November 21, 2024 • 56 mins
What if hidden traumas are silently shaping your health and well-being? Join us on the K6 Wellness Revolution podcast as we uncover the startling truth about trauma's unsuspected impact on our lives. Sharon and Elena guide you through a deep exploration into the types of trauma—physical, mental, emotional, and sexual—and the pervasive reach they have, often lurking beneath the surface of everyday experiences.
Our conversation doesn't stop at recognition; we venture into the realm of response and healing. We share important insights from our experience as health providers, shedding light on how less obvious traumas, such as emotional neglect or gaslighting, can leave lasting imprints. We discuss the ripple effects of societal stressors and how these can alter not just individual stress responses, but also community dynamics. Discover the connections between emotional health and physical symptoms through the wisdom of Chinese medicine, and how nurturing empathy and understanding can foster resilience and recovery in our communities.
Finally, we explore a multitude of healing paths, from holistic practices like acupuncture and meditation to the emerging potential of psychedelics for trauma recovery. Sharon recounts her personal journey of transformation through some of these methods, illustrating the profound changes they can inspire. This episode reinforces the importance of self-awareness, persistence in finding the right healing methods, and the powerful role of community and positive connections. By addressing trauma holistically, we better ourselves and contribute positively to those around us, setting the stage for a healthier, more resilient future.
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This is not medical advice – we do not diagnose or prescribe. This conversation is for educational purposes only. Please seek advice from your health practitioner.
RESOURCES FROM PODCAST DISCUSSION:
Child abuse statistics https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470337/
Domestic violence stats: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499891/
School bullying stats: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=719#:~:text=How%20many%20students%20are%20bullied,%E2%80%9311%20(28%20percent).
The Body Keeps the Score - by Bessel Van der Kolk https://www.besselvanderkolk
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the K6 Wellness Revolution podcast.
My name is Sharon, I'm theowner of K6 Wellness Center in
Dallas, texas, and Elena and Iwill be your hosts tonight.
We're going to discuss anotherinteresting aspect of health and
wellness, and for today, wedecided to discuss the broad
topic of trauma and trauma as itimpacts our health more
(00:25):
succinctly.
There's so many types of trauma, be it physical, mental,
emotional, sexual, and all ofthese traumas can either
positively yes, positively ornegatively impact your health.
So what Positively impact, youask?
Yeah, okay, cut.
(00:46):
I was like who wrote this shit?
sammy come back.
No, it's fine, we're just gonnacut.
Okay, one, two, three go.
Welcome to the k6 wellnessrevolution.
My name is Sharon, the owner ofK6 Wellness Center in Dallas,
(01:07):
texas, and I'm going to be yourhost as we discuss all things
health and wellness.
Today, elena and I have decidedto discuss a very broad topic
of trauma and how it impactshealth, and there are a lot of
different types of trauma, likephysical, mental, emotional,
sexual, and these things allimpact our lives in many ways,
(01:28):
and so let's just go ahead andget started.
Hey, elena, hello, tell ussomething about trauma that
you've experienced in yourpractice as a health coach.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You mean my trauma as a health coach?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, no, it could be your trauma or just trauma.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You know, I feel like what I see on a daily basis is
people who come in with allthese physical symptoms that
we're trying to deal with and asyou get to know them a little
bit better, you start hearingmore about some of their life
experiences.
And then you hear things thatyou know they need someone on
the outside to point out to themand say, hey, you know that
(02:09):
that's trauma and that's not anormal experience you should
have had to go through.
And if they don't even realizeit, then they can't acknowledge
the connection between theirphysical and emotional health.
So I really think the biggestthing is people aren't aware how
much not dealing with theirtrauma can actually impact their
physical health.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And there's so many different kinds of traumas and
people have trauma on a dailybasis, and it's not always
severe trauma, while there is aton of that.
It could be just the trauma ofa stressful drive to work.
You know stress, stress andtrauma there's just so many
different kinds and we're allgoing to experience it in some
form or another.
No one is immune to it, nomatter how strong and resilient
(02:56):
you think you are.
You know you are going to haveto combat that one way or
another.
And of course, some people havemore resilience than others.
So it's just figuring out whatthose traumas are, recognizing
them and then learning what todo about it.
But the thing is too I'm sureyou noticed this, sharon is that
if we look just at family, letalone clients, how two people
(03:21):
can come out of the samesituation and have different
side effects from it.
Some people could be okay.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, and different perceptions of the trauma itself
.
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right.
That we're all going to haveunique triggers and responses to
that trauma, so it's justlearning how to recognize that
in ourselves and others.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, for sure.
And I think too, when you justconsider like how much, well,
how much trauma there is, howmany different types of trauma
but I started just looking at,you know, statistics and child
abuse for one, like that'strauma, right, trauma isn't just
getting hit by a truck.
(04:08):
It's bad things that happen topeople, whether by accident or
on purpose, or throughnegligence or with malfeasance.
But child abuse and neglect onein four children experience it.
That's alarming, it's sad.
And domestic violence theyestimate about 10 million
Americans are affected each yearby violence in the home.
(04:31):
Almost 20% of middle school andhigh school students say
they've been bullied.
And suicide we have one death bysuicide in America every 11
minutes.
Suicide we have one death bysuicide in America every 11
minutes.
And if you think about thecircle of influence that you
have and people you know, youcan think you're all alone, you
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can think that nobody cares.
But when you, when somebodyends their own life, they leave
a pretty wide net of trauma andthat can affect some people more
than others.
But you're leaving behind, yeah, a lot of grieving family,
(05:13):
friends, acquaintances, andthose are really easy to spot
traumas, I think, or easy todescribe.
And then there are more vagueversions of it.
A lot of times we don't knowabout sexual traumas, unless
it's not always somebody gettingmugged in an alley.
You know there's.
(05:34):
There's the sexual trauma thatcomes from family members.
There's the sexual trauma thatcomes from date rape.
There's trauma in the workplacethat can be also bullying or
intimidation or whatever.
But yeah, there's a lot oftrauma in our world.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, and when you look at some of those statistics
that you just noted, basicallyall of us are walking around
with someone who has been avictim of some sort of severe
trauma, let alone the littleones, right, the little traumas
of stress and whatnot.
But it just is a good reminderto have grace for people around
you.
You really don't know whatpeople have been through and
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what could be their breakingpoint just in being a rude
person or being impatient.
It's a good reminder to havegrace Because for some people
too, trauma can be an ongoingexperience.
Some people are stuck in asituation and the obvious ones
are going to be the sexual abuseor child abuse, domestic
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violence type things.
But there are so many thingsthat could go on and on and no
one's aware of it.
People get good at hidingtrauma because they don't know
how to handle it, so they don'tknow how to tell other people to
let them in on it, and it'susually not a one-time event.
It can be right, I don't wantto dismiss those one-time events
, but it's just going to be sodifferent, so you got to
(07:01):
remember that you could be stuckin it and you have to learn how
to get out of it to get theright help and to get better.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I think sometimes , when you're in those
situations where it's a repeatedtrauma, we tend to hide those
things, whether it's, you know,the self-messaging or the whole
idea of shame or being fearful,you know, a safety issue.
We get really good at lying andcovering up and that's to our
(07:32):
own detriment usually.
But yeah, there are a lot oftypes of those repeated traumas
and I think it's almost easierto know about a trauma when it's
something so outside.
It's almost easier to knowabout a trauma when it's
something so outside the realmof your normal that you go oh my
gosh, I was mugged on the wayto work today.
Or, you know, you end up in thehospital because of some and
(07:57):
not all trauma is intentional.
Like a bad car accident, that'sa trauma.
Or military, that's a trauma,and you can.
Or military I mean look howmany people we have with PTSD
and just from being witness toviolence and very difficult
situations and not necessarilybeing a party to it over again,
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and the more you're around it,the more of a trigger it can
become.
But yeah, dysfunctionalrelationships, even abandonment
issues, all of these types ofrepeated traumas can influence
your perception of the world,how you view the world, how you
form your own relationships and,um, that can be, you know, it
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can be good.
Some people, whether knowinglyor unknowingly, happen into a
very healthy place.
But a lot of times we all endup with scars and we end up with
our own level of dysfunction,kind of as a coping mechanism
almost.
And it's important to, I thinkfor that reason, recognize some
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of the more subtle traumas, likeemotional abandonment and
recognizing verbal abuse.
You know it's often in domesticrelationships, whether it's
parent-child or spouses orpartners, whether it's
parent-child or spouses orpartners, we can see that.
But manipulation and neglectare sometimes harder to identify
(09:31):
, right, they can be more subtleand abandonment isn't always
physical abandonment, it's not.
Oh, my husband ran off 10 yearsago and left us.
Sometimes it's just emotionalabandonment and that can be very
, very harmful and very hurtful.
(09:54):
Gaslighting you know that'ssomething we hear about a lot
now.
Gaslighting is basicallyminimalizing or marginalizing
another person's concern orperspective or ideas and that
can have very traumatic effectsongoing when that gaslighting
comes from somebody you trust orsomebody you love, whether it's
(10:14):
your spouse or family member oryour doctor or your teacher.
These types of traumas frompeople who we trust can
definitely make us question alot of different things and
physical traumas right, if youget smacked around, if you're
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raised in a physically abusivehome or if you marry into a
physically abusive relationshipor if you're in a type of
environment that is just justinvolves a lot of risky
behaviors where people get hurt,that can be very traumatizing.
So I don't want to just make itsound like, oh, it's all you
(10:56):
know abuse.
It's not just abuse, becausetrauma can be anything that
negatively impacts your life inany way right.
Right, I mean it can even berepeated.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know a miscarriage or repeated
miscarriages it could be traumaslike that, things that you have
no control over, and it's goingto eventually shape or change
the way you look at life.
If you aren't careful Becauseyou know whether it's a subtle
trauma or a less than subtletrauma, that does impact our
future behavior, we're going tohave different views of the
(11:32):
world and what we think is goodand right.
These experiences can changehow we cope with things, and we
may not cope with things as wellas we would have had.
We not experienced that, butthe beautiful thing is you can
learn from every experience howto be stronger, how to develop
better coping mechanisms.
