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December 20, 2024 47 mins

Unlock the secrets to holistic healing with us as we promise to reveal the transformative power of cutting-edge therapies like neural therapy, prolotherapy, and ozone therapy at K6 Wellness Revolution. Join Elena and Sharon on a journey through innovative treatments that promise not only physical relief but also unexpected emotional release, addressing both body and mind. Discover how neural therapy uses procaine injections to reset the autonomic nervous system, tackling interference fields such as scar tissue and inflammation, and offering a new lease on life for those grappling with autoimmune symptoms and emotional trauma.

Explore the fascinating potential of ozone therapy, renowned for its antimicrobial properties and its role in various medical fields, from dentistry to anti-aging. Sharon shares personal anecdotes highlighting the comfort and effectiveness of these minimally invasive treatments, enhanced by numbing agents like procaine. Whether you're dealing with chronic infections, poor circulation, or sinus issues, learn how ozone therapy can improve your well-being, offering surprising benefits even in unexpected areas like gangrene.

Finally, we dive into the world of advanced pain management strategies, utilizing therapies like perineural injection therapy with dextrose and the Frankenhauser protocol. Tailored to individual health goals, these treatments provide hope for those suffering from chronic pain, autoimmune conditions, and athletic injuries. Listen as we discuss the importance of personalized treatment plans, patient feedback, and the evolving landscape of pain management at K6 Wellness. From pelvic pain to post-surgical recovery, these therapies offer new possibilities for healing, all grounded in a comprehensive understanding of health and wellness.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to K6 Wellness Revolution, where we
believe health is worth fightingfor.
This podcast focuses on allthings related to natural health
, wellness and vibrant living.
We know your time is valuableand I'm honored that you're
spending some of it here.
So get ready because thewellness revolution starts right
now.
Because the wellness revolutionstarts right now.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to the K6 Wellness Revolution podcast.
My name is Elena, one of thepractitioners at K6 Wellness
Center in Dallas, Texas, andI'll be your host as we discuss
all things health and wellness.
On today's episode, we will betaking a deep dive into some of
our new services we are offeringhere at K6, which are neural
therapy, prolotherapy and ozone.

(00:48):
But what is neural therapy?
How does ozone work?
What makes prolotherapydifferent from neural therapy?
Well, we're going to beanswering all these questions
and so much more, so let's jumpin.
Hello Sharon, Hello Elena, I amexcited to kind of get schooled
here on all things neuraltherapy, prolotherapy, ozone

(01:10):
because I've been on thereceiving end quite a bit but,
as I have even told my clients,there's very little I know about
it.
So I'm here to learn just asmuch as our listeners are.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes, you have been my very willing participant.
Human pincushion crash testdummy all of the things For the
last year and a half two yearsalmost that we've been kind of
getting ready to get this going.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes, well, let's just go ahead and start with.
The most basic question thatI've already been asked a lot by
clients is what is neurotherapyand why did you decide to bring
it to K-6?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, that's a good that is a good starting point,
and I think it depends on,really, who you're talking to as
to what definition they'regoing to give you for what their
neurotherapy is definitionthey're going to give you for
what their neural therapy is.
But it's one of the it's, it'sa way to help reset the

(02:14):
autonomic nervous system.
Okay, and what we do is we'reusing injections, mainly
subcutaneous, but some of them,many of them, can be
intramuscular or deeperinjections, and what we're doing
is we're injecting into certainplaces, depending on what our
project is.
We're injecting somethingcalled procaine, and procaine is
a local anesthetic, likelidocaine or novocaine.

(02:36):
It's in the cane family andwe're using that to kind of help
reboot a certain area of thebody.
So the autonomic nervous systemas it relates to certain organs
, tissues, glands, and one ofthe main things that we want to
do is get rid of what's calledinterference fields, and

(02:59):
interference fields I mean itkind of sounds like what it is
Like if you think about footballand we say, oh, that was
interference.
Well, somebody on the defensetried to block somebody on the
offense by, like, grabbing ahold of them and messing them up
right, like you can block it inthe air or whatever.
I'm not a football person but Ido know that that was good

(03:19):
enough.
Okay, good enough.
But with interference fields inour body, it could be scar
tissue, it could be an infection, it can be something else going
on right, like inflammationthat causes either an organ to
be inflamed or a gland to notfunction, or it can be, you know

(03:45):
, like.
I've had surgery in this areaand I have this keloid scar and
now I can't bend over orwhatever.
And C-section scars are a bigone that we see a lot of right.
And women talk about how, howhard it is to function normally,
whether it's enjoying sex orthey suffer low back pain or

(04:08):
they have some sort of pelvicfloor issues.
And when you see a C-sectionbeing done, it's like, yeah, no
wonder.
I mean it's barbaric the waythey pull your muscles apart.
But procaine is used to bothalleviate the pain because it's
an anesthetic, but it also actsas a catalyst for healing by

(04:31):
addressing interference fields,by helping to release the fascia
and helping to kind of notdissolve scars but break up the
inflammation that's below it,any area of the body where it's
disrupting normal physiologicalfunction.
So and again, interferencefields could be.

