Let me know I love thatfor Golden.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
I mean, he is.
I tell you he's one of myinspirations.
I just listened to thatwatching YouTube.
He is, but those are the kindof minds you want to get around.
Dr D, yeah, please let me knowwhen it's coming up, because I
want to know what it is I will,I will.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
We're going back and forth and today, and so you know
, as we continue, go ahead and,like I said, get the
notifications hit, subscribe Ifthis podcast meant something to
you or you know somebody that itwould mean for, send it to them
.
Send it to them because theonly thing they could do if it
could help them, and if theydon't listen to it, then that's
(59:29):
on them, but at least youoffered it to them so that they
could be as successful as theypossibly can be.
I want you not to forget thatyou're God's greatest gift.
He loves you.
If you allow him to, I can'twait to see you on the next one.
Paul, it has been a pleasure.
I look forward to talking toyou and we will see the rest of
you on the next one.
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