Ellen Burgan - Confidence and Joy Coaching

Episode Transcript

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SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Welcome to the Joy Felicity Podcast.
I'm your host, Laura Wakefield,and it's my privilege today to
have Ellen Bergen on the show.
I met Ellen originally onInstagram, and she, on her bio,
says she is a confidence and joycoach and a fearless living
coach.
So, of course, anyone who knowsme knows that that resonated

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with me immediately, and I haveso enjoyed getting to know Ellen
online and have been I'm veryexcited to meet her kind of in
person a little bit morepersonally today.
So welcome, Ellen.
Thank you so much for beinghere.

SPEAKER_01 (00:49):
Thank you, Laura.
And I have to tell you, as soonas I saw Joy Felicity, I'm like,
oh, I need to get to know her.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
there's just people.
This is one thing I love aboutsocial media is that you have a
chance to meet like-mindedpeople that you don't live
close.
Maybe you would never have hadan opportunity to meet them
otherwise.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
Right.
Yeah.
That's the joy of social media.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14):
Exactly.
So, Ellen, I have found in myexperience that most people that
get into coaching feel a senseof almost a sort of calling to
coaching.
Is that true for you?
How did you get into confidenceand joy and fearless living
coaching?

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
Absolutely.
It needs to be somewhat of acalling.
Otherwise, it's going to bepretty tough to enjoy coaching.
I started out by when I turned50, I just kind of didn't have
fulfillment, get any fulfillmentfor my job anymore.
And so I started just kind oflooking into different options

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and taking action and trying tofigure out what did work for me
or, you know, I had really noidea what I wanted to do.
I just knew what I didn't wantto do anymore.
And so eventually it took me tobinge watching a podcast about

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life coaching, because I didn'teven know what life coaching
was, but someone had mentionedit to me.
And long story short, within amonth, I was on a flight to
California to start my one yearlife coach training program.

SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
And

SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
yeah, I haven't looked back.

SPEAKER_00 (02:35):
Well, see that I get so excited when I hear stories
like this, because there issomething about 50 that that
feels a little bit jarring, Ithink sometimes, you know, like
you turn 50 and suddenly yourealize, oh, you know, if I
don't get on with the thingsthat I really want from life, if

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not now, then when, you know?
Exactly.
So you just jumped right in andwent for that.

SPEAKER_01 (03:04):
Well, it sounds like I jumped right in and went for
that, but it was really aprocess, you know, a several
years process, to be honest,because I Like I said, I didn't
know what I wanted to do and itdidn't magically come to me.
I had to try different things.
And I think the biggest thingthat I did was start a blog.

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And I always knew that blog wastaking me down a path where it
was taking me.
I had no idea, but I knew it wastaking me somewhere.
So I just let the process playout and kind of, you know, like
they say, enjoy the journey.
And I really believe that.
that that is the key to enjoyinglife is enjoy the journey or the

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process of getting to whereveryou want to go or wherever you
might want to go.

SPEAKER_00 (03:53):
And that can feel very scary sometimes to start
walking without knowing yourultimate destination.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (04:02):
it can be very scary because it's definitely taking
steps out of the comfort zone.
And of course, when we do that,it feels uncomfortable and scary
and fear is there trying to, youknow, make us doubt ourselves
and trying to tell us we're notgood enough.
And then we start comparingourselves to others and yeah,

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it's the whole, the way fearmakes us think and behave and
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
Absolutely, and you know, you look at little kids
and I have found most kids, Actkind of fearlessly.
If they want something, theysay, I want that.
If they feel something, they'repretty open about their
feelings.
And then something starts toclose us off and you hit
midlife.
And most of us have this bigwall of fear up around us.

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Can you speak to that?
Where does all that fear comefrom?

SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
Well, Our fear really starts when we're born,
when we're small children, iswhen we really start to build
that core fear about who we are,when we realize that there's a
whole world out there and how,you know, just through our

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experiences.
And as we grow and become adultsand our fear doesn't grow with
us because fear never forgets.
It always remembers, forinstance, that time that someone
laughed at you as a child orthat time that you were put down

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or even like, I know people usedto say when I was by my mom,
when I was a little girl, oh, isshe shy?
And so I thought I was shy.
I identified with that becausethat's what everybody said.
So even though As we grow, webecome a different person that

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can handle more as an adultemotionally.
Our fear doesn't realize that.
It still wants to treat us likethat child who doesn't want to
feel embarrassed or feeldisappointed.
And so it sticks with us.
And we have to really uncoverhow that is still having a grip

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on us so we can...
choose to retrain our brain tothink differently so we can
behave differently.
But really, it's a consciouseffort to become aware of how
fear is making us behave so wecan choose something different.

SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
I love that.
It's so fascinating to me andsad and frustrating, too, that
you can have 30 positivecomments and But that one
negative one will be the onethat sticks and seems to have
the most impact up here.

SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
Isn't that funny how we remember that one thing, even
though probably nobody elseremembers, you know, if we did
10 things good and one thing'sbad, nobody else is going to
remember that one thing.
But oh, yes, we do.
And that's that's our fear,putting us on alert, like, see,
I told you, you shouldn't bedoing this stuff that's out of
your comfort zone.
Now, you know, it's telling usto get back into our comfort

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zone.
And but like I said, we're grownadults, we can handle that.
You know, things not going asplanned, whether you call it
mistakes or failure, we canlearn from them and make
ourselves stronger because ofit.
But yet fear, of course, doesn'tlike that.
It just wants us to go rightback into that comfort zone,

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which I should mention, youknow, that word comfort zone is
really important.
misleading because sometimesthere's nothing comfortable
about it.
Right.
It's just what we're familiarwith.
It should be called the familiarzone.
I love that.
Actually, I love

SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
that.
Right.
Sometimes that's actually, wekeep ourselves in the least
comfortable place because atleast we know what this feels
like and what this looks like.

SPEAKER_01 (08:11):
Exactly.
And you can take that to extremelike domestic abuse.
There's nothing comfortableabout that.
But if it's part of your life,yeah, your fear is knows how to
react to that and your EP knowswhat to expect.
But yeah, whether we want tostay there or not, that that's a
choice.

SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
And we do have that choice to make a different
choice.
about how we're going to show upfor situations.
But that can become really hardto believe within yourself
because I found in my own lifeand in some of my coaching
clients' lives that once youhave a very deep-seated belief,

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you almost start to createcircumstances around you as you
go forward in your life thatconfirm what you already think.
And so the more confirmationsyou have on that, the more you
get stuck in that belief system.
Have you found that to be true?

SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
Absolutely, yes.
We look for, we really, likefear makes up lies in our heads.
So all these thoughts arereally, if you really look at
them, you know, like, oh, Ican't speak very well in public
or I can't speak up very well inmeetings.
Well, is that really true?

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You know, look at that.
Have you ever spoke up?
You know, when you really diginto these questions thoughts
that we have that aren'tcomplimentary to ourselves.
Most of them are lies that arekind of made up in our head.
And yes, once we shine a lighton those untruths, yes, then we

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can change them.
But until we're really awarethat, wait a minute, these
aren't true.
Yeah, we are going to just tryto find more evidence that they
are true.
And that way we'll stay in ourcomfort zone and won't have to
step out where it's a little bitscary or a lot scary.
But that also means that ourdreams and goals that are

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outside of that comfort zone,that we don't get to have those
in our life either.

SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
But people will sometimes choose that.
Like you said, like they'll stayin a really toxic relationship
because they just don't knowwhat it will feel like over
there.
At least this is somethingfamiliar.
And the other thing that I'vefound is not only do we send
negative messages to ourselves,but we'll project out and
suddenly become mind readers.

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Like we know what everybody elseis thinking too.
Because I have this insecurity.
I know that that person isthinking this.
And that's completely imaginary.
Unless they've said that to you,you have no idea what they're
thinking.

SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
Exactly.
And likely, they're not eventhinking about you.

SPEAKER_00 (10:53):
They're thinking about themselves.
Well, that's very true.
Because they've got their ownlittle set of fears and
insecurities that's wrappedaround their life.
So...
How do we get stuck in this inthe first place?
Like you said, you know, itstarts when we're young and kind
of goes along and we findourselves in this place.