(04:54):
It could be from a car wrecklike whiplash.
It could be vaccine injectionsites for somebody.
They had a reaction.
It's not necessarily oh, youhave to have this huge scar that
goes end to end or side to side.
The size of the scar does notalways determine how much of an
interference field we have.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And it's not always just for pain, right, because it
could just be an area that youdeem needs the treatment.
But the person's living withautoimmune symptoms or just
chronic tension, right,absolutely.
And you tell me.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
No, that's exactly right.
So, and even emotional traumaright, oh, yes, that is.
One of the things that we see iswhen you're dealing with
certain areas of the body and Ihad it happen just recently
doing an injection for somebodywho had a cough and there's a
certain um neurotherapyinjection where we're going into

(05:54):
the infraspinatus muscle, whichis kind of in the back of the
shoulder, under kind of underthe arm, and you're not going
into the lung right.
It's not a deep shot, but thewoman started weeping
immediately and in my head Iwent, oh, we have an emotional
reaction and I didn't warn herthis can happen and and so we

(06:17):
had to talk through it.
Um, and I've had an emotionalreaction to some neurotherapy
shots that I had in and it'sit's almost reflexive because
it's kind of a joke that I amthe ice queen.
I don't cry.
That's not true, but there wasa point in time where I didn't,
but I I'm not.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
It's healthy to cry.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
And I know that and I tell I, you know, raised four
daughters and.
I tell them all the time goahead and cry.
It won't do a darn thing to fixthe situation, but you will
feel better.
You've got to get it out, andcrying is oftentimes an
expression of emotion.
It's not an emotion, it's anexpression of emotion.
My husband will laugh so hardhe cries but it's all happy.

(07:02):
Um, and some people cry fromanger, some people cry from pain
, but crying is a show ofemotion.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I know I've experienced it.
I've had an emotional releaseand when I did I didn't even
feel a particular emotion, Ijust needed to cry.
It's weird, but it's it's good.
You feel better and you knowthis is in relation to the
injections, but also, hey, justin life in general, cry it out.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, and I think also as we look at this
holistically and from anaturopathic standpoint, we talk
about emotions being seeded orrooted in certain areas of the
body and, like anger, is in theliver and you could have a ragey
moment.
You know, you could have thosecriminal, murderous thoughts for

(07:52):
, for whatever, what justice notnot performed, or a betrayal,
or um, I don't know.
It could be anything Right, um,and sometimes neurotherapy
allows it to come to the surface.
Almost it's like it brings itto your conscious awareness,
because it's not that you haveto go get justice or that you

(08:14):
have to get revenge or you haveto start all over with the
grieving process in the case ofsadness, but sometimes it's just
allowing the body on aconscious level to go okay, yeah
, that happened and we'redealing with it, and it passes
on through and it gives the bodymore room to heal, both

(08:35):
emotionally and physically.
So, yeah, just being able toacknowledge things right.
That's why sometimes, whenpeople can't admit when they've
done wrong, that's the biggerproblem.
It's not being wrong, that'sthe problem.
It's the fact that you can'tadmit it.
And there's something so freeingand being less than perfect.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, just being able to release it.
So releasing on a physical,well, an emotional level because
of this physical injection andit just I love that it actually
promotes long-term healing.
You don't just get thatmomentary relief right, actually
get that long-term aspect of itand that I know a lot of us are
chasing for various reasons.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know that brings up a good point.
Procaine itself only has a 20minute half-life in your system,
so the anesthetic part of itmay only last 20 minutes, but
the reset that it performs right, the release of scar tissue,
the, the correction of aninterference field that has

(09:40):
ongoing and long-term results,and that's more of what we're
after.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, no, it's just so exciting.
But what motivated you toincorporate injections into the
practice and how is it going toenhance our clients' healing?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's okay.
So I, being a naturopath, loveeverything that's out of the box
.
I live out of the box in everysense of the word.
Nothing about my life yeah,there is no box.
It got shredded a long time ago.
Nothing about my life is normal.