So it's just important to beaware of the problem so you can
(12:03):
make sure you don't continue abehavior pattern, because you
don't want to continue to impactthe people around you and, once
again, not blaming people forwhat has happened to them, but
just learning how to change thatpattern behavior going forward.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And I think we can even see that on a national
scale, right.
So for people out there who arelike I, you know I've really
been spared from trauma andnothing bad's ever happened, and
kudos to you, you unicorn.
But I think we've all beentraumatized.
If you even just look at ournation, like, look at what COVID
shutdown did to people, right,how has that shaped our future
(12:43):
health or our futurerelationships, or our
expectations from people, fromgovernment, from doctors, from
coworkers, from bosses, friends,all of those things?
I think that you know there wasa fair amount of gaslighting
that went on.
I think there was a lot of fearthat helped drive a lot of
(13:06):
decisions and, yeah, that's atrauma, just like being in a car
accident.
It's a trauma like a sportsinjury and I, yeah, I think that
all of those things, somepeople, like you said, will
learn.
Those things some people, likeyou said, will learn, oh, okay,
(13:29):
well, I'm not going to respondthat way again, I'm going to do
this instead.
And but sometimes, when that,when we don't, when we're not
able to step outside ourselvesor we don't have the benefit of
outside counsel, we can developvery dysfunctional patterns of
response or coping that, likeyou said, will impact our future
(13:53):
health, our future health, soyeah.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Right?
Well, I mean you want to talkabout trauma.
Turn on the news.
All you're going to hear aboutand see about are traumatic
things, and they have a way ofbringing things to our attention
that are already frustrating.
I mean you just look atdisappointments in elections or
celebrations in elections thatis a traumatic thing for some
(14:15):
people right there.
Or looking at job losses acrossthe country, or you know, just
looking at all these differentthings that are already negative
, and if you turn on the news,they're going to just repeat and
repeat and repeat how negativethese things are.
That creates a stressedresponse to anybody.
Absolutely nobody can hear thatall the time and be okay.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's why I've always said social media is
traumatic.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It is.
You know there's this wholeaddiction that happens with
social media.
You always want to be on andsee what's happening, and most
of it isn't going to be positive, or the things that are
positive can still make you feelbad about what you are aren't
doing.
So that's a constant stressor.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
They're not trauma, but stressor, but that's where
you see a lot of bullying, too,is in social media, and not just
for children.
It's not like school bullying.
I mean it can be, but you seeadults in the gaslighting or the
bullying that causes people toquestion the value of their
existence, or should I live?
(15:17):
Or you get this real warpedsense of reality and sometimes
it's easy to look at stuff likethat, like I feel like I'm
grounded in reality and somebodyelse might look at me and go
you are so out there.
But, I feel like it's important,you know, to have real
relationships, to have outsidecounsel, but sometimes we do.
(15:40):
You know you talk about theselike collective, where as a
society or as a bigger group, wego through traumas that can be
helpful in forming a goodresponse.
Or it can go the wrong way andwe can end up with this mob
mentality or this, what do theycall it, mass formation
psychosis, you know, whereeverybody thinks really poorly
(16:03):
developed thoughts together, butit's kind of a mob mentality
and they've shown, like you know, you can get this mob mentality
where bad things happen to goodpeople but it was a force, if
you will, of multiples thatdrove a certain action or a
certain outcome.
And you can also see wheresomebody can stop that just by
(16:26):
saying whoa, whoa, whoa, no,let's do something different.
And if you people's minds openenough to counteract, you know,
whatever the trauma is or theimpending trauma, you can change
the course of a potentialtrauma or the coping mechanism
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that's going to be developed.
Is it going to be constructiveor is it going to be detrimental
.
So, yeah, that's more societal.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I guess I'm talking more societal connection and
(17:18):
more stress, because you needcommunity and you need healthy
community to cope with life asit is, let alone when there's
traumas that you need to be ableto talk about and deal with.
Because if you can't, what dowe see every day Physical and
physiological side effects ofthose emotions.
Right For sure.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, because we'll see it.
It can manifest as behavioralproblems, like it could be ADHD,
it could be a person, it couldbe like schizophrenia, it could
be depression and anxiety.
There can be all kinds ofthings that come from trauma,
(17:53):
right, even chronic healthconditions, trauma, right, even
chronic health conditions.
And I think that when youconsider, like in Chinese
medicine, every organ has anemotional relationship.
And if you look at our majororgans and I'm not an expert in
Chinese medicine, but I know thebig ones I was talking to
(18:16):
somebody about this earliertoday, talking about kidneys and
the emotions that go along withkidney health or kidney
dysfunction, or fear andirritation, and so oftentimes,
when somebody has a kidneyproblem, you might be.
When somebody has a kidneyproblem, you might be.
(18:37):
If you're holistic and you'regoing in deep, you're going to
look for what are the fear,invoking situations in this
person's history or, you know,or current situation.
The stomach if you think aboutstomach, like what are some
common health problems we havewith our stomach Ulcers, reflux,
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and what brings those things on, elena, stress, anxiety and
worry.
And so worry is where is seated, if you will, in the stomach.
And then we have our heart,which is the seat of joy we have
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our lungs, which is the seat ofsadness and grief and one of
the things that really drivesthat home if you look at people
who've been together a long timeI think I've mentioned this
before on this podcast butpeople who've been together a
long, long time and one of thempasses, and this can even be.
It can be a child, it can be amarried couple.
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I've seen it with people andtheir pets.
When one goes, or you lose yourpet, or you lose your spouse or
a child or a dear friend, it isvery common it is not normal,
but it is very common to see theperson left behind succumb or
really suffer with a lungproblem like chronic bronchitis
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or pneumonia, things like that,and it's unresolved sadness and
grief.
The large intestine the bigthing we always think of with
large intestine, besides coloncancer, is constipation and I
can always remember this onebecause the emotion is feeling
stuck.
Go figure, yeah, go figure.
(20:25):
But those I feel like justunderstanding a little bit of
why we feel the way we feel.
So think about like if you'veever been sick, you know, and
you've thrown up so much thatnow you're just throwing up bile
, which is the bright greenstuff.
That bile is stored in yourgallbladder.
Your gallbladder is the organthat represents resentment and
(20:48):
bitterness, and bile is ratherbitter.
Your liver is the seat of angerand rage, and so you know, um
somebody with an angry liver, Ialways think of an angry drunk.
I mean, if you're an alcoholicand you're drinking a lot, it
does affect your liver a lot.
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And then that anger, when youdon't resolve, turns into
bitterness and resentment, right, and so that's where the bile
gets stored in the gallbladder,and maybe it just stays there.
And when anger gets stored itbecomes resentment and
bitterness.
And so I think if we all kindof look at ourselves and go,
(21:34):
okay, what, I'm an angry person,or I tend to be, you know, a
worrier, or I'm depressed orwhatever, you'll often find some
physical connection to thatemotion and and trauma can be
something that leads you downthat path.
So it's kind of interesting,you know, from a health
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standpoint, just to acknowledgethose relationships, because you
don't always know what camefirst, the chicken or the egg.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I know Is the drunk angry because his liver's bad or
because he's drinking that much.
So then he's in a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And that's yeah, I think that's a more accurate
tell on that whole situation isit becomes a very circular
dysfunctional cycle.
So, yeah, chronic healthconditions, um, behavioral
issues, and then even patientswho don't have like a solid
diagnosis which we get a lot ofthat here, right, like we'll get
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somebody in here and it's like,well, I was told I had this and
then they said I had that andnone of it really fits and it's
not having.
It's people without thesereliable, solid diagnoses, but
they're suffering.
They're suffering every day inmany ways.
It can cost jobs, relationships, friendships.
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It can cost financial securitywhere you're losing a home or
losing a car, things like that.
Those can be residual effectsfrom unresolved trauma, whether
it was an accident and youdidn't have health insurance, or
your husband left you, or youknow you were viciously attacked
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and left for dead and youdidn't have health insurance, or
you know there was no justicein the justice system for you,
whatever that was.
Trauma can affect all of ourmajor life areas job, home,
friends, right, yeah yeah, lifeareas, job, home, friends, right
(23:40):
.
So yeah, even mere survival.
If you look at Maslow's Pyramid, it's our physical needs at the
very bottom, you know security,food and shelter.
When those things becomethreatened because of trauma,
wow, you know, we're in a realdesperate place and I think when
you look at homelessness inAmerica, I mean there's a lot
(24:02):
behind that, right, but how manyof those situations have trauma
attached to them?
Every single one.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Right, right, well, and you kind of touched on some
of the symptoms and conditionsthat are linked to trauma.
A big one is memory issues,because that's actually a
defense mechanism that ourbodies do for us.
You can block out some memoriesthat were too bad to remember
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and you might not recall them.
I feel like oftentimes peopledo begin to recall as they heal,
because you've got to workthrough some of those memories.
But a lot of the mental healthdisorders we see were triggered
by some sort of trauma, be itschizophrenia or even depression
and anxiety, and PTSD is a bigone, and then all those lead to
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sleep disturbances, insomnia.
That's a big problem and onceagain there's so many factors
that can go into insomnia.
But that is something thatpeople are going to deal with
when they've been through traumaand if you don't get good rest
it's really hard for the body toheal.
So we want to make sure we'recoming at that from every angle
possible.
But just having even chronicfatigue, you've done everything
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but you can't seem to get overthat hump because there's
unresolved trauma in your lifeand that also leads to learning
disabilities like ADHD anddyslexia and hyper-focus can be
an issue, but I think addictionis one of the biggest things
people turn to or can, becauseyou need something to cope with
this thing inside of you thatyou haven't been able to talk
(25:36):
through or work through yet.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, and America, if nothing else, is the land of
band-aids, pharmaceuticalband-aids, and we can get you
addicted to anything and makeyou forget your trauma
momentarily, even sugar, yeah,especially sugar, but yeah.
So there are lots of copingmechanisms for all kinds of
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triggers and there are all kindsof triggers that we've gone
through.
But the body's response totrauma, to triggers from past
trauma, those are things thatcan be very difficult to, I
think, fully resolve becausesometimes your brain will block
(26:22):
memories, right, and it's forself-protection.
So I know I learned like yourbrain's not going to remember a
trauma that your body's notready to resolve, whether
because the pain was too greator the it was just so traumatic
or so shocking, um, there's noway for the body to deal with it
(26:47):
.
