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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Failure is an ingredient to victory.
You can't win without a loss.
Most of the times we want theloss to be on the other side and
win 100% of the time when we'redoing things.
So 100% of the times I want towin, 100% of the time I want the
other guy to lose.
That's not a real victory.
That's not a champion.
Champions are able to sustainlosses, overcome their limits by
partnering, by having systemicsolutions, by having
(00:22):
understanding, by working withpeople, being patient, by being
humble to observe and to bewilling to share.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
All right, welcome to another edition.
This is a special edition.
This is, I guess, an editionthat I have been waiting for for
a long time, and so this is theJourney to Freedom podcast.
I'm Dr B, I'm your host and Ijust I get so excited every time
I get to do a podcast withsomebody who is doing something,
somebody who is moving forward,somebody who is making a
(01:05):
difference, somebody who iswilling to not only just try to
make money for themselves, butsomebody who is saying I want to
be out there, I want to work onmaking other people's lives
better.
You know, dr Glenn and I weretalking right before the podcast
and I asked him what are youmost excited about?
(01:26):
And the answer I got back wasnot only the correct answer, but
the answer that I want you tohave, because it's the answer
where I get to serve and helppeople.
And I don't know if you knowthis, dr Glenn, but Journey to
Freedom was created because Iwent to a seminar.
This guy named David Horsak,this guy who has done all this
research on trust and what itmeans to trust and how important
(01:49):
trust is, in fact, he's goingto be on my podcast tomorrow,
but you know, I went to theseminar and there's four or 500
people that are in the room andI look around the room and
there's like 30 people in theroom and I'm going.
This information is soimportant, this information is
so needed.
It's back with research, it'sback with, you know, years and
(02:10):
years of him putting togetherall these things, but my
community is not being able toaccess it.
And I'm like, well, why?
And I'm thinking why?
And so because we don't know,because we haven't had
experiences, we are not incircles with the men and women
that are in this room and so,therefore, we're not being
invited.
You know it was.
(02:30):
It happened to be that thegentleman who invited me to it
was David Horsager's roommate incollege and they stay a lot
together and so I was able toget into this and they he did
have some folks of color thatwere up on stage and that were
talking, and a Super Bowlchampion, a colonel from the
Navy that was doing some amazingthings.
But I came back and I said, howdo I get this into my community?
(02:53):
And it started out the journeyto freedom.
And it started out okay, isthere a coaching program where I
can find black folks that arestuck.
And I said I just want to dowith folks of color.
And then I started prayingabout it and then God told me no
, I need you to do this withblack men.
And I'm saying but God, blackmen, that's hard, that's not
going to be easy.
And he said that's what I wantyou to do.
(03:14):
And I said I'm going to beobedient, I'm going to do it,
I'm going to start out, andthat's what began the journey
with the podcast that I puttogether.
I said I can't just do you knowpeople tell me, well, just do
one episode a week, do oneepisode a month.
I said one episode a month.
I'm not going to get to knowfolks.
So last year, in 2024, I saidI'm going to do 100 black men in
(03:36):
2024.
And I ended up doing 105.
And then I said this year I'mgoing to do another 100, if not
more.
And then I said this year I'mgoing to do another 100, if not
more.
And then that's going to get me, you know, and now I'm over.
About 170 is where we're at aswe're talking today, and I'm
going to keep going, because themore that I do, the more that I
realize how important it isthat we not only see all the
(04:00):
folks that look like us, but andI didn't think that was
important I said this isimportant to be able to see
other people who are doing thesame thing that we're doing.
And then I started talking topeople, and one of the themes in
this podcast has been I wasable to do it because I saw
somebody else doing somethingsimilar.
(04:21):
I even said to myself I went tothat seminar, right, I said I
don't need to see people, but Icounted how many people were
there that looked like me.
So that's all me right there.
I think it's a difference.
So that indicated to me that,even though I say it's not
important, it truly is important, and so thank you for being on
today.
I thank you for sharing yourstory today, and I've asked him,
(04:44):
I've asked Dr Glenn, to tellhis story, you know, because
when we hear story, we say I canidentify with that, or oh, that
never happened to me and that'swhy I'm so blessed, or I need
to get my butt going, you know,and so, whatever it is, I love
hearing story.
We're going to chop it up afterthat.
We're going to have some funtalking maybe about the pillars,
(05:10):
maybe about some other stuff,but I want to start out with
story, because I think that'sthe most important part of what
we do.
So the floor is yours.
Thank you for being on.
Thank you for being part ofthis.
The floor, let's go.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Thank you.
Thank you for including me, doc.
You're doing a great job.
This thing's blowing up.
I'm proud to be here, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So how did your life begin?
What happened?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, I was born in Brooklyn, raised in Queens.
I experienced youthhomelessness really early.
At the age of eight Came home.
All of our belongings andproperty was in the street.
My mother had a tough time atwork.
She refused to assist him orboss or anybody to compromise
her.
So it led to us bouncing around, my brother Randall and I, my
grandmother and we stayed withrelatives and, obviously,
(05:53):
government assistance andprograms to help us get through
tough times.
Seventh grade I get to QueensVillage, hollis, where people
know Run DMC in Queens.
Queens gets the money.
And I became a student becausewe came up in a household full
of love, grace, wisdom,understanding and love.
Even during our toughest timeswe lacked for nothing but we
(06:15):
struggled.
We were never compromised, wewere never harmed and that gave
us a fair amount of confidenceand ability and education to
compete.
We competed from seventh gradeall the way through, finishing
up through high school at thattime.
But I became a rapper.
I was one of the pioneers inQueens, one of the first rappers
before hip-hop becamecommercialized.
(06:36):
I was called Mr Sweetie G.
I had a record underground,critically acclaimed record
called the Place to Be.
From there.
There uh joined mike and daveand was recording with and uh
traveling with people like uhcrash crew, grandmaster flash,
curtis blow grandmaster kaz, ofcourse the great djs such as
(06:56):
infinity machine, the discotwins understand inside for
sounds, all these other rap orum uh pioneers who were there
with me.
From there I got the?
Uh honor of managing ll cool j.
I was invited to join charlesfisher and brian the tour to
manage l cool j during theperiod of uh the mr smith album,
which you see behind us rightthere um in the house with
(07:20):
quincy jones and uh the fugudeal was there.
I went on to discover uhpositive k.
I produced and uh co-wrote hisfirst record.
I'm getting paid.
Uh managed him with my brotherrandall from there went on to
discover uh david banner, therapper, the actor.
Um I got him his record dealand helped developed his band,
(07:41):
his group, which was calledcrooked letters.
I worked with saigon, went intothe acting space and obviously
everybody from uh jason mitchellwith um straight out of compton
the shy and so many otherthings, got to manage him, go
manage him with cory.
And then uh we went through andgot into the sports world.
Uh, in the sports world um withalonzo shames.
(08:06):
We did about 350 milliondollars in business nfl, nba and
, of course, uh boxing.
Uh represented um worldchampionship boxers went on to
sell that company and um, I didassanti's um 61 million dollar
deal with our team, did Asante's$61 million deal with our team
(08:29):
and now I'm currently in thespace of finance and economics
as an advisor with a consultingcompany and I'm working with RCP
Capital, with biotech, andwe're doing venture capital and
working on a day-to-day basis tomake the world better as a
serial entrepreneur and thingslike that.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh my gosh.
Now one of the things let meput myself back on here One of
the things that you know as youwere telling your story and
you're growing up and you knowwhat your mom had to do and the
things that she had to gothrough.
I didn't hear in there anythingabout a dad or a father Maybe
kind of just share with us alittle bit about how that
(09:04):
situation progressed and whohelped you in the community
while you were growing up.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So yeah, my father wasn't in my life.
My father was a gentleman thatwas well off, not always a
gentleman, tough guy.
So I was without a dad but Ihad my uncle.
God bless him.
And my uncle was a guidingforce in the male image.
But much of leadership and theconstructs of manhood,
especially coming as a black man, was from TV shows, movies,
(09:32):
books that I would read RalphEllison's Invisible man.
I reflected and tied into thatheavily.
I was a heavy, voracious reader.
And of course you know I cameback from Queens.
You know Southside QueensSupreme Team, the Furtado
Brothers, carly, pappy, mason.
I wasn't a drug dealer, but theeconomy.
We benefited from the drugtrade because there was so much
(09:54):
money in the 80s.
So I decided not to go thatroute.
You know the street ministryand I was looking at the calling
of the streets, that ministry.
Some people were called todeath, some were called to grace
, some were called to money,some were called to education.
I was called to, through thecreative platforms and education
(10:16):
, a world of entrepreneurism andworking in entertainment and
communications.
That became my pathway out ofthe struggle and economic, the
limited economic opportunitiesand the thing, the perils that
the drugs did to our community.
Oh my gosh, yeah, the hoodsuperstars.
And I was able to construct andcreate what I wanted for myself
(10:40):
through looking at these heroesthat failed and the heroes that
succeeded Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
You know one of the things that I was able to
interview not too long agoRonnie DeVoe you know and coming
from some of the sameneighborhoods and you know part
of New Edition and you know theywere.
They were kids, you were alittle bit older to the time
when they were kids, but at thesame time you know he really
talked about the differentcommunities within New York and
(11:07):
knowing exactly you know whereyou could be and be OK where you
shouldn't be.
But then he just said there wasa big community that did what
they could to take care of theiryouth and I'm assuming that a
lot of your, your rap and thethings, things that you rapped
about, came from the communityand what you knew.
(11:27):
Maybe kind of talk about that alittle bit of how it inspired
you and you were able to moveforward without getting involved
with being a dealer and thatkind of stuff, absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
For me it was easy.
We went from.
I think the cocaine era wascrazy.
When crack hit America and morespecifically when it hit Queens
, brooklyn, the five boroughs, Isaw how much money was being
made so fast.
I couldn't fathom the amount ofmoney that was being made.
I couldn't understand thetraction.
But I looked at childrengetting addicted.
I looked at pregnant womenbeing given drugs.
(12:00):
I saw the lines that wereoutside of the crack spots and I
knew these were merchants ofdeath, not necessarily that I
connotated or attached it to thebrothers as doing it, but I
knew the system of it where oneperson was getting all the
victory for some work theyweren't doing.
I saw the spirit of the drugdealer where it was all me, me,
me, I, I and everybody wasending up in the same spirit and
(12:22):
the same mindset.
And I loved community because Iwas so connected to my
community.
In different times I wascollected, you know, from the
wealth of my community when Ibecame older and I saw people
making money and helping out topoverty at its lowest and most
extreme levels and I knew Iwanted absolutely nothing to do
with it.
You know, music allowed me tobe just as fly as the next guy.
(12:44):
Music allowed me to drive thesame cars, to have a voice that
was not compromised orcontrolled.
So I realized that the pathwayyou know, sometimes you got to
go through hell to get to heaven.
But I wasn't willing to sell mysoul, I wasn't willing to be
compromised, I wasn't going tohave a boss, I wasn't checking
in like the gangs checked in andI just figured I'd take the
(13:08):
slow path.
I mean, oftentimes some of thedrug dealers' monies end up in
the clubs.
I mean guys were buying thebottles or rolling and balling
out of control, buying thejewelry, paying tickets to come
see us and these celebrities.
So I just did what it was, butI managed.
My pocket and my heart and mysoul were different.
I didn't connect them.
One had nothing to do with theother.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Did your mom make you go to church?
Was the church, community, apart of your youth and growing
up?
Well, the community is nomatter what, but was that part
of your existence and what youhad to do, or was it not?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
yeah, the spiritual part was, you know, my family
was faith-based.
You know a baptist upbringing,my mother's from georgia.
Father was from mississippi,although he wasn't there, but my
roots are southern and I lookedat the system.