(10:20):
What really took me here, Ithink, was a trip to Switzerland
.
What really took me here, Ithink, was a trip to Switzerland
, and it had a lot to do withlearning about thermography from
the German biological doctorsin Switzerland and learning
about neural therapy, and itjust really sparked something in

(10:40):
me, because things that aremaybe easier to access but have
a broad application, I'm allabout that.
Whether it's a food, a tool, apractice, I want something that
has broad application and isaccessible, and there are a lot
of things that they do in Europethat we don't really do here or

(11:04):
you can't access, but neuraltherapy is something that is
done here In some form orfashion.
Many people do it.
So when I saw neural therapyand then I started reading up on
it and one of my favoritedoctors was talking to me about
it, I was like this so cool andwe need this tool, because if

(11:27):
you just look at pain, you knowlike people come in with chronic
pain, and I've been there.
I've I've been at that pointwhere you put your feet on the
floor and stand up andeverything hurts from the bottom
of your feet to the top of yourhead.
That's a horrible feeling.
Or you have this chronic jointissue that you just, no matter

(11:48):
how many massages, how muchibuprofen, how many chiropractic
adjustments you go and you get,it doesn't ever resolve.
And neurotherapy is a tool.
It doesn't fix everything right, but it is a tool that is
really helpful for unwinding alot of the entanglements that we

(12:09):
end up with over time throughtoxic exposures, through traumas
, through sickness, throughsurgeries just living.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
And I like that you said unwind, because that
actually is what it feels like,that really is.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, absolutely, that actually is what it feels
like.
That really is.
Yeah, absolutely.
So.
Neural therapy really piqued myinterest and then, in 2023, I
went and took my first class andimmediately started injecting.
It was like, oh yes, this isamazing.

(12:43):
It was like, oh yes, this is,this is amazing.
And, honestly, like one of mydaughters who has the, she has
electro hypersensitivity and soshe is a very sensitive person
and she had an immediateautonomic reset from the
procaine and for her, it isdefinitely something that gets

(13:04):
her to the parasympathetic state, because she stays just a
little hypersensitive all thetime, and so it's been a really
valuable tool and I think it'staking her to a higher place of
function as well.
She does a lot of things andthis is yet a tool you know that
is is also very valuable forthat.

(13:24):
So, giving people somethingthat we can do to address, you
know, multiple issues but helpunwind, like you said, some of
the years of accumulation ofinflammation.
And then, how many times do youknow you meet people and you're
like man, do you ever get outof the operating room Because
they've had so many surgeries?

(13:45):
and all of those scars make adifference in your body.
So, yeah, that's a big big deal, but that's that's kind of what
motivated me was understandingthis.
This is something that isaccessible and applicable and
honestly, like low risk, highreward.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
And very affordable compared to all the other
injections out there.
I mean, this is so much moreaffordable.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Absolutely, and it enhances healing just by helping
to not just provide, in themoment, relief from pain, but it
goes back Like we're going back.
We're taking you back beforethe pain was so bad.
We're taking you back beforeorgan dysfunction was so severe.

(14:36):
So it is something that I thinkaccelerates the healing process
.
You know, it's not like we'vebeen doing this for decades and
decades here in our practice,but it definitely plays a role
in both mental and physicalhealth.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, and that's just the neural therapy.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
There's so much more than injections.
You know what else do youinject.
I love this next one.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, and in a lot of places I mean when I was taught
originally the procaine ismixed with homeopathics but you
can't get those in America rightnow because you know we're so
amazing.
But I mean, I love America.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's just nice to have some more options.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
And it's starting.
I'd like to have some freedomof choice in healthcare more so
than we do now.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
So come on RFK.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
But uh, I think that I think that, looking at all the
other things, yeah, we caninject ozone.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yes, that's the one I wanted to hear about.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, so ozone is?
It's used in the food industrya lot.
It's a disinfectant.
So people think of ozone that'sair pollution.
No, ozone is what kind of triesto correct air pollution.
And we see ozone used inhealthcare, in dentistry, a lot,

(16:05):
and it's also used for likeanti-aging, regenerative
medicine and I think it's usedin oncology some too.
Ozone is antimicrobial.
It will kill some bacteria,some viruses, some yeast or

(16:25):
fungal overgrowth.
It doesn't kill everything butit does have antimicrobial value
.
So if you have chronicinfections or you have even
inflammation right withoutinfection, ozone can be very
helpful because ozone relievesboth infection and inflammation.

(16:48):
And, like in dentistry, theyuse it sometimes to get like up
in the gums or where there'sanaerobic type stuff going on
and sometimes if you don't havea lot of blood flow to an area,
it's hard to access that right.
So if you're taking antibiotics, how are you going to really
get it into an area wherethere's not a lot of blood flow
and you don't have that drug in?