And so, as a self protect orself-defense mechanism, brain
shuts that off.
And you look at people withamnesia after traumatic events
or bad car accidents and likethey don't remember anything
from maybe 15 minutes before thecar accident or two hours
before, and that's the brain.
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That's the brain saying nope,nope, it's just better if you
don't know.
But then there are things, likeyou know, chronic stress.
I think chronic stress fromjust our day-to-day life can be
traumatic, right?
Because this leads to highcortisol levels.
Well, when you have highcortisol levels, you're going to
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put on weight, which can betraumatic.
You're going to be wired andtired, which can be traumatic,
which leads to, like you weresaying, sleep problems and
insomnia and, over time, thenyou don't have motivation, or
you're constantly grabbing onfor control, like I've got to
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control everything and everybody, and you feel that way because
you actually don't controlanything and it's all from some
trigger or some buildup ofvarious traumas.
That may not seem traumatic andthat wouldn't make the six
o'clock news, but it's stillthere.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, yeah, well, and making the six o'clock news.
You don't make it to that pointif you haven't been pushed to
the point of snapping becauseyou haven't been able to deal
with anything or have a properexpression up until that point.
Because once you've beenthrough a situation where you
have been hurt be it physically,emotionally, any which way,
(28:37):
you're not going to have thebest response to people around
you.
You're not going to have thebest response to just daily
stress around you.
Stress is going to impact youmore than an average person,
even though really I think theaverage person is carrying
around something.
But just remembering that thosebehaviors are going to affect
everyone else, it's a chainreaction.
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If you are carrying this andyou have a skewed view of how
you should treat people or howyou should behave, it's going to
just continue from there.
So there's also the secondarygame.
Some people they benefit fromtheir trauma because it gives
them identity, it gives themsomething to cling to and I feel
(29:22):
like that's more of a victimmentality.
And you really want toacknowledge when you've been a
victim right, always know thatyou shouldn't have to suffer
alone or even carry the stressalone, but you don't want to get
stuck in a victim mentalitywhere, if you get better, who
would you be?
(29:43):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's not a healthy place.
No, it's not.
And I think too, like we usedto say well, a lot of people use
their diagnosis like theirsickness and they're more
(30:08):
interested in whatever valuethey gain from having that
sickness.
There have been people who'vecome in and maybe their symptoms
started with a trauma but thenthey didn't feel acknowledged
and I think sometimes that's it.
You know, back to this whole,the trauma that comes along with
abandonment.
(30:38):
You can get, you know physicalfeatures like maybe it's chronic
fatigue or maybe it'sfibromyalgia or some pain
syndrome or autoimmune condition, and you just keep going along
and you realize, oh, I actuallyget sympathy now my kids are
calling or my husband takesbetter care of me when I'm sick,
my husband takes better care ofme when I'm sick.
(31:01):
So where's the motivation for aperson who feels alone and
abandoned to get better when bybeing sick, they get more care?
And I think that, okay, I justmade that very black and white,
but when you're in it, whenyou're walking through that,
that is a very difficult thingto see and I think, as the
person with that secondary gain,it's very hard to drop that, to
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say, you know, I'm going to letgo of that and I'm going to
work through my abandonmentissues because I want to be
better and I don't want to livewith this pain.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because I want to be better and I don't want to live
with this pain.
Yeah, because I don't thinkmost people make a conscious
decision to stay in that placeor get to that place.
It just happens.
It happens, it's subconscious.
Well, I don't know about most,but not everyone's going to be
that manipulative.
It's just they realize.
Oh, I do appreciate theattention I'm getting because I
do feel heard and I feel seen.
(31:57):
But that goes back to why youneed to have community.
You need to have community withpeople who can understand you
and love you the right way.
Otherwise you fall intopatterns.
In relationships that aren'thealthy, you can seek out
similar trauma that you've livedthrough and, once again, I
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think it's a very subconsciousthing.
People don't realize they do ituntil they get to a healthier
place.
You can look back and see oh,wow, yeah, I was walking down
this path because it's one thatwas familiar to me.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think sometimes you can even see that in support
groups, where there are greatsupport groups and I am not
bashing support groups at all,but I've seen a few through the
years where it's like everybodyjust got stuck in their trauma
and it was just a weekly.
It wasn't support, it was morelike a pity party or it was a
(32:49):
let's all get down in the mudtogether and just stay here
because it feels realcomfortable and real familiar.
And I don't feel so alone in mytrauma when I'm with these
other people.
Nobody ever gets better, nobodyever learns a healthy coping
mechanism.
There's no resolution, there'sno way through Right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Right, and that's where you want to make sure
you're in a community that canapproach healing from trauma in
a complete way, because you haveto acknowledge it.
I think there are a lot oftimes, like I said, there's
clients you can work with whodon't realize that they had a
traumatic childhood or thatsomething about the way they
grew up or the last job theycame from wasn't normal.
(33:35):
And if you can't acknowledge it, you can't process it.
But the funny thing abouttraumas and the emotions that we
have with trauma is you have tomove through it.
You can't avoid it, you justcan't.
You can stuff it for years, butit's eventually going to come
out in some negative way oranother.
(33:55):
Even if it is grief eventuallygoing to come out in some
negative way or another, even ifit is grief right, grief can
turn the nicest people into veryugly, unpleasant people.
And once again, I don't blameanyone who's been through
something where they've lostsomething or someone.
But if you are not aroundhealthy people who can help you
be healthy, you can tend to justbring each other down.
(34:18):
And you know there's a lot ofum modalities and therapies that
you can do.
Um, sharon, what are some ofthe ones that you've seen that
are helpful.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh, there's so many and and I think, um, there's no
one guaranteed right, like thereare all these amazing things.
I was talking to a holisticpsychologist several months ago
and she was like we got to getpast just having talk therapy.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
We've got to do more.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And I went whoa, did you really just say that?
Because there is talk therapy,and I think talk therapy is so
valuable.
I know for myself, at variouspoints in my life I needed to
just verbally process with alicensed professional and it
(35:08):
helps you sometimes, justleading you to be able to able
to consciously acknowledge andthen process things.
Talk therapy, it's great, right?
There are things like EMDR,which is the eye movement,
desensitization, reprocessing,and this is one that's, I think,
(35:30):
fairly new on the scene.
Well, no, was it 80s, 90s?
I don't know, but I hear abouta lot more yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's becoming more common.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
A lot more people do it Now.
I have never done it myself,but I have talked to people who
have had very, very goodexperiences with it and, whether
it's grieving a loved one orresolving childhood trauma or
helping with addiction, I'veheard a lot of good feedback and
I've had some people say itmade everything worse.
And I think that's whereworking with a mental health
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professional who can really helpguide you, based on their
clinical experience and theirknowledge and expertise, to a
modality that is going to bebeneficial for you and that
suits your belief system andyour lifestyle and just your
communication and your situationbut yeah, emdr is one.
(36:29):
There's emotional freedomtechnique, which I mean, I love.
Emotional freedom technique isan amazing free.
You can just go type it in asearch engine and it was made
free to the world by the man whodeveloped it and it's using
certain like neuro-lymphaticreflexive points and
(36:52):
affirmations and just differentways of classifying a stress or
a physical symptom that'sundesirable.
Um, you can to to help the bodyreprogram itself, if you will,
like my daughter got to when shewas this was a long time ago
and she was going to be aperforming student for a
(37:15):
professor from Juilliard at auniversity and it was like this
masterclass and she was ineighth grade and so it was.
It was a, it was a big honorand she was not really a stage
fright type kid Like she.
She'd get nervous, she'd get upthere and rock it and she was
fine and her hands were shakingso bad and I was like, oh well,
this is not good.
(37:35):
And I had my mom, who's reallygood with EFT, at her, do EFT
with her before she went onstage and she just she said it
calmed her down so much andshe's 13 at the time and she
(37:57):
just felt so more in control ofherself and more empowered to go
out there and do what she knewshe could do, and so that's
really good.
It's really good for physicalsymptoms headaches, migraines,
pain.
Eft can be useful for a lot ofthings.
There's, in fact, there's onNetflix there was, I think it
was Netflix, I don't know that.
I said that there was adocumentary series called Heal
(38:20):
H-E-A-L and they kind of talkabout using EFT to for people
going through cancer or peoplewho had, like, walked away from
traditional cancer therapieswhether it was because of money,
relationship issues or theywere feeling alone but EFT
played a role in their recovery.
Emotion code is huge.
(38:44):
There's a book One of myfavorites, yeah.
There's a book by a man named Iwas looking for it on my shelf
over here Dr Bradley Nelson, andhe kind of goes through the
emotion code.
Do you want to talk about theemotion code?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Well, sure, sure, because I love this one for
absolutely anybody and everybody.
It's not going to be the endall, be all, fix all, but it is
such a great tool to either havedone for you or to learn to do
for yourself.
And if you're sitting herelistening and wondering, I
wonder if I have any trauma orany emotions.
Hey, you all have emotions, weall have emotions.
(39:22):
I get emotion code done onmyself regularly.
I'll do it for myself sometimes, but I feel like it's helpful
to occasionally have someoneelse do it for you, kind of get
an outside point of view, butit's such a great one that you
could just try and see.
Huh, I wonder, if I releaseemotions, am I going to feel any
better?
Probably, I mean, I don't thinkI've had anyone not feel better
(39:44):
from it, because we do thesesessions in the office here.
But it's where we're justtesting through all the
different organs in the body andwhen we find an organ that
needs to be rebalanced, we testthrough emotions that are
contributed with that organ andthen we can find out if it's a
current situation, a pastsituation, and basically we're
(40:06):
just resetting your body'ssoftware and helping your body
have a normal response to thisemotion or this situation.
So it's a simple, simpletechnique.
There's really no rocket scienceto it.
We're just measuring where thebody's weak and reinforcing some
, I guess, vibrations.
You use a magnet.
(40:27):
The way we do it, you use amagnet over the governing vessel
of the head and it just resetsthe polarity there.
That's how I explain it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Well, and I think too , the interesting thing that
I've come to experience withemotion code doing it on other
people mainly is I may not knowthis person or know their
background and I don't reallydelve into counseling or that
kind of therapy with peoplebecause I'm here to take care
(40:57):
more of physical health.
But I acknowledge thatemotional health matters and
spiritual peace matters and wehave to have those conversations
.
