Debating the Highs and Lows of Today's Video Game Releases

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bada bing, bada boom, woolly, woolly kazoo.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello, we are live, we are live.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Oh, that was live.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Okay, gentlemen, how we doing.
That was doing great, yeah,yeah starting off the year good,
still positive vibes.
Yeah, new Year's resolutionsintact.
Not me, I don't really, I don'tdo my new year's resolution is
to be healthy.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm working on it, but it's a work in progress.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Are you more healthy than what you were when the
years started?
It's a work in progress.
Well, let's, I think we want tostart the discussion off today
with our Games of the year.
Yes, obviously, baldur's Gate 3kind of took All the awards a
lot of a lot of them, yeah.

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A couple people feel like somethings got snubbed.
Other people feel like thatBaldur's Gate should, should
have gotten even more.
In some cases it's kind ofinteresting with Baldur's Gate
it's not really in LarianStudios, it's not really an
independent student like anindie studio.
There's hundreds of employeesthere, right, and so I don't

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maybe not hundreds, but likemaybe a hundred thousand, so
it's millions.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
That much, so it's not that much.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
So it's not.
You can't really call it likean indie game.
I wouldn't call Baldur's Gate 3an indie game.
Would you call it a triple-atitle?
I Would.
I would probably call it atriple-a title there.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I mean I would say they're indie up until now.
Now, now they're not indieanymore.
It's same thing that happenedin CD project red.
They were indie up untilWitcher 3.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Even between from Witcher 1 and 2.
Huh, I would say so, I meanthink about the just.
You don't think would you evenhear about?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I mean that was rated as one of the greatest RPGs of
all time but it was still a veryniche like it was a CRPG.
Very niche like it wasn't likeit was.
I mean the differences For thecommon gamer.
Everybody's heard of Baldur'sGate.
How many people heard ofDivinity Original Sin 2 that
wasn't in that realm already.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
That's true.
Yeah, that's a very good point.
Divinity Original Sin and brokeonto the mass market.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
They have 450 employees, so I don't know when.
At what point does that becomeTriple-a studio?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think probably what would.
How would we define it?
Over a hundred employees, Imean over a hundred, that's even
, that's so massive.
Still Obviously, obviously,you've got business operations
and you've got other stuff goingon as well, but like over a
hundred employees, that'ssignificant, that's substantial.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
But then it's also hard because it's like what Like
would you count Star Citizen asa triple-a game development
company?
Yeah, yeah, wait, I wasthinking.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I thought I was thinking Starfield.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I was like, I was like Starfield, yeah, star.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Citizen.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's an interesting question because it's a game in
in like endless alpha right.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I would say it's a triple-a game, but it's not a
triple-a studio.
Okay cuz.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Baldur's Gate was also an alpha for not.
I'm not even comparing the two,but I'm just saying Baldur's
like I do.
Would you define a triple-astudio as a company that
releases a full game like that,or Can you have a game that's an
alpha?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I would say what makes a triple-a studio is like
where it in it in and of itselfis a brand in in which, when
they can release a game like,all they have to do is announce
that they're working on aproject and Lots of people get
stirred up and it inspired andlike, oh my god, I can't wait to
play it you guys are awesome.
That to me, is what like.

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What could I would?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I would have could be wrong on this too.
So I mean, don't quote me onthis, but I think that's
Baldur's Gate.
Baldur's Gate is when they didrelease an alpha.
It was literally only the firstact, like you couldn't go
beyond act one, and so that,technically, is like a really

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big demo.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yes, not like a You're right I, you could only
do up to act you can completeact one.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Listen to this.
I mean, you just pulled up heretoo.
This is this is such a broaddefinition for triple-a game.
It's more about the publisherthan high budget, high profile
games that are typicallyproduced and distributed by
large, well-known publishers.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
So, yeah, I understand, I think the game
Baldur's Gate 3 has made them atriple-a studio.
I don't think I would agree forthis.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
So I would say it was a high budget game.
They.
They were their own publisher,though, right, yeah, they didn't
work through another publisher.
Yeah, they're, it's just a.
So I don't know if I couldconsider this a Major publisher.
I wouldn't call considerlayering it up until this point
now it now, of course, it mightbe a Major publisher, but I

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don't know.
It's kind of like a weird,weird designation.
Again, we talked about that.
We, you could do this withanything.
Right, we could do this withtriple-a.
What does that mean?
We could do this with what'swhat's really an RPG, what's an
action game?
You?
know like when we try to definethat, it's like well, actually,
because of this element,role-playing games just sort of
blend into each other.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I think, more than any other genre, role-playing
games have the most subgenres ofany genre.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Probably.
It's insane.
It's such a general term.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's like like.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Elden Ring is an RPG, baldur's Gate is an RPG, but
those could not be any moredifferent than each other.
Like it, john.
Rpgs is such a broad genre,it's crazy.
Yeah it's not.
Like you know, halo's a shootercalled Do you the shooter?
The game it's.
The games themselves are verydifferent, but the Concept is

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the same as the far as like the,the bones of it, you know.
But the bones of Baldur's Gateis nothing like Skyrim.
Or, you know, elden Ring orPokemon or like those are all
RPGs, they're the same game.
They're all the same game.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
So our games of 2023.
Mm-hmm, what was?
Instead of just making it likeone and we have to call it out
and like define it, why don't wejust talk about the games that
we love playing?
Yeah, what if we just did that.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
You could do that.
I still feel like we shouldpick our top.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, I have to talk about it for hours, but sure.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Who wants to go first ?
Let's just do what we always do, sorry.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I'll go first.
I so I had to do a quickrefresher here and just see what
games actually came out, andthen we just pulled up here on
the screen the games that cameout as well, and I'll try and
there's actually a few.
So I'm glad Billy said likethat we are gonna.
You know that we're gonna talkabout our favorite games, not
just one, but I probably five,five list.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, I could probably pick five.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's good.
That's good Talking about itand thinking about it.
The game that, like I playedthe most and If that's how I'm
gonna define my favorite, likeis I.
I went through.
It's gonna be dead space.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I was actually just looking at that and I was like
Mandela did, like that it was I.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I beat it on the hardest difficulty and I did two
more playthroughs after that toget the secret ending, and so I
did a total Like fourplaythroughs of the story and I
just had so much fun.
I can't wait for dead space to.
I hope they do that, but, um,so I would say that's my top one
, like if I had to choose onedead space, even though it is a

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remake.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I think that was your favorite game to play in 2023.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I think so and I I think it's an amazing remake too
.
It's not.
It's not a piece of garbagelike what's an example of a
piece of garbage remake we'vehad recently.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Prince of Urge.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
That one didn't even come out.
They said yeah, throw thatdemon back in the fire kingdoms
of Amalur the rewrecking.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, that was the same game the game is called
kingdoms of Amalur reckoning,and the remake was called
kingdoms of Amalur therewrecking Is it?
I don't think there was anoticeable change.
No, problem?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Probably not so after that I would say Probably
spider-man was what I was mosthyped for.
I enjoyed it a lot, but I'mactually I'm not gonna rate them
number one through five, butthat one would probably be lower
on my list just in in stayingpower.
I don't know it.
They released it still doesn'thave new game plus and it

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doesn't have a bunch of featuresfrom the first spider-man or
even Miles Morales.
So I don't, until that comesout, it's kind of dead to me
right now.
Like I played through it, Ihundred percent of it got the
platinum done, but other thanthat, armor.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
I was about the first one too true, no.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
but then they had a new game plus.
I was like, let me go backthrough it Armored core.
Really good, I love that game.
I now was not shocked.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
He didn't say that instead of a.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Instead of you were pretty hyped about that.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well yes, but I feel like you were having so much, I
think you just didn't talk aboutthat space as much as because
it was.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
We already remake.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, I've already been through it.
It wasn't like it was brand newbut that space was so good.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Oh, the systems they added, like they added, I think
it's like called the terrorDirector or something like that
too, and what it does is, everytime you enter a room, it's like
a, it's a AI, but it's not it's.
You know it's.
It's designed to creep you out,so it has this whole algorithm

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bait in play, where it's likewe'll play this creepy sound
when he comes in.
Every time you enter room, thealgorithm figures out what it's
gonna do, and it's alwaysdifferent.
So every replay You're alwaysgetting scared.
It's always new.
Yeah, there's always.
Like you'll walk into a roomthat's smoking, it's never smoky
.
You're like, okay, this is alittle weird.
Right After armored core, Iwould then go to probably final

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fantasy.
Yes, red fall, final fantasy 16, that XB one yeah, that I
really enjoyed.
And now that I'm watchingthrough Game of Thrones, they
stole so much.
Oh, yeah, they stole so much,or I guess not stole but
inspired by, like it's,plagiarism.
But I did really enjoy that oneand I I never finished it.

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I've.
I'm surprised I did because ofhow long it is and how like
story Heavy it is, but I enjoyedthe story and the main thing
was the kaiju fights for me.
I was like give me more ofthose and I'm good.
And then I mean I'd see a bunchof other good games on here,
but those I would say those aremy top contenders.
Resident Evil 4 was good I.

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Super Mario's Bros Wonder is isfun.
It's Mario game.
Hogwarts legacy was amazing,but it kind of it sucks because
it came out like at the verybeginning of 2023, so it's lost
fresh yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, I was like February or thank you when it
first came out.
All right, billy, already thatlong ago.
So looking at this list, Iplayed wo long and that's
definitely at the bottom my list.
I think there was like 12.
There was like 12 stars longhated it.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Let me, let me choose my bottom.
Yeah, let's see, it would beout of up there.
Star for that, honestly.
You didn't mention legends overoh.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
You played the show that.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Zelda was good shoot, that would go my list.
But Starfield, yeah, I playedexactly like 40 minutes of it
and I was like this is ass.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
And then I haven't picked it up since I got it for
free on game pass imagine adeveloper and like all the team
that's worked on that for likeseven years, to Like bring this
vision and then they sell to youand it's like please, I can't
wait for you to enjoy this, youknow, and you play it for 40
minutes.
That means that was almost adollar a minute.