(17:10):
You know good, I mean, maybeyou do have the drug in systemic
circulation but it's not ableto access the area.
Well ozone gas can do that.
Or ozonated water, um, evenusing ozonated olive oil, as you
know, kind of like to put onthe gum line or on wounds.
Um, the way that we use ozone,the way that we use ozone, it's

(17:33):
so interesting.
You can inject it.
So here, what we may do, let'ssay one of the most common ones
we're doing is people's sinuses.
So you go in with a little bitof procaine in the sinus area,
whether it's subcutaneous andsuperficial, around the eyes or
one of them.
We go up through the.

(17:55):
It sounds awful but truly it'snot it's not, but we go in right
in front of your canines, upinto the maxillary sinus area
and inject a little bit ofprocaine and then we push a
little ozone gas behind it andit's funny because it kind of
poofs up your cheek a little bitbecause you do have that gas.
But that everyone who has hadthat has said wow, I can breathe

(18:20):
so well.
You're welcome, it is reallygood.
My husband being a moldinspector, he's constantly
exposed and we have a hugeroutine that we make him go
through.
You know, both with how hetakes off his, where he takes
off his clothes and what theyget washed in and how he does
his sinus rinse and showers.

(18:42):
And you know, just to protecthis health, because he had a
sinus infection turned intoviral meningitis when we were
but young babes, barely marrieda few years and you know we
didn't know what we didn't knowback then, but realizing he's
high risk, you know, and he hadmeningitis one other time and
it's that's no fun, and so Ihave, even though he has needle

(19:16):
trauma because he was him intotaking the injections for his
sinuses and he's just flooredwith how much better his
breathing is and how much moreeffective the sinus irrigations
are going for him, so it willhave ongoing value for him and
it's not something we do all thetime you know we don't have to
do it every day, and I want tojust add right there you know,

(19:40):
yes, this requires needles, andanybody who has heard me talk or
knows me well knows I do notlike needles.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Like I, really, I have a lot of PTSD with needles.
I hate them.
But I was intrigued enough totry this and I trust Sharon
enough to be like okay, I hatethis, but we're going to do it.
And the beautiful thing is,there's not very many other
things in life where, if youhave to get stuck, you get numb
too.
And that's what's just sopleasant about this experience

(20:09):
as pleasant as it can be is evenwhen you're doing the ozone,
there's a little procaine firstand the needles are not big.
So anyone who's hearing thisand gets queasy about needles,
just try to get past that so youcan absorb the information.
It's really worth it.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
And it's not traumatic, it's releasing, that,
yeah.
So what we hear more often thannot is oh, that wasn't nearly
as bad as I thought it was goingto be.
Everyone's just so pleasantlysurprised.
It's like that's it.
That's all it is, because we'renot piercing organs right,
we're going into spaces and it'sfairly painless.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
You're right.
It's not even as bad as ifyou've had dry needling where
you're going into trigger points.
I mean, that's a lot moredramatic than this we do have a
few trigger points.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I mean, that's a lot more dramatic than this.
We do have a few trigger points, of course, but that's not what
we're talking about, right?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
now, that's not the usual.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, yeah.
So the ozone definitely, youknow, has many applications,
even limb bagging, so for peoplewho have gangrene or ulcers and
poor circulation, like forvaricose veins and spider veins.
Now, this is not I don't thinkit's a CDC approved, you know.
But the whole idea in medicinein America is supposedly first,

(21:27):
do no harm, but you're not goingto harm anybody with ozone, and
that's one of the unless theylike, inhale it into the lungs,
which is a terrible idea.
Don't ever do that.
But that's not of the.
Unless they like inhale it intothe lungs, which is a terrible
idea.
Don't ever do that.
But that's not what we're doing.
So we even have specialsilicone bags that we can wrap
limbs up, whether it's a foot ora hand or a leg or whatever

(21:50):
part of the body, and it doesrequire that you go get the
treatment you know daily for thetime that it's needed.
But I mean, I've seen picturesof people saving limbs.
And so for people with diabetesespecially, you know that's a
micro circulation, microvascular disease, so your

(22:13):
circulation gets compromisedvery much.
So that's why you have so manyamputations with diabetes.
And so if we're able to improvecirculation or even save toes
and feet and fingers, that's abig, big deal.
That is yeah.
So ozone is really exciting.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, I love it.
And also affordable.
It is affordable, yeah.
So a lot of people I feel likehave heard about prolotherapy.
I know I had heard about thatone.
That's probably one of thefirst injection things that I
was aware of.
How is neural therapy differentfrom prolotherapy?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
So prolotherapy is mainly using a 5% dextrose
solution and we're really kindof limiting that to
musculoskeletal issues.
So joint pain like, oh, Ipulled a muscle, I have this
tendon or ligament issue, and sowe're going in and you're using