But in doing emotion code, youstart to learn more about a
person's history because theymay not be aware of something.
But when you go, okay, we'vegot this fear, and it's fear
(41:19):
from your childhood or you knowwhatever it is, and and they're
like, oh well, you know, andthere'll be something that
stands out to that personinvariably.
And and then you can start tosee patterns in a person's life
where, if you ask that personbefore they ever started, were
you ever traumatized?
And they go no, no, no traumahere.
(41:40):
And then all of a sudden it'slike, wow, I did have trauma.
I didn't realize how itimpacted my life and now I feel
better about it.
So it's not that we wanteverybody to go through the muck
and the mire and sit there, youknow, and stew in it.
That's not the point.
The point is, like you said,let's give the body new
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information and a chance toreset, and that's a positive
thing.
And acupuncture can act verysimilarly because you know
you're dealing with conductivepathways through the body, which
in acupuncture are calledmeridians, and there are very
powerful points on the body thatyou can stimulate or tonify to
(42:24):
create new behavior.
I love acupuncture.
I have, you know, greatexperiences with it.
First time I ever gotacupuncture from well, that was
the first time I ever gotacupuncture from well.
That was the first time I evergot acupuncture, I think, like a
traditional five element umacupuncture treatment from, uh,
(42:46):
one of the best, and her name'sAmanda Milo, in Dallas.
She didn't pay me to say that,but I'm going to give her that
she's amazing.
But she worked on me and shedid the moxibustion and then she
did some liver stuff and I laidthere on the table and I was
okay, fine, everything's fine.
Well, I got in my car to go homeand I was the angriest I think
(43:10):
I've ever been in my whole life.
And I just got angrier andangrier as I drove home.
And I got home and I walked inand this was a long time ago.
My kids still lived at home andthey're like hey mom, how was
acupuncture?
I was like don't talk to me,don't talk to me, don't look at
me.
Something's wrong with me.
I think I'm going to commit acrime.
(43:30):
I'm just going to go shutmyself in my room because my
rational mind knows I should notfeel this way, but I really
want to hurt somebody.
And everyone was like whoa,something's really wrong with
mom.
And so I went to my room and Ijust I laid there and I let it
pass and it went away and I waslike what the heck?
And I didn't know what hadhappened.
(43:52):
I thought, did I get triggeredsomewhere?
And this is how littleself-awareness I'm capable of
having.
My husband came in and said Ithink the acupuncture did it to
you.
I was like, oh yes, that wouldhave been it.
She was on my liver, so.
But then I was fine when itpassed, then I was fine and and
I think acupuncture is sopowerful, so powerful.
(44:14):
And then of course we havemeditation, Just the mindful.
It's like the mindful emptyingout of your mind, right To give.
Sometimes it's just good forour nervous system to have a
moment of rest.
It's like turn off the lightsand have nothing, just be still.
You know, even in the Bible itsays be still, be still and know
(44:37):
.
And I think that we need to bestill in our daily life.
We live in such a highdistraction world.
In such a high distraction time.
It's so important, I think,meditation for mental health
because we need to remember whatit's like to be still.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
We need stillness and silence.
Yeah, if you don't create that,you won't have margin for
anything else.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
That's exactly it.
And then there's exercise andnutrition, of course, because if
you're eating garbage, guesshow your mind is going to work
Like garbage.
And exercise is just a greatway.
I think you have less angst andless pent up stress and emotion
when there's always a physicaloutlet.
(45:26):
And I think that goes for, youknow, for for having sex, for
going for a walk, for liftingweights, for riding your bike,
for rowing, dancing, right.
It's all an outward working ofinner energy, and so it's a good
(45:48):
, healthy thing to exercise, letit out.
And then, of course, talktherapy, somatic therapies and
psychedelics.
I mean, people use psychedelicsmany times to help work through
things.
I'm not advocating and I'm notarguing, but I do think there's
something there that should beinvestigated more thoroughly,
(46:10):
and the goal, of course, is justto create a new, positive
memory by revisiting a trauma orclearing that trauma.
I think, ultimately, in any ofthese things and I'm sure I've
left out a universe ofmodalities, right, but these are
ones that we see frequently.
(46:30):
What did I leave out, elena?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I mean I can't think of anything offhand.
Those are the big ones that Iknow that we have either
experienced or seen positiveresults from.
It's just, it's a whole bodyapproach.
You know you can't just dophysical health, you can't just
approach emotional health orspiritual health.
It is all of it.
(46:54):
You have to do all of it.
But I think what's interestingto note too, it's like we talked
about talk therapy being veryhelpful, and I think that's a
great starting place for peoplesometimes because they don't
know where to go, nor do theyhave the motivation to start
doing any other kind ofself-help or self-healing.
And so, whether it's you wantto start with nutritional
(47:16):
counseling or talk therapy justgetting put in motion, you've
got to get in motion, you've gotto know you need help to be
able to seek the help out andthen get accountability.
And that's where we come inwith our little bit of knowledge
.
With the emotions, just doingemotion code or emotional
(47:36):
clearings.
We're just the beginning point,but we always want to make sure
in the scope of our practicethat we're helping you be the
healthiest person you can bephysically, so you can think
better and process better as yougo through the emotional
aspects of life.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, when you were talking earlier, I was thinking
about that.
I don't know why it came intomy mind, but you remember that
little rhyme that you would do.
We did it in school it was.
It was to teach rhythm anddifferent sounds with the body
and it was like we're going on abear hunt.
Um, come into a forest, oh look, there's a lake.
(48:15):
Can't go over it, Can't gounder it, Can't go around it.
Got to go through it andthere's all these different
obstacles.
I feel like trauma should be inthat, because you can't Trauma
heck yep, there's a trauma.
Can't go over it.
You can't go under it, you gotto go through it.
(48:51):
You're going through and wedon't have people who are
interested in us or care aboutus to speak into our lives.
That can be a hindrance toaddressing trauma, and that is
also a reason that it'simportant to have community.
(49:11):
And it's hard to have community.
It's easier now than it used tobe, right, four years ago.
But people have lost communityand that in and of itself is
traumatic.
And so finding a group ofpeople with similar ideas
whether it's your church or yoursports team or, like we do,
monthly gatherings here, becausewe and we've gotten to watch
(49:34):
some friendships form frompeople who you know wanted
community, who, whether theywere transplanted here or
whatever you know, lived hereand just needed more like-minded
people we were able to helpthem find that.
And and I think that havinghaving community helps us to
(49:55):
have a little betterself-reflection and
self-awareness and trauma neverstops happening.
Trauma is not normal.
Trauma is very common.
I think it's universal in thatpeople on the other side of the
world are going through the sametrauma as we are, maybe a
different flavor, but it's thesame.
(50:15):
It's the same thing.
And it's that whole idea thatthere's nothing new under the
sun, right?
We're all going through thingsthat everyone has gone through
before us.
So it's just so important tohave people who can help you
acknowledge and then having away to process, who can help you
(50:39):
acknowledge, and then having away to process, and then part of
that processing is recognizingthe role of the trauma in your
life so that you can grow fromit, because ultimately we do
want to grow from it.
I know, for me, losing a parentto suicide is traumatic and it
doesn't matter at what point inlife that happens.
(51:03):
It's something.
Then you, you have to process,and part of it is okay.
What happened on?
You know, my father committedsuicide and and I watched him
and beforehand you would havenever thought.
But now, on the other side, Ithink what are those steps in
the path that I can now identifythat maybe I need to be aware
(51:27):
of in my own life so that Idon't go down that path?
And I think that's a big trauma,but there are other ones right,
like addiction.
That's a big trauma, but thereare other ones right, like
addiction.
How can I prevent myself frombecoming an addict, like my
blank, blank, blank was, or Iused to be, addicted to this and
(51:47):
it caused this trauma in mylife, and how do I change my
behavior now or how do I reframeor reset so that I don't go
down that path again?
It's part of human growth, it'sa part of the human experience
and it's part of becoming abetter person and living a
better life and a healthier liferight.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Right.
And it's just havingself-awareness and understanding
what choices you need to make,like if you need one of the
modalities we mentioned, or ifyou've tried one and it didn't
do anything for you.
It didn't help, it didn't work.
Or maybe you went to counselingand you didn't go to a good
therapist.
You know that makes me so sadwhen people have tried that
(52:28):
Neither it wasn't a goodtherapist or it wasn't a good
fit and they think, yep, well,that's not going to help.
Or hey, I tried meditating onetime.
It's not going to, didn't doanything, it's not going to help
.
You got to keep trying.
You just have to keep workingtowards improving your health in
every way.
Work towards improvingrelationships.
Or, if you have unhealthyrelationships, get away from
(52:49):
those in your life.
You want to be around peoplewho are going to help you be
your best self, not bring outyour worst self.
And when it comes to familymembers, you know you don't get
to choose your family, but youcan choose your friends, who
become what I call framily.
You know, if you don't have ahealthy family life, find people
who can be your friends and becloser than the dysfunctional
(53:12):
relationships in your family,because ultimately, the way
you're going to be successful inlife is if you have that to
build you up so you can keepworking and fighting for your
best self.
So just keep working on findinga method that's going to work
for you.
Don't give up, don't lose hope,and if you're listening to this
(53:33):
, maybe it resonated with you,or maybe it resonated with you
in regards to someone else inyour life, because I go back to
that like you, don't know who'ssuffering from what, and I find
some of the most frustratingpeople that have been in my life
.
If I ever took the chance toget to know a little bit about
them, there's almost always anaha.
That's why this happened tothem.
Or maybe they made a choice andthere were consequences and
(53:57):
they're suffering from that.
But whatever it is, there'salways a reason.
So continue to work on youbeing your healthiest, happiest,
most whole self, and you'regoing to bring that out of the
people around you.
Iron sharpens iron.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
It does, and I think that that's a really important
thing, because the end goal isnot just me and it's not just
you, but we're supposed to makethe world a better place.
Now, if I'm garbage, actinglike garbage and swallowing in
my garbage, I will never, ever,never ever be able to shine
light or share joy or create joyor help the world around me,
(54:41):
and and I think that even goesback to, like a lot of you know,
wallowing in our traumaSometimes one of the things that
helps us to get out of it isjust to go do something for
somebody else.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah, and that is part of iron, sharpening iron.