I realized that religion andthe constructs of you know,
having something bigger than you, greater than you.
I believed in god every way,but after I continued to learn,
(14:02):
I said to myself I I wouldrather walk like Jesus than talk
like Jesus.
And it wasn't about the label,it was about being able.
I looked at you know whetherit's.
Islam, whether it's Judaism,whether it's Buddhism, whether
it's Catholicism or the Baptistupbringing, catholicism or the
(14:27):
Baptist upbringing and all ofthe reading, the seating, the
teaching and the reaching andthe preaching means nothing if
you're not finishing right.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Amen, I love it and the reason I'm asking you these
questions and I think you knowthis is because I really want to
speak to identity and theidentity that we hold for
ourselves in order to moveforward and being a serial
entrepreneur and being able to,you know, continue in all these
different circles and to do welland to be successful.
A lot of folks that will watchthis will look at it and go.
(14:53):
Well, you know, I keep runninginto roadblocks, I keep running
into things.
I'm saying, well, your identityisn't matching the person that
you're trying to be, so you'reliving in this other identity
than trying to do the stuff overhere.
How can you tell me, or how canyou explain, how you were able
to recreate yourself, createthat identity of belief that if
(15:17):
I do this it's going to work,instead of the I do this it's
going to?
I mean, failure is part of it,but you go into it thinking, hey
, I don't go into this thing,it's going to fail to start out,
but so many people that I workwith, so many people that I talk
to, that's exactly, I'll try,but it's going to fail.
So kind of talk about youridentity through this whole
(15:37):
process here.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah.
So to me, failure is aningredient to victory.
You can't win without a loss.
Most of the times we want theloss to be on the other side and
win 100% of the time when we'redoing things.
So 100% of the times I want towin, 100% of the time I want the
other guy to lose.
That's not a real victory,that's not a champion.
Champions are able to sustainlosses, overcome their limits by
(16:03):
partnering, by having systemicsolutions, by having
understanding, by working withpeople, being patient, by being
humble to observe and to bewilling to share.
So I realized that there's somecore components to us as human
beings, whether it's a badtemper, whether it is a humorous
(16:24):
spirit, a forgiving spirit,whether you're a great
storyteller, whether you're ableto be completely quiet under
duress.
So I believe that epigenetics,which means things are passed
down from our ancestors, it isproven genetically that some of
us are more available and opento certain types of thinking.
(16:48):
Some of us are more open andprone to certain type of
diseases or to certainbehavioral processes.
So meaning processes means thisguy loses his temper and the
majority of the time when heloses the temper, nobody may
know it, because he's picking upfrom his mother's side who's
(17:09):
really quiet.
There could be some guy that'sreally quiet and he's extremely
violent.
There are people that are proneto alcoholism or they have the
way they express themselves,facial expressions, physical
traits that are passed on.
Expressions, physical traitsthat are passed on.
Someone's dad is an amazingathlete.
(17:29):
Somebody's mother is a greatstoryteller or is a leader in
some respect.
I started saying I want to pickfrom some of the stories that
I've heard from my ancestors and, more closely, my family, my
mother, my father, my brother,my sister, and even on an
environmental level.
I could look at somebody acrossthe street.
One of the guys that was, youknow, he just couldn't control
(17:49):
himself, ended up getting 20 tolife, complete life.
I would always lose his temper.
I would study that behavior.
I'd see the guy that was soquiet that ended up becoming a
medical doctor or becoming asuperstar in my neighborhood.
So I think one of the ways isself-control and identifying
characteristics, personification, meaning I'm looking at what
(18:09):
everybody else is doing.
How do I interpret that?
How am I managing it?
Because I govern my life.
I can write the book of my lifeby measuring the chapter and
going line by line or paragraphby paragraph.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
How did you get me?
Because you're saying I can dothis and there's so many folks
that believe they can't.
What do you think?
And I believe in epigeneticsand I believe, you know, a
hundred percent in you.
Know we have purposes and Godput us on this planet for
whatever the reason is, and it'sour job to find that and
fulfill that.
But at the same time it seemslike some of our culture just
(18:50):
ingrains in us that we can't andsomehow you came of it.
It was because you had a seriesof small victories.
Was it because your mom justkept saying hey, I believe in
you.
What are some of the thingsthat you can, I guess, reach
back to and say in your life,these were some pivotal.
Maybe it was people that justshowed up that said you can do
(19:10):
this.
What to you?
What is that?
What does that look like?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I think you know the people can show up.
You have to show up foryourself.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, my grandmother used to call, used to say hello,
precious angel from heaven, orhello, these endearing words
that she'd say.
And I remember connecting tothose words, not knowing if I'm
that valuable or I didn't lookover my shoulder when she said
it, but she said it enough thatI thought something.
I was special to her.
That was my whole world.
(19:37):
My grandmother was like God tome.
You know my mother.
My grandmother was over mymother and she was guiding my
mother and working with mymother through all her
challenges, even when thingswere great.
But it begins with the nuclearfamily.
I was born rich.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
We just didn't have any money.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You know, I didn't miss anything.
I didn't even miss a day's fooduntil a meal, until we were
homeless, and then we skipped afew, but we get them back on the
end.
So it's about the nuclearfamily.
It's about the nuclear family.
What's missing now is themothers and fathers are not able
to reach back and bring theirgrandparents or their uncles or
their granduncles their otherleaders are not apparently
(20:12):
prepared to compromise thethings that need to be done.
Does that mean a church isgoing to take less ties in and
they got to do fundraisersthemselves?
Does that mean that the fatherthat's trying to become rich,
whether he's studying every day,driving an Uber, working two
jobs to become an attorney, ifhe's at Harvard, or if he's a
street pharmacist, whatever thisperson's doing, how much
(20:34):
attention is being given to thechildren?
So the nuclear family haschanged so much that we don't
have that resource, that pureplace we could pull from.
When the grandmother would justsay those things of wisdom.
She didn't want any fame, shedidn't want power, she didn't
care what was going ontelevision.
She didn't care about anythingexcept God and her family moving
(20:54):
forward.
That has changed so much.
Now the grandparents arelistening to the same music a
lot of times.
A lot of times they'recompeting for the same attention
in the same space.
A lot of times they'recompeting for the same attention
in the same space A lot oftimes they need a healing, a
revealing, and they needsalvation more than the child
themselves and they're competingfor the grace of God or the
(21:15):
grace of good.
And there's no resource ofpurity, there's no holistic safe
space that a child can go backto their mother or their father
and have a hard discussion.
The father might be dead, hemight be in prison, the mother
may be absent.
In spirit that they can't havethis conversation.
That is the connection thatcures the ailing, losing, dying
(21:36):
seed that's gonna bear the fruitthat comes from our ancestors.
It's that nuclear family.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh my gosh, you just hit it.
I mean how much I've beentalking about.
I took a group of men, you know, as a part of the journey of
freedom, down to Alabama at thebeginning of the year, first
part of January, and so we couldconnect to.
This is what our past lookslike.
I was able to take a few of mysons down there for the first
(22:03):
time.
I'm from Denver, so I haven'tspent a whole lot of time in the
South.
You know, I went last year andwe went on this tour and we're
going through and I'm like thisis what family looked like.
This is what it looked like inthe 30s and 40s and 50s, all the
60s.
All these things were goingwrong and yet our families were
strong and I came out of theresaying we have to create
(22:27):
something for the nuclear family.
That isn't changing from what'shappening right now.
You know I'm telling my sonswho have my grandkids that how
important it is Like you knowwho gets up in the morning and
says precious angel to yourdaughters, who is it Like I make
sure every single week.
You know, I call.
I have eight children and 16grandkids now, so every Sunday I
(22:50):
send a thing because I'm notwith them, right?
I'm not, you know, they're notall in Colorado, so I'm in
California and I say I just callthe A-Tribe kids.
My last name's Arnold.
So we call the A-Tribe kids andliterally this last session
that I'm doing with them,whether I call them, we play
(23:14):
games over on on uh, uh, what isit?
Zoom, or whatever, or I sendthem out messages about their
heritage, and so this now I'mgoing through all 16 and I'm
talking about their name, and soI said you know, this week was
Zoe.
Zoe, your name is beautiful.
Let me speak over you, let mepray over you, let me put this
into you that you are fromgreatness.
And if I don't do it right,because, like you said, how many
(23:34):
grandparents are out there justdoing, you know, competing with
their kids?
And they're out there.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I can't wait till they get out of my house.
What do you mean?
Wait till they get out of yourhouse?
I can't wait till I spend moretime with them, where I get to
feed into them, where I get tonourish their thought process.
Why they're young, right?
Because once they hit the teen,my oldest grandchild is 14.
And so she's getting it from me, but she probably don't want it
(24:03):
as much as she's getting itfrom me, right?
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It'll be there, though.
It'll be in the reservoir, andthat's the key brother, the
reservoir, what is saved up,what is held up, that reservoir
is where we draw from, and ifeverybody's chasing money and
chasing tomorrow and justchasing legacy, there'll be
nothing to draw from.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, and when you think about our neighborhoods
and people, you knowno-transcript.
(24:55):
Ranked in basketball.
At nine years old, I'm likewhat does that mean?
Ranked by who?
Ranked by the people thatyou're paying to say you're
ranked?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It's amazing you say that, doc, because I have a
company.
It's called the Winner's Circle.
It's a sports agency.
My partner, rakim Vic, and I wego across the country.
We're dealing with studentsfrom high school level all the
way through college to the pros,because NIL name, image and
likeness is exploding on thescene.
(25:29):
Now these kids are about to getmoney revenue that's coming
from the television revenue.
We've seen kids that are goingin at 150 to 250 000 from NIL
money from University thatwithin a year to two years many
of them are transferring insidethe portal and earning as much
as a million dollars.
Everything that we're doing istied to a spiritual base because
(25:50):
the average athlete is brokenfor years.
The average student athlete isgoing in and the attrition rates
that turn these people back tonothing and nowhere don't matter
.
So to your point, I onlymentioned that because at the
Winter Circle we're dealingstudent athletes not just on the
academics but making sure thatthey're moving somewhere.
(26:11):
But you made another point.
People talk about the game ofbasketball, football, boxing,
track.
What about the mind game?
The mind game?
Who's coaching that game?
Who's coaching that game?
Who's controlling what are therules?
On a macro and a microeconomiclevel games are played.
(26:32):
They call it the stock market.
But if you look at the stockmarket, if you look at other
markets, historical markets thatare not, you know, public
(26:52):
markets, they're private markets.
Whether it's hedge funds,whether it's venture capital
space that I'm playing in that'scompletely monetized, but it's
not shown who's coaching thatfive-year-old to get in the game
of life and the game of moneyand the game of spirit.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh, my goodness, I'm so glad that you're doing that,
because that's the part that'smissing, right?
The parents get so caught up inwhat it could be and all but
and forget, wait a minute.
Yeah, your kid's a good athleteright now, and that might.
But they're thinking that's myticket, you know, into a better
life, like I'm living my lifethrough my child.
Instead of, instead of exposingmy child to experiences Like
(27:24):
right now, with with my, my, mykids, I'm like what's wrong with
chess club?
What's wrong with financialclub?
Will we play the name game?
I want their minds to be soexposed to so many things.
If they happen to be a greatathlete great, you have the
genetics to be able to do that.
It's been passed down.
(27:44):
Go for it, knock yourself out.
But when that first check comes, you know it's been passed down
.
Go for it, knock yourself out.
But when that first check comesespecially with the NIL right
when that first check comes now,you know what to do with it
because we've been talking aboutit.
We've been playing cashflow.
You know Robert Kiyosaki'scashflow game for 15 years.