(23:14):
a very short needle.
These are all very short andlike a half inch needle.
So we're going in and you,you're using a very short needle
.
These are all very um short andlike a half inch needle.
So we're not going very deepand we're looking to reset the
nerves that innervate differentmuscles.
So what the dextrose does is itkind of acts like an irritation
right to an area.
Well, that's going to bring theimmune system in to go okay,

(23:37):
we're here, what do we do?
We got to fix this.
It's a refocus and this ismainly something we do by feel
because, again, we're not doingdeep injections.
So if you came to me and yousaid, oh, my shoulder hurts,
well, I'm going to poke aroundand I'm going to see, well,
where does it hurt?
And I'm going to ask you isthere a movement or something
you do that that elicits thatpain?

(24:00):
Okay, demonstrate that for me.
How much, how bad is your painon a scale of zero to 10?
And then we'll go through andwe'll do a few injections.
I like to follow that up withozone because, again, what does
ozone do?
It helps with inflammation.

(24:24):
So, after we do severalinjections, then I'll have the
person redo the activity thatbrings about the pain and see
how we decrease the pain andthey may go.
Oh, I feel it here more now, oryou know it's, or, yes, it's
better.
So, and this is something we doon hips and shoulders and
elbows, and I mean you can do itin a lot of places, not just
joints, but that is a commonplace.
And again you're, you'reinjecting dextrose.

(24:46):
Now you can put procaine inwith it if they're in a lot of
pain, because, hello, that's,you know, a nice little vacation
from pain for just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's how I like it.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, so that's that's.
It's also called PIT orperineural injection therapy.
So it's, you know, but it'smore about dextrose and procaine
may or may not be there, andprocaine may or may not be there

(25:18):
.
We can also put in some vitaminB12, because B12 really helps
with joint pain.
So it's nice to add that littleinfusion in there If it helps
somebody with with joint pain alot.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
And even with this, you're you're bordering on some
trigger points or using sometrigger points, but I've had
this done before too, on sometrigger points or using some
trigger points, but I've hadthis done before too.
It's not that bad, it reallyisn't, it's pretty instantaneous
relief.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, and that's the one where you should walk out
feeling okay, this feels betterNow.
Dextrose, because it acts as anirritant.
It can intensify the pain for aday or two, but then the pain
should decrease, you know,pretty significantly.
And it may be a one and done andit may not be a one and done.

(26:02):
Most of the time people aregoing to need to have it
repeated.
But this is where there are noformulas, because we're all so
different.
We just have to, you know,listen to our patients and say
you know, let me know how you'refeeling, or let's check in,
send me an email in a week orwhatever, but we're always, you
know, here at K6 Wellness, weare always getting feedback.

(26:25):
It's like I want to know howyou're doing?
Tell me if we made progress andbecause maybe we need to
reassess, you know, maybe weneed to change it up a little
bit.
And it's not the only thingthat we do for pain.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
because you know we're doing all kinds of things.
We're working from the insideout.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, so dextrose super safe?
I know a question that I shouldhave asked you before because a
lot of people want to knowabout.
We're going back to the ozonereal quick.
You know a lot of people insistthat ozone is dangerous and you
kind of hinted on that a littlebit, you kind of commented on
that.
But you know, can you justexpound on that a little bit
more for our listeners?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Well, I mean, I'm not expert at ozone but ozone, yeah
, it gets people equate it withpollution.
But you know what I think of isyou know how it smells outside
after it's rained.
Yes, that's ozone.
Right, it's a beautiful, cleansmell.
Now, if you sniff that intoyour lungs, you're going to have

(27:30):
some serious problems becauseit will irritate your lungs.
But so oxygen gas that's in theair is an O2 molecule.
It's two molecules of oxygen.
Ozone is O3.
So it's three molecules ofoxygen.
It's very unstable.
It doesn't last very long.
So even when we're drawing upozone, we do it right when we're

(27:52):
going to inject, because it'sgoing to dissipate into the air.
That's not the natural statethat oxygen is going to be in,
but it does try to helpneutralize pollution.
And it's in our body.
Yeah, I don't understand allthe biochemistry of it, but it

(28:15):
does help to decreaseinflammation.
The only thing to me is, yeah,I don't get it in your
respiratory tract, but people doinsufflate it into their
sinuses.
We can put it in the ears forear pain, ear infections.
People do rectal insufflation,even vaginal or bladder
insufflation.
Now, we're not going to dotheal insufflation, even vaginal