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Or I should actually say, oncewe find ourselves stuck, what's
our first step to gettingunstuck?

SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Awareness is the first step because when we kind
of live on autopilot, just goday to day doing the same things
that we've always done, we haveno idea how of the effect that
fear is having on our life.
So until we do some work anduncover those patterns that fear

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has us in that is not serving uswell, we can't do anything
different.
We're not even aware that it'sholding us back.
So awareness is the mostimportant part first step
because once you're aware ofreally how it's it's affecting

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you and holding you back thenyou can um you know number one
retrain your brain to thinkdifferently and make different
choices make conscious choicesinstead of living on autopilot

SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
Exactly.
I love that.
And sometimes once we reallyunpack that, the fear is not as
big and scary as we thought thatit was.
Like I was telling you before wecame on that when I was thinking
about starting this podcastabout two years ago, it just
never got going.
And I finally one day did justwhat you're saying.

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And I sat down and thought,okay, what exactly is going on?
what are you afraid of?
I'm not really afraid ofpodcasting.
I'm not really afraid of beingon camera.
I'm not afraid of the big stuff.
I wasn't really afraid of what Iwas honestly afraid of at the
core was that I didn't know howto use garage band.
I didn't know how to use, youknow, the movies.
I didn't know how to use thetechnology and that.

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So whenever I would look at mycomputer, I would just, I can't,
I can't think about that.
All this anxiety would come up,but it was so simple.
And this is embarrassing to say,but after a year of avoiding
GarageBand, I finally justcalled my son and said, hey, can
you show me how to do this?
It took about 15 minutes for himto show me how to do this thing

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that had been holding me up fromstarting my podcast for over a
year.
And that's kind of embarrassingconfession, but we do this to
ourselves.
It's we, we just, the anxietyfeels so big that we don't break
it down to realize it's actuallynot that big.

SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
Right.
And the more we think about thebigger it gets in our head.
And I love that you took onesmall step to And that is what
got the momentum going.
And that is all it takes is onesmall step.

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Because sometimes people think Ineed to start a podcast.
Okay.
But there's a lot of littlesteps that lead up to that big
thing that you want to do.
And by taking the littlesteps...
And this is what I really havemy clients focus on are these

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little steps.
I call them stretches becausethey're just a little stretch
outside of the comfort zone.
Because when you take the littlestretches, fear doesn't go on
high alert as if you were goingto take a big leap.
And so fear isn't pushingagainst you as hard, which makes
it easier.
And it also helps you gainmomentum.

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And that, so you, your fear saw,oh, well that's, I can do that.
So now what's the next step?
And you just kind of gainmomentum and you gain confidence
while you're, while you'retaking more steps and finding
out that you can do what fearhas been telling you is just not

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a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Love that.
I love that.
That phrase stretches.
Yeah.
Because it's so true.
Sometimes just getting started,just start anywhere.
I'll say that to people.
Where do I start?
Anywhere.
Just pick something, anythingthat doesn't feel as scary to
you and do that one thing.
And then you'll realize the skydidn't fall.

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It wasn't a disaster.
And even if I did mess it up,nothing horrible happened.
And

SPEAKER_01 (15:45):
you know what else I love about what you

SPEAKER_00 (15:46):
did, Joy?

SPEAKER_01 (15:47):
Joy.

SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
My middle name actually is Joy.
Oh, okay.
So yeah, anybody can call me Joyanytime.

SPEAKER_01 (15:57):
Laura,

SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
is

SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
that you also reached out for support from
your son.
And that is so huge.
Sometimes we just need a littleencouragement or a little help.
in some way from somebody else.
And that can really help us gainthe momentum that we need to.
So not only did you take a firststep, you reached out for help.

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So those are two huge factors ingetting to your goals and
dreams.

SPEAKER_00 (16:25):
I love that.
We have this phrase that getsthrown around a lot, imposter
syndrome.
And I think most of us encounterthat at some point in time.
And the cure for that in myexperience has been just get
over yourself.
Like you don't have to knoweverything.
You don't have to be perfect.
Nobody is.