It's just so amazing thatparents aren't thinking through
(28:04):
that One of the things that yousaid and this kind of goes along
with this is you said that Iwanted to compete, I wanted to
win, but then also that meansyou have to lose.
And I want to talk about thatfor a little bit, because now
that I'm older, I think about,yeah, in athletics that's what I
always wanted to do, I wantedto be the best that I could
possibly be, and you know.
(28:25):
But at the same time I'm likeisn't there enough abundance
that we can share this wealth?
And we doesn't, because justbecause I win doesn't mean you
have to lose.
Why can't we both win?
And how have you been able todo that through your businesses
and through the things?
Winner's circle sounds likesomething that's just like that,
(28:45):
but you know, does it do people?
I mean, I don't think that wasa new thought.
I mean that's kind of yeah,how's your thought process in
abundance?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, you know.
So you know, in music, as arapper, when I was Mr Sweetie, I
was a battle rapper.
I'm one of the first guys thatput singing and rapping together
and it was aggressive.
From that aggression, musicgoes right into the sports,
competing on the chart positionsand selling tickets.
And then I went in the sportsindustry, which was brutally,
brutally competitive.
(29:16):
My thesis was to take thecreativity of the music business
and merge it with the structureand discipline of sports.
But I realized when you overcomea challenge and when you're
able to be victorious, you haveto look over your back.
You have to keep dignity.
You can't just kill everybodyin the village and then take
over the land.
This should be rules ofengagement and war.
(29:38):
So you want to make sure thatwhen you're winning, that person
can come back to the table.
You can come back to the tableand a sustained win means
sometimes you don't.
Some losses are actuallysustained wins.
Some wins are sustained losses.
You may have won today, but themarket conditions can change
tomorrow.
That person that you weresupervising can end up in
(29:59):
another company that needs acontract.
We've got to keep theconstructs and we have to think
about being respectful,empathetic, intelligent and
using emotional intelligence aswell as critical thinking.
You got to think on both sides,you know.
So if I win and I'm victorious,and the person that's working
or laboring for me or with me,how do I make sure that they're
not going to alienate or turnagainst me?
(30:21):
So there has to be decency,humanity, respect and you got to
keep things open to be able tonegotiate.
You don't want to to cut offthe air.
If you cut that air off, youcut that rope off, there's no
connectivity and you won't knowwhat's going on outside of your
sphere.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I love how you put that, because there's the
respect that goes in.
And one of the things that Ican remember about athletics is
I still rooted for the personthat was.
You know, let's say, I'm trackbecause I was a 400 hurler,
right.
I can remember there was achance where I got to run
against Edwin Moses, right.
And so I remember, you know,watching his back.
Well, I wanted to win, but Goddidn't give me that talent to
(30:57):
win in those races.
Right, he's the greatest, oneof the greatest I've ever lived.
But every chance I get, I stillwant to root for him.
I still want him to win, Istill want him to be great.
And when we think aboutrelationships and associations
and the people that you arearound, if you give up those
relationships because you'retrying to beat the guy down or
you're trying to bedisrespectful, or I got to win
at all costs and so I have totake from you in order for me to
(31:20):
win, then you lose thoserelationships that can propel
you forward.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Talk to me a little bit about your relationships and
how you cultivated them overthe years, because you don't get
to where you're at with badrelationships, where you stepped
on people, yeah Well, it wasfailing hard, and failing hard
means it has such an impact thatyou're forced to make a change.
You know, some people havelight.
Their losses are limited.
These limited losses you'veseen it with people that are
recidivist uh, incarceration isone of them.
(31:51):
A guy gets into a situation.
His attorney beats the case,there's no learning.
Uh, the guy that's stuck inbeing unethical or you know, is
in situations where he's notmanaging and monitoring or
editing behavior.
So you have to be open to beingso critical on yourself that
you're tired of the results thatyou're getting.
Someone else may not force youto do better, because your
(32:13):
partner is supplying you withmaybe it's resources, maybe it's
materials, maybe it'sdistribution finance.
Someone can actually provideyou with everything you need to
be successful, but you're notgetting the net result that you
want because no one's helpingyou.
Nobody's telling you hey, youknow what, we know.
(32:35):
You're in this business whereyou pick up waste and you're
dumping some stuff in the water.
I read about it in thenewspaper.
Or I know you're not doing thisright.
Or, hey, some of your employeescalled and I see that you're
having a labor struggle doingthis right?
Or hey, some of your employeescalled and I see that you're
having a labor struggle If youdon't keep an open relationship
for people to tell you or ifsomeone doesn't choose to tell
you they don't care.
You have to be intuitive and intouch.
(32:56):
You have to have discernment toknow that.
You need to have the discretionto check yourself and it's not
always in money.
Sometimes, looking at KPIs andwhat the results are, they're
not based on how much you make,they're not based on what you're
doing, but it's based on yourcustomers.
How happy are your customers?
How happy are your strategicpartners?
Do people that you venture withcome back and go crazy because
(33:18):
you bring value?
If you're not aware of that,you could end up finding out how
ineffective or effective youare when it's too late up
finding out how ineffective oreffective you are when it's too
late, when you think of it.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You said the word failing hard.
Can you give us an example ofwhat that means, because I think
some people think they failhard when it's just something
that is so simple?
You haven't failed yet yourlife isn't know.
Give me an example of what thatmight have been like.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I think failing hard is when you walk away from it.
You could make all the moneythere is and people on your team
have suffered.
Maybe somebody had a badexperience making the money,
someone wasn't treated right,there's litigation.
The community is affected in away.
You got this big contract, youmade all the money money and so
many people don't feel thisequitable exchange.
(34:08):
Well, you should go home andhave a hard time sleeping.
You should have a hard timewhen your spirit is awakened in
the morning to step into the newshoes, the new pants, the new
role, the new life that isafforded or taken from you, that
part of your life that you lost.
It should be so hard pressed onyou that it makes it difficult
(34:28):
to breathe.
It makes it difficult to takethat phone call, difficult to
read what they're saying anddoing.
Failing hard is like hearingfrom God.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Thank you for that, because that's so important,
because I think, well, I know,you know, for me, until you've
fallen, and you've fallen in away where you feel like that and
it is hard to breathe, youdon't really kind.
They would, you know, becauseit might be the way they got
planned in a way or the way youknow, but you thought that they
would.
They don't go that way.
(35:10):
Now you have to move forward oryou have to do kind of this
thing to do it.
What are some of the thingsthat you do in your personal
development or your personalthought process, or how you're
able to get through those timeswhen it feels like there are no
time?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
able to get through those times when it feels like
there are no times.
Well, generally you know, ifit's just on a regular business
level where there's exchange andthen things you can't control
because you have workers,employees or market conditions
that change.
But sometimes a fall from gracewill lead you to your place,
the greatest hardships.
It shakes you to the core ofyour soul.
Maybe you're in a lawsuit andsomebody's talking about ethics
(35:49):
or they're coming at you in away that's just not right.
It's not true.
Unfair business practices, justgreat ideas that don't work out
, you know, and if your ego's init, you'll think you're falling
from grace, but you're not.
It's grace that allows you tofail, it's the will of God not
the want of man.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh, my gosh, when you think about moving forward and
the things that allow you topick yourself up, there's so
many people who, and let's jumpinto our race and being a Black
man in America, and let's justlet's jump into our race and
being a black man in America,and we want to give outside
conditions or outside things toso much weight that they're the
(36:34):
reasons that we are failing orthe reasons we believe that we
can't move on.
You know and I'm not sayingthis has been a country that has
been pro, pro African-Americanor pro black or, you know, for
the last 40, pro-men, for thatmatter, Black men.
How have you been able to walkyourself through as being a
(36:55):
Black man, knowing, hey, theseare outside conditions or
outside contributors compared tomy inside desire and ability to
move forward?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
40 acres.
I won't take it.
I got all that I need.
A matter of fact, I'm notconcerned about those people
with greed.
I just got to lay down, staydown, pray down, do what I do.
I'm not really that concernedabout DEI.
None of that stuff that youknew would never come back.
You know, it was promised tothe ancestors.
But I say I don't know, I liketo do what was best.
I'm not concerned what they'redoing in the east or the west.
(37:26):
I'm the teacher and the master.
I give myself a test and Ialways show up.
I increase the peace and I comedown like a beast and I'm the
master of my house.
I think like a master and Ithink like a slave.
No one's going to tell me howto behave.
What I do is I stack them,dollars down and I start to save
.
And guess what?
I'm living in a crazy place.
(37:46):
I'm not in a cave, and thenwhen you see me win, the crowd
will wave.
Guess what?
I'm kind of clean, but I stillneed to shave.
I think about this, brother,because it's all up to me.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I'm going to break it down with righteousness, ethics
and decree.
You've definitely thought aboutit.
Thank you, that was amazing.
Oh, so where does that song Imean that rap come from Top of
my head?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I just made that up, I'm just having some fun.
I'm just having some fun withmy brother talking about some
amazing philosophical.
We're getting into philosophy,spirit, economics.
It's rare that we have thisexchange.
I'm just trying to say topeople you know, when the
president was elected 46, 47,45,.
I'm the president of my house,I am the master of my destiny, I
(38:43):
am the Lord of my land.
I enact and carry out thelegislative process of my life,
so I'm not really voting onanybody.
I go and I vote.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm not a member of a party, because there's nothing
to party about.
I'm at work it's so importantbecause some, some of the
community I went, I was down atthe state capital the other day
and I was testifying and doingsome stuff there, but there's
just this belief that somehowthe person who got elected, or
(39:16):
you know, like you said, thelast however many presidents,
and that's going to affect myability to move forward.
Maybe talk about that a littlebit, because you just said I'm
the master of my house, I'm themaster of my thing, I'm the one
who does and decides mylegislation.
How do people get away fromthat mindset that somehow we're
still controlled by ourelectorate or by the folks that
(39:39):
are around us?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, you know people are operating on the decree.
You got to think of your birthrights, our inalienable rights,
our human rights, our spiritualrights are not confirmed or
controlled by anybody.
You know, people are looking forreparations, people are
fighting about what people havetaken away.
I think I work so hard and I'min touch with the supreme
(40:08):
elements of my existence.
I try to reframe them every day, try to become better every day
, learning.
We're just so responsible forourselves, man.
I mean, we're the mostresilient people.
We have been able to survive somany things, creators of
culture, people that have lovedand forgiven people who have
done so many wrong things to us.
An open society, our collectiveconsciousness is what will rule
(40:30):
and fuel the future.
For tomorrow, there's nothingto borrow, no sorrow.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
We think about a relationship with money and the
flow of money in and out of ourlives and so many folks get
stuck because there's so muchemphasis on the thought of that
relationship that they have.
That is maybe a positive one,maybe not a positive one, maybe
I can't.
Maybe I can't.
How have you been able becauseI know money's flown in and out
(40:58):
of your life lots of money youknow at times and you know you
talked about being homeless atother times as an adult it's
probably floated it out prettyquickly Talk about the
relationship of money and howyou view money and why that has
been helpful in your life.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I mean, most people look at money like a lottery
ticket or like a dream wherethey're going to do this one
thing that's going to changeeverything and they won't have
to work anymore, like thefantasy of retirement or being
so wealthy they'll never workagain.
Well, money is really anamazing magnetic, kinetic
relationship with economics.
There's rich.
Rich is when you're countingsomething and you have a
(41:39):
fullness of it.
And then there's wealth.
Wealth is systemic.
It is a system that's practiced, that moves itself.
It becomes a living entity andan element.
It is a thought process.
It is how you wake up, how yougo to sleep.
In between, it is theresponsibility of things that
have value, how you respect thevalue.
And, I think, foremost, whatpeople don't get is they don't
(42:04):
see that economics.