(28:35):
or bladder insufflation.
Now, we're not going to do thebladder insufflation here at
this point in time.
But all that to say, you canput ozone in a lot of places in
the body.
We also don't put it deep inthe headspace, not really going
to put it around the brain.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Look at you know people have used um ozone IVs
for a long time.
And I would bet yeah, I wouldbet that a lot of our listeners
are familiar with that.
But that's going to bedifferent than this experience
as well, because when you'redoing it in the veins that, that
is powerful and potent.
But I know from my own personalexperience it was too strong,

(29:13):
it was too much.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, and I think that brings up a good point,
because I don't think I wouldhave had a detox reaction to
ozone after just a singleexposure.
But I know for me, during mytraining with ozone, we took a
lot of procaine and ozone in oneshort period of time because

(29:36):
part of your training is youhave to take every single shot.
So it's fair, you know, becausewe should know what we're doing
to people by receiving it, andI felt like I had spent three
days on a bender with cheaptequila.
I have never felt worse in mylife and I knew what was
happening when when it happenedand I took a lot of it in my

(30:00):
sinuses and around my sinusesand I wasn't congested.
If you ask me if I have sinusproblems, I would never say yes,
I'm, I don't.
I don't really get hay fever.
I sneeze every now and then,but I think I blew out 1975 that
night with my horrible detoxheadache and I was like I don't
even know what this stuff iscoming out of my nose.

(30:21):
And the next day I went toclass and I really felt like I
had been partying all night andI said I need drugs and I don't
even take drugs.
You ask Elena, like I'm notgoing to take I don't take
ibuprofen period, I'd never takeTylenol.
I was looking for anything.

(30:42):
It felt so bad and and actuallywhat took that away was an IV
push of procaine.
So we did a slow push of aboutfive cc's into my veins and my
headache went away and it didnot come back.
But that was definitely a detoxreaction.
But it was a whole lot at onetime, right?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
We're careful?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, we're careful, but some people like you, you
know you are more sensitive, soit's good to be aware of
everybody's different and it'sgood to start slow and low and
just build up.
And because if you your, yourresult is not going to parallel

(31:27):
how bad we make you feel.
The whole point is to not makeyou feel bad.
You don't have to feel worsebefore you feel better, and that
doesn't just apply to ozone orneural therapy.
That goes for anything thatyou're doing.
It should not require somehorrible Herxheimer um or
healing crisis in order to havebenefit.

(31:50):
That's sometimes.
That just means you push toohard.
I think people need to hearthat.
But binders are important too.
So if you're doing a lot, thenwe tell people you need to take
binders.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah Well, and that's where it is so important to
have someone who knows whatthey're doing.
And I can attest that you doknow what you're doing.
But how do you assess whichtreatment modality is going to
be most appropriate or importantfor that patient at that time?
You know, especially when we'retalking injections.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Well, definitely taking a really good health
history, Like I want to knowwhat's going on, how long has it
been happening?
What is this person?
What is the most limitingfactor of this person's health
right now?
Because, even though we dofunctional medicine, holistic
health, whatever you want tocall it we're all about figuring

(32:42):
out what started it all.
Right, we want to get to thecausal factors, but that doesn't
mean we ignore symptoms andneurotherapy.
Ozone prolo, it's not justsymptom management, but I do
want to use something that isgoing to give you the biggest
bang for your buck.
So if somebody comes to me, forinstance, and everything

(33:07):
they're complaining about isreproductive urinary, okay, I
know that this person is goingto be getting pelvic injections
of some sort, right.
If it's a person withautoimmune issues, which a lot
of our people do have, chronicillness or autoimmune problems
that either they just havedecided to live with or they're

(33:32):
suffering in exacerbation, thenwe're going to use a form of
neural therapy that really helpsto realign the immune system
with what's going on, and soeither a procaine push or
something called autoheme, wherewe mix procaine with the blood

(33:52):
and just do a intramuscularinjection in the body.
There's so many differentthings you can do and just to
kind of snap your fingers andget the systems attention.
You know, yeah, it is.
It's understanding what theperson is dealing with and what

(34:13):
their goals are for their health, and then we decide, okay,
let's do this.
Or, you know, if it's anathlete, then in there were, you
know they have an injury area.
Then we're going to definitelybe focusing.
I did one athlete and it wasfor one injury, but I couldn't
help but notice all the scarsaround that injury from

(34:33):
surgeries and stuff.
I was like we got to do allthese scars and and it did make
a difference, Like mobility wasincreased, you know, almost
immediately, and so that's goingto help with healing, you know
yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Well, I know that I've experienced more injections
by you than I ever thought I'dlet you do and I have lived to
tell about it.
We're so glad.
No, me too.
And I got to say I think thepelvic region injections have
been the most impactful for meAnyone who's listened to my
story a little bit.
I had a horse roll over theright side of my body when I was

(35:08):
17.
And then I had autoimmune andother things going on and
there's just been a lot ofinflammation in the pelvic
region for my entire adult life.
And when we did the pelvic one,I mean I just noticed so many
immediate results and I thinkit's the, the Frankenhauser am I
saying that right?
The Frankenhauser protocol.
It is a gnarly injection but soamazing.