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Well no.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I get you playing game pass.
Thankfully, so it was free.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well long was definitely a disappointment.
I was actually I got like kindof weirdly on the hype train for
this game he did, and I playedthe, the beta, and then I played
the game and you know, honestly, like the, the mechanics of it,
coming from like a traditionalsouls background, were fun
enough, but it did not captureme and then some of the fights I

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did not like.
I Did not like some of theencounters and the movements and
stuff.
It felt a little janky.
But that was.
That's definitely at the bottomlist.
It was just not, it wasn't forme.
I wouldn't say it's a bad gameand just it wasn't for me.
At what you know, I thinkthere's plenty of people who
enjoyed it, but I also thinkthere was a lot of people who
kind of were like what the fuck?

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They felt like the layouts andthose.
Some of the default buttons,especially for like mouse and
keyboard, were very kind ofquestionable.
But the same shit for EldenRing.
So let's be real, like to do aspecial weapon on an Elden Ring.
I think I had a hold shift leftclick right click twice.
It was like to get the, to getthe flame animation from my Sort

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of night and flame or whatever.
Like six things you have to hitto get it to go.
I Loved Hogwarts legacy like Ilove, loved it.
It was so much fun.
I had a great time playing thatgame.
It was super buggy when itfirst came out, but the bugs
weren't like.
It wasn't like you're crashingbugs, there was just quirky,

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weird lag.
Your clothes were like yeah, inyour face and it didn't for
whatever reason, because I washaving so much fun.
It didn't diminish the the thegameplay experience and the
gameplay about that game wassome was so Fluid and fun and
that's coming from love that.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yes, that's all gameplay.
Yeah, that's so much fun and Ifelt like the.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
It was one of those games that I if you're on paper,
I probably would.
I would have take issue withsome of the stuff, with the way
it ultimately turned out.
I was fine with it because Ilike to be able to kind of play
however.
I want from the beginning and Imean in Hogwarts legacy you're
unlocking spells Up until likethe last two or three missions,

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like you're constantly curatingyour build, but the combos and
the different stuff you could doand the different stuff you
could do to trolls versus thedifferent things you could do to
bandits and what they were weakto and how you could Kind of CC
and control them.
It was so fast-paced, it was soaggressive, it was so much fun.
It felt very athletic and fastand I was not expecting that

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from a Hogwarts legacy game.
And the world building theworld building was really good.
I actually felt like I wasrunning around Hogwarts and I
didn't mind doing like more ofthe tedious collection stuff
seems like All right yeah, andlike the, the open world felt it
didn't feel like Overwhelminglylarge for now, no necessary

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purpose.
I felt like they give you reallyreasonable travel options early
on, like you get your broomkind of early but then you can
get like the what's?
It's like the dragon thing thatyou ride on.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's a hippogriff.
Yeah, you're right, it'stalking about fake shit here.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
So One's like a mammal.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
It was just like a, though.
The world building was Veryrefreshing and surprising for a
game of its type.
So, and also really like that,that game gets a super thumbs up
wife approval, because it's alot of fun for them to watch or
even play with you.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
So I was just someone that isn't even particularly
Harry Potter fan.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I'm not.
No, I'm usually very criticalof it and I I had a lot of fun.
It didn't feel you and again itwas another setting of where
you're kind of following thelives of a kid.
But it wasn't.
It wasn't a kid setting, youknow, like you were dealing with
adult themes.
It was not like, well, he'spicking on me and I need to get
the new muffin to get him to notpick on me anymore and there's

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Spider-Man does, get you thischocolate chip muffin.
I love that mission.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's great after he fights Venom.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
He gets to find any muffin Cuz he's a bully.
You get muffins out.
Yeah, anyway, it was just.
I felt like it felt very adultthemed and it was refreshing,
very fun and that where you cansay something, oh so, but the
game that I played the most,that would probably take this.
Take my Well.

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Actually I think I should givea nod to Liza P.
Liza P also a souls like muchbetter than will long,
definitely heavy on the Perrymechanic World building very
interesting.
Felt very Dark souls to asksblood-borne ask, excuse me,
blood-borne ass.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I was gonna say he chooses dark souls to over.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
No, it's blood-borne ask in terms of like the theming
and a lot of the pathing.
It's about no yo yeah, and it'skind of like a cool.
Yeah, it's kind of like a cooltheme, like they definitely did
a really good job with theirthematic setting and it was
interesting.
I just didn't like the.
I Didn't like each.

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There was like three majortypes.
I don't really remember themoff the top my head, but like
there was like puppets and thenthere was like minions and it's
not like the puppeteers orHunters or something like that.
Like there was.
There was three themes and youkind of had it.
Each boss had their weaknessand you had to play into that
for that fight.
And I I usually like to set myplaystyle, get really
comfortable with that and kindof roll with that.

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They kind of forced me tochange and I did.
I was kind of iffy on that, butI played through the game, got
all the way to the end and itwas.
It was enjoyable.
It's on a game pass, sodefinitely recommend anybody to
check that out.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Was Jiminy Cricket in it?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yes, actually I think he is.
He sings you a song, really no.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
He got so happy for it.
What, what is it?
I gotta play.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Baldur's Gate 3 was okay.
I I enjoyed the.
The play was okay.
I enjoyed the playthrough.
The combat was actually a majorletdown for me, like the
gameplay side of it whencompared to Divinity original
sin, which I felt like was waymore, had much more depth to the
kind of divinity isn't based onD&D.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
It's literally just D&D.
Yeah, all the same rules.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
So that's why you probably don't like it as much
and I really like I Divinityoriginal sin, I I jumped off a
cliff or I took a deep divebecause there was so many Combo
stuff.
You had multiple action pointseach round and you could set up
these really detailedcombinations where you're
setting oil field, then you likethe oil field on fire.

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And D&D, like our Baldur's GateI, kyle said follows much more
of like a D&D style, so likeit's much more.
I felt like you had to do moreprep work to get into a fight
and in Baldur's Gate I was kindof just playing authentically
and kind of running into fightsversus.
I saw a lot of people playingonline.
It's like, alright, make sureyou dip this arrow in fire, hide

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in this bush, place this othercharacter over here, and it was
like I kind of just want to getin there and get into a fight,
like an authentic fight, insteadof just prepping for this super
, you know elite strategy orwhatever, and kind of just
Experience the fight organically.
I felt like had those optionsmore so and Divinity original
sin and less so.
In in Baldur's Gate, I stillplayed the hell out of it and I

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got I think I finished act to,not sure if I got.
I don't know if I got to actthree fully, but I I enjoyed it
it was.
It was really fun game, bugfreed at launch.
It's good.
But the game for me that tookthe takes the candle, marvel's
Spider-Man 2.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I knew it, he's been playing it this whole time, kyle
blood bull three.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Redfall yeah, minecraft, no Diablo for the re
re, re release my crap.
I think I put in like 200 hoursinto into Diablo, for I.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Grinded the shit out of one of the new class coming
out Still no announcements.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I think they have.
I think the new class comeswith their expansion that
they're selling.
Their season 3 comes out soon.
I didn't play really theirother seasons content.
I got to level 100 before theirseasons dropped.
I grinded that out.
I even did it before, like thedungeon rework where they jumped
experience up like by 3x.

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I think I had level 100 likewithin two weeks of launch,
maybe even a week.
I Loved it.
I love the, the combat system.
Oh, they just had an updatetoday where you can finally, on
mouse and keyboard, move withWASD.
So instead you don't have toplay the game.
Yes, wow, I know I'm actuallythat that change alone Might

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make me go back and just try itout.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
What was the game?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
released Uh June of last year.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Took them that long it wasn't on there.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
It wasn't on there I don't think it was something
people are really fighting for.
Well, you go on the subreddit.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
People are pissed off and it's like and then?

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I'm seeing because it's added.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah and I'm like why would you?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
get curious.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
It's just, it's an option, you don't have to do it,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I don't know, because I didn't like it or a game.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I didn't like having to click to move and then also
click to to use a spell.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
I have an MMO mouse.
It's losing the board.
Yeah, it's losing it's soul.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I don't get it.
The whole point of an actionARPG or actually ARPG, okay, and
that it's not a CRPG, it's anARPG is that you're doing things
in an incredible efficientmanner, and it's not turn-based.
Yeah, so it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
It a click to move?
Feels weird in the nonturn-based game yeah and, like
some of the pathing could likeall their game makes sense.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, because everything's turn-based yeah so,
but I had, I had so much fun inthat like crying kind of theory
crafting.
Come with my own builds.
My builds always suck comparedto like some people who have
been playing all of the Diablogames and but I'll tell you,
when I hit like level 80 and Ifinally got that, the rain mint
of Something of rain andsomething rain mint.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
It was a chest piece.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think, yeah, something.
And it basically made it towhere every time my teleport, I
used my teleport, which is likea basic skill that your sorcerer
uses for great moment, it wouldstun and suck in enemies
towards you, and so you wouldjust like it would have this
like pulling effect, it wouldstun them.
And then there was all thesemultiplicative damage dealers I

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would.
I went from like being reallybad and kind of not enjoying the
sorcerer class to absolutelySmashing everything, and it was
so satisfying when every reallybad.
When I finally got that, I wouldsay it was like a below average
experience because sorcerer atlaunch was really underpowered
and Undertuned.
But when I finally got that,that chest piece I think it was

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oh Dude, it changed my entireexperience in that game it was.
I remember I sent a photo toyou guys.
I was like fucking fine.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Look at all the damage I'm doing because I was
just grinding.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
So yeah, that was long-winded, but Diablo 4 I you
know, for all of itsShortcomings, it did a great job
of giving me a great experienceand I definitely got my money's
worth, but it didn't do a greatjob of keeping me long-term,
because I really don't feel likeI have enough.
There's not enough content forme to go back to it right now
live service yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I Enjoyed the story of Diablo 4, but once I beat the
story it's kind of about all Ineeded to really play Okay but
remember that one Scene at theend of the story, where which
one, the guy, steps near thepillar and he fucking dies.
I Like, I can't think of themboth, both of the elders in that

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group.
Yeah, fucking bitch out at theend.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Like I remember when I saw it I was like what?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
after everything, we survived.
You got groped by a pillar andthen that killed you.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
I Did like Diablo 4, but I don't think that it it
cracks my my top five for thisyear.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, I well, I, to be fair to the game, I only
played However long it took meto beat it 25 hours maybe 40.
It was probably more than that,but it wasn't a lot, you know,
and Because you got to like whatlevel 50?
Yeah, I got to level 50 andthen I then I called it.
Going through dungeons was awas hard with this guy.