So I think you know, for ourlisteners out there, definitely,
you know think about, okay, youknow acknowledge your trauma
and then let's find solutions.
And we're here to help peoplefind solutions.
And this is something we can do, whether you live in North
Texas or the Dallas area orwherever.
(55:14):
I mean we have virtualappointments that we do, and we
do work with people all over theworld.
But this is something to it'sso important because if you want
to just feel better, then fine,let's fix the physical symptoms
.
If you want to heal, then youhave to address the emotional
component and develop spiritualpeace, because without those
(55:38):
things you're never going tohave true healing and experience
great health.
Right, that's right.
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is worth fighting for.
Welcome to the K6 Wellness Revolution podcast.
My name is Sharon, I'm theowner of K6 Wellness Center in
Dallas, texas, and Elena and Iwill be your hosts tonight.
We're going to discuss anotherinteresting aspect of health and
wellness, and for today, wedecided to discuss the broad
topic of trauma and trauma as itimpacts our health more
(00:25):
succinctly.
There's so many types of trauma, be it physical, mental,
emotional, sexual, and all ofthese traumas can either
positively yes, positively ornegatively impact your health.
So what Positively impact, youask?
Yeah, okay, cut.
(00:46):
I was like who wrote this shit?
sammy come back.
No, it's fine, we're just gonnacut.
Okay, one, two, three go.
Welcome to the k6 wellnessrevolution.
My name is Sharon, the owner ofK6 Wellness Center in Dallas,
(01:07):
texas, and I'm going to be yourhost as we discuss all things
health and wellness.
Today, elena and I have decidedto discuss a very broad topic
of trauma and how it impactshealth, and there are a lot of
different types of trauma, likephysical, mental, emotional,
sexual, and these things allimpact our lives in many ways,
(01:28):
and so let's just go ahead andget started.
Hey, elena, hello, tell ussomething about trauma that
you've experienced in yourpractice as a health coach.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You mean my trauma as a health coach?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, no, it could be your trauma or just trauma.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You know, I feel like what I see on a daily basis is
people who come in with allthese physical symptoms that
we're trying to deal with and asyou get to know them a little
bit better, you start hearingmore about some of their life
experiences.
And then you hear things thatyou know they need someone on
the outside to point out to themand say, hey, you know that
(02:09):
that's trauma and that's not anormal experience you should
have had to go through.
And if they don't even realizeit, then they can't acknowledge
the connection between theirphysical and emotional health.
So I really think the biggestthing is people aren't aware how
much not dealing with theirtrauma can actually impact their
physical health.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And there's so many different kinds of traumas and
people have trauma on a dailybasis, and it's not always
severe trauma, while there is aton of that.
It could be just the trauma ofa stressful drive to work.
You know stress, stress andtrauma there's just so many
different kinds and we're allgoing to experience it in some
form or another.
No one is immune to it, nomatter how strong and resilient
(02:56):
you think you are.
You know you are going to haveto combat that one way or
another.
And of course, some people havemore resilience than others.
So it's just figuring out whatthose traumas are, recognizing
them and then learning what todo about it.
But the thing is too I'm sureyou noticed this, sharon is that
if we look just at family, letalone clients, how two people
(03:21):
can come out of the samesituation and have different
side effects from it.
Some people could be okay.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, and different perceptions of the trauma itself
.
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right.
That we're all going to haveunique triggers and responses to
that trauma, so it's justlearning how to recognize that
in ourselves and others.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, for sure.
And I think too, when you justconsider like how much, well,
how much trauma there is, howmany different types of trauma
but I started just looking at,you know, statistics and child
abuse for one, like that'strauma, right, trauma isn't just
getting hit by a truck.
(04:08):
It's bad things that happen topeople, whether by accident or
on purpose, or throughnegligence or with malfeasance.
But child abuse and neglect onein four children experience it.
That's alarming, it's sad.
And domestic violence theyestimate about 10 million
Americans are affected each yearby violence in the home.
(04:31):
Almost 20% of middle school andhigh school students say
they've been bullied.
And suicide we have one death bysuicide in America every 11
minutes.
Suicide we have one death bysuicide in America every 11
minutes.
And if you think about thecircle of influence that you
have and people you know, youcan think you're all alone, you
(04:52):
can think that nobody cares.
But when you, when somebodyends their own life, they leave
a pretty wide net of trauma andthat can affect some people more
than others.
But you're leaving behind, yeah, a lot of grieving family,
(05:13):
friends, acquaintances, andthose are really easy to spot
traumas, I think, or easy todescribe.
And then there are more vagueversions of it.
A lot of times we don't knowabout sexual traumas, unless
it's not always somebody gettingmugged in an alley.
You know there's.
(05:34):
There's the sexual trauma thatcomes from family members.
There's the sexual trauma thatcomes from date rape.
There's trauma in the workplacethat can be also bullying or
intimidation or whatever.
But yeah, there's a lot oftrauma in our world.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, and when you look at some of those statistics
that you just noted, basicallyall of us are walking around
with someone who has been avictim of some sort of severe
trauma, let alone the littleones, right, the little traumas
of stress and whatnot.
But it just is a good reminderto have grace for people around
you.
You really don't know whatpeople have been through and
(06:14):
what could be their breakingpoint just in being a rude
person or being impatient.
It's a good reminder to havegrace Because for some people
too, trauma can be an ongoingexperience.
Some people are stuck in asituation and the obvious ones
are going to be the sexual abuseor child abuse, domestic
(06:37):
violence type things.
But there are so many thingsthat could go on and on and no
one's aware of it.
People get good at hidingtrauma because they don't know
how to handle it, so they don'tknow how to tell other people to
let them in on it, and it'susually not a one-time event.
It can be right, I don't wantto dismiss those one-time events
, but it's just going to be sodifferent, so you got to
(07:01):
remember that you could be stuckin it and you have to learn how
to get out of it to get theright help and to get better.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I think sometimes , when you're in those
situations where it's a repeatedtrauma, we tend to hide those
things, whether it's, you know,the self-messaging or the whole
idea of shame or being fearful,you know, a safety issue.
We get really good at lying andcovering up and that's to our
(07:32):
own detriment usually.
But yeah, there are a lot oftypes of those repeated traumas
and I think it's almost easierto know about a trauma when it's
something so outside.
It's almost easier to knowabout a trauma when it's
something so outside the realmof your normal that you go oh my
gosh, I was mugged on the wayto work today.
Or, you know, you end up in thehospital because of some and
(07:57):
not all trauma is intentional.
Like a bad car accident, that'sa trauma.
Or military, that's a trauma,and you can.
Or military I mean look howmany people we have with PTSD
and just from being witness toviolence and very difficult
situations and not necessarilybeing a party to it over again,
(08:20):
and the more you're around it,the more of a trigger it can
become.
But yeah, dysfunctionalrelationships, even abandonment
issues, all of these types ofrepeated traumas can influence
your perception of the world,how you view the world, how you
form your own relationships and,um, that can be, you know, it
(08:46):
can be good.
Some people, whether knowinglyor unknowingly, happen into a
very healthy place.
But a lot of times we all endup with scars and we end up with
our own level of dysfunction,kind of as a coping mechanism
almost.
And it's important to, I thinkfor that reason, recognize some
(09:07):
of the more subtle traumas, likeemotional abandonment and
recognizing verbal abuse.
You know it's often in domesticrelationships, whether it's
parent-child or spouses orpartners, whether it's
parent-child or spouses orpartners, we can see that.
But manipulation and neglectare sometimes harder to identify
(09:31):
, right, they can be more subtleand abandonment isn't always
physical abandonment, it's not.
Oh, my husband ran off 10 yearsago and left us.
Sometimes it's just emotionalabandonment and that can be very
, very harmful and very hurtful.
(09:54):
Gaslighting you know that'ssomething we hear about a lot
now.
Gaslighting is basicallyminimalizing or marginalizing
another person's concern orperspective or ideas and that
can have very traumatic effectsongoing when that gaslighting
comes from somebody you trust orsomebody you love, whether it's
(10:14):
your spouse or family member oryour doctor or your teacher.
These types of traumas frompeople who we trust can
definitely make us question alot of different things and
physical traumas right, if youget smacked around, if you're
(10:35):
raised in a physically abusivehome or if you marry into a
physically abusive relationshipor if you're in a type of
environment that is just justinvolves a lot of risky
behaviors where people get hurt,that can be very traumatizing.
So I don't want to just make itsound like, oh, it's all you
(10:56):
know abuse.
It's not just abuse, becausetrauma can be anything that
negatively impacts your life inany way right.
Right, I mean it can even berepeated.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know a miscarriage or repeated
miscarriages it could be traumaslike that, things that you have
no control over, and it's goingto eventually shape or change
the way you look at life.
If you aren't careful Becauseyou know whether it's a subtle
trauma or a less than subtletrauma, that does impact our
future behavior, we're going tohave different views of the
(11:32):
world and what we think is goodand right.
These experiences can changehow we cope with things, and we
may not cope with things as wellas we would have had.
We not experienced that, butthe beautiful thing is you can
learn from every experience howto be stronger, how to develop
better coping mechanisms.
So it's just important to beaware of the problem so you can
(12:03):
make sure you don't continue abehavior pattern, because you
don't want to continue to impactthe people around you and, once
again, not blaming people forwhat has happened to them, but
just learning how to change thatpattern behavior going forward.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And I think we can even see that on a national
scale, right.
So for people out there who arelike I, you know I've really
been spared from trauma andnothing bad's ever happened, and
kudos to you, you unicorn.
But I think we've all beentraumatized.
If you even just look at ournation, like, look at what COVID
shutdown did to people, right,how has that shaped our future
(12:43):
health or our futurerelationships, or our
expectations from people, fromgovernment, from doctors, from
coworkers, from bosses, friends,all of those things?
I think that you know there wasa fair amount of gaslighting
that went on.
I think there was a lot of fearthat helped drive a lot of
(13:06):
decisions and, yeah, that's atrauma, just like being in a car
accident.
It's a trauma like a sportsinjury and I, yeah, I think that
all of those things, somepeople, like you said, will
learn.
Those things some people, likeyou said, will learn, oh, okay,
(13:29):
well, I'm not going to respondthat way again, I'm going to do
this instead.