If you're looking to be anentrepreneur, if you're looking
for wealth, if you're lookingfor not just a sustainable life
but one that's legacy and thatmoves on, you have to see it
that you only get up to bat acertain amount of times.
The same way, when you're onthe basketball court or tennis
court, or if you're in a debate,if you're an attorney, you have
(42:31):
a certain amount of hours ordays that you're going to be
heard by the jury or by thereferee or the clock.
We only have a certain amountof time to get it right.
We have to save, save, save,invest, invest, invest.
Like it's our last day on ourlast dollar.
Invest like it's our last dayon our last dollar.
The clock is ticking.
Nothing's permanent.
People are looking for a rushed,fast process.
They want gourmet cooking usinga microwave oven.
(42:53):
They want to AI things to getan answer that's not delivered
from the source.
It is coming from a source andit's replicated.
's all the basics, man, theonly way to get rich and stay
rich is to stay with the basics.
You cannot cheat time.
You cannot get by the humanprinciples.
(43:14):
You cannot con or pretend withnumbers.
Numbers are where they are.
It's constructs and deliverablesystems that bring the money.
It.
It's not getting the money.
People would con the money,scam the money, drug dealers
robbing a bank, conning peoplewhatever people are doing, you
cannot beat the science of money.
(43:35):
There's some basic principlesthat have to stay in place in
order for the money to grow orfor you to have a seed to sow.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I'm so glad you brought up time, because that
was going to be the next thingand the way that we spend our
time and the things that weshould be spending our time on.
I think it's skewed a lot.
I love entertainment.
You're an entertainer.
I think entertainment is so.
I love entertainment.
You're an entertainer.
I think entertainment is soimportant, but sometimes we
sacrifice it for educatingourselves and moving ourselves
(44:09):
forward.
We can go watch I can go watcha Super Bowl game.
I can go love who PatrickMahomes is and enjoy Heard and
say these are amazing men whoare doing stuff, but sometimes I
find people who know more aboutthe stats of those two men than
they know about their kids,their life.
They don't spend any timereading a book, like you said
(44:30):
you did.
They don't spend any time beingaround people that are moving
forward.
They're being entertained allthe time and sometimes I think
it's just a distraction fromlearning what they already do.
So when you think about timeand that we only have a limited
amount, where do you think isthe best place to spend your
time during your days?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Take some time for yourself, whether you wake up or
when you go to sleep.
In between, have some quiettime.
Hear the voice of the Father,hear God's voice.
If you're not hearing it, thenyou got to go dig deeper and put
more into that.
If you're not hearing it, thenyou got to go digger, dig deeper
and put more into that.
If you're having confusion, youknow you need it even more, so
maybe you got to shut everythingdown, quiet those inner voices,
find out what shoulder'stalking and say the devil and
(45:13):
the angels on each side.
Who's talking?
What's the difference betweenthese two and this one?
Right here, right in here.
So I think it's important totake that time.
And money is okay, but humancapital is worth more than
currency.
Currency flows your way.
It goes up and down.
There's ebbs and flows, butsolid relationships.
(45:36):
I would rather lose a milliondollars with someone I love than
to make a million dollars withsomeone I hate.
I have that option.
Some people think they don'thave the option, so they're
involved in getting money thatdoesn't belong to them, money
that came too fast, or freemoney, and free things cost more
.
They do.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
And so, like, would you think of, like the time on
spinning?
Are there books, or is therelike one or two books, or just
you know?
How do you find out?
How do you educate yourself?
I mean, there's YouTube andthere's everything else.
How do you spend some of yourtime becoming better?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Now with you know I love the podcast world because
not only do you get to read thebook that the so if you have
your favorite author, you'rereading a book, you can get to
read the book that the so if youhave your favorite author,
you're reading a book um, youcannot just read the book.
Now you can hear what theauthor is saying.
They have.
Audio books were a lot easier.
There's lectures.
There's so much moving media.
There's youtube, university,which is amazing.
(46:36):
You take in volumes ofinformation, films, movies,
taking notes, people take notes.
You take so many notes from allthe books you're reading.
You'll end up writing one, likeI did, which is the asian power
lead, which is a book that Iwrote on indigo river publishing
, which is an amazing story.
I want you people to check itout.
It is a novel and I wrote it onanother culture and it's about
(47:00):
a as gentleman.
It's fictitious, but it issuspense.
It is a fun book and it hassome principles in there about
humanity, about ethics, aboutmoneymaking.
And it's small, it's a fast,short read and it's online at
theasianpowerleaguecom.
Pick it up.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I love it.
No, that is so perfect, and Iwant you to talk about that some
more here in a second.
The last part of the questionsthat I want to ask you and then
ask you.
What I missed is your health.
You know they say that theaverage Black man lives to 72
years old is what our average is, and it's because of some of
our diet, it's because of theway that we go through life.
(47:41):
What are some things that youdo to make sure you're going to
be around here for a little bit?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Well, funny enough, I walk a mile to three miles
every single day.
I make sure I get my 100push-ups in every day.
Every day you got to keepmoving, you know, especially for
my brothers and sisters thatare over 30 years old.
At 30, 30 guarantees 30 sets instone your 40s, with the
(48:08):
exception of genetics andenvironmental causality.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
If you're living in a space that's more prone to has
cancerous conditions or you'rein an
Speaker 1 (48:18):
unhealthy work, environment, occupational
hazards, and then in your 50s,you know, based on genetics.
You got to put your life in topreserving your life.
People just are working everyday and they're not in the
preservation of health.
The best defense is a goodoffense.
So you have to be proactive inprotecting yourself.
Preventive measures, thosedoctor's visits I practice it
(48:41):
seriously.
I go at my doctors the way I goat a good menu.
Or if you had a million dollarsand went on a shopping spree,
if you were going on an amazingvacation.
You're buying that card.
That's the way you have totreat the health thing.
You got to look at it like a lacarte entree.
I want the best of everything.
You want the best chef.
Look for the best doctors,build relationships with them.
(49:01):
Don't just go on and let thedoctor tell you everything.
Ask them a million questions,follow up, get in that portal,
challenge your insurancecompanies, your health insurance
companies.
See what benefits you have.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, told me.
He says I need you to take it'spre-diabetes, I need you to
take metformin.
I said this is a carcinogenicthat I've read about.
That's not going to my body.
Well, it's been a wonder drugfor some people.
I'm like well, it's not goingto be a wonder drug for me.
(49:31):
If you want me, if you're goingto keep telling me to take this
drug that I know is going tohurt me, then our relationship
is over, because there's a wholelot of doctors out here that I
can talk to.
They're going to give me theright path, and you're just
trying to put a bandaid onsomething because you don't know
me.
We just met, you know to be ableto say I appreciate that you
(49:55):
saying that, Well, we had aboutsix or seven more minutes left.
What did I not talk about that?
You want to make sure that wetalk about that.
You know, I want to know thethings you're doing and get
websites and all the things andhow to get access to stuff.
So I want you to tell us that.
But I, if there's something Ididn't talk about, that I wanted
you to uh, this has been so fun.
I'm not loving this great.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
So, yeah, I'm honored to be here.
I mean the work that you'redoing.
You know that people don't knowfor you viewers and listeners
who are listening to thispodcast.
This man is out there in thecommunity.
I've watched him get verballyattacked and people giving him a
hard time when he comes to townhall meetings or empowers other
(50:34):
politicians.
He teaches differently.
You know, doc, the way you haveso many different platforms and
the way you connect with people.
I think it's amazing you havesuperstars that come on this.
I honored to be here.
You have some of the most uh,famous recording artists,
thought leaders, teachers, moviestars, so I'm honored to be
here.
Um I, as my work continues, I'vealways said I want to die
(50:55):
greater than I've lived.
Um, I have a lot of things thatI teach and share.
I have a foundation called thebook bank institute, which is a
part of the book bank foundationand um.
You can learn more about thebook bank foundation at the
bbforg or thebookbankfoundationorg, and it is
(51:17):
a not-for-profit foundationthat's been around for over
close to 30 years 29 years,going on 30 and it is a literacy
foundation.
We are educating people,helping the lost, the lonely and
the forgotten, using platformsand using different modalities
to guide and help people and, Ithink, lastly, my profit
(51:38):
business, which is teachingwealth principles as we consult
the wealthy, the wise and peoplewho are moving forward in all
types of space.
So that is Dr Glenn Tobey,g-l-e-n-n-t-o-b-ycom, and I'm,
on all things, social as GlennTobey, g-l-e-n-n-t-o-b-y or Dr
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the same.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I love it.
I love it so we can get a holdof you.
Give me something as we beginto close, because I love where
you just came out of your mindand you came, but give us
something that could inspire usto move forward and stop us from
just thinking, overthinking,about all the things that could
happen, that all the things thatwe decide in our mind, that we
(52:26):
try to control, that probablywill never happen and yet we
stop from doing the mostimportant thing, like you said,
relationships.
You know the most importantthing with being around you know
, I guess, relationship beingaround the right people, you
know, following the rightpathway.
So give us something.
You know, a couple of minutesof just your thought process.
Open up and just hit us withsomething amazing.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Well, you know, doc, you said something about you
know, people wanting success,living in other communities,
buying in other communities,wanting your kids to go to
different schools, the trialsand channels on a spiritual
level, if it's a worship house,if it's a synagogue or a church
or a masjid that you go to, or atemple, or if it's family
(53:08):
gatherings, other people.
You work with partners.
You guys are making a ton ofmoney, you have an amazing
relationship that's thriving andworking with your children,
your girlfriend, your wife orwhatever.
You need to have a holisticspace that you house your
universe, your thoughts.
Where do you put your prayersand your pain?
You need to have a place ofsolace.
You need to have a shrine, athrone of your own.
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Take a moment if you can't findit every day.
Take a second if you can't findit every second.
And what I generally do, I tunein because I'm playing on
something called the GlobalDance Party on Freshest FM every
Saturday night, and I play themost amazing music R&B, soul,
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hip-hop, classics and you knowwhat I'm playing music, the gift
of song.
I take a minute out playingmusic for people to listen to,
and I think the gift of song isa good place to be.
Some of you might like readingbooks, some of you might like
taking a quiet walk, playingsports, even if it's just, you
(54:10):
know, meditating and being quiet.
Heal yourselves.
People, house your soul, pullyour spirit and put it in
something that is sanctimonious,that is protected, that has
measure, that you rule and rideby.
And I invite you to join me onSaturday nights on Freshest FM.
Google it, it's on everyplatform, freshestfmcom.
(54:32):
Or go to theglobaldancepartycom, check me out.
I'm playing music to healmyself.
You know you reach back andhear the music of the ancestors,
the vibration of the universe.
Heal yourselves not throughmusic, but through meditation,
music and modalities for themission of the Most High God
that he wants us to bepurpose-filled, wow.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well, there you have it, dr Glenn Tobey.
Thank you for being on the show.
Thank you for sharing theseinsights.
I hope, as you're listening,you're going to go back and
watch this.
This is not one of thosepodcasts where you can go oh, I
think I got everything, becauseI promise you, after the third
time you're listening to this,you're going to go oh, that's
what he was talking about, oh,that's what he said.
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And so hit the subscribe button, hit the notification button.
I try to bring you the best ofthe best.
Folks that are moving forward,folks that are taking their
lives and saying I want my lifenot to be what it is, just for
me, but I want to influenceothers in a way that's going to
make their lives better as well.
And if we do that together, wedo that enough.
(55:38):
We are going to change livesfrom people all over the world.
We're going to changecommunities.
We're going to end up beingcoming to people that we've
dreamed of being our whole lives, and so you're a part of it.
I can't wait to talk to you.
I can't wait to haveconversations, because we need
to get into these deepconversations, because we don't
spend enough time talking aboutthe things that truly matter,
and I think today, dr Toby, wedid that together, you and I,
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and it was phenomenal, and sothank you for being part of this
podcast.