(25:18):
You know, especially, especiallywhen you're trying to do a lore
playthrough.
All right in the head, allright, guys, come on.
He's like all right, we're inand I'm like reading, like
watching a cutscene and you'relike boss, is that 25%?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
health.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I'm not even near you .
Where are you at right now?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Alright, we're done with the dungeon guys.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
We're like and I haven't even got out of the
first room.
Yeah, I'm still talking to theit's all about efficiency rinse,
repeat, it's all about going.
I didn't get.
You didn't even give me achance to soak in the
environment.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I know well you were playing what you couldn't decide
on what you wanted to play.
Would you end up re-rolling asDruid, true it?
That was your main, then right,you didn't like the way they
look like.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, I didn't like.
He's big boy.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
You wanted to be a ugly road build.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I did, but I didn't like the same thing.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I am, in every RPG, a Barbarian warrior.
I'm always.
I'm either a warrior or, ifit's an option, barbarian and
every everything I play.
Um, alright, so my list, firstone I'll talk about is probably
one that might Surprise you guys, but Octopath Traveler too.
Whoa, I bought that game on a.

(26:24):
Really that's where I got.
Really really swear to God.
Wow, I bought that game on awhim.
Surprise, it was on sale.
It was like 75% off, so it'slike five bucks and I went
through and I beat that in likea week and I actually really
thoroughly enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's like a 16-bit RPG.
Um kind of a retro style.
Yeah, like Final Fantasy, right.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah and uh you play through a story of um, you're
all there's eight people, sothat's what the name Octopath
comes through Um, and you playthrough their story.
You pick like a main person,but you play through their story
.
They're all trying toaccomplish the same goal set in
this really cool kind of Uh,fictional world where there's

(27:11):
all these different styles in it.
So there's like there's likethis like western area, there's
this more traditional like, uh,japanese, like sword play type
area and like.
Then there's like high fantasyarea and they all kind of meet
and it's just, um, not typicallythe type of game that I, I know
like, would like and play, butI Bought it.

(27:32):
It was a lot of fun and, uh, Iactually played through it twice
, so that, um, I would recommendthat game to anyone that likes
that style of game.
The next one I'm going to trythat's kind of like that which I
hear is getting a lot of goodreviews to see a star, so I
think I'll.
I'll be checking that out next,but I haven't played it, so I
can't put that on my list.
But, uh, the other one that Iliked a lot, um, I don't need to

(27:57):
talk about it too much becausewe've already spent a lot of
time on this.
But spider-man 2, of course, um, but I'm thinking with you.
I played through it and, um, Ihaven't played it since I beat
it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
I want to like I I'm itching for a reason to, but
right now there's no reason thisone, this game, I will say I
didn't like it as much as thefirst one.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, first one was the first one.
I feel like the story wasbetter.
What was missing?
Um, I don't know, there'ssomething.
This sounds silly, but I feellike the first one was a lot
better at making you feel likespider-man.
I think I'm thinking like thisone.
It had a decent story, but theychanged a lot of did?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
they just expect you to, like Already, feel that way
because you played the first oneand potentially I.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I really liked so the the best part about it for me
was um Craven finally got likeuh, the respect that he he was
owed.
Um, I really like Craven as avillain.
Um, I thought that venom was alittle bit weaker than I was
hoping for and I feel like his,his arc was Kind of it almost

(29:02):
felt a little rushed at the end.
Yeah it felt like it was reallytacked on to the end and I felt
like they didn't need to haveVenom in there per se.
I feel like they just had himin there to kind of sell the
game, but they would have beenfine making it an all Craven
game and what's your opinion?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think part of the being spider-man Is you need
like the sinister six, but theykilled Some of them all like the
first one.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
It felt.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
It felt like classics by because you were fighting
shocker, you're fighting vulturerhino.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
You fought the finish , the sinister, the finster six.
You fought the sinister six.
You were peter.
You relied on literally onlyyourself.
Um, I felt like in the secondone, peter just got his ass
kicked a lot and he's constantlygetting saved, even with the
venom suit, and like For storyreasons, they needed to have a
reason for miles to be important.
Like I love miles, but like Ididn't like that.

(29:57):
It almost felt like his job wasjust to rescue peter all the
time.
That's what it felt like to me.
Um Now, that being said, stilla fantastic game.
Still fantastic game.
I would probably give it eightand a half nine out of ten.
Yeah and uh, if you likespider-man, there's no reason
why you wouldn't like that game.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It just feels like it's just compared to the first
one.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's a step down a little bit gameplay wise, it's a
step up, but story wise, stepdown.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Combat and traversal way better, so much way the
wingsuit and you just zippingaround and I people like, did
you do feel like spider-man?
It's like, well then, don't useit.
It doesn't, for it's the samething, diablo, yeah the whole
separate.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's like fictional character.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, I need to fly between.
Like it doesn't make sense.
I don't feel like spider-man,unless I'm swinging.
It's like the the traversal.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
That's part of the reason why, um, I liked Phantom
liberty when they introducedlike the, the zip of boost thing
.
Yeah, I'm constantly justdouble jumping and zipping
everywhere I go and my characteris basically moving across the
map at like 50 miles an hour,like I can't imagine just
walking normally in that gamenow, that'd be just a waste of

(31:09):
time.
Um, the next one on here Ireally really liked and this
this was, I guess I never hadany problems but it had a kind
of a rough launch.
But, um, jedi survivor andyou're gonna say that I really
like Jedi survivor.
I Uh only played through itonce, but I did do a lot of
playing Like after that, um, Ialmost hundred percent of it,

(31:32):
but then I think something elsecame out and it took my
attention away.
Um, but I really liked thatgame.
I like I liked the first game inthat series.
I feel like this one was a stepup, story wise, um, gameplay
wise, it was similar.
Uh, only downside is I feltlike it was kind of weird.
It needed like a story reasonfor you to learn really basic

(31:53):
force powers up.
Yeah, like um it.
It felt like, um, it kind ofPut unnecessary roadblocks in
the story on some of the thingsthat, like he had to recall his
training to learn how to dowhatever.
It was like something reallysimple, like use, force up or
whatever, and I'm like I don'tknow he was using pretty

(32:13):
powerful force abilities in thefirst game.
I don't think that was necessary.
So I feel like narratively,they could have found out a
better way to handle some ofthat.
Um, but I'm a sucker for StarWars, so if it's even somewhat
decent I'm gonna love it.
Yeah, so I'm biased for that um, and I also like that.
It was very, uh, souls like,specifically like Sekiro.

(32:34):
Um, it was very peri heavy Iguess the way it was Um, and it
had one of the hardest bossfights Of any game I've ever
played, not even like just likesouls likes, but any game I've
ever played it was uh, ogdoBogdo.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I think that's the name.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Did you fight the two of them?
Yeah, that's the one I'mtalking about.
That is probably the hardestboss fight.
Um, potentially I'd have toreally weigh it, but that's
probably one of the hardest bossfights I've ever played in a
game.
Wow, um, especially on thehardest difficulty, it was a
giant frog.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
What's it called Ogdo , bogdo, ogdo.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Bogdo and like what's hilarious is he's like not even
a main boss, side boss, and soyou fight him once.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
You fight his kid because even that first stuff,
yeah, even that one stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And then there's a secret room you can find when
there's two of them and you'relike uh, uh, uh.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
This ugly bastard Uh yeah, there are ways to cheese
it.
I've looked up online Um solike you can.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Is it totally?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
optional.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, all the hardest bosses in games always are.
They're always optional becauseotherwise they'd Gate off a lot
of their people from beating it.
That's so like millennia.
She's not even yeah she'stotally optional.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
And then they can go crazy with the difficulty,
because that would just be, thatwould stonewall people.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, and then there's this whole challenge.
Runs on like Defeat Ogdo Bogdotwins or dual 80 percent or
whatever.
You know stuff like that, Wow,Uh, so that go back to the other
list.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Is it diff?
Oh, the list.
Sorry, um.
Is it difficult because of themoveset in that game or is it
because, like it's just tough,can't really make your weapon
more powerful?
They?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
double team you a lot Um they're they can take your
health down Um fast, really fast, really fast.
They hop around and they'rebasically like one shot, if you
play in the hardest difficultyand they're hard to and they use
a lot of power attacks and thegame it it gets you so used to
parrying in that game and that alot of their attacks you can't