And but sometimes, when that,when we don't, when we're not
able to step outside ourselvesor we don't have the benefit of
outside counsel, we can developvery dysfunctional patterns of
response or coping that, likeyou said, will impact our future
(13:53):
health, our future health, soyeah.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Right?
Well, I mean you want to talkabout trauma.
Turn on the news.
All you're going to hear aboutand see about are traumatic
things, and they have a way ofbringing things to our attention
that are already frustrating.
I mean you just look atdisappointments in elections or
celebrations in elections thatis a traumatic thing for some
(14:15):
people right there.
Or looking at job losses acrossthe country, or you know, just
looking at all these differentthings that are already negative
, and if you turn on the news,they're going to just repeat and
repeat and repeat how negativethese things are.
That creates a stressedresponse to anybody.
Absolutely nobody can hear thatall the time and be okay.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's why I've always said social media is
traumatic.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It is.
You know there's this wholeaddiction that happens with
social media.
You always want to be on andsee what's happening, and most
of it isn't going to be positive, or the things that are
positive can still make you feelbad about what you are aren't
doing.
So that's a constant stressor.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
They're not trauma, but stressor, but that's where
you see a lot of bullying, too,is in social media, and not just
for children.
It's not like school bullying.
I mean it can be, but you seeadults in the gaslighting or the
bullying that causes people toquestion the value of their
existence, or should I live?
(15:17):
Or you get this real warpedsense of reality and sometimes
it's easy to look at stuff likethat, like I feel like I'm
grounded in reality and somebodyelse might look at me and go
you are so out there.
But, I feel like it's important,you know, to have real
relationships, to have outsidecounsel, but sometimes we do.
(15:40):
You know you talk about theselike collective, where as a
society or as a bigger group, wego through traumas that can be
helpful in forming a goodresponse.
Or it can go the wrong way andwe can end up with this mob
mentality or this, what do theycall it, mass formation
psychosis, you know, whereeverybody thinks really poorly
(16:03):
developed thoughts together, butit's kind of a mob mentality
and they've shown, like you know, you can get this mob mentality
where bad things happen to goodpeople but it was a force, if
you will, of multiples thatdrove a certain action or a
certain outcome.
And you can also see wheresomebody can stop that just by
(16:26):
saying whoa, whoa, whoa, no,let's do something different.
And if you people's minds openenough to counteract, you know,
whatever the trauma is or theimpending trauma, you can change
the course of a potentialtrauma or the coping mechanism
(16:48):
that's going to be developed.
Is it going to be constructiveor is it going to be detrimental
.
So, yeah, that's more societal.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I guess I'm talking more societal connection and
(17:18):
more stress, because you needcommunity and you need healthy
community to cope with life asit is, let alone when there's
traumas that you need to be ableto talk about and deal with.
Because if you can't, what dowe see every day Physical and
physiological side effects ofthose emotions.
Right For sure.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, because we'll see it.
It can manifest as behavioralproblems, like it could be ADHD,
it could be a person, it couldbe like schizophrenia, it could
be depression and anxiety.
There can be all kinds ofthings that come from trauma,
(17:53):
right, even chronic healthconditions, trauma, right, even
chronic health conditions.
And I think that when youconsider, like in Chinese
medicine, every organ has anemotional relationship.
And if you look at our majororgans and I'm not an expert in
Chinese medicine, but I know thebig ones I was talking to
(18:16):
somebody about this earliertoday, talking about kidneys and
the emotions that go along withkidney health or kidney
dysfunction, or fear andirritation, and so oftentimes,
when somebody has a kidneyproblem, you might be.
When somebody has a kidneyproblem, you might be.
(18:37):
If you're holistic and you'regoing in deep, you're going to
look for what are the fear,invoking situations in this
person's history or, you know,or current situation.
The stomach if you think aboutstomach, like what are some
common health problems we havewith our stomach Ulcers, reflux,
(18:58):
and what brings those things on, elena, stress, anxiety and
worry.
And so worry is where is seated, if you will, in the stomach.
And then we have our heart,which is the seat of joy we have
(19:18):
our lungs, which is the seat ofsadness and grief and one of
the things that really drivesthat home if you look at people
who've been together a long timeI think I've mentioned this
before on this podcast butpeople who've been together a
long, long time and one of thempasses, and this can even be.
It can be a child, it can be amarried couple.
(19:39):
I've seen it with people andtheir pets.
When one goes, or you lose yourpet, or you lose your spouse or
a child or a dear friend, it isvery common it is not normal,
but it is very common to see theperson left behind succumb or
really suffer with a lungproblem like chronic bronchitis
(20:03):
or pneumonia, things like that,and it's unresolved sadness and
grief.
The large intestine the bigthing we always think of with
large intestine, besides coloncancer, is constipation and I
can always remember this onebecause the emotion is feeling
stuck.
Go figure, yeah, go figure.
(20:25):
But those I feel like justunderstanding a little bit of
why we feel the way we feel.
So think about like if you'veever been sick, you know, and
you've thrown up so much thatnow you're just throwing up bile
, which is the bright greenstuff.
That bile is stored in yourgallbladder.
Your gallbladder is the organthat represents resentment and
(20:48):
bitterness, and bile is ratherbitter.
Your liver is the seat of angerand rage, and so you know, um
somebody with an angry liver, Ialways think of an angry drunk.
I mean, if you're an alcoholicand you're drinking a lot, it
does affect your liver a lot.
(21:10):
And then that anger, when youdon't resolve, turns into
bitterness and resentment, right, and so that's where the bile
gets stored in the gallbladder,and maybe it just stays there.
And when anger gets stored itbecomes resentment and
bitterness.
And so I think if we all kindof look at ourselves and go,
(21:34):
okay, what, I'm an angry person,or I tend to be, you know, a
worrier, or I'm depressed orwhatever, you'll often find some
physical connection to thatemotion and and trauma can be
something that leads you downthat path.
So it's kind of interesting,you know, from a health
(21:57):
standpoint, just to acknowledgethose relationships, because you
don't always know what camefirst, the chicken or the egg.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I know Is the drunk angry because his liver's bad or
because he's drinking that much.
So then he's in a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And that's yeah, I think that's a more accurate
tell on that whole situation isit becomes a very circular
dysfunctional cycle.
So, yeah, chronic healthconditions, um, behavioral
issues, and then even patientswho don't have like a solid
diagnosis which we get a lot ofthat here, right, like we'll get
(22:33):
somebody in here and it's like,well, I was told I had this and
then they said I had that andnone of it really fits and it's
not having.
It's people without thesereliable, solid diagnoses, but
they're suffering.
They're suffering every day inmany ways.
It can cost jobs, relationships, friendships.
(22:55):
It can cost financial securitywhere you're losing a home or
losing a car, things like that.
Those can be residual effectsfrom unresolved trauma, whether
it was an accident and youdidn't have health insurance, or
your husband left you, or youknow you were viciously attacked
(23:19):
and left for dead and youdidn't have health insurance, or
you know there was no justicein the justice system for you,
whatever that was.
Trauma can affect all of ourmajor life areas job, home,
friends, right, yeah yeah, lifeareas, job, home, friends, right
(23:40):
.
So yeah, even mere survival.
If you look at Maslow's Pyramid, it's our physical needs at the
very bottom, you know security,food and shelter.
When those things becomethreatened because of trauma,
wow, you know, we're in a realdesperate place and I think when
you look at homelessness inAmerica, I mean there's a lot
(24:02):
behind that, right, but how manyof those situations have trauma
attached to them?
Every single one.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Right, right, well, and you kind of touched on some
of the symptoms and conditionsthat are linked to trauma.
A big one is memory issues,because that's actually a
defense mechanism that ourbodies do for us.
You can block out some memoriesthat were too bad to remember
(24:29):
and you might not recall them.
I feel like oftentimes peopledo begin to recall as they heal,
because you've got to workthrough some of those memories.
But a lot of the mental healthdisorders we see were triggered
by some sort of trauma, be itschizophrenia or even depression
and anxiety, and PTSD is a bigone, and then all those lead to
(24:50):
sleep disturbances, insomnia.
That's a big problem and onceagain there's so many factors
that can go into insomnia.
But that is something thatpeople are going to deal with
when they've been through traumaand if you don't get good rest
it's really hard for the body toheal.
So we want to make sure we'recoming at that from every angle
possible.
But just having even chronicfatigue, you've done everything
(25:13):
but you can't seem to get overthat hump because there's
unresolved trauma in your lifeand that also leads to learning
disabilities like ADHD anddyslexia and hyper-focus can be
an issue, but I think addictionis one of the biggest things
people turn to or can, becauseyou need something to cope with
this thing inside of you thatyou haven't been able to talk
(25:36):
through or work through yet.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, and America, if nothing else, is the land of
band-aids, pharmaceuticalband-aids, and we can get you
addicted to anything and makeyou forget your trauma
momentarily, even sugar, yeah,especially sugar, but yeah.
So there are lots of copingmechanisms for all kinds of
(25:59):
triggers and there are all kindsof triggers that we've gone
through.
But the body's response totrauma, to triggers from past
trauma, those are things thatcan be very difficult to, I
think, fully resolve becausesometimes your brain will block
(26:22):
memories, right, and it's forself-protection.
So I know I learned like yourbrain's not going to remember a
trauma that your body's notready to resolve, whether
because the pain was too greator the it was just so traumatic
or so shocking, um, there's noway for the body to deal with it
(26:47):
.
And so, as a self protect orself-defense mechanism, brain
shuts that off.
And you look at people withamnesia after traumatic events
or bad car accidents and likethey don't remember anything
from maybe 15 minutes before thecar accident or two hours
before, and that's the brain.
(27:08):
That's the brain saying nope,nope, it's just better if you
don't know.
But then there are things, likeyou know, chronic stress.
I think chronic stress fromjust our day-to-day life can be
traumatic, right?
Because this leads to highcortisol levels.
Well, when you have highcortisol levels, you're going to
(27:28):
put on weight, which can betraumatic.
You're going to be wired andtired, which can be traumatic,
which leads to, like you weresaying, sleep problems and
insomnia and, over time, thenyou don't have motivation, or
you're constantly grabbing onfor control, like I've got to
(27:52):
control everything and everybody, and you feel that way because
you actually don't controlanything and it's all from some
trigger or some buildup ofvarious traumas.