I believe you're God's greatestgift.
He loves you, if you allow himto, and I can't wait to see you
on the next one that we do.
You guys have an amazing,incredible day.
Talk to you soon.
Failure is an ingredient to victory.
You can't win without a loss.
Most of the times we want theloss to be on the other side and
win 100% of the time when we'redoing things.
So 100% of the times I want towin, 100% of the time I want the
other guy to lose.
That's not a real victory.
That's not a champion.
Champions are able to sustainlosses, overcome their limits by
partnering, by having systemicsolutions, by having
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understanding, by working withpeople, being patient, by being
humble to observe and to bewilling to share.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
All right, welcome to another edition.
This is a special edition.
This is, I guess, an editionthat I have been waiting for for
a long time, and so this is theJourney to Freedom podcast.
I'm Dr B, I'm your host and Ijust I get so excited every time
I get to do a podcast withsomebody who is doing something,
somebody who is moving forward,somebody who is making a
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difference, somebody who iswilling to not only just try to
make money for themselves, butsomebody who is saying I want to
be out there, I want to work onmaking other people's lives
better.
You know, dr Glenn and I weretalking right before the podcast
and I asked him what are youmost excited about?
(01:26):
And the answer I got back wasnot only the correct answer, but
the answer that I want you tohave, because it's the answer
where I get to serve and helppeople.
And I don't know if you knowthis, dr Glenn, but Journey to
Freedom was created because Iwent to a seminar.
This guy named David Horsak,this guy who has done all this
research on trust and what itmeans to trust and how important
(01:49):
trust is, in fact, he's goingto be on my podcast tomorrow,
but you know, I went to theseminar and there's four or 500
people that are in the room andI look around the room and
there's like 30 people in theroom and I'm going.
This information is soimportant, this information is
so needed.
It's back with research, it'sback with, you know, years and
(02:10):
years of him putting togetherall these things, but my
community is not being able toaccess it.
And I'm like, well, why?
And I'm thinking why?
And so because we don't know,because we haven't had
experiences, we are not incircles with the men and women
that are in this room and so,therefore, we're not being
invited.
You know it was.
(02:30):
It happened to be that thegentleman who invited me to it
was David Horsager's roommate incollege and they stay a lot
together and so I was able toget into this and they he did
have some folks of color thatwere up on stage and that were
talking, and a Super Bowlchampion, a colonel from the
Navy that was doing some amazingthings.
But I came back and I said, howdo I get this into my community?
(02:53):
And it started out the journeyto freedom.
And it started out okay, isthere a coaching program where I
can find black folks that arestuck.
And I said I just want to dowith folks of color.
And then I started prayingabout it and then God told me no
, I need you to do this withblack men.
And I'm saying but God, blackmen, that's hard, that's not
going to be easy.
And he said that's what I wantyou to do.
(03:14):
And I said I'm going to beobedient, I'm going to do it,
I'm going to start out, andthat's what began the journey
with the podcast that I puttogether.
I said I can't just do you knowpeople tell me, well, just do
one episode a week, do oneepisode a month.
I said one episode a month.
I'm not going to get to knowfolks.
So last year, in 2024, I saidI'm going to do 100 black men in
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2024.
And I ended up doing 105.
And then I said this year I'mgoing to do another 100, if not
more.
And then I said this year I'mgoing to do another 100, if not
more.
And then that's going to get me, you know, and now I'm over.
About 170 is where we're at aswe're talking today, and I'm
going to keep going, because themore that I do, the more that I
realize how important it isthat we not only see all the
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folks that look like us, but andI didn't think that was
important I said this isimportant to be able to see
other people who are doing thesame thing that we're doing.
And then I started talking topeople, and one of the themes in
this podcast has been I wasable to do it because I saw
somebody else doing somethingsimilar.
(04:21):
I even said to myself I went tothat seminar, right, I said I
don't need to see people, but Icounted how many people were
there that looked like me.
So that's all me right there.
I think it's a difference.
So that indicated to me that,even though I say it's not
important, it truly is important, and so thank you for being on
today.
I thank you for sharing yourstory today, and I've asked him,
(04:44):
I've asked Dr Glenn, to tellhis story, you know, because
when we hear story, we say I canidentify with that, or oh, that
never happened to me and that'swhy I'm so blessed, or I need
to get my butt going, you know,and so, whatever it is, I love
hearing story.
We're going to chop it up afterthat.
We're going to have some funtalking maybe about the pillars,
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maybe about some other stuff,but I want to start out with
story, because I think that'sthe most important part of what
we do.
So the floor is yours.
Thank you for being on.
Thank you for being part ofthis.
The floor, let's go.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Thank you.
Thank you for including me, doc.
You're doing a great job.
This thing's blowing up.
I'm proud to be here, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So how did your life begin?
What happened?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, I was born in Brooklyn, raised in Queens.
I experienced youthhomelessness really early.
At the age of eight Came home.
All of our belongings andproperty was in the street.
My mother had a tough time atwork.
She refused to assist him orboss or anybody to compromise
her.
So it led to us bouncing around, my brother Randall and I, my
grandmother and we stayed withrelatives and, obviously,
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government assistance andprograms to help us get through
tough times.
Seventh grade I get to QueensVillage, hollis, where people
know Run DMC in Queens.
Queens gets the money.
And I became a student becausewe came up in a household full
of love, grace, wisdom,understanding and love.
Even during our toughest timeswe lacked for nothing but we
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struggled.
We were never compromised, wewere never harmed and that gave
us a fair amount of confidenceand ability and education to
compete.
We competed from seventh gradeall the way through, finishing
up through high school at thattime.
But I became a rapper.
I was one of the pioneers inQueens, one of the first rappers
before hip-hop becamecommercialized.
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I was called Mr Sweetie G.
I had a record underground,critically acclaimed record
called the Place to Be.
From there.
There uh joined mike and daveand was recording with and uh
traveling with people like uhcrash crew, grandmaster flash,
curtis blow grandmaster kaz, ofcourse the great djs such as
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infinity machine, the discotwins understand inside for
sounds, all these other rap orum uh pioneers who were there
with me.
From there I got the?
Uh honor of managing ll cool j.
I was invited to join charlesfisher and brian the tour to
manage l cool j during theperiod of uh the mr smith album,
which you see behind us rightthere um in the house with
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quincy jones and uh the fugudeal was there.
I went on to discover uhpositive k.
I produced and uh co-wrote hisfirst record.
I'm getting paid.
Uh managed him with my brotherrandall from there went on to
discover uh david banner, therapper, the actor.
Um I got him his record dealand helped developed his band,
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his group, which was calledcrooked letters.
I worked with saigon, went intothe acting space and obviously
everybody from uh jason mitchellwith um straight out of compton
the shy and so many otherthings, got to manage him, go
manage him with cory.
And then uh we went through andgot into the sports world.
Uh, in the sports world um withalonzo shames.
(08:06):
We did about 350 milliondollars in business nfl, nba and
, of course, uh boxing.
Uh represented um worldchampionship boxers went on to
sell that company and um, I didassanti's um 61 million dollar
deal with our team, did Asante's$61 million deal with our team
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and now I'm currently in thespace of finance and economics
as an advisor with a consultingcompany and I'm working with RCP
Capital, with biotech, andwe're doing venture capital and
working on a day-to-day basis tomake the world better as a
serial entrepreneur and thingslike that.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh my gosh.
Now one of the things let meput myself back on here One of
the things that you know as youwere telling your story and
you're growing up and you knowwhat your mom had to do and the
things that she had to gothrough.
I didn't hear in there anythingabout a dad or a father Maybe
kind of just share with us alittle bit about how that
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situation progressed and whohelped you in the community
while you were growing up.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So yeah, my father wasn't in my life.
My father was a gentleman thatwas well off, not always a
gentleman, tough guy.
So I was without a dad but Ihad my uncle.
God bless him.
And my uncle was a guidingforce in the male image.
But much of leadership and theconstructs of manhood,
especially coming as a black man, was from TV shows, movies,
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books that I would read RalphEllison's Invisible man.
I reflected and tied into thatheavily.
I was a heavy, voracious reader.
And of course you know I cameback from Queens.
You know Southside QueensSupreme Team, the Furtado
Brothers, carly, pappy, mason.
I wasn't a drug dealer, but theeconomy.
We benefited from the drugtrade because there was so much
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money in the 80s.
So I decided not to go thatroute.
You know the street ministryand I was looking at the calling
of the streets, that ministry.
Some people were called todeath, some were called to grace
, some were called to money,some were called to education.
I was called to, through thecreative platforms and education
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, a world of entrepreneurism andworking in entertainment and
communications.
That became my pathway out ofthe struggle and economic, the
limited economic opportunitiesand the thing, the perils that
the drugs did to our community.
Oh my gosh, yeah, the hoodsuperstars.
And I was able to construct andcreate what I wanted for myself
(10:40):
through looking at these heroesthat failed and the heroes that
succeeded Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
You know one of the things that I was able to
interview not too long agoRonnie DeVoe you know and coming
from some of the sameneighborhoods and you know part
of New Edition and you know theywere.
They were kids, you were alittle bit older to the time
when they were kids, but at thesame time you know he really
talked about the differentcommunities within New York and
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knowing exactly you know whereyou could be and be OK where you
shouldn't be.
But then he just said there wasa big community that did what
they could to take care of theiryouth and I'm assuming that a
lot of your, your rap and thethings, things that you rapped
about, came from the communityand what you knew.
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Maybe kind of talk about that alittle bit of how it inspired
you and you were able to moveforward without getting involved
with being a dealer and thatkind of stuff, absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
For me it was easy.
We went from.
I think the cocaine era wascrazy.
When crack hit America and morespecifically when it hit Queens
, brooklyn, the five boroughs, Isaw how much money was being
made so fast.
I couldn't fathom the amount ofmoney that was being made.
I couldn't understand thetraction.
But I looked at childrengetting addicted.
I looked at pregnant womenbeing given drugs.
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I saw the lines that wereoutside of the crack spots and I
knew these were merchants ofdeath, not necessarily that I
connotated or attached it to thebrothers as doing it, but I
knew the system of it where oneperson was getting all the
victory for some work theyweren't doing.
I saw the spirit of the drugdealer where it was all me, me,
me, I, I and everybody wasending up in the same spirit and
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the same mindset.
And I loved community because Iwas so connected to my
community.
In different times I wascollected, you know, from the
wealth of my community when Ibecame older and I saw people
making money and helping out topoverty at its lowest and most
extreme levels and I knew Iwanted absolutely nothing to do
with it.
You know, music allowed me tobe just as fly as the next guy.
(12:44):
Music allowed me to drive thesame cars, to have a voice that
was not compromised orcontrolled.
So I realized that the pathwayyou know, sometimes you got to
go through hell to get to heaven.
But I wasn't willing to sell mysoul, I wasn't willing to be
compromised, I wasn't going tohave a boss, I wasn't checking
in like the gangs checked in andI just figured I'd take the
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slow path.
I mean, oftentimes some of thedrug dealers' monies end up in
the clubs.
I mean guys were buying thebottles or rolling and balling
out of control, buying thejewelry, paying tickets to come
see us and these celebrities.
So I just did what it was, butI managed.
My pocket and my heart and mysoul were different.
I didn't connect them.
One had nothing to do with theother.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Did your mom make you go to church?
Was the church, community, apart of your youth and growing
up?
Well, the community is nomatter what, but was that part
of your existence and what youhad to do, or was it not?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
yeah, the spiritual part was, you know, my family
was faith-based.
You know a baptist upbringing,my mother's from georgia.
Father was from mississippi,although he wasn't there, but my
roots are southern and I lookedat the system.