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And there's a whole world outthere of people that have the
expertise that you don't havethat can help you.
There's YouTube, there'scoaches, there's help out there.
And the minute that we get overthis idea that we have to, you
know, know everything and beeverything and do everything
before we can take that firststep, just getting that out of

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the way is sometimes a hugebarrier that starts the process.

SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Right.
Perfection is not even a thing,but yet we think that we need to
be perfect sometimes.
And it's just, it's just nottrue.
Progress is nice.
Perfection is just unrealistic.

SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
Always.
Like, For everyone.
And that's hard to rememberbecause other people were only
seeing maybe their social mediapresence that's very curated and
seems perfect.
Right.
And sometimes that's pretty farfrom the truth.
Absolutely.
So on your website, I saw thatyou talk a lot about focusing on

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you.
And what is the resistance thatpeople tend to have to doing
that?
What do you need to overcomewith people for them to even
begin to focus on themselves?

SPEAKER_01 (17:59):
I think especially midlife women tend to think that
they need to prioritize otherpeople's needs over their own
always.
I don't know, maybe themthinking that they need to may
not have been the best wording,but it's what they tend to have
always done from the moment wehave those little children they

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become our our world and ofcourse you know a baby needs to
be right our world and sothere's times when we do need to
put others ahead of ourselvessuch as when you have small
children yet there's always waysto take a break and focus on

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yourself, whether you have ababy or whether you're in a big
career or whatever your lifesituation is, that you can
always take time for yourself.
Yet we tend to not do that.
We tend to just push ourselvesuntil we're completely depleted
and then we still try to keepgoing.

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And that's circling back toAsking for help.
How important it is.
To say.
I need a break.
If I can have.
30 minutes to myself.
I think I can come back.
And then I can.
Participate in the family again.

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With more of a joyful heart.
Or I can help you with a joyfulheart.
And it's just.
By taking time.
And thinking about yourself.
It just.
Helps.
Everybody in your life.
It makes you a better parent.
It makes you a better partner, abetter professional, a better
friend.
And we just need to take time todo it, which midlife women in

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particular tend to not do.

SPEAKER_00 (19:55):
Well, and I love what you just said in addressing
the question of, is this selfishfor me to do this?
Because when you do, you're ableto come back in a more present
and joyful way.
way for everybody else and ithink that once once people are
used to you being a certain wayit might take them by surprise

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at first when you start puttingyou know prioritizing yourself
some but once they see thatresult i think the people that
love you are going to reallyencourage that because it's
actually better for them too

SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
Right.
I heard this one time thatreally kind of resonated with me
is, would you have wanted yourmom to give, give, give so much
that she was unhappy?
Or so, you know, do you want togive that gift to your child
where you're truly happy and youcan show up as a mother?

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Yes.
As a happy, joyful individual.

SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
Well, I'm modeling for them.
So that maybe they can justavoid that whole stage
altogether and learn how to dothat right from the beginning.
What a gift to give to yourchildren and your coworkers and
anyone who's around you to seethat modeled by you.
A gift is

SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
such a good word

SPEAKER_00 (21:17):
for that.
Yes.
I love that.
So one of the quotes of yoursthat I found on Instagram that I
really loved, I'll say that Iwant to make sure I say it
right.
Cause this was just from yourpost today.
When fear meets action, it losespower.
Tell me more about that.

SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
Sure.
Well, it goes back to a lot ofwhat we were talking about,
about taking the small steps,because fear basically wants to
control you.
It wants to control what you dobecause it wants to keep you in
your comfort zone where it knowsit can keep you, quote, safe.

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And that's physically andemotionally safe.
So by taking those little steps,fear sees that we are able to
handle more and that the goal isto make our comfort zone really

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big.
So by taking those littlestretches consistently,
eventually they become part ofour comfort zone.
Love that.
Yes.
And that, that's how we, youknow, fear loses its grip on us.
When we take action, it seesthat we can handle more than we

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can when we were a little child.
And, and it just, feardiminishes.
And it doesn't, I wish it waslike a light switch where you
could just flip it and thenfear, you know, goes away.
Number one, we're human.
So we'll always have fear.
It's part of our brains.