(34:44):
parry, you have to dodge, and solike it also works against you
in that sense, um, because it'ssort of like, uh, you know it's
like completely flipping the,flipping it on its head, um, but
it's not poorly designed hard.
You know, sometimes bosses arehard just because they're poorly
designed, cheesy, mechanic orsomething Melania's freaking

(35:05):
waterfowl dance.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, well, that's according to you, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
You just don't stagger with.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, you just don't stagger literally the one
percent all Dylan has to do ishit her once, and then it's over
.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
He must have been the most over level Garmaged gamer
ever.
Wow, you know what I read?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I don't even know how on uh, unbelievable the average
level people are when they beatthe game is 150.
I believe what.
Yeah, I was only 105 when Ibeat the game.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
That makes me feel good.
I think I was like 140.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
So you're?
You're just below or just aboveaverage, not just below that's
what my wife?
Says Just below average.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Um, okay, so there's that one above average gamer and
then average performer before Iget to my my final game.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
The other one on here that, uh, I Wanted to talk
about is where is it?
Atomic heart, no, not atomicheart.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Fine, round them Um oh.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Zelda, zelda, zelda is in my top for sure.
Uh, I probably have 60, 65hours in that um which I could
play.
A lot more probably.
But uh, other things came out.
But it's just like as far assandboxes go, it's just like
it's um, incomparable like toother, like it's it's, it's in

(36:32):
the league of its own um, likeevery the freedom bit of like
exploring you do is Rewardinglike in a meaningful way too,
not not like that was my onecomplaint with Hogwarts.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Is that like?

Speaker 1 (36:48):
The whole southern part of the map the rewards were
kind of lame.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I felt like for doing side content or for like doing
like.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I felt like the map also.
There was whole parts of themap that just weren't
interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, the whole southern part.
You do like one quest on thereand you're like you never turn
back.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah but like Zelda, everywhere you go.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
There's something worth it.
Yeah, so there's that one.
I got to say that one, my.
I Can easily put this at numberone.
In fact, I've made a lot ofbold claims on this podcast
before.
Probably at least once a month Isay something really, like
really shocking, but I I canprobably safely say that this

(37:30):
game is Comfortably in my top 10now of probably all games of
all time.
Oh yeah, baldur's Gate 3.
I don't know where I place itin the top 10, but it's in my
top 10 and it's probably, as faras RPGs go, one of the most
memorable and well-written RPGsI've ever played.

(37:51):
It's one of the few games thathave gotten me like this hooked
from the get-go next to only inRecent years.
I mean Elden Ring and cyberpunkare probably the only ones that
were like able to grab me that,get their hooks and me that deep

(38:12):
and then playing through rightnow with my wife, it's just been
an absolute blast, although Iwill say that co-op splits ring
co-op is a little bit more buggythan just playing solo mode.
Really like if you both tryinglevel up at the same time, it
crashes every single time huh.

(38:33):
So, like we know, we're like oh,you level up first and I level
up.
We have to learn our lesson,but other than that, it still
plays.
It plays very well and it alsodoesn't play 60 frames on the
PlayStation 5 when you'replaying in split screen.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh the player.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
It looks like maybe 30.
Yeah yeah, your eyes get usedto it after a while, but like
you don't really notice it until, like you start playing again
by yourself and you're like whoa, this is like I don't know what
it is, but it's what screen?
It just doesn't.
It has a harder time performing.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, interesting.
I would consider that ademanding game.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
I don't think so either, but like must be,
something about it.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, I think it's because of how they, how it
works, like it's basically twogames Running as at once versus
a normal split screen, which islike one instance because, like
right, I mean you can talkbetter about it, kyle, but I
played a little bit of splitscreen and I Could go talk to
somebody.
Meanwhile they could go talk tosomebody else, yeah it'd be a

(39:32):
totally across the map.
And it's like they that metalking to the student didn't
matter to them.
Talking to the other person no.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
But then they have to like.
So your wife?
Would she have to come and talkto the same person you can have
?
Different levels ofrelationship with each character
, so they would have to thenfollow so like, for instance,
lazzell.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
I talked to her a lot and I did her quest and I'm the
one that kind of did everything.
And when she would talk to meshe'd be like she would say I, I
forget exactly what she sayswhen you finally get like maxed
out your relationship with her,but she's much more nicer and
she's like Uh, what is it?
What can I help you with?
You know like that.
And then when my wife goes totalk to her, she's like speak

(40:15):
quickly, like because she doesnot like my wife's character,
but like you can build, so likeit's almost like you're playing.
Like Dylan said, it's um, it'sthe same game, same instance,
but it's um, each your ownexperience.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah and and, so you wouldn't have to repeat what.
Like if Kyle talked to thisperson, his wife wouldn't have
to come back and repeat it.
You can still, if he fails andlike maybe she wants to come
over and try a persuasion checkor something that he couldn't do
, she can do that, but like, ifhe completes the quest with that

(40:50):
person, then it's completed.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
But it's a shared world.
It's a shared world, but youcan still have all the same
dialogue, though, to build arelationship.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Um, it's one of those things you just got to
experience it.
Um, baldur's gate, if you forone, if you like dnd Um and you
want to see it like kind offlawlessly transferred into the
gaming world.
This is the game for you, um,for two.
Uh, as far as like narrative, Idon't think I've ever played a

(41:24):
game that has this many routesand branching paths.
Um, like, maybe ever like it'scrazy it can be, and the the way
you kind of just like simplethings, like I remember I was
blown away the first time Iplayed when there was this, this

(41:46):
door that I needed a key for,and it took me for, like I
looked it up and I was like man,this is the longest like thread
to just try and get this key.
And then I climbed up to thisrock and I was like I wonder if
I could just like jump over it.
And I did.
And I was like, oh my god, youwould never think of that.
Like in any other game, like inElden Ring, if you saw a door

(42:08):
that it said won't open, yourfirst immediate thought is not,
let me see if I can find a wayto just jump around this new
like let me jump Up in thelindel over the lindel, over
like their wall or somethingLike.
So it's just things like that,like it encourages you to think
about it in the way that youwould playing dd, where you Put

(42:29):
yourself into character.
Well, what would I try and doif I was here?
And um, for the most part,they're pretty successful at
that.
So, um, I can't speak highlyenough on that game.
That's definitely what I'mgoing for the year.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I do want to say I forgot because it wasn't up
there.
I don't like to.
I do too Great game.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I really did.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Oh, yeah, I saw you up there I know and uh, really
great game, really great game,loved it.
Um destiny to light fall Shutthe fuck up, we can talk about
how great that was right.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
It wasn't bad.
No, it's just not.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
You're totally like cussing at my as your character
now, like in terms of how youbuild them.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
They've had like two seasons since then.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Though, too, that's like old I know they announced
that they're done with that game, though.
Right, they're done withseasons.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Uh, they're, they're changing their approach, but
they're still.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I think they're playing us to still support it.
There's the final, the trap,the.
The final shape is the lastexpansion that needs to come out
right.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, and I think their approach now is they're
going to release, like,individual content, not in
seasons, but you can definitelytell that their support is going
to start going to lifelinelevels.
So I mean they've got a lot outof this.
I mean it launched in 2017.
I think destiny to did um.
So they, they made a lot ofmoney.

(43:48):
But they've also announcedother projects they're working
on, uh.
They've kind of changed, uhthey're they've shifted their
focus.
I don't know what's really comeof them being bought by sony.
I don't know if anything isgoing to come of that, but you
know, I don't know.
Maybe sony is having them workon something that has been
announced.
Yet they have that new shooterthat just got announced Marathon

(44:11):
that what is called marathonit's.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I know it's like that universe, yeah, so I thought I
definitely built a brand aroundthat universe, so it makes sense
that it's going to be set in it.
I don't know anything aboutmarathon marathon's based on the
marathon universe.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Which was like like pre halo or something.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, bungee's first game.
Oh okay, never mind then.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
I was like they're known for this, this universe.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I was like I thought it was a destiny universe.
I'm like that's a great idea.
Re, get a fresh new face on it.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
It's what they did with Titanfall.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
They're gonna release an embobo apex legends, right
yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
An embobo, I mean it already was Right destiny is
marathon.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
No destiny, greatest embobo of all, one half ass.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I do see hi-fi rush.
That's an honorable mention.
I got on game pass really fungame, a lot of love put into it
and it was just fun to play.
This music base.
The combat's all music based,so it's once you get the like I
would.
I would have to say startingthe game is a little rough
Because it's like different thanany combat.
You can't button mash, you haveto hit the x on the beat and

(45:23):
then you have to do the comboson the beat and then.
But once you get into it andlike you actually get good, they
start playing these songs andyou get hyped.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
You're like I love it .
It's like they got fast tempo.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Any game on this list that you haven't played but
you're interested in.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yes, I System shock.
I thought I was gonna play thatBecause it inspired bio shock
like that's.
That's where it came from andthey did a remake and I never,
never checked it out, neverchecked it out.
I.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
No, I played all the games that I wanted to play.
Not pickman 4 assassin's creedand rosh pickman 4.
No.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Fire, fire emblem engage.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
You know, looking back, that this was a hell of a
year.
2023 was a great year in gaming, besides starfield.
Can you buy a?