I realized that religion andthe constructs of you know,
having something bigger than you, greater than you.
I believed in god every way,but after I continued to learn,
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I said to myself I I wouldrather walk like Jesus than talk
like Jesus.
And it wasn't about the label,it was about being able.
I looked at you know whetherit's.
Islam, whether it's Judaism,whether it's Buddhism, whether
it's Catholicism or the Baptistupbringing, catholicism or the
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Baptist upbringing and all ofthe reading, the seating, the
teaching and the reaching andthe preaching means nothing if
you're not finishing right.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Amen, I love it and the reason I'm asking you these
questions and I think you knowthis is because I really want to
speak to identity and theidentity that we hold for
ourselves in order to moveforward and being a serial
entrepreneur and being able to,you know, continue in all these
different circles and to do welland to be successful.
A lot of folks that will watchthis will look at it and go.
(14:53):
Well, you know, I keep runninginto roadblocks, I keep running
into things.
I'm saying, well, your identityisn't matching the person that
you're trying to be, so you'reliving in this other identity
than trying to do the stuff overhere.
How can you tell me, or how canyou explain, how you were able
to recreate yourself, createthat identity of belief that if
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I do this it's going to work,instead of the I do this it's
going to?
I mean, failure is part of it,but you go into it thinking, hey
, I don't go into this thing,it's going to fail to start out,
but so many people that I workwith, so many people that I talk
to, that's exactly, I'll try,but it's going to fail.
So kind of talk about youridentity through this whole
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process here.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah.
So to me, failure is aningredient to victory.
You can't win without a loss.
Most of the times we want theloss to be on the other side and
win 100% of the time when we'redoing things.
So 100% of the times I want towin, 100% of the time I want the
other guy to lose.
That's not a real victory,that's not a champion.
Champions are able to sustainlosses, overcome their limits by
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partnering, by having systemicsolutions, by having
understanding, by working withpeople, being patient, by being
humble to observe and to bewilling to share.
So I realized that there's somecore components to us as human
beings, whether it's a badtemper, whether it is a humorous
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spirit, a forgiving spirit,whether you're a great
storyteller, whether you're ableto be completely quiet under
duress.
So I believe that epigenetics,which means things are passed
down from our ancestors, it isproven genetically that some of
us are more available and opento certain types of thinking.
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Some of us are more open andprone to certain type of
diseases or to certainbehavioral processes.
So meaning processes means thisguy loses his temper and the
majority of the time when heloses the temper, nobody may
know it, because he's picking upfrom his mother's side who's
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really quiet.
There could be some guy that'sreally quiet and he's extremely
violent.
There are people that are proneto alcoholism or they have the
way they express themselves,facial expressions, physical
traits that are passed on.
Expressions, physical traitsthat are passed on.
Someone's dad is an amazingathlete.
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Somebody's mother is a greatstoryteller or is a leader in
some respect.
I started saying I want to pickfrom some of the stories that
I've heard from my ancestors and, more closely, my family, my
mother, my father, my brother,my sister, and even on an
environmental level.
I could look at somebody acrossthe street.
One of the guys that was, youknow, he just couldn't control
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himself, ended up getting 20 tolife, complete life.
I would always lose his temper.
I would study that behavior.
I'd see the guy that was soquiet that ended up becoming a
medical doctor or becoming asuperstar in my neighborhood.
So I think one of the ways isself-control and identifying
characteristics, personification, meaning I'm looking at what
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everybody else is doing.
How do I interpret that?
How am I managing it?
Because I govern my life.
I can write the book of my lifeby measuring the chapter and
going line by line or paragraphby paragraph.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
How did you get me?
Because you're saying I can dothis and there's so many folks
that believe they can't.
What do you think?
And I believe in epigeneticsand I believe, you know, a
hundred percent in you.
Know we have purposes and Godput us on this planet for
whatever the reason is, and it'sour job to find that and
fulfill that.
But at the same time it seemslike some of our culture just
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ingrains in us that we can't andsomehow you came of it.
It was because you had a seriesof small victories.
Was it because your mom justkept saying hey, I believe in
you.
What are some of the thingsthat you can, I guess, reach
back to and say in your life,these were some pivotal.
Maybe it was people that justshowed up that said you can do
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this.
What to you?
What is that?
What does that look like?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I think you know the people can show up.
You have to show up foryourself.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, my grandmother used to call, used to say hello,
precious angel from heaven, orhello, these endearing words
that she'd say.
And I remember connecting tothose words, not knowing if I'm
that valuable or I didn't lookover my shoulder when she said
it, but she said it enough thatI thought something.
I was special to her.
That was my whole world.
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My grandmother was like God tome.
You know my mother.
My grandmother was over mymother and she was guiding my
mother and working with mymother through all her
challenges, even when thingswere great.
But it begins with the nuclearfamily.
I was born rich.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
We just didn't have any money.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You know, I didn't miss anything.
I didn't even miss a day's fooduntil a meal, until we were
homeless, and then we skipped afew, but we get them back on the
end.
So it's about the nuclearfamily.
It's about the nuclear family.
What's missing now is themothers and fathers are not able
to reach back and bring theirgrandparents or their uncles or
their granduncles their otherleaders are not apparently
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prepared to compromise thethings that need to be done.
Does that mean a church isgoing to take less ties in and
they got to do fundraisersthemselves?
Does that mean that the fatherthat's trying to become rich,
whether he's studying every day,driving an Uber, working two
jobs to become an attorney, ifhe's at Harvard, or if he's a
street pharmacist, whatever thisperson's doing, how much
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attention is being given to thechildren?
So the nuclear family haschanged so much that we don't
have that resource, that pureplace we could pull from.
When the grandmother would justsay those things of wisdom.
She didn't want any fame, shedidn't want power, she didn't
care what was going ontelevision.
She didn't care about anythingexcept God and her family moving
(20:54):
forward.
That has changed so much.
Now the grandparents arelistening to the same music a
lot of times.
A lot of times they'recompeting for the same attention
in the same space.
A lot of times they'recompeting for the same attention
in the same space A lot oftimes they need a healing, a
revealing, and they needsalvation more than the child
themselves and they're competingfor the grace of God or the
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grace of good.
And there's no resource ofpurity, there's no holistic safe
space that a child can go backto their mother or their father
and have a hard discussion.
The father might be dead, hemight be in prison, the mother
may be absent.
In spirit that they can't havethis conversation.
That is the connection thatcures the ailing, losing, dying
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seed that's gonna bear the fruitthat comes from our ancestors.
It's that nuclear family.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh my gosh, you just hit it.
I mean how much I've beentalking about.
I took a group of men, you know, as a part of the journey of
freedom, down to Alabama at thebeginning of the year, first
part of January, and so we couldconnect to.
This is what our past lookslike.
I was able to take a few of mysons down there for the first
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time.
I'm from Denver, so I haven'tspent a whole lot of time in the
South.
You know, I went last year andwe went on this tour and we're
going through and I'm like thisis what family looked like.
This is what it looked like inthe 30s and 40s and 50s, all the
60s.
All these things were goingwrong and yet our families were
strong and I came out of theresaying we have to create
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something for the nuclear family.
That isn't changing from what'shappening right now.
You know I'm telling my sonswho have my grandkids that how
important it is Like you knowwho gets up in the morning and
says precious angel to yourdaughters, who is it Like I make
sure every single week.
You know, I call.
I have eight children and 16grandkids now, so every Sunday I
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send a thing because I'm notwith them, right?
I'm not, you know, they're notall in Colorado, so I'm in
California and I say I just callthe A-Tribe kids.
My last name's Arnold.
So we call the A-Tribe kids andliterally this last session
that I'm doing with them,whether I call them, we play
(23:14):
games over on on uh, uh, what isit?
Zoom, or whatever, or I sendthem out messages about their
heritage, and so this now I'mgoing through all 16 and I'm
talking about their name, and soI said you know, this week was
Zoe.
Zoe, your name is beautiful.
Let me speak over you, let mepray over you, let me put this
into you that you are fromgreatness.
And if I don't do it right,because, like you said, how many
(23:34):
grandparents are out there justdoing, you know, competing with
their kids?
And they're out there.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I can't wait till they get out of my house.
What do you mean?
Wait till they get out of yourhouse?
I can't wait till I spend moretime with them, where I get to
feed into them, where I get tonourish their thought process.
Why they're young, right?
Because once they hit the teen,my oldest grandchild is 14.
And so she's getting it from me, but she probably don't want it
(24:03):
as much as she's getting itfrom me, right?
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It'll be there, though.
It'll be in the reservoir, andthat's the key brother, the
reservoir, what is saved up,what is held up, that reservoir
is where we draw from, and ifeverybody's chasing money and
chasing tomorrow and justchasing legacy, there'll be
nothing to draw from.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, and when you think about our neighborhoods
and people, you knowno-transcript.
(24:55):
Ranked in basketball.
At nine years old, I'm likewhat does that mean?
Ranked by who?
Ranked by the people thatyou're paying to say you're
ranked?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It's amazing you say that, doc, because I have a
company.
It's called the Winner's Circle.
It's a sports agency.
My partner, rakim Vic, and I wego across the country.
We're dealing with studentsfrom high school level all the
way through college to the pros,because NIL name, image and
likeness is exploding on thescene.
(25:29):
Now these kids are about to getmoney revenue that's coming
from the television revenue.
We've seen kids that are goingin at 150 to 250 000 from NIL
money from University thatwithin a year to two years many
of them are transferring insidethe portal and earning as much
as a million dollars.
Everything that we're doing istied to a spiritual base because
(25:50):
the average athlete is brokenfor years.
The average student athlete isgoing in and the attrition rates
that turn these people back tonothing and nowhere don't matter
.
So to your point, I onlymentioned that because at the
Winter Circle we're dealingstudent athletes not just on the
academics but making sure thatthey're moving somewhere.
(26:11):
But you made another point.
People talk about the game ofbasketball, football, boxing,
track.
What about the mind game?
The mind game?
Who's coaching that game?
Who's coaching that game?
Who's controlling what are therules?
On a macro and a microeconomiclevel games are played.
(26:32):
They call it the stock market.
But if you look at the stockmarket, if you look at other
markets, historical markets thatare not, you know, public
(26:52):
markets, they're private markets.
Whether it's hedge funds,whether it's venture capital
space that I'm playing in that'scompletely monetized, but it's
not shown who's coaching thatfive-year-old to get in the game
of life and the game of moneyand the game of spirit.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh, my goodness, I'm so glad that you're doing that,
because that's the part that'smissing, right?
The parents get so caught up inwhat it could be and all but
and forget, wait a minute.
Yeah, your kid's a good athleteright now, and that might.
But they're thinking that's myticket, you know, into a better
life, like I'm living my lifethrough my child.
Instead of, instead of exposingmy child to experiences Like
(27:24):
right now, with with my, my, mykids, I'm like what's wrong with
chess club?
What's wrong with financialclub?
Will we play the name game?
I want their minds to be soexposed to so many things.
If they happen to be a greatathlete great, you have the
genetics to be able to do that.
It's been passed down.
(27:44):
Go for it, knock yourself out.
But when that first check comes, you know it's been passed down
.
Go for it, knock yourself out.
But when that first check comesespecially with the NIL right
when that first check comes now,you know what to do with it
because we've been talking aboutit.
We've been playing cashflow.
You know Robert Kiyosaki'scashflow game for 15 years.
It's just so amazing thatparents aren't thinking through
(28:04):
that One of the things that yousaid and this kind of goes along
with this is you said that Iwanted to compete, I wanted to
win, but then also that meansyou have to lose.
And I want to talk about thatfor a little bit, because now
that I'm older, I think about,yeah, in athletics that's what I
always wanted to do, I wantedto be the best that I could
possibly be, and you know.