That may not seem traumatic andthat wouldn't make the six
o'clock news, but it's stillthere.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, yeah, well, and making the six o'clock news.
You don't make it to that pointif you haven't been pushed to
the point of snapping becauseyou haven't been able to deal
with anything or have a properexpression up until that point.
Because once you've beenthrough a situation where you
have been hurt be it physically,emotionally, any which way,
(28:37):
you're not going to have thebest response to people around
you.
You're not going to have thebest response to just daily
stress around you.
Stress is going to impact youmore than an average person,
even though really I think theaverage person is carrying
around something.
But just remembering that thosebehaviors are going to affect
everyone else, it's a chainreaction.
(29:00):
If you are carrying this andyou have a skewed view of how
you should treat people or howyou should behave, it's going to
just continue from there.
So there's also the secondarygame.
Some people they benefit fromtheir trauma because it gives
them identity, it gives themsomething to cling to and I feel
(29:22):
like that's more of a victimmentality.
And you really want toacknowledge when you've been a
victim right, always know thatyou shouldn't have to suffer
alone or even carry the stressalone, but you don't want to get
stuck in a victim mentalitywhere, if you get better, who
would you be?
(29:43):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's not a healthy place.
No, it's not.
And I think too, like we usedto say well, a lot of people use
their diagnosis like theirsickness and they're more
(30:08):
interested in whatever valuethey gain from having that
sickness.
There have been people who'vecome in and maybe their symptoms
started with a trauma but thenthey didn't feel acknowledged
and I think sometimes that's it.
You know, back to this whole,the trauma that comes along with
abandonment.
(30:38):
You can get, you know physicalfeatures like maybe it's chronic
fatigue or maybe it'sfibromyalgia or some pain
syndrome or autoimmune condition, and you just keep going along
and you realize, oh, I actuallyget sympathy now my kids are
calling or my husband takesbetter care of me when I'm sick,
my husband takes better care ofme when I'm sick.
(31:01):
So where's the motivation for aperson who feels alone and
abandoned to get better when bybeing sick, they get more care?
And I think that, okay, I justmade that very black and white,
but when you're in it, whenyou're walking through that,
that is a very difficult thingto see and I think, as the
person with that secondary gain,it's very hard to drop that, to
(31:26):
say, you know, I'm going to letgo of that and I'm going to
work through my abandonmentissues because I want to be
better and I don't want to livewith this pain.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because I want to be better and I don't want to live
with this pain.
Yeah, because I don't thinkmost people make a conscious
decision to stay in that placeor get to that place.
It just happens.
It happens, it's subconscious.
Well, I don't know about most,but not everyone's going to be
that manipulative.
It's just they realize.
Oh, I do appreciate theattention I'm getting because I
do feel heard and I feel seen.
(31:57):
But that goes back to why youneed to have community.
You need to have community withpeople who can understand you
and love you the right way.
Otherwise you fall intopatterns.
In relationships that aren'thealthy, you can seek out
similar trauma that you've livedthrough and, once again, I
(32:17):
think it's a very subconsciousthing.
People don't realize they do ituntil they get to a healthier
place.
You can look back and see oh,wow, yeah, I was walking down
this path because it's one thatwas familiar to me.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think sometimes you can even see that in support
groups, where there are greatsupport groups and I am not
bashing support groups at all,but I've seen a few through the
years where it's like everybodyjust got stuck in their trauma
and it was just a weekly.
It wasn't support, it was morelike a pity party or it was a
(32:49):
let's all get down in the mudtogether and just stay here
because it feels realcomfortable and real familiar.
And I don't feel so alone in mytrauma when I'm with these
other people.
Nobody ever gets better, nobodyever learns a healthy coping
mechanism.
There's no resolution, there'sno way through Right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Right, and that's where you want to make sure
you're in a community that canapproach healing from trauma in
a complete way, because you haveto acknowledge it.
I think there are a lot oftimes, like I said, there's
clients you can work with whodon't realize that they had a
traumatic childhood or thatsomething about the way they
grew up or the last job theycame from wasn't normal.
(33:35):
And if you can't acknowledge it, you can't process it.
But the funny thing abouttraumas and the emotions that we
have with trauma is you have tomove through it.
You can't avoid it, you justcan't.
You can stuff it for years, butit's eventually going to come
out in some negative way oranother.
(33:55):
Even if it is grief eventuallygoing to come out in some
negative way or another, even ifit is grief right, grief can
turn the nicest people into veryugly, unpleasant people.
And once again, I don't blameanyone who's been through
something where they've lostsomething or someone.
But if you are not aroundhealthy people who can help you
be healthy, you can tend to justbring each other down.
(34:18):
And you know there's a lot ofum modalities and therapies that
you can do.
Um, sharon, what are some ofthe ones that you've seen that
are helpful.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh, there's so many and and I think, um, there's no
one guaranteed right, like thereare all these amazing things.
I was talking to a holisticpsychologist several months ago
and she was like we got to getpast just having talk therapy.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
We've got to do more.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And I went whoa, did you really just say that?
Because there is talk therapy,and I think talk therapy is so
valuable.
I know for myself, at variouspoints in my life I needed to
just verbally process with alicensed professional and it
(35:08):
helps you sometimes, justleading you to be able to able
to consciously acknowledge andthen process things.
Talk therapy, it's great, right?
There are things like EMDR,which is the eye movement,
desensitization, reprocessing,and this is one that's, I think,
(35:30):
fairly new on the scene.
Well, no, was it 80s, 90s?
I don't know, but I hear abouta lot more yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's becoming more common.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
A lot more people do it Now.
I have never done it myself,but I have talked to people who
have had very, very goodexperiences with it and, whether
it's grieving a loved one orresolving childhood trauma or
helping with addiction, I'veheard a lot of good feedback and
I've had some people say itmade everything worse.
And I think that's whereworking with a mental health
(36:08):
professional who can really helpguide you, based on their
clinical experience and theirknowledge and expertise, to a
modality that is going to bebeneficial for you and that
suits your belief system andyour lifestyle and just your
communication and your situationbut yeah, emdr is one.
(36:29):
There's emotional freedomtechnique, which I mean, I love.
Emotional freedom technique isan amazing free.
You can just go type it in asearch engine and it was made
free to the world by the man whodeveloped it and it's using
certain like neuro-lymphaticreflexive points and
(36:52):
affirmations and just differentways of classifying a stress or
a physical symptom that'sundesirable.
Um, you can to to help the bodyreprogram itself, if you will,
like my daughter got to when shewas this was a long time ago
and she was going to be aperforming student for a
(37:15):
professor from Juilliard at auniversity and it was like this
masterclass and she was ineighth grade and so it was.
It was a, it was a big honorand she was not really a stage
fright type kid Like she.
She'd get nervous, she'd get upthere and rock it and she was
fine and her hands were shakingso bad and I was like, oh well,
this is not good.
(37:35):
And I had my mom, who's reallygood with EFT, at her, do EFT
with her before she went onstage and she just she said it
calmed her down so much andshe's 13 at the time and she
(37:57):
just felt so more in control ofherself and more empowered to go
out there and do what she knewshe could do, and so that's
really good.
It's really good for physicalsymptoms headaches, migraines,
pain.
Eft can be useful for a lot ofthings.
There's, in fact, there's onNetflix there was, I think it
was Netflix, I don't know that.
I said that there was adocumentary series called Heal
(38:20):
H-E-A-L and they kind of talkabout using EFT to for people
going through cancer or peoplewho had, like, walked away from
traditional cancer therapieswhether it was because of money,
relationship issues or theywere feeling alone but EFT
played a role in their recovery.
Emotion code is huge.
(38:44):
There's a book One of myfavorites, yeah.
There's a book by a man named Iwas looking for it on my shelf
over here Dr Bradley Nelson, andhe kind of goes through the
emotion code.
Do you want to talk about theemotion code?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Well, sure, sure, because I love this one for
absolutely anybody and everybody.
It's not going to be the endall, be all, fix all, but it is
such a great tool to either havedone for you or to learn to do
for yourself.
And if you're sitting herelistening and wondering, I
wonder if I have any trauma orany emotions.
Hey, you all have emotions, weall have emotions.
(39:22):
I get emotion code done onmyself regularly.
I'll do it for myself sometimes, but I feel like it's helpful
to occasionally have someoneelse do it for you, kind of get
an outside point of view, butit's such a great one that you
could just try and see.
Huh, I wonder, if I releaseemotions, am I going to feel any
better?
Probably, I mean, I don't thinkI've had anyone not feel better
(39:44):
from it, because we do thesesessions in the office here.
But it's where we're justtesting through all the
different organs in the body andwhen we find an organ that
needs to be rebalanced, we testthrough emotions that are
contributed with that organ andthen we can find out if it's a
current situation, a pastsituation, and basically we're
(40:06):
just resetting your body'ssoftware and helping your body
have a normal response to thisemotion or this situation.
So it's a simple, simpletechnique.
There's really no rocket scienceto it.
We're just measuring where thebody's weak and reinforcing some
, I guess, vibrations.
You use a magnet.
(40:27):
The way we do it, you use amagnet over the governing vessel
of the head and it just resetsthe polarity there.
That's how I explain it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Well, and I think too , the interesting thing that
I've come to experience withemotion code doing it on other
people mainly is I may not knowthis person or know their
background and I don't reallydelve into counseling or that
kind of therapy with peoplebecause I'm here to take care
(40:57):
more of physical health.
But I acknowledge thatemotional health matters and
spiritual peace matters and wehave to have those conversations
.
But in doing emotion code, youstart to learn more about a
person's history because theymay not be aware of something.
But when you go, okay, we'vegot this fear, and it's fear
(41:19):
from your childhood or you knowwhatever it is, and and they're
like, oh well, you know, andthere'll be something that
stands out to that personinvariably.
And and then you can start tosee patterns in a person's life
where, if you ask that personbefore they ever started, were
you ever traumatized?
And they go no, no, no traumahere.
(41:40):
And then all of a sudden it'slike, wow, I did have trauma.
I didn't realize how itimpacted my life and now I feel
better about it.
So it's not that we wanteverybody to go through the muck
and the mire and sit there, youknow, and stew in it.
That's not the point.