Speaker 3 (46:15):
fire emblem in In the us.
Yeah, I almost felt like for,because until the things became
digital, nobody could play afire emblem.
Um, like pre digital era maybebecause they wouldn't sell Uh
physical copies in the unitedstates.
And I remember when smash broslike melee came out and marth

(46:36):
Was like a character.
I remember, like everyone, myage was like, it was like such a
mysterious like who's marth,marth from fire emblem and
everyone was like what, what isfire emblem?
and we, you couldn't.
You had to like it was like preyoutube.
It was like 2001, I think, whenmelee came out, so like you had
to like Read about it onnintendo power yeah, like, wait

(47:01):
for them to do a series on it,yeah, it's so like it was the
weirdest, like most mysteriousseries, and now I think with the
digital age, you could buyanything but I almost thought
about getting into that one.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
But I Read like the reviews and they're like it's
not as good as the past ones.
I'm like, okay, I guess I won't.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Yes, I won't do.
What is it?
Is it like a?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
it's.
It's like if you took personaand you added like a.
From my understanding, youadded like a rts type of system
to it.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I only know about the characters, uh, marth Roy and
Ike, because they were in smashbros interesting thing I know
about them, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
But 2023, I mean that was a banger of a year.
I think we got an 2024 isloading up, I think what do we
have?

Speaker 3 (47:56):
We get in Alden Rings .
We had a lot of, did you?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
see that no steam.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
What do you mean?
So there, was um.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Oh, I gotta look it up now you gotta look it up.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
What are you talking about?
Was there a leak, kind of?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Kind of about Elden.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Ring, elden Ring.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
It's funny about that is that that still beats, that
beat.
It doesn't even match any noteor anything from that game.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
There's no Um, there's no like anything that
even sounds like I just come upwith it one day, one day.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
We got on and you were just.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Elden Ring.
What a goofball.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
For context, he would say that every time we played
Elden Ring he would open up, washe?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
trying to like Make fun of chocolate rain.
I don't think so chocolate rain.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Maybe I don't.
I think you just there's somesubtext in there Just said it.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Maybe there's a puzzle in that hard to say what
you were thinking, you just slowit down and flip it around.
Is that game almost two yearsold now, or what?
The?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
steam version that's of Elden Ring has added a new
DLC package Suggesting that theshadow of the archery DLC could
be coming soon.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Wow, I needed to hear that.
Right, that's good juice rightinto the veins.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
You're welcome, I will be excited till they drop
the first trailer.
I'm not gonna let myself gethyped for something that could
be still a long time.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Evidence, such as updates to the steam files and a
leaked controller releasecontroller.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
What does that mean?
Like an actual physicalcontroller or like a controller
for like the game files?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Who knows who.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Is there a?

Speaker 1 (49:36):
new class that would point to the possibility.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
What if it's a February?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
what if they were like DLC, but it's for VR only?
Oh, VR Elden Ring would beinsane dude first person that'd
be like freak, you know Dude.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I watched.
Uh, there's somebody trying tocomplete a playthrough right now
where every time he dodges inthe game he dodges in life.
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
For what?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Elden Ring.
He's trying to do a wholeplaythrough where he's playing
on a controller, but he has tododge in my life, emotion I
think it's like a pad that helike if he Presses off of it or
something like that, then itsenses the dodge like he has to
physically roll.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Like full on roll.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yes.
So like he's like in thesefights, he's like sweating his
ass off and like tired his mostfit dude ever.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Lobos did a VR playthrough of Dark Souls, and
it was in first person too.
Someone just modded.
Yeah, it's modded, I mean it'sobviously not a great.
It's not an official.
Release but that great, itlooks wild.
Yeah, like that'd be so weirdto play a game like that first
person.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
No, if it's a VR, they definitely would not.
I think they would really wouldnot, really would not.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I think they will bad thought.
It's a bad thought I do youthink, what do you think they're
gonna?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Miyazaki himself called me I want just the.
The fattest, do you have?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
his translator.
Call you too.
Yeah, speaking English.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I know enough Japanese to.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Pass.
I hope that it's like Basicallygame size.
I don't care if you charge mefull price, I want it to be.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I want it to be massive, so shadow of the earth
tree and you think, do we thinkit's gonna be behind the earth
tree?
Because I mean we technicallygo behind it, right Like the
entrance to the dlc.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
It's probably gonna be like in the final boss arena
or something.
If it has to do with the earthtree, it the name shadow of the
earth tree implies that you'regoing back in time, plus they
show what's.
His name is already dead.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Mikaela.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Mikaela.
So I think it's gonna sort of,In a very From software type of
way, illustrate the story of howMikaela died.
Um, it's probably what it'sgonna be.
So you're probably it'sprobably gonna be the same map,
but, um, redesigned because it'sgonna be in the past, is what
it.
Why do you think it's past?
Because Mikaela's dead.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
And they think that's egg thing.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I don't think that.
I know he's in there but Idon't think that's gonna be the
same.
You have to touch it right.
Yeah, you touch his finger andI don't know you probably, you
probably have to touch his handto go into his memories.
That's probably what it is Abehind Mogue.
Yeah, that makes sense, I wouldlove to see a pre-rock Kale it

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or something.
Wouldn't that be cool?
Just like Limgrave allbeautiful, and then like Rodon
but like even more powerfulbecause his mind isn't destroyed
Like, just like that would be.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Rodon was pretty powerful at launch.
Then they nerf the shit out ofhim.
Yeah, I mean like more wise.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I would love to see a full powered Rodon because he
held up the stars.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
He still did.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
If he didn't have to worry about that and if he still
had all his faculties, I thinkthat could be a pretty damn what
if his boss name is pre-nerfRedone?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
That's his name.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Pre-rock.
He was a tough mean, kyle.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah, dylan, I'll never forget the reason we kept
dying is because all the reasonI was gonna say Dylan.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Dylan is because yes, how.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Because I kept wanting to get the final hit and
he kept dying because he hadlike he would, he's like he'd be
one shot and Dylan's like Ineed to get the final hit.
It gets smashed.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I wanted to contribute to the fight.
Kyle was just having me standthere Four times.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Was he really no, just wait here, I'll do this
Four times in a row.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
We died because Dylan wanted it like for a lower
reason.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
But sometimes you also died, and then I'd have to
run in there and try and my best.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I was gonna say I remember you guys struggling for
a long time because of that.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I mean, like it was like 40 minutes, maybe it wasn't
like, it was like hours.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
It was over two nights, wasn't it?
No, we did it one day, not onlyis this a redone fight?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
way harder.
You have the mostnon-trustworthy memory.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
No, I remember taking I don't know if it was 40
minutes I remember it taking youguys quite some time.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
It was a while.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
I remember you were like dude, this fight is way
more ridiculous than it was.
Just solo you got saying that.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
It was because they nerfed it.
I beat him on like my secondtry solo and then with Dylan it
took us at least at least five.
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Redone gave me, gave me some trouble.
I remember I think itdefinitely took me two nights,
not as much as playing it, Idon't think so.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
I don't think it took you two nights.
I remember struggling with him,I feel like we started playing
at the same time.
I beat him on like my secondtry and you like, maybe like 15
minutes before you.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
You guys went to the castle and it was like already
the festival and we still, tothis day, no, no.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
One more, one more, one two,one, two, one two, yes, all
right, so like two, two, three,one two.
Yeah, one two, one, two, onetwo.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
One, two, one.
Good one, two, one, two, one,two, one, two, one two.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I got it to trigger and I went back there and I Kyle
couldn't unlock it.
He didn't have it, and so thenI think he went and did
something, and then he's like oh, I got it, so maybe you were
writing him the whole time I wastrying.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
I think so.
Maybe that's why.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
And then you got to the festival and then we, we did
it after some reason.
I felt like I had a I'meverything frustrated and like I
had got to get come back tothis.
Maybe I came back to it thatnight, but so I was like getting
my ass.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
We were level, like this was this was confirmed by
two different sources.
To summon the redon festival,you have to summon torrent and
sprint past the two giants andHead for the nearest site of
lost grace on nearby hill.
Activate the site and pass thetime to nightfall.
That's what triggers redonfestival.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Huh wait, say that again.
The trip.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
What were we at, though?
After acquiring both halves ofthe dectus medallion, head to
the grand lift of dectuslocation on the in Lernia.
Stand on the raised platformand press the interact button
with the used dectus medallion.
This lift will take you toaltus plateau, summon torrent
and sprint past the two giantsand head for the nearest site of

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lost grace on a nearby hill.
Once summoning that grace, thenyou activate the site to pass
the time to nightfall.
That's what triggers redonfestival.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I don't think so, I I disagree for what I did
according to game I know for afact, I did not have both sides
of the dectus medallion.
I don't think I even went toaltus plateau I think you can
trigger it by talking to egAfter you do the manner.
Well, that's one, and then yougo back to him and he says, hey,
go find blight.