(28:25):
But at the same time I'm likeisn't there enough abundance
that we can share this wealth?
And we doesn't, because justbecause I win doesn't mean you
have to lose.
Why can't we both win?
And how have you been able todo that through your businesses
and through the things?
Winner's circle sounds likesomething that's just like that,
(28:45):
but you know, does it do people?
I mean, I don't think that wasa new thought.
I mean that's kind of yeah,how's your thought process in
abundance?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, you know.
So you know, in music, as arapper, when I was Mr Sweetie, I
was a battle rapper.
I'm one of the first guys thatput singing and rapping together
and it was aggressive.
From that aggression, musicgoes right into the sports,
competing on the chart positionsand selling tickets.
And then I went in the sportsindustry, which was brutally,
brutally competitive.
(29:16):
My thesis was to take thecreativity of the music business
and merge it with the structureand discipline of sports.
But I realized when you overcomea challenge and when you're
able to be victorious, you haveto look over your back.
You have to keep dignity.
You can't just kill everybodyin the village and then take
over the land.
This should be rules ofengagement and war.
(29:38):
So you want to make sure thatwhen you're winning, that person
can come back to the table.
You can come back to the tableand a sustained win means
sometimes you don't.
Some losses are actuallysustained wins.
Some wins are sustained losses.
You may have won today, but themarket conditions can change
tomorrow.
That person that you weresupervising can end up in
(29:59):
another company that needs acontract.
We've got to keep theconstructs and we have to think
about being respectful,empathetic, intelligent and
using emotional intelligence aswell as critical thinking.
You got to think on both sides,you know.
So if I win and I'm victorious,and the person that's working
or laboring for me or with me,how do I make sure that they're
not going to alienate or turnagainst me?
(30:21):
So there has to be decency,humanity, respect and you got to
keep things open to be able tonegotiate.
You don't want to to cut offthe air.
If you cut that air off, youcut that rope off, there's no
connectivity and you won't knowwhat's going on outside of your
sphere.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I love how you put that, because there's the
respect that goes in.
And one of the things that Ican remember about athletics is
I still rooted for the personthat was.
You know, let's say, I'm trackbecause I was a 400 hurler,
right.
I can remember there was achance where I got to run
against Edwin Moses, right.
And so I remember, you know,watching his back.
Well, I wanted to win, but Goddidn't give me that talent to
(30:57):
win in those races.
Right, he's the greatest, oneof the greatest I've ever lived.
But every chance I get, I stillwant to root for him.
I still want him to win, Istill want him to be great.
And when we think aboutrelationships and associations
and the people that you arearound, if you give up those
relationships because you'retrying to beat the guy down or
you're trying to bedisrespectful, or I got to win
at all costs and so I have totake from you in order for me to
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win, then you lose thoserelationships that can propel
you forward.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Talk to me a little bit about your relationships and
how you cultivated them overthe years, because you don't get
to where you're at with badrelationships, where you stepped
on people, yeah Well, it wasfailing hard, and failing hard
means it has such an impact thatyou're forced to make a change.
You know, some people havelight.
Their losses are limited.
These limited losses you'veseen it with people that are
recidivist uh, incarceration isone of them.
(31:51):
A guy gets into a situation.
His attorney beats the case,there's no learning.
Uh, the guy that's stuck inbeing unethical or you know, is
in situations where he's notmanaging and monitoring or
editing behavior.
So you have to be open to beingso critical on yourself that
you're tired of the results thatyou're getting.
Someone else may not force youto do better, because your
(32:13):
partner is supplying you withmaybe it's resources, maybe it's
materials, maybe it'sdistribution finance.
Someone can actually provideyou with everything you need to
be successful, but you're notgetting the net result that you
want because no one's helpingyou.
Nobody's telling you hey, youknow what, we know.
(32:35):
You're in this business whereyou pick up waste and you're
dumping some stuff in the water.
I read about it in thenewspaper.
Or I know you're not doing thisright.
Or, hey, some of your employeescalled and I see that you're
having a labor struggle doingthis right?
Or hey, some of your employeescalled and I see that you're
having a labor struggle If youdon't keep an open relationship
for people to tell you or ifsomeone doesn't choose to tell
you they don't care.
You have to be intuitive and intouch.
(32:56):
You have to have discernment toknow that.
You need to have the discretionto check yourself and it's not
always in money.
Sometimes, looking at KPIs andwhat the results are, they're
not based on how much you make,they're not based on what you're
doing, but it's based on yourcustomers.
How happy are your customers?
How happy are your strategicpartners?
Do people that you venture withcome back and go crazy because
(33:18):
you bring value?
If you're not aware of that,you could end up finding out how
ineffective or effective youare when it's too late up
finding out how ineffective oreffective you are when it's too
late, when you think of it.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You said the word failing hard.
Can you give us an example ofwhat that means, because I think
some people think they failhard when it's just something
that is so simple?
You haven't failed yet yourlife isn't know.
Give me an example of what thatmight have been like.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I think failing hard is when you walk away from it.
You could make all the moneythere is and people on your team
have suffered.
Maybe somebody had a badexperience making the money,
someone wasn't treated right,there's litigation.
The community is affected in away.
You got this big contract, youmade all the money money and so
many people don't feel thisequitable exchange.
(34:08):
Well, you should go home andhave a hard time sleeping.
You should have a hard timewhen your spirit is awakened in
the morning to step into the newshoes, the new pants, the new
role, the new life that isafforded or taken from you, that
part of your life that you lost.
It should be so hard pressed onyou that it makes it difficult
(34:28):
to breathe.
It makes it difficult to takethat phone call, difficult to
read what they're saying anddoing.
Failing hard is like hearingfrom God.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Thank you for that, because that's so important,
because I think, well, I know,you know, for me, until you've
fallen, and you've fallen in away where you feel like that and
it is hard to breathe, youdon't really kind.
They would, you know, becauseit might be the way they got
planned in a way or the way youknow, but you thought that they
would.
They don't go that way.
(35:10):
Now you have to move forward oryou have to do kind of this
thing to do it.
What are some of the thingsthat you do in your personal
development or your personalthought process, or how you're
able to get through those timeswhen it feels like there are no
time?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
able to get through those times when it feels like
there are no times.
Well, generally you know, ifit's just on a regular business
level where there's exchange andthen things you can't control
because you have workers,employees or market conditions
that change.
But sometimes a fall from gracewill lead you to your place,
the greatest hardships.
It shakes you to the core ofyour soul.
Maybe you're in a lawsuit andsomebody's talking about ethics
(35:49):
or they're coming at you in away that's just not right.
It's not true.
Unfair business practices, justgreat ideas that don't work out
, you know, and if your ego's init, you'll think you're falling
from grace, but you're not.
It's grace that allows you tofail, it's the will of God not
the want of man.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh, my gosh, when you think about moving forward and
the things that allow you topick yourself up, there's so
many people who, and let's jumpinto our race and being a Black
man in America, and let's justlet's jump into our race and
being a black man in America,and we want to give outside
conditions or outside things toso much weight that they're the
(36:34):
reasons that we are failing orthe reasons we believe that we
can't move on.
You know and I'm not sayingthis has been a country that has
been pro, pro African-Americanor pro black or, you know, for
the last 40, pro-men, for thatmatter, Black men.
How have you been able to walkyourself through as being a
(36:55):
Black man, knowing, hey, theseare outside conditions or
outside contributors compared tomy inside desire and ability to
move forward?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
40 acres.
I won't take it.
I got all that I need.
A matter of fact, I'm notconcerned about those people
with greed.
I just got to lay down, staydown, pray down, do what I do.
I'm not really that concernedabout DEI.
None of that stuff that youknew would never come back.
You know, it was promised tothe ancestors.
But I say I don't know, I liketo do what was best.
I'm not concerned what they'redoing in the east or the west.
(37:26):
I'm the teacher and the master.
I give myself a test and Ialways show up.
I increase the peace and I comedown like a beast and I'm the
master of my house.
I think like a master and Ithink like a slave.
No one's going to tell me howto behave.
What I do is I stack them,dollars down and I start to save
.
And guess what?
I'm living in a crazy place.
(37:46):
I'm not in a cave, and thenwhen you see me win, the crowd
will wave.
Guess what?
I'm kind of clean, but I stillneed to shave.
I think about this, brother,because it's all up to me.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I'm going to break it down with righteousness, ethics
and decree.
You've definitely thought aboutit.
Thank you, that was amazing.
Oh, so where does that song Imean that rap come from Top of
my head?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I just made that up, I'm just having some fun.
I'm just having some fun withmy brother talking about some
amazing philosophical.
We're getting into philosophy,spirit, economics.
It's rare that we have thisexchange.
I'm just trying to say topeople you know, when the
president was elected 46, 47,45,.
I'm the president of my house,I am the master of my destiny, I
(38:43):
am the Lord of my land.
I enact and carry out thelegislative process of my life,
so I'm not really voting onanybody.
I go and I vote.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm not a member of a party, because there's nothing
to party about.
I'm at work it's so importantbecause some, some of the
community I went, I was down atthe state capital the other day
and I was testifying and doingsome stuff there, but there's
just this belief that somehowthe person who got elected, or
(39:16):
you know, like you said, thelast however many presidents,
and that's going to affect myability to move forward.
Maybe talk about that a littlebit, because you just said I'm
the master of my house, I'm themaster of my thing, I'm the one
who does and decides mylegislation.
How do people get away fromthat mindset that somehow we're
still controlled by ourelectorate or by the folks that
(39:39):
are around us?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, you know people are operating on the decree.
You got to think of your birthrights, our inalienable rights,
our human rights, our spiritualrights are not confirmed or
controlled by anybody.
You know, people are looking forreparations, people are
fighting about what people havetaken away.
I think I work so hard and I'min touch with the supreme
(40:08):
elements of my existence.
I try to reframe them every day, try to become better every day
, learning.
We're just so responsible forourselves, man.
I mean, we're the mostresilient people.
We have been able to survive somany things, creators of
culture, people that have lovedand forgiven people who have
done so many wrong things to us.
An open society, our collectiveconsciousness is what will rule
(40:30):
and fuel the future.
For tomorrow, there's nothingto borrow, no sorrow.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
We think about a relationship with money and the
flow of money in and out of ourlives and so many folks get
stuck because there's so muchemphasis on the thought of that
relationship that they have.
That is maybe a positive one,maybe not a positive one, maybe
I can't.
Maybe I can't.
How have you been able becauseI know money's flown in and out
(40:58):
of your life lots of money youknow at times and you know you
talked about being homeless atother times as an adult it's
probably floated it out prettyquickly Talk about the
relationship of money and howyou view money and why that has
been helpful in your life.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I mean, most people look at money like a lottery
ticket or like a dream wherethey're going to do this one
thing that's going to changeeverything and they won't have
to work anymore, like thefantasy of retirement or being
so wealthy they'll never workagain.
Well, money is really anamazing magnetic, kinetic
relationship with economics.
There's rich.
Rich is when you're countingsomething and you have a
(41:39):
fullness of it.
And then there's wealth.
Wealth is systemic.
It is a system that's practiced, that moves itself.
It becomes a living entity andan element.
It is a thought process.
It is how you wake up, how yougo to sleep.
In between, it is theresponsibility of things that
have value, how you respect thevalue.
And, I think, foremost, whatpeople don't get is they don't
(42:04):
see that economics.
If you're looking to be anentrepreneur, if you're looking
for wealth, if you're lookingfor not just a sustainable life
but one that's legacy and thatmoves on, you have to see it
that you only get up to bat acertain amount of times.
The same way, when you're onthe basketball court or tennis
court, or if you're in a debate,if you're an attorney, you have
(42:31):
a certain amount of hours ordays that you're going to be
heard by the jury or by thereferee or the clock.