(35:30):
So, sharon, could you explainmaybe that particular one and
any other specific protocolsthat you're, you know,
especially excited about?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
So Frankenhauser is, yeah, kind of legendary, right,
and I think it's because it'sthe needle so long.
Yeah, some people don't want toknow that, but we don't show
the needle.
But basically you're going intowhat we're dealing with with.
The.
Frankenhauser is dealing withanything in the pelvic bowl, so
that's going to be urinary.

(35:59):
For, for women it's going to beanything reproductive, like
women with endometriosis orchronic UTIs or what else, even
scars, scarring from, you nameit.

(36:23):
Surgery from trauma.
It can even be emotional trauma, like dyspareunia or painful
sex.
That could be one of theindications.
And so people with vaginaldischarge and it's like, well,
you don't have bacterialvaginosis, you don't have this,
you don't have that, but there'salways discharge, or even

(36:48):
headaches, migraines, traumaticbrain injury, low back pain, any
rectal pain, infertility,irregular periods.
And then for men, we do it forBPH, enlarged prostate,
constipation, diarrhea, lowsperm count, so fertility issues

(37:09):
with men as well.
And then even, you know, andmen, we don't think of men
having sexual trauma in theirhistory, but they do, and and
this is another indication.
And then again, low back pain,testicular infections, men get
UTIs, so bladder infections.
Basically, you name it, youname it.

(37:31):
And if it resides in below thebelly button.
That's kind of where we use the,the Frankenhausen or Hauser,
excuse me, and it's yeah, it is,it's a, it's a big shot, but
it's also something that isgoing to bring about, um, a big

(37:53):
change.
So, pelvic floor issues that'sone thing that we're getting
people in for.
They have pelvic pain and thensome of some injections, um are
guided by ultrasound or in theirreal um, high tech and
difficult, and the Frankenhauserwork, yeah, very, very

(38:15):
expensive.
Um, frankenhauser is simply,you know, established, it's
simply performed and it's veryeffective.
I've had women in the throes ofmenstrual cramps and were able
to do it, and they get immediatepain relief.
We've had emotional reactionsfrom doing it.

(38:37):
There's, there's just, and thenwe have people who are like I
don't know, you know they're,they have such chronic issues
and they're waiting, you know,as it's going to be a series
Cause again.
These are seldom one and donethings, but it depends on the
person and what they're, whatthey're being treated for, and

(38:59):
it can be very supplementary topelvic floor therapy as well,
absolutely, and I think, evenfollowing surgeries, you know,
we put it like endosurgery orhysterectomies, because what we
don't stop and think about isevery time you cut something out
of the body, every time you cutinto the body, you're cutting
fascia, you're creating a scar,you're creating an interference

(39:22):
field and with the frankenhauser, you can.
You can actually feel as you'reinjecting.
Um, it was described to me aslacy.
It'll feel lacy because itshould feel like butter when
you're going in and I I call itcrunchy, like there are some
people it's like oh, this is notbutter, this is more like rice,
rice Krispies, and and that'swhere you know there are

(39:45):
adhesions.
And it's a beautiful, simplething because we can, we can
inject right where we need that,right where we need to reset.
So that's, that's theFrankenhausen.
Then there's another way to doit, where you go in a little
lower.
But it's something that we areso careful.

(40:07):
We're so careful with ourpatients because, first of all,
we want you you know, if you'recoming here to feel comfortable,
we want you to feel safe and wewant you to feel hopeful.
You know, and I think that youneed those things for healing to
take place, no matter whatyou're doing, whether I'm

(40:29):
massaging you or sticking aneedle in you or telling you to
take an enzyme.
You need to feel confidence andwe try to provide a safe space.
We try to provide a very calmand easy environment for people
to just feel comfortable andhave a little time and space to

(40:51):
absorb the treatment before youjust get up and go about your
day.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
So yeah, well, you know, and I was going to ask but
you kind of answered alreadyhow an individual would know if
they need neurotherapy.
You need it Really.
It's for anything.
Everyone needs it, I mean youdo.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I mean, I'm not going to say need, but I know not
needs, but everyone couldbenefit from it, yeah, yeah,
whether you have headaches, um,sticky lymph, sticky lymph,
reproductive problems,gastrointestinal because we
haven't even started to talkabout GERD or liver problems,