(57:20):
And then if you go down to noxStella, not knock run then you
find his little sign there.
I, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
No, yeah, I really don't know.
My trigger was the witch lady.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I think there's multiple ways.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
There's what it is, the you know the one that gets
the head she becomes a giant oh,yeah, so thank you.
Yeah, yeah, but if you, my,remember my trigger, for it was
talking to her, and then ittriggers.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
So I had a mage playthrough, so that probably
that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
I never talked to her once my whole play through,
though, so there's, there'sgotta be multiple triggers ways.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
This is still like.
We still debate how to do thisis ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
It's gonna be about two years ago, we don't even,
and we have so many hoursbetween the three of us and we
still in these guide websitesand even the wiki.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I'm not even sure it's not like really updated,
like it doesn't make sense.
Post launch from softwaredoesn't care.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I played.
I love that about that.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I played Elden Ring last night.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Did you?
You did, I'm not gonna lie toyou.
I turned it on last night too,just to like I Just kind of, you
know, dicked around for like 20minutes and then I got on.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Actually do anything.
But Austin wanted one help onan open-world boss, and then I
kind of dicked around, that wasit.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Did you do?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
a summon list playthrough.
By the way, it's actuallyimpressive.
Did it feel natural to pick?
It back up, I Stunt.
So he summoned the boss that hewas struggling with.
It was like ready to rage quit.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Summonless playthrough summons in a level
713 your chronic tree sent.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
oh, that was tough I know, that was really so he's
like I fucking, I don't evenwant to deal with this right now
, I just want to fight like realbosses.
I'm like, okay, they're allreal bosses, he's so real and I
just was like, I mean, it nerfsyou hard.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, but I still was like doing my.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I didn't have much help, but I had my damage
Reasonable, did it feel?
Did you feel rusty playing itagain at all, or oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah oh yeah, it's gonna take me.
So here's the thing.
I fucked up, guys, I'm not, I,I'm not gonna.
I remember I went through likenew game plus 10.
Yeah this guy.
I'm not gonna play the DLC thatway, I'm gonna level your
character and I'm gonna do it onbase.
There's no way I'm doing afucking DLC with the horror
stories that you guys will youtypically that there's a hardest

(59:42):
game.
I'm not doing it.
New game plus max.
I'm not do my first timethrough.
There's just no way, because ifit's like Eldenbees I'm not
even exaggerating this Eldenthat Radigan and Eldenbees takes
me like 20 fight.
It's a 25 minute fight.
It takes that long.
And it's literally, it'sridiculous, it's really, it's so

(01:00:04):
.
I hate that fight so much.
It's so long.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
It's so funny because I have a lot of hours in that
game too, but I don't have anycharacters near that level
Because I've played from scratch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah, like five times .
You're an altaholic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I Don't just play the same character over
like what's?
I mean, I just start over.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I think I got to new game plus four Was where I
stopped I think I I might bearound there too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I do remember thinking that my second like new
game plus was likeSignificantly easier than you
game like by a long shot I didyou reach.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I did like new game.
I think I my new game plus fiveor six, maybe even seven.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Thank you or seven was I remember well no, no, I
that definitely on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I think.
I'm on eight right now, oreight or no, I don't know
whatever the max is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
That's what I'm seven is when it stops.
That's the max.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yeah, so I'm on the max one and the I think my new
game plus five then okay.
So if I'm on, if seven is themax and I think my new game plus
five, playthrough was deathless.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I was cool.
That was a good feeling and Iwas.
I think I got it down to like Icould beat the whole game about
an hour and a half.
I just Smashed through it andthen I have.
I had literally have a hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
What's that?
The zipping the block, the?
Oh shit, he's got the sword.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yes, Um I uh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
For no context.
Everyone watching that what thefuck?
I don't know like justlistening.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
They're like how are they talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
It was about a speedrun strat where you had to
time your blocks to a metronome,Metronome Yep and if you're
listening to this on Spotify,it's not gonna make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
This way should come over and watch this on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah this speed?
Yeah, the speedrun doesn't evenmake sense when you watch it.
But the yeah, I did a deathlessrun through.
But my, my lat, my new gameplus eight, or whatever I'm on,
is I have a hundred percenteverything done.
I've done every single sidequest, every single.

(01:02:20):
I've hundred percent of thegame.
To this point I Fought.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I was your favorite side quest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I don't even shit, I spent so long since I played it.
There was this one that wasreally interesting.
It was, um, you know, the guythat gives you half the
medallion.
The albin, eric the albin, or,and he says, find the young lady
or whatever.
Yeah that one was actually kindof fun because it went, took me
to a whole part of the worldthat I'd never Mean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
The giant lady that has her own like fan base on
reddit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Oh really.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Oh yeah, I didn't see that.
What's?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
her name Gamer nerds, just the albin Eric woman.
I forget her name.
No, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Khaleesi, it's something and she's got wily.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Oh Ben see now, johnny, I think it's Nile.
Maybe Nile he Lou right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
The Felly no and the Felly Lou's the main, I know
it's not a daughter of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
It ain't in a Felly Lou but it's the daughter of one
of the bosses.
Yeah we're gonna.
We're looking her up all I knowis gamer nerds.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Latina.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Latina.
Yeah, all I know is gamer nerdslove giant women.
Do they love the somethingabout?
I don't know what?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
it is.
It's just, it's like a easything to sip on, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
So yes, so like you find her church and she's
chilling in it like took me towhole spot of the game I never
really been and I was like, oh,this is kind of refreshing and
fun.
There's also the one where youdo like the grapes, but they're
not grapes or eyeballs.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yeah, yeah with the blind chick.
It's so weird, yeah, and thenshe finds out.
Like a little weird yeah my, Ido like the Felly Lou's because
I like it Full story how shebecomes like Lord of Limgrave.
You know, I just kind of andhow you're given a choice make
her a puppet or not?

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
That's really cool to do like I found this really old
guide that's kind of beenupdated loosely On Elden Ring
and there's so many side questsin this game and it was like the
volcanic manor was.
I had never fully done some ofthose.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Yeah, I remember the first time he did it and you're
like what?
She's a snake.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, we're so like never found that out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
She has a huge fan base to a snake lady and I
didn't like feed her in time,like I've rested, and that she
like died or whatever, but it'snot that big of a deal.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
It's never really that big of a deal.
No, when it had PC, dies WasGorm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
The little halfling dude that follows you around the
golem Bok.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Bok, the one that seems to us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, and you have to like tell him you're beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yeah, beautiful, that's my wife my mom's voice.
What's that my mother yeahotherwise he's dead forever.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah, he goes and friggin tries to Use one of
those.
Resurrection stones the themimic that moved here, the, the,
the respec stone.
Forget what it's called, whereyou take it to your yeah, you
take it to Rinala.
He tries to use one of thoseand he dies if you don't tell

(01:05:28):
him he's beautiful, because he'strying to change his being or
whatever and the dung eaterstoryline that was I always kill
him right away.
I'm like it's not a quest line,but I love the lore of a Vike.
Is that his name?
Oh the the almost the almostElden, elden Lord.
I I do his.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Like my, his first choice, my playthrough.
I do his like storyline and Iwish they would have updated it
Like because they have the wholething with Micola's needle
where you can remove the flame,the frenzied flame, from
yourself yeah, after using it toburn the earth tree, and it's
like I saved you lady.
But she's still mad at you yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Still never you talk to you.
So I did the Ronnie storylinecomplete my first playthrough.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I think everyone's done that one, ronnie's best,
but that's the only ending onthis thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
What so, get this.
I beat the game, right?
Oh, you just didn't even seethe fuck.
I didn't even.
I'm like I just beat.
Elden Peace Interacted with thepodium and that was it yeah.
Didn't click on the thing,didn't even see it.
So I I've redone it and once Ifinished with this I haven't
done.
I killed the fire giant.
I haven't finished this onebecause I don't want to lock

(01:06:40):
myself in case the dlc Is insomething that you get locked
out of.
You know, because, like theworld totally changes after you.
You sit at the grace at firegiant, so kind of just leaving
it at that point.
But uh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
I remember the the gold mask storyline.
We're like the big revealers,or it's like uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Um, it's doing different poses and the guy's
like Stunning on is America.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Oh Wow, this was worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
It was so much work to get that.
You had to find out like allthese obscure spots A special
incantation from his statue.
Yeah, and then you have to likeread a white sign, yeah, and
then you get his like likeloincloth.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Yeah, I'm like, all right, I was.
I mean, that's just fromsoftware quest design, for
there's so many that, becausethey don't hold your hand on
anything, Nothing, there's likethere's no quest logs, they're
just like have fun, get outthere.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Especially how many, like, like billy said, there's
so many points in the game thatlocks you out of stuff.
I know like, and you don't know, you just do it and it's like
oh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Volcano matter.
You get locked out real quick.
There's a bunch of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
You burn the urtri or the city bash.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
You're like, uh, oh, okay, I just doomed this whole
section to fail because IAccidentally spoke to this one
person before I was supposed to.
You know, the one thing that Iwish you could change is that
one blind chick Not the one thateats the shabri-ree grapes, but
the other one that's like umoutside of the fort, um in like

(01:08:21):
south limb grave Uh, her dad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Oh yeah, she dies no matter what.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
There's nothing you do to save her, and her dad is
always like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Because he's in the castle.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah, he's like, and then he he goes all crazy and
you have to kill him later outof the game.
But like I wish there was someway to save her.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
But the only way to save her right is just not to do
it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I think she dies no matter what.
Even if you ignore her, shewill eventually just die and
there's nothing you do aboutthat.
And he's like uh, she needs tonot worry about me, I have a
duty to this castle.
And then you go back and she'slike dead.
And he's like how could I havedone this?
How?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
could I have let it happen?
You left her on the side ofroad in a world that's like,
filled with dudes trying to killeach other, and she's blind.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
And she's like that is purely your fault.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Sir, Can you imagine like there's so many like
fantasy worlds where I'm like,oh man, that'd be so fun to just
visit that world, you know notthe land, between, not the lands
that would be like constantlytrying to survive but then even
when you die, like you, you'renot dead until you get to the

(01:09:28):
tree, like you have to do thispilgrimage as a zombie.
It's just wild stuff, yeah,from software worlds made by an
alien from software.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Worlds are not the type of world that it's fun to
play but not to visit sekiro.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Appreciate, I would go blood board everyone's
turning into the fuck now justhorrible this the haunt but
that's a dream right, so you'refine yeah, well, in real life uh
that probably is not that muchbetter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yeah well, you have to wake up again.
You head chopped off by gearmanin the blood board where could
people find us?