The point is, like you said,let's give the body new
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information and a chance toreset, and that's a positive
thing.
And acupuncture can act verysimilarly because you know
you're dealing with conductivepathways through the body, which
in acupuncture are calledmeridians, and there are very
powerful points on the body thatyou can stimulate or tonify to
(42:24):
create new behavior.
I love acupuncture.
I have, you know, greatexperiences with it.
First time I ever gotacupuncture from well, that was
the first time I ever gotacupuncture from well.
That was the first time I evergot acupuncture, I think, like a
traditional five element umacupuncture treatment from, uh,
(42:46):
one of the best, and her name'sAmanda Milo, in Dallas.
She didn't pay me to say that,but I'm going to give her that
she's amazing.
But she worked on me and shedid the moxibustion and then she
did some liver stuff and I laidthere on the table and I was
okay, fine, everything's fine.
Well, I got in my car to go homeand I was the angriest I think
(43:10):
I've ever been in my whole life.
And I just got angrier andangrier as I drove home.
And I got home and I walked inand this was a long time ago.
My kids still lived at home andthey're like hey mom, how was
acupuncture?
I was like don't talk to me,don't talk to me, don't look at
me.
Something's wrong with me.
I think I'm going to commit acrime.
(43:30):
I'm just going to go shutmyself in my room because my
rational mind knows I should notfeel this way, but I really
want to hurt somebody.
And everyone was like whoa,something's really wrong with
mom.
And so I went to my room and Ijust I laid there and I let it
pass and it went away and I waslike what the heck?
And I didn't know what hadhappened.
(43:52):
I thought, did I get triggeredsomewhere?
And this is how littleself-awareness I'm capable of
having.
My husband came in and said Ithink the acupuncture did it to
you.
I was like, oh yes, that wouldhave been it.
She was on my liver, so.
But then I was fine when itpassed, then I was fine and and
I think acupuncture is sopowerful, so powerful.
(44:14):
And then of course we havemeditation, Just the mindful.
It's like the mindful emptyingout of your mind, right To give.
Sometimes it's just good forour nervous system to have a
moment of rest.
It's like turn off the lightsand have nothing, just be still.
You know, even in the Bible itsays be still, be still and know
(44:37):
.
And I think that we need to bestill in our daily life.
We live in such a highdistraction world.
In such a high distraction time.
It's so important, I think,meditation for mental health
because we need to remember whatit's like to be still.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
We need stillness and silence.
Yeah, if you don't create that,you won't have margin for
anything else.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
That's exactly it.
And then there's exercise andnutrition, of course, because if
you're eating garbage, guesshow your mind is going to work
Like garbage.
And exercise is just a greatway.
I think you have less angst andless pent up stress and emotion
when there's always a physicaloutlet.
(45:26):
And I think that goes for, youknow, for for having sex, for
going for a walk, for liftingweights, for riding your bike,
for rowing, dancing, right.
It's all an outward working ofinner energy, and so it's a good
(45:48):
, healthy thing to exercise, letit out.
And then, of course, talktherapy, somatic therapies and
psychedelics.
I mean, people use psychedelicsmany times to help work through
things.
I'm not advocating and I'm notarguing, but I do think there's
something there that should beinvestigated more thoroughly,
(46:10):
and the goal, of course, is justto create a new, positive
memory by revisiting a trauma orclearing that trauma.
I think, ultimately, in any ofthese things and I'm sure I've
left out a universe ofmodalities, right, but these are
ones that we see frequently.
(46:30):
What did I leave out, elena?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I mean I can't think of anything offhand.
Those are the big ones that Iknow that we have either
experienced or seen positiveresults from.
It's just, it's a whole bodyapproach.
You know you can't just dophysical health, you can't just
approach emotional health orspiritual health.
It is all of it.
(46:54):
You have to do all of it.
But I think what's interestingto note too, it's like we talked
about talk therapy being veryhelpful, and I think that's a
great starting place for peoplesometimes because they don't
know where to go, nor do theyhave the motivation to start
doing any other kind ofself-help or self-healing.
And so, whether it's you wantto start with nutritional
(47:16):
counseling or talk therapy justgetting put in motion, you've
got to get in motion, you've gotto know you need help to be
able to seek the help out andthen get accountability.
And that's where we come inwith our little bit of knowledge
.
With the emotions, just doingemotion code or emotional
(47:36):
clearings.
We're just the beginning point,but we always want to make sure
in the scope of our practicethat we're helping you be the
healthiest person you can bephysically, so you can think
better and process better as yougo through the emotional
aspects of life.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, when you were talking earlier, I was thinking
about that.
I don't know why it came intomy mind, but you remember that
little rhyme that you would do.
We did it in school it was.
It was to teach rhythm anddifferent sounds with the body
and it was like we're going on abear hunt.
Um, come into a forest, oh look, there's a lake.
(48:15):
Can't go over it, Can't gounder it, Can't go around it.
Got to go through it andthere's all these different
obstacles.
I feel like trauma should be inthat, because you can't Trauma
heck yep, there's a trauma.
Can't go over it.
You can't go under it, you gotto go through it.
(48:51):
You're going through and wedon't have people who are
interested in us or care aboutus to speak into our lives.
That can be a hindrance toaddressing trauma, and that is
also a reason that it'simportant to have community.
(49:11):
And it's hard to have community.
It's easier now than it used tobe, right, four years ago.
But people have lost communityand that in and of itself is
traumatic.
And so finding a group ofpeople with similar ideas
whether it's your church or yoursports team or, like we do,
monthly gatherings here, becausewe and we've gotten to watch
(49:34):
some friendships form frompeople who you know wanted
community, who, whether theywere transplanted here or
whatever you know, lived hereand just needed more like-minded
people we were able to helpthem find that.
And and I think that havinghaving community helps us to
(49:55):
have a little betterself-reflection and
self-awareness and trauma neverstops happening.
Trauma is not normal.
Trauma is very common.
I think it's universal in thatpeople on the other side of the
world are going through the sametrauma as we are, maybe a
different flavor, but it's thesame.
(50:15):
It's the same thing.
And it's that whole idea thatthere's nothing new under the
sun, right?
We're all going through thingsthat everyone has gone through
before us.
So it's just so important tohave people who can help you
acknowledge and then having away to process, who can help you
(50:39):
acknowledge, and then having away to process, and then part of
that processing is recognizingthe role of the trauma in your
life so that you can grow fromit, because ultimately we do
want to grow from it.
I know, for me, losing a parentto suicide is traumatic and it
doesn't matter at what point inlife that happens.
(51:03):
It's something.
Then you, you have to process,and part of it is okay.
What happened on?
You know, my father committedsuicide and and I watched him
and beforehand you would havenever thought.
But now, on the other side, Ithink what are those steps in
the path that I can now identifythat maybe I need to be aware
(51:27):
of in my own life so that Idon't go down that path?
And I think that's a big trauma,but there are other ones right,
like addiction.
That's a big trauma, but thereare other ones right, like
addiction.
How can I prevent myself frombecoming an addict, like my
blank, blank, blank was, or Iused to be, addicted to this and
(51:47):
it caused this trauma in mylife, and how do I change my
behavior now or how do I reframeor reset so that I don't go
down that path again?
It's part of human growth, it'sa part of the human experience
and it's part of becoming abetter person and living a
better life and a healthier liferight.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Right.
And it's just havingself-awareness and understanding
what choices you need to make,like if you need one of the
modalities we mentioned, or ifyou've tried one and it didn't
do anything for you.
It didn't help, it didn't work.
Or maybe you went to counselingand you didn't go to a good
therapist.
You know that makes me so sadwhen people have tried that
(52:28):
Neither it wasn't a goodtherapist or it wasn't a good
fit and they think, yep, well,that's not going to help.
Or hey, I tried meditating onetime.
It's not going to, didn't doanything, it's not going to help
.
You got to keep trying.
You just have to keep workingtowards improving your health in
every way.
Work towards improvingrelationships.
Or, if you have unhealthyrelationships, get away from
(52:49):
those in your life.
You want to be around peoplewho are going to help you be
your best self, not bring outyour worst self.
And when it comes to familymembers, you know you don't get
to choose your family, but youcan choose your friends, who
become what I call framily.
You know, if you don't have ahealthy family life, find people
who can be your friends and becloser than the dysfunctional
(53:12):
relationships in your family,because ultimately, the way
you're going to be successful inlife is if you have that to
build you up so you can keepworking and fighting for your
best self.
So just keep working on findinga method that's going to work
for you.
Don't give up, don't lose hope,and if you're listening to this
(53:33):
, maybe it resonated with you,or maybe it resonated with you
in regards to someone else inyour life, because I go back to
that like you, don't know who'ssuffering from what, and I find
some of the most frustratingpeople that have been in my life
.
If I ever took the chance toget to know a little bit about
them, there's almost always anaha.
That's why this happened tothem.
Or maybe they made a choice andthere were consequences and
(53:57):
they're suffering from that.
But whatever it is, there'salways a reason.
So continue to work on youbeing your healthiest, happiest,
most whole self, and you'regoing to bring that out of the
people around you.
Iron sharpens iron.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
It does, and I think that that's a really important
thing, because the end goal isnot just me and it's not just
you, but we're supposed to makethe world a better place.
Now, if I'm garbage, actinglike garbage and swallowing in
my garbage, I will never, ever,never ever be able to shine
light or share joy or create joyor help the world around me,
(54:41):
and and I think that even goesback to, like a lot of you know,
wallowing in our traumaSometimes one of the things that
helps us to get out of it isjust to go do something for
somebody else.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah, and that is part of iron, sharpening iron.
So I think you know, for ourlisteners out there, definitely,
you know think about, okay, youknow acknowledge your trauma
and then let's find solutions.
And we're here to help peoplefind solutions.
And this is something we can do, whether you live in North
Texas or the Dallas area orwherever.
(55:14):
I mean we have virtualappointments that we do, and we
do work with people all over theworld.
But this is something to it'sso important because if you want
to just feel better, then fine,let's fix the physical symptoms
.
If you want to heal, then youhave to address the emotional
component and develop spiritualpeace, because without those
(55:38):
things you're never going tohave true healing and experience
great health.
Right, that's right.
I think this is probably wherewe should end.
I hope that you all found thisinformation to be valuable.
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