We only have a certain amountof time to get it right.
We have to save, save, save,invest, invest, invest.
Like it's our last day on ourlast dollar.
Invest like it's our last dayon our last dollar.
The clock is ticking.
Nothing's permanent.
People are looking for a rushed,fast process.
They want gourmet cooking usinga microwave oven.
(42:53):
They want to AI things to getan answer that's not delivered
from the source.
It is coming from a source andit's replicated.
's all the basics, man, theonly way to get rich and stay
rich is to stay with the basics.
You cannot cheat time.
You cannot get by the humanprinciples.
(43:14):
You cannot con or pretend withnumbers.
Numbers are where they are.
It's constructs and deliverablesystems that bring the money.
It.
It's not getting the money.
People would con the money,scam the money, drug dealers
robbing a bank, conning peoplewhatever people are doing, you
cannot beat the science of money.
(43:35):
There's some basic principlesthat have to stay in place in
order for the money to grow orfor you to have a seed to sow.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I'm so glad you brought up time, because that
was going to be the next thingand the way that we spend our
time and the things that weshould be spending our time on.
I think it's skewed a lot.
I love entertainment.
You're an entertainer.
I think entertainment is so.
I love entertainment.
You're an entertainer.
I think entertainment is soimportant, but sometimes we
sacrifice it for educatingourselves and moving ourselves
(44:09):
forward.
We can go watch I can go watcha Super Bowl game.
I can go love who PatrickMahomes is and enjoy Heard and
say these are amazing men whoare doing stuff, but sometimes I
find people who know more aboutthe stats of those two men than
they know about their kids,their life.
They don't spend any timereading a book, like you said
(44:30):
you did.
They don't spend any time beingaround people that are moving
forward.
They're being entertained allthe time and sometimes I think
it's just a distraction fromlearning what they already do.
So when you think about timeand that we only have a limited
amount, where do you think isthe best place to spend your
time during your days?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Take some time for yourself, whether you wake up or
when you go to sleep.
In between, have some quiettime.
Hear the voice of the Father,hear God's voice.
If you're not hearing it, thenyou got to go dig deeper and put
more into that.
If you're not hearing it, thenyou got to go digger, dig deeper
and put more into that.
If you're having confusion, youknow you need it even more, so
maybe you got to shut everythingdown, quiet those inner voices,
find out what shoulder'stalking and say the devil and
(45:13):
the angels on each side.
Who's talking?
What's the difference betweenthese two and this one?
Right here, right in here.
So I think it's important totake that time.
And money is okay, but humancapital is worth more than
currency.
Currency flows your way.
It goes up and down.
There's ebbs and flows, butsolid relationships.
(45:36):
I would rather lose a milliondollars with someone I love than
to make a million dollars withsomeone I hate.
I have that option.
Some people think they don'thave the option, so they're
involved in getting money thatdoesn't belong to them, money
that came too fast, or freemoney, and free things cost more
.
They do.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
And so, like, would you think of, like the time on
spinning?
Are there books, or is therelike one or two books, or just
you know?
How do you find out?
How do you educate yourself?
I mean, there's YouTube andthere's everything else.
How do you spend some of yourtime becoming better?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Now with you know I love the podcast world because
not only do you get to read thebook that the so if you have
your favorite author, you'rereading a book, you can get to
read the book that the so if youhave your favorite author,
you're reading a book um, youcannot just read the book.
Now you can hear what theauthor is saying.
They have.
Audio books were a lot easier.
There's lectures.
There's so much moving media.
There's youtube, university,which is amazing.
(46:36):
You take in volumes ofinformation, films, movies,
taking notes, people take notes.
You take so many notes from allthe books you're reading.
You'll end up writing one, likeI did, which is the asian power
lead, which is a book that Iwrote on indigo river publishing
, which is an amazing story.
I want you people to check itout.
It is a novel and I wrote it onanother culture and it's about
(47:00):
a as gentleman.
It's fictitious, but it issuspense.
It is a fun book and it hassome principles in there about
humanity, about ethics, aboutmoneymaking.
And it's small, it's a fast,short read and it's online at
theasianpowerleaguecom.
Pick it up.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I love it.
No, that is so perfect, and Iwant you to talk about that some
more here in a second.
The last part of the questionsthat I want to ask you and then
ask you.
What I missed is your health.
You know they say that theaverage Black man lives to 72
years old is what our average is, and it's because of some of
our diet, it's because of theway that we go through life.
(47:41):
What are some things that youdo to make sure you're going to
be around here for a little bit?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Well, funny enough, I walk a mile to three miles
every single day.
I make sure I get my 100push-ups in every day.
Every day you got to keepmoving, you know, especially for
my brothers and sisters thatare over 30 years old.
At 30, 30 guarantees 30 sets instone your 40s, with the
(48:08):
exception of genetics andenvironmental causality.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
If you're living in a space that's more prone to has
cancerous conditions or you'rein an
Speaker 1 (48:18):
unhealthy work, environment, occupational
hazards, and then in your 50s,you know, based on genetics.
You got to put your life in topreserving your life.
People just are working everyday and they're not in the
preservation of health.
The best defense is a goodoffense.
So you have to be proactive inprotecting yourself.
Preventive measures, thosedoctor's visits I practice it
(48:41):
seriously.
I go at my doctors the way I goat a good menu.
Or if you had a million dollarsand went on a shopping spree,
if you were going on an amazingvacation.
You're buying that card.
That's the way you have totreat the health thing.
You got to look at it like a lacarte entree.
I want the best of everything.
You want the best chef.
Look for the best doctors,build relationships with them.
(49:01):
Don't just go on and let thedoctor tell you everything.
Ask them a million questions,follow up, get in that portal,
challenge your insurancecompanies, your health insurance
companies.
See what benefits you have.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, told me.
He says I need you to take it'spre-diabetes, I need you to
take metformin.
I said this is a carcinogenicthat I've read about.
That's not going to my body.
Well, it's been a wonder drugfor some people.
I'm like well, it's not goingto be a wonder drug for me.
(49:31):
If you want me, if you're goingto keep telling me to take this
drug that I know is going tohurt me, then our relationship
is over, because there's a wholelot of doctors out here that I
can talk to.
They're going to give me theright path, and you're just
trying to put a bandaid onsomething because you don't know
me.
We just met, you know to be ableto say I appreciate that you
(49:55):
saying that, Well, we had aboutsix or seven more minutes left.
What did I not talk about that?
You want to make sure that wetalk about that.
You know, I want to know thethings you're doing and get
websites and all the things andhow to get access to stuff.
So I want you to tell us that.
But I, if there's something Ididn't talk about, that I wanted
you to uh, this has been so fun.
I'm not loving this great.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
So, yeah, I'm honored to be here.
I mean the work that you'redoing.
You know that people don't knowfor you viewers and listeners
who are listening to thispodcast.
This man is out there in thecommunity.
I've watched him get verballyattacked and people giving him a
hard time when he comes to townhall meetings or empowers other
(50:34):
politicians.
He teaches differently.
You know, doc, the way you haveso many different platforms and
the way you connect with people.
I think it's amazing you havesuperstars that come on this.
I honored to be here.
You have some of the most uh,famous recording artists,
thought leaders, teachers, moviestars, so I'm honored to be
here.
Um I, as my work continues, I'vealways said I want to die
(50:55):
greater than I've lived.
Um, I have a lot of things thatI teach and share.
I have a foundation called thebook bank institute, which is a
part of the book bank foundationand um.
You can learn more about thebook bank foundation at the
bbforg or thebookbankfoundationorg, and it is
(51:17):
a not-for-profit foundationthat's been around for over
close to 30 years 29 years,going on 30 and it is a literacy
foundation.
We are educating people,helping the lost, the lonely and
the forgotten, using platformsand using different modalities
to guide and help people and, Ithink, lastly, my profit
(51:38):
business, which is teachingwealth principles as we consult
the wealthy, the wise and peoplewho are moving forward in all
types of space.
So that is Dr Glenn Tobey,g-l-e-n-n-t-o-b-ycom, and I'm,
on all things, social as GlennTobey, g-l-e-n-n-t-o-b-y or Dr
(52:00):
the same.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I love it.
I love it so we can get a holdof you.
Give me something as we beginto close, because I love where
you just came out of your mindand you came, but give us
something that could inspire usto move forward and stop us from
just thinking, overthinking,about all the things that could
happen, that all the things thatwe decide in our mind, that we
(52:26):
try to control, that probablywill never happen and yet we
stop from doing the mostimportant thing, like you said,
relationships.
You know the most importantthing with being around you know
, I guess, relationship beingaround the right people, you
know, following the rightpathway.
So give us something.
You know, a couple of minutesof just your thought process.
Open up and just hit us withsomething amazing.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Well, you know, doc, you said something about you
know, people wanting success,living in other communities,
buying in other communities,wanting your kids to go to
different schools, the trialsand channels on a spiritual
level, if it's a worship house,if it's a synagogue or a church
or a masjid that you go to, or atemple, or if it's family
(53:08):
gatherings, other people.
You work with partners.
You guys are making a ton ofmoney, you have an amazing
relationship that's thriving andworking with your children,
your girlfriend, your wife orwhatever.
You need to have a holisticspace that you house your
universe, your thoughts.
Where do you put your prayersand your pain?
You need to have a place ofsolace.
You need to have a shrine, athrone of your own.
(53:30):
Take a moment if you can't findit every day.
Take a second if you can't findit every second.
And what I generally do, I tunein because I'm playing on
something called the GlobalDance Party on Freshest FM every
Saturday night, and I play themost amazing music R&B, soul,
(53:50):
hip-hop, classics and you knowwhat I'm playing music, the gift
of song.
I take a minute out playingmusic for people to listen to,
and I think the gift of song isa good place to be.
Some of you might like readingbooks, some of you might like
taking a quiet walk, playingsports, even if it's just, you
(54:10):
know, meditating and being quiet.
Heal yourselves.
People, house your soul, pullyour spirit and put it in
something that is sanctimonious,that is protected, that has
measure, that you rule and rideby.
And I invite you to join me onSaturday nights on Freshest FM.
Google it, it's on everyplatform, freshestfmcom.
(54:32):
Or go to theglobaldancepartycom, check me out.
I'm playing music to healmyself.
You know you reach back andhear the music of the ancestors,
the vibration of the universe.
Heal yourselves not throughmusic, but through meditation,
music and modalities for themission of the Most High God
that he wants us to bepurpose-filled, wow.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well, there you have it, dr Glenn Tobey.
Thank you for being on the show.
Thank you for sharing theseinsights.
I hope, as you're listening,you're going to go back and
watch this.
This is not one of thosepodcasts where you can go oh, I
think I got everything, becauseI promise you, after the third
time you're listening to this,you're going to go oh, that's
what he was talking about, oh,that's what he said.
(55:15):
And so hit the subscribe button, hit the notification button.
I try to bring you the best ofthe best.
Folks that are moving forward,folks that are taking their
lives and saying I want my lifenot to be what it is, just for
me, but I want to influenceothers in a way that's going to
make their lives better as well.
And if we do that together, wedo that enough.
(55:38):
We are going to change livesfrom people all over the world.
We're going to changecommunities.
We're going to end up beingcoming to people that we've
dreamed of being our whole lives, and so you're a part of it.
I can't wait to talk to you.
I can't wait to haveconversations, because we need
to get into these deepconversations, because we don't
spend enough time talking aboutthe things that truly matter,
and I think today, dr Toby, wedid that together, you and I,
(56:02):
and it was phenomenal, and sothank you for being part of this
podcast.
I believe you're God's greatestgift.
He loves you, if you allow himto, and I can't wait to see you
on the next one that we do.
You guys have an amazing,incredible day.
Talk to you soon.
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