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
they can obviously love.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
This is like uh, this is like uh, this was like a
vintage episode, I know wetalked about elton ring and they
just got sucked into that forlike 30 minutes, so good we
gotta, we gotta mention theclassics like billy milania not
only not is the hardest bossI've ever so I don't even think

(01:10:34):
I'll beat this game I know oneplate one fight and you were
already like that was yourmindset to give context to
anybody who hasn't seen theprevious episode.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
We were, we were going.
We all played through the gametogether.
I was a little bit behind them.
They started around the sametime.
As usual, billy gets to milania, who's like she's a side boss.
We had no clue, though.
This was like game was freshout.
We didn't know there was nonothing out yeah, billy says
that the not only is this thehardest boss, I don't even think

(01:11:09):
I'll beat this game like andwe're like, oh shit, and then
and then come to learn thatthat's a side boss.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
I thought, because the dude says, collect the six
runes, so are the great runes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
So I'm fucking going to find them all and I'm like,
all right, this is last but thisis one of the funniest parts
about that whole thing thatyou're not saying is he said
this with such like, like dramaand such reverence for this boss
, and he had only fought heronce at that point and he had

(01:11:45):
already like resided to thatmindset but to be to be fair to
billy, she beat you so bad thatit crashed your game and you
lost.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
That was multiple hours of progress, ten or twelve
hours, yeah, ten or twelvehours.
She made you her bitch shefucking fired up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
I'll never forget.
I watched the cussing and I'msitting back relaxed.
I'm like, wow, this chick looksgood, she's gonna be tough.
And then she comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
She's like a one stab attack instantly kills me one
shot, and now it's like and then?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
not only this is the hardest boss I've ever fought.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
And then you came to and you're like wait a minute,
it's guy.
Guys, something's wrong,something's not right here.
Oh no, oh no.
I just lost 12 hours ofprogress it reset me to like the
last stab your safe file.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah, she went I remember I was so depressed.
I was like guys, what do I keepplaying like?
I was like god, do we gotta doman?

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
I remember, I understand I remember you told
me it was like it was like fiveminutes of silence where you're
not saying anything, and thenyou dilated like already got off
at this point and you go notkyle, what do I do?
What?
I'm like I don't know.
You keep playing.

(01:13:11):
I mean, it's up to you.
How badly do you want?
And you were like I have toseriously consider if I'm gonna
keep playing though after that.
That's that heartbreaking.
I'm like I'm sorry to hear abit.
We're at work, literally.
I get home and he goes, so I'mback to where I was I'm like
grinding my ass off dude.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I was like it's all good, I got back, we're gonna
save it.
I created like an offline savefile, like in another folder.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
I was like this is never happening again.
That was the thing when eldenring first came out pc.
They had a lot of crashes and alot of save it just wasn't
format.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
I mean, it just wasn't developed for the pc yeah
which, unfortunately, is kindof uh, the status quo, the
status quo for a lot of unlessit's like a lot of these ports a
lot of the ports, just they.
I don't know from software isweird too, in that I love from
software, but they, they dothings for them.
I don't think they've everreally like, like, done, they've

(01:14:13):
like.
They don't really succumb tothe desire look at multiplayer.
They don't.
They don't succumb to thedesires of the masses.
They do what they want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Yeah, and it is what it is do you know what like back
is on uh, on the game, like notescape, it's not like uh what
is?
It q you for quip maybe no it'slike it's back I.
I had to restart my pc becausein the character creation I got

(01:14:42):
stuck and I couldn't figure itout because all originally I
couldn't.
I couldn't even navigate thesettings menu because I could.
I didn't know how to go backit's wild because all the
tooltips were on xboxcontrollers and I'm like I'm
fucking using a keyboard, elsewhat are we talking about here?

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
so I remember when it was so painful you started
playing before dylan and becauseyou know in pc.
Yeah, we launched earlier, likeeight hours early, I don't know
, and I remember using lind youtext us and you were like, uh,
like I just beat my first bossand I was like, damn okay cool,
and I didn't know you weretalking about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Um, and to add context, this was right when he
started it, like within a couple, like 30 minutes, yeah.
So me and kyle's expectation ofthis was holy shit, yeah, billy
beat this first boss, so you he.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
So billy was talking about the tutorial like soldier
of god rick good ol rick, Ithought that you were talking
about the tree set no.
So when you said I beat myfirst boss, I was so fucking
stubborn that I was like ifbilly can fucking do this.
I can't.
And I spent like at least twohours doing nothing but finding

(01:15:55):
tree settle till I beat him andthen come to find out you're
like I haven't even fought thatguy yet.
I was like what, I thought youdied there like first try.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Neither have you found the tutorial.
No right, you guys walk past ityeah I didn't even go down
there even though I don't knowwhat you're talking about.
I fought this soldier, god rickguy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
I was like what the hell, soldier of god rick?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
and it's literally just an mpc like like normal
night, you know yeah so, um, oneof my other favorite memories
from elden ring since, sincewe're reminiscing to bring a
backup old times we talked aboutbefore the episode actually is
there's a boss called fire giantand uh, when billy got his
memories involved me well, no,and then you guys go tell us you

(01:16:38):
know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Please, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Um no, I said they involve me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Yes, yeah, billy comes on on the comms right and
we're all on discord and he'slike guys.
He's like this boss is huge.
He's like this is probably thebiggest boss.
I can't even fit him in myscreen.
Yeah, that's word for word whathe said, so my mind's going
crazy super all my monitors.
Yeah, he, yeah, I can't even fithim in my screen all of that is

(01:17:06):
true, by the way, and you'relike I'm riding up and I'm I'm
basically barely the size of histoe and I'm like whoa, I can't
even lock on there's so much andthen come to find out.
I get to him and he's like 15feet long, yeah here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
I was 15 feet tall.
He's thinking he's gonna findkronos from god of war.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Look, if anybody look up kronos from god of war and
like he holds in the game, heholds kratos and kratos is like
in between his finger and histhumb, that big that I was
expecting that.
I was like, holy shit, this isgonna be crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
And then I was like oh, I still remember your
reaction because you get intothe arena and you were like, so
does he like summon out of theground or something?
And I was like no, you don'tsee him.
And you're like this like redheaded guy, and I was like yeah,
that's him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
And you're like, oh, and you said it just like that
oh, I was like so is this like alittle verte boss that we fight
before this generic enemy?

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
if it was at least the size of that, like that kiln
, you know, then yeah, you'd belike oh shit, I don't think a
boss that size would work in agame like elven ring, though
didn't you fight the skeletonguy in one of the?

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
yeah, but it was kind of gimmicky.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Um, in dark souls 3 because yeah, it's the, it's
that big but you're kind ofreally just fighting the arms it
wasn't like it was more of agimmick boss, it wasn't.
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
And then you fight dragons, like in this in elven
ring, that white dragon inkaolin, and you get 75 000 runes
from yeah, dragons bigger thanthe giant yeah the ancient
dragon in dark souls 2 is huge Iremember yeah, fat thing is
massive.
Um, I remember being bummed outbecause you guys were able to

(01:19:01):
play with each other and Icouldn't it was on pc and I
remember just always beingsaddened by that.
I was like all right, you guys.
Just what are you guys doing?
Nowhere it was like out on theoutside looking at you guys beat
that boss together, oh, we'relike we're a knock trailer right
now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Yeah, running around, so it's nice to be fair, we
didn't like.
We did a few things together,but we were mostly doing the
same thing as you.
We were just on the same chatline doing our own thing yeah,
because on my hand, I think webeat redawn together.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
We beat one of the great spirits, we did the worst
one the deer you know the yeah,um, we did the second version.
I think this the harder one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
The harder one, yeah um, we didn't do like any other
than redawn.
That was like the only likekind of main boss.
We did together and everythingelse was just like I was bored
because I had already done whathe was doing and so I was like,
hey, do you, do you care if Ijoin, kind of thing.
It wasn't like something mean,it wasn't like dylan really

(01:20:05):
needed help, it was just likefirst shits and giggles not
doing it yeah, except on malaniabig bonk boy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
First try will second , second try, second try.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
He phased her to this day to this day, billy is still
pissed about that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
I'm telling you there's probably 10 people in
the world that's done that I.
I will die on that hill.
There's no way.
First fucking week.
That's like not much footage,that's like playing guitar hero
beating through the fire flameswithout ever playing second try
I played uh iron man on expertso I gave through the fire.
Okay, all right?
No, no, no, no no no, no, thisis easy guys one of the big bonk

(01:20:49):
.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
What are the things you have to consider is dylan's
playstyle was perfectly suitedfor a malania perfectly because
if you, if you stunned her,that's it you just mean, and she
does the mini stagger all hehad to do was get one good hit
on her and then she's prettymuch fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yeah, especially I mean they took it.
They nerfed it, which I hate.
The bloodhound step was justher range if, if she did wait
because her stire she wouldrecover but her range, you were
using all that, I'll run it yeah, he could even roll.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Yeah, the bloodhound step, because he was so massive
yeah, I needed that, otherwisemy build didn't function.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
You were heavy rolling in that game, but you
just never.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
He was wielding the great sore to.
He was willing to Great sortlike heavy armor to fucking
heavy armor guts swords, yeah,with heavy armor, like he had
the blood house up otherwiseguys to shove fat fat rolling,
yeah, and your blood on yourbuild.
You couldn't stagger at all.
No, you literally.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Favorite memories really from us playing that
would be that that one rightthere.
Yeah cuz, I remember, just notBelieving.
I remember you were like stilldon't really believe no what?
Yes, not, oh, I mean, I tooklong for me for to say that
sentence.
Then it took him to fuckingbeat the boss.
I do remember you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
You, yeah, you got into phase two and you're like,
yeah, that is pretty tough.
And then you're like I justbeat her and you beat her too,
like you killed each other,right?
Yeah, it just happened in therot, like so he killed her and
then the rot got him, but it ithappened in just the right time
to where it's still counted as a.
What an epic.
Wait, I know, fight like it's,like that's so anime.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Like it's like the Samurais that run past each
other.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yeah, and they're both just they both stand there,
you think they're okay, andthen they both like you must
have died a good little bitafter killing her, because I did
because I didn't have wholetalking thing where it's like
you are Great.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Yeah, and I didn't have any of the, the estus, so
like I was like come on, I waslike hurry up because my health
was going.
I was like hurry up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
My favorite memory was actually not from that, but
we'll all three of us areplaying together and we made
malarnia, and we, we made acharacter.
We called him malarnia and histagline was my name is malarnia
and I've only known defeat.
Yes, that's right, becausewe're trying to speed run it.