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And we wouldn't be able to stayalive without it.
You know, we don't want to walkinto traffic or go down a dark
alley at night.
So we do need our fear.
But what we can do is we can,reduce the frequency that we're
triggered and we can reduce theintensity of how much we're

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triggered or how much we allowfear to control us.
We reduce, you know, how long itmakes us maybe think negative
self-talk or doubt ourselves,compare ourselves and reduce
that intensity because withtools, you can learn to reduce

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all of that and get back tofeeling confident and going
after your goals much morequickly.

SPEAKER_00 (23:55):
Well, and I like what you said that fear is
trying to keep us safe becausesometimes I think we see what
certain emotions as negativefear, anger, those are like
these horrible emotions tryingto hurt us, but actually usually
they come into our lives in aneffort in some way to help us.
It just becomes a little offkilter and they go a little bit,

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they get too big.
But generally fears are, theability to feel fear was put
into our bodies to protect us.
So I love how you said that,that you just need to convince
it that, hey, I'm okay.
I'm good.
I don't need you to do that somuch.

SPEAKER_01 (24:36):
And to take that just a step further, fear can be
our friend.
Because when we start, forexample, doubting ourselves or
having negative self-talk, oncewe become aware that fear is
causing those thoughts, then wecan go, oh, that's fear talking.
That's not true.

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a real reflection of mycapabilities.
And then you can refocus andfocus on your strengths and
decide truly what is the truthand move forward from that point
rather than moving forward froma place of fear.
I

SPEAKER_00 (25:16):
love that because I liked another one of your
quotes, don't let self-doubtmake you fail before you even
try.
And we so often do that.
We just sit there paralyzed.
It's very paralyzing.

SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
Very.
Yes.
Like wanting to start a podcastfor you here.
And

SPEAKER_00 (25:35):
when it really came down to it, it was so easy to
solve those things that wereholding me up.
There was a couple of otherthings, but primarily it was
something that ultimately tookme 15 minutes to solve.
And it's so silly, but we dothose sorts of things.
So you have, I saw on yourwebsite, if people are

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interested, a way to sign up fora free e-guide, 10 tips to grow
your joy.
And I love that because it'ssuper, super concrete.
And I won't ask you to sharethat because they need to go to
your website and sign up foryour e-guide.
E-Guide, before I continue here,I have another question for you.
But tell everybody how they canfind you.

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How do they find your coaching?
And, you know, how do theyconnect with Ellen Bergen?

SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
Well, my website, it's a little long, but it's
simple.
It's ifitbringsyoujoy.com.
And also on Instagram, I'm EllenBergen underscore coach.
I

SPEAKER_00 (26:39):
love that.
And I will put those links inthe description for this video.
But what is, if you were to sayone simple thing, like a very
concrete, simple thing thatsomebody can do right now today
to start them on a path towardgreater joy in their life, do

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you have, you know, just asimple tip?

SPEAKER_01 (27:02):
Do the thing.

SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
Okay,

SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
elaborate on that.
I love that.
That thing that you always wantto do, just take a step toward
that.
If it's not one small step, takeone small step toward doing the
thing that you can't stopthinking about.
Because there's a reason youcan't stop thinking about it.

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It's meant for you.
It's calling for you.
It might be a passion that canhelp bring joy to your life.
Go for it.
Take one small step today.

SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
And you have no idea when you do that who you might
inspire to do the same.
You know, and if you're beingcalled to it, there's something
in your body and your mind andyour soul that needs that thing.
Or sometimes it might be thatyou need to be an influence for

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somebody else, right?

SPEAKER_01 (28:02):
Right.
We all are connected, really.
And we all inspire each otherand encourage each other.
And it's really important tohave that circle of support,
too, where you are withlike-minded people, where you
can inspire people.
And yeah, your actions,especially like with acts of

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kindness, that's, I think, thebest.
easiest place to see the rippleeffect.
If I do something for you,you're more likely to do an act
of kindness for somebody else.
And the people who see, whowitness these acts of kindness,
they're gonna walk away feelingbetter and they're more likely
to do something for people thatthey come in contact with that

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day to be kind.
So yes, what we do reallyaffects, it has a ripple effect
no matter what we do.
And if we show up cranky, that'salso going to have a ripple
effect.