(41:31):
there's lymphatic.
We do a lot of lymphatic workwith neural therapy because it
really helps to move the lymphand improve drainage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and thenjust the whole pain.
Pain is such um an interferenceto life, yeah, so yeah,

(41:54):
everyone's experienced it oneway or another.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
And when you're in constant pain, you're going to
be more tired, you're going tobe more grumpy, you're not going
to think as clearly pain you'regoing to be more tired, you're
going to be more grumpy, you'renot going to think as clearly.
So to be able to get a prettyimmediate relief from that
there's not much like it.
You know it once again.
It doesn't replace all theclean living we have to do.
I don't think anyone's going tolisten and think, oh, they can

(42:16):
make all the bad choices theywant and get neural therapy and
be fine.
But it is just really, reallygreat to know that there's this
simple little tool that we canuse to get a little relief with
all the challenges in life andyeah, it's really exciting to be
able to do something tosomebody in real time.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
They experience benefit, and that's something
that neural therapy can provide,or ozone, or, you know,
prolozone, where you're doingthe prolotherapy and adding
ozone, being able to to helpsomebody feel better in the
moment and then, even if itdoesn't last all the way, to be

(43:01):
able to say, okay, this is atool that I'm going to get to
use going forward as we'reunwinding everything.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Right, yeah, and that's where I think we both
strive to educate our clients.
It's so important that peopleknow what their options are,
because that does keep peoplehopeful to know that there's
other options, right.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah, and that's why we're always learning, because
there's no way we can ever doall the things.
But our philosophy of health isto have things that are
accessible, that are affordable,and that's why, when you come
here, we're not just, oh, buythis thousand dollars of

(43:40):
supplements.
I hope that's not what peopleget when they come here.
But you know, we need you to dothese things at home, we need
you to do these practices athome, we need you to sleep, we
need you know, it's the way youlive your life, it's our
thoughts, it's the people thatwe surround ourselves with, but

(44:03):
then it's also the therapiesthat we provide ourselves.
Self-care, right?
Dry brushing is one of thosethings.
Dry skin brushing, getting amassage, getting a facial,
whatever, going on vacation,going off screens there are so
many things that you can look atas therapeutic and and for us

(44:25):
for sure, um, this is, you know,neural therapy.
Using the different injectionscan really go a long way.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Um so.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I think yeah, whether we're, you know, getting
somebody out of a funk, orprocessing grief, or improving
fertility, providing menstrualcramp relief, that one's a huge
one.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
That's.
You know there are so manythings that so many benefits I
guess to be had from usingthings like this, and you know
the Germans are the masters atthis, and so it's so exciting
and we're going to keep addingto.
You know, I'm going to keeplearning, we're going to keep

(45:26):
being innovative with thetherapies that we bring to K6
Wellness Center and to ourclients, who, you know, just
drive us to do more, and Icannot say how encouraging it is
.
People tell me I can just tellthat you're passionate about it
and that you love it, and I do.
But I love it even more whenour clients are passionate about
it.
And you know it's one thing,like if I remember to ask you

(45:47):
hey, how did your blah, blah,blah go, or how was things.
But you know it's another thing.
When I'm so passionate aboutwhat you're doing, I'm like
Elena, how was that class youdid, or how was that?
You know, whatever, how's thisgoing?
It means something.
And I, how was that?
You know, whatever, how's thisgoing?
It means something.
And I think people are takingtheir health more seriously.
I'm so excited to see howhealth care may change, you know

(46:14):
, in the coming years and tohave more innovation, not
necessarily things that havenever been seen before, but
going back to the time, testedthe age old principles of health
.
You know, heat and cool andwater and wind, food and rest,
all of those, those just mostbasic things.

(46:35):
That all play a role andneurotherapy does play into that
it complements it because youcan.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
You can do all the other right things and still
need something to get you tothat next level, and that's what
neural therapy has been provento be for so many people already
, and I'm excited for all of ourlisteners who are at least
local.
If you're not, come visit us,come experience this.
It's incredible.
It's allowing your nervoussystem to go back to that place
where it's not.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
It's allowing your nervous system to go back to
that place where it's notdisrupted you know you're not
just staying in this sympatheticfight or flight or fright state
of mind all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah Well, that has been so helpful and it just
seems like a perfect place towrap this up.
We hope you found thisinformation valuable and we'd
love to hear from you If youwatched the episode on YouTube.
Please like and subscribe toour channel, but also check us
out on Rumble Facebook andInstagram, and if you'd like
more information on how to takebetter care of your health,

(47:31):
visit k6wellnesscom to schedulean appointment.
Until next time, take care ofyourself, because your health is
worth fighting for.
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