(01:23:42):
Melania's was I've never knowndefeat.
Yeah, so we changed it to haveonly known defeat.
He was ugly.
He was the ugliest character,and Dylan and I were like we're
playing Elden.
Drink is what we were playing.
Billy was serious.
He wanted to get this, thisplay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
He had a strategy down, I did.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Dylan and I were drunk in like 30 minutes.
Every time you die, we'resupposed to take a shot.
And On top of like what were wedrinking?
Like it was, it was like vodka.
It was clear alcohol.
Yeah it was, and so like we gotdrunk.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
It was fake alcohol pretty damn quick, it wasn't you
just have a much highertolerance, I know, but I
remember that day and I rememberhow much I drank.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
It was like Kirkland brand like fucker.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Oh, so walked into the game and I was like did you
take your shot, nancy?
Let's get back in here, we'regonna beat this game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
What I remember is every in between the boss.
We beat me, we beat firejoy, Idon't know why?

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Cuz I've always doing the oh, is that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
is that so?
I remember beating redon and Iwas like guys I beat on
controller.
I'm so proud of myself andthese guys refused to let me
have any kind of hype.
All you guys were saying wasyou played controller before.
It was so pissed at that comic.
This is like I've been playingcontroller games in like 15

(01:25:08):
years.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
In that play through.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
I was pretty much useless, like before we even got
to a boss fight.
I like I, I got drunk reallyquick I was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
So yeah, I thought for sure you guys were gonna
carry that cuz about yourcontroller experience.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I was losing on the simplest of things because I
would have my coordination wasgone so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Yeah, billy would be the closer when it came to
bosses.
We'd get there and we'd be likeit would take shots, and then
Billy'd come in, all right.
I'm reading right card We'vegot as far as being fired right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
So we got close.
It wasn't wow.
We made it all the way there.
I still have that save on my Iwas actually just looking at
that the other day Wow, and wehad beaten fire giant.
I was like damn I didn't webeat fire giant?

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
you did, you did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
We were gone by that point.
Yeah, I did my fire.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Kyle was probably asleep fire giant was actually
the boss that you were like,holy shit, I beat fire John.
Was it that one fire giant oncontroller?
We're like cuz I, that's a shit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Wow, we actually made it really fucking far.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Well, you knew the strat.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
We went and got the spear from the volcano manor
plus nine, and then yeah, let'suse that we use that we use the
trap to get you into volcanomanor.
Yeah, that's in the bottom ofLernia.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
I had like everything down.
I had memorized the exact paththat I wanted to take.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
I know and I think, dylan, I came in with different
intentions, completely different.
You're like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
I just want to learn.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
And you're like no, we're beating this game today.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
You guys have to leave in like three hours.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
We got to do we started playing at like 11.
We left at like 5, 30 or 6.
Yeah, so we're under.
So that's fun, that's about asfar as we got.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
That was fun.
God, what a great game.
I want to play the co-op modagain I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Would love to.
I got on steam I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Would love to.
We probably have to do allkinds of shit, no, to get it
playable again.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah, we will have to update the mod again because it
has to run on the currentversion.
But yeah, that game is.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
We.
I mean at this point we'd haveto just start over.
We did co-op because we gotactually pretty far between you
and me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
You're right, cuz Dylan played for 10 minutes like
all right.
Well, I'm bored, so good nightguys, not even having fun.
My computer is potato.
Good night, exactly what I saidis 1060.
Gtx 1060 sucks.
I'm going Ben.
Good night, boys.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Almost any son.
Good night boys, all right guys.
Well, I'm out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Don't wake up.
People find us.
They can find us on YouTube,instagram, spotify, any major
Podcast listening platform thatyou listen to, and then please
come check us out Tuesdays at 7pm, pacific time.
Boom, where we stream onYouTube careful about giving
away now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
They know we're in the Pacific time zone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
I said specific Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
So you gave away.
Yeah, northern or southernhemisphere, you'll never know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
We're streaming out of a town of 12 people in Canada
.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Called Kamaguku.
Yeah, that sounds Canadian.
Yeah, that's big time With 12people, it's we're actually
we're in a shed right now.
We named our own town.
It's called the Katie ratio 12people live here.
We're the mayors.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
That's all of our fans.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
All three of us share the power.
We're the three branches ofpower where it's checks and
balances between us where theLords?

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Kyle would be.
I'm the house, now Kyle's.
He likes to be in the positionof power.
He likes he's the president.
We'll give them that.
I'll be the judge, I'll be theloot, the judicial, and you'll
be the legislative.
You'll be the yeah house andthe Senate.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Now that we've established what pieces of
government we are in our podcast.
In our town of 12 people, wetake serfdom right.
Yes, yes, if you live here, youhave to work for us, unpaid,
and we'll give you a sleepingbag.
It's not.
It's cold all the time.
There's 30 days of night,depending on the time of the

(01:29:29):
year, the crops we grow none,none.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
The land, bad it's just rocks.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Everybody's an indentured servant, so there's
one radio tower.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
You have to hike 12 miles up a very steep hill to
get to.
So if you want to call anyone,all you got to do in Canada?

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Canada's real chilly.
You just set up your own townand you just go right back to
the stone ages.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
However you want.
It was a big bear problem, buthow north are we?

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
We make sacrifices.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
There's 30 days of night we're.
We're as north as you can getwe have a deal with the bears.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
We have a deal with them.
Yeah, they eat a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Yeah, it costs $42.99 for a gallon of milk at the
like store 10 miles from here,because that's how expensive it
is To get stuff shipped in.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
We employ dr Cronin law.
So you know, it's just, I think, between the three of us, we're
, I think we're humble, fair.
Yeah, exactly we.
We have our throne, the othernine people, wives and children,
and that's it and our, ourwives.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah, we share.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Multiple wives.
Yeah, if you come here withyour wife, that's our wife.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
It's our wife.
Hasn't happened much, but whenit does, doesn't it sound like
an amazing place you want tovisit guys.
It's called come a, come agoogoo, come a, come a googoo,
whatever I said.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
I think you changed the name, but that's fine, we're
the kings of it, you should becheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Googoo, she bet.
You changes every so often.
We change.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Yeah, we're very progressive, I would say Victory
is good.
I'm on serfdom.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
That sounds.
It was good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
But it evolved into not.
I think, this is the best partyup there right here.
Elden ring highlights were bestpart for me.
That memory lane.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
You know the work, the best part about the whole
radio tower thing.
I said we actually do getservice but we sap all of it for
this podcast.
So if you live here, that's whyyou have the height.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
That's all my own fact, all the wires in the
entire city route right throughour Table right here, and we can
turn them on and offindividually and we can also
filter.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Yeah, we filter it if someone asked somebody that
lives in our town who are they?
They have to say I am Katieratio.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Yep, I am Katie ratio .

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
This is they can't talk to outside people we're.
Are we moving to Canada?
Are we?

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
starting a cold.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
We'll put a fence around the area.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, I have to be hi.
Yeah, barbed wire to keep outthe mountaineers?
Yes, and electric and electric.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Yes, yes.
And then, when people come andknock him, they have to pass our
test again.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Yep, and then we get in the test.
Is we decided?

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Yeah, we decided that , like every time we do, it's
different.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Oh, we mix it up.
We decided to try again.
Progressive.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
You never know what we're gonna ask of you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
What are your thoughts on a?
I?

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
and what do you get out of return?

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Nothing, absolutely no.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
High taxes and freedom from the US government
following us indentures.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
It is yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
You get a life of service to us.
Doesn't sound great?

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
to the community really to our presence to our
community.
I'll place a sleep every night.
What more can you ask for?
I can't guarantee food They'llhave to build it, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
We don't.
We aren't even near a river.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
So, yeah, the food goes again.
They kind of like it goes us.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
First we gorge and then they get the last closest
water source is five miles fromhere and it's like an old bog.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
In fact, although to it's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
It's because we're really north, so it's like a
frozen over bog.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
What if we don't like what you know the president
saying can we overrule,overthrow?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
No, that's.
We need to stick together.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
We have the only where the we're the car.
We can't cause any drama.
No.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
You can invite friends up if you'd like, but
they're only allowed to visit onFebruary 1st.
I was gonna say they couldn'tleave.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
That too, there's no guess, because one day a year
one day you're February 1st andit's a river about the good John
Galt society.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
You guys ever heard of this?
Yes, it's starting to soundlike.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
And you know what we could do.
We'll all ascend.
We could have them be a liveaudience during the podcast.
No, they need, they need to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
That's part of their civil, that's their part of
their indoctrination yeah, likethat it's, it's your, yeah, it's
your propaganda Out weeklypropaganda exposure but they
can't make any noise.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
No, no, no well, that's, that's the new goal.
Put it on the vision board,we'll get it, you write it down
I won't, don't need to we have anine people that took really
good notes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
We'll be quizzing them later.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
This is just local government, refreshing how it
all works.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
So shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
All right, find us on YouTube, or don't, because that
was trash.
Thanks guys, bye.

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