SPEAKER_00 (29:00):
A hundred percent.
Yes, absolutely.
And when I think, I try to thinksometimes what kind of impact do
I want to have when I walk intoa room and what do I want to
leave with people when I walkback out of it?
You know, you don't, we all knowthose people that walk into the
room and it just, the entire,the entire mood of the room goes
down.
And then there's those peoplethat, that come into a room and

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just light it And we get drawnto those people.
We want those people in ourlives.
And I would rather be one ofthose people than the people
that everybody, you know, theEeyore that everybody is like,
oh, here she comes again.
And the only way to do that isto take care of me.

SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
Right.
And I think we each have our ownlight that we can shine, that we
can choose to shine.
Some people choose not to.
But when I choose to shine mylight and we get together and
you're shining your light, thatmakes it double as bright.
And so if we all just shine ourlight, we have more effect
together.

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then I think one person shiningtheir light has more effect than
100 people who are dimmingtheirs.
Now I have no proof of that, butI think it's so true from
experience.

SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
Absolutely.
It's sort of like a match thatcan light a bunch of candles.
You know, it doesn't diminishthe match.
Exactly.
You can share this so liberally.
And it actually tends toincrease it for yourself as
well, because then you'resurrounding yourself with other
people that have a lot of lightas well.
I love that.
There's never too much of that.
So on your website, you havemore than one different coaching

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program that people can sign upfor, right?
I saw one called Boot Camp.
Tell me just real briefly aboutyour different coaching
programs.

SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Sure.
I have two of them.
One is a six session and one isan 11 session.
And then they have the option togo into a maintenance program.
But the six session boot camp isreally to give you the nitty
gritty details to get anunderstanding of how fear is
making you behave and differentpatterns that we all tend to

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have in our life that we alltend to have.
unconsciously or live it onautopilot.
So we bring awareness to that.
And I give tools for how tohandle each one of those.
And it really is for the personwho is ready to do the inner

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work.
I use audios and videos.
And so those are only 10 to 20minutes long.
week, but then I have you doingdifferent tools also.
So really it takes probably, ohgosh, I don't know, 10 to 30
minutes a day, depending on theperson, but they really have to

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be ready to do the work and wantto grow their confidence.
And honestly, they get so muchmore than confidence out of it.
We hit on so many differentissues, but for sure, they're
going to get a boost in theirconfidence and it gives them
habits.
Excuse my dog.
She just like snorted, but Ilove dog.

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She's my assistant right herewith me.
But really it, it just helps youget some solid foundation for
your, habits that you can takeforward into your life and to
eventually get these things intoyour comfort zone so your
comfort zone stretches and youcan more easily go after your

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goals and dreams and it's soit's a lifelong change that you
get if you're willing to do thework

SPEAKER_00 (32:45):
absolutely absolutely and it is really
remarkable if you can turnaround your confidence and begin
to approach life from a place ofjoy, everything starts to change
out in front of you.
Like that is the foundation foreverything else, really, for all
the other changes you want tomake.

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So if you can tackle that first,then the rest will just come so
much more easily.

SPEAKER_01 (33:11):
Yes.
Then it just, it feels likeyou're flowing rather than
trying to swim upstream.

SPEAKER_00 (33:17):
Absolutely.
Ellen, thank you so much forbeing willing to come on the
show today.
I love your philosophy aboutlife.
And I just want to telleverybody that if you go to
Ellen's website, there's allkinds of testimonials on there.
And I think you can tell justfrom meeting her today that she
has a very calming spirit andwould be wonderful to work with

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as a coach.
So thank you very, very much forbeing my guest today.

SPEAKER_01 (33:41):
Thank you, Laura.
It was my honor.

SPEAKER_00 (33:44):
Have a great day, everybody.
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And remember, dare to dream,plan to play, live to learn.